Stage set for Eden Park epic
14 Oct 2011
RYAN VREDE with the assistance of ruckingoodstats.com analyses the strengths and weaknesses of New Zealand and Australia ahead of their World Cup semi-final clash.
Australia undoubtedly come into the match as underdogs, having lost eight of their last 10 Tests against the Blacks, and having not won at this venue in 10 attempts, dating back to 6 September 1986.
They have furiously attempted to deflect the pressure onto the Blacks, claiming that the match is theirs to lose. That is a fallacy. With the hosts shorn of their fulcrum Dan Carter and with the talismanic Richie McCaw’s influence compromised by an injury, the youthful Wallabies will privately be aware that the Blacks are vulnerable in a way they haven’t been in some time.
Graham Henry’s charges, piloted by young Aaron Cruden, carry the weight of expectation that needs to be experienced to be fully comprehended. There is the distinct sense of trepidation among the Kiwis, evident in their media coverage and, more pertinently, in the discussions in their coffee shops and pubs.
A nation is holding its breath. The result will determine which of the anti-depressant or beer markets see a dramatic spike in sales.
Time, possession and territory
New Zealand have bossed possession in the first half in their games at the tournament and dominated territory in both halves. Only South Africa had been better in this regard. Expect them to continue this trend against the Wallabies, who defended desperately and heroically for the bulk of the contest against the Springboks last week.
Both sides rank highly for ball-in-play time, and both have thrived when allowed to play ‘fast’. Ireland built their pool-phase victory on stifling Australia’s ability to do this, while the Blacks haven’t really been tested in this regard. In 2011 New Zealand has lost matches to Australia (Brisbane) and South Africa (Port Elizabeth) when not allowed to play as quickly as they would have liked.
Points
The Blacks and Wallabies are ranked first and second respectively in terms of the average number of tries they’ve scored at the showpiece.
The Wallabies have achieved their try-scoring success playing through an average of 2.9 phases per match and 67 rucks per game (their 2011 average is 84), with New Zealand at 3.1 and 88.
Both have been potent in their opponents’ 22m, the Blacks averaging nine linebreaks in that zone, one more than the visitors. Richie’s Rockets are, however, better equipped to inflict damage from further out, averaging 10 more broken tackles a game between halfway and the opposition’s 22m.
However, in a game that is certain to be tight, the more interestingly study is the accuracy of the goalkickers. Piri Weepu has been an asset, kicking 11/12. Beyond him there is good cover, with Cruden kicking at 79 % (84/106 ) in 2011, and Stephen Donald at 73% (64/88). Wallabies kicker James O’Connor has banked 76% (16 from 21) of his attempts, the most notable of those the penalty that eliminated South Africa in Wellington last week. Cooper is at 50% (4/8) Berrick Barnes 80% (4/5) and Kurtley Beale 0/1.
Defence
The Blacks and Wallabies have missed an average of 11 tackles per World Cup Test, the former missing one tackle in every 7.1 attempts, while the latter is at one in 9.3.
Errors
To underline just how evenly matched these sides are, they have both been excellent at retaining the ball through phases, with both having the among the best records in terms of lost possessions/turnovers per game. With the breakdown set to be a key facet of play, it is interesting to note that neither side has been particularly vulnerable here, the Blacks averaging 1.8 and Wallabies 2.4 turnovers per match.
Given the threat both pose from turnover ball, a single pilfer from the likes of McCaw or David Pocock could be decisive to the outcome. Australia have had better discipline at ruck time, conceding four penalties on average, but how both teams fare here will lean largely on referee Craig Joubert’s management of the breakdown. We’ll discuss the South African shortly.
Set pieces
Testament to their preference to keep the ball alive, neither side sets many lineouts. Indeed they rank among the lowest teams in this regard. At scrum time, the Blacks getting penalised more, on average, on the opposition’s feed.
The ref
Joubert has been excellent to date, displaying none of the pedantic traits of some of his colleagues on the elite panel, and also certainly not of Bryce Lawrence’s laissez faire approach, particularly to managing the breakdown. Statistics reveal that is unlikely to be stricter in one facet of play over another, although he does rank fourth for ruck penalties.
By Ryan Vrede, in Auckland.
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209 Comments
14 Oct 2011, 07:27 am
Thanks for the effort, but I couldn’t care less.
14 Oct 2011, 07:36 am
My “Give a F3ck o Meter” is barely registering when any world cup news or actually, any rugby news, is mentioned.
F*ck rugby until next year sometime.
14 Oct 2011, 07:38 am
B L A C K !
14 Oct 2011, 07:39 am
yeah thanks for NOTHING you f’ng mesmerized bunch of lemming arsehole sheep… following a fat hopeless lardass all the way for 4 whole pathetic years of absolutely sweet fanny f’all bewilderment going absolutely nowhere FAST.. and back again…
All that pathetic unswerving faith in an over the hill lardass pathetic figure of abject Losing mentality.. for WHAT.. to get fck’d out the 1/4′s by a bunch of nancy nookie boys from sheep sheering country … serves you hero worshiping A.holes exactly RIGHT !!!
Dumb fck mesmerized lunatic lardy da delinquents…
14 Oct 2011, 07:45 am
Back in Black !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So sad for the saffas LOL
14 Oct 2011, 07:50 am
this is what happens when sentimentality and candy floss and rah rah farken pom pom girls are ball less and ill prepared to actually run a Professional sports team.
sentimental bloosy weak kneed 3 stooges and now we sit and read about bloody welsh, Frenck, Kiwis and aussies…
I get so befok…..just knew Plod and spies would fark it up….
I wonder what Alberts and Bissy must be thinking!
Just keep those cancerous self seeking glory boys far away from the bok set up in future…..
The last 2 years of bok rugby sickened me to the stomach…,.weak…weak …weak….and all the fools swallowed the s hit hook line and sinker….swayed by everything but the facts that was there for all to see….except the blind worshippers of the fat boys altar!
I am so the farken moer in!
14 Oct 2011, 07:52 am
well good luck…may the best team actually win this time….
but seeing as they have an honest ref that will probably happen.
14 Oct 2011, 07:53 am
LOADS of Bokke Army troops still parading their arctic wear down here at the Viaduct.
Bought tix for the Semis & Final, Ladies ?
*chortle*
14 Oct 2011, 07:55 am
Heavens, some Saffies got out of the wrong side of bed this morning!
14 Oct 2011, 08:04 am
@grant10(grant10)-6:
Grant, you sound upset?
I might be wrong
14 Oct 2011, 08:05 am
“The result will determine which of the anti-depressant or beer markets see a dramatic spike in sales. ”
lol
Chokers!!!!!!!!!
14 Oct 2011, 08:05 am
@corms(corms)-9: my man it is so frustrating when you farken see the kak coming as night follows day and you read absolute bloody morons hanging on to candy floss sentimentality and making excuses for putting our best 2 forwards in the prime of there life on the bench for 2 farken useless sod s who have shown game after game actually how rubbish they actually are!
14 Oct 2011, 08:06 am
enough from me….
Where are those high blood pressure pills!??
14 Oct 2011, 08:07 am
“eden park epic”….oh puuuhleeeaaze….
14 Oct 2011, 08:08 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-8: Without those Saffas those stadium would look rather empty. Be thank full sour puss.
14 Oct 2011, 08:10 am
AB’s to to take it. Pocock will not have his cheating ways. Joubert will be watching.
14 Oct 2011, 08:12 am
look forwardd to “Black Mondayy” when a nationn wakes up from chokingg.
National depressionn!!!!
