Kiwis plan victory parade
18 Oct 2011
Reports in New Zealand indicate that plans are already underway to stage a ticker-tape parade for the All Blacks in Auckland next week.
The All Blacks lifted a nation when they beat the Wallabies in last Sunday’s semi-final. While their coaches and players are talking up their final opponents and shunning those that would suggest that they have one collective hand on the Webb Ellis Cup, preparations for the post-match victory lap have already begun.
According to The New Zealand Herald, Auckland Council chiefs and the New Zealand Rugby Union have been in talks to organise a ticker-tape parade up Queen Street on Wednesday or Thursday next week. Some of the locals feel this is presumptuous, while others are worried that it is simply tempting fate.
The newspaper reports that those involved in the staging of such a parade have been reluctant to comment, with NZRU spokeswoman Julie Clausen stressing that the focus is on winning the competition and that all talk of victory parades is premature.
It has been confirmed that a celebratory event will be staged regardless of Sunday’s result. Organisers of the Labour Day festival, Kiwi Day Out, say this is not a pre-emptive party for All Black success, but rather a celebration of all teams in the World Cup.
675 Comments
18 Oct 2011, 01:33 am
Oh boy, HG and co will have a field day with this.
18 Oct 2011, 01:35 am
No harm in that. If you’re likely to disrupt a city of over 1m people it’s just as well to plan ahead for that possibility. If it isn’t needed, you just can the whole show and it’s just business as usual.
18 Oct 2011, 01:39 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-2:
Yep, thats the way i see it as well but to few on here its not that clear cut.
They laughed cos Kiwis bought tickets to the Finals in 2007.
But did you see the amount of Bok fans in the semi final last week when ABs vs Ozzies.
Whos laughing now huh?
18 Oct 2011, 02:09 am
You prepare for the most likely scenario and, if it does not eventuate, you quietly ditch that plan. Sensible way to go, I’d say?
18 Oct 2011, 02:37 am
No problem in planning. there is only problem if you’re found out by the press
18 Oct 2011, 02:54 am
A bit premature.
Once upon a time when Uruguay beat mighty Brazil in football WC final in legendary Maracana (1950, I guess), the motivation secret was simple. The Uruguayan coach nailed on the door the big picture with the words “Brazil – the world champions”. It was enough to motivate his kids to beat the hell out of rthe favourites Brazilians in front of shellshocked 100 000 spectators.
I do not know whether that was urban myth or indeed a fact.
18 Oct 2011, 03:07 am
@Nils(Nils)-6: Shesh, it was almost 174 thousand thre in Maracana. 8)
18 Oct 2011, 03:22 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-3:
Talking about selling unwanted tickets.
There were a number of fellows across the road from Brittomart near the main fan zone with handwritten cardboard placards trying to hock off their finals.
18 Oct 2011, 03:24 am
The NZ Herald is run buy idiots
18 Oct 2011, 03:30 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-3:
Mate give credit where credit is due…….most of those Bok fans had on their Bok jersies with their faces painted black……… yes black, in support of the AB’s
Good on them………..did not see too many AB’s in 2007 with green face paint?
18 Oct 2011, 03:58 am
Not sure I get all this, surely it won’t take long to print a few stickers to put over the year, sorry years on the ‘victory’ banners they have stached away in the store room….ok, some may be a little dusty because we are talking 20 years but so what!
18 Oct 2011, 04:05 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-2: Jeeez Tackles not like you to sit with one either side. We will need that parade to celebrate the AB’s putting the french on the Bar b Q and giving them a good old grilling…end of story. This is our party, in our house and no one is going to wreck it…particularly some sneaky little frenchmen who use the shadows late at nite to plant bombs in OUR Auckland harbour on OUR ships and kill OUR people, and detonate their disgusting N devices in Our back yard amongst Our neighbours in the Pacific.
After Sunday, we will have made history as the most successful team ever in the history of this planet and it will be as sweet as!!
18 Oct 2011, 04:07 am
….but before all the knockers come out calling me arrogant etc its not at all, just total and unmitigated belief in my teams capabilities and the devastation the Frogs are facing.
18 Oct 2011, 04:11 am
@whatever(whatever)-10: No because we were all bowing our heads praying that at least the Boks would keep the trophy in the Southern Hemisphere and give the poms a hiding.
18 Oct 2011, 04:16 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-14:
18 Oct 2011, 04:17 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-12:
er, build a bridge mate……….
18 Oct 2011, 04:22 am
I am embarrassed about this. However, dont think this is the whole of NZ planning a parade because its not. Its some over excited councillor and the team of temporary rugby watchers getting all gaga over this.
The real rugby fraternity over here are ducking for cover.
18 Oct 2011, 04:25 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-17:
Hehehe relax Kia, it is a done deal. No way the froggies will spoil the party this time.
18 Oct 2011, 04:29 am
The NZ Herald editor woke up with a hard on and decided he needed to shoot his load.
18 Oct 2011, 04:31 am
only the
keewees
will know
how to live
with themselves
this wc
was a
set up
i had little
respect
for keewees
before
now i have
none
inbred
cheaters
18 Oct 2011, 04:37 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-17: If the absolute horror was to unfold the ABs and Richie MCaw still deserve the parade either way for their services and how they represented our country over the years.
@whatever(whatever)-16: I was there when it( Rainbow Warrior) happened, was in Tahiti when the testing was in Mururoa and have been in the reactors in Grenoble when the results of the testing done in the pacific were safe to be put on french soil so I’m not some hippie that has picked up a cause but have seen it all first hand.
18 Oct 2011, 04:38 am
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-20:
I am crestfallen
18 Oct 2011, 04:39 am
@Brads(Brads)-22:
be so
inbred
18 Oct 2011, 04:39 am
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-20: Porra the sad sack of s hit doest realise that not one person on this site gives a rats a rse what u think..except maybe U.
18 Oct 2011, 04:43 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-24:
so what
you keewees
will remain
a sad bunch
of cheaters
who have
cheapened
the rwc
once again
18 Oct 2011, 04:50 am
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-25: lucky we only put our B team out to play eh cuzzy tosser
18 Oct 2011, 04:53 am
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-25:
Aren’t you a Bulls fans, hasn’t been a good year has it mate, enjoy the final.
18 Oct 2011, 04:56 am
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-25: Jeez bro if wez was a but smarta we cudda wun the Mandela Plate, thu freedum cup eh and maybe the tri nations but we was really dumass eh and cudnt thunk thit fur ahead to thu wirld cip eh….bit now we git nuthink eh….must be rilly fat and stoopid eh…. we had thum all filled thut we wuz all injurd but we wuz rilly trainin hard to git beatin by them Ozzy boys ind umbarruss oursulves….just fat ind not so cliver eh cuzz ind now im rilly a luttle ingry man.
18 Oct 2011, 04:56 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-26:
don’t blame
your
b team
you are a
sad bunch
of inbred
cheaters
you are not
worthy
of being
rugby union
players
league
is your style
do not
marry your
sister
but then
you probably
done so
already
what a sad
lot
you are
18 Oct 2011, 04:58 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-28:
bro
then cudda
then the
rest
i rest my
case
18 Oct 2011, 04:59 am
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-29: bye bye
18 Oct 2011, 05:00 am
in closing
the keewees
has turned out
to be a
sad
sporting
nation
too much
inbreeding
good night
18 Oct 2011, 05:01 am
should be
have
good night
18 Oct 2011, 05:04 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-21:
Mate, do you dispise the Germans, the Muslims etc for the things they as a race/religion have done in this world?
Jeez, the French players and supporters have F uk all to do with the Rainbow Warrior or nuclear testing. Talk about holding a grudge and small minded?
I suppose you also told the Ozzies to “f u k off home on Sunday” ?
Why are you keewee blokes so small minded? Does it have anything to do with the size of other stuff?
18 Oct 2011, 05:09 am
I think the pre-planning will have come in handy, come Sunday.
18 Oct 2011, 05:09 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-21: Has your head been tested for radiation contamination? The French might not be as safe back in France after all!
18 Oct 2011, 05:10 am
@whatever(whatever)-34:
Hehe reminded me that I was also once told to f u k off home…but it was not on a Sunday and the person uttering the word were a prostitute…and all I asked was for her to show me her t its…some people are just born grumpy!
18 Oct 2011, 05:12 am
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-33: sweet dreams cupcake
18 Oct 2011, 05:17 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-35:
True because come Monday they will have to pack it all away for another 4 years…
18 Oct 2011, 05:18 am
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-29: Now you’re having a go at league. Not winning any mates either side of the tasman there fella.
18 Oct 2011, 05:33 am
Why so prudent New Zealand? Its obvious this world cup is in the bag, why not plan for the greatest victory parade the world has ever seen now, so you can correct the farce the tournament has been up until now?
18 Oct 2011, 05:42 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-41: Why has it been a farce? Or has it been more of a farce than other RWC’s?
The whole concept of a RWC is a farce, but when we suggested this back in 07 we were lambasted as being bad sports. Whether we win this or not, knock out rugby does not tell us who the best in the world is, or who a world champion is, its merely who won that tournament.
A better tournement would be the top 10 playing 9 games each, with the most comp points at the end being deemed worthy champs.
But if youre referring to the officiating, then thats completely out of our hands, despite POB being in charge, its the entire committe of 8 reps (from the major playing nations) that vote on each directive, and motions are passed accordingly. POB doesnt sit there with a big stick and perform a dictator role.
18 Oct 2011, 05:50 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-18: mate, thats what we thought after rogering everyone in 95 and SA sneaking past France at Durban.
We all know what happened next
18 Oct 2011, 05:54 am
French odds getting bigger by the day… now $7.5-1 (never been higher than $5-1 in the history of the cup).
18 Oct 2011, 06:02 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-42:
Err Kia, relax! I think in your haste you misunderstood Slong…he is actually saying it is a farce because the best team in the world has missed out for 24 years…winning it will at least fix one part!
18 Oct 2011, 06:04 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-43:
Different this time, at home against a rubble team, it is in the bag.
18 Oct 2011, 06:05 am
Kiwis plan funeral. You guys must be shitting yourself, but why? There is no way in hell you can drop another cup right. I’m hearing roumors that the game still has to be played on sunday.
18 Oct 2011, 06:09 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-42:
On another point, POB is the boss and carries the big stick. Don’t try and spin it any other way…
But on the officiating, to many games ended with the biggest talking point being the impact of the ref and I am not talking about poor refereeing but discussion about the ultimate outcome being changed by it. Forget who was on the perceived receiving end of all this but it is not good for rugby. Hopefully something drastic is done about it or else rugby will struggle going forward.
18 Oct 2011, 06:13 am
GO FRANCE YOU GOOD THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18 Oct 2011, 06:14 am
If the French win, the victory parade simply gets canned. Nothing happens. Auckland operates as usual.
If the ABs win, as is likely, and a victory parade is held, several inner-city roads will have to be blocked off and people needing to get to businesses, hospitals, etc etc urgently will need to know what the alternative arrangements and routes are.
Can’t be anything wrong with doing this sort of contingency planning, is there?
Making
18 Oct 2011, 06:16 am
Of course, the French aren’t going to win, are they?
18 Oct 2011, 06:17 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-48: I know he has the stick, but every thing has to be voted on. Its a documented process.
Yeah the refs have been awkward – no question – and that in part is because of the Referreing Panel etc. Not ideal, not what the players or fans want.
Having said that, within the lottery that is the RWC, some times you just gotta keep rolling the dice, and live by it. I just find it a bit absurd that in 07 the referring blunders effected us, and we were all told to zip it. It hurts like fok when youre on the receiving end, we know.
18 Oct 2011, 06:18 am
Whatever happens, the yarpies exited in the QFs — four more years, boys!
18 Oct 2011, 06:21 am
Good grief Kiwis I hope for your self important sakes this does not end in tears and having to wait 28 years for another crack.
For some Kiwi fans that must feel like a lifetime.
18 Oct 2011, 06:26 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-54: Well, one thing’s for sure — the IRB 4th ranked yarpies won’t be having anything remotely resembling a victory parade, no matter what happens in RWC2011
18 Oct 2011, 06:30 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-55:
Na we had one four years ago.
18 Oct 2011, 06:31 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-53:
Not yet. Technically, we’re still the current champions.
18 Oct 2011, 06:32 am
I don’t have an issue with a bit of planning going in for a parade if the AB’s do win, after all the council were lambasted for poor planning on the night of the opening ceremony.
However, getting ahead of ourselves is hardly right.
With the exception of a small percentage of Kiwi’s, most of us are not making any bold predictions.
For those, you need to point the finger at all the foreign journalists, includeing Keo’s mob.
18 Oct 2011, 06:34 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-50:
“If the French win, the victory parade simply gets canned. Nothing happens. Auckland operates as usual.”
Should the unexpected happen… there is no way anything in Auckland will operate as usual.
18 Oct 2011, 06:35 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-55:
Stop living in the past and grow up. I’m pretty certain the black and coloured Springbok players don’t take kindly to being called Yarpies.
18 Oct 2011, 06:36 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-59:
Nothing much will be moving the day after the final, its a holiday.
18 Oct 2011, 06:37 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-59:
You mean, other than getting motherless?
18 Oct 2011, 06:38 am
@Brads(Brads)-58:
Poor planning? This for a supposed First World country AND with an Aussie actually responsible for the technical special effects on the opening night…and the Kiwis still could not get their butts into gear to make the first night properly planned.
This is why Oz will always be the leader on that continent and why the Kiwis need hard working South Africans to help them out with our trained professionals.
18 Oct 2011, 06:41 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-63:
“This is why Oz will always be the leader on that continent”
Sounds like you think New Zealand is part of continental Australia.
Did you miss the geography classes at school?
18 Oct 2011, 06:45 am
@Brads(Brads)-64:
18 Oct 2011, 06:45 am
@Brads(Brads)-64:
What continent is NZ part of?
18 Oct 2011, 06:48 am
Why don’t we ask the SAFFA’s what they would rather be doing planning a premature world cup parade because you’re in the final or watching the curried cup in SA?
18 Oct 2011, 06:51 am
@Brads(Brads)-64:
Why, because it’s not on the same continental shelf. Semantics.
18 Oct 2011, 06:51 am
@David(David)-66:
No continent. New Zealand is an Island nation. An archipelago actually.
We might be grouped with other countries and called part of Australasia, or Oceanaia but that is a regional name.
Australia is a continent on its own.
18 Oct 2011, 06:55 am
Ah he’s just trying to be a wiseass.
18 Oct 2011, 06:57 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-67:
knobbie, we try not to do things prematurely, it tends not to satisfy.
Just asked old Tacitus, he opened a can of whoopass prematurely and is still paying…
18 Oct 2011, 06:58 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-68:
What are you talking about.
If we are not on the same continetal shelf, as you correctly state, how do you come to think New Zealand is part of continental Australia.
Not semantics at all.
18 Oct 2011, 06:58 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-67: well, lets hope they do it properly as it may take another 24 years to start planning one
However, good luck for the game, should take the frogs by 20 at least if they play like last week.
18 Oct 2011, 06:58 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-71:
so you’d prefer to be knocked out and watching the curried cup, fair enough
18 Oct 2011, 06:59 am
@My nr1 nr2 too(trupisero)-73:
cheers, we won’t lose at the garden of Eden
18 Oct 2011, 06:59 am
@Brads(Brads)-72:
Stop trying to steer away from the subject. It won’t work with me.
18 Oct 2011, 07:02 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-71: more oom koos
18 Oct 2011, 07:03 am
Ask yourself….why has this First World country never been given a Football World Cup…*sigh*…..not BIG enough….not enough venues and not enough money.
Shocking….and that’s besides the fact that it could slide back into the ocean at any moment.
18 Oct 2011, 07:03 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-76:
You started it.
Cherry picked part of a sentence from one of my posts, and now you ***** and moan.
Stick to the subject and I will be happy to do likewise.
18 Oct 2011, 07:03 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-75: can’t see that happening either, The spoilt brats probably still partying.
18 Oct 2011, 07:05 am
@Brads(Brads)-79:
Na was actually backing up what you had said and ellaborating further.
18 Oct 2011, 07:05 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-78</a
because about 3 people play football in NZ but you knew that because you know everything smartie pants
18 Oct 2011, 07:05 am
Hey knobbie knobknob, I assume from your very immature posts over the last couple of days you were not even born the last time NZ played in a final, so I will give you some leeway.
But do you remember how much the previous premature parade costed the Auckland Council? Was it $150k or was it only $50k, come on, help me out here…?
18 Oct 2011, 07:06 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-78:
What a cracked piece of logic.
Denmark has never hosted the WC, they are about the same size as NZ but have a far superior Football team and it is their national game.
There are plenty of other examples.
Come on, sharpen up, that troll was as flat as bat guano.
18 Oct 2011, 07:07 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-83:
who cares world champions in 5 days time
18 Oct 2011, 07:07 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-42: I was referring to it being a face, in that it would never make enough money and therefore the next world cup had to go to “a banker” nation (England) and only after then could the world cup go to a less familiar market like Japan. New Zealand had their chance in 2003 to co host but couldn’t get their act together and so rightfully lost the opportunity, through their own fault.
Rugby needs to be taken to other audiences in order for the game to grow. Having said that, its never actually been in New Zealand’s interest for the game to grow, they like it just the way it is, with the occasional law change in their favour aside!
18 Oct 2011, 07:07 am
I’ll bet they’ve allready engraved the trophy too!
18 Oct 2011, 07:08 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-82:
I heard that soccer is quite popular there. Some say the crowds at soccer games are better attended then your domestic rugby games. Judging by the empty seats I tend to agree somewhat.
18 Oct 2011, 07:09 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-86:
England has all the money so why don’t you guys grow the game if it concerns you so much, England were a disgrace on and off the pitch, you aren’t a rugby nations a rsehole
18 Oct 2011, 07:10 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-88:
yer one semi professional team but don’t let that get in the way of your story
18 Oct 2011, 07:12 am
Keep on counting those chicken knobbie…
18 Oct 2011, 07:13 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-91:
keep watching the curried cup buddy
18 Oct 2011, 07:13 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-86:
It was taken to SA back in 1995 and won by the host nation.
But I don’t see where the game has grown to any degree in Africa since then.
18 Oct 2011, 07:14 am
curried cup?! Keep on being an idiot…
18 Oct 2011, 07:14 am
@Brads(Brads)-84:
Denmark and a few other European countries but I’m sure they can do it financially. I bet even Poland could manage it and their GDP is waaay lower than yours.
One thing is for sure, if an African country with a high crime rate and 45-50% unemployment can do rugby, cricket and soccer world cups, UN conventions and a host of other huge money sapping showpieces…then New Zealand needs to step up and show us why they are still considered First World like their cousins in Oz.
18 Oct 2011, 07:18 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-95:
wev’e done the cricket WC and this is our second rugby WC, do your homework pal, you are still bitter over your 1/4 exit and this is your comeback very lame
18 Oct 2011, 07:20 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-86:
It’s embarrassing…and Australia were furious about it too.
An African country has to show the Kwis how it’s done….with our monopoly money, corruption, unemployment and crime…yet we still manage to do it all on our own (no Aussies to help with our opening night special effects) and we do it ON TIME with no glitches.
18 Oct 2011, 07:20 am
tempting the mocker gods with this.
don’t worry about Prespawn, he has to tune in to that little block of Islands NZ to watch the rwc final. I hear he’s sharing the couch with Bismarck, they are going to discuss the game from their loungerooms.
18 Oct 2011, 07:20 am
Just watched a pice on One News.
The reporter said he had been told by both the Auckland Council and the NZRU that a parade had not been planned.
Now that is semantics I suppose, because they could have flagged it as a possible task to organise.
Which then brings into question the motives of the NZ Herald trumpeting the story on the front page of their rag.
18 Oct 2011, 07:21 am
who gives a toss about soccer?
18 Oct 2011, 07:21 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-98:
f uck he’s so lame
18 Oct 2011, 07:22 am
@Brads(Brads)-99: its still under contemplation
18 Oct 2011, 07:23 am
In all fairness if you’re going to have a parade you do need to do a bit of planning before hand anway so I dont think its arrogance at all. Whether you win or not you still need to plan for the possibility of winning so that you are ready to go, if you dont win then you just shelve the plans.
18 Oct 2011, 07:24 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-95:
We could host it.
But it would never be awarded, as you fully know.
Having said that, Aus are talking about putting in a bid, and if they did so, it could include NZ as hosts of one of the pools.
18 Oct 2011, 07:26 am
I dont really understand all the ongoing antagonism flying here between Saffas and kiwis.
perhaps Saffas need to learn to become a bit more introspective and think about where we went wrong and how we can improve rather than lashing out childishly at the wonderful Kiwi team….
