KeoTV: Dagg’s a class apart

KeoTV: Dagg’s a class apart

20 Oct 2011

RYAN VREDE says All Blacks fullback Israel Dagg has been the best player at the 2011 World Cup.


808 Comments

  • 1.aliboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 05:08 am

    Do dragons have daggs?

  • 2.hendrikp: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 06:02 am

    I like the pre-emptive strike. “I know you boys and girls will differ”. Cracks me up.

    I wouldn’t say Israel Dagg has been the best player at this World Cup. Jerome Kaino for me, has been pretty much unstoppable.

    But you are right, Israel Dagg is a freak of nature. He’s going to be one hell of a fullback for many years if he stays fit.

    He’s not better then Cullen though, but pretty damn close.

  • 3.DAS: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 06:06 am

    To me, form player of the tournament is tough — Kaino, Burger, and Warburton were all immense for their sides. Dagg is probably the best outside back in the world right now, no noubt.

    IRB Player of the Year? Genia maybe? And I say that as someone who went was quite thrilled to see the Wallabies out of the RWC.

  • 4.TheTackler: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 06:09 am

    Irony in that his surname “Dagg” in NZ refers to dried excreta around the anal aperture of a sheep. Farm workers hired to do “dagging” shear away this accretion.

  • 5.Great White Shark: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 06:12 am

    I’m sorry, I appear to have stumbled onto Silverfern. Would someone be so kind as to steer me back to keo…I believe it’s the South African blog.

    Many thanks.

  • 6.captain fantail: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 06:17 am

    @Great White Shark(Predawn)-5: yes its easy..just listen to all the sobbing and gnashing of teeth and ref blaming and you’ll know your getting warm. ;-)

  • 7.hendrikp: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 06:19 am

    @Great White Shark(Predawn)-5:

    Ryan has become an honorary kiwi. He’s taken over the reigns from Divvy.

    But in all seriousness, he’s got a point about Dagg.

    Even when they lost to the Boks in PE, Dagg looked incredibly dangerous and should’ve scored a couple of tries if not for SBW and co. making the wrong decisions.

  • 8.captain fantail: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 06:22 am

    @hendrikp(hendrikp)-7: Yep he’s one of those players that just seem to ‘arrive’ on the scene..like Morne with his golden boot.

  • 9.Brads: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 06:49 am

    Dagg scored his test try when he came on as a replacement in the first 3N test in 2010 against SA.

    It was an outrageous dart between several defenders including Schalk Burger.

    At the time, AB supporters applauded it as a piece of genius. SA fans on the other hand, having hardly seen the kid before, dismissed it as the softest try the Bok’s had conceded in years.

    I am picking the boks, along with everyone else, will be conceding “soft” tries to this fellow during his career.

  • 10.TheTackler: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 06:51 am

    NZ media are generally claiming that this RWC2011 has been the “greatest RWC ever”.

    Is it?

    Does it eclipse SA 1995? The widely-accepted benchmark?

    What do you think?

  • 11.Great White Shark: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 06:55 am

    The opening ceremony was impressive….perhaps the best so far.

  • 12.Brads: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 06:55 am

    @TheTackler(TheTackler)-10:
    That sort of verdict has to be made when the hype of the event is not clouding peoples judgement.

  • 13.captain fantail: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 06:55 am

    One thing that I agree on with the Aussie media and non kiwis is the end of the throat slitting gesture,,it really has no place on the rugby field( unless directed at Barnes)

  • 14.Brads: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 06:59 am

    @captain fantail(captain fantail)-13:
    No way.

    They should make it even more odious than it is now.

    Perhaps that way the damned dance will get kicked to touch by the IRB

  • 15.JL1: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:01 am

    @TheTackler(TheTackler)-10: Why would the NZ media say anything else? It is after all their own country

  • 16.TheTackler: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:10 am

    @JL1(JL1)-15: Well, it’s being said. So is it true?

  • 17.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:13 am

    @captain fantail(captain fantail)-13:

    Fanny, now that you brought it up, whats the go with this? I remember the big hoohaa after they did it the first time and the very long explanation about it not being a throat slitting gesture but some rubbish about opening your chest to set the spirit free or let the flies in or drop the insides out or scratching your nipple or some other made up story.

    Next time they did it the ‘cut’ was much lower on the body and it was gleefully pointed out to all. Now I see the cut is back up to the throat with tongue hanging out the lot.

    @Brads(Brads)-14:

    :lol: I understand it is a touchy subject for a lot of Kiwis (you excluded of course) but it has gone way past whatever it was intended in the beginning. My betterhalf walked out on Sunday after uttering a few ‘dsigustings’ and said in future I should call her after the haha and not before. She is by far not the only one giving negative comments on it, when will the rest of NZ wake up to the fact?

  • 18.Wezwp: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:15 am

    jamie roberts will be my pick. Its really impossible to pick the best when then the best didnt go up against each other. will dag still be the best if he had gone up against francois steyn?

  • 19.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:19 am

    Keo crew: Do you really think your audience gives a sh*t?

    Your less fortunate colleague, Gareth, who did not win a 4 week trip in an old campervan will probably get more hits with a random update on Hilton Lobberts’s Currie Cup form than you will singing the praises of yet another Kiwi.

    Which part of: “We don’t care” don’t you understand?

  • 20.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:20 am

    ho hum

  • 21.HHS: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:20 am

    Is Mils was not injured, would Dragg have played? Mils is a GH fav and lucky for him the choice was made for him.
    Good player (Dragg).

  • 22.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:20 am

    @TheTackler(TheTackler)-10:

    Well ’95 is said to have brought a Nation of 45 million people together, how many locals were brought together in NZ?

    Lets just say it has been the greatest RWC this decade ok!

  • 23.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:21 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-19: exactly…..kak weekend for you coming up….what you gonna do? Mall shopping and wash the 4 x 4 ?

  • 24.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:24 am

    bulls fans wives will be happy this weekend….

    Husbands can catch up with all the little odd jobs…..clean the double garages….maak die braai plek skoon….cut the garden….plant Petunias!

  • 25.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:24 am

    @grant10(grant10)-23:

    He is going to go through his stockpile of cans of whoopass to check the expire date on them, chuck out the old ones…

  • 26.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:25 am

    maybe the bulls fans can watch the cricket?

  • 27.Brads: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:27 am

    @grant10(grant10)-24:
    LOL

  • 28.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:27 am

    @Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-25: LOL

    Fark that was a Keo classic!

  • 29.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:29 am

    Hehehe grantie, plant petunias! But I think the first thing will be to change the oil in die vrou se Mazda, check die spark plugs en vervang die fliter…THEN petunia time!

  • 30.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:29 am

    @grant10(grant10)-24:

    Petunias?…tac?…well i never… :shock:

  • 31.NZINCHINA: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:29 am

    @Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-22:

    There you go again dry balls, trying to spoil the party you even bring your wife into the equation to fault everything NZ, very sad.

  • 32.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:30 am

    The Bulls peaked in 2009. Sadly for Province and the Stormers, they did too.

  • 33.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:30 am

    @Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-25:
    :lol: LMAO very loudly
    classic

  • 34.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:32 am

    you’re gonna have to up your game tac.

  • 35.TheTackler: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:33 am

    @Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-22: It didn’t unite 45m. In fact, there weren’t even 45m back then.

  • 36.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:34 am

    knobbers, what? Don’t you allow woman to watch rugby in your house?

    In your haste to have a crack you again miss the point.

  • 37.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:36 am

    @TheTackler(TheTackler)-35:

    Did you count them? Whatever the number, the point I made still stands.

  • 38.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:36 am

    Tacitus gonna catch up by reading the last 6 months Huisgenoots….

  • 39.NZINCHINA: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:38 am

    Dry balls, nobody gives a f uck what you or your Mrs think of the haka.

  • 40.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:41 am

    @Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-37:
    :lol:

  • 41.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:42 am

    did you count them… :lol:

  • 42.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 07:52 am

    haha knobbie, haha because that is what the rest of the world think about it!

    PS Does your mother know you swear like that on a public forum?

  • 43.Brads: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:01 am

    @Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-17:
    Well I like to take the opportunity to refresh my beer or make room for the next one when it starts.

  • 44.TheTackler: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:01 am

    So, is this the best-ever RWC?

  • 45.Brads: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:07 am

    @TheTackler(TheTackler)-44:
    If you are asking me to make a decision today, before the end of the tournament, then I say no, if for no other reason than bloody mindedness.

    How can you ask for a decision like that.

    It smacks of the crazy practice during this tournament of awarding the man of the match award with 10 minutes still on the clock.

  • 46.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:08 am

    @TheTackler(TheTackler)-44:

    Hey Tackles, how long is a piece of string?

  • 47.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:10 am

    to be honest i dont think badly of it but i do prefer the older one to this new one.
    if they could perhaps speed up the inbetween pauses i think it could be better as i feel it loses tempo and rhythm when they pause for so long throughout the actual dancing.
    i have no problem with the throat slit, in fact i like it.

  • 48.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:20 am

    @au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-47:

    See…there…you hit the nail on the head…’actual dancing’!

    The only dancing rugby players, and more specifically front row rugby players, should do is the chicken dance…after the 12th beer…or so!

  • 49.Brads: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:22 am

    The main fan zone was humming today.

    There were so many people about there was an hour and half wait to trundle through that giant rugby ball exhibit, and today of all days, when there is nothing special to drag the punters into the city.

    I expect the place will be shoulder to shoulder tomorrow, and that for the sad and sorry 3rd and 4th playoff.

  • 50.captain fantail: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:23 am

    @Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-17: Yeah it changed for a while, I dont know the full spiritual meaning of it all, but sure, if we were going to war and facing death it would have more of a meaning,,but not on the rugby field for opponents who have no response. would we be upset if the Boks just stood in a line and gave us the finger?
    The Haka is representative of our culture and tradition, but I believe it should not be used to symbolize the possibility of death or a threat thereof (on a rugby field).

  • 51.John Galt: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:25 am

    Stormers supporters already crowing like they’ve won their first piece of silverware in 13 years.

    I seem to recall them saying the same thing about the Sharks in this years S15 semis.
    That was until Brock the Rock and the rest of the Province front row got taught a serious lesson by Crockett etc.

    Stormers, sort your tight 5 out before you start your BS please. You’re acting like a place in the semifinals of a seriously diluted CC gives you bragging rights.
    It doesnt.

  • 52.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:25 am

    @Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-48:
    hehehe
    of course i didn’t mean it that way, a bit freudian maybe.
    also, like your wife it seems other people don’t like the throat slitting thing either.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby-world-cup-2011/news/article.cfm?c_id=522&objectid=10760402

  • 53.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:28 am

    @NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-39:

    You seem upset.

    If you want to get moist about the hokey pokey maybe you should do it somewhere else?

  • 54.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:33 am

    @TheTackler(TheTackler)-44: Impossible to say. So many haven’t even taken place yet.

    But seriously, it’s not bad. Would have been a real contender if it weren’t for the time zone.

    And the weather.

    And the refereeing.

    And the incessant Macarena.

    And the tiny stadiums.

    Other than that, well done.

  • 55.Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:37 am

    and the murders! and canabalism! and and and ,,,,

  • 56.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:39 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-54:

    It seems Hawaii is putting in a bid to hold The Best World Cup Ever in 2059.

    They are hoping to trump the haka with the hula.

  • 57.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:41 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-56: They’re also going to have to deal with Germany 2040. Apparently they have drafted The Hof in to help with a special Oompah.

  • 58.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:43 am

    hula dancers, now that would be nice…
    of course i mean the ladies at the hotels who do it and put flower necklaces on you.
    i’d go in for that.

  • 59.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:44 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-57:
    the hof? you mean the guy who brought down the berlin wall?

  • 60.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:45 am

    @au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-58:

    Hey anything is better than a fattie in a g-string!

  • 61.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:46 am

    @au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-59:

    Bwhahahahaha!!!

  • 62.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:54 am

    @Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-61:
    :grin:

  • 63.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:55 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-57:

    Wait unti we come to the party in 2031 with the Ipi Tombi.

    Bring it b itches.

    Its on.

  • 64.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:56 am

    Saw a show on National Geographic last night about real life cannibals in Papao New Guinea. some scary sh*t happening in those jungles.

    One of the guys they interviewed was a spitting image of Wil Genia, minus the shard of bone through his nose and the necklace of (possibly human) teeth, of course.

    Strue.

  • 65.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:58 am

    Dagg is a class player & will only get better with time which is a scary thought for opposition defenses. Remember him playing for NZ Colts as this skinny wiry youngster who had a whole back of tricks. Also from the conveyor belt of Gordon Tietjens disciples from NZ 7′s. But easy with the hyperbole’s….Culllen is possibly the greatest attacking player in history of the modern game of union. Had a career spanning 8 years in the black jersey.,,10 oe so tries vs SA alone. Dagg while very good,is slower than Cullen,Cullen with an iota of space was good night nurse.

    Oh and finally if you REALLY watched the RWC11 without only noticing the flash moments-you would see Jerome Kaino is the undisputed Player of the Tournament.

  • 66.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:59 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-64:

    Tac someone posted a link a few days ago about a pom that went missing just the other day, do these cannibals have no pride…eating a pom?!

  • 67.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:59 am

    @Brads(Brads)-9: “SA fans on the other hand, having hardly seen the kid before” – having not seen him where…he was special when he was still playing sevens and some of us noticed his talent in 2009 already, in a patchy highlanders team, i even remember ragging some of the sharks supporters here that year saying a kid called israel dagg was going to cut them up alas the ‘landers lost in durban.

    the try you’re talking about we’ve discussed here with mshini & mpundulu ad nauseum, that plonker spies was the first to let dagg past and next up aplon and kirchner were late to react and bang…

  • 68.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 08:59 am

    @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-65:

    In my humble view Christian Cullen is the best rugby player in the history of the game. Simple as that. And I say that grudgingly, considering he is a Kiwi and all.

  • 69.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:00 am

    @Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-66:

    That was me.

  • 70.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:01 am

    @Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-66:

    And it was a German, not a Pom.

  • 71.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:02 am

    @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-65: the cullen comparisons are churlish imo…dagg is dagg and shouldn’t be compared with the sole purpose of putting him down.

    the boy is fire.

  • 72.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:02 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-64: I honestly didn’t know that Genia had a bone through the nose. Does he take it out for the big games?

  • 73.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:03 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-72:

    Hehe. That I cannot confirm. What I can confirm, is that Genia hails from Papao New Guinea.

  • 74.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:05 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-68:

    Wow…..Thats some praise Tac.

    I wouldnt argue with that assertion neither though. In full flight,Cullen was unstoppable.

    Personally I think Dan Carter is.(never has there been a player who can do EVERYTHING at a HIGH level of efficiency/skillset than Carter).

    But hey thats another debate altogether

  • 75.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:06 am

    i watched the nz – oz game again and must say i just lurved some of reechies defensive blocking that he got away with.

  • 76.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:07 am

    @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-74:

    Of course, every guy will pick a different player.

    To me, it’s Cullen.

  • 77.Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:07 am

    They say Chuck Norris woke up this morning with 1 ball missing! — Brussouw stole it! LEGEND!!!!

  • 78.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:08 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-71:

    Fair enough.

    But you know they are bound to come,attacking FB in a Black jersey etc And they arent completely out of context neither.

    Biggest Test is can he do it for nearly a decade. Thats the true measure of a legend. He will be tearing opposition defences for at LEAST the next 2 years as they are still trying to figure him out as he put hid imprint of international rugby.

    After that period is where TRUE class is determined.

  • 79.Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:08 am

    no one was better than Die Doring from Despatch! – no one!

  • 80.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:09 am

    @grant10(grant10)-24: :mrgreen: “maak die braai plek skoon” tl tl tl

  • 81.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:09 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-70:

    Righto then, I apologise to all cannibals around the world!

  • 82.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:10 am

    For me, the best player ever was Jannie Breedt.

  • 83.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:11 am

    @Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-81:

    Hehe.

  • 84.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:15 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-82: I dont know if Jannie would get my vote…

  • 85.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:16 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-76:

    Re Cullen; It’s one of the few things we agree on.

    Best forward of modern game?

    Eales
    McCaw
    Wood
    Matfield
    Johnson

  • 86.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:16 am

    I am leaning towards Adri geldenhuys

  • 87.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:17 am

    best player of all time must be plod…..fark me…the oke was so good he was even chosen when he was an overweight slow cripple…..in place of the best 2 on the planet….

    surely the mantle of the greatest of all tiime must go to Plod…..no doubts whatsofarkenever….

    the bloody con job that he is !

  • 88.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:18 am

    @Robzim(Robzim)-85: Matfield must be right up there – imo the first man to truly make line-out play scientific and strike fear and confusion into opposition. And the tallest 12 to boot when given some space..

  • 89.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:19 am

    please AC

    get some props and a lock before you take the bok job

    asseblief ou boet

  • 90.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:19 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-82:

    Gerbrand Grobler surely?

  • 91.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:20 am

    @grant10(grant10)-87: True, he could hold Bismarck from the team with only a motivational speech pre-game and some arguments with the ref. Stuff of legends!

    Sadly, had he retired in 2007, he would have left with so much more

  • 92.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:20 am

    I even had a dream 2 nights ago that Rassie and AC were training the boks…..

    actually it was a nightmare….the fat boy was there crawling through some drills as well….

    seriously!

  • 93.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:21 am

    @grant10(grant10)-87:

    Ja, I’ve really come to disrespect Smit over the last 2 years. He knows just like you and I know that he wasn’t good enough anymore. But he stuck it out on the 10% chance that we might fluke the World Cup even with him in the team, thus giving him the glory of captaining two World Cup winning sides.

    He put his own ambitions above the good of the team. Simple as that.

    A whole nation’s hopes sacrificed for his vanity.

  • 94.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:22 am

    worst players i have had the misfortune of watching……

    Lance Sherrel

    Freddie Ferreira

    Plod

    Spies

  • 95.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:22 am

    @au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-75:
    So you saying there is another incompedent ref?
    Another cheater and game fixer??
    When will this end…… Maybe when SA win their next game the refs will suddenly become the good guys.

  • 96.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:22 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-90: Top 5 material!

  • 97.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:22 am

    @Robzim(Robzim)-85:

    Most capped captain of all time, the best manager and leader of men the world has ever know it can be no other than captain aura – John Smit !! :)

  • 98.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:23 am

    @grant10(grant10)-92:

    Lol, you probably woke up in a puddle of sweat.

    If AC gets the job , Schalk will be Captain and no 6 flank

    “I see trouble on the way”- John Fogerty.

  • 99.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:24 am

    @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-74: Seriously, I reckon Carter is the man. Just so sad that their greatest moment will have him on the sidelines – a bit like Moses not entering the promised land.

  • 100.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:24 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-93: Yes….i WILL NEVER EVER FORGIVE HIM AND pdv FOR THAT….i SIMPLY CANNOT FIND IT IN MY HEART ….

    i HONESTLY BELIEVE HAD WE SELECTED PROPERLY WE WOULD HAVE BEEN PLAYING fRANCE IN FINAL…..i KNOW kIWIS WILL TAKE OFFENCE BUT i HONESTLY BELIEVE WE WOULD HAVE SORTED KIWIS…..

    fark…sorry caps

  • 101.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:25 am

    @grant10(grant10)-94:

    Bob Bolus !!

  • 102.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:25 am

    @justrugby(justrugby)-97: All he needs to do now is sort out the peace in the middle east..

  • 103.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:26 am

    so much of humour.

    yet so sad at the same time.

  • 104.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:26 am

    @Robzim(Robzim)-98: yes….Brussow may as well go play for Sale Sharks or Montbaum !

    Already AC starting his kak with Schalk at openside this weekend.

    I may need to move to Bloem….

  • 105.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:27 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-90: I dunno. Could never look past the mini-mullet. If Jouba was the Rolls Royce of fullbacks, then Gerbrand must have been the Nissan Sentra.

  • 106.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:28 am

    @grant10(grant10)-100:
    naa i dont take offence to it at all Grant.
    Thats your call, but i believe your best team whoever it is, would not have stopped the ABs the way they played against OZ.

  • 107.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:29 am

    @justrugby(justrugby)-97:

    Pity he could not build up a better “working relationship” with Bryce L.
    I always thought he was supposed to be the second best ” manager of referees” (after Shaun Fitzpatrick).

  • 108.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:29 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-72:
    :lol:

    although the recent cannibal looks more like a maori than a papuan:
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3882319/Cannibal-suspect-Henri-Haiti-sports-tattoo-of-man-eating-tribe.html

  • 109.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:29 am

    dagg is good, very good…almost as good as frans steyn.

  • 110.DocNZ: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:30 am

    You cant compare Dagg to Cullen . We know the class of Cullen , Dagg has basically just started, make the same call in about 4 years time. This site is funny, always has been , random topic is created. A few posts later the bulls are planting flowers , and someone is having nightmares about the throat slitting, lest we for the 95 RWC and a mazda’s spark plugs.

    Love it .

  • 111.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:30 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-103: Indeed

  • 112.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:32 am

    @justrugby(justrugby)-101:

    Bob Bolus , hehehe- he was fairly useless, but I would go for the hooker Tjoepie van den Heever .

  • 113.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:32 am

    @grant10(grant10)-24:

    HAHAH yes u can tell he’s in a bad mood these days.

    Bulls dominance of SA rugby coming to an end, not sure thats so good for the Springboks though but we might start playing some attacking rugby then :)

  • 114.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:32 am

    @DocNZ(DocNZ)-110: KEO rocks.

  • 115.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:34 am

    @Robzim(Robzim)-107:

    Guess 2nd best was not good enough !!

  • 116.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:34 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-106: I truly believe we would have beaten you boys…..we would have needed to be bold though….I would have started with alberts at 8,,,,bissy at 2….Hougaard at 9 [ fdp was injured imo ] and butch at 10…..

    We would have missed F Steyn and Brussow but F Louw would have sufficed imo….

    sadly we will never know…

    good luck vs france….you guys deserve this…been a great wc…

  • 117.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:35 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-56:

    Damb Gunther u’re a good laugh mate

  • 118.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:35 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-105:

    with lowered suspension.

    he was majestic on the counter.

    brings a tear to my eye just thinking about it.

  • 119.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:36 am

    @Robzim(Robzim)-112:

    LO I remember him, one of my favourites who seldom gets a mention was Fafa Knoetze , fark that oke boxed above his weight, could step both ways as well , also a tackling machine !!

  • 120.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:37 am

    @grant10(grant10)-116:
    Yeah mate we will never know.
    And thanks but we only deserve it if we win it :-)

  • 121.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:38 am

    @grant10(grant10)-116:

    The Aussies being in the Semi was a farse. They sucked all tournement. Cooper was shocking in both quarters and semi’s.

    We were deserved semi-finalists.

    Next time the f’ing kiwi head of ref’s should abide by his own rules and not allow a ref of a likely nation playing in the next round to ref a knock-out match.

    **** i’m still pissed.

    The Ab v Aus semi was a joke!! **** game. WP Ab’s but the Aussies sucked.

  • 122.DocNZ: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:38 am

    Naas ?

  • 123.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:39 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-120:

    I’d say you deserve it even if you don;t win.

    The French sure as hell don;t deserve to be in the final.

    This is not a great world cup because there haven’t been great clashes.

