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• 151.IOU:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm

  Helen@86
  As far as I can see/read, I am not accusing any one of anything.
  It is a conspiracy theory…so, please show us proof of RWC match fixing.
  I can show you bad decisions by the Springbok “captain”(2), Morne Steyn, a Jean De Villiers forward pass, and a F du Preez knock on
  that cost the Springboks the match, do you think they were in on the deal??

• 152.Bod:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-134:

  Que tal?

  Agree on the test thing… I must be one of the few that can still sit and watch every ball of each of the 5 days of a test.

  Unfortunately this is the nether regions of Spain, where dial up is still orgasmic..

• 153.rossoneri:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm

  @Big Hit(Big Hit)-146: Big Hit, I am not defending Bryce, just curious. Did you put the boot in on Wayne Barnes too when he farked up the France v Ab’s quarter final in Cardiff in 2007?

• 154.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:47 pm

  Unlike Cricket, it is hard for individual team members in Soccer or Rugby to influence spreads of a game or bettable incidents in game other than the goalkeeper for soccer or the kicker in rugby. However, in both Soccer and Rugby there is one player on the field who can really influence bettable outcomes of a game: The ref.

  Now, in Soccer there have been many reffing corruption scandals. In rugby there are yet to be, to my knowledge. Which begs the question – are refs in rugby of much higher moral fibre than in soccer. If anything, they can have more of an influence on outcomes of games than refs in soccer yet we are all naive enough to think that the unthinkable may not happen in Rugby. Corruption scandals have happened in all major sports from Baseball, NFL, to Soccer. Athletics too. Rugby is now a major sport. And we think it cant happen.

  Noakes has let a big farken cat out of the bag

• 155.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:48 pm

  @Hurricane(Hurricane)-145:

  The whole game is corrupt.
  Corrupt, I tell ya.
  It is rotten from the top down.
  Luis Luyt is still sitting behind the scenes pulling strings and sending out gold watches by DHL from Ballito.
  I don’t have proof, but I have access to a pre-match recorded message from Oregan to Victor saying “the big man is on your side brutha!”
  Who is bigger than Louis??? with tears in my eyes, I ask you!

• 156.Transformation:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:48 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-130: francois lost the bet and disappeat like a doos.

• 157.wooden spoon:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:49 pm

  So let me get this straight:

  1. JPP started to chase down the conversion before O’Connor (“JO”) took a step towards the ball.
  2. JO stood his ground and did not move.
  3. JPP realised that he had commenced his run prematurely and ceased his attempt to charge down the kick (otherwise he would have run up and picked up the ball).
  4. JPP therefore ran past JO towards the half way line to get out of the way of the kick to come.
  5. JO collected himself, then kicked the ball.
  6. JO missed.

  Are you saying that in this instance the ref should have blown his whistle and ordered another, second kick at the posts? [even after JO was afforded the opportunity to collect himself and take the kick when there was no illegal pressure or hindrance in front of him?]

  I haven’t come across this rule before – hopefully someone will be able to clear it up for me.

• 158.Hurricane:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:50 pm

  @rossoneri(rossoneri)-153:
  lol
  BH went out and bought a picture of Barnes and put it on his bedroom ceiling.

• 159.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:50 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-154:

  Bryce’s performance aside, I think you have a valid point.

  As always, your wisdom is exceeded only by your stunning good looks and ability to open a can of tuna with your toes.

• 160.Thucydides:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:50 pm

  @rossoneri(rossoneri)-3:

  “Noakes said he wasn’t saying there was match-fixing, but that it was up to the IRB ‘to prove there wasn’t’.”

  Would be interesting to hear how Noakes thinks one should go about proving a negative. Far as I can see, if Noakes reckons the match was fixed by, say, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then the burden of proof falls on him.

  Or as Tackler puts it: Where’s the “science’ in this latest nuttery, Noaksie?

• 161.Big Hit:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:50 pm

  @rossoneri(rossoneri)-153: only the Kiwis thought WB ‘farked up’, from what I read most rugby fans everywhere are in agreement on Lawrence.

• 162.Hurricane:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:51 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-155:
  lol classic post Helen.

• 163.Schalk is Pote Fouries daughter:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:51 pm

  ..Looks like bias against South Africa runs in the Lawrence family:
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=4302

• 164.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:52 pm

  @Transformation(Transformation)-137: Its not my call. I am commenting on what Noakes seems to say. See my last post and try not be a naive, stupid yarpie.

  @Robzim(Robzim)-150: But its not just “people like me”, as I stated earlier I was questioning the competence of refs long before the Boks lost, and I wasn’t the only one.