Serioulsy I have been gobsmacked by the reactions of a large pool of Saffas on this site…..farkit….
18 Oct 2011, 07:26 am
France should also have made the 95′ final but the ref was in the Saffa’s pockets, it was clearly a try.
18 Oct 2011, 07:27 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-98:
Hey I’d smaak to share a few beers with the dude actually.
Yep and looking forward to the Currie Cup knock-out stages…at least if The Sharks win I will have some measure of justice.
18 Oct 2011, 07:27 am
@My nr1 nr2 too(trupisero)-102:
Agreed.
But if you saw the paper today you would think the deal was done and dusted.
18 Oct 2011, 07:28 am
@Brads(Brads)-104:
Sounds good.
18 Oct 2011, 07:31 am
Brads
which it most definitely isn’t!!
Its like the guy who got tattooed in 07. eish. why not wait until the games been played, then if they win organise one. a week in-between won’t lessen the amount of people turning out.
18 Oct 2011, 07:33 am
@Brads(Brads)-108: After all the **** the kiwis had this year this will be a great end to the year for them.
Pity we didn’t get to face you guys in the semi’s – I suspect there would have been even more busted noses on both sides.
18 Oct 2011, 07:33 am
@David(David)-60: Who cares? A yarpie is a yarpie is a yarpie, whether they like it or not.
18 Oct 2011, 07:35 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-110: pops, the frogs have played their final and almost lost against 14 men. Ain’t no way they will win.
18 Oct 2011, 07:37 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-112: Sheep in both hemispheres are relieved it’s not a Wales/NZ final.
18 Oct 2011, 07:38 am
The All Blacks should win it, the alternative is just too depressing. But I do think a victory parade is a little premature.
Hopefully the AB’s don’t beat themselves.
18 Oct 2011, 07:38 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-89: Lets see…. Gerogia, Romania, Russia, USA, Canada, Argentina, Fiji, Samoa off the top of my head all have the majority of their national squad players playing professionally in Europe, developing as players. Then able to go and represent their countries at world cups with distinction. South Africa allowing the Pumas development team and Namibia to go and enter the vodacom cup and develop. New Zealand????? Bugger all apart from the odd poach of pacific talent here and there, moaning that Twickenham makes too much money and that they should give it to New Zealand. Get a life whiner!
18 Oct 2011, 07:43 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-106: Clearly? **** bru, you must have x-ray eyes. If that’s the case then Ruben Kruger’s try was also valid in the final and we actualy beat you guys by 7 points.
18 Oct 2011, 07:45 am
Clearly a Media-inspired wind up
Never fear, McCaw wont even be reading the papers. The squad have been banned.
18 Oct 2011, 07:46 am
boy oh boy…i hope this blows up in their faces.
18 Oct 2011, 07:48 am
@BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-117:
Not a Try by Kruger
1. bodies between Kruger and ball, no contact with turf (or the padding, only)
2. a knock-on (by Os, if memory serves)
18 Oct 2011, 07:49 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-1:
The ‘Immortals’ Must Be Crazy
18 Oct 2011, 07:51 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-120: the scoreboard is all that counts and we know what it said, in 95 and 11.
18 Oct 2011, 07:51 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-116:
we allow our third rate has beens to play for your national team I reckon thats very generous of us and helps your development, crikey how bad would England be without all the foreign imports
18 Oct 2011, 07:52 am
1. bodies between Kruger and ball, no contact with turf (or the padding, only)
So clearly a try?
18 Oct 2011, 07:52 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-119:
keep hoping, you got your French jersey?
18 Oct 2011, 07:52 am
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-20:
beeeeeeeautiful
18 Oct 2011, 07:53 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-116: Samoa poached 15 kiwis for this WC.. try using facts, they really help!
18 Oct 2011, 07:54 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-124:
We know humour is a foreign concept to the average Bok fan (thats you) but DO ‘try’ to keep up.
18 Oct 2011, 07:55 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-123: Fine thanks, to date England has been the only country to win the world cup with all its players born in its own country.
18 Oct 2011, 07:57 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-129:
England and the Bokke ranked 7 and 8th in the world should be a good match up next time, very evenly matched
18 Oct 2011, 07:57 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-127: And who was responsible for their training, conditioning, livelihoods and Professional development? I’m guessing not their big friendly Pacific brothers New Zealand?
18 Oct 2011, 07:58 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-27:
its a common theme from the vast majority of Neanderworld
Porra, Gunther, Tacitus, BlueAlligator, BlueDik…..
Poor Winners, Porra Losers
18 Oct 2011, 07:58 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-129:
Perhaps England should stick to that plan always.
18 Oct 2011, 08:00 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-125:
i wouldn’t tempt fate if i were you…honest…
18 Oct 2011, 08:01 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-130: Drifting off the point and slinging petit insults. Class. It really doesn’t bother me whether my team is ranked 1 or 100, I’ll still support them and I wont beat my wife!
18 Oct 2011, 08:02 am
boks dropped to 4 th in the rankings now….!
instead of bad mouthing kiwis all day we should be looking to the future and ensuring we never again put our fotunes into the hands of wallys like the 3 stooges and ageing plonkers like plod….
we better find the right head coach or we going into freefall…
18 Oct 2011, 08:02 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-41:
It only became a ‘farce’ once your sad sorry limited lot took their seats in Departure Lounge.
18 Oct 2011, 08:06 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-67:
you must have missed it. Theyve been planning their own Victory Parade for the past 4 years. Every 4 years.
Another 4 Years.
18 Oct 2011, 08:09 am
They could have this victory parade on saturday. Play on sunday and get back to work by monday!
18 Oct 2011, 08:12 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-137: Is that the best you can do? I think perhaps my argument has slightly more substance? But then again I might just be crazy for thinking it doesn’t make any sense to award the rights to a World Championships that involves more countries then any other rugby tournament, that is the biggest driving force to the development of the game to a country that doesn’t need the development and will make a massive financial loss, that will have to be corrected by another country that doesn’t need the development either 4 years later and only then will the global show-piece go to a lesser developed country with the potential to open up the biggest market in the world. New Zealand hosting the world cup has put back the development of Rugby 8 years.
Oh hang on, now that I look at it, you have a fine point!
18 Oct 2011, 08:12 am
@grant10(grant10)-136:
three words…heyneke meyer.
18 Oct 2011, 08:13 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-131: you mean players like Fotualili and Schwalger? who both played S15 for NZ franchises?
lmfao keep going though, your ignorance is noteworthy..
18 Oct 2011, 08:14 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-141: my 4 th choice…..H Meyer…
1 ….Mitchell
2 Mallet
3 B Venter
4 H Meyer….
18 Oct 2011, 08:15 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-142: Paul Williams etc etc etc
yep, NZ did nothing for their development…. next
18 Oct 2011, 08:19 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-140:
Dreamer
You could hold the RWC in Japan, China and Korea over successive 4 year periods, and those countries will still not be ranked in the top 5 unless they were bolstered by imports.
Genetics doesn’t get cured by exposure to sport.
18 Oct 2011, 08:20 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-112:
Onbeskof!!!!
18 Oct 2011, 08:21 am
Anyhoo good morning to our Kiwi brothers, except Tackler.
18 Oct 2011, 08:22 am
2004
Jake white appointed,
SA ranked 6th
2007
Jake White resigns
SA ranked 1st
2007
Divvy appointed
SA ranked 1st
2011
Divvy resigns
SA ranked 4th
18 Oct 2011, 08:22 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-142: And so is your failure to read. I said the majority of the squad. 20 of the Samoa world cup squad play in Europe.
I’m quite sure that if New Zealand allowed one team each from Samoa, Tonga and Fiji into their NPC they would have a better tournament, which would be supported in greater numbers, richer in culture and would benefit all. However, does a good playing platform for Pacific Islanders benefit the All Blacks? Thats probably why the idea is not entertained.
18 Oct 2011, 08:24 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-140:
Agree.
RWC should go to places like Italy, Spain, Argentina, USA, Canada, Russia. That will develope the game more than hosting it in a rugby saturated country like NZ
18 Oct 2011, 08:25 am
Good morning all.
Arrived back yesterday so just want to congrats the Ab’s with the win vs the Wallas.
Did not see the game so can’t comment.
Regarding the final. Imo… it’s a done deal.
As said previously, Ab’s will win easily! Like taking candy from a kid!
Deservedly so.
18 Oct 2011, 08:25 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-149: why is it NZs responsibility to help the pacific nations? do you remember 2003, when the English clubs you so proudly claim help these guys didnt release their Samoans for the WC?
the 15 NZ born samoan players, where do you think they played all their junior rugby? like I said, keep going, its funny to watch..
18 Oct 2011, 08:26 am
And except the overweight panther, of course.
18 Oct 2011, 08:27 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-128:
Oh pantie, don’t worry, we all had a good old larf at your knowledge of the Laws of Rugby but being a plain d.ickhead does not count as being funny in my books. Maybe you should try and change your approach a little…
18 Oct 2011, 08:27 am
@grant10(grant10)-143:
as a foreigner john mitchell will never coach the springboks, besides he doesn’t have the most spectacular of records.
mallet’s baggage just wont make it possible for him to come back, and as good as his record has been with the boks he has made critical blunders at critical times. also didn’t have the honest maturity to admit it at the time…too arrogant or proud.
venter’s really just a lot of hype as a coach, with a similarly not too impressive resume…i wouldn’t risk him with the boks until he proves himself in the s15 at the very least.
meyer…well…his record speaks for itself so i would hope he chooses to make himself availabe.
if ever we were to take in a foreigner then i would throw big money at mckenzie.
18 Oct 2011, 08:28 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-149:
So why doesn’t England let a Romanian team or Russian team or who ever play in its club competition.
18 Oct 2011, 08:29 am
@Brads(Brads)-145: No it wont and nobody would expect them too either. When the USA hosted the soccer world cup they were a joke of a soccer nation, but it was the most attended world cup in history, it brought an unbelievable amount of cash to the football governing body. The USA has since become a far more competitive nation at soccer, has set up its own league and looks to be going from strength to strength.
Would the same thing possibly happening for Rugby in Asia be a bad thing, or is it more important to be sentimental and give the world cup to New Zealand, because they are the number 1 ranked team in the world?
18 Oct 2011, 08:30 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-155:
I would be appalled if Mitchell was appointed Bok coach.
Surely there is better talent than him to choose from in SA.
18 Oct 2011, 08:31 am
@Brads(Brads)-156: It does in the European cup.
18 Oct 2011, 08:34 am
and we have the pacific nations cup. hongkong. your point?
18 Oct 2011, 08:37 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-152: That was just Trevor Leota taking the cash, he always had the option to go.
If New Zealand has no intention of growing the game, why should it have the world cup? South Africa added teh Pumas and Namibia to its Vodacom cup and it made it a better tournament. New Zealand could easily do the same thing, but because of their small man syndrome and paranoia the idea has never been entertained.
You tell me would it be such a disaster to allow other teams into the NPC?
18 Oct 2011, 08:38 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-155: Mitchell is a brilliant coach imo…..and will not take kak like the 3 stooges from a cabal of so called senior fat boys….
Same as Mallet and B Venter.
I pray for a foreigner….we need to get out the laager and acknowledge that coaches like Deans….Henry…Gatland are miles above our soft conservative wallys that have our rugby in turbo reverse.
We need a hard core coach….someone who will not tolerate the prima donnas….
I still cannot believe the power that was allowed to be placed in the hands of the fat boys…..disgusts me i tell you…
Heyneke may be a decent choice……I would not be sad if he gets it….
But only those 4 for me….anyone else I will have major concerns and reservations….
Lets wait and see…..
I am so the moer in with AC…….he now wants schalk back at openside this weekend…..it is this nonsensical type decisions that irk me badly!
18 Oct 2011, 08:38 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-157:
Why don’t you stop after reading a post and attempt to work out the message.
You claim that exposure will widen the games fan base.
Well let me tell you this, getting thrashed everytime you play a top team in front of your own supporters is not a hard on maker for the average fan.
Besides, that is not what I alluded to.
Genetics buddy, genetics. These guys will always be small and while they may compete with lesser skilled teams they will forever be dominated by all the major teams who have much more physical presence.
18 Oct 2011, 08:44 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-159:
Not the domestic competition.
If you want to level that against NZ, why not include Australia and SA
18 Oct 2011, 08:46 am
@grant10(grant10)-162: Ja that doesnt make sense. Schalk must stay at 7 or 8. Maybe its just for the Currie Cup…to accomodate Kolisi at 7.
18 Oct 2011, 08:47 am
Not a fan of Victory Parades, we’re better than that, lets just get wasted.
18 Oct 2011, 08:47 am
@Brads(Brads)-163: Protect your game and don’t let anyone else play it, great idea! Should you only be allowed to play the game if you are going to be the very best?
Basket ball is an even more important game when concerning genetics, because you can’t workout to get taller, where as you can workout to get bulkier for rugby. What you fail to gather is that unlike you and brain cells, Asia has huge numbers! They may not be as good as the states, but they are still pretty good, contrary to your genetics theory.
18 Oct 2011, 08:50 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-161:
No they didn’t they added the Pampas, which is a high performance team.
Seeing as they won all 11 of their games this year, I suspect the Vodacom cup is way below their potential.
A bit like NZ letting a team each from Fiji, Samo and Tonga play in the Heartland competition.
Marginal value to the invitation team, other than the battle between themselves, and zero value to local teams who are all 100% through and through amateur.
You argument would carry more weight if SARU let those two teams take a spot in the Currie Cup.
Could I suggest a promotion relegation system, where the likes of the Lions would be consigned to the vodacom Cup if they fell off the pace.
I am sure your idea would get traction …not
18 Oct 2011, 08:54 am
@grant10(grant10)-162:
Grant, keep in mind that there won’t be the same ‘senior’ players around for the next coach.
I am not too worried about players controlling the next coach.
Our senior players will amount to Habana, Bismarck, Burger & M Steyn, hardly worthy of a cabal
18 Oct 2011, 08:54 am
@grant10(grant10)-162:
Hi Grant. I have not been here for a while. Have you had your “I told you so” yet? I missed it if you had. It would have made for interesting reading, I’m sure.
18 Oct 2011, 08:55 am
@Brads(Brads)-168: Pampas was mainly young guys who didn’t have professional contracts in Europe, so they got a go at applying themselves on a better stage for a full season. Not a bad thing really is it?
18 Oct 2011, 09:00 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-167:
Again you missed the point.
I said if the RWC was run over three consecutive tournaments in Asia, the level of competitiveness by the regaional teams would not move to the point where they would seriously compete against the top teams.
China, can cobble together a reasonable basketball team to compete at the Olympics, but they would be destroyed in the NBL.
By the way, abusing me doesn’t make the point yuo raise any more valid.
18 Oct 2011, 09:07 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-165: same old s hit from AC…..
Makes me the moer in beyond description….
18 Oct 2011, 09:08 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-171:
I suppose not, it would have been a nice hit out for the Argentinian players concerned.
That would be like here in NZ putting the under 21 AB’s, who won their world age group tournament for the umpteenth time, in the Heartland comp.
Or sending that same team to the islands to beat up the locals in their domestic competition.
The question you have to ask is this. What value did they bring to the other teams players, none of whom will likely get to play at a higher level.
18 Oct 2011, 09:08 am
@Helen(Helen)-169: pity you didnt have the balls to acknowledge the previous cabal of fat boys….instead youopenly supported them….
18 Oct 2011, 09:08 am
@Brads(Brads)-158:
it leaves me cold, to be honest. i just hope its media hype chasing stories and it is not in fact true that saru have his name on a short list. yes, there are worthy candidates in sa imo. however, if we were to try and rope in a foreigner then i would throw big money at mckenzie.
@grant10(grant10)-162:
well the lions have only managed a show of sorts in the cc against vastly underpowered oppostion…they may not even make the final to be honest. if the lions can show the same form in next seasons s15 and place in the top 5 or 6 i would then consider saying mitchell’s a ‘brilliant’ coach, maybe.
18 Oct 2011, 09:09 am
@Brads(Brads)-158:
it leaves me cold, to be honest. i just hope its media hype chasing stories and it is not in fact true that saru have his name on a short list. yes, there are worthy candidates in sa imo. however, if we were to try and rope in a foreigner then i would throw big money at mckenzie.
@grant10(grant10)-162:
well the lions have only managed a show of sorts in the cc against vastly underpowered oppostion…they may not even make the final to be honest. if the lions can show the same form in next seasons s15 and place in the top 5 or 6 i would then consider saying mitchell’s a ‘brilliant’ coach, maybe.
please refer to brads post #158
18 Oct 2011, 09:10 am
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-170: oh trust me he did but he is done with that now. Its finished.
18 Oct 2011, 09:10 am
I’m sure they can just adapt the theme of the parade and use it for something else, should the AB’s fail.
Like a g.ay pride parade.
Or a “Join the Australian Union” march.
Or a “Welcome Home, Quade” parade.
Or a walkathon to raise money to get the AB’s to 2015.
18 Oct 2011, 09:13 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-165: Kolisi is the future at no 7. He will be a Bok before long. Our new Juan Smith.
18 Oct 2011, 09:16 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-155: mckenzie has already been earmarked by o’neill as the guy to take over from deans in 2014. and you know in australia o’neiil gets whatever he wants
18 Oct 2011, 09:16 am
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-170: I may have had a rant….but bloody heartbroken so gloating is a hollow feeling.
I tell you something for nothing though….losing is only okay if we learn and improve from the experience….we need to deeply introspect…..saffa arrogance must be replaced by humility and proper introspection.
We simply cannot continue like we have over last 2 years….we allowed sentimentality, favoritism and a few fat boys to dictate terms….we need a head coach of stature….that is going to be key….
And yes….I absolutely knew our chickens would come home to roost…..bloody self gratification and selfich self interest killed us….and with the weak coaches we were always on a hiding to nothing….the wales game, instead of being a warning to us, was allowed to become a razzatazz for a super bench….which was crazy and nothing more and nothing less than an excuse to bench Hougaard, alberts and bissy….that was the tragedy ….we bought the s hit hook line and sinker….and all the while we should have been starting the best for as long as possible….
we got carried away with the luck…..we are a dumb nation lead by dummies and fall for the rubbish ver and over again.
Pleased that Plod outta the country……that is 90 % of the kak solved already…
Now for the right coach….please!
18 Oct 2011, 09:18 am
outta here
18 Oct 2011, 09:20 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-180: he stil has a lot of work to do though before he gets to that level but he’s had a great 1 currie cup season. i’d like to see him concentrate more as a lot of time he seems to go walk-about and watch the game instead of tracking the play.
18 Oct 2011, 09:26 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-184: True. And he probably needs to contribute more on defense. But as a ball carrier and link between backs and forwards he is outstanding. I like the way he finds gaps that allow for extra meters in the tackle (wish Schalk would learn how to do this), and he seems to be very quick for a big guy. He also has a great rugby pedigree at the various age group levels.
18 Oct 2011, 09:30 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-154:
cut Pantie some slack, he’d rather we all forgot about that little incident
18 Oct 2011, 09:31 am
@grant10(grant10)-182:
Could not agree more.
18 Oct 2011, 09:32 am
if wp dont learn to scrum this week….lions will chow us and spit us out…..
6 love 6 love
goodnite nurse…
all over rover…
farkeit….we spendinhg millions on retaining habs and trying to retaion JF…..but we turbo reversing like crazy still…..
WP/ Stormers and there priorities leave a lot to be desired…
18 Oct 2011, 09:34 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-180: @Transformation(Transformation)-184:
Yes Sir!!!!! Kolisi has the good,will put on more size as well(only 20)l.Reminds me very much of Juan Smith who burst onto the scene with Cats in 02/03.Great hands,big engine,physical. He still has deficiencies in his game which is natural for a 20 year old,I remember Juan at RWC 03′ couldnt control the ball at the back of scrum well and took a couple of years to grow into his own(AJ Venter,Jaque Cronje played ahead of him around 04/05 seasons).
Only became truly class around 05-06 period.After making Bok debut in 03.But has become a great player. I believe Kolisi if given the same guidance and leeway to grow,he can be a Smith type player both in skillset and quality.
Add likes of Arno Botha,Nizaam Carr,Marcel Coetzee,CJ Stander,Nick Koster,Lubabalo Mthembu,Lappies Labuschagne etc The SA loose forward factory is very very healthy
18 Oct 2011, 09:35 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-185: yeah, that’s always been his strength – ball carrying – even when he played for Grey PE. he played mostly at 8 and then at SASchools they fielded him at 6 which didn’t work very well as he is not the type of player who plays towards the ball.
18 Oct 2011, 09:36 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-179:
We are sure to see blackie on one of the floats then.
Surrounded by his saffer mates.
I wonder what he will go as?