    **** Quatrters, **** Semi’s

    **** Reffing

  • 124.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:40 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-120:

    Great statement !!!!! my sentiments exactly,

  • 125.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:40 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-121: a semi between boks and kiwis would have been an all time classic…

    sadly we can only speculate…

    my heart in a farken million pieces I tell you…

  • 126.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:40 am

    @DocNZ(DocNZ)-110: exactly doc, this whole “so and so is no [insert name of past legend who played in the same position]” is nonsense to me because can any of the same people say that when cullen started his all black career he had class and a decade of rugby written all over him? can anyone realistically say that when richie mccaw played his first game against ireland that they saw that here is a guy who will be the 1st ever all black to reach a hundred test, all blacks’ most successful cappie and 3 time irb player of the year?

    unnecessary put-downs imo

  • 127.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:40 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-95:
    why don’t you watch the game again hurricane, its there…in black.

    @grant10(grant10)-94:
    that lubbe guy who played 1 or 2 tests for the boks?

  • 128.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:40 am

    @DocNZ(DocNZ)-122:

    Olivier?

    mmm…

    worth considering.

  • 129.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:41 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-118: That’s disgusting, Goenta. What you guys did on the counter does not belong on this site.

  • 130.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:41 am

    Buster Douglas KOs Mike Tyson to win the heavyweight championship of the world

    The over-weight heavyweight knocked out the undefeated Tyson on Feb. 10, 1990, in Tokyo. The image of Tyson fumbling for his mouthpiece after getting knocked down in the 10th round is unforgettable. That was the first time Tyson had ever been knocked down in his professional career. Tyson was counted out, and Douglas was the champion of the world.

  • 131.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:42 am

    Rulon Gardner beats “the unbeatable”

    This wasn’t even a blip on anyone’s radar during the 2000 Summer Olympics. It was a foregone conclusion that Alexander Karelin was going to win gold in the heavyweight division of Greco-Roman wrestling. That was until Gardner, the big bear (now even bigger) from Afton, Wyo., stepped onto the mat and took down the internationally undefeated Russian to take home the gold. Karelin had been undefeated in 13 years of international competition and had lost only one wrestling match in his entire life — when he was 19 years old in the 1987 Soviet Championships.

  • 132.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:43 am

    @grant10(grant10)-125:

    Ye it was set up to be a Aus v NZ semi to create a Great Clash supposably, look how rubbish that turned out.

    Such a let down game. Should have rather slept in.

    Well the Ab’s will get their WC win and we’ll have nothing to gloat about anymore and maybe we’ll start trying to win every game rather than just WC’s.

    But then again that’s a double edge sword as well because teams take time to develop and build conbinations.

    Anyway lets see where SA rugby goes from here. It’s going to be tough for us. But we have promising youngsters if we can get a good coach to pick the right ones and mould them and identify a good captain (that will be key).

  • 133.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:43 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-129:

    :lol:

    I am undone.

  • 134.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:43 am

    The New York Giants stun the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XLII

    The 2007-08 New England Patriots may have been the best team in the history of football. They finished the regular season undefeated and only three teams even got close to beating them. Their average margin of victory in the regular season was 20 points.

    There may not be a better or bigger catch in Super Bowl history than the David Tyree reception on third-and-5 when he miraculously pinned the ball to his helmet with one hand as he fell to the ground. That catch, which has its own Wikipedia page, led to the game-winning touchdown. The Giants, who limped into the playoffs with a 10-6 regular season record, did the unthinkable by beating the proverbial giants 17-14 to win Super Bowl XVII.

  • 135.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:44 am

    @au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-127: edrich Lubbe….wally missed all the kicks agains Lions in 97 series….cost Carel the job….

  • 136.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:44 am

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-130:

    Are you saying the All Blacks might have a “glass jaw”?

  • 137.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:44 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-129:

    :)

  • 138.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:45 am

    @grant10(grant10)-125: And at least u and I can be nice to one another now as Smit is gone and I actually agree with much of the other things you say :) and the things i feel real passionately about are gone.

    Now to find a new hero :) hahahah

    Wonder if Burger will be the next bok Captain?

  • 139.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:45 am

    @au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-127:
    And??
    One minute i hear the ref called the game really well and then i hear he let the ABs away with blocking etc.
    I see it all the time and not only by the ABs.
    Look at all the guys standing on the side of the ruck, blocking as well isnt it?
    Stopping anyone getting to the halfback for the kick.

  • 140.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:45 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-133: Well, do yourself up then. There are bloggers with the minds of children here.

  • 141.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:46 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-132: yes on all counts….

    strats with the right selection of Head Coach….

    And I will support the oke….

    but I have a feeling we gonna make a mistake ….again….

  • 142.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:46 am

    The Miracle on Ice

    The Americans were so overmatched that it was funny. The Soviets were led by legends while the U.S. was led by college kids. The Soviets beat the U.S. in an exhibition game before the Olympics, 10-3. Viktor Tikhonov, head coach of the U.S.S.R., went on to say that that game “turned out to be a very big problem” for his team because it led the Soviets to grossly underestimate the Americans. In five group-play games before the medal round, the Soviets scored a total of 51 goals, while the U.S. barely slipped into the medal round.

    When the Russians and the Americans met in the medal round, it became much more than just a game. On the shoulders of these young college kids, rested the American hopes in the midst of the tense Cold War between the two countries. In dramatic fashion Mike Eruzione, an IHL player for the Toledo Goaldiggers (yes, that’s a real team), scored a goal to put the US ahead, 4-3, with exactly 10 minutes left. The Americans held on just long enough to hear Al Michaels ask “Do you believe in miracles?”

    YES!

  • 143.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:46 am

    david pockoks performance is directly related to the inept reffing on the day.

  • 144.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:48 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-140:

    Indeed.

    You have already corrupted MiniMe.

  • 145.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:48 am

    @grant10(grant10)-135:

    not true, percy missed plenty in that 2nd test, as did honiball, Lubbe did miss a couple though.

    who did he play for, he was a selection right out of nowhere,wasn’t he?

  • 146.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:48 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-132:
    What was wrong with the Semi final?
    I thought the ABs played one of the best games for intensity in a long time.
    The way we hit the rucks and ran at the ozzies trying to break them down was impressive.
    Besides SA not in that game, what was so dissapointing?

  • 147.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:49 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-138: yes…

    We have a clean slate…

    the era of the aura is thankfully in the history book……

    new cappie?

    Not sure….just please let us not make anyone a cappie for 4 years, etc….1 series at a bloody time….and cappie must be a definite starter….none of this leave the best on the bench to accomodate a politician masquerading as a rugby player….ever a farken again!

  • 148.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:51 am

    @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-145: i think he was at griquas at the time?

    I was at the newlands test with justrugby when that pom scrumhalf sold joost that outrageous dummy…..it still hurts!

  • 149.DocNZ: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:51 am

    HG is trying so hard to get under the collective Kiwi skin , he is praying right now that the AB’s loose on Sunday so that he can laugh and gloat and rub it in , really sad . The kind of thing a person would do after he bet a lot of money on the boks to win …….. Voodoo much ?

    Mike H .
    Get over it already it has been almost 2 weeks , you still have 4 more years to go….

    Jorrie Muller ?

  • 150.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:51 am

    Dagg comes up trumps.
    Thursday, 20 October 2011 12.43 p.m.

    By LYNN McCONNELL

    Israel Dagg’s success in the All Blacks fullback role was no real surprise to the men who put him there, the New Zealand selectors.

    His ability to make an impact was delayed a little because of the injury he suffered which kept him out of last year’s northern hemisphere tour.

    Despite that, and the thigh injury which almost scuttled him for the 2011 season, the selectors were prepared to give him as much time as possible before the Rugby World Cup team selection to be available.

    It was almost last gasp stuff but Dagg had shown why he was so highly regarded by the coaches.

    “He’s a young man who has no fear about doing what is right at the moment,” All Blacks assistant coach Steve Hansen said.

    “His instincts for rugby are brilliant. If he trusts those then he is always going to be a great player.

    “If he starts questioning his own instincts then you are going to see him start doing things that aren’t normal for him and he’ll probably lose his form,” he said.

    It was the role of coaches to bring out the best in gifted players while realising that all members of a team were different and saw the game differently. Finding the common denominators became important in moulding a team.

    By comparison, an upfront player like lock Brad Thorn had few special requirements.

    “He’s easy to coach. Just give him something to push, something to tackle, give him something to catch and he’s happy. Give him three feeds a day, just make sure they’re big ones,” he said.

    One of his most valuable qualities was the 20 years of professionalism he brought to the team.

    “He’s the first guy doing the stretches, he’s the first guy making sure his dietary requirements are right and he’s the first guy into recovery. And he knows he has to because he’s 36 years old. But it’s something he’s done all his life and I think that is why he is still playing at 36.”

    That example of professionalism would be one of his legacies for All Blacks rugby.

  • 151.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:51 am

    @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-145:

    He was playing for Griquas at the time !!

  • 152.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:53 am

    @grant10(grant10)-147:

    next captain will be somebody short term, like skalk or jean.

    Possibly they’d consider a longer term investment like frans steyn as captain?

    Personally, I think the new coach will wait and see what happens in the s15.

  • 153.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:53 am

    France have been firing blanks the whole tournament. There is just one live round in their russian roulette chamber.

    Written off, derided. Kiwis are already celebrating.

    Sunday could be the day the live one fires.

  • 154.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:55 am

    @DocNZ(DocNZ)-149:
    I wouldnt worry about HG.
    We all know if the ABs lose he would be on here,being all French, like he has won the RWC.
    But the joke will be on him screaming NZ have rigged the cup,paid the refs and corruption throughout the IRB over the last week and a bit.
    He would be foolish to gloat.

  • 155.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:55 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-146:

    That the Aussies played so badly and didn;t give you a real test.

    With Cooper playing like a dog that had been beaten into submission it was a shocker.

    The Aussies had a shocker against us but won because they were allowed to steal our ball at will, Joubert was much better in that respect and Pocock only got minimal turnovers.

    AB’s played well but were’t really challenged at scrum or line-out time. You guys had all the ball and could attack phase after phase. We attacked phase after phase and as soon as we get into teh 22 Pocock is allowed to take the ball, or someone is lying on the ball slowing it down, or coming in from the side, or offside.

    I don;t whine about ref;s – you can check 7 years of Keo posts. But that was a shocker and resulted in a **** Semi because Aus just had a **** WC. Lost to Ireland, should have lost to us and lost to you.

  • 156.DocNZ: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:55 am

    @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-152:

    Next captain , from the mouth of P Divot , Chilli boy… said on boots and all.

  • 157.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:56 am

    @grant10(grant10)-148:

    I think teichmann was the most at fault for that try. Dawson got away from joost but teichmann was tracking perfectly to push him into touch, until he got “sold”

  • 158.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:56 am

    @Robzim(Robzim)-136: I am saying fait may not always be accompli…

    A big upset on Sunday will elevate the tournament to one of the best.

  • 159.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:56 am

    @grant10(grant10)-148:

    Matt Dawson , pr ick of note !!

  • 160.Brads: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:56 am

    Henry has made 1 serious mistake this year, and that was not taking his best team to SA and the AB’s got dealt to accordingly.

    He left selection of his best 22 for the final but they were not a cohesive unit by any stretch of the imagination due to the decision he made with the trip over to SA and splitting the squad up. All the while, Aus were training for the decider as if it was a WC final

    The mistake he made of course was not winning the 3N when he had the talent at his disposal to do so. The question that we will never know the answer to is this.

    Had Henry won the 3N by putting out his top AB team in every game, would there have been anything left in the tank to be were they are now?

  • 161.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:57 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-155:

    France in the FInal after 2 pool loses, totally outplayed by a 14 man Wales. Beat a **** Engalnd side that went to NZ to party not play rugby.

    I thought wales were the best thing about this WC. They were magnificent and should be in the final.

  • 162.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:57 am

    @DocNZ(DocNZ)-156:

    doubt it, he’s improved a lot in the past season but he will not keep bismark out. And the coach will want to select his first squad on form. I see skalk getting it for a season or so.

  • 163.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 09:58 am

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-153:
    You are just making things up.
    Kiwis are celebrating??
    Are you in NZ or are you all of a sudden listening to the media?
    I am not celebrating and i am not taking this game as a win of any sort.
    We havnt played the damn game.
    I am not going to fall into your trap of already beating the Ozzies and getting ready for the ABs in the semi final.

  • 164.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:00 am

    Next Bok captain will be a caretaker while the next generation is being groomed.

    Probably Burger, although he isn’t really prime captaincy material. He is more of a stormtrooper.

    Next long term captain..hmm…might be someone like CJ Stander or even Juandre Kruger.

  • 165.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:00 am

    @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-145: He moved to WP. Edrich looked very promising, many comparing him to Tjol Lategan.

  • 166.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:01 am

    @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-152: bissy for cappie….?

    New coach must watch super 15 like a hawk…..form players must be chosen….we must forget this kak about experience et al and at all costs…..

    We must become more innovative and find a 10 that can general the team and call the shots….

    FDP had far too much influence on the bok game plan imo….

    Choose a passer / sniper at 9……..someone like vermaak or sarel pretorious….

  • 167.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:03 am

    Wales were the best thing about this WC – Warburton is a find of note and Jamie Roberts running at people is a site to behold.

    NZ vs Wales Final would have had my serious interest.

    Can;t believe the c r a p French are there. This is not a good French team. Not like 2007.

    AB’s are going to destroy them

  • 168.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:03 am

    @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-157: of course it was the souties fault bud….heavens my man…it could never be saint joosts fault…..

  • 169.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:03 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-155:
    The ozzies defended superbly as they did against the Boks.
    They didnt win the tri nations by a fluke. They know how to win and have looked good over the last couple of years.
    Our plan was to attack Cooper, find him where ever he stood,run at him or kick to him.
    Pocock we took out of the game, notice all the ball carriers actually ran at Pocock, again a great plan to take him out of the game.
    Really the coaches did the homework on how to counter the Ozzies main strengths.
    The team accomplished that plan.
    Ozzies didnt play bad at all, they were outplayed and outplanned.

  • 170.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:03 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-164: Or we bring back Barney from retirement alla Os for a final fling. Zimmerframe and all.

  • 171.DocNZ: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:03 am

    Brads , no team that has won the 3N , has won the RWC in the same year …. History proved this again at RWC2011 . We have been told , it would be better to loose the 3N and win the RWC , than to win the 3N and loose the RWC.

    HG , you really are bitter and dripping with hatred , you have my sympathies. Dont worry it is only 4 more years .

  • 172.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:03 am

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-153:

    “Written off, derided. Kiwis are already celebrating…………………………………”.

    I can assure you, no one in NZ has written off France.

    You,
    LOSER!

  • 173.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:04 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-163: Translation from Midi Olympique (French rugby site)

    “But something strikes when you see the All Blacks: their relaxation. Not to mention the press and the fans that leave “no chance” for the French for this game, the next great “relax” that Graham Henry’s players are thinking? Of course, press discourses are policed ??and all say they are “wary” of the “unpredictable French,” but little signs speak. And one wonders if the vigilance demanded by Graham Henry is really there.

    Is it possible that subconsciously, New Zealanders still underestimate the Tricolores, despite the defeats of 1999 and 2007? Hard to say.

    The pressure is there, of course, because the All Blacks are sentenced to victory on their soil, but it is a paradoxically weaker than before the game against the Australian false brethren. The extreme tension that prevailed last week is gone. “Confronting the Australians, it was our” big game “of the competition, one that should have been played in the finals” , said one New Zealand journalist. The All Blacks have already made ??their feat by dominating the World Cup and outperforming the Wallabies on Sunday. The French, themselves, have not yet realized their game.”

  • 174.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:04 am

    @justrugby(justrugby)-159: LOL

    I will never forget walking out the stadium to the sound of the lions fans singing……what a farken test match…..

  • 175.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:04 am

    @DocNZ(DocNZ)-156: liar, he said if he continued as coach his captain would be schalk burger and a guy who he thinks possesses the requisite leadership skills is spies, he would invest in him but a guy who has it ALL now and is ready is chiliboy but then there’s the bismarck issue again so he wouldn’t go there.

  • 176.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:05 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-167: I reckon Gatland would have given the ABs real trouble. Wales is team on the up. ABs would have won it still, but much better contest

  • 177.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:05 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-164: hehehehe cj stander GTFOH bwahahhahahahahaha

  • 178.Brads: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:05 am

    @grant10(grant10)-166:
    Picking on form and discarding experience as the bottom line rationale would have resulted in half of this crop of AB’s not being selected.

  • 179.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:06 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-164:

    Next permanant Bok Capt, Luke Watson.

    He is truely loved by all decent citizens of SA.

  • 180.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:07 am

    @Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-170: do you want me to farken emigrate my man?

  • 181.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:07 am

    @grant10(grant10)-174:

    Felt as though the Boks were playing an away game !!

  • 182.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:07 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-175: That’s what he said straight from under the snor

  • 183.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:08 am

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-173:
    agghh there we go, you actually have no proof but taking snippets from the media and journalists.
    Thanks HG, you had me worried that i was missing out on the big party in NZ already.

  • 184.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:08 am

    Bismark for Captain?

    Oh my aching sac.

    Surely not.

    Captain should be appointed a season at a time.

    Same with contracts.

  • 185.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:08 am

    Which team is going to feel like they are going to have to die on the field if they are to actually come close to winning?

    Which team on the other hand is relaxed about the game?

    Willing to die vs willing to relax…

    Will be interesting…

  • 186.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:09 am

    @grant10(grant10)-180: If Luke is the man, I will pay for the flights! Will he be willing to play against a team called the All Blacks?

  • 187.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:10 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-183: Thought you were already at the Ticker Tape parade…

    Wonder if the etchers have done their work on Bill yet…

  • 188.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:10 am

    @Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-176:
    lol hang on according to HG we are the ones writing of the French.
    Dont tell me our fellow Bok friends are the ones that are actually writing them off?
    This match could turn out to be one of the greats,lets just play the game i think.

  • 189.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:10 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-169:

    Yes I agree you did well with Pocock but Joubert was seriously a lot more fair in that department especially after the uproar of our quarter.

    Cooper should have shut his mouth. It was less of you nullifying in on the pitch than you destroyed him before he even got on it.

    He was terrible agianst the Boks the week before. ANd just as bad if not worse against you.

    The crowd, media etc nullified cooper not your tatcics.

    Boks would have geiven you a much better game. Line-outs would have been a mission for u, scrums a even contest maybe in favour of Sa n recent form.

    Break-down even as McCaw aint what he used to be there and Louw is decent.

    Would have been bruising. But i think your AB team is a better side over-all. Grant and yes you need experience, they are the most experience AB side of all time.

    NZ v Wale final would have been a fair outcome. A SA v NZ semi where SA lost would have been fair.

    Losing to a Aussie team that looked like that peaked in the 3 nations and a ref illegally there by IRB rules, after admitting a hash in a pool game and also a NZ’er and also just a **** ref. WTF!!

    Anyway.. i’ll get over it by 2014 :)

  • 190.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:10 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-184: Yeah, we need to know who the best combo 15 is, from there find a captain.

  • 191.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:11 am

    @Brads(Brads)-178: balance was completely and insanely wrong in bok team……bottom line mate…an experienced fat cripple slow poke is still a fat crippled slow poke….no matter how you slice and dice it

  • 192.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:12 am

    @grant10(grant10)-168:

    joost had many faults, but teich buying that dummy wasn’t one of then.

  • 193.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:12 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-189:

    The Aussie team were a bunch of kids, they never had the temperament for a WC.

    They should have left in the quarters with the French as well and life would have been in equilibrium :)

  • 194.Brads: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:13 am

    @Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-176:
    Wales may be on the up, but they are still a work in progress.

    They have never beaten NZ in NZ and the last time they did win was in Wales almost 60 years ago.

    There is no way they would have rewritten the record books during this RWC event.

  • 195.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:13 am

    @cane(cane)-179: Yes…I would be happy with that….

    but

    is he good enough?

    If not….then let us never ever farken ever get sentimental and choose for the wrong reasons…..

    No more plod eras again …please

  • 196.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:13 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-188: The reality is that the more they try and convince the rugby world so that they can convince themselves, the greater the pressure. It will come down to 80 min.

    The only way I see the french getting there is an early unscheduled happening…intercept/red card/bounce of ball and then hope for AB implode.

  • 197.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:14 am

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-187:
    And now you think i am at the imaginary parade thats running in your head?
    lol

    Actually i saw on the news at the start of the RWC the guy that will be etching the winner on the cup.
    Hes actually very nervous. He hopes for no spelling mistakes

  • 198.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:14 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-139:
    ja, but he takes it to a whole new level doesn’t he, cos he’s special…in the eyes of the refs.

    @Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-145:
    and straight back to nowhere…

  • 199.DocNZ: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:14 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-175:

    Which basically translates to , Burger would be good , but chilli has it all . Make Bismark a prop , or keep him as a super sub. Krusty has all but given chilli the position and the title. Burger does not stand out as a leader. Spies , yes heard that uttered as well, first thing that came to mind was , “The invisible man has a voice?” .

    Juan Smit , would be my call. Not because he plays for the Cheetahs ;) .

  • 200.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:15 am

    @Brads(Brads)-194: Agreed, but the base material is there-no doubt. And the tragic red card exit will only strengthen them going forward

  • 201.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:15 am

    @Brads(Brads)-194:

    I’d rather we were playing Wales than France Brads.

    8)

  • 202.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

    You have to have a blend of youth and experience in a side. The Ab’s have it right in the right places. An experienced pack, and a young exciting back 3.

    Walla that’s how you do it!!

    I dissagree with Grant. I think our forwards were perfect, especially with the impact our bench could do.

    But we had no game breakers. Steyn’s long boot was the closest we would get for x-factor lol.

    2007 Habana was incredible, we had no player of the same dynamic in 2011. AB’s entire back 3 are pretty potent and Dagg is awesome.

  • 203.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

    @Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-186: I would rather have LW sister at 8 than that bloody showpony spies!

  • 204.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-164: Stander? Kruger?

    Which Bok Midweek Specials team are we talking about here?

    Seriously JJ, this is not the Rapport.

  • 205.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-189:
    hahaha well said mate.

  • 206.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

    The last time the All Blacks played SA, they lost.
    The last time the Boks played Aus, they lost
    The last time the Aussies played Samoa, they lost
    The last time Samoa played Wales, they lost
    The last time Wales played Fra, they lost.
    The last time Fra played Tonga, they lost
    The last time Tonga played Canada, they lost
    So at the moment, Canada should be world champs

  • 207.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-177:

    Slow down, cowboy.

    Stander captained South Africa and the Bulls at age group level, and is only 21 this year. Gonna be a regular player in the Bulls S15 squad next year and in a few years time probably in the Bok team, with all the necessary leadership credentials.

    But then, one year below him we have Arno Botha – ALSO the SA U20 captain, and he is already looking good at senior level.

    So there’s lots of competition for leadership positions down the line.

  • 208.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-188: Yes, Kiwis and AB’s are definitely not writing off the French…

    They keep repeating that mantra…

    While they relax…

    Only 80mins left against “turkeys” and then they are “laughing”…. (Quoted from Kiwi journos)

  • 209.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:17 am

    @DocNZ(DocNZ)-199: I would be very unhappy if Spies gets it. I;m sure he is a fine man, but he vhas not proven himself at 8 and I don’t think he should be first choice.

  • 210.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:18 am

    @cane(cane)-201:

    Only because of history.

    This is a vrap French team. Ab’s will kill them Saturday.

    No doubt about it.

    If Carter was there, i’d say i’d put R10,000 on a AB win. WIthout i’m putting R5,000.

