Fourie set for Japanese stint
24 Oct 2011
Jaque Fourie has agreed a short-term deal with Japanese club the Panasonic Wild Knights.
There have been reports linking the Springbok and Stormers centre to a move to Japan over the last fortnight. After discussions between the player and the WP union, it has been decided that Fourie will be released to play for the Wild Knights for the duration of their domestic season.
The 28-year-old will return in time for the Stormers’ Super Rugby campaign, that kicks off on 24 February. However, with the Japanese domestic season only ending on 5 February, it means Fourie will head straight into Super Rugby preparations with no break after a busy 2011, which included an extended Super Rugby season, Tri-Nations and World Cup tournaments.
Fourie is the second Stormers player to be sent out on loan to a Japanese club. Flyhalf Peter Grant is currently playing in his second campaign for the Kobe Kobelco Steelers, and will also rush back into Super Rugby next year. Springbok and Bulls scrumhalf Fourie du Preez and lock Danie Rossouw have both signed two-year deals with Japanese club Suntory Sungoliath.
This site has it on good authority that there is an opportunity for Fourie to make a permanent transfer to Japan after Super Rugby. Fourie will have the opportunity to experience Japan and their domestic rugby from October to February, and could be open to a longer deal.
By Gareth Duncan
278 Comments
24 Oct 2011, 14:26 pm
greedy
24 Oct 2011, 14:49 pm
This really doesn’t help the Stormers.
At the start of the last S15, their flyhalves were getting crocked as frequently as
NZ’s at the RWC.
Stormers were desperate to get Grant back, but his Japanese team made the play-offs
and they had to wait.
Then there was the worry that he’d be played into the ground.
He returned and played well.
Although, if memory serves, he also got injured.
But the point is it did the Stormers’ preparations and planning absolutely no favoours.
Van Aswegen is clearly injury-prone.
So Catrikilis (promising but no S15 experience) is likely to be first-choice at start of S15 season.
What if he gets injured. He also seems to be prone to the odd niggle.
What then? Coleman, Dollie, Lane? Please no.
And what if JDV and/pr JDJ get injured?
Eish.
24 Oct 2011, 14:49 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-1:
24 Oct 2011, 14:50 pm
Another Mickey Mouse contract. Nice one Province.
Why do players make the move to Province then move overseas?
Do WP fck up these players so badly that no other union wants them back?
24 Oct 2011, 14:51 pm
Stormers 1st choice 22 makes for formidable reading:
1. Kitshoff 2. Liebenberg 3. Malherbe 4. Elstadt 5. Bekker 6. Burger 7. Louw 8. Vermeulen 9. Duvenhage 10. Grant 11. Habana 12. De Villiers 13. Fourie 14. Van Den Heever 15. Aplon
16. Fourie 17. Harris 18. Etsebeth 19. Koster 20. Groom 21. Catrikilis 22. De Jongh
But how often will they be able to prepare for and compete in matches with this 22?
24 Oct 2011, 14:54 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-1: Dont think so, real estate in the good suburbs of CT are pricey.
24 Oct 2011, 14:55 pm
no one but himself to blame if he breakdowns in 2012. Wonder if he’s now on a ‘pay as you go’ contract at the stormers and if he will be awarded with a bok contract in 2012, or be on the same pay/play deal. The risk of injury is surely up 25% with zero break.
The new bok coach wont be impressed.
24 Oct 2011, 15:00 pm
@puff(puff)-5: agreed on the forwards, however that backline is riding on reputation and look average these days. against the lions they were very ordinary. Fourie being the only standout, and after a season in Japan he’s going to be in need of serious rest.
24 Oct 2011, 15:01 pm
he is by far the better half of ‘the worlds best midfield combination’.
24 Oct 2011, 15:01 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LSuY-0qOpE&feature=related
Mossie practicing his Karaoke in anticipation…..
24 Oct 2011, 15:05 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-1:
i think its the wife.
nothing against her, am sure she’s a nice gal but she has covetous eyes.
and covetous eyes can be expensive.
24 Oct 2011, 15:06 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-11: Met her once.
Wasn’t looking at her eyes…
24 Oct 2011, 15:07 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-9: Jean must be feeling the heat, the new combo will surely be Steyn/Fourie. Time for new blood.
9. Hougaard, 10. Lambie, 12. Steyn 13. Fourie very exciting for test season in 2012.
24 Oct 2011, 15:10 pm
I have to question this okes integrity. If you look at Guthro, Fourie Du Preez and Danie Rossouw’s manner in which they negotiated their new contracts. They were transparent and had the integrity to be as loyal as possible to the union that paid their salaries. JF signed a contract with the Lions and went back on his word to play for the Stormers. We all know how that played out. Now, The Stormers paid big bucks for this clown and JF is not worried about WP’s title aspirations in the S15! How will he be able to compete at that level after coming back from Japan with no rest…..If I never see this clown in a Springbok jersey, it will be to soon!! Trust me…this is good riddance! Juan De Jong will now at last proof his worth!
24 Oct 2011, 15:12 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-11:
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-12:
So Big hit says France has been fined £10 000 for advancing on the war boogy, your thoughts, have already expressed mine in no uncertain terms on the other thread.