A 6 foot 4 ****?
18 Oct 2011, 09:37 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-186:
hehehe
too bad, its gonna be his personal ‘four more years’ ******- on the back by the looks of it.
18 Oct 2011, 09:38 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-112: You give Yarpies a bad name you dumb twit. You will ALWAYS be a yarpie and no amount of trying to be a fake Kiwi fill change that. You fake coward
18 Oct 2011, 09:38 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-86: getting our act together? Hang on, the IRB wanted clean stadia free of advertising, and no access to the corp boxes etc, and catering contracts. The fact both Auck & Wgtn had pre-existing contracts in place created a legal nightmare, as box owners bought them on the premise they had access to them during the tournament. It was a legal fiasco, that the NZRFU and Eden Park and Stadium Wellington would have been lible for. In the end, once the Cup was taken away it prevented any legal cases from going forward.
18 Oct 2011, 09:41 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-189: daai lappies is a tryline sniffer! everywhere.
18 Oct 2011, 09:44 am
jeepuz!
german guy on a five year voyage sailing around the world gets eaten by cannibals…and its an island close to nz by the sounds of it.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3878047/The-cannibal.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3875350/Man-feared-eaten-by-cannibals.html
18 Oct 2011, 09:47 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-189: Yes Kolisi has the potential to be a Bok great. What are his phyiscal stats though? Isnt he a bit too short to be compared to Juan Smith?
18 Oct 2011, 09:49 am
@Gunther(gunther)-191: Poor Panto Ne.gro didn’t grasp the concept of a float. For his first and last g.ay pride parade he turned his uncle’s flatbed truck into a 9m long floater, complete with giant carrot bits.
Out in Auckland haven’t asked him back since.
18 Oct 2011, 09:50 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-195: Sign of a good loose forward.
18 Oct 2011, 09:51 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-197: He gets used regularly (and successfully) as a line-out option, so we’re not talking Luke Watsisname here.
18 Oct 2011, 09:52 am
@grant10(grant10)-105:
you and King Skop were right all along, must wind them up something wicked.
Good.
18 Oct 2011, 09:53 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-194:
That may well have been the case, but honestly.
It was embarrassing. How niaive were the local stadia administrators to sell full access to corporate boxes irrespective of what competitions were being run.
As it was, the Eden Park Trust Board became all too greedy.
In the first 2 years of the Super 12, they continued the pricing arrangement which meant there was a significant discount if you bought a season ticket.
From year 3 onward they ramped up the prices and you only got an effective discount if you attended every single match. There simply was no incentive to fork out a $1,000 for a season ticket, which was only around 10% below face value when you couldn’t be sure you would make every match and there were spare tickets begging to be bought for every game.
18 Oct 2011, 09:58 am
IRB World Rankings
Position (last week)
1(1) NEW ZEALAND 91.34
2(2) AUSTRALIA 86.49
3(5) FRANCE 84.79
4(3) SOUTH AFRICA 84.34
5(6) ENGLAND 81.58
6(4) WALES 81.10
7(7) IRELAND 80.65
8(8) ARGENTINA 80.28
9(9) TONGA 76.63
10(10) SCOTLAND 76.20
11(11) SAMOA 75.81
12(12) ITALY 73.99
18 Oct 2011, 09:58 am
I see O’Neil says he’ll stand down as ARU president after the B&IL tour in 2013.
18 Oct 2011, 10:01 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-106:
Louis Loot doesnt dish out the Gold Watches at the Official SARU aftermatch for nothing y’know.
18 Oct 2011, 10:03 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-205:
Who is Louis Loot? I only know a Louis Luyt.
18 Oct 2011, 10:05 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-203:
Those IRB points are skewed far too heavily by results at RWC
18 Oct 2011, 10:06 am
@Brads(Brads)-207:
I actually thought we would drop to about 6th! I’m quite surprised with 4th.
18 Oct 2011, 10:06 am
don’t think I’ll even bother to watch this game on the weekend.
I think “deal or no deal” is on-on the other channel at the same time.
will have much more entertainment value and suspence on offer.
18 Oct 2011, 10:07 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-200: Ja I know but he cant be the same size as Jaun right?
18 Oct 2011, 10:07 am
typicall kiwiss
Everyone is writing off the frogss
18 Oct 2011, 10:07 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-208:
yip, in 4 years Twakkie took us from No.1 to No.4.
18 Oct 2011, 10:08 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-209:
Shame man! Your team isn’t even in the Currie Cup playoffs.
WWF maybe?
18 Oct 2011, 10:08 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-197:
Yeah he isnt a bruiser nor is he tall timber.He is abt 1.89m 100kgs
But he is still only 20,should add on a few kgs,inches.Will not be a MASSIVE bloke but he is of good size.
18 Oct 2011, 10:09 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-212:
Yeah destroyed the Boks, due to ignorance and lack of balls to make decisions by himself. Not surprised though.
18 Oct 2011, 10:10 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-211:
You give them even a 20% chance? I don’t! They are a bunch of spoilt brats according to their coach, the world no 3′s are…
18 Oct 2011, 10:11 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-213:
no we are not, not a bad thing really for all the kids starting. Still pretty satisfied by what I have seen. I think this new crop of bulls will go far. They just need to grow up quickly.
18 Oct 2011, 10:13 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-140:
The IRB has publicly said that RWC 2011 was “exceptional” and “probably the best RWC ever”.
That was about 3 weeks after you read here first, huh von Trapp ?!
No wonder youre so desperate to bag it.
18 Oct 2011, 10:13 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-217:
Yeah some good talent coming through and good buying as well. Can’t believe my team allowed it, but just shows the lack of forward thinking in the Cape. I’m really pis sed off with the union for allowing Sadie to go. You an have Habs back if we can take Sadie? Deal or no deal!
18 Oct 2011, 10:14 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-208:
SA ‘s position is okay, there is a good chance France will swap places with you after this weekend.
And depending on how the 3rd and 4th playoff goes, SA might be nudging 2nd spot.
18 Oct 2011, 10:15 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-215:
Actually, I didn’t have a problem with twakkie investing in the older players…..but as a coach surely you need to remain innovative and keep the players on their feet with fresh stratergy, strike moves,etc….
he was technically inept and should never have been there. and I feel the same way about the assistants.
18 Oct 2011, 10:15 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-218:
That is said after every world cup mate. Get with it.
18 Oct 2011, 10:15 am
@grant10(grant10)-143:
Stay local.
B.Venter, H.Meyer, N.Mallet would all do a better job than Krusty. And its impt for Boks to have a Safa.
18 Oct 2011, 10:16 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-147:
hmmmmmm, post no147
not sure whether this one is too recent enough to comment on yet.
I’ll come back to you on that one when its curling up at the corners
18 Oct 2011, 10:18 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-221:
I agree! A lot of damage was caused and Heineke was the man, but it is too late to cry over spilt milk mate. The new coach has a huge hollow to fill. SA rugby controlling body should never have allowed the damage to continue, especially after the EOYT. He should have gone then. The players had free reign which can only lead to anarchy any way. The damage is done and the clown is gone HOPEFULLY.
18 Oct 2011, 10:18 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-153:
knew I shoulda kept my big gob shut and shoved some calories in it instead
18 Oct 2011, 10:21 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-219:
….that is if Sadie can make the side, everyone is assuming a lot.
Olivier at 13 outside of 12 Venter looks potentially the best balanced midfield we have had in a while. Olivier always looked more suited to 13 anyway. And then don’t count that 15 who got injured out….jurgen somebody, he looked great. And then we will have plenty of speed out wide. Vermaak at 9, probably hougaard at 11 or basson.
there are plenty of options. I also really enjoyed our looseforward talent coming through. Tecklenberg,Botha,Stander,Van Velze,Potgieter…
I think we’ll be okay next year.
18 Oct 2011, 10:21 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-166:
HA !
18 Oct 2011, 10:22 am
@Brads(Brads)-220:
also end of year games for oz might help us if they lose.
18 Oct 2011, 10:23 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-227:
Ja Jurgen Visser is a product of Stellenbosch University I think! He looked really good. Some good forwards coming through. Stander and the new Potgieter a real talent too.
18 Oct 2011, 10:24 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-225:
Heyneke would not have survived through a bad season.
Snor was kept on through poor performance, because Oregan had even said he was a quota appointment and could not fire the guy when the team was losing.
In that case, Snor would’ve been our world cup coach anyway
18 Oct 2011, 10:25 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-218: You are so naïve, Swartbroekie. They say that to all host nations. We were told that our Soccer World Cup was the best ever. And in ’95 our Rugby World Cup was the best ever. And I’m sure your Lower Hutt Interpretive Dance World Cup will get the same glowing praise. No parent can seriously tell their kid that their new painting of a lopsided, mutant, disabled butterfly is ugly.
18 Oct 2011, 10:27 am
@Helen(Helen)-231:
The bottom line is incompetence will never get anyone anywhere…
The best man for the job is the only way to achieve any form of greatness…
Sentiment has won nothing but heartache…
We all knew it was going to happen, and when it did, we were so shocked…
I hope we have learnt our lessons – if not then the slide will continue…
18 Oct 2011, 10:33 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-218: yeah righ, mike miller was pestered by your lot about the “best ever” nonsense and he played you guys like a banjo “probably, but if you ask the people who worked on France, they would say, it’s very good BUT and the people who worked on Australia as well, which was another great tournament”
18 Oct 2011, 10:36 am
if the all blacks lose on sunday blackie, will this still be ‘the greatest RWC ever’?…
18 Oct 2011, 10:38 am
and would you guys let the frenchies have the victory parade instead and not let it go to waste?
18 Oct 2011, 10:39 am
Isn’t the world cup statistically won by a team that exits in the quarters the previous tournament?
As long as we lose the tri-nations in 2015….
18 Oct 2011, 10:40 am
Whats all the discussion about? We play the frogs, we win and we have the parade and all those who hope we will lose will just continue with that empty feeling they have already- due either being dumped out of the tournament early or settling for third or fourth. This is a Kiwi party….Hangi, Kegs and Guitar and losers arent invited
18 Oct 2011, 10:43 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-234:
shame on you.
have you forgotten the 10,000 crowd that watched tonga train?
or the face painting?
18 Oct 2011, 10:43 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-218: “probably the best RWC ever”, and Bryce is probably the worst referee of all time, or is that a matter of opinion?
18 Oct 2011, 10:47 am
a little birdy mentioned to me a couple of months ago that Allister Coetzee had already been ‘told’ that he was a shoe in for the Bok coaching job, has this been confirmed yet. who else is still in the running?
18 Oct 2011, 10:51 am
@Gunther(gunther)-239: hey man, i wan’t even in this convo yet the guy drags me in for some reason.
with 2 weeks still to go, do u think the ceo of the irb is going to say anything different than what the HOSTS want to here?
jerome valcke SG of Fifa was also garrulous about our SWC even saying that if Brazil doesn’t finish on time “SA will be plan B”
but hey, some people really need the reassurance for their vacuous bragging rights on anonymous blogs
18 Oct 2011, 10:52 am
@BuckT(BuckTrendy)-241: how can he be a “shoe-in” when the job hasn’t even been advertised and pdv still has 2 months to go of his contract?
18 Oct 2011, 10:55 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-233: unfortunately the best man for the job, i.e the best available coach in world rugby, might not necessarily be the best person for the springboks, taking into account the cultural/political/provincial differences that we face. So even if they find best person for the bok job, he might come with his own limitations and you have to place an enormous amount of responsibility on the players themselves, the coaching staff in general and the selectors
18 Oct 2011, 10:55 am
@Gunther(gunther)-191:
still getting over casting your vote FOR Bryce I see, Cli Che.
18 Oct 2011, 11:07 am
@BuckT(BuckTrendy)-240:
ask Cli Che Guevera
Cli Che gave Brycie the thumbs-up
before he even blew his whistle.
He wasnt alone tho, was he.
18 Oct 2011, 11:10 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-245:
bryce is awesome.
this is the best world cup ever.
18 Oct 2011, 11:12 am
@BuckT(BuckTrendy)-240:
NO complaints when Brycie won the Boks a Test Series vs BIL 2009 tho.
or were there ?
Im detecting a ‘Trend’ here, Trendy – what say ye ?
18 Oct 2011, 11:12 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-246:
for someone who spends his life taking the piss is odd that you can’t see it when others do the same.
nein?
18 Oct 2011, 11:13 am
After the 2003 RWC, the senior England players also managed to screw over 2 coaches who wanted a more expansive game. Robinson has done wonders with Scotland, considering his resources and Best is still considered a talented coach. By appointing MJ, England managed to do officially what the the senior Boks did unofficially, which is to let previous RWC winning players coach the side with no coaching experience.
18 Oct 2011, 11:14 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-54: “28 years”
Math is not your forte, that’s for sure.
18 Oct 2011, 11:14 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-248:
bryce didn’t win us anything, thank yoooou!
18 Oct 2011, 11:27 am
why is there no news about the bloke who was murdered after a RWC match? – last time the WRC will be in NZ – thats for sure! farking Cannibals!
18 Oct 2011, 11:35 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-252:
Brycie rolled over like a goooooooooood girl in the 1st Test. Amongst a plethora of Home Decisions he allowed Beast to bore-in and willingly blew pens accordingly. And allowed Smit to come back On the pitch despite no sign of injury to the prop (CJ ?) he had replaced, no incident involved.
And, more glaringly, Brycie recommended a YC only to Schalk Gouger, Boks won by nada but only because they had 15 men for 70 mins, not 14 men for 79.
like I said.
18 Oct 2011, 11:44 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-254:
it is
also clear
that the lowlife
keewees
bought bryce
to keep the
boks
out of the
semis
but then
bryce is a
lowlife
himself
so he
probably
came
cheap
18 Oct 2011, 12:07 pm
@Richie_7(p0ppa69)-253:
So there was A murder in NZ in the few weeks.
How many in your little shiit hole pOOps?
18 Oct 2011, 12:09 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-249:
youre not being a 2-faced controtionista now, again, are you, Cli Che ?!
its hard to hide behind the “I was only pisstaking” when the use of ONE WORD allows little room for misinterpretation
a quick recap for all the Contortionistas, like yourself ? Well, the ‘After’ phase is gonna last about, oh, Another 4 Years, but this was the ‘Before’ shot when the referees for the QterF’s had just been released:-
“7.JamesNkomo:
3 Oct 2011, 06:27 am @Black Panther(Black Panther)-5:
hey panty, have a look at your ref. I would take BL anyday over that prick.”
“8.boktillzero:
3 Oct 2011, 06:30 am
Bryce had no love for the aussies”
“18. Gunther: 3 Oct 2011, 07:11 am
Bryce? Awesome.”
“19.Pot Blou Gevaar:3 Oct 2011, 07:20 am
Bryce…. Mostly steady.!”
“21.reechie maak so lank die pan warm, bakkies bring die wors…:3 Oct 2011, 07:27 am
the ozzis wil lose the game in the scrums anyway.”
“33.Ratel Brussow:3 Oct 2011, 09:26 am
Bryce is fine!”
“36.Horings: 3 Oct 2011, 10:06 am
I do not see us getting into trouble playing the Wallabies.”
50.Jibber-Jabber:3 Oct 2011, 11:11 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-24:
JA BP I’m a Bok supporter and can’t understand the ref bashing going on. Bryce is a good ref but because he is probably a cut above the rest he picks up a lot of “illegal” play the others don’t. This doesn’t mean he hates the Aussies or the Saffa’s, it means he is on top of his game. Probably the best at the tournament”
but my absolute favourite of the lot ?
“23.jeest: 3 Oct 2011, 07:55 am
Guys seriously – we have won.
Bryce hates the Aussies – he screws them every chance he gets. Before the Ireland game I thought there was no way they could win with Bryce…and i was right. Bokkies against NZ in the Semi.”
hey, Cli Che
O for “AWESOME”, dude !
18 Oct 2011, 12:11 pm
Look Porra, i know we didn’t play the Boks in the RWC and i know the last time we played you guys, you made us look like Romania – it leaves a hollow feeling, but hey, the cup is in NZ! for the next 4 years – eventhough you are better than us (well maybe)!!
18 Oct 2011, 12:16 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-257: BP after all the dust has settled maybe we will be able to agree that BL doesn’t deserve to go on the scrap heap just yet but (please don’t classify this as a whinge) his performances at the WC have been poor, including the AUS V SA game where he did not officiate the beakdown properly
18 Oct 2011, 12:20 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-257:
oh dear you really are an asshat.
are you now going to sit at hedge fund HQ and tell me that you have never heard of the word awesome being used to convey sarcasm?
and the mere fact that its was used by itself…
if anything that should give you a bigger clue.
and then use OTHER PEOPLE’S posts to support your argument?
once again you have the dog by the balls.
hold on knickerless hold on.
18 Oct 2011, 12:29 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-260:
STILL looking for a job huh ?!
its there for all to see, Cli Che.
AWESOME !
18 Oct 2011, 12:29 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-254:
Yes, we all agree that Bryce made numerous mistakes during the British and Irish Lions tour in 2009 and now during the Rugby World Cup in 2011.
What I want to know is – why the hell did the IRB referees selection committee allow him to officiate during this Rugby World Cup, then?
Could it be his close connection to Paddy and the influence of his dad, Keith?
Nepotism is such an ugly beast.
18 Oct 2011, 12:30 pm
@poppa69(p0ppa69)-258: IMPOSTER!!
18 Oct 2011, 12:31 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-262:
I mean, there were so many referees to choose from before the tournament.
Why Bryce?
If we all conceed that he has made numerous refereeing mistakes in the past – some that benefitted the Springboks immensely?
Surely the Rugby World Cup as a global spectacle deserves the very best levels of officiating?
18 Oct 2011, 12:32 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-261:
and you are the ONLY person who doesn’t get it.
ten days later.
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-262:
blackie will be able to tell you.
He often has beers with Paddy in his garage.
18 Oct 2011, 12:33 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-254:
By your own admission Bryce Lawrence is mediocre.
So why was he chosen to officiate at this Rugby World Cup?
Please, I would love some answers.
18 Oct 2011, 12:34 pm
McCaw’s nervous Dad finally feels a bit calmer
MATT RICHENS
05:00 18/10/2011
Pressure may seem to wash over All Blacks skipper Richie McCaw like water off a duck’s back, but his father, Donald, isn’t quite as cool.
Like the rest of New Zealand, McCaw Sr admitted to being “very, very nervous” ahead of Sunday’s semifinal game against the Wallabies. “I lost a fair bit of sleep over it last week,” he said. “I kept waking up and thinking about it.”
Donald and his wife Margaret were among the 60,000-plus crowd at Eden Park for the 20-6 win, and will be there this weekend too, but popped home first thing yesterday.
“I thought I better come home and do some work,” said McCaw Sr who has seen every All Black game at this World Cup and seen the French play twice.
Despite the early flight, the McCaws still caught up with their son in the early hours of yesterday morning.
Donald said his “Richard” and the rest of the All Blacks were reserved after the win, preferring to look forward to this Sunday’s final against the French than to get carried away with their semifinal success.
“I think they realize it was good to get that out of the way, but they’ve still got some unfinished business to deal with.”
Greg Ellis, Andy Ellis’ father, said the same.
“I think they’re pretty relieved to have got past Australia, but the job’s not finished yet is it?”
It’s tough work being the parent of an All Black, they ride the highs and lows worse than the rest of us.
“I think I’m more nervous than the players about the whole thing,” McCaw said.
Donald and Margaret McCaw know only too well what can happen in World Cup knockout matches and that, Donald said, added to the relief of Sunday night’s win.
Eight years ago they were in Sydney when a pinpoint Carlos Spencer pass found the waiting arms of Aussie centre Stirling Mortlock and the Wallabies upset the All Blacks 22-10.
Four years later the McCaws were among the thousands of Kiwis left gobsmacked in Cardiff as Wayne Barnes missed a blatant forward pass – and the All Blacks capitulated – against France in the quarterfinals.
But Donald has a better feeling about Sunday’s final against the capricious French.
“I don’t think the French pose the same threat [as the Wallabies],” he said.
“I am still a bit nervous about the final though, the French always bring that unknown quantity.”
The McCaws, including Richie’s younger sister Jo, will be at Eden Park on Sunday cheering him on after he had bought a few tickets himself.
Donald said his son was only to happy to give the tickets away instead of having to use them himself.
Greg and Sue Ellis will also be at Eden Park and have opted to stay in the middle of the festival atmosphere in Auckland all week.
Ellis’ form and quick passing has leapt him ahead of Southland’s Jimmy Cowan in the halfback pecking order and the former Burnside High pupil has forked out for tickets so his family can see what could be New Zealand rugby’s night of redemption against France.