  • 211.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:18 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-193:
    Maybe the Ozzies were to young but i think 2015, they will be a force

  • 212.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:18 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-204: Harmse in the house

  • 213.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:19 am

    @grant10(grant10)-203: With you on that one

  • 214.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:19 am

    Most drop goals at RWC 2011:

    Scotland – 4
    Namibia – 3

    Who knew?

  • 215.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:20 am

    What have the All Blacks got to worry about…

    They thrashed France in the pool game…

    Granted, Alain “Buck” Rolland was reffing the game, but….

    France only took them apart for 10mins… and then they surrendered, like they always do…

    Nope, Kiwis are right to feel “Relaxed”….

  • 216.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:20 am

    @Helen(Helen)-206:
    lol
    I like Canada

  • 217.Brads: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:20 am

    @cane(cane)-201:
    Well of course.

    We can be confident in how they will play, and muster up accordingly.

    Damn Frog’s, are aliens.

  • 218.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:20 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-207: Arno looks the part – a real tearaway flanker!

  • 219.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:22 am

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-208:
    HG correct, the boys need to relax.
    Cant have them all uptight or mistakes will happen.

  • 220.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:22 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-204:

    I think he’s talking about robbing banks.

  • 221.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:23 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-202: our game breakers were bissy and alberts and hougaard…..

    and they sat on the bench while the fat boy tried his hand at shuttle diplomacy, spies modelled sports clothes, and FDP nursed his shoulder.

    Mike….we were done and dusted before we atarted because we stupidly bought into the super bench syndrome as it became an easy excuse to avoid making the tough selection calls…

    we were beaten by ourselves….via a spinel;ess jelly fish coach that was manipulated by a egotistical son of a b itch fat boy that was part of a fat boy cabal club of self glory seeking prima donnas…..

  • 222.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:23 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-204:

    Whoever becomes Bulls captain for our next dynasty will be a long term Bok captaincy contender.

    As I said, Burger or someone will be caretaker captain for the next couple of years, but after that one of the next generation will take over.

    Don’t rate Chilli unfortunately. He would be another Smit – never first choice in his position. Adriaan Strauss has always been better than him, even at provincial level.

  • 223.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:23 am

    ABs are relaxed…

    Les Bleus are a disorganised rabble…

    One way traffic.

  • 224.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:23 am

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-215:
    But as you have also stated, NZ had the ref in the pocket that game and France played their B team.
    Different ref and different team isnt that right HG?

  • 225.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:24 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-211:

    Yip definitely – **** they will be a serious force the next 4 years mate.

    This team has been building with babies from 4 years,. now they are becomign men, and they sure have talent.

    I think SA and AB’s need to be a little nervous of the next 4 years. We both lose a lot of hero’s :) and have some rebuilding to do.

    It depends on the SA coached picked i guess. You guys have less politics in that department. You never know what might happen here in SA :) .

  • 226.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:25 am

    France have gone from 15/2 to 8/1…

    ABs have stabilised at 1/8…

    Everyone is relaxed. Its clear who everyone thinks will win.

  • 227.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:26 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-222:

    I have to say that Potgeiter dude at 6 looks like the business.

    Maybe we can offload stegasorous on to Province.

    In exchamge for that Estbeth guy.

  • 228.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:28 am

    @grant10(grant10)-221:

    We played so well in that quarter mate. It was WC winning rugby.

    Dominated everything. But if you team is not allowed to get penalties to score points and can;t score tries because the other team is allowed to take the ball when they want. You can’t win. Well you can win but the aussies line defense is real good i will say. But we should have had a lot more penalties and won by 10.

    I think where we fucked up was not taking more drop goals. When we realised that the ref wasn;t going to penalise the Aussies or let us go through phases in the 22, we HSOULD HAVE:

    DROPPED KICKED MOrE POINTS!!!!

    Agree with you on Hougaard starting. Yes. Bissie against tired legs is amazing to watch. He was perfect in that 30 minute role. He started against Samoa and didn;t have the same impact.

  • 229.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:29 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-227:
    hahahaha Stegasauraus LOL LOL LOL

  • 230.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:29 am

    i also would not write off the French….

    I also believe like HG they have not pulled the trigger as yet….fark me if 1 team can do the dirty it is the french…..

    That 8 and 3 never played last time vs kiwis……they are both class acts….hardinoquy and mas….

    I am not sure the french have the selection right at 10…..but these okes are a strange bunch…..kiwis should bring there A game or farken tears coming…

  • 231.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:30 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-222:

    I must say i wouldn;t like to see Bissie miss out starting for another 4 years. He is in his prime and the next 4 to 6 years need to be his.

  • 232.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:32 am

    1/2 odds on ABs winning by 16+ points.

  • 233.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:32 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-228: no mate…plod vs bissy was simply a huge mismatch….and we chose the cripple fat boy over an athlete at the height of his powers….

    you can spin this all day Mike….we never had the balls to do the right thing…we were weak and diven by the fat boys club……

    insane and we will always suffer because of candy floss weak kneed sentiment….

    and that is the truth of the matter….hard to face and harder to stomach…..but thats the facts of the matter…

  • 234.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:33 am

    The Bulls are soon going to be so full of Province players it’s going to be hard not to like them !!!

  • 235.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:34 am

    In other news I see it’s costing R 398 million to keep a roof over our President-in-Thief’s head.

    yoh.

  • 236.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-222: First things first – Adrian Strauss is average personified. He is the kind of player who ends up spending his entire career at the Cheetahs, apart from a couple of seasons in Ireland or France. The Cheetahs team is littered with them. Collectively they punch above their weight, but individually the Cheetahs only have one star – Juan Smith.

    Secondly, while Stander and Botha seem to be decent players, they are not the undisputed best young loose forwards in SA. Kolisi (WP), Labuschagne (Cheetahs) and Coetzee (Sharks) have impressed too. So there is no guarantee for them of Bok berths.

    And finally, their leadership qualities might not be the kind needed to unite and fire up the Boks. I’m sure they’d make great head boys at Affies or Waterkloof, but the Bok captain needs to have a slightly broader appeal, if you catch my drift.

    But use these leadership qualities at the Bulls, by all means. Alongside the superb leadership skills of the likes of Dewald Potgieter, Gerrit-Jan van Veldze etc etc.

  • 237.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

    @grant10(grant10)-230:
    right on.
    We need to play our A game or a result us kiwis dont want to think about will happen.
    This French team is scary. Looked average to say the least,played a good game against England when needed. Its like they have just played enough to be there, nothing special. But when will that special game that they are noted for happen?
    If its in the final, we will lose if we dont play our best, simple.

  • 238.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

    NO upset this year.

    The FRench have some decent players in their pack. They have an awesome front row though. I would take their props anyday. BUT they are out partying, their coach hates his own players, the players hate their coach. Their 10 sucks.

    How the hell they are in a final god only knows.

    The AB’s will be on their A-game as they know too well the hoodoo.

    I call a AB’s win.

  • 239.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-207: haven’t we seen this movie before? dewalt, captain SASchools etc, strong feature on the bulls set-up, captain of Emerging Boks, yeah yeah keep going and bang where is he now?, i bet you dewalt is going overseas after next year :roll:

    stander, van velze ngumgubo wengxowa enye…average at the moment!

  • 240.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-224: Nearly the same team, but yes, different ref.

    Relax… all logic says so.

    ABs thrashed France in their pool… So did Tonga… Japan nearly did, and Canada gave them a fright.

    And yet….

  • 241.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:36 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-238:

    Oh yes I remember how they got to the final.

    They played an English Team that went out to NZ to pick up hotel maids and bungey jump, they beat a 14 man team – ah yes.

    I remember

    What a disgrace

  • 242.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:36 am

    I will gladly and happily take steggies into the wp / stormers fold….

    We will give you Fondse back…

  • 243.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:36 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-235: Of which R170 million was just for interior renovations (not including any furniture).

    The revolution won’t be kind.

  • 244.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:37 am

    Was there ever a bigger underdog and favourite in the World Cup final…?

    Wonder what the odds were on the Boks and ABs in 1995?

  • 245.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:38 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-236: brussow not a star?

  • 246.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:38 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-222:

    hahahaha yeah right,just like Anton Leonard,Victor Matfield were Bok captains who were also captains of Blue Dynasty perhaps? Dont think so.

    And another thing is that its not a given that Bulls will dominate SA rugby landscape again.Not even Vince Lombardi had multiple generations of dominance,Heyneke has some work on his hands. When last didnt Bulls make CC semi??Not going to plan so far. Plus the junior teams arent as uber dominant as previous generation.Have watched them and there are no real “once in a generation” type talents so far. Good players in Mbonambi,Botha,Breedt,Jantjes,Frans Venter,CJ Stander but thats about it…Cornell Hess has stagnated a bit etc Its unlike likes of Spies,Strauss,Rallapelle,Potgieter etc generation.

    Its all up in the air right now…To be honest WP looks by far the most impressive with their young player stocks coming through in: Kitshoff,Etzebeth,Kolisi,Carr,Mbovane,JP du Plessis,Koster REAL standouts.. Then likes of Johaness,Shreuder,Hartzenberg,Groom,Ntubeni some decent provincial players at very least.

    Dont think any other union has that level of young talent to match WP at present.

  • 247.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:39 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-237: yip….I do believe Henry will get you boys in the right mental space though….

  • 248.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:41 am

    @grant10(grant10)-247:

    For sure

    They know all too well the feeling of losing to France in WC’s, many of these guys were there last time.

    It won;t happen again.

    Ab’s by 10

  • 249.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:43 am

    @grant10(grant10)-233: leave it, it is over and donw with, plod is Saracens’ problem now. Schalk Brits is kak bang!

  • 250.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:44 am

    @grant10(grant10)-245: He is already one. They guys I mention are future stars.

  • 251.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:45 am

    What i do blame Smit for is not saying in the quarter. Guys this ref aint going to give us penalties and he is letting the Aussies run riot at ruck time.

    Steyn go for drop goals when we are in the 22!!

  • 252.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:48 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-243:

    The main sticking point on the interior renovations was the jacuzzi issue.

    One faction in Cabinet supported a jacuzzi for each wife, whilst the more laissez-faire elements called for one giant jacuzzi to foster an esprit de corps.

    Fearing a polokwane sized rift in the party and being a disciple of consensus politics mshlozi went for both options.

    Furthermore it seems the census people stopped by at the father of the nation’s house on Monday.

    Apparently they are still there.

    Counting.

  • 253.stew: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:48 am

    @captain fantail(captain fantail)-13: Cant believe you guys dont like the Throat slitter – i think it is far intense and to be honest my family turn the TV up full blast to enjoy it more ( even though my girls and better half are traitorous Saffas) … It has full entertainment value and still gives me goosebumps , maybe it is a kiwi thing but be gauranteed you will see it on Sunday

  • 254.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:49 am

    With upsets you have to go big or go home.
    It doesn’t get any bigger than this weekend

  • 255.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:50 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-250: okay…

  • 256.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:52 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-239:

    This whole who is going to be future Bok captain business is futile really. There are so many players/youngsters that are built up as captain supremos that it seems that it seems to their “destiny”,sometimes has sense of entitlement to it-maybe not so much from the players themselves but their “community”. A few years ago it was Joe van Niekerk, then Gerrit van Velze,Chilliboy Rallapelle,Dewalt Potgieter,now CJ Stander…..Any trend you see???

    In my opinion Juan Smith should be post rwc skipper for 2 years then pass it on to Burger till RWC 2015.(Burger is only 28) Similiar to what AB’s are goping to do i think-McCaw for next 2 years then Read from 2013-beyond.

    Then next generation can jostle for leadership places within that period. But please no more talk of Bismark/Spies etc as Bok captains

  • 257.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:52 am

    So much to comment on, so little space:

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-236:

    What could be better than a headboy of Affies/Waterkloof type? That’s like the ultimate leadership qualities I can think of. Westpoint material.

    @Transformation(Transformation)-239:

    Potgieter’s sole limiting factor is his lack of size. Which is why CJ and Arno will be replacing him in the Bulls team before long. They have the necessary beef to add to their ability.

    @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-246:

    Most would argue that had Matfield captained the Boks at this World Cup we would have progressed a heck of a lot farther than we did under Barney’s leadership. So your argument doesn’t really make sense.

    To conclude:

    These are future leadership candidates. I’m sure other provinces have equally talented individuals, but if these individuals are of the same age as Stander and Botha, they were captained by the above two individuals at junior level.

    Anyway, a lot will still happen in the next few years. Quite exciting, really.

  • 258.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:54 am

    Auckland Herald 24 October 2011 – Possible Headline

    Kiwis smash Frogs in one sided affair
    or
    Overnight riots and burning of trains and labrador puppies bring Auckland to halt.

  • 259.DocNZ: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:56 am

    @stew(stew)-253: I hope we see it. This is a Haka unique to this team , I am sure that after Sundays game a few might retire and it will be fitting for them to do it one last time .

    Just watched the throast slitting stuff on the nz herald site , man the guys from Tonga were really up to it and really aprecaited the Ka Mate .

    Forget who should be captain, pick the bok coach first …!

  • 260.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:57 am

    @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-256:

    …or we could do a Greame Smith / Sam Warburton and invest in a youngster like Bekker or de Jongh.

    Groom the guy and give him the support he needs to grow

  • 261.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:57 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-252: “Cost estimates for these included R55m for a road; a fence at R42m; “Gate 1, 2 & dog unit” (R25.7m); electrical reticulation (R22m); outer boundary fence (R19.7m); generator room and substation (R15m); and, “Gate 1,2,4 & 5” (R13.2m).”

    Someone’s not getting three quotes. Naughty, naughty.

  • 262.Schalk is Pote Fouries daughter: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:58 am

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10760467&ref=rss

  • 263.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:58 am

    @Helen(Helen)-260:

    Bekker ain’t a youngster. He is 28 years old.

    De Jongh? Haha.

  • 264.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:00 am

    @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-256: look it didn’t help that Eric Sauls who is he Head of Blue Bulls High Performance was the U20 coach and picked at any point 8 to 11 Bulls players in the Baby Boks squad. goodness knows what Courtnall Skosan was doing in the team vs England in Italy when Tshotsho Mbovane was riding the wood!

  • 265.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:00 am

    @DocNZ(DocNZ)-259:

    Take a look at this.

    Peri’s throat slitting a bit over the top.

    Funny as hell.

    http://youtu.be/hd68leOH1C4

  • 266.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:00 am

    @stew(stew)-253:
    no, its the long pauses inbetween the dancing that puts me off the new one.
    i like the throat slitting bit and in fact think they could be even more explicit about it.
    but, as i said its the long pauses like when they go on their knees and just hang there mid haka…why stop?
    it would look better and be more appealing imo if they did it in one gracefull continuous routine with minimal short stops.
    you know…like the tempo and rhythm needs working on, but otherwise its fine.

  • 267.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:01 am

    To make sure we don’t end up with another Smit / Teichman / Pienaar incident, we should have a squad of captains who are then individually appointed to captain certain tournaments or tours.

    That way, we have the freedom of dropping a captain that doesn’t make the team and we empower more than one leader.

    In such a case, I’d pick Burger, Smith, Bekker, de Jongh, Lambie and Bismarck to form our leadership core

  • 268.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:01 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-263:

    Bekker is a Mr Sicknote and so is Brussouw.

    Mine as well get used to them being on the side-line

    Let’s hope Brussouw takes extra time to recover and comes back injury free. We need him

  • 269.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:01 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-263:

    Really!!!!

    I thought Bekker was still a youngster, 25 / 26 – ish?

  • 270.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:02 am

    choose best of the best Head Coach first and foremost….

    1 chance…

    1 farken chance

    or we sit with bloody 3 stooges again

  • 271.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:02 am

    @Helen(Helen)-260: uyabhanxa wena

  • 272.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:02 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-261:

    Lol you 2 :) funny ****’ers :)

  • 273.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:03 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-261:

    R22mil for a dog entrance?

    …and I thought my chihauhau had it good!

  • 274.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:05 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-268:

    Agreed.

  • 275.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:05 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-257: If you’re planning to stage a high school concert and a school newspaper, write some cheerleader songs, debate a few issues around appearance and discipline and kickstart all of this with skriflesing and gebed, then your guys are definitely right for the job.

    Westpoint my arse. CSV kringleiers, more like it.

  • 276.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:06 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-275:

    Hey, I was a CSV kringleier..

  • 277.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:07 am

    dewalt potgieter is a far better player at 8 than that useless wally spies….that is where he should be playing for bulls

  • 278.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:07 am

    @Helen(Helen)-273: Shhh! Capo still reads keo. He’ll think you’re talking about cosmetic surgery.

  • 279.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:08 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-261:

    I fancy a stab at Gate 1 & 2 Dog unit @ R 25.7 bar.

    Maevis is on her way to Builder’s Warehouse and the SPCA as we speak.

    If all goes well, we can have a stab at the boundary fence.

  • 280.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:09 am

    what the fark is a CSV Kringleier?

    Sounds like a leader of a masturba tion society!

  • 281.corporal punishment: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:10 am

    Best world cup 1995 without a doubt. Far more tries scored in the knockout section, final excepted. Jonah lomu’s performances, and such an intense final going to extra time!

    This tournament has been good, but I don’t think the rugby from the big teams has been of the same standard.

    Best player ever – I don’t see how you could choose. Nice of you saffas to pick cullen, but there are other candidates including Ella, Jonathan Davies, matfield, gerber, etc.

    It was a shame Cullen missed he 95 world cup, it was a travesty to play him at centre in 99. He probably should have gone in 99 as well, tho injuries had robbed him of his topend speed by ben.

  • 282.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:11 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-276: The defense rests, your honour.

  • 283.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:11 am

    @grant10(grant10)-280:

    Hehe. Something from a bygone era, I think.

  • 284.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:12 am

    @Helen(Helen)-273:

    we’re not talking about vajazzling your pet here.

    this is mshlozi’s safety.

    apparently people have tried to bump him off before.

    no price is too high.

  • 285.corporal punishment: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:14 am

    The tri nations games between the ab’s and boks will be somethin to look forward to next year. This year’s TN was pretty lame with understrength teams playing. new coaches for boy rams next year will see some full on confrontations between the old foes.

  • 286.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:14 am

    @grant10(grant10)-270:

    Applying basic logic, Miitchell does not want it !!, Mallet does not want it, Meyer does not want it , Venter won’t be offered it , Rassie won’t take it, Gatland re-signed with Wales, White also unavailable, that leaves:

    Plum , Coetzee, PDEV

    Think we need to make peace with the fact that reality will dictate that AC will get it, just cannot see any other coach getting it.

    I personally lay the blame at the doors of some of the egotistical coaches above who are all bek but are not willing to put their hands up !!

  • 287.DocNZ: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:14 am

    @cane(cane)-265: I lol’ed , kinda of thing HG would love …..

    If people dont like it , then dont watch it , go make a cup of coffee when it is on.

  • 288.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:15 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-276: Ek was ook!

  • 289.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:16 am

    @cane(cane)-265:

    Hilarious!!!

  • 290.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:16 am

    @Helen(Helen)-273:

    A chihauhau is a dog ?? Surely not :)

  • 291.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:16 am

    @justrugby(justrugby)-286: Eddie Jones?
    He was quoted in the Sunday times as interested but “heard it was already offered to someone”

  • 292.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:17 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-257:

    Whether Matfield captained Boks at RWC 11 is irrelevant, there was no ways Boks were going to win that quarter final game with Lawrence reffing breakdown in the manner he did.Matfield also wouldnt have changed that,he has never had a good rapport with any of the refs really, often gets upset & loses his cool-many a time have seen him told to step away by refs so he was unlikely to sway Lawrence in any favourable manner to Bok cause.And missed opportunities from Du Preez,fwd passes etc wouldnt have been changed by Matfield “captaincy”.Same with Smit on that day.

    So that argument holds little water neither. If you and others want to blame Smit for quarter final loss-go ahead but its hardly accurate nor is it objective.

    @Helen(Helen)-260:

    Not a big fan of that way of thought. Big fat success Smith has been,instead his tenure as Proteas captain was possibly the most controversial with the most upheavals and formation of player cabals etc especially early in his career hubris of youth plagues his captaincy.Not a great leader in my books.Warburton cost his team in the biggest game of Wales rugby history with a red card.

    So those 2 arent good examples….

  • 293.corporal punishment: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:18 am

    Got a ticket to the final today, and flights booked. Waited until mrs punishment had left to visit her parents in the SI before booking it all – EXPENSIVE!

    Can’t wait to get up to Auckland and experience the atmosphere. Has been a bit of an anti climax in welly, since the last qf here.

  • 294.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:18 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-279: I just don’t get it.

    Even if you look past the lavishness (does he need a sauna room?), how on earth can any of that cost that kind of money?

    The most expensive SA real estate were those two penthouse Waterfront apartments, at around R100mil each. So what the fck can possibly cost R400mil?

    Is he using Juju’s company? Because I hear they’re not cheap.

  • 295.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:19 am

    @justrugby(justrugby)-286: yip….

    Bloody grootbek Mallet wants the pom job…

    Brendon wants to fark around with Saravcens

    and Mitchell wants to turn Lions into super 15 force……

    I can live with Mitchells wishes….noble and it assists us anyway….

    But mallet and venter need to man up !

  • 296.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:19 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-278:

    bwhwhahahaha….

    Not MY dog entrance!

  • 297.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:20 am

    @Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-291:

    Possibly !!!…………………… personally I am not a huge EJ fan, but would not be too upset should he get the job !!!

  • 298.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:21 am

    @grant10(grant10)-295:

    Where’s Christie Noble and Chester Williams?

    Will they apply for the top job?
    I hope so.
    That will make AC look like the best option and will keep Grant from slashing his way through bank queues with a panga

  • 299.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:21 am

    @Helen(Helen)-296:

    True …………..a mousehole would suffice !!

  • 300.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:21 am

    @corporal punishment(corporal punishment)-293: have a blast mate

  • 301.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:21 am

    @grant10(grant10)-295: Stuff the thinking that the coach has to be a Sth African. Ewen McKenzie would be good for the Boks. The Aussies are already sniffing around him and for good reason.

  • 302.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:21 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-294:

    You sound surprised? Upset even?

    Why? He is democratically elected. He can do whateverthehell he wants and you will damn well be happy about it.

  • 303.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:22 am

    @grant10(grant10)-295:

    And HM !!

  • 304.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:23 am

    @Connag(1112Connag)-301:

    Agree ……….I said during the S15 that SARU must put out feelers as to his availability.

  • 305.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:23 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-294: zuma might not even get a 2nd term, he might be gone by the time the renovations are complete.

  • 306.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:24 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-294:

    R400mil is small change when you’re trying to outdo Mobutu Ek se ook So as the continent’s biggest spender!

  • 307.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:25 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-305:

    Hmmmmm…. are you saying Tokyo is behind these renovations and is framing Msholozi?

  • 308.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:25 am

    @Helen(Helen)-298: AC has spent too much time with jake the snake…..

    Not my cup of tea…..

    already choosing schalk as an opensider

    makes my blood boil….

    Rather eddie moans for me …..

    Rassie a nutcase of distinction as well……he will hate the media glare….

    Mitchell…mallet…b venter…..h meyer…

    in that order…my wish list..

  • 309.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:25 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-302: It’s not ready to show the world yet, but I’m working on a song called Bring Me My Shotgun.