24 Oct 2011, 15:14 pm
Why do WP want to rush Peter Grant back into Super rugby? There must be someone better.
24 Oct 2011, 15:14 pm
@Loyal Lion(Loyal Lion)-14: Well the way he left the Lions left a bitter tase, WP better hope he does not pick up an injury and that his conditioning is good on return for the S15
24 Oct 2011, 15:17 pm
@AVID FAN(AVID FAN)-13:
1. Steenkamp 2. B. Du Plessis 3. J. Du Plessis 4. Smith (vc) 5. Bekker 6. Brussow 7. Burger (c) 8. Alberts 9. Hougaard 10. Goosen 11. Pieterson 12. F. Steyn 13. Fourie 14. Aplon 15. Lambie
16. Strauss 17. Oosthuyzen 18. Kruger 19. Vermeulen 20. Pretorius 21. De Jongh 22. Taute
24 Oct 2011, 15:17 pm
@Loyal Lion(Loyal Lion)-14:
Agree. Juan de Jongh deserves an extended run in the Bok jersey.
Pity that he and Sadie won’t be galvanising into a unit during the S15
24 Oct 2011, 15:19 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-15: i do remember that this was an issue before, and the IRB basically issued some proclamation a year or so ago about not advancing beyond your own half.
The frogs went well beyond that, and I remember thinking on Sunday that they were going to get some censure for that,
I think it’s ridiculous personally, but in their defense, the ‘blacks stand well away from the Half way line, behind the 10m line even.
I remember an incident with our guys where someone was advancing on Jonah lomu when he was doing the haka and they almost climbed into each other as it ended.
i think it’s to avoid something like that….
Frogs were hyped up for sure!
24 Oct 2011, 15:19 pm
@puff(puff)-5: Louw, really? He is gone man, he played his last match for the WP long ago … What kind of a brokeback does not know this news.
24 Oct 2011, 15:19 pm
@Loyal Lion(Loyal Lion)-14: Sad thing is that he is at an age where he should be playing his best rugby, and by this little stint will jeopardise his bok starting position. This may come back to haunt him financially…although in saying that he could be on mega bucks in Japan.
24 Oct 2011, 15:20 pm
@RL(RL)-21:
Pieter Louw.
Your ignorance is excused.
24 Oct 2011, 15:20 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-20:
heeeellllloooo sweetie!
24 Oct 2011, 15:20 pm
@JA-JA(JA-JA)-16: Looks like we may need him at centre. 12 cover for JDV, as JDJ will be playing 13, certainly at the beginning……
If I never see him in the 10 jersey it will be too soon for me…..
24 Oct 2011, 15:22 pm
@AVID FAN(AVID FAN)-22:
Yes, agreed.
Could even be one of the genuine leaders in the Bok team.
In fact, if either Juan Smith or Schalk Burger can’t play, I’d make JF Bok VC .
24 Oct 2011, 15:22 pm
@Helen(Helen)-24: Hello Dahlink! have a good weekend??
24 Oct 2011, 15:22 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-12:
guess you know a thing or two about covetous eyes then…nudge, nudge wink
@AVID FAN(AVID FAN)-13:
or even steyn/fourie inmidfield with morne at 10 and jantjes as his understudy.
if steyns gonna be a midfielder then we need someone to fill in at fullback and from the wc i can say i’m happy with lambie at 15.
yes, hougaard at 9.
24 Oct 2011, 15:23 pm
Why are they not allowed to advance on the haka?
I’d like to see them doing the haka face-to-face.
Whoever gets to stand in front of Nonu should be allowed to bittchslap the lipstick right off his lips.
24 Oct 2011, 15:25 pm
@puff(puff)-18: would like to see that facing the poms in June 2012. In fact that team could well play in the 2015 RWC, i just hope some young super talent (ala Steyn) comes through between now and then.
24 Oct 2011, 15:25 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-27:
Not really, the tension of the final made me bleed like a Viet Kong massacre.
24 Oct 2011, 15:27 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-27: LOL actually I haven’t met her, but i do remember seeing a photo and thinking he could do better…. (looking around nervously…)
24 Oct 2011, 15:28 pm
@Helen(Helen)-29:
24 Oct 2011, 15:28 pm
@Helen(Helen)-31: I had no tension at all. It was a sadly detached affair for me.
24 Oct 2011, 15:28 pm
@Helen(Helen)-29: Is this story true or another conspiracy ????
24 Oct 2011, 15:32 pm
2 new words were coined during this world cup
Bryce – Chinese staple food, served in salt water
SAmoan – When Saffas complain
24 Oct 2011, 15:32 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-15: IRB love dishing out fines. that gets £10K and Poms cheating get £3K…is laughable when put into perspective.
IRB are a mockery.
AB’s can do their war dance and other teams must just stand there. If there was and incident that arose from the French players advancing forward, then fair enough dish out a fine but FFS chaps, its rugby.
24 Oct 2011, 15:33 pm
@AVID FAN(AVID FAN)-30:
For the next two years, for sure.
Don’t know whether Juan Smith and Schalk Burger have another world cup in them, considering how much rugby they’ve played – defs not Juan Smith.