Ellis’ younger brother, Simon, will also be there and the family are frantically trying to organise flights to Auckland for sister Amanda from her home in Melbourne.
In Ellis’ brief appearance last Sunday, the plucky halfback took a nasty knock and left the field with a face full of blood. Any pain the banged-up and bruised All Blacks felt was surely trumped by the fact they had made their first World Cup final in 16 years, had a chance to win their first title since 1987, and had another shot at the traditional World Club stumbling block, France.
- The Press
COREY JANE’S MUM
When Cory Jane’s granddad died, the young rugby player left a note in his coffin: “Now you’re not going to be around to see me be an All Black.”
More than a decade later, Bill Currie would have been proud to see his grandson ripping it up on the rugby field against the Wallabies on Sunday night, Cory’s mum, Linda Jane, says.
When Jane, now 28, left the note for his granddad at the age of 12, Mrs Jane was taken aback by her son’s thoughtfulness. “I just thought it was lovely.”
Amid all the excitement of the Rugby World Cup and Jane’s blinder on Sunday in which he was named man of the match, the family can’t help thinking how much his devoted granddad would have loved to see it.
Mr Currie attended all of Jane’s games, from when he was a little tacker playing for the Rimutaka Rugby Football Club’s under-7 team – and already showing signs of being All Black material.
“He was always sort of able to create something or pull something out of nothing and he still seems to be able to do that now,” Mrs Jane said.
“He seems to just love the game and he’s just blossomed. He was no good at schoolwork.”
The proud mum has already watched Sunday’s match three times, and was contemplating watching it again before The Dominion Post rang yesterday.
“Every time you watch it you spot something else. I look at where he’s standing, and see if he’s yabbering, and if he’s pulling up a sock.”
The nervous hours leading up to the match were worth it to see her son shine.
“I was rapt. I texted him yesterday before the game and said, `Look, I’ve had so many messages wishing you luck, go out there and do what you know you have to do and have fun’.
“I normally text him before he gets off the field to tell him he’s had a good game, so when he gets to the training room there’s a text there.”
After the game he told his mother he was feeling a bit bruised, but Mrs Jane told him to stay tough.
“I said to him, `You’ve got one more week, one more week. You’ll get a battering, but you’ll get another battering when you get home and the boys [Jane's two sons] will be jumping all over you’.”
She was looking forward to watching the final on Sunday at Eden Park with her husband, Steve, and Cory’s wife, Amie.
18 Oct 2011, 12:42 pm
One thing that I would like to comment on is the humility and grace that the Wallabies showed after defeat. The genuine respect for their opponents, the forming of the tunnel and personal congratulations between players.
The Wallabies are going to become a great team, this is just not their time.
18 Oct 2011, 12:43 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-260:
blackie’s got the dog by the balls alright.
just can’t rid myself of the image of him using his teeth though
18 Oct 2011, 12:44 pm
Nice article.
18 Oct 2011, 12:47 pm
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-268: Phew I couldn’t disagree more….while their grace after the AB game was encouraging, I dislike the this aussie side in general after all their arrogance, show boating, over the top celebrating etc…. When the Boks or AB’s lose it’s almost always done with style and class, there may be the odd exuberant celebration but never the **** that the aussies dish up
18 Oct 2011, 12:48 pm
Whatever happened to Rugby Princess and Stodders…probably got sick of the childish vitriolic garbage that goes on here at times. ;-(
18 Oct 2011, 12:56 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-265:
I believe it was G10 who 1st termed the phrase in honour of your esteemed Captain
SCREEEEEEEEEECH@@@@@@@………………………………………………………
18 Oct 2011, 12:59 pm
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-271: Really, all reports from the likes of McCaw and co have been good. The scribes, even here in Melbourne have been honest and full of praise……having said that I couldnt imagine what it would have been like if we had lost.
18 Oct 2011, 13:04 pm
@charo(charo)-269:
take it easy on knickerless.
he is still coming to terms with the concept.
18 Oct 2011, 13:05 pm
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-272:
Rugby Princess got tired of Fern’s constant unsolicited sexual harassment.
Sir Stodders simply gave up on the whole place. A real shame.
18 Oct 2011, 13:05 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-273:
Do you know what else is quite interesting?
Have a look at Wayne Barnes’s wikipedia page and the entries made in the days after New Zealand were knocked out of the 2007 RWC quarterfinal.
The vandalism was massive.
Then look at Bryce Lawrence’s wikipedia page and the attempted modifications made after the quarterfinal.
They don’t come close.
It appears South Africans are more balanced than New Zealanders when it comes to referees, nay?
18 Oct 2011, 13:06 pm
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-274: I don’t mean to generalise but the new younger crop of Aussies, although hugely talented, do seem to carry a bit more arrogance than usual….although I suppose we all act a bit doff when we are young.
18 Oct 2011, 13:11 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-277: theres an article in todays Sydney Morning herald how one of their “snouts” as they call it seen a SA fan having a go at Lawrence on the weekend, with one of Lawrence’s party having to intervene… wonder if it was piet Van Zyl
18 Oct 2011, 13:12 pm
Afrikaans se woorde
Boosdoos
Die Ingelse noem dit die dogbox.
Rimpelkring
As iemand regtig ‘n @rshole is kan jy hulle ‘n rimpelkring noem.
Knaterflater
Soos die Ingelse sal sê: “it is a balls-up”
Bekotsenswaardig
As iets regtig sleg is.
Melk-en-koekie-doekie
‘n Bikini.
Kombikraal
‘n Ander woord vir ‘n taxirank
Hoerboer
‘n pimp.
Flaterwater
‘n Mooi Afrikaanse woord vir Tippex.
Plooipleister
‘n Minder mooi woord vir ‘makeup’.
Wolfdrol
‘n Lekker woord vir ‘n patat.
Gemoedsbekakking
Dit is as jy depressief is.
Hoerberoerte
Dit kry ‘n mens as jy verby jou skarnier kwaad is.
Bergieparfuum
Brandewyn.
Koerhoere
Back-up singers.
Ponkerlong
‘n Ander woord vir liefdemaak.
Poefdoef
‘n Plaastoilet of longdrop
Troosdoos
‘n Blow up doll.
18 Oct 2011, 13:14 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-277:
Let me remind you.
Here’s one of the earliest entries added to Wayne Barnes’s Wikipedia article on 6 October 2007:
“The final match NZ vs France Semifinal, which he royally screwed, before being lynched by a thousand angry Southern Hemisphere fans.
Angry Kiwis- Hayden, Richard
Is the primary reason the all blacks lost at the earliest stage of any cup they have attended. I wish nothing but pain on suffering on the man and question how the rugby union could let a ref with only 2 years experience over see a match. bad calls from a bad referee.
He suffers from a vision-related disease which results in him being unable to see forward passes.”
Let’s not forget all the death threats that were levelled at Wayne Barnes by New Zealanders. New Zealand’s Prime Minister at the time had to come out and denounce these comments.
Let’s compare it to South Africa’s exit in the quarterfinal.
The first attempted change to Bryce Lawrence’s wikipedia page (quickly undone by a New Zealander) was for the following to be added:
“Lawrence was heavily criticized for his poor referring decisions in the 2011 Rugby World cup semi-final in which South Africa played Australia. His incorrect decisions were overwhelmingly in favour of Australia.”
I have not heard of any death threats by South Africans directed towards Lawrence – have you?
18 Oct 2011, 13:16 pm
@cane(cane)-276: Think Stodders jumped in the Princess’ DB9′er and they eloped on the quiet.
Skeppie; yep age has alot to do with it. I remember the arrogant pain in the a ss that Phil Kearns was, now hes just a pain in the a ss.
18 Oct 2011, 13:17 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-281: There was, at the match on Sunday. Some Bok fans saw Bryce at the game and started threatening and hurling abuse at him, and security had to be called.
18 Oct 2011, 13:18 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-279:
It’s in Greg Growden’s column, yes.
One drunken (allegedly) South African giving Bryce Lawrence a bit of a tongue-lashing?
Still not comparable to the death threats that Wayne Barnes received.
South Africans have moved on (for the most).
18 Oct 2011, 13:20 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-284: Have you read Sheriff, and HG’s comments, to mention a few?
18 Oct 2011, 13:21 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-243: doesn’t the fact that Pdivvy isn’t going to re-apply suggest he had been told not to bother. By the looks of things, i have been scanning the blogs, it’s a two horse race between AC and BV, time will tell i guess
18 Oct 2011, 13:21 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-281: Have you seen the hate lawrence Facebook page?
18 Oct 2011, 13:22 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-285:
Have they been reported in any mainstream news media?
You will always have a few idiots who bear a grudge and mouth off.
But you simply cannot compare the response by Saffas in general to Bryce Lawrence, and the response by Kiwis in the wake of Wayne Barnes’s performance in that quarter-final back in 2007.
And you and the Kiwis on here know it.
18 Oct 2011, 13:23 pm
@BuckT(BuckTrendy)-286: I thought BV said he is not interested? I really hope he changes his mind though. Is he back in contention?
18 Oct 2011, 13:23 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-284: Well at least they arent sending big fat ars ed tragic belly wobbling thugs onto the field to crash tackle refs when things arent going their way…anymore.
18 Oct 2011, 13:23 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-288: Go look at the facebook page.
It is pure venom.
18 Oct 2011, 13:24 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-246: who is Cli Che Guevera, Shave Your Guava’s ugly sister?
18 Oct 2011, 13:25 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-289: not sure, lookin gmore and more like a one horse race at this point…
18 Oct 2011, 13:25 pm
@poppa69(p0ppa69)-258:
Poppa, howzit hanging?
You seem quite sure of the cup staying in NZ.
I have mixed feelings.
Fot the sake of justice and Richie, I hope you guys lift the cup this weekend.
BUT….. wouldn’t it just thicken the plot and intrigue of world rugby if you don’t?
18 Oct 2011, 13:26 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-287:
It’s not a “Hate Lawrence” Facebook page, it’s a “Petition to Stop Bryce Lawrence Ever Reffing A Rugby Game Again” page.
I still see no death threats being mentioned…
Typical biased reporting by the Sydney Morning Herald last week though:
“Rugby fans in the Republic have UNITED against Lawrence, and a Facebook page titled ‘Petition To Stop Bryce Lawrence Ever Reffing A Rugby Game Again’ has attracted an INCREDIBLE 64,827 ‘likes’”
Wow. What a stretch. There are only 65,000 rugby fans in South Africa, eh SMH?
Most South Africans I’ve spoken to are disappointed and are poking fun at Bryce. Most agree it’s time to move on and that’s the way rugby goes.
18 Oct 2011, 13:27 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-288:
I think WP we can compare it.
At this years WC (so far) the most gracious losers have been Australia.
The most ungracious SA…………………………………..by a country mile.
GH and Ritchie have never made one disparaging remark concerning Wayne Barnes.
18 Oct 2011, 13:27 pm
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-290:
Piet van Zyl was a thug.
Most South Africans think he was a bloody idiot.
Don’t forget we banned him from ever attending a rugby match in South Africa again.
But hey, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good generalisation, eh?
18 Oct 2011, 13:27 pm
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-282: i disagree, i think he is just as arrogant, but rather painless
18 Oct 2011, 13:28 pm
@BuckT(BuckTrendy)-286:
B Venter will certainly do a better job than AC, but I’d then strongly suggest he gets assistants in who know the local conditions, Plum and AC / Naka
18 Oct 2011, 13:29 pm
@BuckT(BuckTrendy)-293: And that is not a good thing at all@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-295: Whatever it is, the messages there are not about loving Lawrence at all, and the page made media, with a link. So there. Evidence of the Saffa hatred of Lawrence. You and I are peaceful souls, but don’t generalize about all Saffas, and don’t generalize about all Kiwi’s.
18 Oct 2011, 13:31 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-295:
So one Otago Student hacks Wikipedia with a death threat.
And 64,000 Saffas sign up to a hate blogg.
And we have the problem……………………….yeah right.
18 Oct 2011, 13:32 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-297: Well there you go. One incident that is viewed by one side can be blown up into an international incident without all the facts being known.
18 Oct 2011, 13:32 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-300:
But rossoneri, you cannot compare the volume in the two cases.
I mean, really, with Wayne Barnes the IRB and Helen Clark (the NZ prime minister at the time) had to come out to condemn the death threats and abuse.
Hell, even Jock Hobbs, New Zealand Rugby Union’s chairman at the time blamed Barnes.
This has not been the case here?
It’s like comparing apples and oranges.
18 Oct 2011, 13:32 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-297: i was starting to look out for him in the quater-final, but he never materialized
18 Oct 2011, 13:33 pm
@cane(cane)-296: True. Even when Richie looked like he was breaking inside at that press conference after the loss.
Pdv and John however made all sorts of nasty comments. Goodness, Owen on Boots and All tried to get Pdv to admit that the Boks might have been able to win the match with a well worked drop, and Pdv actually got infuriated saying that there was nothing more the players could have done. Bryce lawrence is the reason they are out. JOhn was never going to take responsibility it seems, saying I tried to talk to him, but he doesn’t listen and made a joke about it.
18 Oct 2011, 13:34 pm
@BuckT(BuckTrendy)-298: Alot of what Kearns says these days is quite tongue in cheek, the aussie sense of humor can be a difficult one at times…it borders on defensive-offensive strategy and the banter that goes on is quite unique.
18 Oct 2011, 13:35 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-303:
And look at it this way:
There are 50 million people in South Africa…and only 5 million in New Zealand.
You would therefore expect a much greater response from Saffas given their greater numbers…
…but it has not been the case…
18 Oct 2011, 13:35 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-303: Okay. The Ab’s supporters were hurt and some of them went too far. What is your point? Saffas are better losers than Kiwi’s? I don’t buy it. Read the posts here from the past week.
18 Oct 2011, 13:36 pm
I would still love a response from Black Panther.
If Bryce was so kak during the 2009 British and Irish Lions and “gifted” South Africa the series…
…well…
…then why was he entrusted with officiating a Rugby World Cup quarter-final?
Eh?
Eh?
18 Oct 2011, 13:37 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-308:
I really hope the All Blacks win this weekend.
A loss by them would make world rugby unbearable.
Can you imagine…
18 Oct 2011, 13:38 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-307: Again? What are you trying to say. It is suspiciously sounding like you’re saying South African’s are better losers, more gracious in defeat than Kiwi’s? I DON’T BUY IT.
18 Oct 2011, 13:38 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-297:
Piet van zyl is a hero in SA.
a life size cut out poster of him sits proudly next to the fireplace in every SA home.
So too that of Geo Cronje, Andre Markgraaf and Louis Koen (the latter still confuses most of us.)
Piet is planning a come-back and has already had a few practice runs at schools rugby in the Eastern Cape. Apparently he’s in good shape and has just had his new gumguards fitted for the big occasion.
Steve is in on the loop and is writing a balade in honour of Piet
18 Oct 2011, 13:39 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-307:
True.
“There are 50 million people in South Africa…and only 5 million in New Zealand”.
And we still kick your arses more often than not.
We are The Mouse That Roared.
8)
18 Oct 2011, 13:39 pm
I think it is good planning and logical to be prepared for if they win the RWC, i really think they have this in the bag, I give France a 20% chance of winning.
18 Oct 2011, 13:40 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-309: I don’t remember Saffas hating Bryce that day huh? Just too busy celebrating a win. Bryce is unpredictable, which is why I hate him. The Aussies had a go at him after the Ireland game, and were tjoep still after the Bok game. The Bokke were happy with him after the BIL series, and now are crying about him because of the Qter Final.
18 Oct 2011, 13:41 pm
@cane(cane)-313:
Absolutely.
I will gladly conceed that the All Blacks are the best rugby-playing nation in the world.
Given their limited population – staggeringly so.
I admire the way they play, and I’ll be rooting for them.
It’s just some of your population that are proper tossers and need to be taken on!
18 Oct 2011, 13:41 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-303:
The kiwis have been bad losers over the past 24 years.
They have invented excuses and tried to spin everything in their favour.
Fact is they have choked and could not do the business when it mattered.
This week they have a chance to correct that, but if they don’t, they should accept it graciously and with some humilty
18 Oct 2011, 13:41 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-314: I give France 50%, as always. They cannot be underestimated ever!
18 Oct 2011, 13:42 pm
@Helen(Helen)-312:
Piet van zyl is a uniquely SA guy.
To my knowledge, no other Rugby Nation can claim one as stupid as he.
18 Oct 2011, 13:42 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-303: how about Andre Watsons outburst?
18 Oct 2011, 13:42 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-315:
Some of us try to be objective
18 Oct 2011, 13:43 pm
@Helen(Helen)-317: Like you were gracious all week huh Helen? Accusations of match fixing and how Proff Noakes has a point huh? So gracious of you. Excellent excuse for the Bok loss. The ref. So original.
18 Oct 2011, 13:43 pm
@cane(cane)-313:
5 million new zealanders
but only 3 new zealanders in the national team
shocking!
18 Oct 2011, 13:44 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-322:
Huh?
What’s wrong with saying Noakes has a point?
Grow up, tonsil!
18 Oct 2011, 13:44 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-318:
I agree with you Lilly.
France is France. As soon as you forget that, you are pharked. (please forgive my language).
18 Oct 2011, 13:44 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-321: You do. But do not throw that blanket on the rest of your countrymen. They most assuredly do not.
18 Oct 2011, 13:44 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-320:
Outburst?
Watson (on Bryce): “His opening game (at the World Cup) was outstanding. I had no problem with his appointment.”
“But he allowed a free-for-all.”
“It’s not what you would expect from a referee of his calibre – he didn’t referee the breakdown the way he was supposed to. He just didn’t step in.”
“He will be punished, but that’s up to the IRB. I do not believe we will see him in any Rugby World Cup (ever) again.”
You call that an outburst?
18 Oct 2011, 13:45 pm
@Helen(Helen)-323:
Name the 12 who are not Helen?
18 Oct 2011, 13:46 pm
@cane(cane)-319:
..and we have 2!!
you have abviously not seen the Player 23 campaign, have you?
Thought not.
For your sake, I hope your little mud patch has something to celebrate this weekend. You can only milk the Edmund Hillary feat for so many decades and then a new hero is needed
18 Oct 2011, 13:46 pm
@Helen(Helen)-317: Choked ? sorry which WC defending chumps are sitting at home in SA after being strangled out by the Aussies…..Boks.(who are now ranked number four)….and now dont contradict your self by blaming the ref.
You realise of course that after the french get a whupping on Sunday there is no where in the course of rugby history that the Boks have beaten us and never will be in our lifetimes!!!! God that is a good feeling ***
18 Oct 2011, 13:46 pm
@Helen(Helen)-324: Did you see your Noakesy wearing an All Blacks jersey on Sunday on Master plan? I’m sure he was thinking about you when he got dressed that morning.
NOAKS IS AN ARSE. ALWAYS WAS, BUT MY CONSIDERATION FOR HIM SUNK TO A NEW LOW, WHEN HE PRESUMED HE WAS SPECIAL ENOUGH TO WARRANT A CALL FOR THE IRB TO INVESTIGATE LAWRENCE.
18 Oct 2011, 13:46 pm
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-306: when i mentioned painless, i was actually referring to the fact that i quite enjoy listening to his commentary and find a lot of what the aussies say amusing. I particulary appreciate their ability to make fun at themselves
18 Oct 2011, 13:47 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-288: but arent you generalising that the person responsible for issuing death threats to Barnes was speaking “on behlaf of all kiwis” ?
@Helen(Helen)-294: post 258 wasnt mine helen, thers an imposter doing the rounds… when you hit the respond arrow, you will see the name im brackets has a zero in place of the first nought… I have mailed the moderator so will see what happens..
18 Oct 2011, 13:48 pm
@cane(cane)-328:
“Name the 12 who are not Helen?”
Well, if you insist, Richie is not Helen, Kevin is not Helen, Dan is not Helen, Mils is not Helen…. arggghhhh… I am getting bored trying to teach a kiwi the names of his team
…go to I KNOW NOTHING PLEASE HELP ME DOT COM
18 Oct 2011, 13:48 pm
In any event, good luck to the All Blacks.
I really hope you win, and by a great margin.
This French side does not deserve to be in the World Cup final.
The All Blacks deserve it.
18 Oct 2011, 13:49 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-316: I agree with you. Every country has proper tossers that need to be “taken on”. Just be aware that we in SA have our fair share too.
18 Oct 2011, 13:49 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-316:
“It’s just some of your population that are proper tossers and need to be taken on!
You mean like Helen, HG, Porra, etc…………
8)
18 Oct 2011, 13:50 pm
@Helen(Helen)-334: Are you drunk or just still in pain from the events of Sunday the 9th?
18 Oct 2011, 13:51 pm
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-330:
This is what I love about Australasians.