  • 310.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:26 am

    Zuma should live like his subjects.
    Then he could save R23.7mil by not putting a wall around the toilets

  • 311.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:28 am

    @justrugby(justrugby)-304: Personally I don’t think its a case of SA coaches being bad, as no coach outside of SA has the politcal **** that goes with the job. If we can select the best, we will always be there or thereabouts. Ewen, however is a good coach NSW with all their politics is now realising it was fukcup letting him go.

  • 312.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:28 am

    @Connag(1112Connag)-301: i agree

    pro era

    best of the best

    i dont care where the oke comes from….

    in fact i would suggest a foreign oke may be the best tonic for us

    untainted and all that

  • 313.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:28 am

    @grant10(grant10)-308:

    better invest in that Namibian jersye then

  • 314.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:30 am

    outta here

    cheers all

  • 315.carol: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:30 am

    @grant10(grant10)-312:

    Hey, Martin Johnson may be looking for a job soon!! :lol:

  • 316.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:30 am

    @Connag(1112Connag)-301: @justrugby(justrugby)-304: look it is worth a stab, but i don’t know how successful it will be with this in mind:

    John O’Neill says Ewen McKenzie’s work at the Reds is “seriously good” by: Jim Tucker From: The Daily Telegraph July 08, 2011

    RUGBY supremo John O’Neill has for the first time anointedEwen McKenzie as the Wallabies’ coach-in-waiting because his work at the Reds is “seriously good”.

    O’Neill yesterday clarified the Australian Rugby Union’s desire to re-sign Test coach Robbie Deans for two more years and his top rating of McKenzie in succession plans.

    It is huge recognition for all that McKenzie has achieved in less than two years by turning serial losers into a force equipped to trump New Zealand’s Crusaders in tomorrow night’s blockbuster final.

    “Ewen’s credentials are now seriously good. Winning this final would be a wonderful notch on his CV,” O’Neill said of the sellout Suncorp Stadium decider.

    “The revival of rugby in Australia has been Reds led.

    “The renaissance has been quite extraordinary from an organisation that is now a leader, where a few years ago it was at an all-time low and with a business that was insolvent.

    “No one can preordain outcomes but to the question: Are we confident Ewen McKenzie is in our plans as a successor? Yes we are.”

    O’Neill and Queensland Rugby Union chairman Rod McCall have been party to the discussions, with McKenzie to synchronise his coaching at the Reds with Deans’ tenure.

    McKenzie has agreed to a one-year extension to coach the Reds until the end of 2013, which means he can build this year’s rise into long-term success.

    O’Neill indicated the QRU had made the first $750,000 repayment on the $3 million loan from the national body that was needed last year to refloat Queensland rugby financially.

    “The rebuilding job has not been for the faint-hearted,” O’Neill said.

    “Now you have a Reds semi-final attracting a fantastic average audience of over 265,000 on Fox Sports, a sell-out final and a team playing rugby how it can be played.”

    O’Neill said the momentum building in Australian rugby in a World Cup year is significant.

    “This is the year when you turn momentum into reality,” O’Neill said.

    “The Reds are doing that and it’s easy to drill down to see what Robbie Deans is building at the Wallabies.

    McKenzie expressed his disdain for bookies who have made the Crusaders $1.65 favourites for the final.

    “I find that disappointing,” McKenzie said. “I don’t want to be underdogs. I’d love to go in as favourites, which for me is just another little thing in our search for credibility.”

  • 317.carol: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:30 am

    @grant10(grant10)-314:
    Rat’s I missed you! !

  • 318.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:31 am

    Here you see my full name. I’m a Kiwi cheat, literally a ******** beyond all proportions.

    Here is my story, as summarised by a Rugby Union expert:

    http://blogs.sport24.co.za/David-Mac/bryce-lawrence-lord-of-the-whistles-17-Oct-2011

    (However, the extra cash will come in handy, maybe lots of prostitutes, booze, cars, drugs, you get my drift. If cheating is profitable, go for it!)

  • 319.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:32 am

    @justrugby(justrugby)-286:
    if saru goes foreign the perhaps mckenzie or woodward.
    if we stay local then saru or tac needs to remind heyneke of his christelike pligte.

  • 320.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:32 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-294:

    well. Juju is a trained carpenter.

    You can’t buy that kind of experience.

    They have inherited the apartheid procurement mentality.

    Whether it is presidential bidets or nuclear power stations.

    It must be bespoke.

    Anyway we’ve only seen the bill for the renovations.

    Where will the entourage stay whilst they are being carried out?

    Mshlozi could have finsihed his second term before the are finished.

    That’s five years at the One and Only Presidential Lodge.

    Five years of lobster thermidor and eggs benedict.

    The presidential arteries are going to look like Hospital bend at 4 o’clock on a friday afternoon.

  • 321.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:33 am

    Its been a while since I blogged here (read regularly) now all of a sudden I have a different name. I am agent 1112Connag?? Some new names I see and some good humour…Helen like your style.

  • 322.WP Till I Die: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:35 am

    @grant10(grant10)-280:

    CSV is short for “Christen-Studentevereniging” – Christian Student Association.

    And “kringleier” is Afrikaans for “group leader”.

    So Tacitus is saying, in essence, that he was a youth pastor :lol:

  • 323.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:36 am

    @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-322: A sky pilot?

  • 324.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:37 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-320:

    “Juju is a trained carpenter.” I thought he was a neuro surgeon???

  • 325.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:38 am

    How is it possible that we can have R21 bn’s irregular spending in a year?

    Even the Nats would have had diffculty doing that … they would probably have maxed at R15 bn, oh yes and no one would have known about it (I’ll give them that)

    I have nothing to say. Not even ‘no comment’

  • 326.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:42 am

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-325: So many noughts!

  • 327.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:43 am

    @Helen(Helen)-307: i’m saying Mangaung is not a done deal.

  • 328.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:44 am

    @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-322: bwahahahaha :mrgreen:

  • 329.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:45 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-71: Put a blanket on him! :lol:

  • 330.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:46 am

    @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-322:

    Yeah right, apparently he was once the main attraction at the “Strandverhoog, ATKV Strandoordt, Hartenbos. He performed just after Thys die Bosveldklong or Worsie Visser (I cannot remember , but they are (were) both the same so it does not matter)

    My friend, who was a lifesaver on that beach at the time, witnessed it all.

    The poor bloke is still therapy today.

  • 331.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:46 am

    @Connag(1112Connag)-321:

    Welcome Connag!
    You a dude or a do you have tittts?

  • 332.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:47 am

    Wp till I die

    No man. Nothing as big as that. You exxagerate significantly in that translation.

  • 333.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:48 am

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-325: I have seen many, many posts by Black Panther talking about results between the Boks and the AB’s has changed since neutral refs. Well if the NZ refs since 1992 is an indication of what their standard of refs in the past, the Boks must have been so much better than than AB’s to have the ledger in the BOks favour. Based on the POB, Honiss, Walsh and Lawrence they have always been cheats.

  • 334.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:48 am

    @Helen(Helen)-331: What do you want me to have?

  • 335.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:48 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-327:

    My money is on Tokyo coming out smelling like roses next December as deputy pres to Motlanthe.
    Zuma and Juju will fight until neither have any credibility left. Juju can afford it, Zuma not

  • 336.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:49 am

    The issue remains: Why do only under achievers and no hopers want the Bok coaching job?

  • 337.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:49 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-328: hehehe are you saying Izzy’s All Black strip is vlambaar?(sp) :D

  • 338.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:50 am

    @Helen(Helen)-335:

    In fact Tokyo smells’ ever so faintly of Givenchy.

    Old school revolutionary.

  • 339.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:50 am

    @Connag(1112Connag)-334:

    I want you to have an answer.

  • 340.WP Till I Die: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:51 am

    @Robzim(Robzim)-330:

    I heard about that!

    It was just before they announced the results of the Mnr Boeppens Contest, wasn’t it?

  • 341.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:51 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-338:

    Tokyo will be Motlanthe’s Apprentice.

  • 342.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:51 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-337: Why are you talking to yourself?

  • 343.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:52 am

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-329: Hey Rossi, I’m glad you’re here. Regarding our conversation on patriotism yesterday, I’d like you to have a look at this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRtK2oTa0ss&feature=related

    Skip the first 50 seconds, unless you want to hear a truly dreadful rendition of God Save The Queen. But then take a listen what true patriotism, in the rugby sense of the word, can mean. When applied at that level, it takes your appreciation for the game, and your emotional investment in it, to another level. I’m not advocating blind nationalism here – lord knows I hate our government as much as the next guy. But surely this emotion beats tagging onto someone else’s glory (and/or heartbreak)?

    Just saying.

  • 344.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:52 am

    @Connag(1112Connag)-334: Helen I have been around here for longer than I care to remember. I change computer lose passwords or rather forget, but I remember chatting to Cab years ago, maybe as long as 8 years ago.

  • 345.Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:53 am

    This rwc was so rigged by the kiwis it makes pro wrestling look like reality tv.
    So the Boks are out,not the end of the world for me.
    We all know the truth.

  • 346.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:53 am

    @Helen(Helen)-335: Zuma won’t mind, he’ll get the golden handshake he wanted all along and get all the perks former presidents get and that will be him. he’s never been a thought leader at any point and those that wanted mbeki out used his legal “troubles” and being sacked by mbeki as launch pad for a campaign. he is despensable to them.

  • 347.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:54 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-346: dispensable

  • 348.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:54 am

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-342: i meant to reply to you silly!

  • 349.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:55 am

    @Connag(1112Connag)-344: I’m a dude, how about you?

  • 350.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:55 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-338: givenchy you say…nice

  • 351.WP Till I Die: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:59 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-350:

    Not as nice as Miss Bikini at the ATKV Hartenbos Strandverhoog!

  • 352.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:59 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-343: if quotas were enforced and whites marginalised from the Springboks would you still vociferously cheer for them?

  • 353.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 11:59 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-346:

    He’ll go down in a blaze (no pun intended) of glory.
    I just don’t know how awkward it must be in cabinet meetings with Fikile, Mothlanthe and Tokyo.
    It must be brutal, much like a dinenr date of Bryce, Grant and HG.

  • 354.WP Till I Die: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:00 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-352:

    We still cheer for Bafana Bafana?

    :lol:

  • 355.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:00 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-336:

    The bok coaching job is like analsex for chicks.

    It’s not cool to be seen to be to into it.

    Otherwise you look like a ****.

  • 356.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:00 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-343: I’ll have a look.

  • 357.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:02 pm

    I also just want to say a big congrats to Minki and Erst on their engadgement. Erst I hope things go better for you than they did for the other chaps. :lol:

  • 358.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:02 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-352: Many think they are still enforced.

  • 359.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:03 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-346:

    Pity that your own 40 million people are dispensable to your own leaders as well.

    How come you guys don’t have leaders of true conviction? Why is each guy in it for himself?

    You’re a remarkably educated representative of your demographic group, so answer me this:

    Why has there not been a leader since you lot took over who has stood up and said, ok, let’s do what’s best for our downtrodden people, and if that means keeping competent non-blacks in their positions so that we can use them to develop the country, so be it.

    If that means ministers get to drive Corrollas instead of Beemers, so be it.

    If that means sacrificing quick self enrichment in exchange for meaningful longterm development – like China, Japan and South Korea did, then so be it.

    Why is it all such an utter disaster?

    Do you have a view on this? I’m geniunely interested.

  • 360.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:04 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-349: Helen?

  • 361.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:04 pm

    @WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-351: hehehe what goes on the :???:

  • 362.Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:05 pm

    Malema under fire over slur on Indians
    2011-10-20 10:27
    159 comments
    ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema is under fire after reportedly calling Indians “coolies” at a gathering in Thembelihle, south of Johannesburg.

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 363.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:05 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-352: They were, and I did. Next question.

  • 364.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:05 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-346:

    plus his whole family has eaten well.

    nephews sons etc.

    all had a good nosh at the trough.

    should be enough to keep him in leopard skins for a while.

  • 365.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:06 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-359: who the ffcuk is “you guys”?

  • 366.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:08 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-363: were whites marginalised?

  • 367.David: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:08 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-346:
    You forget that Zuma was head of ANC intelligence, when it’s main aim was ferreting out informers in its own ranks. Just about everyone was under suspicion then, and he’s now employed most of his senior spooks from those same ranks. The latest being Mac. There are so many skeletons around which he knows about, that he might not be indispensable, but he is almost untouchable if he decides to fight back.

  • 368.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:09 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-365: I think he means the leaders of the party.

  • 369.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:09 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-359: are afrikaners a monolithic homogeneous group? why do you assume black people are? don’t be stupid man!

  • 370.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:11 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-366: You’re hijacking this conversation down a dead end. Go watch the YouTube link I posted and comment on that.

  • 371.Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:14 pm

    I see some idiot said the world will end on Friday!! lol imagine how ironic that will be for the All Blacks …… fark me!!!

  • 372.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:16 pm

    @Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak(suffer_guy)-371: Hahahahaa. Aaah fark gotta love humour on this blog sometimes!

  • 373.David: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:16 pm

    @Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak(suffer_guy)-371:
    It’ll certainly end on Sunday, if they lose.

  • 374.Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:18 pm

    well if the Lions win the CC, the end must be near!

  • 375.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:18 pm

    @David(David)-367: fair assessment but him and his spooks won’t be able to stand against the ambitions of some of the “careerists” in the party. you ask yourself what happened to the hordes of people who made up the PAC, where do they stand “politically” now. are they also swelling the ranks of the anc in search of instant wealth using state machinery?

    even mosebudi mangena got sucked in, are they all for the interest of the people or for self?

    smuts ngonyama summed it well about 7 years or so ago when he got questioned about a largesse in the form of telkom shares that came his way, his retort was: “i didn’t join the struggle to be poor”

  • 376.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:22 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-343: I watched it. You’re right, the English anthem was terrible. :lol:

  • 377.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:23 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-370: well you’ve been begging the question on this topic all along, now provide me with an answer if you care to.

  • 378.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:23 pm

    @David(David)-373: I could live with that, but in a way they deserve to win, but something is just a bit fishy about this world cup!

  • 379.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:25 pm

    @Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak(suffer_guy)-371: World may end on Sunday… A bunch of froggies could be sitting on a rugby nuclear button…

    Rainbow warrior aint got nothing on what we might see….

  • 380.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:25 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-343: The thing is Katman, I don’t feel that way for the Boks. I don’t consider them mine.

  • 381.David: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:26 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-375:
    The PAC also fell victim to personal power struggles, as you know. I agree that it’s far too easy to generalise about motives, as friends of mine who were heavily involved at various levels are now still working their butts off trying to make a difference in NGOs.

  • 382.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:28 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-369:

    “monolithic homogeneous group………”

    YIP.
    8)

  • 383.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:28 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-379: McCaw will not let those frenchies take his glory! Not this time. :lol: I was watching Reunion last night. Tierry Le Croix comes accross as such a nice guy! Jovial and funny, plus he said sh1*t on tv.

  • 384.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:29 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-379: Wonder why the Kiwis dont actually ask themselves why are their refs so poor. Walsh, Honiss,O’Brien, Lawrence, surely it is not incompetence. Its more like years of domination of the Springboks in their youth has made them bitter and pathological cheats!

  • 385.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:30 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-377: Look, apart from a few white players who missed out due to quotas, no one has been marginalized for close on two decades now. Does that answer your question?

    Now back to my point: If you don’t have an emotional investment in the team you support, your experience is shallow and hollow by comparison. All these Man U fans across the world think they’re it, but their “fandom” is nothing compared to an old man, born and raised in Manchester. Ditto for the international All Black supporters. They’re simply the results of the spread of a global franchise. A marketing success, and little more.

  • 386.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:32 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-380: With all due respect, that just sounds like something you say when people ask. They could easily “be yours” but you’ve chosen a cool brand and you’re sticking with it.

  • 387.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:32 pm

    @Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak(suffer_guy)-371: \

    If the world should end on Friday, it would be a complete travesty.

    Forever, SA and Australia would be locked on Two (2) WC’s each.

    And we all know Australia are the superior Team.

    8)

  • 388.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:32 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-383: His glory? And there I was thinking it was AB glory… no, New Zealand glory… Oh well maybe thats what you get from Caped Crusaders…twisted sense of glory?

    Have you organised a little mini ticker tape parade in George yet? They’ve already organised a couple in NZ proper… Don’t get left behind.

  • 389.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:33 pm

    To my mind the following is happening:

    Zuma ushered in a time of uncontrolled and diabolical self-enrichment; that’s from the political side.

    Economically, those in control – many who reside in Stellenbosch – are consolidating things, so that not too long in future only a handful of people will control most things in the private sector.

    This means that the money flows to a few, whether through above board business or through ‘tenderpreneurial projects’

    So the guys in the middle are the losers and unfortunately thats where most South Africans are.

    The ANC is reading from ZANU PF’s manual right now of how to sink a country in 2 to 3 decades. What we’re seeing right now is the ‘mugabelisation’ of South Africa.

  • 390.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:35 pm

    @cane(cane)-387: Hmmm considering they competed in 2 more than the Boks I doubt it, but them most AB followers think Lawrence is a good ref.

  • 391.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:35 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-384:

    LOSERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 392.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:36 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-384: I dont know whether you could call them “cheats”… its like calling a vicious dog evil… or a child who commits murder “criminal”… sometimes it could just be that they know no better… part of their nature…

    A Kiwi ref by his very nature could just be biased… or dishonest.

    Just a theory though, dont take my word for it.

  • 393.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:37 pm

    @cane(cane)-391: CHEEEEAAATTTEEERRRR

  • 394.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:38 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-385: how do you value “emotional engagement” can only a born and bred manc have you percieved quotient of “emotional engagement” with Manchester United?

    i asked you, “would you vociferously support a Springbok team where whites were marginalised” yes or no?

  • 395.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:38 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-389: Hate to agree, but I do..

  • 396.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:38 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-392They are incopetent cheats. They have been doing it since 1992.

  • 397.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:39 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-396: m should be a p, p should be an m ….

  • 398.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:40 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-386: If your analogy is correct, and what I feel for the AB’s is nothing but a marketing success, then I am doomed Katman never to feel what you do for your team, because what I feel for the Boks is tepid at best. It’s what it is and I’ve accepted that.

  • 399.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:40 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-389: One admirable thing about big man Zuma is how he totally taught Mbeki the lesson of his political life… Ended his career.

    The uneducated cattle herder outmatches the learned intellectual…

    Much like the France vs AB matchup on Sunday…

  • 400.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:40 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-392: :D you’re vindictive

  • 401.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:41 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-392: @Connag(1112Connag)-397: What do you call Johan Meuwessen then? :lol:

  • 402.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:41 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-396: I wouldnt say incompetent… Give credit where it is due.

  • 403.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:42 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-399: The sheep farmers gonna get shagged? What justice. Joubert just needs to put in a similar performance to Lawrence.

  • 404.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:42 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-401: Did Meuwessen ref in a World Cup? Twisted…

  • 405.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:43 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-399: zuma was just a passenger/ figurehead, he got used. hollow victory for him.

  • 406.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:44 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-404: His very “nature” is to cheat for his own country right?

  • 407.ufo: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:44 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-352:

    if i may answer your question…?

    unequivocally, yes… even if white players were marginalised… i would still support the boks just as vociferously… even if every player and entire coaching staff was black…

    i would also be interested to hear the answer to that same question from all the saffa AB supporters…

    if there were no white players in the bok team… would you all still support the ABs…?

  • 408.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:44 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-390:

    Watch the game again with BOTH EYES OPEN.

    You Okes got away with just as much as the Aussies.

    YOU LOST.
    Suck it up.

    You had 68% of possession and forced the Aussies to take twice the number tackles you had to make.

    But your Team was just plain dumb. Boks had the tactical nous of Neanderthals.

    And when you lost you cried like babies……………………………… all the way home.

    Australia on the other hand were gracious losers last weekend.

  • 409.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:44 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-394: Why do you support the Boks?

  • 410.David: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:44 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-385:
    I made the same point the other night, but I think black people not identifying with the Boks is a lot easier to understand. If you think back 4 years when the Springbok emblem was also under threat, the number of bloggers here who were almost hysterical in claiming that the ANC were attempting to take over “their” game and symbol? That had nothing to do with patriotism as a SA national team, regardless of its name, wouldn’t change. I can fully understand why a number of black South Africans agree with them, that the Springboks represent the old order.

  • 411.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:44 pm

    Johan Meuwessen is a dirty cheat !

  • 412.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm

    @ufo(ufo)-407: good for you :D

  • 413.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-400: No. Being understated. Humble even.

  • 414.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:47 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-393:

    8)

    That’s the spirit …………………..(I think).

  • 415.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:47 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-409: they’re the South African national rugby team.

  • 416.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:48 pm

    @cane(cane)-408:

    http://blogs.sport24.co.za/David-Mac/bryce-lawrence-lord-of-the-whistles-17-Oct-2011

    Read the above, speak then, Mr Blind (get it?).

  • 417.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:49 pm

    @ufo(ufo)-407: UFO it’s not the same thing. You are saying you would support a collection of players on the pitch that are of colour.

    We are saying, would you do so, if you knew that there was a system in place in Saru, where all white kids playing rugby, and current white players will never ever, ever represent the Boks, or the franchises and the best they’ll achieve is playing for fun. Would you then still support the Boks. :lol:

  • 418.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:51 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-406: No… Take a Caped Crusader. What is their “nature”?

    - treachery?
    - self-hate?
    - betrayal?

    No, maybe none of those. It could just be that they support who they think is the best team… The “shiny, glittery” team…

    Like magpies, they just want to steal and appropriate shiny, glittery things and place them in their nests…

    Its part of their scavenging “nature”.

  • 419.ufo: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:51 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-412:

    please ask the the saffa AB supporters the same question…

    surely in the interests of a full debate your question is just a valid to them…? and just as enlightening to everyone else…?

    or are you only interested asking the difficult questions of bok supporters…?

  • 420.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:52 pm

    @cane(cane)-408: As gracious as you in 2007.
    Your mob have rode on the backs of your cheating cousins since 1992. Oz refs get the yarpies Kiwi get the yarpies. Kissing cousins.
    This World Cup has been manipulated to ensure an AB win. So hollow if you win.
    1987 all over again hollow, hollow hollow.

  • 421.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:52 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-415: Would you say it comes from a mentality of being on the outside, and being desperate to have your chance and feel emotionally entitled to be included on the inside. Whereas for me, it’s being on the outside, and vowing never to touch the inside with a 10 foot pole.

  • 422.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:53 pm

    @cane(cane)-408: sshit talker! how many tries did you score on australia with 60% possession? 1, how many drop goals? 1, how many penalties? a litany. the aussies shaded you in terms of territory but you okes cashed in because the referee on the day pinged the offenders from the defending team. in the 8th and 11th minutes pocock leaked 6pts for fiddling with the ball off his feet and the referee didn’t look away.

  • 423.Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:53 pm

    Johan Meuwessen – made the correct call !! whether it was according to the rules or not! if you want to win a game with a forward pass – aka cheating then ya, go 4 it

  • 424.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:54 pm

    @cane(cane)-414: Yep its in your DNA.

  • 425.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:54 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-418: So you admit the Ab’s are better than the Boks. :lol: If so, why are you so upset, it’s not like the Boks were going to win anything at this world cup. :lol:

  • 426.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:55 pm

    @David(David)-410: And on paper that all sounds fine. But I am pretty sure that the majority of the local AB fans don’t have such noble motives. Of course most will claim otherwise, but I’m talking about that honest little place in your heart where even you can’t lie to yourself. In fact, I reckon that if 5% do it for purely ideological/political reasons, that’s a lot. No, it’s a well marketed brand that comes with guaranteed success and a handy justification. What a deal.