14 Oct 2011, 08:12 am
foru more yearss”
14 Oct 2011, 08:20 am
I think the chokers tag must be passed on to the team that failed to win with 76% possesion – The Bokkers , i mean chokers
14 Oct 2011, 08:25 am
@stew(stew)-19: Ja sure. Last night on Boots they showed some of Brycie’s f’ups. To be honest is was fking disgusting. He is a joke and I have no doubt that he is sucking on Paddy’s tits. You can have all the possession you want but if the ref fcks you over at crucial points your momentum takes a knock. Chokers tag……? Nah…..that one is reserved for our cricket boytjies.
14 Oct 2011, 08:25 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-17: At least they’d have choked in the semis. The reigning champions choked in the quarters — no Heimlich Brussow manoeuvre. Just a quick early death.
14 Oct 2011, 08:27 am
@grant10(grant10)-12:
Dumbass… the irony is all on you…
You wanted a ‘ball-in-hand’ approach… you got it!
You wanted MS to not stand so deep and give the centres quality ball… you got it like never before!
You wanted no more ‘ skop en jag’ you got it!
The Bok backs have never had so much ball against the Aussies in their history, the Bok pivots have never kicked as little against the Aussies in their history… but wait for…
The Bok’s lost the game in the last 20 when they were too thick to realise they simply could not penetrate the Aussie defence and did not fall back on their strengths and a> attempt to rather maul it over rather than swing it blindly b>attempt more drop-goals c>more tactical kicks for touch (where they were pilfering 30% of Aus ball)…
Ouch… you’re going to have to live with that last 20 minutes!
14 Oct 2011, 08:28 am
If history repeats iteself, it should be a NZ vs Fra final, but I am hoping that we can make history our bi tch this weekend.
Would love to see the Aussies cheating their way into the final only to be rogered by the best remaining team, Wales!
14 Oct 2011, 08:29 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-22:
Bryce, where in Aus are you?
14 Oct 2011, 08:31 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-18:
foru more yearss
Is that Swedish for “I’m touching myself inappropriately.”?
14 Oct 2011, 08:34 am
@Helen(Helen)-10: i am bleeding today more than ever……delayed shock I guess…..but really feeling the pain Helen….
14 Oct 2011, 08:35 am
@HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-20: Same as 2007 but you guys labelled the Abs – as they say if the shoe fits ! LOL
14 Oct 2011, 08:37 am
Boks Fans,
On this site we have continually hear about “KNOCKOUT RUGBY” (always in capitals).
In the last 16 years of KNOCKOUT RUGBY, did the Boks ever beat a team that was ranked top five in the world?
14 Oct 2011, 08:38 am
@Helen(Helen)-23:
History is going to have to be broken if one doesn’t want to see NZ take this…
No team that hasn’t topped there pool has ever won the comp… Fra, Wales and Aus didn’t…
Wales have never beaten NZ, Aus haven’t won at Eden Park since 86′, Fra since 94…
Although in saying that… NZ have never won a RWC and they’ve never beaten Fra nor Aus in a RWC (87 doesn’t count)…
14 Oct 2011, 08:39 am
@HotCam(HotCam)-28: England
14 Oct 2011, 08:40 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-22:
hehehe
yes, we were cheated, but that is f’king funny hahaha
14 Oct 2011, 08:40 am
@Helen(Helen)-24:
Melbourne… though just returned from watching the 1/4′s with my old man in Durban after a long haul through Rodrigues, Madagascar, Mauritius to get there…
14 Oct 2011, 08:41 am
@HotCam(HotCam)-28:
Er Australia, Fra, Eng, NZ!
14 Oct 2011, 08:41 am
@stew(stew)-27: The choker tag is coming long before 2007.
@HotCam(HotCam)-28: The Boks play the teams that get put before them. If the others don’t make, well what can you say. Same goes for us this year 1999 and 2003 and to answer your question. Did you watch the 1995 WC? We klapped the Ozzies, Froggies and the AB’s.
14 Oct 2011, 08:46 am
33. and 34.
Believe it or not I’m not trolling.
In KNOCKOUT RUGBY (your upper case), in the last 16 years (after ’95, I won’t mention food poisoning) have the Boks beaten a team ranked in the top five?
If so when?
14 Oct 2011, 08:48 am
Wow, no love lost here today.
Auckland is fizzing this evening, pity us Bok supporters are without a team
14 Oct 2011, 08:51 am
@HotCam(HotCam)-35:
Yes you are!
England in 2007
14 Oct 2011, 08:53 am
@HotCam(HotCam)-35:
Fra, Aus and NZ in 95
NZ in 99 (for 3rd place)
Eng in 07
14 Oct 2011, 08:53 am
37. Wrong they were ranked 6th.
Ireland were 4th.
14 Oct 2011, 08:55 am
@HotCam(HotCam)-35:
all blacks in 99
14 Oct 2011, 08:55 am
@HotCam(HotCam)-35: Any person/team who can jog on the field with food poisoning deserves a medal but let’s leave it a that.
Too be honest with you I don’t know all the team rankings in RWC but we have beaten England and NZ in 1999. I think OZ is the team that have beaten most top 5 teams in RWC. NZ in the same boat as us.
14 Oct 2011, 08:55 am
@HotCam(HotCam)-35:
england in 99
14 Oct 2011, 08:56 am
@grant10(grant10)-26:
Grant, don’t talk to me about bleeding.
I’m sitting in a puddle myself.
Now trying to make myself a more absorbant tampon with stale rye bread and guava skins.
It’s not pretty, but it will do the job
14 Oct 2011, 08:58 am
Where is Kitch?
Has he been on here since the weekend?
Must be waiting for the emergency services to remove his head from his ar$e
14 Oct 2011, 08:58 am
Thanks Guys,
AB’s in 99 and England in 07.
That’ll do,
Cheers
14 Oct 2011, 08:58 am
@dr dre(dr dre)-2:
Weird!
That meter of yours needs a service. Because the auto response system over ruled it.
14 Oct 2011, 08:59 am
@HotCam(HotCam)-39:
From the IRB website…
IRB World Rankings – 22 October 2007 Position (last week) Member Union Rating Point
1 SOUTH AFRICA 90.81
2 NEW ZEALAND 89.59
3 ARGENTINA 87.42
4 ENGLAND 85.55
5 AUSTRALIA 84.20
So add Argentina to the list please…
14 Oct 2011, 09:00 am
@HotCam(HotCam)-39:
Rubbish… RWC’s count as double points do by the time RSA met Eng in the finals they were ranked number 4 in the world!
AND by the time RSA met ARG in the semi’s ARG were ranked 3rd!
http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/date=2007-11-26/histranking.html
So to answer you question they have beaten 5 teams ranked in the top 5 of the world during the knockout competition!
Here’s a question for you… has NZ ever lost a knockout game against a team ranked outside of the T5?
Has South Africa?
14 Oct 2011, 09:01 am
Interesting that only countries whose names end with a “a” or a “d” have won the world cup.
D – 1987
A – 1991
A – 1995
A – 1999
D – 2003
A – 2007
If this pattern continues is has to be “A” next.
14 Oct 2011, 09:02 am
What is the big fuss about Caster Semenya?
She looks like the avg kiwi chick.
14 Oct 2011, 09:02 am
Pretty fair assessment really.
It could have done without the choker jibe, but we have broad shoulders.
14 Oct 2011, 09:02 am
@Helen(Helen)-44:
StMichel in 2007… Kitchener in 2011… he’ll be back as EltonJohn in 2015…
14 Oct 2011, 09:07 am
another interesting stat.
The French have played in the final every 3rd world cup since inception.
They are due another now.
14 Oct 2011, 09:09 am
@Helen(Helen)-53:
Or they have failed at every attempt and are due another one
14 Oct 2011, 09:11 am
I was watching Boots and All last night and nearly fell of the couch when Pdv said the leaders going forward are Schalk (no surprizes there), and SPIES!!! Spies! Seriously!