And I reckon, after two years, you may find the likes of Jacques Fourie, Steenkamp etc. being usurped by younger players.
Boks have a ton of youngsters set to come through:
Kitshoff, Oosthuyzen, Elstadt, Etsebeth, Kruger, Minnie, Strauss, Kolisi, Goosen, Engelbrecht, Venter, Sadie, Taute… to name a few (not to mention other younger more established players like Mtawarira, Brussow, Hougaard, Mvovo, Lambie who deserve more consistent game time).
So future is looking bright.
Now all that’s needed is the right coaching staff to harness and guide the talent.
24 Oct 2011, 15:34 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-20: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15hgl4qfvcA
here we go! Kobus and Jonah almost getting into it during the ’95 final!
Classic stuff.
24 Oct 2011, 15:35 pm
@stew(stew)-35:
Must be a conspiracy.
Someone standing on a grassy knoll saw them loading 3 cone headed ‘people’ into the back of a van
24 Oct 2011, 15:36 pm
Check this one out: Ireland V AllBlacks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weUHwCjeD7s&NR=1
24 Oct 2011, 15:39 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-39:
kobus would have ffukked jonah right up.
no two ways about it.
24 Oct 2011, 15:40 pm
@AVID FAN(AVID FAN)-30:
Juan Smith and Schalk Burger to lead for the next two years.
And possibly Bismark Du Plessis and Andries Bekker to lead the Boks to the 2015 World Cup (but it’s really too soon to tell).
24 Oct 2011, 15:40 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-42: No doubt.
24 Oct 2011, 15:43 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-41: Brilliant
24 Oct 2011, 15:43 pm
@stew(stew)-35: Rugby World Cup 2011
France fined for haka breach
2011-10-24 14:07
Dublin – France have been hit with a £10 000 fine by the IRB for advancing on the New Zealand haka prior to Sunday’s Rugby World Cup final.
VIDEO: Haka prior to 2011 Rugby World Cup final
France broke IRB rules by not staying the prescribed distance away from the haka and therefore incurred the fine.
Speaking before the fine was confirmed, Marc Lievremont said his captain Thierry Dusautoir tried to prevent his team-mates from crossing the halfway line.
Lievremont told reporters: “He tried to stop them, there was a bit of movement bringing them forward.”
Meanwhile, Richie McCaw claimed that he was not surprised by the French team’s actions, saying: “We talked that they’d bring something different and they did, but the game doesn’t start until the whistle blows does it?”
24 Oct 2011, 15:46 pm
@puff(puff)-38: thats true, new coach needs to bring through the youngsters, so by the time time 2015 rolls round, these guys yet to make the debut for the boks, have 20 + caps under their belt.
I think players based abroad wont be picked bar Steyn. So Ruan, Johan Muller, BJ etc looked to have had their last days in bok colours…cant say im complaining. I also hope we find a better replacement than CJ, he has stacked up the cash in bok caps for his ‘versatility’ to play on both sides of the scrum. Pity he doesnt know what a ruck or maul is.
24 Oct 2011, 15:47 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-46: Got to admit this is horse S*H*I*T – did they actually cross the halfway line ?
24 Oct 2011, 15:49 pm
@stew(stew)-48:
surely that’s what the 3rd umpire is for?
24 Oct 2011, 15:50 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-49: lol
24 Oct 2011, 15:50 pm
@puff(puff)-43: I think Juan captain option for now. Let Schalk be Schalk.
Bismark to be the captain in 2yrs, by then he’ll be in the ‘captains’ mould.
24 Oct 2011, 15:50 pm
@stew(stew)-48: surely they knew that i would come & bite them in the arse!
http://www.allblacks.com/news/14266/IRB-confirms-haka-will-not-be-challenged
24 Oct 2011, 15:51 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-52: it
24 Oct 2011, 15:52 pm
Can the kiwis not be fined fro bringing the game into disrepute?
How many male sporting codes would allow their “men” to wear mascara?
24 Oct 2011, 15:53 pm
@stew(stew)-48: By a fair distance i i remember correctly,
Thing is, and this is where the IRB have a point, is that if it’s allowed to be challenged that way unchecked, that one day soon there will be a ‘contact” incident and all hell will break loose. That would be a very bad day.
The apposing team can do basically whatever they like, as long as it’s in their own half. They can ignore, stand in a circle, face them, turn their backs, it’s all been done at some stage.
Just stay in your half, the AB’s after all stay in theirs.
I don’t see the problem quite frankly
24 Oct 2011, 15:53 pm
another glowing example of player power …..I would have told J F to take his farken sushi and f off…..these okes are the tail wagging the dog in no uncertain terms…..
Should have kept Sadie ….he , JDV and JDJ….with Whitehead…would have been a great quartet….
But Rassie and AC know better…….ja…of course they do…
numbnuts the lot of these wp / stormers palookas….
24 Oct 2011, 15:55 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-52: I really dont have a problem with the Haka being challenged , of all i think it helps the Abs more ….. And it is great for the fans !!!! As long as it doesnt end in a dust up i think the showmanship is great
24 Oct 2011, 15:55 pm
@AVID FAN(AVID FAN)-47:
Coenie Oosthuyzen must be nurtured as the ideal Bok prop cover on both sides of the scrum – fantastic talent.