They have such a special way of showing humility
Brings tears to my eyes and makes my labia swell inexplicably!
18 Oct 2011, 13:51 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-327:
“He will be punished, but that’s up to the IRB. I do not believe we will see him in any Rugby World Cup (ever) again.”
so Andre knows this how? or is he trying to persuade the IRB to punish him? why would he even come out and say things like that, did Andre appreciate it when people commented on his reffing? just saying, surely as someone who has been in the situation he should have handled it better? smacks of sour grapes from Andre imo..
18 Oct 2011, 13:52 pm
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-306: I love the Aussie commentators and most esspecially Greg Martin. Yes you read correctly. Greg Martin. He is biased on a special level which is so hysterically funny.
18 Oct 2011, 13:52 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-254:
so you’re agreed that kiwi bryce is a referees drunken, crack smoking, hillbrow cross-dressing boyfriend’s yellow ball sack then….and that he screwed us out of a wc…good…i’m glad we’re agreed.
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-280:
nice
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-281:
sweet…tsk, tsk…
18 Oct 2011, 13:53 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-335:
Deserve it or not,
They are in it.
I for one,
can see the engraver etching France on Bill.
The possibility is not as remote as the soothsayers indicate.
18 Oct 2011, 13:53 pm
Oh dear lord.
Please don’t tell me we are comparing who is better at slating refs?
18 Oct 2011, 13:53 pm
Oh dear lord.
Please don’t tell me we are comparing who is better at slating refs?
18 Oct 2011, 13:53 pm
@cane(cane)-337:
Cane, you couldn’t take me on if you wore brass ball protectors and a coat of shiny armour.
Sadly, you will again see your hairy little sphincter here on keo and leave with your tail between your legs.
18 Oct 2011, 13:54 pm
Hmmm…
In case you missed it the first time I guess.
18 Oct 2011, 13:55 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-342: of course Bryce is, its the way we planned him to officiate…
now he can retire comfortable in the knowledge that he fulfilled his dads email wishes…
18 Oct 2011, 13:56 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-344:
It’s a tight competition, but I think SA are leading the race at the moment.
18 Oct 2011, 13:57 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-348:
“Get the Yarpies”???
18 Oct 2011, 13:57 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-349:
Haha, I will check in for updates then.
Money is on SA to win this one.
Well that is unless the unthinkable happens and NZ lose on Sunday for which the odds would swing considerably I’d imagine…
18 Oct 2011, 13:58 pm
@cane(cane)-319: come on cane, that’s a bit harsh, lets not forget those articles about the kiwi hate vibe that was marring the World Cup….
18 Oct 2011, 13:59 pm
@Helen(Helen)-346:
please I’m eating a salad with artichoke hearts in it.
lets leave caners sphinctre in lower butt were it belongs.
anyway, he is one of the good guys.
18 Oct 2011, 14:00 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-351:
Absolutely!!!
18 Oct 2011, 14:01 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-318: thats why i give them 20% chance. You are blinded by nerves lolololol, 50% of froggies winning is not realistic.
18 Oct 2011, 14:04 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-353:
Gunth, I will take your word for it.
You are such an awesome, incredible, wonderful and complete individual (hope Langers is reading) that I will trust you if you say so
18 Oct 2011, 14:04 pm
Am waiting for Mpundi to come along and say the froggies are favorites
18 Oct 2011, 14:04 pm
Theres no chance or even remotest possibility of France winning this wc. NZ are the form team and they should win by at least 20 points….
unless, of course, the “other” French team pitches up….
18 Oct 2011, 14:05 pm
CANE, on the respected guidance of Gunth, I am offering you a finger that smells of month old snoek, as a peace offering…
will you accept?
18 Oct 2011, 14:08 pm
@Slappes(Slappes)-358:
If the Frogs are still in it with 10 mins to go, the Kiiws will get extra nervous and revert to a conservative game plan. That could be their undoing.
This French side is far from the best they’ve ever produced. They have also played like a tier 2 nation during this RWC. The kiwis on the other hand, seem invincible.
If we’re to have an upset, this will be the biggest ever and they’ll make a movie about it called Invictus Plus
18 Oct 2011, 14:12 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-350: lol that be the one
18 Oct 2011, 14:14 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-355: Tree, everyone said the English would get rid of the French, they were wrong. Then they said Wales would easily get rid of the French, they were wrong again.
France is in that final on Sunday, and way too close to the cup, to play that rubbish rugby they tend to. They are very quiet this week, which is a sign that they are cooking something scary for Sunday. Ab’s cannot, will not, and dare not take them lightly.
18 Oct 2011, 14:16 pm
@Slappes(Slappes)-358: That’s why I said 50/50 Slappes. That other French side can show up.
18 Oct 2011, 14:18 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-362: But we will have 15 men on the field – hoepfully !! – i think imo this is the worst french side to grace a WC – the final will be a white wash – Abs by 20
18 Oct 2011, 14:20 pm
I wouldn’t mind seeing Paul Treu in the mix. He has developed a reputation as a straight shooting coach who has a good rapport with his players without sacrificing his authority. Although his coaching experience has been with the sevens team he played 15s at the top level. With good technical support he could nbe a serious contender.
18 Oct 2011, 14:22 pm
@BuckT(BuckTrendy)-352: I”m guessing Cane is over his Kill Barnes episode then.
18 Oct 2011, 14:24 pm
@stew(stew)-364:
TThe French need to be unconventional.
That is their only hope
If they play a normal game, they will suffer.
With the NZ back three being in such incredible form, the French will be forced to run from everywhere instead.
Expect the French to not kick at all…
18 Oct 2011, 14:25 pm
Paul Treu??? omw …. why don’t we get Gary Kirsten while you at it!!! 7′s & the 15 man game is TOTALLY different! just ask Fiji
18 Oct 2011, 14:29 pm
@BuckT(BuckTrendy)-298: Greg Martin for me is the worst of the lot….I think Philly boy is actually quite witty
18 Oct 2011, 14:30 pm
@BuckT(BuckTrendy)-286: PdV said on Boots n’ All, if he is appointed to do the job again he “will take it because it will mean God is not finished working through him”
now, where do you get that AC & BV are favourites?
18 Oct 2011, 14:33 pm
Transformation – Then God must be a Springbok hater!
18 Oct 2011, 14:33 pm
The success / failure of this world cup can be determined by the final.
Overall, I think it could’ve been the best ever tourney if it weren’t for the refereeing debacle.
The pool games produced the best rugby seen in a long time.
The playoffs were niggly, ill disciplined, not entertaining and badly ref’d.
The final could make up for all of that and tilit the scales back to ‘best ever’!
18 Oct 2011, 14:33 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-370:
The decision for the next Bok coach might surprise quite a few people.
18 Oct 2011, 14:34 pm
@cane(cane)-296: you are talking kak, most ungracious losers? um what about the plonker who called nigel owens a “racist”?
18 Oct 2011, 14:36 pm
where’s Langers and ET when you need them?
this avi is as exciting as a dutch torture chamber
18 Oct 2011, 14:36 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-370:
so?
nobody has told divvie he is out on his arse?
no suprise there.
18 Oct 2011, 14:37 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-373: Do you know something we don’t?
18 Oct 2011, 14:37 pm
@poppa69(p0ppa69)-368: Or the All Blacks and their sevens team? Being successful at one does not preclude success in the other. The basic ingredients for success are the same – good management skills, vision, conviction, creativity, determination, courage, etc. Actually Gary might not be such a bad idea, after all.
Treu had plenty of rugby experience as a superrugby player. He knows the game.
18 Oct 2011, 14:38 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-373:
you also heard that Joost is asking for a 4 year contract?
18 Oct 2011, 14:39 pm
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-369: Martin is the worst. He commentates like a 12 year old fan.
18 Oct 2011, 14:39 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-370:
By “G_d”, he meant Oregan, right?
18 Oct 2011, 14:45 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-370: Remind me to have a word with God, when I see him next.
18 Oct 2011, 14:46 pm
@Slappes(Slappes)-358: We have hidden their anti depressants so were safe.
18 Oct 2011, 14:50 pm
The French want to lose…its how they are…because they hate their coach…their brains are ruled by emotion and the outcome will be AB’s 20+
18 Oct 2011, 14:51 pm
Now that I have time to converse, this place is as dead as a suicide bomber in a mustard gas factory
WHERE IS EVERYONE??
18 Oct 2011, 14:52 pm
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-384: Yep, the French could even surrender to themselves.
18 Oct 2011, 14:52 pm
@Helen(Helen)-385:
Must be happy hour at the crack house in Bellville
18 Oct 2011, 14:55 pm
you know keo dot com is dying like an ageing french prostitute on acid when all you have to talk to is little old captain fantail
18 Oct 2011, 14:55 pm
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-378: dont fall for the imposter..
18 Oct 2011, 14:58 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-376: excuse me, for PdV to be able to get re-appointed he will have to re-apply…i have a sneaking suspicion he is going to apply again.
18 Oct 2011, 15:00 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-390:
I mentioned this elsewhere.
Are we the only country where the national coaching job for rugby is advertised?
It seems most other country’s approach the best candidate and offer them the position?
Or have I got this wrong?
18 Oct 2011, 15:00 pm
@Helen(Helen)-381: didn’t know PdV prayed tp Regan…either way that’s what the man said amongst other infuriating things.
18 Oct 2011, 15:01 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-391:
How do you determine who is the best candidate?
and WHO determines this?
18 Oct 2011, 15:02 pm
@Helen(Helen)-393:
The organisation I would guess?
I mean this guy’s performances reflects directly on them.
18 Oct 2011, 15:03 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-392:
Was he speaking English?
You sure somthing didn’t get lost in the translation?
He could merely have said that he has a wart on his poopol and wants Naas to have a look at it, you never know
18 Oct 2011, 15:03 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-389: I can tell the imposter by his posts. How did he ever get the nic scam to work?
18 Oct 2011, 15:03 pm
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-386: They already have ….they conceded the right to wear their colors.
A Samurai who throws away his scabbard in the expectation of a duel is already dead.
18 Oct 2011, 15:04 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-348:
hehehe
oh pops,
now you’re just making me hate to love you as much as i love to hate you…hehe
18 Oct 2011, 15:05 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-394:
What I’m getting at is that you have to use some way of determining who is 1) Available 2) Qualified and 3) will fit with the goals of the organisation.
Applications and interviews might be the best way to do this.
In SA, if a coach is just appointed, I am sure there’ll be backhanders, hand-offs and who knows what else to get the job
18 Oct 2011, 15:05 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-370: Seriously! Seriously! OMG!!!!!!
18 Oct 2011, 15:06 pm
@Helen(Helen)-388: Hmmm a labia that talks…you should take it on tour…ooops already forgot thats all you have done..oh well…time for some sutures I guess.
18 Oct 2011, 15:07 pm
Too boring good night ya all.
18 Oct 2011, 15:08 pm
So the All Blacks have already won this Rigged World Cup on home soil?
Ticker tape parades…
Speeches already written…
Choreography complete…
Pity they can only win on home soil it seems, with more than a little help from the 16th man.
In comparison Wobblies and Boks can win a WC anywhere it seems. If allowed to.
18 Oct 2011, 15:09 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-394:
I still feel that we should appoint as follows:
The best provincial side of the year becomes the de facto springbok squad, coach, captain, players, etc.
That coach then has the right to draw players from other squads to fill in weak spots.
That is really what happened with Kitch in ’95.
Personally, I think some of the provincial squads could give the Boks a run for their money. The combinations are proven, the momentum and self belief is there and the game plan is already practiced and proven and the coach knows what he’s working with.
18 Oct 2011, 15:09 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-390:
he can apply for all he wants.
All I am saying is that IF they had decided on the next coach already then they certainly wouldn’t tell divvie that.
18 Oct 2011, 15:10 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-373: Pissant you sound like a man with inside info. C’mon….spill the beans!
18 Oct 2011, 15:11 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-403:
HG, howzit girlfriend?
18 Oct 2011, 15:12 pm
Yup, ABs can only win a Rigged World Cup on home soil…
Its in the bag.
Joubert is primed.
France will perform but its going to be like walking in quicksand… the more they play, the more they will be penalised…
I wont be surprised if a couple of Frenchman get yellow cards, at convenient times…Just as extra insurance. On the other hand Reechie Club Foot will have a get out of jail free card…
Paddy’s instructions.
18 Oct 2011, 15:12 pm
@Helen(Helen)-407: What? Is HG a chick? Dang! My mistake.
18 Oct 2011, 15:12 pm
@Helen(Helen)-407: Huzzit, sexy thang!
18 Oct 2011, 15:13 pm
Sheriff out, HG in. Whingeing souls in unision.
Like husband and wife.
Duh.
18 Oct 2011, 15:13 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-405:
Gunth, welcome back you horse!
who’s your choice for coach / captain post 2011?
You strike me as a Plum / Burger kinda guy?
It’s like a normal burger, but with slices of plum instead of meat
18 Oct 2011, 15:15 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-410:
I’m ok, just bleeding like a dogfight in an abatoir again… ho hum
18 Oct 2011, 15:16 pm
@Helen(Helen)-399:
In that sense the world of rugby is relatively small. You know who is available or their contract lengths and if you don’t, you will know their agents so phone them.
Also, I think knowing who is qualified is pretty easy – it’s not like the guy can lie on his CV – his results are public domain.
So when you approach a guy with an offer you will come from a platform of knowing what you want, what the individual currently has or does, what you expect from him and you make him an offer which you negotiate if need be.
Perhaps I am oversimplifying the issue but it makes sense to me.
18 Oct 2011, 15:17 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-391: i don’t know abou the advertising bit, but in 2008 deans had also made himself available to coach the All Blacks, how he did that i’m not sure – did he call a media conference or did he send a letter to the NZRU stating his desire to coach?
18 Oct 2011, 15:17 pm
@Nils(Nils)-411:
be careful of name calling on here.
Gunth will sort you out with a quick spray of his horse ****.
Your face will look like a glazed fruit, my friend.
18 Oct 2011, 15:17 pm
@Helen(Helen)-412:
a plumb-burger?
whose plums are we talking?
you know lists don’t turn me on.
I would say Victor for Coach and Jon Smit for Captain.
18 Oct 2011, 15:17 pm
@Nils(Nils)-411: When your Absolute Awesome ABs can win a RWC on foreign soil then you can come talk to me… A Rugby invitational and an obviously Rigged one are a bit lightweight don’t you think?
But anyway, your boys have won it already… France absolutely cant win – its not in the script.
Wonder if all the ticker tape preparations are sorted?
18 Oct 2011, 15:18 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-414:
Ja, you are right.
Who do you think will get the job?
18 Oct 2011, 15:18 pm
@Helen(Helen)-413: Sounds tasty.
18 Oct 2011, 15:18 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-406:
Well if rumours are to be believed, the new coach will be South African (that should not surprise anyone), he will come with Super Rugby, CC Rugby and international rugby experience also – but that’s all I am going to say for now as rumours have a kak way of blowing up in your face.
18 Oct 2011, 15:18 pm
@Nils(Nils)-411:
no e Neels
18 Oct 2011, 15:20 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-391: in anycase i think they do it for “transparency” purposes, you know how everything in our country can be attributed to race, third force or malema
18 Oct 2011, 15:21 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-423:
Good point Trans.
18 Oct 2011, 15:22 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-421: So that knocks out Brendan Venter and Mallet. Also Heynecke Meyer.
Coetzee, Erasmus and Smal seem to fit your bill.
18 Oct 2011, 15:22 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-421:
AC or Rassie.
18 Oct 2011, 15:23 pm
@Helen(Helen)-416:
The microscope must me very huge to see my small “name calling” in universal kak here. 
Besides, he must own a rocket to deliver that thing that far.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-418: Ag, just shut up for a moment and take deep breath before you embarrass yourself till the level of Sheriff, he already has reached point of no return, losing the plot completely.
18 Oct 2011, 15:24 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-425:
Mallet, Venter and Heyneke (to a lesser extent) has all made themselves unavailable already.
18 Oct 2011, 15:24 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-423:
indeed.
I see the mshinniweenee says there was a plot to kill him.
don’thinkjustwonder.
18 Oct 2011, 15:25 pm
@Nils(Nils)-427: Embarrassing is “Organising a ticker tape parade before the Competition is over”
18 Oct 2011, 15:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-430: Yes, it is. You are right.
You could stop right there and all would have been fine,
18 Oct 2011, 15:27 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-400: why are you laughing
you also watched the program.
18 Oct 2011, 15:28 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-421: Mmmmmmmhhhh. It gets interesting. I think we all knew it would not be a forgein coach. SA is just not the kinda country where that would work, or like some say. SA is not ready for that. Ok. It narrows the field substantially.
Are you saying they have already approached this coach and are in talks. Off the record ofcourse.
18 Oct 2011, 15:28 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-425:
Small will not get it.
Apparently he brings too much baggage what with the acrimonious break up with Christina Storm and all those ggay rumours about. Also has limited coaching experience, but hey! anyone but Divvy, I say!
18 Oct 2011, 15:29 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-428: Mallet in line for England, Venter and Heynecke happy where they are at the moment.
So:
AC + Rassie as a package
Gert
Wildcard (Not sure about his Int credentials i.e. whether he has helped out the Boks behind the scenes):
Naka
Theron has no S15 experience so he can’t be in your picture.
So Gert is the surprise?
18 Oct 2011, 15:29 pm
@Nils(Nils)-411:
its the world in union baby…
18 Oct 2011, 15:29 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-436:
Spot on.
18 Oct 2011, 15:30 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-432: I must have missed the reference to the man upstairs. I recall just getting annoyed with Pdv’s answers.
18 Oct 2011, 15:30 pm
@Helen(Helen)-434: Smal, not Small, darlingk…
18 Oct 2011, 15:30 pm
@Nils(Nils)-431:
Quite a spontaneous celebration that will be, right?
Kiwi humility = military intelligence.
18 Oct 2011, 15:30 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-370:
From God, where do you think he got it.
18 Oct 2011, 15:31 pm
@Helen(Helen)-440: I am sorry, I did not follow your train of thoughts.
Must be my poor English.
18 Oct 2011, 15:32 pm
@Nils(Nils)-431: Embarrassing is screaming poverty while the “most successful” WC “ever” is being held in your country…
18 Oct 2011, 15:32 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-435: Gert said in a tv interview that he is happy with Ireland, maybe they bent his arm.
18 Oct 2011, 15:33 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-439:
However you spell his name, I think James is a poor choice, surprise or no surprise
18 Oct 2011, 15:33 pm
@Helen(Helen)-434: Hahahahahahaha. Gert Smal
18 Oct 2011, 15:34 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-443: Geez, not this again. Why you just cannot stop moan for a minute?
Plus, Kiwiland is not my country, if you have not noticed that small thing.
18 Oct 2011, 15:34 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-433:
Some folks in SA Rugby has a candidate on a wishlist, I suppose its now up to negotiations between the parties whether we will see them get him.
But I must be off now folks.
Chat later.
18 Oct 2011, 15:34 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-444: What do you care Caped Crusader… Your team is in the final and having a ticker tape parade organised for the expected win :lol;
18 Oct 2011, 15:35 pm
@Helen(Helen)-445: Gert.
18 Oct 2011, 15:35 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-446:
Has he changed his name since the break-up?
I would too. I hear Christina has a little ‘boil your rabbit’ temper on her
“GERT” is a name that would’ve thrown her off his trail.
Good thinking by James
18 Oct 2011, 15:37 pm
@Nils(Nils)-447: Sorry, will the big Sheep farm of the Pacific do?
18 Oct 2011, 15:37 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-448: Yep, also the deputy coaches will be pretty important too. Balance and all that.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-449: Yeah, thanks for the reminder I was wondering why I was in such an excellent mood these past 10 days.
18 Oct 2011, 15:38 pm
@Nils(Nils)-447:
Must admit, none of us noticed that ‘small thing’.
Maybe try unzipping your fly and hanging a magnifying glass from your buckle?
Just a thought
18 Oct 2011, 15:39 pm
@Helen(Helen)-451:
you’re a funny lady.
18 Oct 2011, 15:40 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-453:
“deputy coaches”???? WTF?
This is rugby, not some John Wayne remake.
we call them “assistants”
18 Oct 2011, 15:41 pm
@Nils(Nils)-437:
18 Oct 2011, 15:41 pm
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-396: not sure how hes superceded it… perhaps he works for Highbury Safika media?
18 Oct 2011, 15:42 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-452: You know what, at least Sheriff’s incessant pomposity is sometimes worth of a good laugh, here I see nothing but bitterness every single time. You must look much older than your passport says.
And that’s a pity. Because you have many valid points and interesting things to say, but this childish sourness kills everything.