  • 427.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:55 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-422: Be honest, even you said the Boks are naive. The Boks lost because they have never been the most inteligent players in rugby. Top two inches did them in.

  • 428.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:55 pm

    Post 416, Bryce.

    70:16 min – Danie Rossouw penalty for holding Samo’s leg O’Connor puts Australia back in the lead (missed by the Ref, a touch judge call ).

    End of.

    Dumb Fhukk Dannie cost you the game.

    A very small head, on a very large body.
    A disastrous combination.

  • 429.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:55 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-399:

    Mate, African politics is a numbers game.

    South Africa with 75% African blacks lend itself to this type of abuse; they have the numbers so there is no need to deliver on the broader issues.

    What they have a profound understanding is to ‘buy votes’ ; it could be food parcel and a bottle of beer and loud music and his vote is yours. You also need a strong emotional message ‘ Apartheid or the British’ in Mugabe’s case.
    So with a recipe like that and cost effective mechanisms you could potentially literally budget for your continued rule (say put aside R5m every 5 years)

    Zuma to my mind is a willing puppet put there by forces around him. With him there they can plunder to their heart’s content. They know he is a master at stalling and everything that goes with it. He has got it down to a fine art.

    Madiba spent 27 years on Robben Island; at this rate it will take less than that to undo all that that generation fought for.

  • 430.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:56 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-415: Exactly.

  • 431.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:58 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-426: And an underlying deep rooted percentage of pure hatred in your heart for the green and gold that surfaces everytime you watch a test.

  • 432.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:59 pm

    You see… Sometimes nature is more powerful than nurture…

    No matter how much you may have been taught that it is not okay to be dishonest, your nature may dictate that it is okay to be one-eyed in a match involving the “Yarpies”.

    No matter how much you may be told that the Rugby World Cup is not your right and that you must not underestimate the French, your nature dictates that it is okay to relax and organise ticker tape parades…

    Nature vs Nurture… we are seeing it played out in this World Cup

  • 433.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:59 pm

    @Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak(suffer_guy)-423: So he cheated the rules so that the Ab’s wouldn’t have a try awarded against SA. Nice one Johan. There is a word for that. Mmmmmmmhhhhh Cheat!

  • 434.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 12:59 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-420:

    We have not won anything yet Connie.

    And stand a 50/50 chance of winning sweat “F” all.

    If it were a conspiracy, we would be playing Sweat Georgia in the final.

  • 435.ufo: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-417:

    hey rosso… i just look stupid… :wink:

    of course i understood the question…

    the choice of words in your post are your choice of words… not mine… if you’ll allow me to use my own words…

    i am a south african and support every south african team and sports person who represents south africa… period… no if buts or maybes…

    and yes even if players were being excluded because of colour i would still support the players and team that did represent south african

    we already have issues of players been kept out of the team… but i support the players that are selected…

    but please answer my question…

    if whites were excluded from the bok team and every player was black… would you support the boks or would you still support the ABs…?

  • 436.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm

    @ufo(ufo)-419: well i don’t know why you want specifically ME to ask that question, when whoever you feel should answer it is here for you to ask them.

    you on the other hand would cheer for a springbok team where whites are barred from ever wearing the jersey and SARU is required by law to apply for permits to allow a small number of white parents and spectators into the stadium only if SARU will provide separate entrances, toilets, canteens etc and even then, only souties will be allowed. :D

  • 437.Muttonbird: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-400: It’s quite common for some fans to tie their manhood to the fortunes of the national team. That’s why HG is in such a state right now.

    Has Kobus Kitty been in to congratulate the ABs on making the final yet?

  • 438.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:01 pm

    @cane(cane)-428: That wasn’t the turning point, the whole 80 minutes was the turning point. In 2007 it was a pom who missed a forward pass. In 2011 in was a Kiwi who cheated us out of defending the cup….see the difference? One of you!
    Its in your DNA you are a cunning, devious mob.
    Hollow, hollow, hollow!

  • 439.Muttonbird: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:03 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-420: NZ has managed to win on the field though – haven’t resorted to poisoning to ensure victory.

  • 440.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:03 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-438: You forget the 16 penalties France got in one half, and how NZ got none. Bryce didn’t give the Aussies penalties on top of penalties at all. It was the Boks who were wanting some, instead of just playing the game and creating their own points. Pathetic!

  • 441.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:04 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-425: Like a Magpie thinking that all that glitters is best… Until that nest collapses under the weight of the big shiny ring placed among the twigs…

    Its nature vs nurture…

    And Magpies are the thieves of the animal kingdom… They steal the glittery things belonging to others.

  • 442.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:04 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-431: My bullshit detector is going berserk right now. “Pure hatred”? Yeah right, what did the Boks ever do to you? (How old are you, by the way?)

    You’re just justifying, and not very well.

  • 443.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:05 pm

    @Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-439: And you forgot about the gold watch Louis Luyt gave the ref Bevan who blew the final in 1995.

  • 444.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:06 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-421: no, none of that emotional hankering stuff. i choose to support SA teams, it is my right and it was denied to some but it never ceased to be mine. the problem was with them not me :D

  • 445.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:06 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-442:

    You need to read one of le pantalon noir’s posts.

    That should reset it.

  • 446.ufo: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:06 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-436:

    not hard to understand… or maybe it is… :roll:

    i want you to ask that question and insist on an answer simply because you asked the question of katman and insist on an answer…

    but maybe you only want to find hypocrisy in some people…?

  • 447.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:07 pm

    @Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-439: The Boks won on the field as well. Poisoning? Of course the AB’s never just lose.

  • 448.Muttonbird: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:08 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-447: Not often.

  • 449.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:08 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-442: Katman. Transformation and I were watching the Ireland v Aussies match, and I was cheering the Irish. When the result came I said that for the next few weeks I would cheer the Boks against Figi and Samoa and Namibia to end top of their group and wait for the quarters when the Aussies will F8ck them up! He looked at me strangely and said why I hated his team so much, and I said, I’ve tried to watch a bok game against say, the Aussies, and watch with an eye to cheer them on, but it didn’t work. It just felt unnatural! Like an out of body experience. I couldn’t do it.

  • 450.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:08 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-442:

    Jerry, Jerry, Jerry

  • 451.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:08 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-429: Zuma is underestimated… continually, like France in the RWC.

    Often chaotic…
    Contradictory…
    Shoots himself in the foot…
    Seems to be weak…

    But somehow comes through against all odds…

  • 452.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:09 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-440: Lets stick to Bok v Wallaby game, 2 wrongs don’t make a right. So because the AB’s were done, the Boks should be done. Sorry but that is weird logic.

  • 453.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:09 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-449:

    where you from?

  • 454.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:09 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-447: And everytime the Boks lose it’s match fixing?

  • 455.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:11 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-452:

    Weird logic rules around here.
    Wait until ET logs on, then you’ll sluk your words and be thankful for the logic on here.
    ET will make you wish you never learnt to read.

  • 456.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:12 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-454: Nope. No match fixing in the 1999 RWC when the Boks lost against Australia. The better team won. The ref was fair and honest.

    No match fixing in the 2003 RWC when the Boks lost against NZ. The better team won. The ref was fair and honest.

    A different story all together in the Rigged World Cup 2011.

    But I know its not in your nature to be logical.

  • 457.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:13 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-452: I was refering to 2007 (ab’s), then 2011 (boks). Abs are not done. Boks are.

  • 458.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:14 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-453: South Africa.

  • 459.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:14 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-426:

    To be fair katman,

    I think some of it goes back as far the 1970 AB Tour of The Republic.

    The only coloured or black people seen at those games, on TV,
    were sitting behind the goal posts,
    cheering whenever BG Williams had a run with the ball.

    Why cheer BG Williams………………………………………..because he looked a little like they did.

    And those that didn’t look them had the good seats. And always did have.

    I would like to see all SAfricans’ embrace their National Team. And eventually they will.
    But SA Rugby has to earn that support.

    Yours is a most complicated Country.

  • 460.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:15 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-454:

    The Boks are the best team EVER.
    In the interest of placating our Maori brothers who were discriminated against and to let kiwis have more than just Edmund Hillary to be proud of, we let them win. Shame, they have no Madiba, no Steve, no Oscar…. heaven knows they need to win at SOMETHING!
    In the case of the Aussies, the shackledraggers struck a deal with Madiba to win every 2 out of 3 games. Someting to do with ex con courtesy.

  • 461.ufo: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:15 pm

    @ufo(ufo)-435:

    rosso…

    a simple yes or no will suffice…

    @Transformation(Transformation)-444:

    and yet you’re incredulous that i could simply support a south african team just because it is a south african team…

    your term… “high horses” comes to mind…

  • 462.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:15 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-426: “But I am pretty sure that the majority of the local AB fans don’t have such noble motives.”

    you see this is why it is futile to have this debate with you are just begging the question. you’ve already arrogantly made up your mind on the supposed motives of the people you know sshit about and their conditioning. that is fine but don’t purport that people who “supported” the all blacks in the 1960′s were just consumers of a well marketed brand.

    support for the all blacks was born out of defience and was passed on to progeny, who some for reasons known to themselves carry it still.

    when gio aplon was picked to play for the boks in the tri-nations last year he said some of the old people in his neighbourhood said they will now change and support the boks since one of their own was there but some said never.

  • 463.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:16 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-457: Sorry still does not make sense.

  • 464.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:17 pm

    @cane(cane)-459: A Kiwi expert on race relations.

    A Kiwi expert on South Africa…

    My, oh my, what can’t Kiwis do or pronounce about…?

  • 465.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:17 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-456:

    Agree.
    Because of Bryce “swiss bank account” Lawrence, there is a hollowness about this RWC final. Same as 1987 when the Boks weren’t allowed to play

    The Boks were the only team with a game plan that could match / neutralise the Kiwis. Things could’ve been very different if someone else had blown that qrt final

  • 466.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:18 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-460: To you maybe. Not to me.

    @ufo(ufo)-461: I dont know what you talking about. re post your issue.

    @Transformation(Transformation)-462: Well said. Deep down I would feel like a traitor if I wore the Bok jersey.

  • 467.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:19 pm

    @Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-439:

    That’s was an underhanded jab to the jaw when the Okes weren’t ready for it.

    I like that in a man.

    8)

  • 468.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:20 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-464:

    Something strange happens to the psycholigical wisdom of a person once they’ve tasted the fluffy bits of a free range sheep.

  • 469.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:20 pm

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-359:

    Yeah Yeah Tac,the way your post is worded clearly illuminates your level of “interest” of “you lot”.

    But Anyway to answer your question.

    The very nature of changing a country with the history of South Africa and past policies/results of such is more complicated then that layman hypothesis you have just presented.

    Leaders past and present have stood up and aimed to change the lives of the downtrodden people in this country. And have achieved that in varying degrees throughout the 17 or so years of democratic rule. There have been plenty of mistakes made but there has also been astounding progress in many areas. One doubting any of those 2 is delusional.

    About keeping competent non-white in their positions,the question is are those individual willing to contribute to the developing of this country? Because with the developing of this country and the ultimate goal of spreading the resource base to the greater majority/population of South Africa-this directly & indirectly means that the current status quo of which demographically a certain minority controls resource base(financially and otherwise)-is commandeered to change & has to through various policies employed. Are they will to change that,contribute to that change? ie: farmers & willing buyer/willing seller land appropriation policy.Not willing co-operate, not willing after land is sold to enter mentorship programmes to help or contribute to farms to be productive even after theyve gone.The education/mentorship process. etc not willing to sell at market related prices etc etc

    The Corrollas and beemers issue is really nothing in the greater scheme of things and the indescrepancies that exist in this country. And with the volatile nature of politics in this country and danger facing politicians(spate of poltical murders,etc) such vehicles one can argue are imperative for their protection. You wont find bullet proof corrolla’s speeding away from immediate danger etc

    In terms of China/*Japan/Korea etc they have a completely different traits and dynamics to their society encompassing all spheres: politically,societal,industrial etc. For one the fused ideologies that exist amongst Asian countries namely China of one of years of systematic Communist ideals in conjunction with current Capitalist attitudes allows China to function in an environment unique to their society and that no other nation can even profess to know about-especially West or Western influenced. And its what allows them to flourish at present along with their obvious strategic advantages that exist in their industrial expertise & massive labour force governed by that fused ideological ideal.. Dont profess to be an expert but some of the stuff I have read,studied etc point to such.

    But that is in no way to excuse some of the balls-ups that have been made especially in last 5 years or so by SA government. Its still very much a work in progress,liie for instances during current dispensation there has been more prosecutions, investigations, corruptions tribunals etc and the like in government many dating back a very long time ie: Arms Deal,The 3 Amigos,Malema & Youth League tribunal,active role of Public Protector Madonsela etc.

    Agh one can go on for days about this.But its a work in progress,let it not cloud the victories & accomplishments that have been achieved(ex: SA to a large extent averting impacts of depression/financial crisis while likes of Greece,Portugal,Spain implode etc)

    Still a long way to go though.

    And no Malema wont become president.

  • 470.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:20 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-462: “who some for reasons known to themselves carry it still.”…. What reasons?

  • 471.ufo: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:21 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-466:

    don’t worry about it… :wink:

  • 472.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:21 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-463: Are you saying what was done to the Ab’s was wrong, and the Irb, should have ensured that it never happens to any other team, and the second wrong that happend was to the boks? Is that what you are saying?

    In reply. You’re right. But I didn’t see you lot crying for the injustice done to the Ab’s 4 years ago, you just celebrated the fact that you were world cup winners. Therefore, I feel nothing for your plight now.

  • 473.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:21 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-466: So you feel a sense of “belonging” wearing an AB jersey.
    Weird really weird. Same as your 2 wrongs make a right. Weird really weird.
    Each to their own.

  • 474.Muttonbird: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:21 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-456: The better team did win in the 2011 QF – recent results confirm that and SA had a coach in title only. Senior players have admitted they ran the team and that’s what it looked like from the outside. When you got players running the team, the game-plan stagnate because they’re not experienced coaches. BL had a poor game but the Boks were worse as they have been for two years now – haven’t fired a shot.

    Conclusion – The Boks are not good right now, if only you could see it.

  • 475.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:22 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-466:

    That was tongue in cheek fella… I’m at PnP, should I pick up a bottle of sense fof humour for you?

    @cane(cane)-467:

    I’m glad you like men. Explains why you want to chase away everyone with a va gina.

  • 476.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:23 pm

    @Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-439: Just cheating, pure unadulterated cheating. DNA?

  • 477.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:23 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-468: I wonder what it is? Is it a type of myopia?

  • 478.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:23 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-464:

    I know, I know………………………………………………… HG.

    You are right.

    A know all Kiwi, etc, etc.

    Then tell me why,
    so many of yours…………………………….prefer ours.

    (It cannot be because you are LOSERRRRRRS, surely).

    8)

  • 479.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:24 pm

    @Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-474:

    You can’t possibly believe that???
    Surely not?
    No-one intelligent enough to own a PC and write a full sentence in English, could possibly believe that Aus were the better team.
    The ref cost us a minimum of 24 points in that game…. Admit it that refs can determine the outcome of a game and that is what happened

  • 480.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:24 pm

    @ufo(ufo)-461: “incredulous” – i said “good for you” point out the incredulity :D

  • 481.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:25 pm

    @ufo(ufo)-435: I would not support them. I just don’t like the Boks and no magic wand is going to make me.

  • 482.Muttonbird: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:25 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-460: I didn’t realise this was comedy hour.

  • 483.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:26 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-472: So that makes the cheating right. Yep weird, fukced up in fact. Doesn’t change a Kiwi cheated the Boks, a Saffa did not cheat the Kiwis.
    Hollow, hollow oh so very hollow.

  • 484.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:26 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-480: He also doesn’t fully comprehend the extent of the illustration. At least I don’t think he does. His answer makes no sense to me, unless he is insane.

  • 485.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:27 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-475:

    Are not trying to tell me you are post-op Helen.

    No more balls to scratch?

  • 486.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:28 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-483:

    LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOSSSSSSSEEEEEERRRRR!

  • 487.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:28 pm

    @cane(cane)-478: and why so many of yours prefer Australia….CCCHHEEEAAATTTEEERRSSS.

  • 488.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:28 pm

    @Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-474: Peripheral issues for one game… No doubt important if considering the overall context of the last 4 years.

    But for this one game, there is no question which team was dominant… and no question that the ref was as crooked as a hairpin bend… especially when considering the following game where the ABs similarly dominated and were rewarded…

  • 489.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:29 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-483: So it’s all about the irb in relation to the South Africans. Not the right or wrong of detrimental decisions by an irb ref. Tell me, were all Nzlanders supposed to take their hate out on all English people for the past 4 years, because of where Wayne Barnes’ comes from? Does that make sense to you?

    See why I feel fokkol for your anger and pain. Deep down I think back to the 1995 france semi final, and the gold watch from Louis Luyt, and I think the Boks deserved it. Karma if you will.

  • 490.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:31 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-460:
    Helen.
    You make me laugh.
    Is this the same Boks that is out of the RWC, lying 4th on the rankings,that have lost more tri nations than any?
    I think maybe yhou think they are the best ever and good on you but the stats, rankings and head to head begs to differ.

  • 491.Muttonbird: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:31 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-479: Sorry, AUS has prevailed over the Bokke 5 of the last 6 now. It’s not hard to see the pattern. You can see it takes more than possesion and territory to win a game – SA don’t have it right now. It’s sad and I weep for you.

  • 492.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:31 pm

    I don’t think Keo, JC, and Ryan will go home.

    Would you?

    Yeah right.

  • 493.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:31 pm

    @cane(cane)-478: Be proud of Caped Crusader support.

    It is thoroughly deserved.

    Especially for Winners. Winners of RWC 2011 already it seems.

  • 494.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:31 pm

    @Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-474:

    Time to hit the backyard. Those sheep won’t shaggg themselves you know? You are bringing down the average intelligence of this blog.

    @cane(cane)-478:

    Itt is more an indictment of those who have no sense of patriotism than it is on your team, so don’t flatter yourself. We don’t judge all kiwis just because a section of your population are cannibals, do we?

    @Connag(1112Connag)-476:

    Now, you are the one making no sense…

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-477:

    For me it seems that NOT supporting your national team because of someting that ended 17 years ago, is just silly…. It is called a national team for a reason, isn’t it? It’s not like it is a club or something. It’s akin to rooting for a stranger when he’s in a fight against your brother. It’s just not natural!!

  • 495.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:31 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-473: To each their own.

  • 496.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:33 pm

    Look at this.
    I am laughing so hard at the poor South Africans.
    Sorry but you guys are becoming a pathetic little bunch.

  • 497.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:33 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-493:

    NOTHING HAS BEEN WON.
    end of.
    full stop.
    period.

    France is France.
    A monumental clash awaits.

  • 498.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:34 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-494: I don’t know any of the Bok players. They are strangers to me and I certainly don’t feel like they are my brothers. I support the team I grew up supporting. See no reason to switch to yours. No reason whatsoever.

  • 499.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:34 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-481: Dude, not to be silly but if you dislike the boks..and by defualts saffas, why visit this site?

  • 500.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:34 pm

    @cane(cane)-492:
    lol

  • 501.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:35 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-490: Yes the same Boks that have lost more 3N than the other two teams in the antipodes…

    Could it just be rugby reasons that the Boks tend to lose more than the other nations win in the 3N and S15?

    Thats another story altogether.

    SARU have a lot to answer for in allowing SA to be antipodean patsies. For sure.

  • 502.Muttonbird: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:35 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-488: I don’t buy it. SA lost the one weapon that would have combatted Pocock. Brussow’s departure was a blow as BL would have looked upon his flopping all over the ruck style with as much favour as he did Pocock’s. The gods must have seen fit to repay Brussow for his Hollywood dive vs Samoa.

  • 503.Bill Reyts: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:35 pm

    Breaking News: Sky reports:

    Ousted Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi has been captured, according to a National Transitional Council official.
    He was reportedly injured in both legs.

  • 504.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:36 pm

    @Skeppie(Skeppie)-499:
    dude???
    lol Rossoneri will slap you :-)

  • 505.ufo: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:36 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-480:

    the ‘good for you’ was in your previous post… (but you know it…)

    the incredulity was in post 436… but I’ll cut n paste it for you…

    “you on the other hand would cheer for a springbok team where whites are barred from ever wearing the jersey and SARU is required by law to apply for permits to allow a small number of white parents and spectators into the stadium only if SARU will provide separate entrances, toilets, canteens etc and even then, only souties will be allowed. :lol: ”

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-481:

    good for you… i’m not trying to make you… just trying to understand more fully… sincerely…

    so… if the ANC said… “to right the wrongs of the past and for a little revenge as well we now declare that no white person shall ever represent south africa again… the springbok team shall not be called the springbok team… they will not wear green and gold or have a springbok anywhere in sight on the kit… they will wear the colours of our national flag… and everyone in the team will be black… and we will call them the black gnus (wildebeest being an afrikaans word after all) or black rhinos… and any white person who wants to watch them with have to pay special prices for special tickets and may only use the back entrance and must sit behind the poles…”

    would you still support the ABs…?

  • 506.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:36 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-496:

    They are now attacking those among themselves who think differently.

    RUGBY THOUGHT CRIME.

    What next.

  • 507.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:37 pm

    @cane(cane)-497: Just Relax… The ABs are. Its all in the bag…

    Absolutely no chance of underestimating France.

    How can they possibly win.

  • 508.Sharkie10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:37 pm

    Moving on from WC to CC now. What an exciting weekend of rugby. WC Final then the CC semi finals. Don’t know if anyone seen, but the sharks picked one good side for the show down against bogey side, the Cheetahs.

    15. Lambie (International experience)
    14. Ndungane (International experience)
    13. Terblanche (International experience)
    12. Joubert (International experience)
    11. JPP (International experience)
    10. Freddie (International experience)
    9. Hoffman
    8. Kanko (International experience)
    7. Alberts(International experience)
    6. Daniel (International experience)
    5. Skeate
    4. DEYSEL (International experience)
    3. Jannie (International experience)
    2. Bissie (International experience)
    1. Beast (International experience)

    16. Burden
    17. Van staden
    18. Coetzee
    19. Botes
    20. Cronje
    21. Jacobs (International experience)
    22. Mvovo. (International experience)

    Pretty good side that, 14 internationals in that 22. Think the Cheetahs will give the sharks a run for their money, but a side like this should come out on top. I HOPE!

  • 509.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:38 pm

    @Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-503:

    May he rot in hades.

  • 510.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:38 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-489: I don’t really care what you feel. One could have sworn it was all about NZ rugby. Why did the NZ take their hate out against everything english? No it does not make sense to me.
    Nor does it make sense to me the hatred that was shown towards Aaustralians in NZ.
    Oh and another thing why was O’ Brien so apologetic to the Kiwis after the Italy AB game last year? Is it all about NZ rugby?
    Pull your head in sunshine…2 wrongs do not make a right, but blatant cheating is another thing.
    See why I feel fokkol for the Kiwis.

  • 511.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:38 pm

    @Skeppie(Skeppie)-499: Are you saying that one is only a South African if you like the Boks? Legally speaking you’re incorrect of course, I have an id that says differently, and there are many South African’s I love to pieces. My family for example. :lol:

  • 512.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:38 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-487:

    That’s telling them!

    NZ is suffering from a HUGE income gap with Aus.
    Everyone in NZ is either in a grave or trying to get to Aus.
    That is why Sanzar has to subsidise kiwi rugby.
    Makes you wonder who the REAL losers are, hey?

