All Blacks mustn’t overthink final tactics
19 Oct 2011
JON CARDINELLI writes that the All Blacks will beat France and claim that elusive world title if they play their natural game.
Last week’s performance against the Wallabies was a rugby masterclass. The All Blacks defended brilliantly, fielded the high ball well, and through the accurate and often prodigious kicking efforts of Aaron Cruden and Israel Dagg, they won the battle for territory. Success in these areas inhibited and frustrated the Wallabies, but it was the All Blacks’ power and precision on attack that allowed them to build momentum and ultimately a winning score.
Afterwards, Graham Henry and Richie McCaw said they would have to be just as brutal and precise against France in the grand final. The All Blacks have shown themselves more than capable of producing these well-rounded showings consistently. The statistics will reveal that they won the 2010 Tri-Nations by kicking more than any other side in that tournament. They also boasted the best defensive record, and scored the most tries.
What stands in the way of the All Blacks and a second world title is 80 pressure-filled minutes. The hype has been building since the lead up to the tournament, and the same questions have been asked over and over again. Will the All Blacks handle the pressure? There is no rugby reason why they shouldn’t win the trophy, as their record will confirm they’ve been the best team in the world over the last four years. But will the pressure of the occasion force them to play a more conservative game, because the fear of losing is stronger than the desire to win?
In an interview for Business Day Sports Monthly two months ago, former Wallabies coach Eddie Jones told me that the All Blacks are a better side when they express themselves. When they go into their shells and try to play a more tactical game, when they overanalyse and rely too much on a rigid game plan, Jones said that they moved away from their strengths. If they decide to do this on Sunday, it will benefit their opponents.
New Zealand are favourites at the scrum, and while the battle at the collisions should be brutally contested, Richie McCaw will ensure the All Blacks win the breakdowns. This should be enough to supply a strong platform for New Zealand’s halfbacks, who have shown that they have the decision making ability to maximise the advantage either by kicking into space or bringing the big and skillful backs into the game.
It is of course, not as simple as that. ’80 minutes and we’re laughing,’ said one newspaper headline over the weekend, but the truth is the 80 minutes of that semi-final against the Wallabies were anything but comfortable. From a rugby point of view, the All Blacks looked favourites to clinch it when Piri Weepu slotted another penalty early in the second half, and yet there was a strong sense in the crowd that the game wasn’t over until the final whistle. A 14-point gap wasn’t enough to calm the nerves of the long-suffering Kiwis.
There was a collective sigh of relief following the semi-final win, but there are still a lot of nerves in the build up to the grand final. Sitting in the crowd last Sunday, I obtained an idea of how much the World Cup means to this country, but I also got an insight into how that passion and desperation could have an adverse effect on the team.
The All Blacks must stick to what worked for them against France in their Pool A meeting. They must play like they played against Australia, that is, with power and accuracy, and the assurance that they are the best team in the world.
If they slip into a conservative mindset, if their coaches and players adopt a ‘we-must-not-lose’ mentality instead of ”we must win’, they will, as Jones previously suggested, give France a sniff. Forget the failures of 1999, 2003 and 2007. Check that baggage at the door.
While experience will be important in a game as big of this, the confidence of some of their young stars will also provide the necessary boost. Cruden was impressive in last week’s game, and going by what has been said this week, he will continue to play his natural game. Notably, the young flyhalf has the backing of his coaches.
‘It’s really important that you build throughout the week but that you’re not over-thinking about the game,’ Cruden told reporters. ‘You need to find a balance and that is what I will be doing this week.
‘I’d like to think it’s just the beginning of another week, just going through and doing the normal for me, making sure I’m really clear on my role and just building so that when it comes to kick-off time I am ready to go.’
The rest of the All Blacks side would do well to follow suit.
267 Comments
19 Oct 2011, 01:03 am
Go Richie, Go Craig…
19 Oct 2011, 01:07 am
Hoping that Craig referees the perfect game with not one mistake.
Hoping Richie gets what he deserves, that WORLD CUP.
Hoping Wales beat the Aussies.
Ai. So sad tonight again. We will never know how good this Bok team was.
19 Oct 2011, 01:18 am
We do know exactly how good this bok team is:
Lucky against structure of Wales
Lucky against power of Samoa
Good against disorganised defences of Fiji and Namibia
And could not manipulate a defencive wall or tactically adjust to Bryce and Pocock
what did I miss ?
19 Oct 2011, 01:19 am
*defensive
19 Oct 2011, 01:32 am
Play like they did against Aussie.
Don’t attempt ambitious runs from deep inside their own half.
19 Oct 2011, 02:16 am
@Cruiser(Cruiser)-3: Two world cup titles later. Aren’t we the luckiest nation in the world?
19 Oct 2011, 02:37 am
I have nothing to contribute.
I literaly can not type anything at all.
19 Oct 2011, 04:25 am
@kwas(kwas)-6: About as lucky as Aus and soon to be as lucky as NZ
We never slipped to 4th on the world rankings tho, so is that unlucky for you, or just the way it is
19 Oct 2011, 04:26 am
All we want is for the AB’s to improve on last weeks effort, and bring Bill back home to its birth place.
19 Oct 2011, 05:55 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-9:
Bill was actually a Kiwi? You learn something every day.
19 Oct 2011, 07:39 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-9:
well, thievery can get you most things you’re not deserving enough to earn…
19 Oct 2011, 07:50 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-11: Always an as shole just waiting to ruin the show. Why dont u fark off that would have some meaning for all of us, saffas, kiwis and aussies alike who are sick of people like you. A good place I hear is off the end of a bridge with some heavy type equipment attached so you can stay down long enough to enjoy the view.
On the UP side, the AB’s are not going to make any crucial mistakes at this point in time. I have personally never been more relaxed heading into a WC than this one and they have kicked every goal( s’cuse the pun) and ticked every box along the way.; it wouldn’t have mattered who we were facing in the final, there is no one there to beat us this year. Its the truth of the matter and on Sunday history will be made that no team will ever better in our lifetimes.
19 Oct 2011, 07:54 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-9: I think we are about to see a game of rugby this weekend that will have coaches world wide doubting their own ability. The accumulation of four years planning and 80mins of relentless, ruthless and methodical execution!!
19 Oct 2011, 08:21 am
The final will be an absolute spectacle, there’s no doubt that the AB’s have led the world in rugby intellectual development for a very long time, they’ve brought panache to the game and a showcase of skills every team dreams of, and all coaches wish they could conjure up and implement!
It’s only right that the AB’s take this cup, it’s been a long time coming, finally the Blackness have a formula to own the Bill for the foreseeable future, this should scare every nation on earth, the AB’s won’t be keen to relinquish this cup, the AB’s have dominated the trinations, bledisloe, freedom cups, and grandslams, now the The Old Bill is about to collect dust in the nzru cabinet for a long long time! I predict that the AB’s will be the first team to defend a WC title successfully in Japan 2015.
19 Oct 2011, 08:25 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-12:
“Its the truth of the matter and on Sunday history will be made that no team will ever better in our lifetimes”…..okaaaay….righty then…
19 Oct 2011, 08:27 am
New Zealand should take it. They deserve to.
The only reason I don’t want them to is because of all the “South African” wannabe All Black supporters.
19 Oct 2011, 08:28 am
What an opportunity for France?
The 2 losses in the pool stages are in the eternal past. Who would have given them a chance to make it to the final?
Very few people.
They have absolutely nothing to lose; the cheaters are outright favourites.
They need 85 min of fantastic rugby; I believe they can get themselves fired to do just that.
