KeoTV: No more boring Boks
14 Oct 2011
RYAN VREDE says the new Springbok coach will have to change the team’s conservative mindset.
KeoTV: No more boring Boks
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14 Oct 2011, 15:37 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-99: Whatever chump. Back to your shack you go.
14 Oct 2011, 15:38 pm
I think Keo and CO should apply for the Bok job. They have the answers to all our questions.
14 Oct 2011, 15:39 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-96: Australia losing matches does not mean they do NOT score tries, they actually do, they score a sshit load against the Boks last year and against New Zealand this year, now how do you explain that bit?
the Blue Bulls had Wynand Olivier, Jaco Pretorius as a centre combo and finished as the team with the most tries, how did that happen with that kak combo of theirs?
14 Oct 2011, 15:41 pm
@UKSaffa(catchlightuk.com)-100:
Uhm okay. Rugby is big in New Zealand, but I wouldn’t call it any bigger then it is in SA. I’ve lived in both so I have a fair idea.
NZ definitely doesn’t get near filling up any stadiums. They’re lucky to get 3,000 for a Hurricanes game.
No schools that are nearly as talented as Grey College, Paarl Gym, Affies, Paul Roos, Paarl Boys high and so forth…
If anything I’d lean towards rugby being bigger in South Africa. A lot more kids play soccer in NZ then they do rugby.
14 Oct 2011, 15:41 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-103: Bulls scored most of their tries through their forwards.
14 Oct 2011, 15:42 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-101: How many consultants did Jake White use from when he was appointed coach in 2004 to the world cup in 2007? i’ll give you a leg up, it’s more than eddie jones ie 1
14 Oct 2011, 15:44 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-103:
I’ve gotta go with Transie on this.
Having outstanding centres is a bonus. They’re key to scoring tries, but they aren’t the be all and end all.
End of the day you need a balance in the backline that can be achieved without having guys who break the line at will.
You can be a decent attacking centre, or contribute to scoring tries and still look freaking terrible… like Wynand Olivier.
14 Oct 2011, 15:44 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-103: You simply do not understand that they have frailties. But being the idiot that you are you cannot see that, despite the fact that you alluded to it yourself! What an utter chop you are. I suppose Scotland holding out 37 phases does not prove my point? Or how they got thumped in all the encounters I stated? Their poor backline not being able to do the job when space isn’t provided. the fact that you even attempt to argue against this proves exactly how stupid you are!!
14 Oct 2011, 16:14 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-108: more namecalling and not even a smidgeon of well thought out answer
you know alucard, what is strange is you claim to be this rugby KNOW-IT-ALL but cannot even school as “chump”, “utter chop”, “idiot” like me when i’m asking what should be simple enough questions for you hehehe 
how does scotland prove your point?
have you answered any of the questions i have asked you mr vhs handler?
14 Oct 2011, 16:42 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-109: I claim to be a know it all? More lies from a filthy gutter dwelling racist tool. I call you out on your garbage repeatedly, that is all. I made a point on centre play, which is a commonly known fact to anyone who has ever played the game or knows anything about. That there is the problem. You don’t fit into either bracket. You clearly have never played the game and the very little technical input you attempt to muster is so lacking it beggars belief. I have answered all your questions, I have got to great lengths many times to do so. You are simply to stupid to understand anything I say or too proud to acknowledge your errant garbage. You yourself have failed to answer one question I have posed to you for FOUR years. What has Bleater duh Failures done in his own merit? You have been singing his praises for years, now lets hear some answers.
As for name calling, that’s a tad rich coming from you considering that your very first post to me was one where you assumed I was an old school afrikaaner longing for apartheid, that before your racist ramblings on Jake White and more recently Nick Mallett. Catch a clue you filthy wench.
14 Oct 2011, 16:46 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-106: How many coaches has Bleater duh Failures had to reconstruct his entire team? I’ll gice you a leg up… it’s more than 2! Only coach in test history to have this done too
The first black coach a failure. I know it eats you up so badly, hence the outrageous attacks on Jake and Mallett! At least have the guts to call it how it is. Your name is accurate though, I’ll credit that.
14 Oct 2011, 16:46 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-107:
The secret is to have centres that can create space for themselves and others. Space can be worked without having a brilliant linebreaker. SBW is a good example at this, as is BOD, although he can also break the line. If you go back to the B&IL tour, BODS running lines, both on and off the ball, created the space for Roberts.
