KeoTV: Dagg’s a class apart

KeoTV: Dagg’s a class apart

20 Oct 2011

RYAN VREDE says All Blacks fullback Israel Dagg has been the best player at the 2011 World Cup.


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  • 201.cane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:15 am

    @Brads(Brads)-194:

    I’d rather we were playing Wales than France Brads.

    8)

  • 202.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

    You have to have a blend of youth and experience in a side. The Ab’s have it right in the right places. An experienced pack, and a young exciting back 3.

    Walla that’s how you do it!!

    I dissagree with Grant. I think our forwards were perfect, especially with the impact our bench could do.

    But we had no game breakers. Steyn’s long boot was the closest we would get for x-factor lol.

    2007 Habana was incredible, we had no player of the same dynamic in 2011. AB’s entire back 3 are pretty potent and Dagg is awesome.

  • 203.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

    @Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-186: I would rather have LW sister at 8 than that bloody showpony spies!

  • 204.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-164: Stander? Kruger?

    Which Bok Midweek Specials team are we talking about here?

    Seriously JJ, this is not the Rapport.

  • 205.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-189:
    hahaha well said mate.

  • 206.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

    The last time the All Blacks played SA, they lost.
    The last time the Boks played Aus, they lost
    The last time the Aussies played Samoa, they lost
    The last time Samoa played Wales, they lost
    The last time Wales played Fra, they lost.
    The last time Fra played Tonga, they lost
    The last time Tonga played Canada, they lost
    So at the moment, Canada should be world champs

  • 207.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

    @Transformation(Transformation)-177:

    Slow down, cowboy.

    Stander captained South Africa and the Bulls at age group level, and is only 21 this year. Gonna be a regular player in the Bulls S15 squad next year and in a few years time probably in the Bok team, with all the necessary leadership credentials.

    But then, one year below him we have Arno Botha – ALSO the SA U20 captain, and he is already looking good at senior level.

    So there’s lots of competition for leadership positions down the line.

  • 208.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-188: Yes, Kiwis and AB’s are definitely not writing off the French…

    They keep repeating that mantra…

    While they relax…

    Only 80mins left against “turkeys” and then they are “laughing”…. (Quoted from Kiwi journos)

  • 209.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:17 am

    @DocNZ(DocNZ)-199: I would be very unhappy if Spies gets it. I;m sure he is a fine man, but he vhas not proven himself at 8 and I don’t think he should be first choice.

  • 210.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:18 am

    @cane(cane)-201:

    Only because of history.

    This is a vrap French team. Ab’s will kill them Saturday.

    No doubt about it.

    If Carter was there, i’d say i’d put R10,000 on a AB win. WIthout i’m putting R5,000.

  • 211.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:18 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-193:
    Maybe the Ozzies were to young but i think 2015, they will be a force

  • 212.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:18 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-204: Harmse in the house

  • 213.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:19 am

    @grant10(grant10)-203: With you on that one

  • 214.Helen: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:19 am

    Most drop goals at RWC 2011:

    Scotland – 4
    Namibia – 3

    Who knew?

  • 215.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:20 am

    What have the All Blacks got to worry about…

    They thrashed France in the pool game…

    Granted, Alain “Buck” Rolland was reffing the game, but….

    France only took them apart for 10mins… and then they surrendered, like they always do…

    Nope, Kiwis are right to feel “Relaxed”….

  • 216.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:20 am

    @Helen(Helen)-206:
    lol
    I like Canada

  • 217.Brads: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:20 am

    @cane(cane)-201:
    Well of course.

    We can be confident in how they will play, and muster up accordingly.

    Damn Frog’s, are aliens.

  • 218.Bismarck Burger: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:20 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-207: Arno looks the part – a real tearaway flanker!

  • 219.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:22 am

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-208:
    HG correct, the boys need to relax.
    Cant have them all uptight or mistakes will happen.

  • 220.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:22 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-204:

    I think he’s talking about robbing banks.

  • 221.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:23 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-202: our game breakers were bissy and alberts and hougaard…..

    and they sat on the bench while the fat boy tried his hand at shuttle diplomacy, spies modelled sports clothes, and FDP nursed his shoulder.