As far as I know, the rule is 3 overseas-based Bok players can make a Bok squad.
I still think Steenkamp and of course Frans Steyn have a lot to offer.
Gerhard Mostert too, although the young second row stocks are looking good, which I am very relieved about considering the Boks have just lost 3 of the best locks in world rugby (if not THE best).
Not sure what the ruling will be re players who have one foot in the country and one foot out the country ala Sarel Pretorius and Jacques Fourie.
Boks are suddenly looking a bit vulnerable at scrumhalf beyond Francois Hougaard, so potentially both Pretorius and Ruan Pienaar will be in the mix next year.
Time will tell!
24 Oct 2011, 15:55 pm
@stew(stew)-48: i say the All Blacks should PAY the fine themselves or the NZRU, france won the toss to wear their original kit but in a gesture of sportmaship allowed the kiwis to wear their black jerseys instead of whatever would’ve been their alternative strip. the irb should bugger off man!
24 Oct 2011, 15:56 pm
@grant10(grant10)-56:
I agree with you.
WP is kakk!
I also would never support them.
I am with you Grant!
Who’s your team, Lions, Sharks??
24 Oct 2011, 15:56 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-55: Agreed
24 Oct 2011, 15:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-59: Would be a good jesture for sure
24 Oct 2011, 15:57 pm
@grant10(grant10)-56: you are not a very happy rugby supporter lately.
24 Oct 2011, 15:57 pm
@AVID FAN(AVID FAN)-51:
I won’t argue.
Juan Smith is my favourite rugby player.
Can’t believe I’m advocating him switching to number 4 lock for the Boks, but it just seems to make sense, doesn’t it…?
24 Oct 2011, 15:57 pm
@puff(puff)-58:
Ruan Pienaar??????
No way!!!
He always looks like he searching for the pasta aisle
24 Oct 2011, 16:02 pm
Its time to clear out the Boks and start afresh … with the exception of following –
2) Biz
5) Bekker
6) Brussow
7) Alberts
9) Hougie
12)Frans
15) Lambie
24 Oct 2011, 16:03 pm
And Shalk should be avoided as capt, his behaviour vs Lions on Sat was a disgrace.
24 Oct 2011, 16:03 pm
@Helen(Helen)-65:
You have a point there.
Very over-rated.
Looks so disinterested on the field.
Beyond Hougaard, who do you suggest for Bok 9 jersey moving forward?
24 Oct 2011, 16:04 pm
@Helen(Helen)-60: Lions…..
used to be sharks were my 2 nd best team
but sharks bloggers the pits….
so Lions for me…
24 Oct 2011, 16:05 pm
Poor Grantie.
A blue monday indeed.
Stormers should buy a nice large prop to cheer him up.
Perhaps BJ?
24 Oct 2011, 16:05 pm
@bananas(bananas)-66:
Still reckon Steenkamp, Burger, Pieterson and Fourie have plenty to offer.
But agree with the rest.
24 Oct 2011, 16:05 pm
I think Habana needs a break from SA to get his mojo back. He was looking good at the RWC, shame wwe left early!! Habana should probably go to France for a season!!
24 Oct 2011, 16:05 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-63: mediocrity and a quarter final exit tends to do that to me.
24 Oct 2011, 16:06 pm
@bananas(bananas)-66: yip…
24 Oct 2011, 16:06 pm
@grant10(grant10)-69:
Cheetahs for me.
24 Oct 2011, 16:06 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-59: I would have stronger words for the IRB. Their judicial system is so flawed. IRB need a cleanout!
24 Oct 2011, 16:07 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-70: LOL
That would be a start….
Man U taking 6 of the best has not helped my mood either!
24 Oct 2011, 16:07 pm
puff #71 – I agree. This nincoln poops asking for all the old heads to be crocked are living in a dream world, the Boks would get hammered without them. JPP is still rahter young and has another RWC in him. Habana, JF, Burger have atleast 2/3 years left in them. JDV maybe another year or s0 but i wouldhave him on my bench anyday.
Also i am afraid that Morne Steyn has still alot to offer Bok rugby, the poor man did not have one single break since 2009!! M Steyn should have had a break till the EOYT!!!
24 Oct 2011, 16:08 pm
@Helen(Helen)-60:
Namibia for world cups.
24 Oct 2011, 16:08 pm
wp are driving me to drink I tell you…..buffoons…the whole bloody lot of them…imbeceles…..signing bloody shadow….I mean WTF next man…..Plod and spies?
24 Oct 2011, 16:09 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-70: eat your heart out!!!
Rugby World Cup Limited Chairman Bernard Lapasset.
The Frenchman stated that the tournament had achieved the key goals of furthering the profile of Rugby and New Zealand around the world.
New Zealand’s 8-7 victory over France in the Rugby World Cup 2011 Final brought down the curtain on a tournament that achieved all ticketing, sponsorship and broadcast targets as more than 100,000 international fans joined New Zealanders in attending matches at Rugby’s showcase event.