19 Oct 2011, 08:29 am
‘fired up to do just that …’
19 Oct 2011, 08:41 am
The AB’s unlike the boks are very fortunate to have a broad international diehard fan base, this support of the AB’s is massive, I mean huge in SA, with AB clubs in all the major cities in SA. This is very humbling for the AB’s, as they are a team of a specific set of ethics and mores that are exemplary, and play the game with such intent and skill, they perpetually provide a pathway for every team to follow. The AB’s are a NZ brand and a global brand, they epitomize what rugby must be!!!!
19 Oct 2011, 08:46 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-13:
You mean 24 years of planning.
19 Oct 2011, 08:55 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-19: Pull up your pants
19 Oct 2011, 08:55 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-19:
I do not agree with people supporting an other nation in any sport on international level. Specifically if you have never stayed in that country for a longish period of time.
It seems unnatural to me.
Do these NZ rugby followers (SA Citizens) also support NZ cricket, football etc.? I guess they don’t win as much, and therefore don’t get the same support as Rugby.
19 Oct 2011, 08:55 am
Back in Black – the way it should be
Will be so glad to get rid of the chockers tag
19 Oct 2011, 08:57 am
Good luck, All Blacks.
19 Oct 2011, 09:00 am
Must ask the question if McCaw is playing with a damaged foot , this must be doing damage to him ( ie playing with an injury ) – do you think he will retire after next week ???? I know he is contracted for another 2 years but seriously do you think he can continue ?
19 Oct 2011, 09:02 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-12:
from your esteemed herald:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby-world-cup-2011/news/article.cfm?c_id=522&objectid=10760155
19 Oct 2011, 09:05 am
@stew(stew)-25:
Think he has 2 years in him. He can rest until April next year and get that foot sorted out.
19 Oct 2011, 09:07 am
Mr Black: you’ve put forward a set of circumstances under which an individual can possibly support a national team from another country, for you this is only way you can rationalize it, I’d say that that’s merely your perspective on how one can support another team but there are many other possibilities that may have no relevance to you but why should it. You have your boks and your happy with them no one takes issue with that at all in fact we applaud it. Equally, I’ve the right to support whoever I want for whatever reason that makes sense to me as the boks make sense to you. Unlike you I did not grow up supporting the boks, I grew up supporting the AB’s. I’d never ask you to support any other team but the boks as your loyalty has grown with them as you grew up, and I’ve had that experience with the all blacks. My support of the AB’s should never elicit such animosity from bok supporters on this site, you have your boks and I have my AB’s, we’ve a final to attend and we’ll see you in the four nations next year.
19 Oct 2011, 09:10 am
@Cruiser(Cruiser)-3: A Aussie defensive wall that had time to set due to pocock illegally slowing the ball down at the breakdown. If Bryce had to be fair and nail pocock a few times we would of gotten quick ball to run at their disorganised defence that was on the backfoot the whole game. You see it all comes down to Bryce’s incompetence.
How do you tactically adjust to cheating?
19 Oct 2011, 09:12 am
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-16: So true…I know alot of them.
19 Oct 2011, 09:13 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-29:
The short answer is: you cannot.
That is why I have suggested that Craig Joubert ‘bryce’ them this weekend.
If you thought the moaning and whining was big in 2007, you aint see nothing yet.
New Zealand will be like a factory that closed down.
19 Oct 2011, 09:21 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-28: are you still battling ‘nationalists’?
19 Oct 2011, 09:24 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-26: this gregor paul guy doesn’t know some of the kiwis that frequent this site
19 Oct 2011, 09:25 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-9: Hey dude, good luck to your boys on Sunday, lets keep the cup in the southern hemisphere! If they play the way they did last week it should be in the bag, and I don;t see enough in this French side to trouble them too much.
19 Oct 2011, 09:29 am
Transie: mr black was gracious enough to posit his position and in that ask a question, I had such a great day yesterday I thought it incumbent on me to respond to him fully.
Unjani mfodini? Ndiyoyika le game ngecawe andikwazi noku lala!
19 Oct 2011, 09:29 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-32:
his mores are exemplary.
19 Oct 2011, 09:29 am
The only way France have any chance to win is they must ambush the AB’s. They need to change the game plan and run it from all over the park. The forwards need to pass the ball in the contact and create chaos. I suspect they will stick with the 9 man rugby they have played up to now and hope they get their noses in front and then rely on the pack to grind out the win. That is what the AB’s will expect.
19 Oct 2011, 09:30 am
Jerome kaino must be IRB player of the year! He’s been colossal.
19 Oct 2011, 09:30 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-31: What does that have to do with the AB’s?? They have been consistently the strongest side for the last 2,5 years, they’ve played the most complete and convincing rugby, they are worthy world champs. Our job is to rebuild and pull them off that perch in 4 years time!
And if you go back 4 years on here, a few of the kiwi bloggers were very gracious in defeat (KiakahaNZ, Cane and Hurricane for eg). Sure, you always have the trolls too, like BP and Tackler (and we have Capo, KKK etc etc) but we lost and we’re out and that’s that
19 Oct 2011, 09:32 am
mpundulu is right! he can support who he wants to. I never ever support Bafana Bafana – it my right!
19 Oct 2011, 09:34 am
HOW THE F!!!!!!!!!! can Weepu be nominated?????? he had a very k@k Super Rugby season! – he didn’t even play in all the NZ games and missed a few kicks in the semi!! Shocking!!!!!! Only thing he does reasonably well is the haka! Same story as the last 2 years were McCheat won it!! The IRB player of the year thing is a joke!!!
19 Oct 2011, 09:35 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-28:
I’m interested to hear your reasons for supporting the All Blacks. Not why you started supporting them. Any pre-1994 support of the All Blacks does not call for an explanation.
My question is why when many people who supported the All Blacks growing up in Apartheid South Africa have since switched their allegiance to the Springboks (the nation of their birth and citizenship) do you continue to support the All Blacks?
19 Oct 2011, 09:36 am
Tomatoboy: quite right and I’ve certainly no issue with that position at all! Thank you for coming forward.
19 Oct 2011, 09:43 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-35: uyaxoka! unemincili qha, awkwazi nokuzibamba. kufana nosuku xa i-cherry efunda e-DSG izakuza pha e-Armstrong uyiqeqeshe
19 Oct 2011, 09:44 am
Wales vs. Blacks would have been more of a contest. That no. 8 Faletau pure class – if from Samoan heritage, how did they lose out on such talent.
19 Oct 2011, 09:45 am
Johan Goosen was better than Dan Carter when he turned 14! Sharks must be careful! oh and BTW All Blacks, the Goosen chap is coming for you guys next!!!
19 Oct 2011, 09:46 am
So Dan’s not there. Nor is understudy Slade. But Cruden — the third backup — is magnificent.
So what if McCaw hauls up short? No 2 or no 3 opensider will get the job done all the same.
And ditto for ANY position. And they’ve all played in the black jumper earlier this year and know all the drills.
Strength in depth.
19 Oct 2011, 09:46 am
Speaking of Samoa – have a feeling that they would be more competitive now then the Argies. Would rather see them in the expanded 4Nations. Depending on player availability from Europe obviously.
19 Oct 2011, 09:46 am
@Gunther(gunther)-36: look, i like the way the all blacks play rugby no more than any other person but i’m not going to get into a “their mores are exemplary” discussion hehehe
it’s just sport.
19 Oct 2011, 09:49 am
@Pot Blou Gevaar(Pot Blou Gevaar)-45: i think he is of Tonga heritage…
19 Oct 2011, 09:51 am
France is like Pakistan in cricket! If they can make a few $$$ by winning or losing they’ll do just that…. 7/1 for France is good money! Might be tighter than we all thought!