  Now wipe the **** from your eyes and stop being a weak, spineless little individual.

• 165.Gunther:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:52 pm

  @Bod(bod)-147:

  chest guard?

  you mean a sports bra?

• 166.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:52 pm

  @Big Hit(Big Hit)-161:

  Big ***, howz it hanging?

• 167.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:54 pm

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-157: Ahem. Thank you Woodman.

  But we there are weak individuals here who are too cowardly to ask questions.

• 168.Hurricane:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:54 pm

  @Big Hit(Big Hit)-161:
  Dont talk cr@p, you know he was out of his league.
  Anyway BH you might be able to these claims of corruption in the IRB and answer this.
  How did the English team get out of blatant cheating on the field and only get a slap on the hand?
  Have some of these guys got a point?
  Its not the first time, remember in 2003 in think England had fielded 16 players against Samoa and got away with it. Does the english get away with cheating yet samaon player get fined big time for wearing a mouth guard.

• 169.>^..^< katman:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:55 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-165: You have no idea how painful the Bod-flop can be.

• 170.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:55 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-164:

  Don’t try to argue with Robzim.
  Eventually your frustration will force you to rip his arm off and beat him to death with the blo ody stump.

• 171.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:56 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-159: Thanks sweetie… I am not too partial to excessive bleeders though

• 172.IOU:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:56 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-154:
  Noakes has no bag, and no cat…he is guessing/speculating and so are you.

• 173.Bod:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:56 pm

  @Gunther(gunther)-165:

  No… I mean chest guard and the comments that keep on floating in about the physical resemblance to Conan

• 174.Sharkie10:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:57 pm

  @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-157: The rule in that instance is quite simple, James O’Conner would have been allowed to take a second attempt, if he requested to do so, the ref does not have to get involved. JO maybe did not know about this or felt he did not need to go for it again.

  Even though JPP charged prematurely and just ran past, and JO had time to recover and line up his kick. He is still allowed to ask for another attempt. He didn’t…so its his own fault.

• 175.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:57 pm

  @Hurricane(Hurricane)-168:

  The Samoans deserve to be punished for wearing mouth guards.
  Real cannibals eat without mouth guards.

• 176.Jeraldjay:
  14 Oct 2011, 12:59 pm

  Match fixing. WOW. Never,

  I remember the moment vividly. It was April 2000.

  The radio DJ broke the news whilst I was driving on the M3 to town…. Indian police have been recording Hansies telephone calls and they have evidence of match fixing.

  No never that impossible not Hansie.

• 177.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-171:

  Speaking of which, I am sitting in a 4 inch thick puddle of period juice.
  Had to put a ‘wet floor’ sign up in the Edgars fittings room

• 178.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-170: It is no argument now. He is just attempting to shut down any questions… Its also convenient because he was one of the falsefks who were convinced the Boks would lose to Aus before the game was played any way.

  He has arbitrarily questioned my intelligence whereas I call his moral fibre into question with reason.

• 179.Big Hit:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm

  @Hurricane(Hurricane)-168: three England players have been fined for not wearing the correct mouthguard, Moody, Tuilagi and Lawes

  The ‘ball-switching’ happened against Romania-B who lost by 50 points, two coaches were banned, what did you want to happen? points docked? big fine? bear in mind they were all official match balls, wtf does it really matter…similarly the 16 men on the field for 15 seconds, come on, grasping at straws.

  Also, Barnes is a world class ref, commonly considered one of the very best even by NZers (of course under the guise that he has improved, but still it is acknowleged, Lawrence is one of the worst.

• 180.Hurricane:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm

  @Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-176:
  You would think these South African would have learnt from that but to throw a RWC QF, i think HG is onto something

• 181.Gunther:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:03 pm

  @Bod(bod)-152:

  Indeed.

  The interweb connection at Estancia Gunther near Figueres is neolithic.

  As the french say, Africa begins at the Pyrenees.

• 182.>^..^< katman:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:03 pm

  @Bod(bod)-173: Conan the Bra-wearer?

• 183.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:05 pm

  @IOU(IOU)-172: Speculating he may be. But he makes some valid points and asks some questions… But he is not the only one.

  I quote an Aussie reporter earlier on in the tournament:

  “For the sake of some clarity on this matter, the IRB created a ruling in RWC 1999 that referees not control matches in World Cup tournaments where the winner of the match is likely to play their next match against the home union of that referee.

  This is a slightly complicated way of wording the ruling but in effect it means that Lawrence should NOT be handling the Australia-South Africa because there is a strong possibility the winner of that match will play the All Blacks who are favoured to beat the Pumas.