“New Zealand 2011 will be remembered as an exceptionalRugby World Cup. It has been a tournament where New Zealand’s rich culture and heritage has gone hand in hand with Rugby’s tradition and values.”
“New Zealanders should be proud of their event. They made it special by embracing the tournament the length and breadth of the country, welcoming all 20 teams and 100,000 international visitors with open arms. It was quite remarkable.”
Lapasset also praised the Tournament Organisers and the spirit of close collaboration that has delivered one of the great Rugby World Cups.
“I would like to extend my heartfelt thanks to Brian Roche, Martin Snedden and the Rugby New Zealand 2011 team, the New Zealand Rugby Union and the Government for their vision, dedication and hard work in delivering Rugby World Cup 2011 in partnership with the IRB team.
“Their reward is the successful hosting of what will be remembered as one of the great Rugby World Cups, a sporting and operational success.
“New Zealand 2011 has positioned the country as a major event host, a superb tourism destination and a great country. It has also taken our sport to new audiences and has set the bar for future hosts.”
24 Oct 2011, 16:09 pm
As long as JF is back in time for the S15… I’m not too fussed by him playing in Japan…
It’s hardly the toughest league in the world and he’s unlikely to get injured… and it may be a way for him to keep ‘match’ fit and in touch with his game and he could come back more ‘ready’ than other S15 players in all teams who ‘veg’ over the festive season… although obviously most squads will be in some sort of training…
As far as France getting fined for advancing on the haka… it’s ridiculous…
I’ve always been okay with the haka… although rib some of our kiwi posters about it…. but if the IRB makes laws that the Kiwis can do their haka and prescribe how teams may or may not react to what is, after all, a challenge… then (sorry my kiwi friends…) it is time to get rid go the haka…
how the hell can there be laws in rugby that so obviously favour one team?? (okay four teams but the rule was made for the ABs…)
24 Oct 2011, 16:10 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-78: M Steyn can have a break allright….say for the next farken decade!!
24 Oct 2011, 16:10 pm
@puff(puff)-64: Agreed on Coenie.
Not sure Juan @ captain would want to be playing out of position, although i have no doubt he’ll do a fine job at 4.
24 Oct 2011, 16:11 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-78: Are you talking about line breaks ???? LOL
24 Oct 2011, 16:11 pm
So Lions vs Sharks. The last time both of these two teams were dominant was a good time for SA rugby…
Spirit of the 1990′s returns and let the good times roll. Fark the rest.
24 Oct 2011, 16:12 pm
@grant10(grant10)-80: these WP arseholes are really stupid, they let joe pietersen go and then sign van den heever a year later.
24 Oct 2011, 16:13 pm
@puff(puff)-23: I did not believe that story about fuglies been hit with ugly sticks … that is until I laid my poor eyes on PLo
Eish eina ouch!
24 Oct 2011, 16:14 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-52: smacks of favoritism if you put the challenge out there, opposition should be allowed to challenge, almost provocation.
24 Oct 2011, 16:15 pm
@grant10(grant10)-80: ideally Spies would go to the Cheetahs and focus on playing good hard rugby with no distractions. I assume the boks have some sort of tradition such as ‘big hit’ of the match, doubt he has or ever will win it.
24 Oct 2011, 16:16 pm
@ufo(ufo)-82: IRB chief executive Mike Miller told the Herald that teams cannot disrepect traditional aspects of a nation’s cultural heritage by reacting in certain ways to a haka or war dance, and that a harder stance will be taking by the game’s governing body in the future.
“It’s a traditional part of the game,” Miller said.
“If people want to develop something – not a response, not a war dance, but a traditional sporting or cultural way of engendering that team spirit for a match – great. They should be able to and we should create the space to do it.”
“It would be a shame if people said: ‘Let’s do away with it’ or felt the need to do some response that took away from the dignity and power of it.”
“There is the protocol that says let them have the space. We discuss it with everyone before. We say: ‘We are serious about this and that there is a fine’ if they do it. So they can’t say they didn’t know and most people respect that. These cultural parts of the game are important. We should respect them.”
24 Oct 2011, 16:18 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-86: Should be an awesome game – got my tickets
24 Oct 2011, 16:19 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-81:
one of the most exceptional world cups EVER!
irb contortionistas.
24 Oct 2011, 16:20 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-86:
Gonna be a cracker.
Sharks have the better pedigree, but team with the most heart will win it.
Can see Butch playing a pivotal role at some point in the game.
24 Oct 2011, 16:22 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-78:
Let’s not get too carried away.
Not sure Habana and JDV are best options in their positions at this point.
But I wouldn’t want the Boks going to war without the likes of Steenkamp, Smith, Burger and Jacques Fourie if they are fit and available.
24 Oct 2011, 16:22 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-93: now i’m getting confused at all these superlatives. “best world cup ever, PROBABLY” or ” exceptional rugby world cup”
24 Oct 2011, 16:24 pm
Spies going to Province next year.
Stander, Arno Botha and v Velze(spelling?) considered better options.