19 Oct 2011, 09:51 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-49:
indeed.
what a bizarre assertion to make.
it’s almost as if we’re not talking about rugby.
but rather soemthing else.
19 Oct 2011, 09:51 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-13: Shouldn’t that be 8 years of planning?
19 Oct 2011, 09:52 am
Same with Bryce Lawrence – bet he made a few million on the Boks game ….
19 Oct 2011, 09:54 am
@Pot Blou Gevaar(Pot Blou Gevaar)-48: they must just stop being vuilgatte! when samoa played namibia we didn’t any of this off-the-ball slapping of players, ditto vs wales but as soon as the come up against the boks, even a stand up guy like Mo Schwalger is involved in rubbish like smacking jannie for no reason.
poor from them and that actually turned me from a person who was fair-minded and supportive towards them to loathe them, fccuk them!
19 Oct 2011, 09:55 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-39: So ‘n bek moet jam kry. Quite right.
19 Oct 2011, 10:01 am
as a kiwi, all this talk that the game is a fait accompli because of Frances form and NZ deserving it is worrying.
Nothing has been won yet, France as massive underdogs continue to be provided with added motivation.
Home ground advantage could be the only difference, and I am not entertaining any notion of winning the WC until the final whistle blows and we have more points on the scoreboard.
have AB supporters not learnt yet that sport is not an exact science
19 Oct 2011, 10:19 am
Kietzphat: thank you for your inquiry, I actually believe this exercise will be instructive perhaps on the nationalism standard and open the minds of fellow bloggers, that being a south African does not necessitate one’s support of the boks to be a veritable citizen but rather the non-choice of the boks is a symbol of the greatness of our democracy.
Though a number who previously supported the AB’s during the apartheid era joined the ranks of the boks post 1994, that was a function of political liberation coupled with the effects of social engineering, the majority of those supported any team that played against the boks in the old days, there wasn’t any sense of discrimination. Equally, bear in mind, those who opposed apartheid aren’t singular in approach and thought process, we are diverse and pride ourselves in individual thoughts and have sensitized ourselves to that fact that human beings have their own specific set of unique experiences that pertain to an individual therefore everyone’s conditioning is different. In my respect, I have only solely supported the AB’s, my not supporting the boks was not in envy of blacks not being permitted to play for boks that did not carry any currency with me personally, that issue was purely a subset of a greater injustice, I grew up only knowing of one team to support, to the extent to which my father would take me to twickenham, Cardiff arms park, lansdowne road, etc etc to watch the AB’s, I had numerous tapes of their tests from the 60′s to the 80′s which i purchased from lillywhites, accompanied with posters etc. I viewed the boks as our fiercest opponents and couldn’t wait for the game in 1992 to show them that the AB’s were undoubtedly the best. I’m a genuine supporter of the team, my support was not a political reaction, I was too young at the time to have formative thoughts on political theory and liberation politics, this was merely a young boy who loved and idolized the men in black. The boks had no relevance, they were just the enemy I wanted the AB’s to thump! Naturally the older I got I had a clear understanding of the political situation in SA and this gave even greater impetus to the symbolism of the AB’s to me and the adversity faced by my people further entrenched my support of the AB’s. It would be impossible for me to dump a team I’ve gone through a history of emotions with to support a common enemy, it’d never feel right and I’d be the worst springbok supporter in the market!
19 Oct 2011, 10:23 am
Transie: lol. Hlambi u-right!
19 Oct 2011, 10:24 am
Gunther and transie: there’s nothing wrong in having exemplary mores it’s just a function of a particular culture! Lol
19 Oct 2011, 10:29 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-57: Thankyou some perspective shown.
Momentum moshwetum. France has always played with emotion. They have been in two finals before this and on both those occasions have played their best rugby in the semi’s.
I watched the 1999 semi final last week and wow what a game. I reckon that AB team would cut the current team to shreds.
I’m sure all AB fans would want a close contest.
19 Oct 2011, 10:33 am
Keo’s boys are all in love with the All Blacks. Quite simple for me…..as more SA’ns play in France (versus NZ) I am supporting Les Bleus. Why in hell would we ever support our arch enemies? Just because they are also based in the southern hemisphere? !!!
19 Oct 2011, 10:36 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-60:
tell us more.
how these exemplary mores come from this particular culture?
I’m interested.
19 Oct 2011, 10:37 am
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-61: I don’t think it’s a fait accompli by any means, but I look at France’s game against England (who were RUBBISH the entire tournament) and then Wales (after 60 minutes of playing against 14 men they could only win by a point) and I just can’t see them having the firepower to trouble the AB’s
19 Oct 2011, 10:39 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-58: that’s it, uwagqibile, ungaphindi uthethe.
the issue on mpundulu’s support of the All Blacks is now closed. any further enquiries refer to this post #58…moving on
19 Oct 2011, 10:43 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-60: please point out in any of our posts where the suggestion or where the slightest inference to having “exemplary mores” being something “wrong” was made.
i reiterate, it is just sport.
19 Oct 2011, 10:46 am
Transie: Hehehehe!!!!! Siyabulela!
19 Oct 2011, 10:47 am
Gunther: it’s no different from the famed parables, though allegorical but still true! Lol
19 Oct 2011, 10:49 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-28: Hopping onto a winning team is cheap, lazy and gutless support.
It’s the convenient, hassle-free way to ill-gotten bragging rights. True sports fans across the world deplore this yellow-bellied trend, so don’t expect to convince anyone here of your rational reasons.
Theirs may be mores, but yours are certainly less.
19 Oct 2011, 10:50 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-69: lesses?
19 Oct 2011, 10:51 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-68:
the witness will answer the question.
19 Oct 2011, 10:53 am
Gunther: the prosecutor is badgering the witness, the question has been asked and answered!
19 Oct 2011, 10:54 am
Katman: I weep for you.
19 Oct 2011, 10:55 am
Isn’t the playoff for 3rd and 4th the most useless and tragic rugby test ever?
19 Oct 2011, 10:57 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-72: Ah, badgering. Not cool.
Beavering, on the other hand, can be lots of fun.
19 Oct 2011, 11:00 am
Katman: it’s ok just come onside!
19 Oct 2011, 11:00 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-72:
no no my chum.
don’t come with that allegorical rubbish in your pants.
tell us what the exemplarr mores are and where they come from.
you are being unnecessary.
19 Oct 2011, 11:01 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-74: lol it is…like a weird smelly cousin that no one likes….
19 Oct 2011, 11:02 am
@Gunther(gunther)-77: eish wena, you and your tendencies!
19 Oct 2011, 11:03 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-74:
indeed.
it’s like a bitter expat that can’t let go.
19 Oct 2011, 11:09 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-58:
So do you sing the New Zealand National anthem when the All Blacks play the Boks, or the South African National Anthem?
19 Oct 2011, 11:10 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-58: Lillywhites sold “rugby tapes”…. Mmmm, a porky if ever I saw. You would be lucky to get an England Rugby jumper in that bastion of Soccer chavdom…
19 Oct 2011, 11:15 am
Gunther: as the question has been answer, what’s the real issue here? I’m certain the boks have exemplary mores as well, don’t worry I’m not suggesting that bok mores are inferior to the black mores, not at all. Lol
19 Oct 2011, 11:18 am
HG: hehehe. You obviously did not take the elevator to the other floors! Uyandihlekisa.
19 Oct 2011, 11:19 am
@Atreides(Atreides)-78: I remember Breytie scoring a brillant try against NZ in 1999.
19 Oct 2011, 11:20 am
Kietzphat: if you read my entry diligently I illustrated the disconnect between being a south African citizen and a bok supporter, singing the anthem is irrelevant.
