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• 1.Gtown:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:25 am

  watch it on TV, Dragons…

• 2.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:31 am

  You are both half right.
  It will be a Aus vs Wales final

• 3.rossoneri:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:32 am

  RWC 2011: Expert wants match-fixing probe
  Fri, 10/14/2011 – 07:16 | by Editor

  Sports professor Tim Noakes said Friday that he wants the International Rugby Board (IRB) to prove that the World Cup match between South Africa and Australia was not fixed.

  Noakes said in an interview with the Cape Times newspaper that “he didn’t want to sensationalize anything”, but that South Africans needed to know the truth behind New Zealand referee Bryce Lawrence’s failure to issue a number of penalties in the match last Sunday.

  South Africa dominated the game, but lost 11-9.

  “When science is manipulated to produce a predetermined outcome, it’s called bent science,” said Noakes, who heads the University of Cape Town’s sports science department.

  “Such science is usually directed by large commercial interests. When the outcome of a sporting event is predetermined, we call it match fixing.”

  Noakes said he wasn’t saying there was match-fixing, but that it was up to the IRB “to prove there wasn’t”.

  He said Lawrence’s inability to penalize illegal actions in at least three areas of the game could only be interpreted in one way, “that he (Lawrence) was benefiting personally by ensuring that the Wallabies would win the bent rugby match, the outcome of which was predetermined before the kick-off”.

  One of the actions not penalized was at the breakdown, in which Australian flank David Pocock put his hands in the ruck, which is not allowed. There was also a neck charge and a high tackle which should have led to yellow cards being issued to the Australians.

  “I think an injustice has been done and South Africa as a nation deserves the truth,” Noakes said.

  “There was something wrong with that game. It seems it was predetermined. The question is who is benefiting from it.”

• 4.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:33 am

  Vrede looks like an extra out of a Space Chimps remake

• 5.once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more...:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:33 am

  well, i can say this: one of you will be right and one will be wrong…

• 6.rossoneri:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:34 am

  Ryan’s sunglasses are soooo weird!

• 7.Monty:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

  Man for man the mighty All Blacks are better or at worst equal than the filthy Aussie Wobblies. Maybe and that is a big MAYBE at fly half. But Quade Blooper will not be a threat.

  There will be celebrations on NZ on Monday as we gear up for a Dragon Eating final against the Welsh on the 23rd, while Aussie and France will play the game no one wants to play in.

• 8.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:41 am

  @rossoneri(rossoneri)-3:

  Just this morning, I soke to someon in the know who also claimed that this debacle deserves an investigation.

  Must say, I was quite taken aback that someone would consider rugby to be dirty…. bit thinking about it now, why do we assume that there is no dirty money in rugby if there is such horrible corruption in cricket, cycling, soccer, etc

• 9.JEZ:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:42 am

  @rossoneri(rossoneri)-3:
  Is Tim Noakes seriously expecting a sports organisation to be bound by the same burden of proof that is applied to science? Bear in mind that for years Einsteins theory of relativity was broadly held up as fact but now is seen as only a small part of a bigger picture.
  The IRB dont have to prove anything and nor will they feel any need to.

  Wales v AB final for once I agree with Ryan. By the way why hasn’t Keo given Ryan a Keo.co.za fleece?

• 10.rossoneri:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:43 am

  Well Keo got the prediction right last week, so who knows. I just don’t think the rugby Gods can so cruel to NZ.

• 11.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:44 am

  Tim Noakes alludes to Bryce being corrupted with dirty money.
  This deserves a thread on its own.

  Imagine the civil claims against IRB and Bryce if it proven true!

• 12.rossoneri:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:45 am

  @JEZ(DEE DAH)-9: Jez. I think Noakes is getting too big for his boots. Aside from the fact that I’ve just never liked the guy. Who does he think he is!

• 13.TheTackler:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:47 am

  @rossoneri(rossoneri)-3: Noakes is — as I have steadily maintained — a complete charlatan. And barking mad to boot.

  Match-fixing? Where’s the “science’ in this latest nuttery, Noaksie?

• 14.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:47 am

  @rossoneri(rossoneri)-12:

  He has a point though.

  There are no check and balances in place to make sure rugby is not corrupted.

  It is a team sport, so very difficult corrupting players, but refs must be easy target for bookies.

  Most other sports have had their share of dirty money. Are we being silly for expecting rugby to be cleaner than all other sports?

• 15.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:50 am

  @TheTackler(TheTackler)-13:

  The ‘science’ is clear.
  Analyse any ref and you will see that over time, they consistently blow one way or the other and it becomes possible to ascertain their pparticular interpretation of the rules. Should they then blow a game that is inconsistent with their known pattern in a big way, then you have to investigate…. especially if it benefited only one team to the detriment of another

• 16.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:52 am

  @JEZ(DEE DAH)-9:

  It will be interesting to know whether the IRB has any processes in place to make sure that officials aren’t corrupted.