24 Oct 2011, 16:25 pm
lets just allow all our players carte blanche…..do as they please…screw rest periods, etc….wtf….we used tio coming 2 nd anyway…
24 Oct 2011, 16:26 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-87: farken imbeciles man
24 Oct 2011, 16:28 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-97:
Spies going to Stormers/Province as centre cover.
Now that would be news.
Could be as effective as Jamie Roberts in midfield.
But as an 8th man?
Holnaai no!
24 Oct 2011, 16:28 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-97: shadow and Spies playing for the Stormers … I like
24 Oct 2011, 16:28 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-97: fark that….you sharkies can have him…
by the way…can we have 1 of your props? Prefreably Herbst or Van Staden?
24 Oct 2011, 16:28 pm
@puff(puff)-94:
Cant see Sharks winning it with Joubert, Stef and Odwa at 12,13,14.
Also, Sharks been too inconsistent throughout the CC. Lions have had the benefit of continuity throughout and it showed on Sat and will show vs the Sharks.
Thats not to say the Sharks will battle, I just think the Lions have been more consistent in their selections and approach to the game.
Will be a hummydinger though.
24 Oct 2011, 16:29 pm
@RL(RL)-101: please RL….you are farken ruining the friendship my man…
24 Oct 2011, 16:30 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-96:
look.
let’s cut to the chase.
it was in all probability an exceptional world cup.
probably amongst the most exceptional ever.
if not of all time.
certainly in the top 7.
24 Oct 2011, 16:31 pm
@grant10(grant10)-102:
Kitshoff, Malherbe, Smith brothers and Kritzinger (if he can stay injury free) – all quality.
24 Oct 2011, 16:32 pm
@RL(RL)-101:
Spies at centre – otherwise he shouldn’t bother.
I’m serious!
24 Oct 2011, 16:33 pm
@grant10(grant10)-104: Spies and Shadow on the wing of course … JDJ and Koster at centre
24 Oct 2011, 16:33 pm
@RL(RL)-101: me to
24 Oct 2011, 16:35 pm
@grant10(grant10)-102:
Jeez, Herbst and v Staden are crucial to next years S15 where depth is going to be key.
Would hate to lose either of them.
Stroeli ok at buying forwards. Kaaaaaaaaaaaak backs talent scout.
24 Oct 2011, 16:36 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-105: I would like to know what qualifies this as the best rwc everrrrrrrrrr, I thought the one we had was out standing, and i am sure every other one has been just as good as well.
So why is this the best one ? serious question.
24 Oct 2011, 16:37 pm
@puff(puff)-106: quality youngsters….yes..
Next years super 15 winners?
Not on your nelly…
24 Oct 2011, 16:37 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-91:
so what is your opinion on the subject…?
24 Oct 2011, 16:37 pm
@puff(puff)-107:
What makes you think he can play centre ? he does not understand running/defensive lines, can’t tackle(main ingredient for a centre) can’t step off both feet , no boet he will make a dismal centre, centre is a massively technical position and one that requires a huge appetite to tackle !!
24 Oct 2011, 16:38 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-110: rassie great at buying wings….
kakkkkkkkkk at everything else!
24 Oct 2011, 16:38 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-103: sharks don’t need centres, they have ALL the ball carriers they need in their pack, Bissy, Alberts, Deysel, Beast., Kanko!
24 Oct 2011, 16:42 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-114: okes are farken insane here my man….insane…!
24 Oct 2011, 16:43 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-116:
Its by far the biggest frustration i have with the Sharks setup at the moment.
Big ball carrying forwards can only take you so far. If a team matches us there, there is no plan B.
Stef and Joubert are not going to create anything at the back and Odwa battles to run round flankers at the moment. Means its left up to Lambie, JP and Mvovo, if he plays, to do anything.
24 Oct 2011, 16:45 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-114:
The same reason I believe Schalk Brits can play 8th man and Ricky Januarie can play prop
I’m not really serious – just winding some people up.
24 Oct 2011, 16:46 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-111:
hugsy.
‘cos Blackie said so.
why don’t we slip into the hot tub and discuss it further?
24 Oct 2011, 16:46 pm
Go Sharks.
Go Lions.
The Best two Teams in the Currie Cup.
May the best team win.
24 Oct 2011, 16:46 pm
@ufo(ufo)-113: i don’t know or understand why some teams were allowed to impose/exhibit cultural practices on a rugby field when in a fair contest – imo – everyone should get their national anthem sung properly and then get on with the match. i don’t get why others are allowed to bring their ethnic heritage into it.
it’s there though and i quite like it and for me the french or any other team should be allowed to respond/accept the challenge in a manner they deem fit as long as it is not seen as over the top – keep the 10 or 15m distance.
24 Oct 2011, 16:47 pm
@puff(puff)-119:
Lol
Cool !!
24 Oct 2011, 16:49 pm
@grant10(grant10)-56: @grant10(grant10)-80:
Where I lead you will always follow afterwards, unfortunately years later.
At the start of the 2009 S14 season and the subsequent CC season I called Rassie(and all under him plus all the Stormer admin.) a coward for not being able to withstand the dictates of the Stellies moguls time after time after time. Their mere wish becomes Rassie’s command.
Your beloved Stormers has now been converted into Burgerville United.