14 Oct 2011, 09:14 am
One thing we can see between the two teams is that the Ab bench is far more experienced and better than the Aussies – can see this game being won in the last 20 mins
14 Oct 2011, 09:17 am
This rubbish about historical stats is exactly that, rubbish.
If NZ don’t win the RWC from here, every stat, other than the choker tag will be rewritten.
14 Oct 2011, 09:20 am
@stew(stew)-56:
its simple really.
ab’s should take pocock out of the game dirty, like vickerman did brussow.
and for the walla’s they know mccaw is iffy so just work at his foot.
14 Oct 2011, 09:24 am
@stew(stew)-56:
It will depend on how the early exchanges go.
If Aus get first avantage on the board, then it might well take 60 minutes to climb over them, if at all.
But if NZ start early, it wil be one way traffic.
Early advantage means at least 7 points.
14 Oct 2011, 09:26 am
The kiwis have not been tested yet in this world cup.
If the Aussies score a quick few points, I doubt whether the Blacks can play catch-up and their confidence will be rattled.
Pocock, Samo and Elsom will get the better of the kiwis. They will be quicker to breakdown and slip fewer tackles.
Halfbacks will also belong to the Aussies. Cruden will be targeted and if he stands up to the challenge early in the game, he’ll be ok. If not, he too will have a serious bout of self doubt and revert to a more conservative inside pass game – where the wallabie loosies will prevail.
Backline play has to belong to Aussies. Kiwis only really have Nonu in his best form. Wallabies are a better defensive outfit and will probably even imporve on last week’s performance
The only part of game where the kiwis will dominate is scrum, discipline and goal kicking. Depending on how important these facets are in the game, the result will be decided accordingly
14 Oct 2011, 09:27 am
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-58:
Sad thing is, I actually think you would like that to happen.
14 Oct 2011, 09:28 am
@grant10(grant10)-6: Shut up stuck record …. Smittie was pretty good this world cup and we lost not because of him.
Did he miss the droppies or pass forward etc etc ..
Our gameplan was solid and you have been found out as a fool.
We were FULLY good enough to win the RWC.
14 Oct 2011, 09:29 am
@Brads(Brads)-61:
as opposed to keewis and ozzies…who make it happen…
14 Oct 2011, 09:32 am
@Helen(Helen)-60:
The kiwis have not been tested yet in this world cup.
By tested do you mean having lost a game?
14 Oct 2011, 09:33 am
Craig Joubert could well be the deciding factor. He is the classic home-town ref who will do anything to avoid being booed off the field by the home crowd – as the Stormers/WP found out in the Super 15 and Currie Cup finals last year. The All Blacks will get a penalty at the breakdown every time they ask for one.
14 Oct 2011, 09:34 am
@dr dre(dr dre)-62:
Gotta say, I agree with you.
I hold no grudges against Spies, Smit, Habana or even Divvy.
TThey did everything to win that game and if they had (which they should’ve), we’d be singing the priases of these players today.
14 Oct 2011, 09:35 am
@Brads(Brads)-64:
They have not had one single close game where they’ve had an opportunity to put their “under pressure”-game plan into place.
14 Oct 2011, 09:37 am
Can’t wait for the first Quade vs Richie scuffle.
It will be the stuff of legend.
14 Oct 2011, 09:37 am
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-63:
Who make what happen?
Getting to the semi finals perhaps rather than crashing early?
Help me here!
14 Oct 2011, 09:37 am
@Brads(Brads)-69:
Sorry bud.
We can’t help you.
It seems you were born this way
14 Oct 2011, 09:41 am
So the okes on Reunion reckon that Lawrence was not bad, that Pocock is the greatest thing since sliced bread and we have ourselves to blame and our reaction to Lawrence is way over the top !!!
14 Oct 2011, 09:44 am
@Helen(Helen)-67:
Perhaps that may be due to the fact they are so much better than their opposition to date.
The closest comparison would be Argentina, after all they at least weren’t in NZ’s pool.
Argentina played against Wales and England and the scoring results of those matches tend to point where the respective teams are sitting today.
14 Oct 2011, 09:44 am
@Brads(Brads)-69: Easy, tiger. It’s been 24 years since your lot pulled their one and only triumph in an experimental, invitational tournament that the best team in the world (at the time) was not invited to. Don’t get ahead of yourself here. We’ve done it twice in the last 16 years. Just keep it in your pants until the All Blacks actually have their hands on Bill, ok?
14 Oct 2011, 09:46 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-71: Brilliant. Someone should make a film clip comparing that to their reaction to Wayne Barnes in 2007.
14 Oct 2011, 09:46 am
@Helen(Helen)-70:
So you @justrugby(justrugby)-71:
Yep
14 Oct 2011, 09:48 am
@pierre(pierre)-73:
Pierre, well said.
I’d be nervous if I was a kiwi today.
Played 6
Won 1
17% record in RWC.
Not the kind of record that justifies the arrogance we’re seeing on here from kiwis lately
14 Oct 2011, 09:49 am
@Brads(Brads)-69:
cheating ozzies and ab’s make it happen…the way brussow was repeatedly hit with a fist to the face (k’o punched) and then shoulder charged (from an illegal position) into the ribs intentionally (as you know this took him out of the game) kinda happen….
it was the ozzies this time but the ab’s have also done it before.
you know this…why ask me about it…
14 Oct 2011, 09:49 am
@Brads(Brads)-72: unlike smit not one AB player commented on barnes reffing after the 07 WC.true class.
14 Oct 2011, 09:50 am
‘Fully good enough to win the world cup’ but they didn’t , another load of compromising garbage by these f’ng apologetically befucked apologists.
The World cup was lost when we lost our mojo long before kick off, long before the anthems were sung, the WC was lost when Boks went in lacking belief in a f’ng awesome load of bullshit aura that simply didn’t exist. The WC was LOST when we went in carrying passengers of Smit, Spies, FdP and hero worshiping dumb idiots like Burger who cannot control a ball on the ground in a ruck, Twice handing over possession to opposition once on our tryline once on theirs and both times losing possession and the game.
Had Bismark, Alberts, Louw, Hougaard started the match we would NOT be sitting in this glum I told you so position. Dumb fck apologists that cannot and WON’T see where exactly the sh’t hit the fan are thoroughly deserving of being useless apologetical losers because that’s exactly what they ARE !!
14 Oct 2011, 09:50 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-71: even when they showed nathan sharpe tackling schalk hardly a metre from the line, not realising him and THEN stealing the ball on the deck with bryce crouching down next to the pole to get a good view, stuart barnes said “ag referees miss these things all the time, south africans are just over-reacting”
14 Oct 2011, 09:50 am
@Brads(Brads)-69:
but as helen says…it seems you were born this way….
i’m not a fan of foolish rhetorical musical chairs.
14 Oct 2011, 09:51 am
sorry brads,comment meant for justrugby.
14 Oct 2011, 09:51 am
@pierre(pierre)-73:
Pull back a bit there.
I haven’t pushed the notion that NZ are dead set to win.
Where did you pick that up from?
14 Oct 2011, 09:51 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-71:
Then the Ball Sacks won’t mind if Craig Joubert blows them out of the game?
14 Oct 2011, 09:53 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-80: 03 WC,george smith talking out justin marshall late,cost us the game i believe.
14 Oct 2011, 09:53 am
These twats blaming Johm Smit for our loss remind me of Julius Malema!! “Eet is da white man’s fault thet I em reech!!”! It is apartheid’s fault that grandfathers rape their grandchildren!!! Twats!!!