  I suspect they don’t.

  I can also see how a bookie might be tempted to approach a ref that is already vilified.

• 17.rossoneri:
  14 Oct 2011, 10:56 am

  Noakes must be very careful with his statements. He is not comming accross as scientific, he is comming accross as bitter and emotional.

• 18.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:08 am

  @Helen(Helen)-8: I am with you there on “this debacle deserves an investigation”.

  I personally think the ref was just soft in the head for the QFs. How he could have been picked for a QF after his dismal performance in the Aus vs Ire is a reflection on how poor Paddy O’Brien and his ref selectors/assessors actually are.

  On a more simple level, a question must be asked on why SH refs did not ref the NH side of the QFs and vice versa for the SH side.

  The fact that there are now whispers of match fixing and corruption should spur the IRB into a full investigation of the match, Lawrence and his touch judges. These rumours may grow and taint this World Cup beyond redemption.

  All thats needed is a disgraceful reffing episode like the Aus vs Bok QF and the AB’s vs France to be repeated in the Wales vs France Semi to really cause some mayhem.

  If Joubert gives marginal decisions consistently the way of the AB’s then the die is cast.

  Rolland and Joubert are going to be under a microscope this Weekend. Paddy O Brien and the IRB are to blame.

• 19.toby:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:08 am

  @Helen(Helen)-16: Must have been gut wrenching for you Helen..SA guy at my work still wont look up..

  The Bryce conspiracy shows Bok’s supporter’s can be just as good whingers and sore loser as Kiwis.

• 20.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:10 am

  @toby(toby)-19:

  Toby, where in Aus are you?

• 21.TheTackler:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:13 am

  @rossoneri(rossoneri)-17: He comes across that way because he IS that way. WYSIWYG

• 22.toby:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:14 am

  @Helen(Helen)-20: Huh? why do you want to know that…are you really KEO in disguise?

• 23.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:14 am

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-18:

  Never before have there been even whispers of corruption in rugby.

  The fact that it is a story that has evolved into more than just whispers, warrants action by the IRB.

  Remember, bookies are being squeezed in every other major sport and are regulated and watched closely. I can see why they might target rugby as an easy sport to target.

  If Hansie could fall prey, surely an inferior ref with an already shaky record, would make for easy pickings?

• 24.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:15 am

  @toby(toby)-22:

  Just curious, have plans to move to Aus soon…

• 25.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:16 am

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-18: The IRB should have nothing to hide and if rumours and outcry persist then they should be more than obliging to clear the air.

  A question of Competence vs Corruption is a difficult one, and the outcome either way does not reflect well on a World Cup that has already been tainted by threats of a boycott of 2015 and by unfairness in rest times between matches for different teams.

  This may get very serious. Not good for Rugby.

• 26.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:17 am

  @toby(toby)-19:

  Gut wrenching, yes?

  Deep down inside, I didn’t ever think that we had what it took to go all the way this year. Then when the Boks played close to a perfect game and still lost, I felt a very different kinda depression to the one I had expected

• 27.Caper:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:19 am

  Why is Vrede wearing 3D glasses?

• 28.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:20 am

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-25:

  You commenting on your own posts now? ET will have a field day with his split personality theory!

  I agree, but think that at this level of refereeing, a ref would have to go through the ranks and prove himself to be competent. There is no way that you can ref a world cup qrt final if you are incompetent. Also, incompetence would’ve been better as it would’ve been equally to the detriment of both teams. Sunday was a one sided affair, so incompetence does not come into play.

• 29.>^..^< katman:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:21 am

  @Caper(Caper)-27: Makes keo look taller I guess.

• 30.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:21 am

  @Caper(Caper)-27:

  Him and keo had just come out of a cinema.
  They watch How to train your Dragon in 3D for inspiration before a vid cast.

• 31.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:25 am

  @Helen(Helen)-23: See my post 25.

  What we have here is a question of Competence vs Corruption. Either way, it is a fckup. How Paddy and his band could stuff so badly the selection of refs for the QFs is beyond any reasonable, logical mind.

  - Why did SH refs not ref the NH games and Vice versa
  - How did Lawrence get a QF after a self confessed mess of a game with Aus and Ire.
  - English TV commentators were heard to question the fairness of Rolland in one of his games too.

  But any rugby lover will prefer and forgive incompetence over corruption any day. The IRB may have to investigate before this really gets out of hand.

  This World Cup is rapidly becoming one where it wont be remembered for the rugby but rather for the Refs if the IRB aren’t careful.