18 Oct 2011, 15:42 pm
@Helen(Helen)-456: This time Saru must get them badges and cow boy hats! In green and gold.
18 Oct 2011, 15:43 pm
So, it has been 4 days since the release.
I believe both copies of Butch’s book have sold out in the first 3 days.
Anyone here read it?
18 Oct 2011, 15:44 pm
@Helen(Helen)-404:
No.
Thats not how national squad should be selected. Because that method can lead to a multitude of deficiencies and imbalances.
ex:
-Certain provincial sides/unions following a “thought pattern” linked to their region or specific sector of region but not conjusive to the rest of the country nor SA embodiment of a representative(not only colour based) national squad.(ethos)
-Combinations/skills sets employed at club or provincial level not up to standard at international level.
-Such a selection criteria is open to manipulation/formation of player cabals etc even more so the current trend which is already problematic.
-We have seen to a certain extent in the past that certain selection criteria NOT work at international level.(Kitch Christie era was still AMATEUR era and with all due respect there are more dynamics that exist now at pro level)-ex: Saders ala NZ under Wayne Smith…FAIL,Woodward post wc Leicester Tigerspseudo England..FAIL,Brumbies-esque Eddie Jones Wallabies FAIL, Mallett’s WP Boks 1999-2000…FAIL…etc there are more.
Plenty more examples.
Look at Graham Henry AB’s most successful side in history in 8 year period.This weekend they shall put stamp on that when they become RWC Champs.They are the most varied when it comes to selection,have been throughout tenure with a 87% win ratio. Crusaders have been the most successful NZ side in same period but only Owen Franks,Thorn,McCaw,Read,Carter have been contasts.
Look at OZ who won 3N but only players who were constants in selection were: Genia,Cooper,Horwill,Samo,Ioane. Not a real Reds all out selection.
That type of selection criteria is a cop out. Too many factors that play a part in selection, results,gameplans,leadership dynamics etc to simplify it to that.
18 Oct 2011, 15:45 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-460:
Good idea!
instead of walking on to the park, they can ride spotted apache horses to the melody of some honky tonk banjo tune. Beats the haka hands down!
18 Oct 2011, 15:46 pm
@Helen(Helen)-454: You are relatively new one here I guess, so it’s forgiveable.
Anyway, cheers.
18 Oct 2011, 15:47 pm
@David(David)-441: pdv said God is using him “through the Boks to bring joy and happiness to many people in this country, did you know some people were using their food (sic) money to buy Bok jerseys instead? that’s how much this team has united people”
if he gets it again, the all the glory to the Most High
18 Oct 2011, 15:47 pm
@Helen(Helen)-461: His mom and dad scooped it up? Bet they waited in line, gave them the edge on Keo, Ryan and JC.
18 Oct 2011, 15:48 pm
@Helen(Helen)-463: I kinda like the idea.
18 Oct 2011, 15:49 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-462:
I bow down to your superior knowledge.
…and with that I withdraw my ill advised suggestion, never to be mentioned again.
*blushing*
18 Oct 2011, 15:50 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-466:
I am assuming that’s it then?
…until the movie comes out
18 Oct 2011, 15:54 pm
do people really want France to win or is this just counter-trolling? surely we want to cup to stay in the SH? France are also “hondkak” and it would be a sad situation if they actually won this thing, AB’s far more deserving
18 Oct 2011, 15:55 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-465:
The question is: is PdVs God black, or All Black?
18 Oct 2011, 15:57 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-470: I agree. As much as it hurts me to see the ABs win it, reality is they are most deserving of it.
Plus it means the 3 Nations retains its credibility.
18 Oct 2011, 15:58 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-470: world cups are not about who is “deserving” Italy won the Soccer World Cup after being hondkak for 2 years and barely qualifying. Greece won the 2004 Euro from nowhere.
18 Oct 2011, 15:59 pm
@David(David)-471: eish, you’ve been living in SA for too long, race issues
18 Oct 2011, 15:59 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-470:
Whoever wins the cup will be the best team.
If the kiwis can’t win at home against this poor French side, they don’t deserve it
18 Oct 2011, 16:02 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-474:
Of course, God could be a she. Gender issues.
18 Oct 2011, 16:04 pm
as a kiwi I think its time we stop the harassment of Fraid Cooper..
after all, if we’d known he was playing for us all along (like Brycie was reffing for us) then we would have cheered him on the field..
with respect and gratitude
A.N. Other kiwi rugby fan..
18 Oct 2011, 16:05 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-465: I had a bad feeling right after our loss to the Aussies when every one was first discussing a new coach, right after when he said he will see his contract through and then later on denying he had resigned.
Jeez i dont want to be horrible but please no not him again.
18 Oct 2011, 16:08 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-478:
Personally, I don’t think Divvy has been given a chance.
We should judge him and Smit on at least 3 world cups.
If by then, they don’t have the silverware to show for their efforts, then by all means, fire him on the spot with no notice period and only a small pension payout
18 Oct 2011, 16:09 pm
@Helen(Helen)-479: will John Smit still be able to run around the field in another 8 years time? PDV loves his aura, so you know he would be the no. 1 no. 2..
18 Oct 2011, 16:11 pm
According to the SuperSport website, Liebel allegedly claimed on Facebook that IRB manager of referees, O’Brien, had already won the World Cup for New Zealand.
oh somebody is in trouble
18 Oct 2011, 16:14 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-470:
we just want to make a strong point against bad refereeing…
ergo: france to take it (this is in the best interests of all nations concerned even though bad ref’s are exclusively a kiwi problem).
18 Oct 2011, 16:16 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-482: “exclusively”?
Brilliant. Who called then Owens, Dickenson, Clancy, etc. etc. etc. (yawn…) etc. etc. KAK referees?
18 Oct 2011, 16:18 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-482: shame that same strong point was the focal point of laughter 4 years ago?
why the sudden turnaround ? now ?
18 Oct 2011, 16:18 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-478: why you don’t want Divvy babe?
18 Oct 2011, 16:20 pm
@stew(stew)-481: in trouble for what, libel?
18 Oct 2011, 16:21 pm
@stew(stew)-481:
Extremely unfortunate…
…Paddy will make sure that SARU and Liebel are fined…
18 Oct 2011, 16:22 pm
@Nils(Nils)-483: Poppa
18 Oct 2011, 16:22 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-486:
18 Oct 2011, 16:24 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-487: why would SARU be fined for what their fitness guy says on Facebook? were Samoa fined for what that idiot said on his personal Twitter acc.?
18 Oct 2011, 16:26 pm
there once was a ref named Bryce
whose loyalty came at a price
when a team clad in black
handed him a fat stack
he forsake his oath, not once but twice
18 Oct 2011, 16:26 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-490:
SARU were fined when the Springbok team wore “Justice4″ armbands…
18 Oct 2011, 16:27 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-485: Is it not self evident. I’m with Treehugger. Another 4 years of Pdv cannot seriously be tolerated.
18 Oct 2011, 16:28 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-492: Didn’t they get some rich guy to pick up the tab for them?
18 Oct 2011, 16:29 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-491: Are you saying that he cooked the game and would rather his team play the second ranked team Aus, rather than the third ranked team SA?
18 Oct 2011, 16:30 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-494:
yes, bryce lawrence with all his “earnings”
18 Oct 2011, 16:30 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-488: Good one.
18 Oct 2011, 16:32 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-495:
yes, they would rather have played the team that hasn’t won on kiwi soil for the last 14 years and not the other side that has won games quite recently….
18 Oct 2011, 16:32 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-493: i need your expert opinion on something.
the currie cup referees have been announced and as one who is adept at predicting games based on who the ref is, can you call these for me?
thanks
Transie
” Peyper will take charge of the WP/Lions clash in Johannesburg and will be partnered by Stuart Berry and Cobus Wessels. Jonker will officiate the Sharks/Cheetahs game in Durban and will have Pro Legoete and Marc van Zyl as his assistants.”
18 Oct 2011, 16:33 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-491:
there once was a ref named bryce.
kiwi nogal, who let pocock off thrice
said saffas sad,
he farken makes me mad
and the aussies, who benefitted, thought nice,
he can shag our stephanie rice…
18 Oct 2011, 16:36 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-500:
Quade Cooper might have something to say about that…
…oh, and according to Rice the Springboks are “faggots”.
18 Oct 2011, 16:37 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-487:
for what?
wasn’t he the guy that fukkedup over the supplements?
18 Oct 2011, 16:39 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-500: ****** attempt. And that’s being kind.
No, I’m serious. That was rubbish.
No really.
18 Oct 2011, 16:42 pm
Wales coach Warren Gatland has admitted that he was so stunned as losing his inspirational captain Sam Warburton to a red card that he considered faking an injury to create uncontested scrums.
Warburton went off in the 18th minute of Saturday’s 9-8 semifinal loss to France for a dangerous tip tackle on winger Vincent Clerc and Gatland admits that he considered cheating by depowering his scrum in the World Cup semifinal against France.
Wales had already lost prop Adam Jones to a calf injury when Warburton trudged off after referee Alain Rolland made a snap decision to expel him on the spot.
“We’d already lost Adam Jones, and we discussed in the box, could we fake an injury to one of our props to go to uncontested scrums?”
Gatland admitted Tuesday after naming his team to face Australia in Friday’s third-place match. “But morally, I made the decision that that wasn’t the right thing to do.”
18 Oct 2011, 16:44 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-503:
go easy on the big guy
creative talent needs to be nurtured.
18 Oct 2011, 16:46 pm
@Nils(Nils)-483:
yes, but its a kiwi problem cos p o’b is the boss and bryce’s dad was the nz head…you know the saying ‘a fish rots from the head down’…
@poppa69(poppa69)-484:
come on pops…you know it takes a while for things to set in here in the republic before we spring into action…i mean, just look at our rugby…
18 Oct 2011, 16:46 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-501: forgotten that fraid was her man…
@>^..^< katman(katman)-503: your applause is appreciated and acknowledged
18 Oct 2011, 16:47 pm
@Helen(Helen)-479:
you want Grant and skop to have a heart attack dont you lolololol
18 Oct 2011, 16:50 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-499:
you’re coming sieways like a crab transie
18 Oct 2011, 16:53 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-505: Or taken out back with a bucket of water. The world may be a cruel. ugly place, but it doesn’t deserve that.
18 Oct 2011, 16:54 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-506: erm… POB was the IRB chief of officials last time 4 years ago, too, you obviously did not see any problems with him then.
And were Boks in the final here, you would not see any problems with him now, guaranteed.
As long as Boks progress, of course.
18 Oct 2011, 16:56 pm
Anyway, cheers, have a nice evening/morning all.
18 Oct 2011, 16:56 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-510:
wtf are you gonna do with the water?
bath him?
18 Oct 2011, 16:56 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-502: could be, but i definitely know he is the guy who with a straight face said that the GPS was SMIT was as fit last year as he was in 2007!
so to me he is a blatant liar like BP and if he gets fined, screw him!
“John is as ready as ever and in good physical condition,” Liebel told a media gathering on Monday.
Same shape as in 2007
Liebel said data collected on the Bok captain, who has played in all three front row positions in the past two years, showed that he was in the same shape that he was three years ago – when he captained his country to Rugby World Cup glory.
“If you look at the data, in terms of the metres he’s run and the pace he’s run at, it’s really up there – in terms of what we have expected of him.”
Liebel added: “Yes, there has been a big concern over his weight. “However, his weight is what it has been for the past two/three years and his fat percentage.”
Asked if there were any concerns – at all – about Smit’s fitness, Liebel replied: “No, not at all!”
He also said that every Springbok player – measured with the new GPS monitoring system introduced this year – had maintained their body-fat percentage since the last measurements.
There will be those who will question this, considering the obvious bulk being carried by out-of-form scrumhalf Ricky Januarie.
“Each Monday guys get weighed and their fat percentages taken,” said Liebel. “We have a data pile going back to 2006. Bar the occasional kilogram up-or-down, nobody has gained.
“Their fat percentages have all come down since they have been with us on May 30 [this year].”
18 Oct 2011, 16:59 pm
@JL1(JL1)-504: what a silly thing to admit
18 Oct 2011, 17:03 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-515: Its been done before
But in a RWC?, he is also apparently now in a spot of bother
18 Oct 2011, 17:07 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-506: One more thing – you clearly are ungrateful regarding to Bryce.
He handed Boks BIL series on a plate. 1st Test as a ref so many calls in favour of the hosts, 2nd Test as an assistant as Boks should have been reduced to 14 men fro the whole game. And I remember him helping at least Sharkies many times.
You may call him very bad ref, but biased against SA – that’s rich to say the least.
Cheers!
18 Oct 2011, 17:15 pm
@JL1(JL1)-516: ya i would imagine… just so silly and pointless if you know what i mean? not sure what he hoped to get out of saying that.
18 Oct 2011, 17:19 pm
@JL1(JL1)-516: amazingly this is EXACTLY what john mitchell said on masterplan.
18 Oct 2011, 17:25 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-519: what did he say? I could not watch the show in the UK, some silly IP thing blocks me
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-518: Very stupid or naive to admit to discussing the option
18 Oct 2011, 17:27 pm
@Nils(Nils)-517: ..and for that we are grateful, but scrum was blown correct, Paddy said so
18 Oct 2011, 17:28 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-485: Doll !!!
rossie explains it very nicely in post no 493.
18 Oct 2011, 17:32 pm
By Peter Bills
The manner of New Zealand’s demolition of Australia in the Rugby World Cup semifinal was an object lesson to all sides around the world.
The good news for the rest is that countries like South Africa can retain for all time their intensity, their enormous commitment in the set pieces and at the breakdown.
After all, that was, in essence, where the semifinal was won and lost. The Wallabies just couldn’t handle all that power which kept coming at them and never stopped.
But here’s the less good news for the South Africans and other teams in world rugby. You just have to have a game outside your No 10.
You can’t play the modern game with only 10 players, the rest used really only to tackle, defend and catch the high kicks downfield. England and Ireland, too, take note.
It is New Zealand’s firepower up front and outside the forwards which is winning them this 2011 World Cup.
They will take the trophy in Sunday’s final for this very good reason: they are a complete side. Theirs is a game predicated on power, but also on touch and finesse when required. They possess all options.
That is the difference. Under Peter de Villiers, the Springboks were an incomplete side. Still powerful up front, to be sure, but largely deficient outside the scrum because there was never the same intensity or attention to detail on the backs’ play as there was on the forwards’.
This glaring failing came home to roost in the quarter-final of this tournament when the South Africans had the Australians there for the taking but couldn’t finish them off because they lacked the accuracy of execution, a quality earned only through much hard work and practice, required to finish.
That has been the difference between New Zealand and South Africa at this World Cup. On Sunday night, New Zealand spent the first five minutes camped in Australian territory and finally broke them through a dynamic, angled run from fullback Israel Dagg, a searing outside break and brilliant offload that put Ma’a Nonu over.
South Africa haven’t played with that sort of conviction behind the scrum for years because neither Jake White nor Peter de Villiers bothered very much about the backs. How many passes did Bryan Habana get in the 2007 World Cup? One, wasn’t it? And the moment he got it, he was smashed into touch by the drift defence. What scandalous misuse of a glorious talent.
Just imagine how Habana would be playing in this New Zealand outfit.
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The New Zealanders utilise every opportunity to attack out wide, ball in hand. It is one of the key reasons why they will win this World Cup on Sunday. What is more, they thoroughly deserve to win it for they have stayed true to their belief in the creed.
Part of the reason for that is that they have embraced the whole canvas offered on a rugby field, not concentrated merely on a small portion of it. They have given huge commitment up front but freed the ball to allow their threequarters time and space to attack.
There’s the word, attack.
So hard for the French to do in their semifinal but so natural to the New Zealanders …
Under this coaching regime, New Zealand have played some superb 15-a-side rugby since 2007. I count it a privilege to have seen a lot of it in many corners of the world, such as Christchurch, Cardiff, London, Cape Town and Johannesburg.
They have never sacrificed their dedication to immense power and technical excellence up front in every phase. Like the watchmaker, precision is their raison d’etre. But nor have they deserted the other half of their game, that of the backs.
But playing in this way is a philosophy, a mentality. The Springboks haven’t had that mentality for too long now.
New Zealand have been for the better part of four years the best side in world rugby because they are the most complete side.
Other countries may, on occasions, have a part of their game but never the whole.
That is why they will win this World Cup on Sunday night and why they will richly deserve to do so.
The All Blacks are also the cleverest, smartest team around. For most of the past four years and certainly at this World Cup, they have had the referees singing their tune like canaries.
18 Oct 2011, 17:39 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-523: he’s right
18 Oct 2011, 17:44 pm
ouens PLEASE watch this if you want to know the real reason the Bokke lost. You will be shocked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGhWzI_6xK0
18 Oct 2011, 18:02 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-523: The All Blacks are undoubtedly the best team in the world at the moment. I know that you have said you’ll never support the Springboks, but as for me, I do hope they’ll be able to challenge the ABs soon. Depends entirely on the new coaching team.
18 Oct 2011, 18:08 pm
Oscar!
Wheryoubeen!
18 Oct 2011, 18:09 pm
Who gives a damn about this little crappy mud island in the pacific, their rugby grounds are substandard, their referees are pathetic, I love the fact they have already organized a ticker tape parade, I for one will be backing the French.
Sentimental reasons gave NZ the world cup to host, nothing else, they just don’t have the capability to create successful sporting events, this world cup has been a failure as a spectacle, the only reason NZ rugby union survives is because of South Africa that subsidizes them,
To all the Sheep shagging All Black supporters on this blog who constantly slate the Boks, you are pathetic, this is the last time any world cup will be held on your soil.
South Africa will continue again and again to host major sporting events and continue to subsidize your rugby team.
As for the referee, at least you have a proper referee from South Africa, how many kiwi refs have been involved in the world cup final recently, none, they are all to useless, Stuart Dickinson, Paddy O’ Brien, Bryce Lawrence.
Viva la France
18 Oct 2011, 18:12 pm
Maximus you looking for kuk with mpundulu
18 Oct 2011, 18:14 pm
@maximus1(maximus1)-528: thats a maximus cry that one…. fell off my chair laughing at your rant..
do hope you enjoy watching the final, like your bokke team, at home on the couch,,
bwahahahahahaha
18 Oct 2011, 18:16 pm
@maximus1(maximus1)-528: our refs are wonderful, why Bryce “got the jarpies” perfectly…
do you need more tissues?
18 Oct 2011, 18:16 pm
At least at home on the couch there’s no stress
18 Oct 2011, 18:18 pm
@maximus1(maximus1)-528:
As for the referee, at least you have a proper referee from South Africa, how many kiwi refs have been involved in the world cup final recently, none, they are all to useless, Stuart Dickinson, Paddy O’ Brien, Bryce Lawrence.
Stu Dickinson is a kiwi is he????? LMFAO
18 Oct 2011, 18:21 pm
@JL1(JL1)-520: he said gatland should’ve faked an injury and called for uncontested scrums. stransky and them looked at him incredulously & said “what?” and AC said jokingly…”is that what you’re going to do on saturday”
18 Oct 2011, 18:24 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-533: further to that point, there is no kiwi ref involved in the final, because NZ are IN the final, so we had to get a ref from one of the countries whose teams are already at home with their tails between their legs…
18 Oct 2011, 18:26 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-527: Hey Dawn… been very busy working, so didn’t have much time for keo. Also, to be honest, the amount of trolling on this site is a bit off-putting. Every time I check it out some bitter and twisted git either hates South Africans or Kiwis or English people or French people or Ozzies or Tongans or whoever. Which causes a slight existential crisis for me. Negativity is contagious, and I don’t want it in my life. It makes me despair a bit about the state of the world.
But I often read the site. Still the best reality novel in the world.
Hope you’re well and fighting the good fight.
18 Oct 2011, 18:26 pm
Pops you can laugh but we not ashamed.
Still hope you guys win it.
18 Oct 2011, 18:28 pm
Well said oscar. Hope you looking after my dog!
18 Oct 2011, 18:32 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-537: Im laughing at Maximus Dawnie, not at your team…..and in days previous I would have responded rather differently…
18 Oct 2011, 18:49 pm
@Nils(Nils)-517: Re Bryce:
“And I remember him helping at least Sharkies many times.”
I think you are confused.
Brycie Boy has reffed the Sharks to 6 defeats in 9 games… in a period when the Sharks on average have won close to 6 out of every 9 games… what’s the word for a statistical anaomaly?…
You must be thinking of some other team, Bryce has screwed the Sharks over enough times for us to be pretty well accustomed to his level of incompetence already.
18 Oct 2011, 19:00 pm
Ban this Porra prick please.
18 Oct 2011, 19:12 pm
For the sake of World Rugby, for the sake of
-honesty
-truth
-humility
-brotherhood
Miracles can happen…
France can win…
Revolution…
coup d’etat…les humilier s’il vous plait.