14 Oct 2011, 09:56 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-80:
I have said it before.
SA were leading. Aus were knackered and had nothing in the tank other than desperation. 8 minutes on the clock and there was only one likely result
cue Roussow to change it.
14 Oct 2011, 09:56 am
@Brads(Brads)-83: Where did I get that from? Well mate, it’s a bit embarrassing to be mocking the deposed champtions for their early exit unless you’re saying that your own team is going to go on and win it, don’t you think? It really makes no difference whether you come second or eighth if you don’t win the tournament.
14 Oct 2011, 09:57 am
@Gunther(gunther)-84: it’s called “leniency” ..
14 Oct 2011, 09:59 am
“champions” – eish, typo.
14 Oct 2011, 10:00 am
@Gunther(gunther)-84:
If the ABs have 75% possession and territory and lose, it wont be the ref that will be hung out to dry by supporters.
14 Oct 2011, 10:01 am
Tim Noakes convinced the quarter final vs Aussie was fixed demanding full inquest into Lawrence lack of refereeing capacity where he simply avoided reffing the breakdown or ruck infringements and high tackles. Noakes reckons its an IRB setup in favor of allowing the hosts an easier semi to negotiate. Noakes wants full IRB inquiry into the saga in order to prove the match weren’t ‘fixed’
14 Oct 2011, 10:03 am
Ryan, if you watch the other games Bryce Lawrence didn’t have a ‘laissez-faire’ approach to the breakdown. I know because I watched England v Argentina where he was all over both sides awarding penalties left, right and centre. He suddenly developed this approach when SA played Australia. I can see why some journalists don’t want to complain but it’s not sour grapes if something corrupt has happened and it’s pretty clear it has.
14 Oct 2011, 10:04 am
@pierre(pierre)-88:
I was not dissing the Bok’s
Track back and read the comment I was responding to, or more correctly the blogger I was responding to.
14 Oct 2011, 10:06 am
@Brads(Brads)-91: @Brads(Brads)-91:
funny its was the ref who was hung out to dry the last time.
14 Oct 2011, 10:07 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-92: That conspiracy theory stuff is rubbish. Lawrence was just feeling sensitive after being accused of bias pre-emptively by the Aussie press all week, and so he over-corrected in the other direction.
14 Oct 2011, 10:08 am
@Brads(Brads)-94: Okay fair enough mate, point taken.
14 Oct 2011, 10:10 am
@pierre(pierre)-96:
Well you are half right with your comment.
14 Oct 2011, 10:10 am
@dermie(dermie)-85:
errrrrrr no, it was a ****** intercept pass thrown by your f/half that cost you the game…have the decency to be honest about facts being facts after the fact…that said facts are plainly and clearly established.
14 Oct 2011, 10:11 am
****** = s h i t t y
14 Oct 2011, 10:14 am
Picture this:
- Kaino on the charge gets to within a metre of the line…. and the ball suddenly, miraculously trickles out, Samo snaffles…Wallabies clear the line by kicking the ball out.
- Cooper makes a break and while passing the ball to Beale in the clear, he is thumped in the tackle. Beale dives over the tryline, scores… The crowd screams “forward” to no avail… Joubert raises his arm – try given.
- Scrum goes down, on the Wallaby 22m, Prrt… Penalty to the Wallabies.
Marginal calls…blind calls… could all go the way of the Wallabies this weekend. Consequently I wonder if AB fans next week will be as coolly reflective as this.
14 Oct 2011, 10:14 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-79:
Shampoo, if Bryce had only blown Pocock once out of the 4 illegal steals (the one under the posts), the score would have been 12 – 11 for the Boks.
If Bryce had blown the others, it could conceivably have been 15 – 11 at least, but possibly 18 -11.
Then, if he had not blown the Boks for the 3 non-infringemnets, we would have had EVEN better territory and who knows what that would’ve led to. Let’s be conservative and say no points came from it.
Then, if Bryce had blown the high tackles and no-arms tackles by the Aussies, I think then the balance would’ve shifted. Again, let’s assume the Boks didn’t take advantage of that. The score remains at 18 – 11
Then, if Bryce had remembered Refereeing 101, he would not have blown the 2 forward passes that were actually Bok tries. Let’s again be conservative and say only one of those tries were allowed. That makes it 25 – 11 at least.
The last penalty against Russouw was clearly not a penalisable offence as he only interfered with the jumer once he’d gotten down from his jump.
Then, if Bryce had decided to be at least an average ref, someone would’ve gotten a yellow card for the treatment of Brussouw. Again, I am being very conservative and say the Boks didn’t take advantage of playing against 14 men, the score would at least have been 25 – 11.
Personally, I would think 33 – 8 is a fairer reflection of what the score line should’ve been if another ref had officiated.
14 Oct 2011, 10:15 am
these twas that refuse to see where the wheels came off in this world cup campaign are no better than a bunch of blind apologetically bewildered bats with their eyes stuck somewhere up their hero worshiping backsides
14 Oct 2011, 10:16 am
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-99:
Unbelievably, you have posted someting I agree with.
14 Oct 2011, 10:20 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-103:
Aparently, I am one of those twasses (sic) who has her eyes in her bum.
Hmmmm…. struggling to get my mind around that insult. It almost sounds like a compliment.
Either way, you are delusional if you believe the Boks deserved to lose on Sunday.
I hope the Aussies win with the same illagal tactics so the kiwis can join us in detesting the yellow jersey
14 Oct 2011, 10:21 am
@Helen(Helen)-102:
33-8???
That is one big assumption.
All we do know is that one team played to the ref, the other didn’t.
14 Oct 2011, 10:22 am
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-99: do you recall said incident,smith,late shoulder not even penalised,marshall had to leave field same as brussow,backline put in disarray,game over.Wannabies get away with cheap shot again.
14 Oct 2011, 10:24 am
@Helen(Helen)-102:
for the kiwis they can only point to one ‘controversial’ pass in 2007.
this was something all together else…and it was digusting…
14 Oct 2011, 10:24 am
@Brads(Brads)-106:
One team played according to the generally accepted rules of Rugby.
The other didn’t
It’s like saying that if a cyclist can find a way of camouflaging the anabolic steriods in his blood, he desrves to win. Where’s the honour in that?
It’s just not cricket.
14 Oct 2011, 10:25 am
@dermie(dermie)-107:
Sorry, the game was lost when Spencer’s pass was picked off by Mortlock.
He ran the length of the field and scored. It was a 14 point play.
14 Oct 2011, 10:25 am
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-108:
This was not a mere oversight as 2007
It was a deliberate and consistent ambush of the better team
I can deal with one or two decisions not going our way, but Sunday was a black day for the game.
14 Oct 2011, 10:30 am
@Brads(Brads)-110: that was after marshall went off and smith wasn’t yellow carded absoulute cheap shot,lined him up and nailed him about 1/2 hour after he’d passed the ball and wasn’t expecting the hit,dogs act.
14 Oct 2011, 10:32 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-103:
shut up.
14 Oct 2011, 10:32 am
@Brads(Brads)-104:
thanks.
it hurts all the more that we can’t even point to one definitively poor piece of play by any single springbok player that then was the momentum shiffting turn of the tide in this game, as was the case in that.
@dermie(dermie)-107:
fair enough if you think that was the crucial point in the turn of tempo.
i however think it was the pass from spencer.
have always liked spencer, i think he was actually a better out and out ‘outrageously’ skilled 10 than carter is. in terms of pure skill to do the incredible from nowhere.
14 Oct 2011, 10:34 am
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-114: he should have grubbered through in hindsight,try butchered.
14 Oct 2011, 10:36 am
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-114:
I have already done that.