• 32.toby:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:26 am

  @Helen(Helen)-26: Yes it was the best game of the year..not because Bok’s lost but the intensity was great…I would be surprised if Saturdays game comes close to it..most likely one team will steam roll the other..very happy that Joubert is ref..hes definitely the best in the world

  If AB’s lose Saturday I won’t feel as bad as previous years..but yeah it sucks

  What makes you think I’m in OZ? just curious

• 33.Brads:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:27 am

  I could just imagine how long Deb Robinson would last in her job or Mike Cron would have lasted the years he did if he had offered up comments like Tim Noakes has.

  I assume there is a serious effort going on by SARU to distance theselves from this embarrassment.

• 34.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:28 am

  @Helen(Helen)-28: Lol. Oh dear. You and me ***** Bells… Or me and me… or you and you… Fark we/I are/am confusing ourselves….

  “Yeah you and me we can ride on a star
  If you stay with me girl, we can rule the world”

  

• 35.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:28 am

  What is the significance of choosing a kite flying ground for their vid cast?
  Hmmmm….. are they trying to tell us something?

• 36.Brads:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:30 am

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-31:
  You are claiming straight up that Lawrence took a bribe?

  Troll

• 37.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:31 am

  @Brads(Brads)-33: Why is it embarrassing? I think Noakes point: “Noakes said he wasn’t saying there was match-fixing, but that it was up to the IRB “to prove there wasn’t” is a legitimate point.

• 38.Hurricane:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:31 am

  So South Africa claimed to been done by the ref and its corruption, yet in 2007 when the ABs lost where we believed we were done by the ref we were told to man up and we wernt good enough.
  Two faced as if you ask me

• 39.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:32 am

  @Brads(Brads)-36: Rubbish. I have not claimed that at all. The trolling is all yours fckface.

• 40.IOU:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:33 am

  Ja, ek glo Morne Steyn was in op die deal! En John Smit ook, maybe Pienk Pietie ook.
  Just one drop goal from Morne Steyn in 80 min, we were told drop goals/penalties win matches/World Cups, Springboks basically camping in the Aus 22, en hy het nie eers 1 keer probeer nie…hmm…
  Springboks had 2 penalties in the Aus 22 and Fatty Smit decided to kick for touch…Tim Noakes is suur, maybe het hy geld op die bokke gehad!

• 41.Hurricane:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:36 am

  @IOU(IOU)-40:
  Hmmm am i getting better at read Afrikaans or and i getting worse at reading english?
  You got me there IOU

• 42.toby:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:41 am

  Does any one else have problems playing KEO’S videos?
  I have latest adobe updates…bloody annoying:(

  Helen It really depends what you like…
  If you like food then definitely Melbourne..but then they have AFL:(
  If you like nightlife and shopping Sydney’s the place
  If you like the beach with small city charm Brisbane is great…

• 43.Dawn:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:42 am

  What’s that thing flying around in the background?

  Reyhan’s spaceship?

• 44.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:44 am

  @Hurricane(Hurricane)-41: Laugh now, but you not going to like it much if your AB’s are crowned World Champs and the rest of the rugby world says “but it was fixed” for the next four years.

  This is not just coming from Saffas either. I have read a couple of Aussie and English articles questioning the legitimacy of reffing before and after the QFs. I will also endeavour to read a few French articles too – I can almost guarantee there will be one.

  If its not corruption then it clearly is incompetence – not just in the actual reffing but more in assessing, directives and assignment of refs to games…

• 45.IOU:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:47 am

  I want to know from Tim Noakes if the last 6 matches against Aus and the last 5 matches against NZ was fixed as well?

• 46.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:50 am

  @Hurricane(Hurricane)-38:

  Hurri, 2007 was one decision, not a consistent, match-long, one sided stuff up with many, many, many decisions going against one team

• 47.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:51 am

  @Dawn(Dawn)-43:

  they were flying kites with that vid cast

• 48.Robzim:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:51 am

  It is not up to the IRB to prove that there was no corruption, it is up to those who are claiming that there is corruption to prove it.

  I guess the next thing that we will hear is that JeandiV took a bribe to throw the forward (bent) pass to Lambie- or maybe Rossouw’s moment of insanity (bent moment) can also be blamed on Bryce—- and so on.

  This whinging is now really becoming pathetic.

• 49.Hurricane:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:53 am

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-44:
  HG i dont really care what everyone thinks.
  Dude i am only having a laugh on here as it seems you especially is trying to find out what really happened and why you lost.
  I will tell you like you told us in 2007, you were not good enough or you would have won.

• 50.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 11:54 am

  @toby(toby)-42:

  It will be Brisbane
  Until a few weeks ago, Perth and Melbourne were on the shortlist though

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