18 Oct 2011, 19:27 pm
The crooks can keep things under wraps for only so long…
SARU in hot water after Bok outburst?
Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:54
Springbok conditioning coach Neels Liebel has launched an outburst against Paddy O’Brien that may land him and SARU in hot water with the International Rugby Board.
According to the SuperSport website, Liebel allegedly claimed on Facebook that IRB manager of referees, O’Brien, had already won the World Cup for New Zealand.
Liebel, who – like the rest of the Bok management team – has been back in SA since last week, after South Africa’s quarterfinal loss to the Wallabies, posted on Facebook: “Thank you Paddy O’Brain (sic), you won the World Cup for New Zealand. Give the Boks a Kiwi ref and the Aussies v NZ a SA ref. A set up for Kiwi success…”
Liebel’s angry vent is an ill-advised one, as the IRB don’t take lightly to such remarks by people involved in the tournament – as Samoa centre Eliota Fuimaono Sapolu found out after his various tirades on Twitter during, and after, the World Cup.
All teams – including management and players – signed up to terms of participation for the World Cup, which has a section on dealing with the media and includes social media. These terms run for the course of the tournament rather than merely the length of time a team is involved.
While the IRB are yet to release any official statement regarding their reaction to Liebel’s comments, but there could be trouble for both him and SARU.
Last year Springbok coach Peter de Villiers spoke out about supposed conspiracy theories, suggesting that the Boks had been victims of a plan to assist the All Blacks ahead of the World Cup the following year.
Following South Africa’s first two Tri-Nations defeats to New Zealand in 2010, De Villiers insinuated that the All Blacks were aided by referees to help swell Kiwi World Cup excitement.
In 2009 an IRB disciplinary hearing imposed a fine of £10,000 (ZAR113,000) on SARU, after the Springboks wore white armbands during the third Test against the British & Irish Lions as a protest for Bakkies Botha’s suspension.
Botha had received a two-week suspension for a dangerous charge on Lions prop Adam Jones at the side of a ruck, which had not gone down well in the Bok camp.
At the time the IRB made it clear that had it not been for the “legal technicalities”, SARU, the Springbok players and their management would have faced much more serious sanctions for their protest.
The sanctions could have gone as far as to impose a suspension of the Springboks’ participation in the World Cup in New Zealand.
The most recent rant from Liebel may well open up some of these old wounds and could spell trouble for SARU and, of course, the Bok conditioning coach.
18 Oct 2011, 19:39 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-538: The dawg is in splendid health Dawny. Bit whiny, because i twisted my ankle and so can’t do the long walks at the moment. But like everything, that will also change.
In the meantime, do hope the Kiwis win the thing because they deserve it. And then I truly hope we get a coaching team with brains so we can give them hell next time..
Look after yourself.
18 Oct 2011, 19:46 pm
I’m gonna get a dog.
18 Oct 2011, 19:48 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-545: best thing you’ll ever do.
18 Oct 2011, 19:56 pm
Alsatian!
18 Oct 2011, 19:57 pm
Talk about tempting fate – and with the froggies nogal!!
18 Oct 2011, 19:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-543:
Fuckem.
It is about time we expose the old bloody goats at the IRB the same way we should expose them within SA Rugby.
Message to IRB and SA Rugby administration: “We are tired of your broederbond bullshit whenever someone dares to criticize you for obvious fuckups, you are custodians of this beautiful game, not the owners!”
18 Oct 2011, 20:01 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-547: Or a border collie, if you have lots of energy and time to walk.
Alsations are good though, just beware of ones from backyard breeders, they tend to have bad hips.
18 Oct 2011, 20:02 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-543:
First sentence is the most relevant -you can only hide things for that long – especially in these technologically advanced times – bet my last dollar that the sleuths are looking hard.
Paddy is the right place to start……….he’s been fingered before………
18 Oct 2011, 20:23 pm
wow… cant believe the heirarchy in SA rugby have all fallen for the conspiracy angle..
how very sad, and embarassing being a Bokke supporter..
we dont lose, the rest of the world conspires to beat us..
eish…
18 Oct 2011, 20:28 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-552: they’re just having their Suzie moment, they’ll get over it…
18 Oct 2011, 20:34 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-552: For once I agree with you Poppa. If we weren’t always, we seem to have become a paranoid society. Much better to analyze what went wrong and try to improve on it.
18 Oct 2011, 20:39 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-543: Its about time Saffa’s realised that blaming the ref takes your eye off the glaring issues that need to be tackled in SA rugby and also gives the power over your rugby future to someone else. The kind of thinking is that its not our fault or responsibility. We should be saying that despite whatever refs or administrators throw at us we will overcome the hurdles by playing exceptional rugby and if we lose we will take it on the chin and come back stronger and wiser. Right now the excuses are being used to make us feel good about what really was a dismal failure. We had 68% possession and couldn’t get more than 9 points with 60% territory as well. Therein lies the problem.
18 Oct 2011, 20:43 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-553: lol understand completely… hell our union made a 2000 page dossier on what happened also, so you guys arent alone in that respect
18 Oct 2011, 20:46 pm
Oh Poppa 69 you make me laugh, Aus NZ’s same difference, all a bunch of sheep shaggers and convicts, only reason the tri-nations and your team survive is because South Africa subsidizes your crappy teams, with TV rights, NZ rugby union is broke, don’t worry, the Springboks and South Africa will bail you out, enjoy your first world cup win, oh yes, let’s not forget, they haven’t won it yet.
True even if NZ didn’t make to the final, none of your crappy refs would be there.
18 Oct 2011, 20:49 pm
@maximus1(maximus1)-557: your right of course, I guess the SA public dont mind paying to see decent rugby teams huh? 3 wins in fifteen years means you should bring something to the table, if its money so be it…
thanks for subsidising the number one team in the world…
18 Oct 2011, 20:52 pm
Maximus try to have sensible debate without sheepshaggers and convicts please.
18 Oct 2011, 20:53 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-281:
Yes
Yes, I have.
On these very pages, in fact.
Unless, of course, someone would like to accuse me of ‘lying’.
18 Oct 2011, 20:54 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-549: SARU administration needs to get its house in order… So it can actually serve the interests of SA Rugby properly on the world stage. Intermittent success occurs despite, not because, of this very dysfunctional organisation.
SA Rugby has been a patsy for a while now – undoubtedly SA gets shagged more often than not in S15 and 3N SANZAR negotiations. The Argies are finding out all about it at the moment – dog eat dog.
Bolt on solutions only go so far, but there comes a time when the whole organisation may need root and branch reform in order for it to serve its purpose – to look after the interests of SA Rugby.
SA Rugby has been getting thumped off field and is continually getting thumped onfield – not by opposing teams, but by officialdom. Because they can. SA Rugby allows it to happen.
SA Rugby’s failure on field is a symptom of the system and organisation behind it and it seemingly frustrates the livinghell out of people who try and work for this organisation…
Thus you get these disorganised spurts of frustration that keep happening. SA Rugby either needs a dictator or needs total reform to function properly.
A new and improved SA Rugby needs to get the antipodeans, because they have been getting the yarpies for far too long now.
18 Oct 2011, 20:54 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-277:
@GUFFAW@
18 Oct 2011, 20:58 pm
The really sad (pathetic) outcome of emotional rants from rugby officials, from any country, is that a small number of weak minded people who hold similar views take the rant on board as not only being gospel, it is also the view shared by the officials employers.
On that note, I see Gatland is still banging on about the Warburton red card. Unfortunately for him he could now face censure by the IRB for even airing his views that he and his coaching team contemplated cheating so as to even up the game in Wales favour.
18 Oct 2011, 21:00 pm
300 posts later
18 Oct 2011, 21:01 pm
Oh Poppa69, the whole rundown about consistently being the best team in the world between world cups, who cares, nobody remembers who was the best soccer team in 1963, but 1964, Brazil’s world cup winning team, everybody does, who cares if the All Blacks were the best team in 2006, everybody remembers SA winning in 2007, yeah 3/15 is pretty poor, who cares though, if NZ wins on Sunday, great, everybody will remember and life moves on, but constant barraging of the South African rugby by glory NZ supporters on this blogsite is pathetic, yes NZ have played well so far, good luck on Sunday.
18 Oct 2011, 21:03 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-309:
HUH ?!?
Boks win = Bryce OK
Boks lose = Facebook campaigns to ban him; death threats on SA-rugby blogs.
ABs lose with Barnes (Cardiff’07) = Bok fans praise Barnes
Boks lose with Barnes (Brisbane’09) = Barnes is “a cheat”
its a simple correlation, figure it out for yourself.
18 Oct 2011, 21:03 pm
The Boks overestimate their value to the global game. A side ranked only #4 really should hunker down and be quiet and up their game instead of rationalising their perennial poor showing by inventing all sorts of loony conspiracy theories.
18 Oct 2011, 21:05 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-316:
In fact, I never ever would have included YOU amongst the Sour Ones here on Keo.
Oh well.
18 Oct 2011, 21:07 pm
@raven(raven)-551: Bryce is either a crook along with OBrien or the weakest, most incompetent ref to have been ever allowed to ref at international level, no doubt. I’m sorry to say but his crookery and incompetence may have benefited the Boks in the past.
Its easy to dismiss criticism or slating of Lawrence as “sour grapes” but if something is really rotten then I would say it is cowardly to say nothing.
I would love to know the basis behind his selection for the quarters. By his own admission he made several fark ups in the Ire vs Aus match.
I would also love to know why SH refs, reffed on the SH side of the draw, and vice versa for NH refs.
SA has been sucking the hindtit with disciplinaries, citings and ref performances for too long now.
The rigging of the QF was the last straw.
18 Oct 2011, 21:07 pm
@maximus1(maximus1)-565: champ, winning 4 out of every 5 games is something to care about, for me anyways…
the constant barraging of NZ rugby by glory SA supporters on this blogsite for the past four years has been pathetic, so much so that now some SA supporters (such as yourself) are want to be upset when some kiwi’s remind those same supporters by way of similar comments in return…
strange how it works huh?
18 Oct 2011, 21:09 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-569: strange, yet again, that when we mentioned this re Barnes four years ago we were told we simply werent good enough, should have taken a drop goal etc etc etc .. our thoughts of being cheated were seen as sour grapes, now it IS an issue all of a sudden? puh-lease
“hardenthefuckup”
18 Oct 2011, 21:11 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-403:
at least Bok fans STILL have…..
“Honour and Bravery in Defeat”
18 Oct 2011, 21:13 pm
ah tackler is back, with his low self image of nz, a glory supporter at best.
All blacks overestimate their value to world rugby, NZ rugby union is broke, the 4th ranked team in the world’s rugby union will have to bail them out, like the greeks, think of it as germany bailing out the greeks constantly
18 Oct 2011, 21:14 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-572: perhaps a few sidesteps, or alternatively, youth in “defeat” may have been a better option for them
18 Oct 2011, 21:16 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-555: Boks and SARU are responsible for their own actions and they should start being responsible enough to say “don’t fck us around”….
Its not good enough to continually bend over and say “Fark me, please”. This is not taking responsibility. This is being weak.
Wales and Gatland are whining about one solitary decision, which was quite debatable – Boks had a whole match full WRONG decisions – no debate.
SARU and Saffas take too much shy.te – its almost like an inferiority complex with these antipodeans. They need to grow some spines, start asking the right questions and saying the right “fark yous”
18 Oct 2011, 21:18 pm
@maximus1(maximus1)-565:
What World Cup was played in 1964?
If you are typical of the average Bok supporter, who only cares about their teams performances during RWC tournaments, it is no wonder the angst is so great.
Consider this, SA has been to 5 tournaments to date and won twice. So two time in the last 16 years you have been a happy camper, the rest of the time you spend working out conspiracy excuses.
18 Oct 2011, 21:21 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-575: bwahahaha need some tissues mate… you guys got more penalties in the second half alone then we did in cardiff.. yet you deemed that to be fine, not a problem..
how youve changed HG, whats the matter, dont like the stink now its attached to you huh?
Im loving this, it seems your 4 year diatribe at NZ complaints about barnes have come full circle and bitten you squarely on your derriere.. wonderful stuff…
18 Oct 2011, 21:24 pm
@maximus1(maximus1)-573: Yeah, but SA has been taking greek for too long in the SANZAR “partnership”…
Now, O Neill even presumes to speak for SARU in public regarding the whole “boycott” saga.
SARU is a spineless, fcked up organisation that allows this shy.te to happen.
18 Oct 2011, 21:29 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-577: Barnes is clean as a whistle compared to Lawrence and Paddy OBrien.
This World Cup was not the first anyone heard any complaints about OBrien from Saffas.
There has been a problem for a while.
Nope, so no full circle. AB’s choking in 2007 is nothing like the crookery of the QF in the Rigged World Cup 2011
18 Oct 2011, 21:30 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-579: delusional, plain and simple..
what a sad man (?) you are… really..
18 Oct 2011, 22:35 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-580: ..and why are you covering for Paddy and Bryce?
18 Oct 2011, 22:37 pm
This whining by some has really become ridiculous. I was just reading some of the comments on the ban Bryce Lawrence facebook page. It has become embarrassing. We had a bad ref who ignored the rules at the breakdown. We also had the most experienced Springbok team in history on the field. They should have adapted. The many oppertunities to win the game were not taken and that cost us the game. If there is team with a legitimate gripe about not being in this weekends final it is Wales. They were hard done by the refs in two seperate games. While the ref against France can justify his decision going strictly by the rules a top ref should also use some judgement. A yellow card would have been the correct call. His decision cost Wales an almost sure win and ruined the game as a spectacle for millions of viewers.
We should learn from this campaign. Our excuse that ten man rugby wins world cups has been proven to no longer be valid. There is no doubt had we been capable of a more 15 man approach that we would have beaten the Aussies in the Quarters. Had we won that game playing our present brand of rugby the All Blacks playing how they played last weekend would have handed us a rugby lesson. We have the athletes to play a much more expansive game while still using our forward strengths. This should be the lessons we take away and not harp on the referee.
18 Oct 2011, 22:42 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-577: ****,did zimbabwe play at this wc?
18 Oct 2011, 22:44 pm
@malcolm(malcolm)-582: They tried to adapt. But it seemed that when they adapted, Bryce would just double adapt.
They had a meeting before the game and discussed the breakdown – only to find Lawrence reffing 180 degrees from how he said he was going to ref.
Smit repeatedly talked to Lawrence during the game and was getting told one thing whereas Bryce would blow another…
In the second half you can visibly see the Boks adapting by sealing off the ball (foetal over ball), which they didn’t do in the 1st half… To no avail. Aussies outrageously slowed the ball down and Lawrence just let it happen, not to mention blowing up the Boks for sealing off.
So please, open your eyes, and realise the Boks did try and adapt. The ref adapted at the same time in step with the Aussies.
To deny the Lawrence scandal is spineless, Imho
18 Oct 2011, 22:48 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-561:
Well said.
******* the kiwis and Aus
I wont be watching another game if either of them are involved.
18 Oct 2011, 22:55 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-577:
“Im loving this, it seems your 4 year diatribe at NZ complaints about barnes have come full circle and bitten you squarely on your derriere.. wonderful stuff…”
What a load of horse $ hit !
SA had no involvement in the one desision Barnes got wrong. This was a NZ WC with a NZ ref, with a family history of “we’ll get those japies”, having one of the wost reffing displays on record.
F— off you one eyed kiwi c–t!
18 Oct 2011, 22:57 pm
@mudrockshark(mudrockshark)-585: SARU needs to be sorted out once and for all… Then a strong SARU can properly protect the interests of SA Rugby from the weasels of the Rugby world.
18 Oct 2011, 22:59 pm
When all the **** measuring is done, the simple fact remains that what we are getting is simply not good enough.
Yeah it’s easy to call the losing party whingers or whatever – problem is, every team will lose at some stage or another because of elements that CAN be controlled like the quality of referees or structures that limits the beautiful game.
Time to look beyond the point of view of just rubbing the other okes nose in it and realise that the game itself, and for that matter all of us, suffer because of a corrupt system that should be called and named (and shamed) for the sham it is.
18 Oct 2011, 23:02 pm
@mudrockshark(mudrockshark)-586: Yeah, the Boks have a history with “fair” Kiwi refs:
- Bryce
- Paul Honiss (The Ireland tap penalty???)
- Paddy OBrien
18 Oct 2011, 23:03 pm
And I am out.
For my Kiwi buddies – go kick France’s *** boys, even though I am third generation French those sissy boys need to be taught a lesson – and if there was ever one team that deserve a fairy-tale in what will be their last RWC hosted event, it is a country that values the game as much as we do.
Stay safe all.
Cheers.
18 Oct 2011, 23:04 pm
Oh and of course – hoping Wales will kick the Aussies *** on Friday – they do not deserve ****.
18 Oct 2011, 23:06 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-218: IMHO, every Olympics are “the best ever”, every football WC/EC “the best ever” etc. etc. I do not believe those official lip services.
This WC may be good, maybe even great, but best ever? er…. I don’t think so.
For me France and Australia looked better.
18 Oct 2011, 23:06 pm
I can see it now, Heavens Game and Maximus holding on to each others dangly bits whilst standing in a bar in Joberg high fiving each other about their anti NZ rants on a web site.
You really are embarrasing for South Africans. Your hatred consumes you. No wonder youre still there, whilst the 80,000 plus sensible ones now live in New Zealand.
Says it all really.
18 Oct 2011, 23:08 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-590: Cheers
18 Oct 2011, 23:09 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-584: Our attack is one dimentional to the extreme. The Australian tight five were shown to still be their weakness by the Irish and we exploited this weakness brillantly (as did the All Blacks). However one thing the Aussies do better than anyone is defend. The Boks spent 80 minutes trying to bash through them never attacking the spaces and playing for penalties. Time and time again Burger and crew charged forward only to be driven back by the defence. The Aussies can defend against that type of attack all day. Yes Pocock got away with playing the ball on the ground (Brussow was there to do the same thing) but even with that if we had a more expansive gameplan to have utilised when it became apparent that relying on penalties may not win us the game we could have won. The one time we really moved the ball through the backline Lambie almost scored. The All Blacks only scored one try against the Aussies but ran them ragged and caused them to infringe constantly and not only Pocock. If they had kicked for posts a bit better they would have beaten the Aussies by 30 points.
18 Oct 2011, 23:20 pm
@mudrockshark(mudrockshark)-586:
Well your memory seems to be very clouded.
2007 NZ against France was not over one forward pass. It was the other infringing where Barnes did not penalise france. There was alot on their try line. Barnes ruined the RWC for us, his bad reffing was part of the problem, and of course NZ having lost all our # 10s and not taking the drop kicks was the other parts.
Unlike some of the fools on here, you included Boks lost cos of bad reffing, bad decision making, bad backline and no plan B.
18 Oct 2011, 23:21 pm
@malcolm(malcolm)-595: One dimensionally extreme enough to break through to 1m of the line and the ball is ripped illegally by a tackler who did not let Schalk go in full view of the officials…
One dimensional enough to break through twice and twice get called for forward passes. (one was JdV to Lambie, one was Mossie to Habana)
and on…
and on…
The Boks were not relying on penalties to win the game, they tried to win the game by playing with the ball in hand.
How much more expansive do you want… especially if ruck ball is being slowed down with a big free for all.
Your last sentence is pertinent – just substitute All Blacks for Boks and, Yes the Aussies were runragged against the Boks,infringed constantly and not only Pocock – except they were never penalised. They were given carte blanche.
I
18 Oct 2011, 23:22 pm
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-593:
last thing we need is HG in NZ.
The only thing thats corrupt is his damn head.
Not one thing mentioned for years about corruption and match fixing until his team lost a QF. Sour grapes and lack of balls to accept the loss.
18 Oct 2011, 23:23 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-590: IRB have stated the RWC needs to be played in countries like NZ and NZ will host it again one day, its important for rugby to stay true to its core values of not just where its going but also where its been. Maybe in conjuncion with Australia, who knows, but having the tournament in a place like Germany or Spain for example will not grow the game despite the romantic notion that it would.
England have already stated they will not match the passion exhibited by the people of NZ, but did guarantee more cash will be generated – is that the only thing that matters – for some, maybe, but not for all.
After England, we have Japan, it will be sterile and mechanical, from there it should reach Argentina, Italy, USA and or Canada, then maybe back to SA/Aus/NZ moving on to Ireland/Scotland/Wales then perhaps an Asian mix inc HK, Singapore, Thailand and Malaysia – a logistical nightmare, but fun, then back to say Uruguay or Portugal or Brazil.