Didn’t you watch the the game to get my pointer?
14 Oct 2011, 10:37 am
@dermie(dermie)-107:
didnt he lose a few ribs in that?
14 Oct 2011, 10:41 am
@dermie(dermie)-112:
The infringement was far too late and incidental.
NZ lost that game fair and proper.
I don’t know of anyone who apportions any blame for that defeat to the refs decisions
14 Oct 2011, 10:49 am
@Helen(Helen)-76: Helen I’m very confident…
Donald might be **** against the Bok’s but he has a 6-1 winning margin against the Wobblies..it’s a certainty..haha
14 Oct 2011, 10:49 am
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-117: he was in agony,went to the citing commissoner where eddie moans was there,who called marshall ‘champ’,he had to leave before he punched his head in.
14 Oct 2011, 10:51 am
@toby(toby)-119: who’s fault it wasn’t 7-0?
14 Oct 2011, 10:53 am
The recession was also John Smit’s fault!!
14 Oct 2011, 10:54 am
@Brads(Brads)-118: i know it’s part of the game,but jeez i hate intercepts.even when the ABs score them i shrug my shoulders,i don’t cxheer.
14 Oct 2011, 10:55 am
It was John Smit who conceded that lineout penalty! Not Danie Rossouw!
14 Oct 2011, 10:57 am
It’s John Smit’s fault that Frans Steyn got injured!
14 Oct 2011, 10:57 am
@dermie(dermie)-121: All players have bad day’s even Dan…so 6-1 is still good:)
14 Oct 2011, 10:58 am
John Smit is the reason for the Blackberry blackout!
14 Oct 2011, 10:58 am
@THE MAULER(Boks still my team)(THE MAULER)-124: @THE MAULER(Boks still my team)(THE MAULER)-125: Yip! Everything is John Smit’s fault.
14 Oct 2011, 11:00 am
It’s John Smit who told Bryce to blow like an ***!!
14 Oct 2011, 11:02 am
@toby(toby)-119: I’m glad you are, because I’m a little nervous. I know the blacks will play their socks off in this match, and they owe the Wallabies one, after their defeat in Brisbane. I remember thinking after that game. Let it go boys, it’s not the one that counts this year. The injuries though have caused worries. I just hope they go out on that pitch and play for eachother and Richie get’s his revenge on Quade for the cheap shots he has been getting in on Richie. Go Blacks!
14 Oct 2011, 11:05 am
@toby(toby)-119:
What are you talking about?
Donald only ever played in S14 matches until that disaster in Hong Kong. clearly his brain had not switched over to the fact that winning the game by any margin was good enough.
How hard is that to work out?
A RWC semi final is like that game in Hong Kong. A win is all that is required, not a flamboyant display of attacking or counter attacking rugby.
Donald will be forever be regarded as a total knucklehead. His only redemption could come from playing a blinder as a sub sometime in the semi or final if we get that far.
But I don’t want to go there. To even think Donald could be needed to come off the bench to save the day is too much to absorb.
14 Oct 2011, 11:07 am
@THE MAULER(Boks still my team)(THE MAULER)-124:
Well that is interesting.
How do you come to blame Smit?
14 Oct 2011, 11:08 am
@Brads(Brads)-131: I don’t even want him near the pitch. Just seeing him back in the black jersey is freaking me out.
14 Oct 2011, 11:10 am
@Brads(Brads)-132:
Over reacted – missed the irony
14 Oct 2011, 11:10 am
the recession was not John Smit’s fault but the Boks going out the world cup hanging their heads in disbelief was… amongst couple other things like believing Burger is the chief cook and bottle washer back line general ball carrying go to man.. or that FdP another hopeless palooka washed up hero is the back line general decision making genius.. or that Spies contributes anything worthy of a hard line defense or attack option anywhere in the Bok’s winning culture frame..
This campaign was lost when Boks decided they were going to Compromise by carrying passengers the likes of Smit, Spies and FdP ahead of raring to go front foot do or die game breakers and balls for glory specialists such as Bismark, Alberts and Hougaard.. who had they started on Sunday none of this cry baby bunting referee went bokkie hunting song and dance routine would be beseeching the airwaves..
Boks lost because they were NOT prepared to go for broke and play their best players first.. and went in compromising with 2nd best safety first options thinking the real bust a gut protagonists would come on later and save the show again…
The bottom line of the saga is that Smit was nowhere NEAR to being this awe inspiring captain marvelous that was hung around his neck because if anyone cares to ACTUALLY take a look at HOW he conducted himself as this awesome f’ng nonentity of a losing leader they would see he never led ONCE in all the minutes he played.. not even Bryce the little miserable myce was even halfway taking ANY notice of him.. in short he was reduced to a f’ng sentimentally enshrined totem pole passenger with f’all real value of contribution whatsof’ng ever, and had we bust a gut from kickoff playing our game breaking main ball carriers and clean out specialists like Bismark and Alberts and Hougaard first.. not Smit, Spies and FdP.. we would have WON not a shadow of a doubt surrounding that assessment..
Sport like life has a way of exposing those principles which are founded on shallow empty feeble principles of compromise and platitude .. and picking Smit over Bismark, was specifically the root of the fall out consequence.. the body language even spelled it out… Spies over Alberts and FdP over Hougaard just exacerbated the lost cause.. but the fundamental crux of the problem and the real reason why Boks did not proceed beyond Australia in the quarter final showdown is primarily due to the Compromise of playing Smit as the lost leader of the losing lost laid back cause…
14 Oct 2011, 11:11 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-103: it’s over skop, drop it geez…
smit has retired, it is done…no need to want to change your nic to “vindicated”…
14 Oct 2011, 11:16 am
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-108:
lol , one forward pass?
You really didnt watch the game in 2007 ABs vs France did you.
The 2nd half was full on infringing and hands in rucks and slowing the ball down aginst the ABs. We were on the french line so many times that half yet they defended by playing the ref, as OZ did against the Boks.
Boks were put out by not taking the points on offer as was the the ABs in 2007, easy
14 Oct 2011, 11:16 am
@Brads(Brads)-131: @rossoneri(rossoneri)-133: go BEAVER!
you guys are underestimating beaver and are thrashing him unnecessarily!
he is better than delany, berquist, sopoaga, brett, tony brown, kirkpatrick, robbie robinson, michael hobbs
14 Oct 2011, 11:19 am
Who’s thrashing beavers here.
14 Oct 2011, 11:19 am
14 Oct 2011, 11:23 am
@Brads(Brads)-106: You know that sounds like collusion between ref and players, don’t you? Just saying.
14 Oct 2011, 11:24 am
the team with the less quotas will win!
14 Oct 2011, 11:29 am
I love the smell of beaver in the morning.
14 Oct 2011, 11:31 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-137:
perhaps i’ll watch it again hurricane.
now that i’ve gone through the pain of being robbed i should be better able to see it happen to others. not saying i’m agreeing but will watch it again with an ‘open’ mind.
14 Oct 2011, 11:35 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-141:
No that sounds like intelligence compared to natural instinct.
14 Oct 2011, 11:36 am
@Gunther(gunther)-143:
beavers?
wet and mouldy, no?
is it like gerbils?
14 Oct 2011, 11:39 am
@Helen(Helen)-102: Agreed.
14 Oct 2011, 11:40 am
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-144:
You do that mate.I am sure you will get back to me though
Personally i think the Boks robbed themselves in this one, damn, the game was there, right in your hand, just could not finish it, shame everything is was done so perfectly.
SA with the best kicker in the world, best drop kicker in the world within 40 maters, i too would be damn dissapointed and the feeling of being robbed, honestly,i hear ya mate.