    To boot, it is a counrty with one hero throughout its history. You can only make so many statues of Edmund Hillary!

  • 513.Sharkie10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:39 pm

    sorry 15

  • 514.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:39 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-501:
    lol, Hg do you ever think for one minute that a team could be better than the Boks.
    or any South African team/player?
    Just wondering as it seem to you no one can match any South African player, unless they cheat or get a helping hand from someone else illegally.

  • 515.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:39 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-507:

    Easy…………………………………score more points the the AB’s.

    They do this regularly.

  • 516.carol: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:39 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-343:

    After a stressful morning I would like to say thanks for that clip Katman…We may be considered a weak rugby playing hemisphere but farkit we know how to sing!! :lol:

  • 517.Muttonbird: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:40 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-494: Can you get banned for racism on this board or is it totally acceptable here.

  • 518.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:40 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-496: Hmmm I am starting to hope the AB’s catch a klap on Saturday after all the dripping arrogance shown by AB supporters…Oh hold on…just because a few kiwi plonkers decide to act like ring muscles doesn’t mean all New Zealanders are like that…..don’t worry Ritchie, I am still supporting your boys this weekend.

  • 519.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:40 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-510: OK. You hate Kiwi’s and blame New Zealand citizen’s for what Bryce Lawrence did in a rugby match. Good Luck to you with that one. For the rest I couldn’t give a sh*t about your broken heart, for your team that lost. End of discussion.

  • 520.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:41 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-504: Sorry…….is Bru better? (I am originally from Durban)

  • 521.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:41 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-511:

    Ross, so if your brother was picked for the Boks, would you still support the kiwis?

    That is my point. If you live a in country, you see your fellow counrtymen as brothers and sisters and will support them.

  • 522.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:41 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-495: So you have a sense of belonging wearing an AB jersey?

  • 523.Sharkie10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:42 pm

    Seems like i am at the wrong place to talk CC, only WC related here. I will have my input in that though. No Way the All Blacks can loose this one. NO FREAKEN WAY!!!

  • 524.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:42 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-512:
    lol do you really want to know who the real losers are at the moment?

    Anyway i have been to OZ and i would any day live in NZ. This country is awesome, your family lives here so you cant argue isnt that right?

  • 525.ufo: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:42 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-484:

    no rosso… i’m not insane and i understand the question as i said…

    do you understand mine and why i’m asking it…?

    BTW rosso… a couple of years back you were having a heated debate with much racial hatred being tossed about.. and you were getting pretty exasperated… at the time i said to you…”don’t let their hatred define you”… you didn’t think me insane then… so why resort to insults now just because i’m asking you a question…?

  • 526.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:43 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-511: Well I dunno how you could possibly have a SA ID without signing that little contract…the one where you swear to burn out your own eyes should you ever stop supporting the boks…standard procedure at home affairs innit?

  • 527.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:43 pm

    @ufo(ufo)-505: Yes! Are we done, or will you come up with more race based scenarios. I already support another team. I don’t need your Boks, whether they wear pink tutu’s is irrelevant.

  • 528.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:46 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-522: More than I will ever have in a Bok jersey. @Helen(Helen)-521: I would tell him I hope he plays well, but he will know that I do not support his team. Easy.

  • 529.David: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:47 pm

    @carol(carol)-516:
    Only the Welsh, not the whole hemisphere. Unless you include the Russians sing “The Song of the Volga Boatmen”. :lol:

  • 530.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:48 pm

    @Skeppie(Skeppie)-518:
    Skeppie. I am sure you are not blind on the other posts that are happening around you?
    Please tell me you dont agree with half these plonkers on here?
    I back SA most of the times and have said it, i have no problems.
    Congratulated the Boks on there good win in 2007,even though we were laughed at.
    Were you on here before the 2010 tri nations?
    We were told that SA should not tour unless we get better. Even posts from Keo and co saying NZ rugby is Kak.
    Before you are to quick to point out the arrogance of Kiwis, you need to realise that your own backyard isnt that great.

  • 531.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:48 pm

    @Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-517:

    It is totally acceptable here, so go ahead and say what you want to say…

  • 532.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:48 pm

    @ufo(ufo)-525: Things get lost in translation on a blog. What I meant is, you are saying emphatically that you would support a team, in a country that left you disenfranchised and no future for your kids. In other words, you are saying that pre 1994, all people of colour SHOULD HAVE EMPHATICALLY supported the Boks regardless of the rule of the day. That, to me, is insane.

  • 533.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:48 pm

    @Muttonbird(Muttonbird)-502: Of course you dont buy it.

    Its a type of naivete.

    Not many people “bought” the fact that Cricket was a corrupt sham.

    Not many people “bought” the fact that Tour De France is crooked.

    Not many people “bought” the Black Sox scandal.

    Not many people could believe that the Olympic 100m final was won by cheats.

    Not many people “bought” the fact that Soccer games in the Bundesliga were fixed.

    And so on…

    There is a point in all sport where corruption rears its ugly little head. The greater the amounts of money involved, the greater the stakes, the greater the opportunity.

    The truth will out. Don’t worry.

  • 534.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:48 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-512: Helen and there is even some who think that the englishman Mallory beat him to the top. These cunning cheats have nothing. Plundered the Islands 2 decades ago and in cahoots with their cuzzies in Super 15 and Tri nations.

  • 535.ufo: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:49 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-527:

    thank you… not so hard was it…

    and… BTW… i didn’t come up with the racial scenario… your bud transie did… i just thought it would be interesting to ask the same scenario of saffa ab supporters… trying to get a fuller understanding…

    been an investing condo…

    for the record… again…

    i don’t care who people support and don’t think it makes them any less south african or patriotic…

    i have congratulated the ab supports and you and mpundulu when the abs have won…

  • 536.David: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:49 pm

    @Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-523:
    But they may “lose” it. :lol:

  • 537.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:50 pm

    @Skeppie(Skeppie)-526: :lol: Very funny post. I enjoyed that.

  • 538.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:50 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-514: Nope. Refer to my earlier posts. The Boks were bettered, fairly and honestly, in RWC 1999 and RWC 2003.

  • 539.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:51 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-528:

    Ok, well then you are an exceptional human being.
    Most of us feel an affinity to the soil from which we raised.
    Most of love our families and our people, regardless of who they are, simple because they are OUR people.
    You are different.
    I don’t understand it, but each to his own..

  • 540.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:51 pm

    @ufo(ufo)-535: Thanks Ufo.

    Anyways chaps. I gotta go. Have a wonderful day!

  • 541.Sharkie10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:52 pm

    If indeed by some miracle, the French do win…How Happy will the Tongans be…they will have bragging rights, of beating the “world champions”, what a K@K one. France do not deserve this, not at the very least. How can you get slaughtered by the AB’s and loose to Tonga in the pool stages and still make the final. something wrong with the system i tell u. Ireland, even Wales and the Boks too were far better sides than the french. Just my opinion they need to change the pool and knockout system.

  • 542.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:52 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-528: Poor thing…. no sense of belonging. Ouch!

  • 543.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:52 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-539: I love the soil, the weather, the people, the sea, the mountains, everything BUT THE BOKS. :lol: Do you get it. Boks are not an identity for me, just a team I don’t like.

  • 544.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:52 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-528: Just out of interest, why do you support the AB’s….and why don’t you support the Boks?

  • 545.Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:53 pm

    think we should send rossoneri to loftus with het NZ jersey ….

  • 546.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:53 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-542: I know where I belong, I just chose to see the boks as a team, not a part of my identity.

  • 547.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:54 pm

    @cane(cane)-515: Cant happen. They couldn’t score more in the pool game. They nearly didn’t against Japan and definitely didn’t against Tonga.

    They are the biggest underdogs in the history of the World Cup. 8/1.

  • 548.ufo: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:54 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-532:

    no rosso… that may be what you’re understanding… but that’s not what i wrote…

    i simply said I (me, not anyone else and not people of colour and not saying what anyone else should or shouldn’t do) I support south africa (not ‘A’ country) and have and do and will support who ever represents my country in sport…

    if you think that is.. or i am… insane… well… i can live with that…. :wink:

    :lol:

  • 549.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:54 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-538:
    wow, two games, thats nice of you to think that other teams were better than you twice.
    What about the tri nation games? Were you cheated out of every single game there?

  • 550.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:54 pm

    @carol(carol)-516:

    Carol,
    Your Hemisphere can win this thing.

    No doubt.
    It is yet to be written.

    80 minutes………………………………anyones game.

    Both Teams start with Zero points.

  • 551.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:54 pm

    @Skeppie(Skeppie)-544: Why do you support the Boks, and not another team?

  • 552.rossoneri: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:55 pm

    Don’t have time for your answer. Have a good day.

  • 553.ufo: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:55 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-540:

    cool… go well…

    i really do respect you and your views BTW…

  • 554.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:56 pm

    @Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak(suffer_guy)-545:
    I will go. You guys shout me over to SA and i will wear that AB jersey with pride.

  • 555.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:57 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-530: Yeah I can’t disagree with that, I have seen silly, arrogant posts from all nationalities, we Saffas are certainly not guilt free when it comes to that. I have been trawling this site for years now (since it started), just never really posted untill now. The **** served up in 2009 when we cleaned up the AB’s was drivel, the fact is since 1992 the AB’s have been a better (not by a big margin though) side than us on average so people who made those statements were just taking the chance to have a dig without remembering that rugby always ends up being a great leveller.

  • 556.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:57 pm

    @cane(cane)-550:

    We must just remember, the last time the kiwis played the boks, they lost.
    That will make the Boks world champs if the kiwis win this weekend!!

    If the French win, Tonga will be the best team in the world

  • 557.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:59 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-547:

    Keep telling those friggen Frogs they are underdogs.

    It’s heart that will win.
    And if the Froggs wake up on sunday morning with heart.

    WHO KNOWS.

  • 558.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 13:59 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-546: and you belong in an AB jersey, yep each to their own. Weird! 2 wrongs make a right. Weird. Its a strange strange world we live in master Jack.

  • 559.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:00 pm

    @rossoneri(rossoneri)-551: I dunno, I suppose it’s an inbred patriotic thing…..I do know that as a pure rugby person there are certain teams I like and dislike but with the Boks I cannot really be impartial, just love the team because it is my countries team

  • 560.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:01 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-556: HAHAHA Great logic, I like that!

  • 561.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:01 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-549: Nope. But 3N and S15 do have structural deficiencies built into them that precludes SA teams from competing fairly…

    As a result of SARU being content to bend over and getshagged.

    Interesting to see that the Argies aren’t so content with the dog-eat-dog nature of the negotiations in the SANZAR “partnership”.

  • 562.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:02 pm

    @ufo(ufo)-553: @ufo(ufo)-553:

    “cool… go well…
    i really do respect you and your views BTW…”

    We could do with more like you around here.
    8)

  • 563.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:02 pm

    Personally, I think the desperation from the kiwis stem from a serious case of Madiba envy.
    I would be the same if my ONLY claim to fame was Sir Edmund Hillary who was carried to the top of Everest by a sherpa. Since then thousands of others have followed and taken some shine off his statues in Wellington Library Square

  • 564.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:03 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-556:
    But ABs whacked the Boks in 2007 and 2008?
    We werent stupid enough to claim that we are now the champs.

  • 565.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:04 pm

    @cane(cane)-557: But the Frogs have no heart… They are cheese eating surrendermonkeys, while Kiwis are bravery personified…

    France are already waving the white flag… They are in white for the final, having conceded their strip already.

    Nope, the incredibly brave All Blacks will win this hands down.

  • 566.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:05 pm

    @Skeppie(Skeppie)-555:
    Cheers Skeppie.
    You are correct, all nationalities pull out the rubbish sometimes.
    Some more than others, and they stand out like dogs balls.

  • 567.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:06 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-561: The S15 and Tri Nations have never been a level playing ground.
    The reffing has always been a bone of contention for SA teams and it is proven week after week, when we get shafted. The Aussies and Kiwis are in cahoots have always been will always be.

    If we had a Namibian ref, I wonder if the cheats and Oz would be happy?

  • 568.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:06 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-563:

    Do any SA’s have an element named after them on the Periodic Table.

    I rest my case.

    Rutherfordiun.

  • 569.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:06 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-564: Ja Hurricane but you cannot find flaw in Helen’s logic……the result of which leads to the boks being the best team in the world no matter what the circumstance…makes perfect sense doesn’t it?

  • 570.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:07 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-565:
    what are you on?
    French are not giving up infact the believe they can win, i think they can as well. Seen it all before. Havnt the French beaten the Boks 3 times out of 6 games of late?
    French in the final, cant argue that.

  • 571.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:07 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-566: Yeah I agree…damn those aussies!

  • 572.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:08 pm

    Seriously, I’m Bryce himself, and anybody who can’t see how I cheated the Boks out of 2011 RWC is just as big a D I C K HEAD as I am! But now I’m a D I C K HEAD with an inflated bank balance and the NZRU has a deflated bank balance by the same amount., but I suspect the Ausies helped them out with that one.

  • 573.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:08 pm

    @cane(cane)-568: Are you talking about Ken? The slightly rotund but belly full of laughs Kiwi batsmen?

  • 574.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:09 pm

    @Skeppie(Skeppie)-569:
    lol sure does, i just dont know what i was thinking :-)

  • 575.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:09 pm

    @Skeppie(Skeppie)-571:
    lol, you read my mind.

  • 576.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:09 pm

    Where you can read how I did it, play by play:

    http://blogs.sport24.co.za/David-Mac/bryce-lawrence-lord-of-the-whistles-17-Oct-2011

  • 577.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:11 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-565:

    Take the piss all you like HG.

    The game starts at 0-0

    History means nothing.
    These Guys (frogs) are Pro’s.
    To dismiss them is folly.

    But you already know this.

  • 578.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:11 pm

    @cane(cane)-568: Our women folk have them all the time. Well periodically.

  • 579.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:11 pm

    @carol(carol)-516: No worries, Carol. That specific rendition (the 2011 six nations between Wales and England in Cardiff) is the best I’ve found. No interference from pesky opera divas or wannabe idols stars. Most intense singers in the Welsh line – Alun Wyn Jones and Jamie Roberts. And spare a thought for the bloke in the stands with the red face. :)

  • 580.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:13 pm

    @Connag(1112Connag)-578:
    By look of some of these posts i dont think its only women that has them.

  • 581.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:14 pm

    I mean compare the teams

    Front Rows:

    Mas, Servat and Poux are no match for Tony, Kevvy and Owen. Not even close.

    Second Rows:

    Nallet and Pape are far inferior to Whitelock and Thorne

    Loose Forwards:

    Fark me, the mismatch of RWC history in Harry, Dusautoir, Bonnaire vs Reade, McCaw and Kaino

    Halfbacks:

    Not only are Yachvili and Padda about a quarter of the combined weight of Piri-piri Weepu and the Skateboard kid, but in terms of ability and temperament not even close.

    Midfield:

    Rougerie and Mermoz have surrendered already against the very best in the World of Nonu and Smith.

    Back three:

    The razzle dazzle is all black with explosive Dagg, Jane and Kahui. Le Detonateur, Clerc and Pallisson are a collective damp squibb.

    Nope… absolutely… no doubt…. No chance

  • 582.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:15 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-580:

    Ma’a Nonu with his plucked eybrows and make-up has them too.

  • 583.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:17 pm

    #582
    Suppose out of all the poeple here you would know who plucks eyebrows and wears makeup.
    Takes a pro

  • 584.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:18 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-564:

    You should’ve.
    Too late now
    ;-)

  • 585.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:19 pm

    @cane(cane)-577: You have a right to be nervous Cane, it’s a huge occasion for AB rugby but fear not, your boys will win this one.

  • 586.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:20 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-584:
    hahaha
    nice one Helen

  • 587.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:20 pm

    @cane(cane)-568: Yes we do.

    [ Oh ] – the element of surprise.

  • 588.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:21 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-583:

    Quite right. Remember, I’m Bryce D i c k head Lawrence, I even know what he carries in his handbag, and what he uses for pre-menstrual cramps. Im quite “into” the team, and they into me, if you get what I mean! ;)

  • 589.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:21 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-581: And the you have the cauldron of Eden Park… 50000 AB fans baying for French blood… Nope, the French cant win there, they only won there last in 1994.

    I reckon the tears you may see during the Anthems will be tears for collective French mummies.

    The French will surrender… They always do.

  • 590.Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:22 pm

    LOL there will be more people in the Sharks Tank with the Currie Cup Semi, than there will be at the RWC final!!

  • 591.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:25 pm

    #588
    You are Bryce
    Well i am honoured. You have picked a good site to blog on. These guys here love you, in fact HG might even fancy you.
    But really i have one problem with you. You did cheat the Boks out of that game in the QF. They needed 80% of the ball to beat the Ozzies but you only allowed them about 70%.
    I mean come on, what team in the world can win with 70% of the ball?

  • 592.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:25 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-589:

    Right now they’re probably negotiating honourable terms of surrender with the IRB, NZRU, McCaw and Joubert.

  • 593.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:26 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-589:

    hahahaha… I like the reverse psychology you’re employing here.
    It’s like telling a toddler that brussel sprouts are made of honey

  • 594.Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:26 pm

    maybe they should move the RWC final to SA?

  • 595.Connag: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:27 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-580: Bugger so you have them too?

  • 596.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:27 pm

    For what it’s worth, Gadaffi seems to have been killed during capture, although this still needs official confirmation.

  • 597.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:28 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-591:

    I would have stopped them from winning even if they had 120% of the ball. Don’t underestimate a good Kiwi cheat, laddie. For the boost to my finances I would have dstopped them or died trying!

  • 598.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:29 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-593:
    Wow are brussel sprouts really made of honey?

  • 599.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:31 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-596:

    Holy ****, does that mean I may be next, with them killing off the d i c k heads?

  • 600.Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:31 pm

    they also said Osama Bin Ladin is dead – but there he is captaining the Proteas!

  • 601.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:32 pm

    Just for the drama of it, I hope the French win (also because the numbers of arrogant kiwis outnumber arrogant French on this blog)

    BUT the kiwis deserve it. Shame, they have waited so long (24 years) and had to go the extra mile (paying Bryce) and are manipulating the IRB board members so that they can play at home (when SA put together a far superior bid for RWC 2011.)

    This world cup has been scripted for a kiwi win. That is why the drama of a French victory will be so sweet

  • 602.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:34 pm

    #597
    Your not a kiwi, 120% of the ball? lol.
    All us Kiwis know you can only have 110% of the ball in a game.

  • 603.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:37 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-565: from rugbyheaven,co,nz

    France are backed into a dark corner, alone but not afraid.

    The constant criticism that’s dubbed them the worst World Cup finalists of all time is consuming. But those insults are only enhancing their desire to be crowned World Cup champions for the first time.

    Thrashed by the All Blacks and defeated by tier-two Tonga in pool play, France then discovered a quarterfinal performance to be proud of before producing arguably the ugliest semifinal win in history against 14-man Wales. Hardly an inspiring track record at this tournament is it.

    Yet that counts for nothing now.

    They are in the final. Accept it, move on. France doesn’t owe anyone an explanation. Sure, they had some luck, fell on their face along the rocky way and continue to amaze with playground squabbles. But the enigmatic French are the first to admit they haven’t been flash. Heck, even the heartiest French fans didn’t anticipate them staying this long.

    “There aren’t many French supporters left. I don’t think they thought we would make it to the final,” lock Pascal Pape said after giving his side 10 per cent chance of winning Sunday’s final with the in-form All Blacks.

    “We will do everything in our power to succeed. We would love to be the first generation to become world champions.”

    Les Bleus have read and heard the engulfing condemnation expressed from every corner of New Zealand and indeed around the globe. How could they not?

    Most of world rugby now wants an All Black victory to fulfil the fairytale and end 24-years of anguish for the hosts, except those watching with red wine, moustaches and fine cheese in Paree.

    “They feel attacked and under pressure,” placid French assistant coach Gonzalo Quesada said of his players. “They know people think they shouldn’t be in the final. It’s quite hard to read, quite hard to listen for them and their families. It’s something that motivates you and makes you want to show how much you’re worth on the pitch.

    “We’re not perfect. We have nothing to answer to people who are criticising us because we didn’t play as well as they think we should to get into the final.”

  • 604.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:37 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-596:

    Apparently he shot himself in both legs trying to get his pistol out of its holster.

    Hand must have slipped on the pearl handle.

  • 605.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:38 pm

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-602:

    But I’m Bryce D i c k head, remember, Kiwi cheat extraordinaire. I can fix it that any team can have 150% of the ball and still lose the game. Always just keep your eyes on my bank balance, and I can lose or win you ANY game.

  • 606.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:39 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-601:

    Personally I would have loved it if the French could pull a surprise
    Sort of romance ruling over rationalism if you know what I mean.
    But i just won’t be able to handle the rants of your friend HG (on this site) if it happens.
    So the farkin AB’s better do it.

  • 607.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:39 pm

    Minki engaged
    Terreblache’s ***** ‘disappears’
    Gaddafi killed
    Julius offends someone
    Zuma sends R400mil on his house
    Rand has depreciated by 16% in 2 months

    All in one day! – You have to love Africa’s headlines!

  • 608.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:43 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-603: The most one sided final in the history of the World Cup.

    All logic and good sense says a France victory is just not possible

  • 609.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:43 pm

    We are like 2 days away from either UTOPIA or ENDLESS NIGHTMARE for the kiwis

    Look it’s unlikely that the French will win, but what if they do

    Imagine that …

    New Zealand will be like a factory that closed down ©

  • 610.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:45 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-607: You’ve got to wonder whether all those stories are related…

  • 611.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:46 pm

    @Robzim(Robzim)-606:

    LOL…, yes, HG has been relentless…

    She’s a sweetie, so won’t be too worried about her reaction. The bigger picture still excites me if the Frogs pull off a win.

    At the end of the day, it is 80 minutes and if the kiwis play the worst game of the season and the French play their best game, anything can happen

  • 612.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:51 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-609: imagine this about the majority of the saffa population :D

    All Blacks evolving into ‘robo-players’
    Neil Sands | 20 October, 2011

    Researchers at Massey University compared the physiques of the 2005 All Blacks side to the “The Originals” of 1905, the first New Zealand team to tour Europe and the first to adopt the All Blacks moniker.

    It found the average 2005 All Black was 187 centimetres (just over six foot one inch) tall and weighed 102.5 kilograms (226 pounds), compared to 175 cm and 81kg a century earlier.

    That means the smallest member of the current All Black team set to face France in the Rugby World Cup final on Sunday — fly-half Aaron Cruden (178cm, 79kg) — is still taller and heavier than the average 1905 player.

    Massey researcher Jeremy Hapeta said the typical All Black physique was also becoming more uniform across the team, nominating Sonny Bill Williams (191cm, 110kg) as the modern protoytpe “robo-player”.

    “Traditionally, if you were short you were put in the backs and if you had a puku (belly) you were put in the forwards, but that was the amateur game,” he said.

    “Now they want a prototype robo rugby player. Guys like Sonny Bill Williams are evening things up again.”

    Hapeta said improved nutrition and fewer childhood illnesses partly accounted for the increased size of the All Blacks in the past century, but also cited the rise of professionalism in rugby union in the 1990s as a factor.

    “They (modern players) are paid to train and, perhaps more importantly, paid to rest,” he said. “Without the competing demands of secondary employment, they train hard and recover well.