19 Oct 2011, 11:23 am
You’ve got to question the mores of a man who chooses his team like a woman chooses a pair of boots.
19 Oct 2011, 11:24 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-86:
Just answer the question mate.
19 Oct 2011, 11:31 am
Kietzphat: this is not bingo, you framed a discussion I answered you now you are looking for your lucky numbers. Accept I answered you and be satisfied with that.
19 Oct 2011, 11:33 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-74:
No, There are many who have flown home already,
who would love to playing in the Bronze Medal Game.
19 Oct 2011, 11:36 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-89:
Sing whatever you like. Or don’t sing at all.
You only live once, so please yourself I say.
8)
19 Oct 2011, 11:38 am
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-88: @mpundulu(mpundulu)-89: why do they sing national anthems before Tests?
19 Oct 2011, 11:40 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-89: And don’t worry, you’re not the only AllBlackFerrariBarcelona “supporter” out there.
19 Oct 2011, 11:40 am
Cane: I most certainly do mate.
19 Oct 2011, 11:42 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-57: The ticker tape parade has already been organised…
It has already been won by the gracious hosts.
19 Oct 2011, 11:47 am
Transie: pray tell…..
19 Oct 2011, 11:51 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-93:
hayibo.
what colour shoes would you wear with that shirt?
19 Oct 2011, 11:53 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-96: no, i asked you!
19 Oct 2011, 11:56 am
Tackles, they have apparently released another 900 tickets for the final. here’s your chance to get one, unless you spent all your pocket money on hello kitty stickers again
19 Oct 2011, 11:57 am
@Gunther(gunther)-97: Fck the colour, as long as they’re good for running you out of trouble.
19 Oct 2011, 11:57 am
Transie: I don’t know, so I’m asking you back! Lol
19 Oct 2011, 11:59 am
HG there are always the few who misrepresent the majority. e.g. surely Pdv and his comments aren’t Indicative of all SAs? ior Noakes accusiation of match fixing, pathetic as it is it is not indicative of all Saffas except looney ones like yourself.
because some idiots have begun planning doesnt mean the while nations like that. how do I know? speaking to my brother in law in NZ this evening.
19 Oct 2011, 12:06 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-58: just curious, do you support any south african sporting teams? P.S. the little arrow adjacent to the bloggers name, bending slightly to the left(no pun intended) can be used to reference a previous comment and even types the person’s nic for you
19 Oct 2011, 12:13 pm
@BuckT(BuckTrendy)-103: he supports kaizer chiefs
19 Oct 2011, 12:13 pm
BuckT 103: I’m using my iPhone, there are no arrows today. I only follow rugby mate.
19 Oct 2011, 12:18 pm
Transie 104: lol
19 Oct 2011, 12:21 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-106: ndiyakwazi uli-Khosi 4 Life
19 Oct 2011, 12:23 pm
gee guys ease up on mpundulu. since when did the support of another national team cause so much outrage. |n football i support Spain. no i wasnt born there. my mother isnt spanish. they currently play the most enjoyable pure brand of football in the world. so as a fan of the game i might just adopt another nation based on my admiration of a particular style, and an integration of styles and influences at that like the ABs. while mpundulu might have other reasons for supporting the ABS give the guy a break! at least he is well reasoned, polite, and doesnt personally attack anyone who doesnt agree with him. this blog benefits from such broader minded souls.
19 Oct 2011, 12:30 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-89:
So you don’t sing the South African national anthem then?
19 Oct 2011, 12:33 pm
@texasnz(texasnz)-108:
Bafana Bafana vs Spain. Who do you support?
19 Oct 2011, 12:35 pm
Spain. you?
19 Oct 2011, 12:40 pm
@texasnz(texasnz)-111:
Bafana…
Judging by your Keo name I may have made the mistake of assuming you’re a South African. If you’re not, that would make your answer perfectly acceptable.
19 Oct 2011, 12:45 pm
Kietzphatz – you’re right. i’m not.
19 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm
@texasnz(texasnz)-108: ja, you can “support” spain cos the “all whites” are sshit.
19 Oct 2011, 12:48 pm
@texasnz(texasnz)-113:
Fair enough. My apologies.
Here’s the point I’m trying to make.
Your nation of citizenship (i.e. the country you call home for lack of a better description) vs Spain.
Who do you support?
19 Oct 2011, 12:48 pm
@texasnz(texasnz)-108: Totally agree. What many of these guys don’t realize is that they were born with patriotism engraved in their dna, some of us were not. We we born and taught to make choices, as the country we were born to did not hold our interests at heart, it was ingrained to choose. So some of us chose and stuck to our choices.
I will never understand why Heaven’sgame and Sheriff are so devastated by the Boks loss, or Proteas or Bafana Bafana as I simply do not feel it, nor can experience it. Some of you might experience sport in SA differently to me, as a South African, but this is what is true for me.
So when you call me and Mphundu names for the choices we have made, demanding that it should not even be a choice, it should be some mysterious feeling, (that I cannot feel), you simply reminding us of a time, when we had no voice, and no choice.
Patriotism for some of us is not a natural state. Sad but true.
19 Oct 2011, 12:49 pm
@texasnz(texasnz)-111: so when did you start “supporting” spain?
19 Oct 2011, 12:50 pm
@texasnz(texasnz)-111: I would support Spain too.
19 Oct 2011, 12:55 pm
@texasnz(texasnz)-111: I even supported Spain against NZ in the Confederations Cup. Transformation however was shouting for NZ against Spain as I recall.
19 Oct 2011, 12:57 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-119:
go N-E-W Z-E-A-L-A-N-D!!!!!!!!!!!! hehehe
you’re such a skelm, you know i was shouting for the “all whites” not to concede so that bafana can go through to the semis and meet brazil!
19 Oct 2011, 13:01 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-120: You were shouting for New Zealand like a mad man! Hahahahahaha
19 Oct 2011, 13:01 pm
Supported Spain since i saw their U17 team play in NZ in the World Cup (Ghana overpowered them – Essien et ors).
While i am a very patriotic kiwi, football does not cause me so much anguish, as i cannot support our version of the game here – all endeavour and little skill –
NZ vs Spain – I would wince yet ultimately enjoy. we would get thumped. and my love of football a la the 3 wise men from Barca would simply overwhelm my nationalism – i would happily see my nation suffer at the hands of a better style frankly. could it be that the way a country plays/embodies a sport might have a small part to play in ones allegiances if there arent strong political/emotional/nationalistic reasons to support your own nations team? i live in Blues country but support the Hurricanes… ouch
19 Oct 2011, 13:04 pm
anyway, what were we saying about rugby? this is a rugby blog.
19 Oct 2011, 13:06 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-121: like i said, that those plonkers mustn’t concede!
and you know what they didn’t hehehe
19 Oct 2011, 13:06 pm
Kietzphat: do you read through my entry in response to your question? It seems as though you presuppose an answer and then ask a question leading to that, and invariably you don’t get your answer then you try another way to get it. I keep telling you this is not bingo, you asked a question I answered you now let it go. Accept that you won’t trap me I assure you.
19 Oct 2011, 13:18 pm
@mpundulu – mate, Kietzphat is done. you have eloquently explained your AB connection. To him it may seem treason, but I am sure memories are hard to eraze and goes some way to expalin why your rugby loving DNA may not be Bokke. |Nice to see some broader opinions out there, and rugby for rugby’s sake – not just drawing national lines all the time…. and yes, transfformation’s right. AllWhites may have gone through unbeaten but they are still ****… bit like the English.
19 Oct 2011, 13:18 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-124: You would have had to be plain nuts to think that the All Whites would have beaten La Furia Rojas!