14 Oct 2011, 11:40 am
@Brads(Brads)-145: I don’t think you even know what you meant there. Slow down with the cleverness, rain man.
14 Oct 2011, 11:42 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-92:
Noakes should demand an explanation into why the Boks were so DOFF in the second half they couldn’t even follow Naas Botha’s half-times advice to play the game as the ref is obviously reffing it, up their counter-rucking and cleaning-out as the Aussies were doing…
And further why they simply could not realise that after 250 odd tackles of swinging it wide with no points to show… perhaps they should in the last 20 minutes revert back to their strengths and a>go for the drop b>attempt to maul it over c>kick for touch (where they were pilfering 30% of Wallaby) LO!
Last last 20 minutes lost that game because of exactly all of the above…
But continue to blame Smit, Burger, Lawrence, Beelzebub rather… cause one things for sure… you haven’t the slightest farking clue when it comes to dissecting a game you old tortured soul!
14 Oct 2011, 11:45 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-149:
I knew exactly what I wrote.
As you did with your not so subtle allegation of corruption.
14 Oct 2011, 11:51 am
@Brads(Brads)-151: “One team played to the ref.”
Sounds to me like they had an understanding. Looked that way too.
14 Oct 2011, 12:04 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-150: You dont get it – Oz would of continued cheating and any sniff of the try line for us would of been blown incorrectly by the cheating ref – Even when we scored (twice) the pass’s was incorrectly ruled forward. Hindsight is awesome – There was no way BL would of given us a penalty – the boks should of got a number of penalties – Normally when a side is under the amount of pressure the wobblies were under penalties come. so no need to kick the ball away in a high risk drop goal attempt.
Mauling – ha ha – Oz would of illegally and did collapse any maul that was formed, coming in on the wrong side – high tackles were not even being blown never mind the breakdown. The boks had no reason to change tactics – the tactics were working perfectly.
its like a ref going out in a game of soccer and deciding not to blow offsides for the game. Crazy!!! and anyone who does not acknowledge the threat this kind of decision has to our beautiful game is an idiot. Rules are rules.
14 Oct 2011, 12:25 pm
@Durban Docks(Durban Docks)-153:
No perhaps it’s you that don’t get it pal…
Why not play the ref the same way as the Aussies did after half time when it was obvious how he was going to play it not too mention start clearing-out and counter-rucking the ball players off the paddock as the Aussies did?
Naas said it, Breyton said it, Tony Johnson said it… our entire lounge room in Westville said it!
Was the Bok’s only strategy to negate Pocock to play Brussouw ?
Because it sure as hell wasn’t the Aussie’s solution… there’s was a multiple player ferocious clean-out… and it worked… they took Brussouw right out of the game Juan Smith and Bakkie’s style!
After that the Bok’s had no clue… sommer try and lie over the ball to protect it…
Boks had almost 75% of possession in that second half but could not penetrate the granite defence… did Bryce Lawrence tell them not to at least attempt a few more drops when the pocket was there on several occasions when the Boks were blindly swinging it wide?
Did Bryce Lawrence say to stop kicking for touch when he had already awarded us 30% of Wallabies LO’s?
Nope… but he missed some shocker calls, he didn’t police the break-down for either sides… but how stupid is anyone that has watched any RWC tournament if they think they can leave the game in the hands of a ref… ask NZ in 2007!
I commend the Bok’s for bringing their ‘rather simple’ game-plan B of keeping ball-in-hand and starving the opposition of possession by not kicking it away… but boy… you have to be a right plonker coming into the last 20 minutes to not see that after 250 odd tackles, 75% of possession, all the territory and only one line-break that you’re getting nowhere and should take some points in the 22 through other methods rather than plod from side to side swinging the ball!
NEVER leave a RWC test match in the hands of a ref… adapt or die… and the rest they say is history…
14 Oct 2011, 12:37 pm
@Durban Docks(Durban Docks)-153: yeah, if SA had hit another drop-goal you would’ve put your money on BL awarding Australia another kickable penalty, SA weren’t going to be allowed to win that game. What happened was supposed to happen.
14 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-154: You still talking about the outcome of this game – we lost im over it, yes we should of adapted and started cheating like the Ozzies, sure!!
But im also not convinced that adapting to the ref would of helped the cause – Who knows maybe Morne would of kicked it straight through the poles and BL would of decided it missed (see Wales). We scored two legitimate tries IMHO and both were not even sent upstairs to the 3rd umpire for referral. How??? This game was rigged from the start.
Im ranting about the effect that this Refs actions will have on Rugby in the future. It is now plain as day for anyone with a brain and eyes to see that Refs do influence the game and that there are various refs that are blatantly incompetent and even cheat. Corruption in cricket, boxing, soccer and now obviously rugby it seems.
14 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm
Looks like bias against South Africa runs in the Lawrence family:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=4302
14 Oct 2011, 12:53 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-155: Amen
14 Oct 2011, 13:22 pm
@Schalk is Pote Fouries daughter(richardmarais)-157: All refs hate the boks – im thinking back to the tri-Nations when all the boks could do was get yellow carded in the first 5mins of every game. Someone put out a stat that the Kiwis have never got a yellow card playing the Boks??? Incredible??? .
There is bias towards us and for me its like closure because before there was still room for doubt – now im convinced of it.
Im also very proud of our boys for not resorting to cheating to win the game and still trying to play within the laws. Some people call them doff??
but i watched a magnificent display of dominance, against all odds, by some of the greatest rugby players (and gentlemen) we will ever be blessed to see gracing our rugby fields. Its like asking a great like Allan Donald to pick the seam of the cricket ball in his last match to make sure of a victory on a flat pitch or something with the ref not giving any LBWs etc
14 Oct 2011, 13:43 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-155:
What a load of shite.
14 Oct 2011, 13:44 pm
oh gents, take off your Green Goggles. Have a sit down with a complete neutral supporter and watch the tri-nations/WC games again. And not just the last one – all of them. You’ll be pleasantly surprised how many times the Boks should be blown up, and don’t get blown up. And after looking at replays again you’ll get to debate where the Boks were blown up and if they really deserved it – and of course where the other team is adjudged to get away with murder.
But get real – there is no conspiracy. Nobody hates the Boks and intentionally goes out to blow against them. Sure, the quality of reffing in the S15, tri-nations, and WC has been shocking and needs to be addressed by the IRB – but now match fixing because the Boks lost? For 4 years the AB’s got told by Bok supporters to suck it up and move on, bad refereeing decisions happen. Where those supporters now?
14 Oct 2011, 13:45 pm
@Durban Docks(Durban Docks)-159:
yer you paranoid c lown we are all out to get you because if we weren’t you’d win everything lol
14 Oct 2011, 13:49 pm
Richie7
make an appointment to see Dr Nils Crane, now.
It worked for me.
14 Oct 2011, 13:53 pm
Sweet melody of whinge. Day 6.
14 Oct 2011, 13:54 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-163: Who’s Crane?
14 Oct 2011, 13:56 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-162: surprised you can still type with your head buried so deep in the sand.
What do you make of the stat that the mighty all blacks – including the mighty Maccaw (who never cheats!! ) never getting a yellow card against the BOks?
14 Oct 2011, 14:02 pm
Ok im done, i can feel my blood pressure rising – i take my comment about all refs hating the Boks back.
14 Oct 2011, 14:04 pm
@Durban Docks(Durban Docks)-166:
and Lomu never scored against the Bokke, if you had a backline that could score tries you’d be taking part this weekend and the ref would have been a star, the scoreboard says you weren’t good enough you’ll just have to live with that
14 Oct 2011, 14:04 pm
@Durban Docks(Durban Docks)-166: try playing to the rules,then you won’t get yellow carded!