14 Oct 2011, 16:48 pm
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-107: You will never have a functional backline without quality centres. That much is simple fact. you can have the best half backs or wings in the world and you’ll still be severely blunted. New Zealand pride themselves on their centres, and no surprises, they are consistently the top try scoring side in test rugby. there is so much more detail you are leaving out.
14 Oct 2011, 16:52 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-113: Aussies dont have great centres yet are universally recognized as “the most dangerous backline in rugby”…. Funny that, hey?
14 Oct 2011, 16:54 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-110: hehehehe “old school afrikaner”? you’re embelishing you little story as we go now huh?
where did you answer my question on centres?
i asked you how settled a centre combination are pat mccabe & adam ashley-cooper and you just told me about games australia lose, was that your knowledgeable answer?
did they lose those games because their centre combo is not established?
australia score a lot of tries despite not having what people would call a “settled combo” or “world class” centres, are you desputing this?
and please no insults this time
14 Oct 2011, 16:55 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-114: But despite the Gold and Green anomaly, what Alucard says is true… The secret is in the right combination in the middle.
14 Oct 2011, 16:57 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-111: if it was about the colour of the coach, then i reckon white people wouldn’t have anything to say because there are more white coaches that are as you refer to PdV “failures”, innit?
viljoen, straueli, du plessis, markgraaf
for the record, you claim i “attacked” mallet, what did i say about him and when?
14 Oct 2011, 16:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-116: i asked him about the Bulls, who have Meisiekind & Jaco Pretorius and yet they manage to finish as top try scorers with Herkies and Basson among the top finishers, is that another ‘anomaly’?
14 Oct 2011, 17:00 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-117: But Du Plessis wasn’t a failure, was he? Well, according to some loose screws on Keo anyway – all of Mallet’s success is due to Carel, no…?
14 Oct 2011, 17:01 pm
Ryan – you have little memory or kop for this game – De Villiers tried this (and so have others) in his first year – it was a failure and always will be; Boks were actually the best team at WC – were unlucky and came up against a shocker of a ref -
14 Oct 2011, 17:03 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-118: But Meisiekind and Pretorius are a good combination in the context of the Bulls… They both understand one another and both play better than the sum of their parts when playing together.
Versus say, Meisiekind and Mossie – a true disaster of a combination.
14 Oct 2011, 17:04 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-119: why was he fired?
14 Oct 2011, 17:09 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-122: I don’t know… Maybe it was racism… Maybe someone, somehwere looked at the Du Plessis family tree and found that his great-great grandpappy “hopped the fence” somewhere, somehow and had a love affair not along prescribed melanin boundaries…
Of course it can’t have anything to do with his competence whatsoever…. That is unquestionable. Surely?
14 Oct 2011, 17:23 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-123: what? speak english man…
14 Oct 2011, 17:50 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-123:
Carel Du Plessis being fired have little to do if any of those so called reason you posted etc.
He had a 33% win ratio.
Lost vs B & I Lions in 97′ who were complete underdogs
Made the most perplexing of swlwctions from Russell Bennett,to Danie van Schalkwyk etc
Most of all he wasnt qualified,period. His CV is probably the thinnest in Bok history. He was a romanticized choice..”Prince of wings” as coach,hhmmmm broederbond that sounds pretty good dont it?
He was at best a skills coach/backline coach. He did unearth a lot of fine talents like Montogomery,Snyman,Erasmus,Slapchips etc but he wasnt fit to be a head coach.He is very much in the Wayne Smith mould except without all the Sader success….
14 Oct 2011, 18:24 pm
Centres are are the enforcers of a game plan in rugby. You could almost predict a team’s game plan depending who they pick at centre (and blindside loose-forward).
14 Oct 2011, 19:12 pm
Funny how all the journalists were initially saying that SA should rather stick to traditional strengths and that and that it doesn’t matter if the rugby’s “boring” so long as the result’s right. Now they’re all changing their tune completely, although they’ll doubtless have several excuses ready pretending they aren’t being completely contradictive.
Sadly it’s all rather predictable. Would be nice if some ever had the balls to fess up.
14 Oct 2011, 22:03 pm
Transformation what is your problem snor is the Worst coach EVER to coach the boks he is even worse than straueli and that is bad,he is a rugby idiot and should never have been appointed,even oregan hoskins has admitted that he was a QUOTA appointment,what part of this do you not understand he took Jake White`s world cup winning team and made them go backwards,so please no more defending snor as you are starting to show what kind of IQ level you have.