19 Oct 2011, 13:35 pm
Texasnz126: thanks mate, him and Katman refuse to get it! No answer but what they want will do, bizarre way to engage.
19 Oct 2011, 13:45 pm
@texasnz(texasnz)-126: quite right…i know rossoneri does not support the nz cricket team led by vittori but i can safely tell you she does not like the proteas either
19 Oct 2011, 13:48 pm
Transie: kandibukelele umdlalo we bola ndihlala kwi extra strong section nabantu bam! Lol
19 Oct 2011, 13:52 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-129:
there is a suprise.
19 Oct 2011, 13:57 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-131: I like the Warriors tho.
19 Oct 2011, 14:09 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-104:
oh shame
19 Oct 2011, 14:12 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-130: uyaxoka, uhlala kweza-suite noJessica Motaung!
19 Oct 2011, 14:42 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-125:
I have read your answer and I’m sorry, dude, but I don’t agree, and I fail to see how you disconnect the Boks and being a South African citizen.
The Springboks are the South African rugby team, just as Bafana Bafana are the South African soccer team and the Proteas the South African cricket team. They are made up of South African citizens or at very least holding a South African passport. They are in some way linked to this land.
Like it or not, they represent you as a South African, and the rest of South Africa. They are chosen as this nation’s best to play against other nations’ best (and why the national anthem is sung).
I can fully appreciate another teams’ skill and marvel at how they play the game. I can wish for a South African flyhalf in the mould of Dan Carter or a South African striker with finesse and skills of Messi.
But one thing I can never condone, is supporting another country against your own countrymen To will a compatriot to lose is something that will always be foreign to me.
19 Oct 2011, 15:05 pm
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-135: Hey like I said. Patriotism for some of us is not a natural state, in fact, it is very foreign, and a concept we actively have to, teach, and restore in our children as it was actively and with noble purpose extracted from our very core. It’s a noble idea, but some of us Saffas just don’t feel it. Sorry.
19 Oct 2011, 15:07 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-136: rider, when it comes to rugby?
19 Oct 2011, 15:29 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-136:
I don’t understand what you mean by “with noble purpose extracted from our very core”.
Are you being ironic?
Look, as a white male in his mid twenties, I won’t be able to empathize with coloureds or blacks who grew up in Apartheid South Africa.
I can fully understand any non-white supporting anybody else against the Boks pre-1994 as the team did not represent them. Hell, why would you support a team that would not accept you?
I can understand the extreme bitterness and anger.
What I don’t understand, is why there is continued support for teams against the Boks 17 years later, especially by people who did not or had very little experience of apartheid.
Maybe patriotism does come very easily to me. But its got a lot more to do with than rugby.
19 Oct 2011, 15:38 pm
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-138: As Trans says. When it comes to rugby, and no I was not being ironic. I was taught to detest everything the Sprinboks are and stood for. My progress is that I don’t any longer, but that doesn’t mean that I now gush with joy for them either. You feel like you are cheering for your country when you wear the Green and Gold. To me you could be wearing a Man U T- shirt, and I hate Man U. Nothing emotional and certainly nothing to do with my love of the land. Unattached.
19 Oct 2011, 15:39 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-137: Ofcourse when it comes to the Boks. Not rugby per se.
19 Oct 2011, 15:44 pm
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-138: “What I don’t understand, is why there is continued support for teams against the Boks 17 years later, especially by people who did not or had very little experience of apartheid.”
you have expats who gleefully rubbish south africa all over the world, are they less south african because they do that?
get it straight, mandela may have worn the no.6 jersey in ’95 but he wasn’t representing all people of colour, it was mainly a symbolic/political gesture (one which to a large extent unilaterally took as he veto-ed a motion by his comrades to SCRAP the springbok emblem). people HATED the springbok emblem and 17 years later some still do.
19 Oct 2011, 15:44 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-139:
Oh right.
I read it as the apartheid government “nobly” extracting it from your core.
Baby steps then with the progress.
19 Oct 2011, 15:48 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-141:
You misunderstand, Transie.
I’m talking about schoolboys, who are afforded the same opportunities as everyone else, 14 and 15 years of age supporting the All Blacks.
And as for ex-pats overseas who rubbish this country. Yes they grate me just as much.
19 Oct 2011, 15:49 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-141: on top of that, the people who ran SARFU like Louis Luyt were slimy unreconstructed racists who were only happy to agree to association with people of colour as long as it meant they would be allowed to participate internationally again, they had NO genuine desire to transform the sport from the bastion of Afrikaner triumphalism that it symbolised to a game that can unite millions.
19 Oct 2011, 15:55 pm
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-143: their parents are to blame. most kids support the team/s their parents support except for stormersboy whose son is a guppy_lover
when people say “rugby is a culture to afrikaners”, they usually mean, that they grew up around boisterous rugby games, discussions, vociferous provincialism amongst Ooms, fathers and grand dads. it is the same with some of the youngster you refer to, their parents/grand parents recall stories of the all blacks/british lions moering the bokke with fervour and those stories form a basis for affection towards the sport.
19 Oct 2011, 16:01 pm
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-138: Mate 17 years isn’t such a long time. Some of our wounds will take a very long time to heal, and it’s not just about what happened then but also about the continued consequences today for the children of the people who have lived through it. After the Roman occupation of Britain, it took generations for the resentment to abate. Expect no different here.
And don’t take it too personally. You can’t really do anything about it anyway.
19 Oct 2011, 16:03 pm
Eenie meenie mynie mo
I just happen to support the team at the top
This doesn’t mean I’m not a real supporter
Well, okay it does, but fck it anyway
19 Oct 2011, 16:06 pm
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-143: I just want to correct something. Some of us were born in the 70′s, and were children through the worst of the 80′s.
But the real effect we see is on our parents. Just like yours have moulded you in one way or another, so have everyone elses.
19 Oct 2011, 16:06 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-145:
My dad is a stormers_boy and I’m a guppy_lover
Yes, I know this country has deep racial wounds that will years, decades to heal. But I refuse to accept that they will never heal.
Yes, I fully agree Nelson’s gesture of allowing the Springbok to survive and wearing the no 6 jersey was a major political ploy and not based on any love for the brand. I do believe though that he has grown to love the Springboks now.
As for the parents, it saddened me to see a family arrive at the test match in PE, clad in All Blacks material with the two sons, about 5 and 6 years old with black ferns painted on their faces.
At the same time, it made me chuckle to witness a group of black supporters chanting and marching outside with a huge banner in the front that read “All blacks love the Springboks!”
I thought that was bladdy clever.
19 Oct 2011, 16:08 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-148: @Transformation(Transformation)-145:
Anyway guys, I’d dig to continue this conversation, but I’ve got a deadline to attend to.
19 Oct 2011, 16:08 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-147: I’m there for the losses and the wins Katman.
19 Oct 2011, 16:10 pm
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-150: Take care.
19 Oct 2011, 16:10 pm
Fark, imagine if France happen to pull off the impossible…
19 Oct 2011, 16:13 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-153:
I’m sure most bloggers here will silently drop a little quasi-mayo substance in their underwear if that happens.
19 Oct 2011, 16:13 pm
France…
Laughed at and derided by England…
Laughed at and derided by Wales…
Do you see a pattern yet…?
Laughed at and derided by New Zealand…
?
19 Oct 2011, 16:15 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-153:
I really don’t that happening, unless France re-invents the game of rugby like Jayasuria did at the 1996 cricket world cup…. go wide and fast from the beginning, don’t try to build an innings. If that comes off, they’ll win not only the cup but the admiration of fans everywhere. If it doesn’t, they haven’t lost anything
19 Oct 2011, 16:16 pm
@Kietzphat(Kietzphat)-149: it’s different strokes for different folks…oppressed people in SA are/were not homogeneous and their reactions to post-apartheid life cannot be expected to be the same. i grew mostly in the Transkei, Swaziland and some time in the KzN, how i see things is most definitely different from a person who grew up in George even if he is black and Xhosa like me, totally different mate.