Even now you do not see the connection between the Stormers, the buffoon ‘Boks and the settlement Saracens(if they still need and will feed(a reward) you when you are 64).
The next predictable progression in the logical equation of this sorry saga is clearly Skunk Burger for ‘Bok captain and that is soon. And you will just mildly continue to moan and groan but ultimately continue to support all their efforts.
24 Oct 2011, 16:50 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-121: speaking of tubs, what bubbly were the all blacks spraying after game? looked like the bottles were either clear or white.
24 Oct 2011, 16:51 pm
@ufo(ufo)-82: How does that work. Now he is there in Japan while WP prepare for the S15. He comes in and all of a sudden JDJ who is training the whole Dec/Jan with the boys needs to stand back because he wanted some extra dough. It’s stuff like this that discourage young players. Same goes for Peter Grant. Let him stay in Japan a fark him and invest in the future but old Province is doing it the other way around. JF is a Judas… JHB people know this already. Too much rugby? Only when their form drops.
24 Oct 2011, 16:51 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-114: Mossie is going to break down, no doubt about that … if I were AC I will convert Koster into a 14. he has it all and is young enough to adapt to the defensive challenges at centre.
24 Oct 2011, 16:52 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-122:
I think the boks should be rocking some Ipi Tombi.
24 Oct 2011, 16:54 pm
@RL(RL)-127: 13.
24 Oct 2011, 16:54 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-128: whose ethinicity/culture is expressed in Ipi Tombi?
24 Oct 2011, 16:55 pm
stew – good observation. I meant M Steyn had no rest time since 2009
24 Oct 2011, 16:57 pm
@ET.(ET.)-124: I am terribly concerned about this endless wp and stormers fark up ET…..I am not sure what to do about it to be honest, except bit ch and moan….but we are bleeding here and losing talent head over foot….it is tragic….absolutely tragic…
24 Oct 2011, 16:58 pm
Sharks are overwhelming favourites to retain the Currie Cup and confirm themselves as the contemporary super power in domestic rugby with 3 trophies in 4 years!
24 Oct 2011, 16:58 pm
@Tuna(Tuna)-126: agree with you 100% mate….farken 100%!!
24 Oct 2011, 17:01 pm
puff – i just hope we can see an extended run of Frans Steyn/Jaque Fourie as our centres. F Steyn completely transformed the Bok backline t the RWC, again!!! Lambie seem smore settled at fullback and i still reckon Morne Steyn has lots to offer the Boks!!
24 Oct 2011, 17:02 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-130:
easy pal.
I can dance to it in my living room.
It looks impressive.
hell it’s probably some mannifestation of neo- colonialism and culturual imperialism, full of steretypical condescension.
bleddy arch racists.
24 Oct 2011, 17:03 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-121:
Are you being so predictably and typically opportunistic again?
Did you not 10 days or so ago claim you were not interested in this Currie Cup season?
How did you enjoy your coward’s run to France these last few days?
Can you say you are seven for seven (and in heaven) in 2011 RWC KOs?
You got the Final wrong, one semi-final wrong, some quarter finals wrong yet you dare to call this code of sport “Heaven’s Game”?
24 Oct 2011, 17:04 pm
I recon we design a culturally diverse and inclusive ritual that incorporates all that is culturally rich and diverse about SA.
We start off with a Zulu Stick fighting dance, then move onto a more traditional “Lang Arm”, perhaps a “topless “virgin” parade and end off by pilfering the gold and silverwear in the front 2 rows, in honour of our great leaders….
Stone throwing optional. Toyi Toyi compulsory,
24 Oct 2011, 17:05 pm
….WP are and always will be the best in the world at ******** themselves.
Anyway, I think Spies will have a ripper of a season next year, all these new backrowers coming through at the bulls could well be the kick up the arse he needs.
24 Oct 2011, 17:06 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-125:
speaking of which, did you notice how weirdly reechee drank out of our bladdy cup?
he drinks with his tongue sticking quite far out of his mouth.
24 Oct 2011, 17:06 pm
@grant10(grant10)-80: commiserations to your team at the weekend, they tried their best but the Lions were really up for it. Who you picking for the final?
24 Oct 2011, 17:07 pm
@grant10(grant10)-132:
AC and Rassie’s eyes/focus/ambitions elsewhere…
24 Oct 2011, 17:08 pm
@grant10(grant10)-134: If Gumede did not pull out of the Lions deal JDJ would have been lost to Province. The thing is JDJ is looking at his options and he is on the radar. Look I’m no Province fan but this bs got to stop. Same with the Sharks with the Ross Cronje boy. Get a froggie from overseas rather than let this kid develop into something. Even Baas Staaldraad sang his praises but no let’s get JLP rather and a frog. Laughable….. like Spinnekop said this morning in another thread. That Hoskins is a softie because he allows this ****.
24 Oct 2011, 17:09 pm
puff – do you reckon AC & Rassie will both get the Bok job, similar to the kiwi coaches(3)?
24 Oct 2011, 17:09 pm
I would love to see the following bok line in action soon…..