14 Oct 2011, 22:39 pm
I’ve just watched a replay of the game and it was clear that the main problem was that the Boks stopped thinking and reverted to the power game.
Lawrence is a dreadful referee but his sins affected both sides. The Aussies realised how the land lay and acted with more smarts.
The Boks lost principally because they kept knocking the ball on, passing it forward, kicking it away and generally not respecting possession. They had plenty but at crucial moments they gave it up.
14 Oct 2011, 22:44 pm
@Auntie Mavis(Auntie Mavis)-129: Thats it.. in a nutshell.. fckd it up in other words.. had all the options but couldn’t convert once.. and Burger and FdP main culprits combined.. all that possession.. all those running meters and not even a glimpse of a try even when over the try line they fckd it up wholly… and then they wanna cry to the IRB with a petition of unfair treatise to the sympathetic vote of the peanut gallery media in a swansong of piffle pasty woe is we washed up world is our 836 caps of experience oyster excellence
15 Oct 2011, 00:20 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-40: I reckon we should boycott the next RWC. I’ve watched that game 3 times since then and the more I see of it the more I smell a rat.
15 Oct 2011, 01:35 am
Seemed like no one ever watced the 1st B&ILs Test in 2009 under Bryce Lawrence? no one complained then when He simply handed it on a plate to the Boks
15 Oct 2011, 05:40 am
Playing non-boring rugby tales a lot more than merely gifted runners with good lines.
1) It takes forward domnance.
2) it takes having gifted ball player loosies that are good link men between the forwards and backs.
3) It takes loosies and backs with good handling an passing skills and
4) a flyhalf that varies their game constantly to keep defences guessing in order to make space for running in tries at the next set piece.
We have 1).
I looked at that Aussie game again (first time I could bear to today). I did this to establish what caused a breakdown in our moves and momentum all the time (beside blatantly illegal play at rucks).
I found a few players that were consistently bad and caused breakdowns in our attacks. These were:
1) Schalk Burger
Our main “link” man cannot pass, either passing behind or to nobody in particular, and causes us to lose momentum,.
He also constantly takes the ball into contact usig bad technique, and despite not having any support behind him. In short, he does not thnk at all. He has a lot of energy for tackling, adand crash balling (badly) but that is about it.
2) Jean de Villiers.
A great runner. A useless team man, never looking for support until its too late. Literally blew two tries. One by not looking for Habana on an inside shoulder in what was actually a PLANNED move (so he KNEW Habana would be there). Always wanting to go further hmself after having created a gap, when he should be looking for support and people in more psace than he. People say he is a playmaker. He is NOT. Playmakers create space for others. He is too selfish.
With these two guys being clueless as to how to use and make space for others, our backline is ALWAYS sunk.
15 Oct 2011, 06:00 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-104:
South Africa and Wales are the only true rugby supporting countries in the world. Go to Wales and see how many rugby stadiums there are in Cardiff.
15 Oct 2011, 06:03 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-130:
Chilliboy would have scored.
15 Oct 2011, 20:39 pm
Yea I agree Sjambok.
Burger still has the highest work rate in the team although up to 50% less than Mcaw( on his god day)– Mcaw aint human.
DeVilliers I like him but as you say, does have thoes weaknesses, but sometimes if he is following orders that might be protocol. It is fustrating going back years and years, players failing to get the ball wide when space and winger is begging. Its not just DeVillers its all the backs.- lack vision.
Have you noticed Burger sometimes, he runs forward then turns his back into the opposition. Its laughable at times because a savy player could just stand there with folded arms and just still his foot out and Burger would still eat grit.
He looks like he could add a few stone to his upper torso, looks chestless.
All we need is balance between the backs and forwards. The backs would then put ties away.
But first they need to go play sevens and learn the SIDE STEP. Sweet *****, do we have to spell it out for them! Its so escencial in todays rugby(last few yrs) and we cant seem to put it into our arsenal. This should be taught at school level. But the lighties coming through and the oldies moving on Hougard, Aplon etc will bring this dimension in a little.
under JW era I didnt think we played boring rugby. The Boks should not be blamed, either. Its the politiions who feel racism should live on ( PDV selection) should be blamed.
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