19 Oct 2011, 16:16 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-155:
1999 NZ favorites, lost to Fra
2007 NZ favortes, lost to Fra
2011 NZ favorites, …..
19 Oct 2011, 16:18 pm
@Helen(Helen)-158: Ahem… Patterns everywhere…
19 Oct 2011, 16:18 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-151: How gracious, and convenient.
19 Oct 2011, 16:20 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-155: Hey, 3rd times a charm?
19 Oct 2011, 16:21 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-160: And very very true. I won’t walk in your shoes, so don’t walk in mine.
19 Oct 2011, 16:22 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-159:
The most amazing thing is that the last time Saturn was at an exact right angle to Neptune and its biggest moon, was in 2007.
The only time that ever happened before was in 1999.
At the end of November this year, it will be at an exact right angle once more, apparently only to happen again in 2023!
you can’t argue with the stars
19 Oct 2011, 16:23 pm
@Helen(Helen)-158: @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-159: Negative prayers. They never work hey…..
19 Oct 2011, 16:25 pm
@Helen(Helen)-163: Yup, its written in the Stars… Revolution!
19 Oct 2011, 16:27 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-165:
Going by the history, it will be an upset if the kiwis win the cup.
19 Oct 2011, 16:29 pm
Does keo ever have blogger awards?
It would be a fun way of getting through the dry patches after RWC and CC
He could ask for nominations for each category and then run a poll similar to the very predictable polls they run at the mo
19 Oct 2011, 16:31 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-157:
hai wena.
those george beasties are a different animal.
they are off the hizzo.
et style.
19 Oct 2011, 16:31 pm
The Frogs won’t win at the garden of Eden, the Bokke haven’t won there since 37′, SAFFA’s praying NZ lose because the game is up when we do, there can be no disputing who rules world rugby after Sunday, your last straw to clutch at will be removed.
19 Oct 2011, 16:33 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-168: I love it when you take it to the streets!
19 Oct 2011, 16:34 pm
Nope, it cant happen…
Ticker tape parade has already been organised…
“More than ever “alone against all” . This week in preparation for the final of the World Cup against the All Blacks, the Blues have the impression that the whole world against them. “It’s a bit everyone who attacks us. There is some Truth and magnified things but it’s true that when one is a little sensitive, you listen to what’s going on right or left, acknowledges Maxime Mermoz. We realize that very strong words are used sometimes and it can be offensive. ”
Among all Kiwis to the cause of the All Blacks, the French are the target of criticism “sometimes justified and sometimes less, according to Lionel Nallet. There are days where it makes us laugh and days where it irritates us. But it does not change my life, I assure you. ”
Sounds like the cheese-eating surrendermonkeys are about to throw in the towel to the awesomely brave beatific All Blacks….?
Hmmm…
19 Oct 2011, 16:34 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-169:
…and if they don’t, will you down a bowl of period juice with one of those straws we’re clutching?
19 Oct 2011, 16:35 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-168: hey those george oke VLOEKED the blitzbokke out of Outeniqua park Yessus!
19 Oct 2011, 16:37 pm
@Helen(Helen)-172:
ha ha we won’t lose
19 Oct 2011, 16:39 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-174:
and if you don’t, will you eat one of my bloody bunny chows?
19 Oct 2011, 16:40 pm
Yup, according to themselves, the Kiwis have won. Nothing like a confident Kiwi:
Translated from Midi Olympique (French Rugby site):
Even mocking tone to The Dominion Post, Wellington daily, which title in a special section of the World: “The Turkeys (turkeys). France has no chance of winning the World Cup,” before writing “This is our time” in the inside pages, right next to another title: ” We have one hand on the Webb-Ellis Cup…
And then:
“The French are afraid of anyone at the other end of the world, even if Patrick McKendry, journalist APNZ waters down a bit about his colleagues: “It’s all the provocation. Anything can happen in that game . But it’s true that everyone here expects the All Blacks win. ”
And finally
“As in 1999 and 2007 …”
Sunday could be a beautiful day
19 Oct 2011, 16:42 pm
@Helen(Helen)-167:
Do you have suggestions for some categories?
19 Oct 2011, 16:48 pm
Oh dear…
France have absolutely no chance…
The cheese eating surrendermonkeys are cowards…
Especially when compared to incredibly brave All Blacks…
Les Bleus are privately shittingthemselves…
Its all over before the game has even begun…
Grown men in White (Not blue because they have waved their collective white flag already) will be crying during the Anthems…
They will be so scared…
And when the surrendermonkeys face the haka, its all going to be over…
Done…
Surrender will be complete…
Kiwi bravery will be too much…
19 Oct 2011, 16:49 pm
And yet….
19 Oct 2011, 16:49 pm
There is this nagging feeling…
19 Oct 2011, 16:50 pm
@Helen(Helen)-175:
no i’ll pass on that thanks
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-176:
there will be nothing beautiful about Sunday for you my friend
19 Oct 2011, 16:50 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-170:
baby you know it.
@Transformation(Transformation)-173:
spat on them too.
support who you want.
but if you go off the reservation like that then you take your chances.
i hear the counterfeit all black herseys they wear in george are highly flammable.
justsaying.
19 Oct 2011, 16:50 pm
This sense…
That farce may morph…
Into tragedy…?
Beyootiful
19 Oct 2011, 16:52 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-178: this is tailor-made for you, written by a kiwi too
NZ, a little humility would be nice
10:00 AM Wednesday Oct 19, 2011
Thankfully the All Blacks are about the only people in New Zealand not a touch complacent right now.
Everyone else it seems has already decided the final has been won with others going as far to label the French as the worst finalists of all time.
Such views are starting to grate. Not because the French are enigmatic and unpredictable and capable of an upset; in all honesty this lot probably don’t have it in them to pull off the unthinkable.
It grates because it comes across as needlessly arrogant and disrespectful especially when predictions are made about the likelihood of a 20-points-plus victory. Imagine the outrage if it were the English or Australians talking with such premature confidence?
It’s difficult to understand the logic of branding the French an undeserving finalist. There is no such thing – the point of the World Cup is to win games and progress to the final. The French have done that and yet they are less deserving than the All Blacks to be there? How does that make sense?
It’s possibly been New Zealand’s undoing in the past that they have been confused as to whether World Cups are judged on style or substance. For the record World Cups are simply about progression by any means.
Teams try to progress from their pool and then progress through the knock-out rounds. How that is achieved is immaterial and it’s worth reiterating that it wasn’t the French players who sent off Welsh captain Sam Warburton. It wasn’t their choice to play against 14 men in the semi-final and again, just for the record, for those who say the rules are clear – they actually aren’t. They are clear when the aggressor obviously commits a tip tackle and drives a player into the ground. They are not so clear when the tackler pulls out of the tackle once the man is airborne – as Warburton appeared to be doing.
But still, right or wrong, it was Alain Rolland who pulled out the red card and what could France do? So they weren’t convincing and lacked direction and ideas. They still won and that kind of really is the point and it would be nice if a little humility could now be forthcoming from the hosts.
Winning with grace is maybe more important than losing with grace. It is probable that the All Blacks will get the job done on Sunday night – they stack as the better team on most, if not all fronts. We all believe that yet we don’t have to flaunt it – we don’t need to be quite so crass and blunt and unpleasantly adamant.