For all the talk about expanding the reach of rugby, really, other than those countries above, who else would seriously be able to provide a succesful tournament? The middle east is a melting pot of warfare, the sub continent countries dont give a damn about rugby, most of Africa is in civil strife, and central america hardly know the game.
NZ have hosted a terrific tournament, its what the RWC actually needed before being farmed out for cash only. The emotional spirit and connection we, Saffas, Welsh etc all have in this game must be honored.
18 Oct 2011, 23:31 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-598: Don’t think that only after the WC QF is the first time I have had some pertinent questions about the impartiality of Paddy O Brien.
18 Oct 2011, 23:32 pm
@Nils(Nils)-592:
you mean London-Edinburgh-Cardiff-’France’ ?
you mean outside-of-Sydney-Australia ?
Went to both of them, so atleast there is a point-of-difference. Australia was fun, but ONLY if you were in Sydney. The ABs, for eg, were based in Melbourne, Aussie Rules territory. There wasnt anything that even vaguely resembled a RWC-vibe. Cool town to visit, sure. Just not during a RWC. Even Sydney is a R.League town, Aussies just love to appear nonplussed about rugby, its their wee protest, their “we’re farken Austraaalians, mate, we dont give a sh*t for that ‘rah rah’”.
France was wonderful IN France. But they sold themselves down the Loire to the thieving IRB-cohorts in UK. Every RWC that UK has managed to get their greedy little fingers on absolutely sucked. I travelled up to Edinburgh to see ABs vs Scotland B. For such a wonderful town, Land of my Fathers, they didnae give a sh*t either because it wasnt ‘their’ tournament.
This is my 6th RWC. Its a rugby country. A small country where fans can get around from stadium to stadium easily, not spread around 4-5 different countries. Not mixed’n'mingled with competing sports. The minnow-teams were not just tolerated but EMBRACED, Ive certainly never seen anything like that before. Everywhere it was rugby rugby rugby.
I appreciate your comment that ‘Administrators always say that’. But when the fans are SHOWING it, then you surely have to sit up and take notice. OK, its my home country and I might be biased. But I also have 5 other RWCs to compare it to, and 2011 has been comfortably the best of the lot as a rugby fan.
18 Oct 2011, 23:36 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-601: Fair points. I can judge only what I watched on the telly.
France07 (I mean Republic of France) was awesome, every game, loved it. As for Austraia, ok, I do not know about every place, was too sleepy in the early farking mornings.
Cudos to your country, considering what they have gone through, they have done an admirable job.
18 Oct 2011, 23:36 pm
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-593: Sensible if you’re into sheep farming, dope smoking, dwarf tossing or throwing yourself off bridges with a big rubber band fastened to your ankles… For now I will just content myself with Mud Island, South France for summer holidays and the odd sojourn across the Atlantic for a bit of fun.
18 Oct 2011, 23:39 pm
Nope, nothing beats RWC 1995. A movie was made about it. Invictus. Quite a few books have been written about it too.
Boeing flyovers and all…
Nope RWC 1995 is the pinnacle. Always will be.
18 Oct 2011, 23:41 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-598: Youre right and its a shame, as many good Saffas have accepted the result of that game – angry maybe – like we had to in 07.
Having toured SA in 95, I came to understand the brutal determination and mindset of many SA people, and unfortunately how blinkered they were to other countries, peoples and their cultures. Maybe it was do with the regime that was in place prior and how it was still laced through their society, continually telling themselves how superior they were, thus, casting aspersions on the rest.
So I learned that you can not have a sensible or balanced conversation with the head strong variety of SA, theyre simply too myopic to accept alternative viewpoints, and too insecure to educate themsleves.
For the good ones that I have met – and there have been many both through rugby and business, theyre a great bunch, closer to us in our undertsanding of rugby than many from the home nations, and respectful.
New Zealand rugby fans have always respected the Springboks, it split our country in 81, for those of us who were pro-tour, all we wanted was a good game of footy against our greatest foes. We put ourselves on the line to support that – but in way, thankfully, in hindsight, the other half who protested against it added more fuel to the fire to have apartheid shut down.
Its sad to see some SA people speak so derogatory in a churlish manner simply because the topic involves NZ. Im not being precious here, there is a line, and quite often, some of them step over it due to desperation, insecurity, anger and a poisoned mind.
Vist TheSilverFren.com and you wont see this vitriolic nonsense spouted out on there about SA people, we dont see the point.
18 Oct 2011, 23:42 pm
” theyre simply too myopic to accept alternative viewpoints”, coming from a Kiwi… Lol.
+++++++++++++Bellywobbling fuckchuckle+++++++++++++++
18 Oct 2011, 23:43 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-603:
dont forget “honour and bravery in defeat”, Boy George.
18 Oct 2011, 23:45 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-607: Gu Gu Guffaw…
18 Oct 2011, 23:45 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-604: RWC 95 wasnt anything like what was portrayed in Invictus.
The token placements of small groups of black people at Ellis Park, with manipulated TV angles distorts the truth beyond imagination.
The only great thing about 1995 was the way NZ played rugby, the rest was humbug. I attended 9 games through Ellis Park, Loftus and Newlands, other than the AB’s games, the rest was pretty dire.
18 Oct 2011, 23:47 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-603: you want us to open the nasty can of worms that is South Africa? Dont be so stupid HG.
18 Oct 2011, 23:47 pm
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-609: SA won there, remember, had NZ won, HG would call it rigged as well.
18 Oct 2011, 23:48 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-608:
swiiiiiiiiing lowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
sweeeeet chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaariottttt
comin for to carry me hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooome
VICTORY LAP>>>>>>>VICTORY LAP !!!!!!
18 Oct 2011, 23:50 pm
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-609: Thats great. Denigrate the SA RWC 95…
- “Its sad to see some NZ people speak so derogatory in a churlish manner simply because the topic involves SA”
- “New Zealand rugby fans have always respected the Springboks”???
-”and respectful”
Exposed…
18 Oct 2011, 23:51 pm
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-610: Come on. Go for it. Open it up “respectful Kiwi”…
18 Oct 2011, 23:51 pm
@Nils(Nils)-611:
1995 was so rigged, Hollywood dedicated millions of dollars to it and dressed it up in Disneyland.
18 Oct 2011, 23:51 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-612: ***************Wobbling bellyfuck******************
18 Oct 2011, 23:53 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-615: Is that so?
*********ChumbaWumbaGuFFAW~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
18 Oct 2011, 23:56 pm
Wish someone gives HG a Prozac, his batteries may not last long enough, considering current load and acceleration, and we need him here for an entertainment during the next
FOUR YEARS.
8)
18 Oct 2011, 23:57 pm
@Nils(Nils)-618: Is the Ticker Tape planned for tonight… or tomorrow…
or maybe… Monday… after the game is won?
18 Oct 2011, 23:58 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-600:
Correct HG
We hear how bad POB is when you lose any game.
But this QF exit has taken the cake. Now you think the whole world is against you, even your own refs are corrupt as you stated.
18 Oct 2011, 23:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-614: I dont need to. I’ve already won this round.
18 Oct 2011, 23:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-619: I don’t know, I don’t live there.
Just slow down a bit, I understand, you have stamina, fine, this is a marathon not sprint.
19 Oct 2011, 00:00 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-601: And if you host RWC anywhere other than NZ SA or Wales it’ll be the same. Rugby really doesn’t count.
19 Oct 2011, 00:01 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-620: The cake was one oke during Super tournament telling me that Bulls in fact have a disadvantage having to readjust to home altitude after away games while opponents … er…. who cares about them anyway, they just have an unfair advantage, those visitors.
19 Oct 2011, 00:02 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-620: Not the “whole world”… mainly antipodeans though… especially with off field dealings and officialdom… and on field officialdom.
Nope, not the “whole world” at all… (Although I suspect you chaps tend to think of yourselves as the “whole world” most of the time, especially regarding rugby)
19 Oct 2011, 00:04 am
@Nils(Nils)-622: Damn… I wanted to watch the Rigged World Cup Victory parade… Especially if its before Sunday…
19 Oct 2011, 00:05 am
@Nils(Nils)-624: Um… Bulls??? WTF?
19 Oct 2011, 00:05 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-626: Easy, have a load of beer and boerewors and watch the telly.
19 Oct 2011, 00:06 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-627: Bulls. The boys from Pretoria.
19 Oct 2011, 00:07 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-627: Only the Sharks for me… Yes, the same team who were penalised by Brycie for a…. wait for it…. Bellyfarkenchuckling wobbleguffawing….. hehehehe….
Dangerous Scrum…….. BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
19 Oct 2011, 00:08 am
@Nils(Nils)-628: I thought so… DOne and dusted… before its done.
Some would say over confidence…
Others would say rigged…
19 Oct 2011, 00:08 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-627: It was right here on Keo. Must be buried deep down into the archives.
You are stunned? I was too. I thought I have heard it all before this.
19 Oct 2011, 00:10 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-631: I agree with you on that point. Looks not nice, tempting the fate.
Remember, those okes are city officials not the players. They know hard job what lies ahead. Politicians? Name me a country where politicians are titans of deep thoughts.
19 Oct 2011, 00:10 am
@Nils(Nils)-632: Your ticker tape delirium is getting the better of you…
19 Oct 2011, 00:12 am
@Nils(Nils)-633: “Name me a country where politicians are titans of deep thoughts”…. New Zealand – the “whole world”?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~chucklingfuckwobbles~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
19 Oct 2011, 00:12 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-634: ?
19 Oct 2011, 00:13 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-635: Geez, you really are an illiterate idiot seeing visions. Learn to read for starters.
19 Oct 2011, 00:15 am
Hey, garcon, do not serve HG table, he has jad enough
19 Oct 2011, 00:15 am
@Nils(Nils)-637: So the “whole world” is not going to boycott Rugby World Cup 2015 after winning Rigged World Cup 2011?
19 Oct 2011, 00:17 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-639: boycott, wtf?
Are you seeing visions?
GARCON, STOP POURING!
19 Oct 2011, 00:17 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-625:
lol
We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones that make a brighter day
So lets start giving.
19 Oct 2011, 00:19 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-641: No, the world has to stop giving to HG, he has incoherent enough, seeing visions, unable to read.
Maybe he needs taxi.
19 Oct 2011, 00:19 am
@Nils(Nils)-640: Va te faire foutre. Qui est votre garcon?
19 Oct 2011, 00:19 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-630:
Is that the same sharks that took a quick tap against the Hurricanes with the wrong ball close to the line andscored the try to win??
Obviously that ref didnt read his e-mails
19 Oct 2011, 00:21 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-644:
Or was it a quick line out with the wrong ball? I think that was it.
19 Oct 2011, 00:22 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-644: It wasn’t Brycie clearly…
Keep trivialising clear corruption though… it becomes you, as a “respectful Kiwi”……. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::guffawingchucklefucks::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
19 Oct 2011, 00:30 am
@Nils(Nils)-642:
No i think the whole world owes Hg an apology, i am sure this is what he is looking for.
HG i am speaking on behalf of the whole world, we are sorry the Boks were not good enough, maybe in the Rigged World Cup of 2015 you will get your well deserved 3rd Cup.
19 Oct 2011, 00:30 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-643: C’est ton merde, ca m’est egal.
Un man pie dirsas, kas ir tavs viesm?lis.
19 Oct 2011, 00:30 am
Putain de merde!
Bryce Encule…
Paddy Enfoire…
Night, night.
19 Oct 2011, 00:31 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-647:
19 Oct 2011, 00:31 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-650: Apology accepted, for now…
19 Oct 2011, 00:32 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-647: or rigged world cup of 2019 and onwards.
Wholes world owes him a prozac.
19 Oct 2011, 00:34 am
@Nils(Nils)-648: Certitude? Moufflarge
19 Oct 2011, 00:35 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-649: Take care and return soon. World is boring without lunatics.
19 Oct 2011, 00:37 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-653: Hehehe, I know yopu are nice person. Just take care, ok?
19 Oct 2011, 00:38 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-646:
Hang on, are you saying the games in 2009 tri nations were corrupt and match fixed?
How about the Lions tour of SA, was there also corruption to get the favoured outcome for SA?
Boy Geroge i think you are onto something here. The British Lions teams was so much better than the boks. Dude you should have said something then cos unfairly you now look to be a sore loser.
I am on your side my brother.
19 Oct 2011, 00:42 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-656: You know the rules. Boks win or are cheated of victory. Blacks lose or get away with cheating. Simple.
19 Oct 2011, 01:19 am
In 2007 Derrick Barnes had a shocker as ref in the NZ France game. He made some serious blunders but he did NOT cost the All Blacks the game. New Zealand had numerous opportunities to win and they simply did not take their many chances. In 2011 the boks had a very poor ref in their match against the Australians. He never refereed the breakdowns and this after Brussow left the field meant that Pocock had a field day. Despite this the Boks had numerous chances to win the game. They also blew these chances. Both South Africa and Samoa were unhappy with the ref in their encounter and Wales were not satisfied to say the least with the ref in their encounters with South Africa and France. Many of the minnow nations have also complained about the referees. The All Blacks have not been run close this world cup so the standard of referees has not been a factor yet. Had the Wallaby vs. All Black game been close the sending off of SBW by Joubert may have had New Zealand’s opinion of him change drastically. My point is that the standard of the officials has not been great for some time and needs to be worked on. Interpretations seem to vary from ref to ref but it is not some giant conspiracy to favour certain teams and generally the most deserving team tends to win the cup by the conclusion of the tournament.
19 Oct 2011, 01:46 am
KiakahaNZ
The all blacks whinged in1995 when they claimed they were poisoned, so your comments about South Africans and the referee, don’t hold much sway.
Don’t worry you have a good ref that will blow the game fairly, unlike the crappy aussie and kiwi refs,”sensible south africans” as you stated will make it a good spectacle, as for the 80000 Saffas living in your crappy mud island, who cares, I wouldn’t live there if you paid me a million dollars.
19 Oct 2011, 01:47 am
@maximus1(maximus1)-659:
please explain the link between ‘poisoning’ and ‘referees’ ?
19 Oct 2011, 01:51 am
To all the glory All blacks supporters and springbok wannabe All Blacks sucking up supporters, get a life, go and blog on your own rugby sites in NZ.
19 Oct 2011, 01:54 am
black panther, the glory all black supporters on this site keep sayiing south africans are whinging, hell they whinged in 1995, claiming they were poisoned, that is the pot calling the kettle black, that is the comparison.
19 Oct 2011, 02:14 am
hmm, one thing i believe the kiwis on here have got a really good point with is the fact that when the same thing happened to them in 07, everyone just laughed and gave little sympathy… the same thing has now happened to us so we shouldn’t really expect any sympathy from them.
19 Oct 2011, 02:15 am
oh malcolm you are talking dribble
Bryce Lawrence definitely had an outcome on that game, if that had been a referee from the Northern hemisphere, anywhere else except NZ or Aus, Pocock would have been sin-binned, the springboks took their chances, Lawrence performance nullified that in every aspect.
Wayne Barnes performance was nothing compared to that performance, sad but true.
How about cases in judicial hearings, South Africa always are at the end of of a raw deal, Kevin Mealamu punched a player only got 2 weeks, a South African does that and gets six weeks, pathetic.
To all real Springbok supporters, stop apologizing to these idiots.
VIVA FRANCE
19 Oct 2011, 02:48 am
@maximus1(maximus1)-664: Being a true Springbok supporter does not mean one has to use the ref as an excuse every single time we lose. That is just pathetic. I could have written BEFORE the Aussie game that if we lost it would be according to most our ‘true”supporters because of the ref. Nothing annoys me more when NZ supporters blame being poisoned for ’95 or when the Aussies and New Zealanders claim we did not deserve to win in 2007 because we did not play one of them. The same is true when we do not win. The facts are we had plenty oppertunities to win against the Aussies despite Lawrence and we blew it. It also is true that none of our performances in the last 2 years would point to us beating the All Blacks in New Zealand so to imply they would purposely fix a game out of fear for the boks is just plain stupid.
19 Oct 2011, 03:03 am
@maximus1(maximus1)-664: Boo Hoo.
@malcolm(malcolm)-665: But we were poisoned. I know Suzie’s mother who is Maximus’ sister in law by marriage to his third cousin and his half brothers child…;-)
19 Oct 2011, 03:27 am
Maximus – are you saying the All Blacks were not poisoned in 1995? I am saying they were, and furthermore there was sufficient evidence. Were you there at the final? Did you see several All Blacks vomitting on the sideline?
I am not saying it was an excuse that we did not win because of that, equal to the fact SA did not lose necessarily because of Bryce Lawrence.
Just because SA won in 1995, why dont you put the result to one side and consider the truth for one moment. You cant, because you choose not to, You elect to ignore the facts, because you feel it would dilute the performance of SA that day.
We lost in 1995 because we did not secure enough points, SA defended very well, and kicked a drop goal when they needed to, in extra time. Its fair to say there was very little between those two teams that day. One kick, that could equally have missed. One persons responsibility. Same as 2003 between Aus and England.
19 Oct 2011, 03:44 am
@maximus1(maximus1)-662:
no link, whatsoever, between “whinging” about a 1-off poisoning, and incessant whinging about the referees influence of a result.
The only match the ABs have complained about the ref – and that to their employers NZRU only – was in 2007. The French RU subsequently congratulated AB for their grace shown in the circumstances.
Hard to remember a Bok-loss when the Captain, team and Management did NOT blame the ref. Can you remember any ?
19 Oct 2011, 07:03 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-667: Sufficient evidence is vomitting next to the field
Hahaha, so it is not that you could have had a stomach bug?
I was vomitting the other day, do you think that someone poisoned me?
19 Oct 2011, 09:02 am
Ha ha, KiaKahaNZ, sufficient evidence, have you ever had food poisoning, no way you would be able to play 100 min of rugby, off course there is a link black panther, whinging is whinging, except when Aus and NZ do it, they don’t call it that.
This world cup is has been poor, the referees, have been very poor, why on earth Paddy O Brien is the head of referees, only dumb and dumber, will know, he was a pathetic ref.
To all the so-called springbok supporters sucking up to the all blacks and glory supporters, go and blog about sheep, rain, mud and country towns like Auckland.
19 Oct 2011, 09:20 am
@maximus1(maximus1)-670:
You are only showing your ignorance of the issue and also lots of bitterness.
Re the poisoning, do some research and go an read up about the issue before you comment – there is a book by one of the most respected high level security guys in SA-Rory Steyn- he was amongst others head of security to people like Nelson Mandela and the SA cricket team to name a few- and you will find that he confirmed that nearly the whole team miraculously became as sick as dogs the night before the game and that he could not believe they would be able to play a rugby game the next day.
Now why would a good patriotic south african lie about something like that?
And remember that unlike you or any of us here on keo, he was there in person and witnessed it.
19 Oct 2011, 09:57 am
oh robzim nice try, couldn’t care what Rory Steyn wrote, nz’s complaints about food poisoning, pathetic, love it when you call kiwis and aussies out on their own nonsense, as for bitterness about what, i just don’t worship the ground every other wannabe all black glory supporter on this site ascribes to, I guess that is you. In 1999 every damn kiwi, all said the cup is theirs, all they have to do is turn up, same thing in 2007, Springboks so-called fluked it, nonsense, kiwi rugby supporters are arrogant, they don’t like being called out.
The amount of dribble losers like the tackler and kiakahanz write about the springboks everytime, they seem to spend an awful lot of time on a south african blogging site.
Go and blog about the sunshine shining out of the all blacks *** over there, I for one don’t give a **** about the NZ or Aus, fact is this world cup referees have been poor, especially kiwi refs and that had an outcome on the aus game. So if I whinge about it, I will, because, I can, Kiwis and Aussies do the same.
Go and support the All Blacks, I support the Springboks, that’s life and will never change, I am certainly not bitter about NZ, have no desire to go there or live there.
19 Oct 2011, 10:24 am
@maximus1(maximus1)-672:
It is your choice whether you believe Rory Steyn or not. And of course it is your choice to whinge till the cows come home- and in the process just further strenghten the perception that many Boks supporters are ungracious sore losers.
Just for the record, I am NOT an AB fan- but I am also not so blindly patriotic that I do not see the good in other teams, players and countries or the good contributions that foreign bloggers make on this site. And this “the whole world is against us and out to get us” conspiracy complot that some Saffers here claim, is as pathetic as it is without foundation or truth.
But anyway, life goes on…. we are all different,..so whatever you think does not mean much to me…and vice versa.
24 Oct 2011, 06:40 am
So, making decent plans for the AB victory parade appears to have been a very wise move….
24 Oct 2011, 07:04 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-674: Well Tackles when you are scheduled to play the worst team ever to make the final in the history of the comp and you are playing at home there has to be some expectaion of success, even if that victory is a one point triumph over a side beaten by 5 points by Tonga.
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