  This same ruling should apply to the TMO of the NZ – Argentina match: and to all the assistant referees listed in my article.

  If anyone thinks that many of the critical decisions regarding referee appointments and other rulings (for instance the tap with a feather for England over the Ballgate matter) are not decided on to favour the political/national/rugby interests of the powerful northern hemisphere nations, which have the voting power on the IRB, they do not understand the nature of the IRB beast.”

  Following which, I speculate that you are the dumbck yarpie type Paddy O Brien was talking about “getting” in his email a few years back.

  Naive apologist.

• 184.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:05 pm

  @Hurricane(Hurricane)-180:

  HG is a genius.
  She is prepared to say what needs to be said without fear or favour.

  Why is the thought of corruption in rugby such a preposterous idea?
  People are people, no matter what sport they play.
  Rugby has never had a cloud over it, so it makes sense that the bookies target a ‘soft’ sport with no scrutiny

• 185.Gunther:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:06 pm

  @>^..^< katman(katman)-169:

  Oh dear.

  I am imagining muffin topped shaped indentations up and down rural spain.

  before long the hinterland will resemble a baking tray at Mugg and Bean.

• 186.Hurricane:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:06 pm

  @Big Hit(Big Hit)-179:
  OH thats ok then, it was the Romanian B team, lucky it wasnt the A team.
  They cocahing were not allowed at the games for a week, is that right?
  Isnt that 1 game.
  Cheating should have been banned and sent home, cheating no matter what way you look at it.
  16 men on the field,still you say 15 seconds i say 1 minute does not matter.
  16 men should never be on the field.
  But i with you on the Barnes. He has inproved and really is a top ref. Has his bad ones but not as bad as Brycie

• 187.Hurricane:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:07 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-184:
  She?

• 188.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:07 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-183:

  Hmmmm…

  I doubt whether a ref would throw a game out of patriotism.
  Money, yes, but not patriotism

• 189.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:08 pm

  @Hurricane(Hurricane)-187:

  Huh?

• 190.Big Hit:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:09 pm

  @Hurricane(Hurricane)-186: if we were to send every team home for cheating the ABs would never play another test

• 191.Hurricane:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:09 pm

  @Big Hit(Big Hit)-190:
  lol
  yeah i know you would BH

• 192.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:10 pm

  @Hurricane(Hurricane)-186:

  What’s wrong with 16 players on the field???

  Sunday, we played against 16 players and no-one complained.

• 193.Hurricane:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:10 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-189:
  You said HG was a she

• 194.Hurricane:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:11 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-192:
  lol
  You actually played against 23 players but who is counting

• 195.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:12 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-188: Its another point of view. And also reinforces my point that it is not just sour-grapes from us dumfck “yarpies”.

  I shall trawl the web for some articles questioning refs from reporters/pundits of other nationalities.

  One thing is for sure, this reffing issue is not good for rugby, and it requires just one more reffing debacle in a World Cup filled to the brim of them, to really blow up in the faces of the IRB and the RWC organisers.

• 196.Dawn:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:13 pm

  @Helen(Helen)-189:

  You said … HG was a “she” so Hurricane said … “she”?

  Keep up girl

• 197.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:14 pm

  I used to watch a lot of cricket. All of the SA games, at least
  Since he Hansie debacle I have only watched one game and that was at the stadium.

  If rugby proves to be dirty, I would probably never watch another game.

  Nothing spoils a game more than corruption

• 198.bryce_in_oz:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:14 pm

  @Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-174:

  J’OC has said as much yesterday… if it happened again he would definitely take the kick again… it happened against Russia too…

• 199.Helen:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:14 pm

  @Dawn(Dawn)-196:

  you saying HG is a boy??

• 200.Heavens Game:
  14 Oct 2011, 13:17 pm

  Comments from David Campese, an Aussie:

  “The whole World Cup, it’s been interesting. There were so many forward passes that were let go and all the time no crackdowns – tackling with no shoulders, no arms, and it’s all let go. You’ve just got to play the referee.”
  Campese added there was no consistency in the control of scrums and breakdowns either.
  “You saw some scrums right through the tournament that collapsed once and it’s a penalty, and you saw other games where it’s collapsed three or four times,” he said.
  “You’ve got to realise it’s 800kg of men packing in. The thing is the referees have never packed in a scrum in their life – like me… so sometimes it’s a lottery.
  “That shouldn’t be the case. The referees are there to ref, not for the world to watch the ref.
  “If two countries play, then someone in the middle has got to control it, but the best referee is the one you don’t know who’s reffing.”

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