After all, it was that overconfidence and certainty displayed by the Wallabies after their win in Hong Kong that so got up the All Blacks’ noses. One last thing for the record, the Wallabies took their semi-final defeat in precisely the right spirit – they were humble, generous and even supportive of the All Blacks in regards to the final – qualities that had previously been lacking.
New Zealanders could maybe learn something from them. Boastful, uber-confidence is not the Kiwi way.
19 Oct 2011, 16:53 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-184: “Boastful, uber-confidence is not the Kiwi way.”, no?
Ho ho ho ho….
19 Oct 2011, 16:53 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-182: hahaha highly flammable you say
19 Oct 2011, 16:55 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-185: clearly this oke has never met Panty and NZinChina
19 Oct 2011, 16:56 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-184: “in all honesty this lot probably don’t have it in them to pull off the unthinkable.”….
Similar to what the English were saying….
Similar to what the Welsh were saying too…
No, the cheese eating surrendermonkeys could never ever win, could they…. Hehehehe
Beyootiful… A gift that keeps on giving
19 Oct 2011, 16:56 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-187:
confident the boys can get the job done with the team we have, is that arrogance?
19 Oct 2011, 16:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-186:
Indeed.
You never know what could go wrong.
One minute you are in the kasi slamming back sambucas with the All Black supporters club thinking somebody thrwo a blanket on me I’m on fire….
The next minute you are.
And they don’t.
19 Oct 2011, 16:59 pm
“New Zealanders could maybe learn something from them. Boastful, uber-confidence is not the Kiwi way.”
Obviously this was not written by a Kiwi
19 Oct 2011, 17:00 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-187: No but we’re talking about an incredibly brave, humble nation aren’t we….
Couldn’t be more different to arrogant, cheese-eating, white flag waving, cowardly surrendermonkeys…
There is absolutely no chance the ABs can lose… they are 1/8 favourites… France are 15/2… Nope… never
19 Oct 2011, 17:02 pm
@JL1(JL1)-191:
19 Oct 2011, 17:03 pm
@JL1(JL1)-191:
Will you be watching on Sunday, plenty around here have said they have something else to do, I thought SA was a die hard rugby nation.
19 Oct 2011, 17:04 pm
I’m slowly starting to believe that the French deliberately lost to the Tongans. So that the Kiwis then get beat by the team that got beat by the tiny island state. The fragile psyche will not survive intact. You’ll be able to see the choke from outer space.
19 Oct 2011, 17:05 pm
22 Frenchmen and coaching staff could never go and confront the brave Kiwi nation, in front of the entire world and win… Its just not in there nature, cowards they are…
No backbone those French…
They will capitulate on Sunday…
Of course they will…
They are playing at Eden park and nobody wins there except for the ABs, dont they…?
19 Oct 2011, 17:05 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-195:
use it while you can not long to go now and then what?
19 Oct 2011, 17:06 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-190:
19 Oct 2011, 17:06 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-196:
not true you won there in 1937
19 Oct 2011, 17:07 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-190: “throw a blanket on me i’m on fire” tl tl tl where do u come up with this stuff
19 Oct 2011, 17:07 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-194: Would miss it for the world, and you need my viewership, it forms part of the impressive European viewer numbers
19 Oct 2011, 17:08 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-187:
Those two?
Surely not.
19 Oct 2011, 17:08 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-195: hahahahahaha
funniest sshit i’ve read all week
19 Oct 2011, 17:09 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-200:
Accidents do happen…
19 Oct 2011, 17:10 pm
@JL1(JL1)-201:
wouldn’t miss it for the world? if so good man at least one SAFFA will be watching the rest have something else to do apparently
19 Oct 2011, 17:10 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-199: France also won there in 1994 and 1979 and before… But thats a long time ago, and the cowards were just lucky weren’t they…
19 Oct 2011, 17:10 pm
@JL1(JL1)-201: I mean I would not miss it
19 Oct 2011, 17:12 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-197: I’ll find something. Don’t worry.
19 Oct 2011, 17:12 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-195: that won’t be right! you can’t win the world cup by only winning 5 games!
japan, canada, england, wales, nz and BANG you’re the world champs? hehehehe no man
19 Oct 2011, 17:13 pm
Imagine if France win on Sunday….
Imagine the choke jokes…
Imagine the “bravery” jokes…
Imagine…
But it can’t happen will it
19 Oct 2011, 17:14 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-206:
was at the 94′ test one of the best tries ever scored at the garden of Eden, you should back the Frogs great money
19 Oct 2011, 17:14 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-205: …but the way the Kiwi press and people have been going on…. I would be really worried if I was a Kiwi supporter….but, hey I am not unlik esome of thes traitors coming onto a SA Suppporters site and want to tell all and sundry how proud they are of the Kiwis
Bizarre, you must say it is bit strange
Are you:
a. Complacent
b.Arrogant
c.Nervous
d.Dont care
About the final?
19 Oct 2011, 17:15 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-204:
Indeed.
Rolling with your homeees in your adidas unoriginals the shots are flowing the honees are all over your schtick dj Silver Fern on the 1′s and 2′s suddenly whoosh.
nylon shirts.
hair extensions.
cheap imitation greek booze.
that s hit can make Nam look like a grade 2 nativity play.
the one where the three wise men from hammas take down the babyjesus.
19 Oct 2011, 17:16 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-208:
yer but it won’t quite be the same will it, life will have changed forever for the majority around here
19 Oct 2011, 17:17 pm
The French just don’t believe in themselves…
There is nothing to believe in anyway…
They are a rebelling rabble…
No self-respect…
But they respect nothing else, do they…?
White-flag waving cowards cant win in the Eden Park Cauldron with 4 million brave Kiwis baying for blood, can they?
No way.
19 Oct 2011, 17:17 pm
@JL1(JL1)-212:
Confidently nervous
19 Oct 2011, 17:18 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-213: hahahahahaha yoh yoh ripper
yoh hayi i give up!
19 Oct 2011, 17:18 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-211: Ahem… but no-one wins at Eden Park except the ABs… Especially in a World Cup…
19 Oct 2011, 17:20 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-213: Sheezus
19 Oct 2011, 17:20 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-215:
all good mate but I think you might be overdoing it just a little bit but your call you obviously know what your doing?
19 Oct 2011, 17:21 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-216: Aha, the way we felt in 1995..confidently nervous
We were a bit more arrogant in 2007
19 Oct 2011, 17:22 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-216:
go on….we’re listening…tell us about it…
19 Oct 2011, 17:22 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-213:
Of course all these George All Black supporters types like to live in the past, and imagine that they were highly active freedom fighters during the struggle.
I imagine anything resembling Nam will just help keep the fantasy alive.
Next thing you know they’ll wake up in hospital with third degree burns and a moerse hangover and claim they were necklacked by traitorous right-wing sellout elements with evil white capitalist tendencies.
19 Oct 2011, 17:24 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-220: Did I mention turkeys… Just in case, they are a bunch of turkeys too…
A disgrace to rugby… How can they lose to Tonga and then go on and win the whole damnthing…
These things don’t happen in sport.
The scale of the upset is just too large.
Nope, it can never, ever happen.
19 Oct 2011, 17:25 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-205:
oh i’ll be watching…but don’t expect me to like it…unless of course the ab’s win everywhere else but on the scoreboard…
19 Oct 2011, 17:27 pm
now that would be awesome
19 Oct 2011, 17:29 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-225: or the ref cheats them… hang on what I am I saying it is a SA ref and not a Kiwi ref that will be officiating
I wonder if Bryce and Jack Dempsey are related?