    Mike….we were done and dusted before we atarted because we stupidly bought into the super bench syndrome as it became an easy excuse to avoid making the tough selection calls…

    we were beaten by ourselves….via a spinel;ess jelly fish coach that was manipulated by a egotistical son of a b itch fat boy that was part of a fat boy cabal club of self glory seeking prima donnas…..

  • 222.Tacitus: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:23 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-204:

    Whoever becomes Bulls captain for our next dynasty will be a long term Bok captaincy contender.

    As I said, Burger or someone will be caretaker captain for the next couple of years, but after that one of the next generation will take over.

    Don’t rate Chilli unfortunately. He would be another Smit – never first choice in his position. Adriaan Strauss has always been better than him, even at provincial level.

  • 223.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:23 am

    ABs are relaxed…

    Les Bleus are a disorganised rabble…

    One way traffic.

  • 224.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:23 am

    @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-215:
    But as you have also stated, NZ had the ref in the pocket that game and France played their B team.
    Different ref and different team isnt that right HG?

  • 225.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:24 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-211:

    Yip definitely – **** they will be a serious force the next 4 years mate.

    This team has been building with babies from 4 years,. now they are becomign men, and they sure have talent.

    I think SA and AB’s need to be a little nervous of the next 4 years. We both lose a lot of hero’s :) and have some rebuilding to do.

    It depends on the SA coached picked i guess. You guys have less politics in that department. You never know what might happen here in SA :) .

  • 226.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:25 am

    France have gone from 15/2 to 8/1…

    ABs have stabilised at 1/8…

    Everyone is relaxed. Its clear who everyone thinks will win.

  • 227.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:26 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-222:

    I have to say that Potgeiter dude at 6 looks like the business.

    Maybe we can offload stegasorous on to Province.

    In exchamge for that Estbeth guy.

  • 228.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:28 am

    @grant10(grant10)-221:

    We played so well in that quarter mate. It was WC winning rugby.

    Dominated everything. But if you team is not allowed to get penalties to score points and can;t score tries because the other team is allowed to take the ball when they want. You can’t win. Well you can win but the aussies line defense is real good i will say. But we should have had a lot more penalties and won by 10.

    I think where we fucked up was not taking more drop goals. When we realised that the ref wasn;t going to penalise the Aussies or let us go through phases in the 22, we HSOULD HAVE:

    DROPPED KICKED MOrE POINTS!!!!

    Agree with you on Hougaard starting. Yes. Bissie against tired legs is amazing to watch. He was perfect in that 30 minute role. He started against Samoa and didn;t have the same impact.

  • 229.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:29 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-227:
    hahahaha Stegasauraus LOL LOL LOL

  • 230.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:29 am

    i also would not write off the French….

    I also believe like HG they have not pulled the trigger as yet….fark me if 1 team can do the dirty it is the french…..

    That 8 and 3 never played last time vs kiwis……they are both class acts….hardinoquy and mas….

    I am not sure the french have the selection right at 10…..but these okes are a strange bunch…..kiwis should bring there A game or farken tears coming…

  • 231.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:30 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-222:

    I must say i wouldn;t like to see Bissie miss out starting for another 4 years. He is in his prime and the next 4 to 6 years need to be his.

  • 232.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:32 am

    1/2 odds on ABs winning by 16+ points.

  • 233.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:32 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-228: no mate…plod vs bissy was simply a huge mismatch….and we chose the cripple fat boy over an athlete at the height of his powers….

    you can spin this all day Mike….we never had the balls to do the right thing…we were weak and diven by the fat boys club……

    insane and we will always suffer because of candy floss weak kneed sentiment….

    and that is the truth of the matter….hard to face and harder to stomach…..but thats the facts of the matter…

  • 234.justrugby: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:33 am

    The Bulls are soon going to be so full of Province players it’s going to be hard not to like them !!!

  • 235.Gunther: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:34 am

    In other news I see it’s costing R 398 million to keep a roof over our President-in-Thief’s head.

    yoh.

  • 236.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-222: First things first – Adrian Strauss is average personified. He is the kind of player who ends up spending his entire career at the Cheetahs, apart from a couple of seasons in Ireland or France. The Cheetahs team is littered with them. Collectively they punch above their weight, but individually the Cheetahs only have one star – Juan Smith.

    Secondly, while Stander and Botha seem to be decent players, they are not the undisputed best young loose forwards in SA. Kolisi (WP), Labuschagne (Cheetahs) and Coetzee (Sharks) have impressed too. So there is no guarantee for them of Bok berths.