14 Oct 2011, 14:13 pm
Rugby fans who never logged on to Keo would actually just assume this was a spoof article.
Unfortunately not.
“‘Bent’ science cost Boks
Cape Town – Just as the dust started to settle on the unsuccessful defence by the Springboks of their Rugby World Cup title, respected sports science guru, Professor Tim Noakes has dropped another bombshell.
In a letter addressed to the Cape Times, Noakes suggested that the result of the World Cup quarter-final between South Africa and Australia was predetermined as a result of what he called ‘bent’ science.
“When science is manipulated to produce a predetermined outcome, it’s called ‘bent’ science. Such science is usually directed by large commercial interest. When the outcome of a sporting event is predetermined, we call it ‘match-fixing,’ Noakes wrote in the letter.
“I am not saying that there was match-fixing, I am saying that the IRB must prove there wasn’t,” Noakes added.
Noakes lamented that South Africans have been unjustly robbed of their World Cup crown and based on the evidence of the match, he does not have a doubt that referee, Bryce Lawrence was benefitting from the outcome of the match.
“Referee (Bryce) Lawrence’s selective inability to apply to the illegal actions of one team, the accepted rugby laws in at least three areas of the game can unfortunately be interpreted in only one way – that he was benefitting from it personally by ensuring that the Wallabies would win this ‘bent’ game,” Noakes added.
“I think an injustice has been done and South Africa as a nation deserves the truth.”
Noakes went onto say that match fixing should not be ruled out as a possibility in rugby as it is already prevalent in cricket as well as football.
“The tragedy of this travesty is that it has undermined the legitimacy of the 2011 Rugby World Cup and has done severe damage to the credibility of the IRB. But worse, it has also robbed the South African rugby team of their legitimate chance for immortality by winning back-to-back RWC’s.”
get this trash out of my country.
14 Oct 2011, 14:14 pm
@dermie(dermie)-169: Whatever – tell that to PoDick …..and Maccaw. Rules – ha ha – there is a funny one!!!
14 Oct 2011, 14:19 pm
@Durban Docks(Durban Docks)-171: thought you’d like it.
14 Oct 2011, 14:25 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-170: http://www.hayibo.com/match-fixing-accuser-noakes-to-use-more-medieval-logic-to-prove-that-all-blacks-are-witches/
And fitting picture.
14 Oct 2011, 14:34 pm
@Nils(Nils)-173:
it wasn’t the all blacks who cheated us but it was a kiwi.
14 Oct 2011, 14:45 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-154:
we didn’t leave the game in his hands…he ffucking took it into his hands and ffucked us. he ffucked us because thats the only way you people can break the boks…low and dirty…look the other way, pat on the back from the kissing cousins…
14 Oct 2011, 14:50 pm
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-174: whatever mate. Without going too deep into that matter all I can say is follow the same advice your compatriots has given us so richly last 4 years.
14 Oct 2011, 14:58 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-170: That’s not half as bad as that dastardly ref who wouldn’t let Richie score his try half way up the post’s padding. I mean, he’s Richie McBloodyCaw and he’s an All Black with 100 tests behind him. He should be allowed to ground the ball in mid air if he so chooses. The Outrage of it!
14 Oct 2011, 15:04 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-177:
-wibble-
14 Oct 2011, 15:22 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-178: I notice El Panto Ne-gro disappears every time I mention this amusing anecdote. This is most disappointing as I would very much like to chat to him about some other “grounding” laws that need clearing up.
Like, when is it permissible to ground the ball against the touch judge?
And, should you ground the ball on the 22 my mistake, but you’re the All Blacks playing at home, should it be referred upstairs?
And finally, with grounding decisions, when will we see the introduction of the amendment that allows refs overrule the TMO based on the word of two or more All Blacks?
All very pertinent questions, I’m sure you agree.
14 Oct 2011, 15:46 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-179:
seems like a well-grounded argument.
14 Oct 2011, 15:51 pm
@Nils(Nils)-176:
well its just 4 years for us, i accept…best hope its not another 4 more for your lot.
14 Oct 2011, 15:59 pm
@Durban Docks(Durban Docks)-153: One of the major roles of a fetcher flank is to (strictly speaking) cheat. Brussow, McCaw and Pocock they all do it. When our own player gets away with it he is brilliant when the other teams players gets away with it he is a cheat. The ref was poor no doubt but we lost because we could not convert every stat that was in our favour into points. The way we are now whinging as a nation certainly does us a disservice. If there is a suspicion of actual cheating by officials then it is up to our rugby board to do something about it. I maintain that the ref in 2007 in the All Blacks game against France was poor but he never cost them the game the All Blacks performance did. Same with us against the Wallabies.
14 Oct 2011, 15:59 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-170:
At least now finally for the first time since 2007… your guys can finally hand over the mantle of being the ‘biggest ref whingers’ over to our guys…
@Gunther(gunther)-180: \
Katman’s been known for posting with both feet firmly on the ground…
14 Oct 2011, 16:24 pm
@Durban Docks(Durban Docks)-153:
No mate read my post again… you still do not get it… where do I suggest cheating?
The Bok’s lost because:
>Their only plan to neutralise Pocock was to play Brussouw… pathetic really (was G10 coaching them)
>They failed to read and adapt to the ref’s interpretation of the breakdown (a big no-no in test rugby)
>They failed to clean-out and counter-ruck as a unit at the break-down (as the Aussies did to negate Brussouw)
>In the final 20mins after relentless attacking against relentless defence, with all the possession and not making any lee-way… failed to switch game-plan B back to game-plan A and take some points via drop-goal on several opportunities.
>Failed to go for touch, but continued swing the ball mindlessly despite stealing 30% of the Wallabies LO ball.
Perhaps they were flustered, perhaps it was due to having no captain on the field, but that my friend is why the Bok’s lost…
Never leave a game in the ref’s hands…
14 Oct 2011, 16:32 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-179:
Panther grinds his ball against anything that moves.
Hence he’s always BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Oh Oh @@@@@@@@@@@@@’ng here.
14 Oct 2011, 16:35 pm
@once more just take a break on the beach, dear springboks, once more…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-181: No probs mate, time runs fast and the older you are, the faster it goes.
14 Oct 2011, 16:35 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-185: yes, yes , no no no yes yes YES
14 Oct 2011, 16:44 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-170:
Extraball is guilty of “bent science”
14 Oct 2011, 16:45 pm
Boks lost the quarter final because of compromised sentimentality and that is IT
people that discount the amount of ingrained psychological dysfunction of a team because it is carrying certain passengers are still more deluded than they are willing to accept..
Boks lost primarily because they were CARRYING John Smit who has NOT beaten Australia under his leadership ONCE in 2 whole years of trying
You cannot expect a team in spite of ALL the overwhelming so called indestructible spirit to do the necessary when they themselves being led by a non contributing and defunct captain who himself has scant belief that he is capable any longer do what is required to take the game by the scruff of the neck and drive it home to put the game beyond doubt…
Boks lost as a result of inherent compromise.. and lack of the instinct to take the game in their hands and force a win.. in other words they let it get taken from them in spite of their dominance.. and that is primarily a direct result of having been led by a captain who has become an outright LOSER in the past two years where he has FAILED to win any head to head contest against ANY top tier competitive team…
That is why Boks lost..
john Smit culprit No. 1 and following on to this was a coaching melt down where Schalk burger became the go to ball carrying prime mover in the midfield shuffling between breakdown to breakdown but NEVER breaching the advantage line and costing Boks the early try when turned over on his own try line…
FdP is culprit No. 3 along with his cadenza in arms Pierre Spies…
14 Oct 2011, 17:06 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-189:
Shut up fuckadilly
We all heard you the first time.