19 Oct 2011, 17:32 pm
Its late in the PRC so I have to run, keep the choking stories coming you’ve had fantastic mileage out of that one…only 4 more sleeps
19 Oct 2011, 17:34 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-228: Good luck
19 Oct 2011, 17:34 pm
The whole world doesn’t rate them, even their coach hates them:
“I told them what I thought of them,” he said of his misbehaving players. “That they’re a bunch of undisciplined, spoiled brats, disobedient, sometimes selfish, always complaining, always whining, and they’ve been (frustrating me) for four years.”
“It seems to be our way of functioning,” Lievremont continued. “I also told them I have a lot of affection for them, but it’s a shame they don’t know how to look after themselves.”
Looks like these cowards have thrown in the towel ?:
“In a way it brings us closer together … we’ve been getting massacred for a while now,” Nallet said. “I don’t see why I should be angry with the team. We’re in the World Cup final. Obviously I would have liked to be 20 points up against Wales … There’s been no recognition, that’s for sure. If we win this match, there will be.”
19 Oct 2011, 17:36 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-223:
These playaz don’t rock hospitals.
They get. Uncle Jamail (standard grade science) to sort them out.
This is precisely the sort of pro bono work extrabollock could be doing if he came back to make a difference.
#leadsa
19 Oct 2011, 17:36 pm
@JL1(JL1)-227:
part of me wishes craig joubert could forget who he is just one time say to himself:
“you know what? ffuckit!..so what if i’m an honest saffa?..these prickks think i’m sooo ffukken naive to not see the sshit they’re up to… screw them…i”m gonna blow it my way…”
boy oh boy….now that, would be awesome!…
19 Oct 2011, 17:37 pm
The French may not even be playing to win the World Cup…
They may be only playing for recognition…
They have no respect…
Nope, they can never win…
19 Oct 2011, 17:42 pm
The French Cinderella Men?
19 Oct 2011, 17:47 pm
in 2001, the New England Patriots were the little team that could. They lost their starting quarterback and replaced him with a sixth-round pick who they rode all the way to the Super Bowl.
But all the fun would stop there, right?
They were facing Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk and the “Greatest Show on Turf”. And they were 14 point underdogs.
Ah, yes. But Mr. sixth-round pick, 199th overall wanted to introduce himself.
His name was Tom Brady.
And he had a winning drive in him.
Hello, world.
Morgan Padda?
19 Oct 2011, 17:49 pm
1980. Lake Placid. Cold War.
Unbeatable Soviet team.
“Miracle on Ice”.
Say it with me…
“The impossible dream?”
19 Oct 2011, 17:56 pm
Senegal v France: World Cup 2002
This was meant to happen… The 2002 French World Cup squad contained 15 veterans of their 1998 victory including Zinedine Zidane, Thierry Henry and Marcel Desailly. On paper, tournament rookies Senegal stood about as much chance as a mouse in a cat sanctuary.
… but actually Senegal’s wardrobe-sized midfielder Papa Bouba Diop scored in the first half to stun a French side who seemed to think they could win simply by turning up. The final whistle sparked off days of dancing on the streets of Dakar.
19 Oct 2011, 18:37 pm
Wazzup you bunch of rabid stinking right wing neo arch racists.
Leave us cullarts alone with our fake style and GHD and cheap AB jerseys.
19 Oct 2011, 20:32 pm
Imagine how the people in France must be feeling, they are just as excited as the All Black supporters, imagine the celebrations and the copious amounts of wine and shampoo that will be consumed if they win, that little 10% chance they have of winning must still be very exciting for them.
19 Oct 2011, 20:47 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-239:
The exotic French versus the rational All Blacks.
But I still cannot figure out how they will use shampoo to celebrate
19 Oct 2011, 21:20 pm
So Joubert now ‘an honest saffa?
More so with Pro Legota and Mrius Jonker as his assistants?
19 Oct 2011, 21:25 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-239:
Yeah,no doubt the Frenchies must be excited. Even a slim chance is better than the NO CHANCE the Bokke have of winning the RWC.
19 Oct 2011, 22:42 pm
shampoo/champagne
19 Oct 2011, 22:51 pm
Think the froggies must be the most difficult team 2 support, emotional rollacoaster, would need a steady diet of prozac,valium and the odd jeffrey 4 the really bad days (Gunther mentioned the jeffrey the other day) lol.
19 Oct 2011, 22:56 pm
All quiet on the Western Front…
All the Kiwis at the Ticker Tape Victory Parade tonight?
19 Oct 2011, 22:57 pm
Ted gleefully rubbing Bill like a Buddha’s tummy…?
19 Oct 2011, 22:58 pm
Wonder if the etching is already complete on Bill’s base…?
19 Oct 2011, 22:58 pm
eish our cricket not 2 dandy need 109 of 60 balls, Botha is rocking though.
19 Oct 2011, 23:00 pm
Wonder how hard “New Zealand 2011″ is to etch?
19 Oct 2011, 23:01 pm
feck Steyn gone.
19 Oct 2011, 23:08 pm
what a stupid way 4 Botha 2 go out, bah humbug,
what a kuk day.
19 Oct 2011, 23:08 pm
Everyone else will be sipping champers from Bill….
Not Piri Piri Weepu though… he gonna fill it up with KFC drumsticks… One bucket should do.
19 Oct 2011, 23:09 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-251: Our cricketers choke again?
Wonder if thats an omen for Sunday….
Naah, cant be.
19 Oct 2011, 23:13 pm
botha stepped backwards on2 the wickets, can u believe it !
19 Oct 2011, 23:15 pm
another one bites the dust, off 2 try sleep.
19 Oct 2011, 23:36 pm
Well and truly DESTROYED by a nation from the ANTIPODES.
19 Oct 2011, 23:37 pm
ANNIHILATED!
19 Oct 2011, 23:37 pm
OBLITERATED!
19 Oct 2011, 23:41 pm
The young and the bold yet inexperienced are more likely to destroy the old men of another Smith Mafia who are only in it for reasons of personal greed.
CRY THE BELOVED COUNTRY.
20 Oct 2011, 01:51 am
just got to love the pain HGs in.
perfectly wonderful.
20 Oct 2011, 02:27 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-252: Imagine that eh! Able to win a WC on a diet of KFC and chups !
20 Oct 2011, 06:33 am
chokers!
20 Oct 2011, 06:36 am
frogss wil no doubtt go for beers the nite before the final
what frenchh team will showup???
20 Oct 2011, 07:00 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-263:
It’s called carbo loading.
20 Oct 2011, 08:40 am
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-263: We’ve hidden their anti depressants so were safe.
20 Oct 2011, 10:06 am
“The statistics will reveal that they won the 2010 Tri-Nations by kicking more than any other side in that tournament” – JC
Not true. The statistics will show that South Africa kicked an average of 21 times per match in that tournament, an average of 1.2 kicks per minute possesion.
New Zealand kicked 20 times per match, an average of 1 kick per minute possession. (Aus kicked 15 times per match, 0.8 kicks per minute possession, for those interested).
This NZ side has played much more conservatively than teams passed, and the stats after this tournament will reveal it, so by no means does success on Sunday rely on “expressing themselves”. But it certainly doesn’t involve kicking more.
20 Oct 2011, 16:52 pm
Wish I had fluck all to do so I could sit on this site all day like some folks, generally the sad arse b1tcherrrrs and moaners. Reality is that every RWC seems to install NZ as favourites, whether it’s deserved or not. 87, best at the tournament, 91 shite, 95, very talented but spirit in SA was awesome, 99, out of position shite, 03, average, 07 screwed selection policy in knock out rugby but talented, 11, playing alright so far, talented, should do it….. BUT hey, it’s France. Stick to the task and the AB’s should have Bill for four….. F**K, dare I say it.
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