    And finally, their leadership qualities might not be the kind needed to unite and fire up the Boks. I’m sure they’d make great head boys at Affies or Waterkloof, but the Bok captain needs to have a slightly broader appeal, if you catch my drift.

    But use these leadership qualities at the Bulls, by all means. Alongside the superb leadership skills of the likes of Dewald Potgieter, Gerrit-Jan van Veldze etc etc.

  • 237.Hurricane: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

    @grant10(grant10)-230:
    right on.
    We need to play our A game or a result us kiwis dont want to think about will happen.
    This French team is scary. Looked average to say the least,played a good game against England when needed. Its like they have just played enough to be there, nothing special. But when will that special game that they are noted for happen?
    If its in the final, we will lose if we dont play our best, simple.

  • 238.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

    NO upset this year.

    The FRench have some decent players in their pack. They have an awesome front row though. I would take their props anyday. BUT they are out partying, their coach hates his own players, the players hate their coach. Their 10 sucks.

    How the hell they are in a final god only knows.

    The AB’s will be on their A-game as they know too well the hoodoo.

    I call a AB’s win.

  • 239.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-207: haven’t we seen this movie before? dewalt, captain SASchools etc, strong feature on the bulls set-up, captain of Emerging Boks, yeah yeah keep going and bang where is he now?, i bet you dewalt is going overseas after next year :roll:

    stander, van velze ngumgubo wengxowa enye…average at the moment!

  • 240.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-224: Nearly the same team, but yes, different ref.

    Relax… all logic says so.

    ABs thrashed France in their pool… So did Tonga… Japan nearly did, and Canada gave them a fright.

    And yet….

  • 241.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:36 am

    @Mike H(Mike H)-238:

    Oh yes I remember how they got to the final.

    They played an English Team that went out to NZ to pick up hotel maids and bungey jump, they beat a 14 man team – ah yes.

    I remember

    What a disgrace

  • 242.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:36 am

    I will gladly and happily take steggies into the wp / stormers fold….

    We will give you Fondse back…

  • 243.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:36 am

    @Gunther(gunther)-235: Of which R170 million was just for interior renovations (not including any furniture).

    The revolution won’t be kind.

  • 244.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:37 am

    Was there ever a bigger underdog and favourite in the World Cup final…?

    Wonder what the odds were on the Boks and ABs in 1995?

  • 245.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:38 am

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-236: brussow not a star?

  • 246.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:38 am

    @Tacitus(Deucalion)-222:

    hahahaha yeah right,just like Anton Leonard,Victor Matfield were Bok captains who were also captains of Blue Dynasty perhaps? Dont think so.

    And another thing is that its not a given that Bulls will dominate SA rugby landscape again.Not even Vince Lombardi had multiple generations of dominance,Heyneke has some work on his hands. When last didnt Bulls make CC semi??Not going to plan so far. Plus the junior teams arent as uber dominant as previous generation.Have watched them and there are no real “once in a generation” type talents so far. Good players in Mbonambi,Botha,Breedt,Jantjes,Frans Venter,CJ Stander but thats about it…Cornell Hess has stagnated a bit etc Its unlike likes of Spies,Strauss,Rallapelle,Potgieter etc generation.

    Its all up in the air right now…To be honest WP looks by far the most impressive with their young player stocks coming through in: Kitshoff,Etzebeth,Kolisi,Carr,Mbovane,JP du Plessis,Koster REAL standouts.. Then likes of Johaness,Shreuder,Hartzenberg,Groom,Ntubeni some decent provincial players at very least.

    Dont think any other union has that level of young talent to match WP at present.

  • 247.grant10: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:39 am

    @Hurricane(Hurricane)-237: yip….I do believe Henry will get you boys in the right mental space though….

  • 248.Mike H: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:41 am

    @grant10(grant10)-247:

    For sure

    They know all too well the feeling of losing to France in WC’s, many of these guys were there last time.

    It won;t happen again.

    Ab’s by 10

  • 249.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:43 am

    @grant10(grant10)-233: leave it, it is over and donw with, plod is Saracens’ problem now. Schalk Brits is kak bang!

  • 250.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    20 Oct 2011, 10:44 am

    @grant10(grant10)-245: He is already one. They guys I mention are future stars.

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