    “They bulk up at the gym and the best of sports science and nutritional knowledge is applied to making them bigger, faster and stronger.”

    Hapeta said the statistical trend indicated that even today’s hulking behemoths had the potential to be superseded by bigger players in the future.

    “We are not going to see the growth spurts at the level we have seen from 1905 to 2005 — 12cm and 7.5kg — we will not see those sorts of leaps,” he said.

    “But we could see them growing by 1-2cm average height and 2-3kg average weight. You can lay odds that the All Blacks jerseys of the future will come in yet larger sizes.”

  • 613.Sharkie10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:53 pm

    I know it all done and dusted, but i am just thinking about a funny scenario. Just imagine, Bryce comes to South Africa on holiday, and walks into a Pretoria Afrikaner bar to enjoy a cold one, and someone recognizes him…I think the rest speaks for itself.

  • 614.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:54 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-611:

    You never know, lets hold thumbs for the Tricolers then.
    If they pull it off , guess I will have have to live with HER (HG’s) “utopia” here on keo for a while.
    Its going to be hard – but for the sake of the exotic winning over the rational I guess I will have to handle it, lol.

  • 615.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:55 pm

    @Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-613: so you think he’d be safe in SOWETO?

  • 616.ET.: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:57 pm

    Does anything ever change here? If it is not the whiter than white,in a very defensive mmanner, dodging searching questions then it’s the blacker than black doing likewise. Sometimes, rarely though, it is those who are ” just intrigued ” (and will forever be so for their lifetime) making the most definitive comments about blacks(never having ever been in those shoes).

    However,the true stupids are at it full tilt again, without fail as they comment about matters they are not qualified to so do.

    Anyone and everyone can only definitively comment about their own emotions and absolutely no one elses’ emotions.

    For some that emotion is invested in people’s lives and how it is governed or misgoverned(‘politics’) or even used or abused or misused(health).

    For the lesser minded, that emotion is invested totally in sports. These simply exhibit, however, their limitations and simply confirm the fact that they have truly been taken in by the ‘dagga’ of the so non-discerning masses.

    ‘Julle lewe aspris.’

  • 617.Sharkie10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:57 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-601: You actually have a very good point. Was backing the AB’s up till i read that post. It makes sense. Go France!! haha

  • 618.ET.: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 14:58 pm

    @Robzim(Robzim)-614:

    What happened yesterday to the Smith Mafia against the young Aussie Turks?

  • 619.Sharkie10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:00 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-615: Look i actually think that wherever he is spotted in the country, his life will be in danger, i will admit, if i had to bump into him on the street, i would give him a good beating.

  • 620.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:02 pm

    @ufo(ufo)-505: ever heard the refrain “no normal sport in an abnormal society”? i guess not.

    :D

  • 621.Great White Shark: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:04 pm

    Gadaffi hs been plugged. Good news.

  • 622.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:05 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-610:

    I wasn’t, but now I am…

    Can’t find any connection between Minki, Eugene, Brother Leader, Juju and the Rand… Hmmmmm

    All I can come up with is various genitals…. not sure why

  • 623.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:06 pm

    @Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-619: He will send you out of town with a red card for foul play!

  • 624.Sheriff: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:07 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-612:

    Yeah JK (John Kirwan) and similarly Ray Mordt were giants in their day.

    Today they would have been regarded a normal size

  • 625.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:07 pm

    @Great White Shark(Predawn)-621: Who is the new villain to hunt? Has someone seen the nominees?

  • 626.ET.: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:08 pm

    Oh! My goodness, Transfornication trying to gain some respect with the SACOS globally acknowledged and acclaimed dictum or slogan of; ” NO NORMAL SPORT IN AN ABNORMAL SOCIETY”. What is next?

    A level 5 hurricane must be approaching eBhayi.

  • 627.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:09 pm

    @ET.(ET.)-618:

    Fark knows, the 18 year old speedster seemed to have them jumping and ducking – and Biff is still unable to handle left arm fast swing bowling (even if it is not so fast and conditions not good for swing).
    It seems as if Gary K will have more to do then he expected- in India he only had to deal withy the minds and attitude while here he will have to also deal with the lack of technique and even talent.

    Going to be an interesting test series with the Aussies favourites at this stage- Ponting seems to be in great nick.

  • 628.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:10 pm

    @Sheriff(Sheriff)-624: Spoke to a “oom” who made his debut for Oos Transvaal on the wing having to mark Ray Mordt. First tackle attempt he ended up waking in the hospital. The man was hard

  • 629.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:12 pm

    @Robzim(Robzim)-627: I want to see young Riley Roussouw get some ODI gametime. Aggressive, great in field, loads of runs

  • 630.Sharkie10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:12 pm

    @Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-623: Ni vir n F@k nie ek druks sy geel kaart, rooi kaart, en sy donerse fluitjie in sy gat op. Die doos moenie sy voete hier sitie. Kyk nou word ek opgewerk van voor af. HAHAHA.

  • 631.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:12 pm

    @Great White Shark(Predawn)-621:

    I wonder what they’ll do with all Gaddafi’s beautiful bodyguards…. and what about that 1 hectare tent that he lives in. I’m sure Boswell Wilkie will be interested in both??

  • 632.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:13 pm

    @ET.(ET.)-626: Really? Was that it? I was under the impression their slogan was “I didn’t join the struggle to be poor”.

  • 633.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:14 pm

    @ET.(ET.)-626:

    ET, what do you make of Gaddafi’s demise?
    You’re running out of friends?

  • 634.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:14 pm

    @Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-629:

    I agree, time to make space for the new guns even if it means we lose a few games on the short term imo.

  • 635.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:15 pm

    @Robzim(Robzim)-627:

    Biff should never be playing these ODIs.

    He should be sorting himself out in supersport cricket and getting ready for the tests.

  • 636.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:15 pm

    @Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-630: Ag nee man Sharkie, dis als ‘n saak van interpretasie..

  • 637.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:16 pm

    @ET.(ET.)-626:

    “no normal sport sport in an abnormal society”

    At least they thought of rugby as a ‘normal’ sport.

    Is that why our national Soggy Marie team was never isolated?

  • 638.ET.: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:16 pm

    @Robzim(Robzim)-627:

    Your take on this topic is commendably accurate. Could not have summed it much differently.

    What I want to know is what Smith, Kallis annd Boucher have done in the present S.A. season to warrant selection for the ODIs?

  • 639.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:16 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-632:

    lolapalooza.

    ask transie about extraballs mate.

    the sacos THIEF running EP cricket.

    What next?

    Stealing your neighbours interweb access?

  • 640.Great White Shark: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:17 pm

    @Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-625:

    Bryce, Mugabe, Malema, Cele, Zooma, SARU….there too many to mention.

  • 641.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:17 pm

    Afternoon all.

    It’s been a very interresting read, some politics, some rugby, some interresting perspectives,

  • 642.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:17 pm

    @Robzim(Robzim)-634: I also think we need to get over the “bits-n-pieces-players. Pick batsmen, bowlers, an allrounder. Faf, Miller not the 2 leading young turks in SA-not even close. Faf there as back-up for the back-up spinner…

  • 643.Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:17 pm

    Davey Jacobs
    J Rudolph
    Osama Bin Ladin
    Kallis
    AB
    Duminy
    Botha
    Steyn
    Morkel
    tahir (wicket taker)
    Tsotsobe

  • 644.Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:19 pm

    maybe Albie for Botha ….. true all rounder!

  • 645.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:19 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-635:

    Agreed, i saw today that his ex girlfriend Minki is now engaged to the third grade rugby player from the Lions- some bloke called Ernstig or something- farkit, going from average to bad, lol.

  • 646.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:19 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-641:

    hello sweetie.

  • 647.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:20 pm

    @Great White Shark(Predawn)-640: And the bafana bafana management – we dance our troubles away celebrating mythical wins!

  • 648.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:21 pm

    @Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak(suffer_guy)-643: Careful now, Dean Jones is umpiring bakers mini-cricket for the same offense…

  • 649.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:22 pm

    @Lions_is_kak_kak_honde_honde_kak(suffer_guy)-644: botha can be there for bowling, but faf does none of the functions well enough. He’s a good player, but nothing special..

  • 650.stew: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:23 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-612: Amazing post – could you imagine in 100 years time 7ft tall players , 150kg average – then you will see injuries !

  • 651.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:24 pm

    @stew(stew)-650: Overweight Andries bekker with dirty feet?

  • 652.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:24 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-646: :D

  • 653.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:31 pm

    @Robzim(Robzim)-645:

    I have been told Minki is my twin, so maybe some day I also get some guy named Ernstig Jou perd to make me happy!?

  • 654.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:34 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-652:

    heeeellllloooooo sweetie!

  • 655.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:35 pm

    @Robzim(Robzim)-645:
    “ernstig” hehe you’re a tjop :grin:

  • 656.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:36 pm

    @stew(stew)-650: you mean like 15 Shaquile o’Neals on the field, yoh :shock:

  • 657.Robzim: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:36 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-653:

    Lol, that Minki is a serious (ernstig) sexy bird – Jou perd is a lucky horse indeed.

  • 658.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:37 pm

    Cheetahs front-runners for Steyn signature
    20 Oct 11 14:44 by robdylan | Cheetahs, Original Content, Sharks | 28 Comments
    Tags: Cheetahs, Francois Steyn, Frans Steyn, Racing Metro

    Related Posts:
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    ?SARU screw up again on more than one front.
    Sharks fans holding out any hope that Francois Steyn may return to the team once his French contract expires next year are, unfortunately, in line for a hard dose of reality. Steyn will not return to the Sharks.
    Reliable information suggests that Steyn will play for the Cheetahs on his return, with their inability to offer him a competitive salary not an issue, given how lucrative his R30-Million stint in France has been. The reality is that for Steyn to return to South Africa, his reasons would have to be about lifestyle, not money, since no local team – and that includes the Sharks – could possibly offer him an equivalent deal to the one he has with Racing Metro.

    Steyn is looking for a stable team environment, with guarantees about game time as the first-choice inside centre and given that he enjoyed neither of these things while in Durban, our sources indicate that he won’t return there. The message to Sharks fans, in short, is “move on”. Frans Steyn isn’t coming back, so we’ll need to back the players currently in the system.

  • 659.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:40 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-658:

    Indeed I said this some time ago.

    No team in SA can come close to his salary.

    So it would have to be about game time and playing environment.

    So obviously the Bulls.

  • 660.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:41 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-654: Hello Dahlink! :)

  • 661.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:46 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-659: @Transformation(Transformation)-658: Well if it’s “lifestyle” that he’s after then it;s the Cape for him for sure. We can offer him a decent salary and after jean and jaque leave at the end of next year it’ll be him and Juan at 12 and 13 respectively so it all fits in perfectly.

    Wee Pee it is then :)

  • 662.stew: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:48 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-658: I cant blame Steyn for not wanting to go back to the Sharks , Muir nearly ruined this amazing talent at the Sharks and IMO was the main reason why Steyn left for overseas

  • 663.ET.: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:50 pm

    White ignoramuses who can only function in FANTASY mode are for the rest of their lifetime totally irrelevant to the S.A. situation.
    More so is especially the case when they cannot tell an ANC slogan(admitting corruption) from a globally acclaimed SACOS dictum(NO NORMAL SPORT …).

    Why attach importance to an insignificant EPpotential official when the CSA CEO, Majola , is the biggest thief in S.A. cricket or is a small time crook more important than the agenda of ETHNICITY for some delinquents?

  • 664.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:51 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-661:

    apparently he wants to play for a team that has won a trophy in the last decade.

    Wee Pee it isn’t then :lol:

  • 665.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:51 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-659: the bulls have francois venter, wynand olivier & stephan watermeyer at 12…

    the tjeetahs have ???????

  • 666.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:53 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-664: Cut me deep Shrek. Cut me deep… :)

  • 667.stew: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:54 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-665: So you are saying the Bulls dont have a decent 12 – lol

  • 668.malcolm: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:55 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-658: As a Sharks fan i must say we do not deserve him back. I remember many a time sitting in the stands while sharks supporters heckled him for not passing or when he tried something different. He was also messed around playing a different position it seemed like every week. I hope they do not continue to make the same mistake with Lambie.

  • 669.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:55 pm

    WHITE IGNORAMUSES

    BE WARNED.

    dEPUTY EXTRABALL IS IN TOWN.

    fARK SORRY CAPS.

    @Transformation(Transformation)-665:

    we are going to sell olivier and watermeyer.

    to the tjeetahs.

  • 670.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:56 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-658:
    well he could make meisiekind look positively girlish at the bulls or move jdv on at the stormers.

  • 671.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 15:58 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-666:

    Pipe down princess fiona.

    Otherwise I will set THE EXPOSER OF WHITE LIES, UNTRUTHS AND FANTASIES on you.

    You will end up looking like Muammar’s onnerbroek.

  • 672.stew: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:01 pm

    Just seen ‘ the try from the end of the world” by the French on 365rugby.com ,,,,, damn i hope they dont do this to us on Sun !!!! Amazing stuff

  • 673.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:02 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-653: Minki your twin…..sjoe……..respect

  • 674.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:02 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-664:

    2011 super15 season conference winners trophy…jsut saying…
    use it, dont use it.

  • 675.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:05 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-671: All Khaki?

    I’ve been in back to back meetings today, all coffee and no food. Jumpier than a virgin at a prison rodeo.

    I enjoyed Helen’s comment to someone earlier today about ET making him wish he’d never learned to read lol….

  • 676.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:05 pm

    @ET.(ET.)-663:

    ET, do you ever answer any questions?

    I have posed a number of questions to you over the past few days, all of which remain unanswered.

    If you insist on only spewing racist accusations and not answering questions, then don’t blame me if I don’t engage you in future

    Don’t worry, I don’t see you as a failure, only an unrealised potential ar$ehole

  • 677.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:07 pm

    @Skeppie(Skeppie)-673:

    although, I think Minki bleeds like a mexican knife fight.
    Ernstig would’ve been better off with me

  • 678.Schalk is Pote Fouries daughter: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:07 pm

    Keo, you have javascript errors in IE8 when trying to reply to a post

  • 679.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:07 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-664: you mean Plascon Velvet Cups don’t count? ;)

  • 680.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:07 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-675:

    all khakha.

    you sound a little stressed.

    let hellybelly give you a shoulder rub.

    Extraball frequently makes me wish that.

    Usually I try and think of something that cheers me up.

    Like drowning kittens.

    or Province going another year without a trophy.

    :lol:

  • 681.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:08 pm

    @au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-674:

    it is those little victories that you guys have to hang on to.
    Also, don’t forget you are the most southern team of all the SA francises. Pity there is no trophy for that

  • 682.Schalk is Pote Fouries daughter: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:10 pm

    Enjoyed this, good effort.

    http://blogs.sport24.co.za/David-Mac/bryce-lawrence-lord-of-the-whistles-17-Oct-2011

    Pretty sad though. I don’t watch cricket anymore because it has become a farce. I must say I have had that feeling about rugby after watching Stu Dickenson, etc. Anyone remeber the 2003 Trinations against the kiwis how bad he was. Thats the same year when when Piet van Zyl tackled the ref.

  • 683.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:10 pm

    i can tell you one thing though, this francois steyn is shaping up to be the biggest primadonna ever…”guarantees of game time” really? what if the guy vying for your spot is sshit hot, the coach must bench him cos u’ve got a “guarantee”?

    oh and what about your weight? can we put it on the contract that you won’t balloon past 105kg?

  • 684.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:11 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-680:

    WP play by the P Divvy doctrine of not looking at the trophy cabinet or the score board.
    It is a mere distraction.
    How you lose is more important.
    On that score, WP are the champs!

  • 685.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:12 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-683:

    105kg is too low as a threshold.
    Ricky January played international rugby at 114kg

  • 686.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:13 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-685:

    …and I might add that it was 114kg of pure patty

  • 687.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:13 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-683:

    the koeksister factory in Pretoria has switched on to overtime already to cope with anticipated demand.

  • 688.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:13 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-675: that was indeed classic :D

  • 689.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:14 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-679: Don’t forget the 1st choice trophy that we won by beating the new 1st division champs and soon to be premier division newbies Boland

    Just saying ;) :D

  • 690.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:15 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-677: I do not pretend to understand what that actually means but it did sound cool.

  • 691.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:15 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-683:
    without him we lost a wc transie…without him we lost a wc…

    @Helen(Helen)-681:
    no, there isn’t but some of the guys, donkey mostly, are holding out for a ‘steve tshwete lifetime achievment award’

  • 692.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:16 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-680: Next year will totally be our year man!

    All these negative vibes…..

  • 693.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:16 pm

    ET, so you refuse to answer my question about why you don’t answer questions….

    I hate myself for being surprised, like I hate those condoms that taste like droe wors

  • 694.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:17 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-692:

    Please man you say that every year.

    have you written to Santa yet?

  • 695.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:17 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-685: francois was playing @ the rwc @ 110kg

  • 696.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:18 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-692:

    Every year is WP’s year.
    They always dominate southern cape rugby, without fail
    much like Shoprite has the Ladybrand grocery market cornered

  • 697.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:20 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-695:

    That was before his haircut.
    After the cut he was lighter than Aplon after three weeks in ICU

  • 698.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:20 pm

    @au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-691: you would’ve lost anyway, the kiwis are winning sans carter so go cry a river.

  • 699.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:35 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-698:
    come on transie, you know they substituted carter for a ref, and a ref is worth 2 flyhalves and a fullback.

  • 700.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:39 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-695:

    hai wena!

    how do you know?

    did you weigh him?

    or can you just tell.

  • 701.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:56 pm

    @Gunther(gunther)-700: what does it say in the pre-match stats that ***-win & Naas always look through? :D

  • 702.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 16:59 pm

    261@katman………. nearly half a billion….. that makes me so freakin angry, these govt poepals are using tax payers money as their own personal piggy bank.

    Feck the fact that spca’s are closing left right and center cos govt wont give a cent and the lotto says animals are not a charitable cause, hope there is a revolution and they all get Ghaddafied. :mad :mad: :mad:

    All these tossers are not loved by the people if they need all this protection.

  • 703.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 17:02 pm

    @Treehugger(Treehugger)-702: spca, is that like a nightclub, like ZAR?

  • 704.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 17:12 pm

    Grant10, Wallabies sucked playing “skop ‘n jag” :D hehehe

    Campaign highlights Wallaby shortcomings
    by: Jim Tucker From: The Daily Telegraph October 18, 2011

    ROBBIE Deans is still the right man to be coaching the Wallabies but he needs to find a brawny, cauliflower-eared Argentinian prop who can scrum like a truck and a 105kg centre who can smash defences in a hurry.

    The post-mortem on the World Cup cannot just focus on Deans, as coach, or five-eighth Quade Cooper, who never looked comfortably in rhythm for much of the Wallabies’ three important games.

    The overwhelming feeling from six weeks at the tournament is that the Wallabies are not the team of out and out stars that fans, past players and the media thought they would be.

    Just an example. The Wallabies would kill for a line-busting, all-purpose centre like Jamie Roberts or a prop off the conveyor belt from Buenos Aires.

    The 1991 and 1999 World Cup triumphs have put the bar exceedingly high on this country’s expectations at the tournament every four years. Australian media made hotel bookings all the way through to the final. The Irish press made theirs only to the quarters.

    On the trusted measure of needing five or six World XV quality players to win a World Cup, the Wallabies came up well short.

    Only lionhearted flanker David Pocock and fullback Kurtley Beale were hands-down in that club. Winger Digby Ioane and skipper James Horwill put their hands up at their best moments as did halfback Will Genia, who was still far less of a standout than expected.

    What did we get out of six weeks? There was a blur of wonderful second half tries against Italy, the predictable try-fests against the US and Russia and a supremely gritty and character-filled win over South Africa.

    Against the All Blacks in the semi we barely fired a shot which is the toughest thing to swallow.

    With two non-passing centres like wonderfully courageous Pat McCabe and Anthony Faingaa, Australia’s best weapons on the wing in Ioane and James O’Connor were starved of ball.

    We now realise how much that shock loss to Ireland spooked the Wallabies because it convinced Deans to put away the expansive point-of-difference style he had drilled for four years in favour of a poorly-executed kicking and pseudo-northern hemisphere game.

    Kicks were rushed away early in the phase count instead of holding the ball for longer. Cooper looked at sea with it all too.

    Deans is devoted to the job but it is also about results. He was shown faith with a new two-year deal before the Cup but now it’s a series win over the British and Irish Lions in 2013 or bye-bye.

  • 705.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 17:13 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-703: eff off

  • 706.DocNZ: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 17:26 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-460: You have Madiba , granted , no nation can compete with that . As for oscars see LOTR , Peter Jackson… and please keep Steve….! I have taste . Die Blou speel nie in die semi’s nie…

  • 707.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 17:27 pm

    @Treehugger(Treehugger)-705: hehehe i’ve always been strangely amused by soeme people in our country who seem to care more for animals more than fellow human beings. the other day a friend of mine who lives in jozi was astounded when his neighbour’s wife buzzed his intercom and asked the strangest of questions.

    when he opened, she sincerely asked him if he wanted to give his 13 month old boerboel puppy, that he bought in east london last year, to her. she continued that a friend of hers who lives in another surburb had agreed to adopt the dog.

    my friend, as one would expect, was dumbfounded and told her “no, the dog is happy here and well taken care of” :D

    cheers tree, gym

  • 708.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 17:45 pm

    So all that talk about the World Cup being won by a team coached by a Kiwi could still be proven correct…

    It can’t be that all these wise Kiwi coaches get out thought by a mad Frenchman, could it?

  • 709.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 17:48 pm

    Never could a Kiwi coach ever be outthought by a Frenchman…

    Especially not the three wise men…

    The three wise men vs Lievremont and some arbitrary Yorkshireman who professes to be a defence guru…? Come on now, no way.

  • 710.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 17:58 pm

    hg./…you a mad marthafarker

  • 711.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 18:06 pm

    @Helen(Helen)-696: Don’t you forget it BABY!

    Undisputed regional champs LOL.

    And winners of the most Currie Cups in history.

    Just none in recent history. ;)

  • 712.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 18:13 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-707: Human beings are masters of there own fate more or less, animals not……… somebody has to speak out for them, Humans cause all the misery on this planet not the animals they are the innocents and yet they are so abused, I see and hear what most of you dont and there are some scare’y feckers out there.

    A person is missing a part of there soul or what ever you want to call it if they cannot relate, or else they are just psychopaths in the making like those students from UKZN.

    Have been dealing with a lot of bad stuff the last couple of weeks Keo is my de-compressorizer (made up word). Most of the people on here make me laugh and forget for a short while when i read the comments.

  • 713.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 18:29 pm

    @Treehugger(Treehugger)-712: Very well put. I have a big soft spot for the plight of the helpless in all forms, including of course animals.

    Was it Ghandi who said that you can judge the level of civilisation of a society by how it treats it’s weakest members?

    In that i would obviously include the elderly, the young, the sick and of course, the animals.

    We don’t score that highly by that measure unfortunately.

    I think it was Dostoyevskey that said that you can judge a nation by it’s prisons. We don’t score very highly by that measure either.

    Kofi Annan said something similar about how we treat women and children. Another fail.

    Environment? Not sure, you’d probably know more about that than me. But it doesn’t look to be a very good trend that I see developing..

  • 714.David: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 18:45 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-713:
    You left out the Lions> :lol:

  • 715.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 18:49 pm

    @David(David)-714: hahahahaha

    Touche’ :D

  • 716.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 18:54 pm

    Safe to come out now?