Fukkoff soemwhere else with your babytalk.
14 Oct 2011, 17:54 pm
” “When science is manipulated to produce a predetermined outcome, it’s called ‘bent’ science. Such science is usually directed by large commercial interest.”
Poor old Timmy! Is he really merely looking for much needed research funds and/or subjects for his research again?
There are the rugby rules and then there is the application of those rules. It is all on paper and a case of being in black and white. No ‘science’ there to be “bent”.
Or is he really cryptically referring to the ‘juices’ usually supplied ” by large commercial interest ” not having the super intended effects that they were supposed to have had and thus gave the “bent science”?
Timmy stick to the exercise physiology as you were never good at any sports even the marathon running where you were just mediocre.
Sports injuries and problems like McCardle’s disease is where you are in your element.
14 Oct 2011, 18:07 pm
Only one real question for the Aussies. The answer which will unfortunately be bad news for the OZ.
Will they be able to adapt to a game refereed within the rules.
I think not.
Which will kcuf them up totally.
NZ by 14.
14 Oct 2011, 18:52 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-190:
No you dumb moronic ignoramus imbecile you never heard me the first time because you STILL looking for all manner of reasons and suppositions as to how the fck Boks with all their 836 caps of experience led by this f’ng has been hopeless self seeking palooka could POSSIBLY still lose to Arsetralia after the systematically destroyed them in every phase of every play.. Except where it counted … On the SCORE BOARD!!
And that you can put down to ONE fundamentally flawed psychological reason.. They were NOT primed or motivated sufficiently to do so.. The lack of belief was palpable even before the kick off or the tossing of the coin.. That dubious defunct dysfunctional has been of a useless leader had LONG SINCE given up the ghost of what real leadership actually entailed… Which is to LEAD FROM THE FRONT, not the bloody REAR. !!
Smit lost the WC, it was not some cruel twist of fate or some conspiracy of refereeing match fixings conspiring to destroy the Springbok heritage on the WC stage.. Had John Smit put his team above himself and done the honorable thing some time ago, Boks would have beaten Wales handsomely first game up and whipped Aussie in the quarters, and that in spite of other has been hero’s such as FdP and Spies looking inward and performing at half mast and in spite of Burger being told he was the new carry ball king who should carry every ball into no man’s land no matter what, even right in front of his own posts.
Even in spite of all those discrepancies in reasonable coaching principles, had Smit not usurped Bismarks starting berth, Boks would have won.. Without a glimmer of a shadow of a doubt..
Smitty apologetics and conservative cowardly compromises and pre patterned powerless principles of entitlement and glory seeking prestige is ACTUALLY what fckd Boks out the WC… And NOTHING else but that !!
14 Oct 2011, 19:58 pm
Yip I keep saying it’s all John Smit’s fault!!! Even when he is injured or off the field!! Next year when we lose again it will all be blamed on Smit!! Even PDV’s kak coaching is Smit’s fault!! All PDV’s funny interviews were John Smit’s fault!!
14 Oct 2011, 20:36 pm
its you pathetic Smittykins arsecreeps that are precisely what is fundamentally wrong with SA rugby
in any other country when the player is kaput he is kaput.. and out the way so that the team can flourish and progress.
here we do the opposite.. we first compromise the situation by playing the schmuck at tight head to accommodate this awe inspiring f’ng dead beat leadership… then we play him at loose head when tight head proves to be a liability… to accommodate this awe inspiring fckd up leadership… then when that don’t work we take OFF the best hooker on the planet.. to accommodate this pathetic awe inspiring dumb fck leadership, that ONLY LOSES EVERY g’dam time it leads the team onto the field.. like it LOST again on Sunday.. like it LOST almost EVERY time it led the team in recent memory…!!!
Pathetic hero worshiping IDIOT’s that are satisfied with LOSING.. for the sake of their totem pole fckd up pathetic leader who cannot lead a snowball out of an igloo in Lapland … such is the state of their screwball hero worshiping… LOSE and LOSE and lose again.. as long as they got a fckd up useless leader to cream their pants when he LOSES next time he runs onto the field in awe inspiring compromising dead beat hopeless lead footed leaderless fashion..
15 Oct 2011, 01:02 am
@Nils(Nils)-165:
thats you fella
‘Dr Niles Crane’, a psychiatrist off the show ‘Frasier’.
ref to your “stop the explaining” advice post
I felt positively liberated.
15 Oct 2011, 01:06 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-177:
an “injustice has been done” that ” robbed the South African rugby team of their legitimate chance for immortality”
an “injustice has been done” that ” robbed the South African rugby team of their legitimate chance for immortality”
an “injustice has been done” that ” robbed the South African rugby team of their legitimate chance for immortality”
an “injustice has been done” that ” robbed the South African rugby team of their legitimate chance for immortality”
an “injustice has been done” that ” robbed the South African rugby team of their legitimate chance for immortality”
where did we last see the word
‘Justice’
used in International Rugby ?
and by whom ?
15 Oct 2011, 01:09 am
“immortality”
seriously, who the FARK do these guys think they are ?!?
Gods ?
15 Oct 2011, 01:10 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-183:
“finally” ?
*chortle*
15 Oct 2011, 01:11 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-179:
“disappear”
from a blogger
at 1:20am local time ?!
what are you
immortal ?
15 Oct 2011, 01:17 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-183:
Mike Kat merely thinks he has a point of distraction.
It must be a God Complex.
15 Oct 2011, 02:32 am
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-93: ahhh Big Hit, hook line and sinker huh? whats the matter, now that both of the 07 finalists have disappeared, there’s problems with the refereeing?
after your last four years harping at any kiwi who mention barnes, your turnaround is nothing short of fantastic to see..
hypocrite much??
15 Oct 2011, 02:48 am
@Durban Docks(Durban Docks)-153:
“Normally when a side is under the amount of pressure the wobblies were under penalties come. so no need to kick the ball away in a high risk drop goal attempt.”
does this apply to 2007? because the French WERENT penalised the entire second half, shame we’re only hearing your voice about an outrage now, I bet you also celebrated when NZ was on the receiving end… its funny how things come around..
one box of kleenex tissues on its way .
15 Oct 2011, 05:10 am
@pierre(pierre)-73: Who said the best team wasnt invited? NZ were there! You have absolutely no right to claim SA were the best, based on one Cavalier tour to the republic in 86, where thugs like Burger Geldenhuys ruled your fields..
You lot continually struggle to win in NZ, what 3 or 4 games won in about 17 years prior to this years RWC, you’d have lost back then as well.
fact is, you werent there, it was nobody elses fault except your own, it was a RWC, and so was 91, let it be.
15 Oct 2011, 05:18 am
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-93: Something corrupt must have happened eh? hahahha that’s as rich as gravy coming from you who is the illegitimate child of Wayne Barnes.
15 Oct 2011, 06:14 am
Where are the Immortals ?
I notice they disappear every time a referee is mentioned on this blog.
This must be an Opus Day.
16 Oct 2011, 04:37 am
All Blacks 20+……….. first try Aaron Cruden. One Aussie to be yellow carded. Half time ABs 13 Oz 3. McCaw subbed @ 15 mins. 3000 heart attacks in NZ when this happens. ;-0
16 Oct 2011, 04:38 am
Good Luck to both teams and lets have a ‘CRACKER’!
16 Oct 2011, 04:42 am
@Helen(Helen)-76:
HOws this for arrogance.
Boks lose to OZ in QF yet the South African public scream there is a conspiracy, match fixing and corruption. Even saying and its all over here that SA are a better team.
YOU LOST TO THE BETTER TEAM.
Your not as good as you all think you are.
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