  • 717.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 18:58 pm

    @Dawn(Dawn)-716: He’s gone. For now ;)

  • 718.au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir...: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:01 pm

    ‘you can judge a nation by how much the opposition takes pity on the lions’…
    hehehe i like it.

  • 719.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:02 pm

    Who supports what team and why sigh

  • 720.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:04 pm

    @Dawn(Dawn)-719: Ja that was a particulary “skippable” part of the thread.

  • 721.Airwell: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:10 pm

    We have a great nation full of passion I am proud to be part of it. And we don’t have a cheating referee called Bryce the doos.

  • 722.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:12 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-720: @Dawn(Dawn)-719: funny that it is the usual suspects that always bring it up :-)

  • 723.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:13 pm

    @Airwell(Airwell)-721: ja, we only have marius jonker, pro legoete & willie doos ;)

  • 724.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:17 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-722: True, but then it’s not like there aren’t certain other “themes” that also pop up regularly :)

    I personally struggle to understand it fully but I have come to realise that certain people feel that way and are not going to change. And I can accept that.

  • 725.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:19 pm

    @Dawn(Dawn)-716: lol, Dawn dont know if you have ever bought People magazine, know its a skinner mag mostly but the have done a 2 full page hoohaa on the people I am with Carol and Steve and what we/them do. The damaged that cannot be rehabilitated will be coming my new sanctuary, you might find it a interesting read, havent got the mag my self yet.

  • 726.ET.: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:24 pm

    @David(David of Norwich)-714:

    Do you realise that your ” my girl ” is closer to 55 than to 45 by much?

    Are you always so condescending and/or patronising?

    Is it, by any chance, because you are reminded of your most favorite tea-girl from your ealier days in the good old English colony of Cape Town?

    Don’t read too much into the questions as ” I am just intrigued”.

  • 727.Airwell: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:28 pm

    Transie they are no competition to Bryce the doos sorry

  • 728.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:37 pm

    @ET.(ExtraThuvi.)-726: Do you know that on questions of colour it is about Black… or White. There is mostly no in between.

    In between is Grey.

    “A Grey” is also a term for an extraterrestrial.

    Are you Grey or “a Grey”?

  • 729.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:39 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-723: Watched Pro Legoete and Jason Japhta reffing last weekend. Both put Bryce Lawrence to shame.

  • 730.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:40 pm

    STORMERSBOY any lawyer person….. sorry last animal thing… have just got off the phone…Is it legal to pay a witness, we have them but have been intimidated and backed out so want to go the greed route, can a witness be paid or rewarded to testify, have been told its done all the time but want confirmation.

  • 731.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:40 pm

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-728: Or Both… Grey and “a Grey”….

  • 732.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:43 pm

    Grys?

  • 733.ET.: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:47 pm

    Do you see ghosts too?

    In my post 726 there is reference to age but no reference to black or white or “grey”.

    There is no “grey” or gray in my scientific rainbow which spells out ” vibgyor “.

    “Grey” ‘ is ‘n nare gemors, ‘n mengsel van swart en wit. Dit bestaan nie in die wetenskap as’n ware kleur nie’.

  • 734.ET.: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:50 pm

    HG is jy vaal of is jy maar net ‘n vaaljapie?

  • 735.carol: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 19:55 pm

    @Treehugger(Treehugger)-730:

    Great idea there Hugs, the ‘Ask the Keo professional’…slot.

    Free information for bloggers…..There would be the Grant10 mortgage questions…. ET on Sports Medicine,

    Who else have we got? ;-)

  • 736.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 20:05 pm

    @carol(carol)-735: :lol: I am shameless and persistent, am not getting delivery of nearly R100 000 worth of poles next week for free by not asking.

  • 737.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 20:13 pm

    @Treehugger(Treehugger)-730:

    Major ethical issue there!

  • 738.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 20:19 pm

    @carol(carol)-735: What are you good at Carol? What can we ask you?

  • 739.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 20:19 pm

    @carol(carol)-735: willievz, xhosakid on the economics, HG on bullshit baffles brains, Black Pantyliner on “wealth creation” aka hedge funds, taahira on BEE verification/law, Rangerman on wildlife, Poppa on security

  • 740.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 20:26 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-739: I’m actually better on economics and finance. It’s my practical background . I studied law, but I do not practice.

    I can say with relative certainty however that it is unethical to pay for eyewitness testimony. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

    The easiest thing to do is to suppoena the witness, but that’s also not a guarantee of appearance.

    My question to TH would be, if the witness is genuinely “intimidated”, how much money is he placing on his safety?

    Sounds like he’s taking a chance.

  • 741.JL1: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 20:29 pm

    Lievremont will have an easy motivational speech on match day

    Sould go something like zees:Sacre Bleu, Sauccisson le fromage, today we surrender against zees Keeweez who call us nothing and laugh in our faces…… Or today you play for Sarkozy and ze new babee. Ze newspapers will sing our praises and you will have all the women in Monte Marte for yourself …and I will shave my silly looking moustache

  • 742.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 20:41 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-740: Thanks, not life threatening i would imagine, lots and lots of witnesses, we have witnesses for the the criminal case this is a bit different, cant really go into it, dont care about the ethics, just need to know if its legal,these persons will not be punished by a place cos the witness backed out,but our criminal case is fine, i am dealing with this.

    Oh i am ver ver good at what i do :mrgreen: getting necessary donations, organizing certain things, getting things done and stuff. :lol:

  • 743.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 20:46 pm

    Oh cook, i can ask my sister in USA, she is a lawyer there, but doubt if she will know.

  • 744.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 20:47 pm

    @Treehugger(Treehugger)-742: Drop me a mail on stormerskeo@gmail.com if you want to discuss it in a bit more depth. Confidentially.

    No pressure but you’re welcome to.

  • 745.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 20:50 pm

    @Treehugger(Treehugger)-743: She’ll tell you it’s considered unethical for an attorney to pay a client for testimony.

  • 746.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 21:05 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-744: I will, but it will most probably bore you. Thanks.

  • 747.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 21:09 pm

    @Treehugger(Treehugger)-746: Anytime.

  • 748.carol: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 21:41 pm

    @stormersboy(stormersboy)-738:

    I just said to WRS “What am I good at”…..Rather hoping for something I could brag about and he said “Victoria Sponge Cake”

    Fark me, the womens movement would lynch me!!

    I am incredibly average at loads of things though!! ;-)

  • 749.carol: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 21:45 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-739:

    JustRugby – Golf Courses of the Southern Cape
    Robzim – Mountain Biking and competitive water sports

    I am not sure either of them work much!!

  • 750.carol: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 21:47 pm

    @Treehugger(Treehugger)-743:

    Look what you started… :-)

  • 751.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 22:04 pm

    @JL1(JL1)-741: lolololololol

  • 752.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 22:08 pm

    @carol(carol)-749: Rossoneri for law, fark me Bryce_in_Oz for milking the stock exchange! “get GOLD”, Sharks_Lover for stakes, Helen & HendrikP for polo-tical science.

  • 753.carol: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 22:11 pm

    @Transformation(Transformation)-752:

    Keo should be thrilled with the quality of his bloggers!! ;-)

  • 754.hashi: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 22:21 pm

    A bit OT, but I just realise that the bokke may never win another game of rugby again.

    Bare with me, I’m not suggesting they are no good (of course they are).

    If the claim that the best referrees are all South Africans, then you guys are bug gered.
    Gone are the days where you can have your own referees whistling your own games.
    Its great for everyone else though.

    whats your thoughts on that? (I’m not trying to be provocotave, its gotta be a legitimate concern?)
    BTW, I know quite a number of refferees (not at international stnd of course) but ALL of them value neutrality as one of the highest virtues. Yes, they admit to making mistakes, and anyone can have a bad game, but not a single one can agree that an international referee would deliberately end their caree and reputation by “cheating”. They may ruin their reputation by making some bad calls (al la Lawrence”, but there is a HUGE difference between missing or making a string of bad calls, and deliberately cheating. Cheating – real cheating like match fixing in cricket or throwing games, not “bending the laws” kind of stuff that all 7′s seems to do, or stupid foul play, may very well go one, but I don’t believe that goes on in ANY of the “developed” rugby nations at an international level. Too much at stake for all concerned.

  • 755.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 22:21 pm

    @carol(carol)-753: Quite the Motley Crew we are.

    Sponge cake huh? Yummy. A good sponge cake is a great skill. :)

  • 756.Treehugger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 22:50 pm

    sa v poms rwc final is on ss1, in 11th minute.

  • 757.KiaKahaNZ: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 23:05 pm

    @Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-17: Slarti – I havent read all the comments here – but I will try to explain teh throat thing in its simplest way.

    If people took the time to look at Moari carvings, whenever a head is carved from wood, the symbol of the tongue sticking out is ALWAYS there, its the Maori way of expressing an extension from within and drawing life from within. Its not an all-of-a-sudden 21st century to provoke outcry, its always been this way, and the drawing of breath from the body through and out the mouth, or houra, is what we call it. Yes it is remarkably similar to a cut throat gesture – no doubt it does appear that way, and that is exacerbated by the thumb action from a clenched fist, but that movement, the thumb and hand is a representation of the act of drawing out. I agree, in that in needs to be altered if used in a sporting occasion to be adjusted to reflect global appreciation.

    Maori culture is a very intricate part of NZ society, we embrace it and enhance it to reflect our ability to include it as in integral part of modern NZ. Many other british colonies have either diluted or simply abandoned the indigenous rights of those territories they settled in. NZ maori have always fought against this, to be be included, not hidden.

  • 758.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 23:24 pm

    @KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-757: hhhhmmmm kapo o pango…

  • 759.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 23:27 pm

    @KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-757:i saw a haka being done by a bunch of seemingly disinterested mostly pakeha all black players from the early 1900, it was just weird and NOT exciting.

  • 760.TheTackler: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 02:11 am

    That throat-slitting gesture in Kapa O Pango was almost immediately dumped by the ABs — to the annoyance of the Italian-Maori choreographer (David Lardelli). It was replaced with a slicing motion from the left waist diagonally up to the right shoulder. But the ABs resident dumb brokejaw boofhead, Ali Williams, has now resuscitated the throat-slitting gesture AND re-ignited the attendant controversy.

    No other haka — some of which are over 150 years old — has any “throat slit” gesture. Kapa O Pango is only 5 years old and isn’t “traditional” by any stretch of even the most febrile imagination. It’s about as “cultural” as what a Suzuki Kizashi is to Japanese culture.

  • 761.wooden spoon: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 02:13 am

    ALL OF SOUTH AFRICA IS BEHIND YOU FRANCE!

    Viva le France!

  • 762.spartan: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 02:50 am

    Late 2007 when Henry, Hansen and Smith were interviewed as to why they should remain as AllBlack coaches
    heres the argument they put forward
    Exhibit A
    They played a DVD of the second half NZ v France at Cardiff and highlighted
    14 penalisable offences all within kicking range
    that were completely ignored by Wayne Barnes
    that’s 14 kickable penaltys aka 42 possible points
    From the evidence provided the NZRFU decided that the loss at Cardiff could not be blamed on the coaching staff nor the players but was in fact a result of some questionable refereeing
    End result Henry ,Hansen and Smith retained their jobs
    So all you bloggers saying it was only 1 forward pass that Barnes missed
    Get your facts right

  • 763.aliboy: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 03:08 am

    @spartan(spartan)-762: The French press at the time had the count at 23 unawarded penalties if I remember correctly. The similarity between what Barnes did in 2007 and Bryce L did in 2011 is scary. Both looked like rabbits in a spotlight, and both decided the result of the game.

  • 764.spartan: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 03:30 am

    @aliboy(aliboy)-763: both refs not up to it

  • 765.hashi: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 03:37 am

    @aliboy(aliboy)-763: amen to that.
    I still don’t call either cheating though. But neither should ever be allowed to ref a RWC final

  • 766.captain fantail: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 03:54 am

    @spartan(spartan)-762: Yes you are absolutely right and French TV also played the same segment and pointed out (on national TV) how we were done out of our chance, perhaps not purposely, but through things we had no control over. More so, was the absolute dignity and composure that Richie, the AB’s and management displayed by not making one detrimental comment………obviously we (supporters ) still feel ripped off but we will fulfill our destiny this weekend.
    Maybe Smitt could take a page from McCaws book and learn to take it on the chin.
    All these people saying the Boks would have beaten us in the finals are dreaming.
    They have been mediocre all season and the rot began in keeping ‘sick’ players home over the Tri Nations.

  • 767.spartan: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:01 am

    @captain fantail(captain fantail)-766: Yes the NZRFU ,Richie and the coaching staff reacted in a manner befitting of both their status and class

  • 768.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:03 am

    @spartan(spartan)-762:

    Show us the money. You Kiwi cheaters are just trying to justify your cheating by claiming somebody else cheated as well. No go. You cheated the Yarpies out of 2011 because you were afraid of them.

  • 769.hashi: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:06 am

    Show us the evidence, that’ll show you the money. You can’t just make stuff up because you don’t like how things went.

    Look, you may be right…but you would only be right by coincidence and speculation, not because of any verifiable evidence.

    But its still bo11ocks. loser.

  • 770.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:07 am

    @spartan(spartan)-768:

    That said, because I am Bryce, the run-of-the-mill cheating Kiwi D I C K HEAD, I did what I was paid for by the NZRU.

  • 771.spartan: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:08 am

    ******** 768 the facts are right in front of you but your to bitter to see it
    grow up

  • 772.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:12 am

    @hashi(hashi)-769:

    Here is more than enough evidence. All of us Kiwis must have the second name of D I C K HEAD because that is what we are. D i c k headed cheats. Lowest of low.

  • 773.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:15 am

    Us lowlifes from NZ were so afraid of never winning a RWC again we cheated, lied and bribed our way into a RWC final. If the useless French now only will roll over and surrender like they promised when we paid them…………….

  • 774.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:17 am

    @captain fantail(captain fantail)-766:

    Unfair comparison, Reechee had another 4 year in front of him, JS got off the boat and won’t get back on.

  • 775.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:18 am

    @spartan(spartan)-772:

    Oops. Here is the evidence. Right at your finger tips.

    http://blogs.sport24.co.za/David-Mac/bryce-lawrence-lord-of-the-whistles-17-Oct-2011

  • 776.hashi: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:18 am

    Thats some pretty compelling evidence you have just presented there. I bow to your evident and faultless argument. In fact, your apparant IQ must be so high, what are you doing on here? You should be off designing the next LHC.

  • 777.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:20 am

    New Zealand bribed their way into a final, they probably bribed the French already. A useless nation.

  • 778.aliboy: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:20 am

    BDL – if you are a Kiwi, I can only assume that you are another immigrant version from a country where the name ‘d i c k head’ is common. You wouldn’t be allowed to legally name a child ‘dh’ in NZ, so you obviously brought the name with you.

    I can understand the Bok supporters being upset about BL’s reffing in that game, but all the abuse directed at Kiwi’s in general is really pretty childish. As for the Kiwi supporters being scared about playing the Bok’s, I can only comment that every AB supporter I know was either hoping for a Bok win, or at best neutral, because they were all more concerned about the threat from the Aussies prior to the Bok/Wallaby game. AFTER the game I would have been more concerned about the Boks because of how well they played, but that wasn’t the feeling before the game started.

  • 779.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:24 am

    @hashi(hashi)-776:

    You speaking to me? Yes, my IQ must be be extremely high (in Kiwi terms), me being Bryce D i c k head, the ultimate Kiwi cheat. I prostituted myself to have the Kiwis win the bloody RWC! For money, I must say.

  • 780.hashi: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:25 am

    Indeed, such a compelling opinion piece such as this deserves not only to forbid lawrence to the dungeons of Mordor, it should form the basis for a new written constitution for the IRB…nay, for a new One World Government! A Fair Government. A Just Government. A Government that will consign the evildoers (aka New Zealanders) to the firey pits of He11!

    Sound good?
    Trouble is, the Bokke would never have any real competition. Ag well.

  • 781.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:26 am

    @aliboy(aliboy)-778:

    I legally renamed myself D i c k head after the quarters. Even my dear mother is proud of it. The NZ way.

  • 782.spartan: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:30 am

    Okay BDL now prove to me Lawrence did it on purpose

  • 783.hashi: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:31 am

    You are right of course bryce. You have done us proud. mostly because you stood up tall, faced the world and said “fck you all”, all without anything so underhand as hiding what you were doing. we kiwis don’t roll that way. up front, stick it to em. we would never do anything as purile as pretend to be what we are not. thats a trick best left to other nations.

  • 784.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:32 am

    @hashi(hashi)-780:

    You are going to big here. If we can just stop ourselves, the New Zealanders (and heaven forbid, YOUR’S TRULY!), to stop cheating, we would have achieved something. The Muslims and the Communists would be easy pie after that.

  • 785.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:36 am

    @spartan(spartan)-782:

    Hell, I’m him! What more do you want. Follow the link I’ve provided, you’ll see exactly how I did it!

    I wish you could see my bank account,

    For the slow brains, here is the story (again):

    http://blogs.sport24.co.za/David-Mac/bryce-lawrence-lord-of-the-whistles-17-Oct-2011

  • 786.hashi: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:36 am

    Stop? Why do that? Its a lesson we learned long ago. we have to come up with a new plan though…now that our agent, PDV is going, we will need a new insider.
    no, wait. better if we just leave the saffas to it, they will fck it up all by themselves.

  • 787.hashi: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:37 am

    great fun this. ;)

  • 788.spartan: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:41 am

    BDL Im still waiting

  • 789.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:46 am

    @spartan(spartan)-788:

    You are.

    You’ve been been waiting for 24 years, to be exact. Now I’ve cheated you into another final, at last. Now McCaw and co must not waste the money spent by the NZRU that I prostituted myself for!

  • 790.hashi: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:46 am

    hey, Bryce, you’ll like this one…

    Whats good about the Springboks?

    Nothing!!

    Go one Brycie, tell us some jokes about the Bokke, I know you have plenty. And since you did such a great job of stabbing the boks in the back, I know you aint afraid of upsetting a few bokke supporters.

  • 791.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:51 am

    @hashi(hashi)-790:

    Yes, I have a few good ones.

    Here is the gist of it:

    If the Boks do something right – penalise them!
    If the Boks do something wrong – penalise them!
    If the Boks do nothing – penalise them!

    Here is how I did it:

    http://blogs.sport24.co.za/David-Mac/bryce-lawrence-lord-of-the-whistles-17-Oct-2011

  • 792.spartan: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:52 am

    BDL proof boy and dont change the f n subject

  • 793.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:55 am

    @spartan(spartan)-792:

    The proof lies in the pudding. The pudding is a RWC final, and I got us there!

    Here is the proof:

    http://blogs.sport24.co.za/David-Mac/bryce-lawrence-lord-of-the-whistles-17-Oct-2011

  • 794.hashi: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 04:55 am

    thats not a joke Bryce, I know you can do better. what about some jokes about the state of the trophy cabinet? Or how about one about the passing of time? I know you have it in you bryce, you are a kiwi after all, and all we do is sh@gg sheep, plan ways to cheat, and of course tell jokes about the bokke. So go on brycie, prove you are the good kiwi you claim to be and tell us a good one.

  • 795.spartan: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 05:00 am

    more like the ravings of a lunatic

  • 796.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 05:02 am

    @hashi(hashi)-794:

    Yes,,,, shagging sheep…. Let me tell you about this cute little ewe….

    NO NO NO!

    Let’s stick to rugby!

    But she was quite interested in Ma’a and his lipstick. He was more interested in the ram, however. The intracasies of our Kiwi love affairs….

    Back to the Bokke. Even Bakkies won’t love our new flyhalf.

  • 797.hashi: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 05:10 am

    C’mon brycie, you should be able to do better than that! What kind of insult is that to the Bokke? Go on…prove your loyalties to the Black Magic and really lay into’em.

    if you don’t, people will start to think you are not a real kiwi after all…more like a “kiwi” andrew merhtens, or a “kiwi” Jerry Collins

  • 798.hashi: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 05:21 am

    No? Can’t bring yourself to do it?

    Then I guess that just confirms you as a Yellow Bellied South African Cowardly do0s who hasn’t even the guts to be themselves and backup what they say with evidence of cheating (although plenty of evidence of rubbish refereeing). To Vermin like you i say “Y o m a s a p u s”

  • 799.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 06:22 am

    http://blogs.sport24.co.za/David-Mac/bryce-lawrence-lord-of-the-whistles-17-Oct-2011

    What an awesome analysis of Bryces f-ups’s

  • 800.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 06:52 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-799:
    lol, i dont think so.
    As soon as he said “In 2007 the All Blacks were robbed in their quarter final match by a single bad decision by Wayne Barnes” Thats where his analysis went out the window, thats where is stopped reading.Clueless

  • 801.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 07:39 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-800:

    Ye i kinda skim read until the analysis, yes agree with you there.

    He might be a bit of a whiner

  • 802.Slartibartfast: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 07:43 am

    @KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-757:

    Kia, thanks for the explanation, only saw it now and is in line with what I remember at the time. I also agree that maybe it should be looked at/altered to cater for a much wider audience than just Kiwis, it is a global sport after all.

    I know knobbie took exception to what I said, or more specific what my wife said about it but like I said he is missing the point, when it starts to have a negative impact on others it is maybe time to rethink.

    You know SA have some weird and wonderful traditions but sometimes it is better left in the proper location and time and not on a sporting field

  • 803.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 08:07 am

    @spartan(spartan)-762: Spartan, good point but I suppose the other side of the story is how many penalisable offecens did the AB’s commit against France that weren’t penalised?

  • 804.spartan: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 09:07 am

    @Skeppie(Skeppie)-803 All I’ll say is the majority of misses by Barnes went against the ABs
    Mcallister binned for what I believe was holding his line
    Then we had the forward pass
    followed by what Barnes incorrectly adjudicated as 40 minutes of perfect French discipline
    so in my opinion we got done over by a ref that was out of his depth
    Lawrence had a bad game but missed illegalities from both teams (although the Boks definitely got robbed )as opposed to the Cardiff debacle.

  • 805.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 09:10 am

    @Skeppie(Skeppie)-803:

    Man, us Kiwis are d i c k heads!

  • 806.Skeppie: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 09:43 am

    @spartan(spartan)-804: I suppose you would know better than me, I watched the game but I suppose did not really pick up all the detail in terms of reffing. The pass was obviously forward though. My issue with the Bok V Aus game was the fact that our momentum was always halted and truth be told we are not the best exponents of a free flowing possesion based game, we tried this approach in the QF and it should have paid off but all our momentum was halted with the 10 turnovers. I am still confuzzled as to why BL didn’t favour rhe side in possesion which all refs should these days. Regardless its over now, I suspect his performace wasn’t as bad as most Saffas are making out but it certainly wasn’t good and I am pretty sure all in all it favoured the aussies more than the boks

  • 807.Bryce Dickhead Lawrence: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 10:39 am

    @Skeppie(Skeppie)-806:

    “I am still confuzzled as to why BL didn’t favour rhe side in possesion which all refs should these days.”

    Ask me, I’m right here!

  • 808.spartan: Reply to this comment
    21 Oct 2011, 11:36 am

    @Skeppie(Skeppie)-806: With Morne Steyn in your team each infringement that was ignored by BL cost the Boks some serious points
    The sad truth is that the Aussies got away with murder at the breakdown
    and I believe Bryces incorrect interpretation of the law is the reason that the Boks lost
    As to your question – I don’t really know

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