15 Taute
11 MVOVO
13 JDJ
12 F STEYN
14 JPP
10 ELTON JANTJES
9 HOUGAARD
24 Oct 2011, 17:09 pm
Scratch that!
Rassie, Allister: We’re not available
Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:19
No thanks: We don’t want Divvy’s job. (c) Gallo
The Western Province duo of Rassie Erasmus and Allister Coetzee have declared themselves unavailable for the Springbok coaching job and have no interest in the position at this time.
Erasmus and Coetzee were widely regarded as the frontrunners to take over from Peter de Villiers and become a new coaching team at the helm of the South African side.
Erasmus has been with the team as the technical advisor during the World Cup, but has stated that he only intended to stay with the side for the duration of the tournament and will continue to work as Western Province’s Director of Rugby.
Coetzee – who had a four-year stint with the Boks as one of Jake White’s assistant coaches – has indicated that he has another year to run on his contract with Western Province, which he intends to honour. Therefore, he has made it known that he is unavailable for the job.
24 Oct 2011, 17:10 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-139:
I have been hearing that for 4 years now, has he ever had a “ripper” of a season ???
24 Oct 2011, 17:10 pm
@grant10(grant10)-132:
wow!
you are such a drama queen.
24 Oct 2011, 17:11 pm
Guess it’s up to Muir and Gold to fight it out.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Crying in my soup.
24 Oct 2011, 17:12 pm
@puff(puff)-146: have they caught wind it’s been given to someone else? very surprising development.
24 Oct 2011, 17:12 pm
puff – Oh dear poo. If i was SARU i would be get kruiping Mallet right now and convincing him that the Bok job is hte best thing sin the world for him rather than 6 month break. I hope they dont keep PDIVVY for a while longer!! Why not offer the job to Eddie Jones, he knows the Boks rahter well!!
24 Oct 2011, 17:12 pm
The next Springbok coach… Chester Williams!
Give me a rope so I can hang myself…
24 Oct 2011, 17:12 pm
@puff(puff)-146: Who’s next in line? Phil Pretorius/Hugh Reese Edwards?
24 Oct 2011, 17:13 pm
puff – Gat kruiping, too long in pongo land!!
24 Oct 2011, 17:13 pm
@puff(puff)-146:
Well I have been saying all along that people have been having a go at him without anybody asking him if he wanted the job !!!
24 Oct 2011, 17:13 pm
I am hoping that the options do entail the likes of Mitchell, Jones and Mallet.
But I do fear they are more along the lines of Muir, Gold, Williams and Treu.
24 Oct 2011, 17:14 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-141: wp were never gonna win without a fetcher…..I called leeus by 8 !
Lions will need to stand up in tight 5…..if they do there backs will take sharks…..there backs are so incisive and playing a great brand….but it starts up front and sharks will want to dominate set phases….
clos….but home and altitude and Mitchell and Elton ??
Lions by 6
24 Oct 2011, 17:14 pm
Williams says thanks but no thanks… step in Loffie Eloff!
Ai ai ai ai!
24 Oct 2011, 17:14 pm
puff – Some lean years on the horizon for the Boks!! Shame White took up Brumbies he may have come back again!! What about Alan Solomons, Mallets understudy?
24 Oct 2011, 17:15 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-138:
on a serious note though, i do think there’s some merit in perhaps having a few zulu warriors come on during the haka and then maybe throw their spears into the ground in front of the ab’s as a ‘return of serve’.
the ab’s would/could even be permitted to accept the challenge put to them by graciously taking possesion of the spears thrown which could also serve as a memento for them to keep.
24 Oct 2011, 17:15 pm
@puff(puff)-119:
ok…I have come around to the Smith at 4 idea…..reluctantly so but can see it also elongating his career thus he can also be skipper of Boks.
Eish still fond of him at 6 but if it must be…he certainly has the size and skills to do it
24 Oct 2011, 17:15 pm
@grant10(grant10)-157: you think Sharks can do it with Keegan not being a “fetcher”, can he stand up to minnie?
24 Oct 2011, 17:16 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-159:
Committed to the Kings.
24 Oct 2011, 17:16 pm
@puff(puff)-142: may be best if they both get bok spots….put wp back in more capable hands
24 Oct 2011, 17:17 pm
mshiniwami – Interesting idea Smith/Bekker. Personally on RWC form i would go for Alberts/Bekker, Willem Alberts did very well at the RWC!!
24 Oct 2011, 17:17 pm
Rod Macqueen did not quit as Rebels coach for nothing.
24 Oct 2011, 17:17 pm
puff – Alan Solomons is the kings coach?
24 Oct 2011, 17:18 pm
mshiniwami – Re Willem Alberts di dwell at loack the few times he played there!!
24 Oct 2011, 17:18 pm
@puff(puff)-152:
even ac, if he gets the job i will honest to gott stop supporting the springboks.
and i will write to saru explaining my reasons why.
we are at a crossroads.
24 Oct 2011, 17:19 pm
@puff(puff)-146: mitchell …please G od let it be Mitchell
24 Oct 2011, 17:19 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-161:
Welcome!
I couldn’t believe it when I arrived at the realisation either.
24 Oct 2011, 17:19 pm
@grant10(grant10)-157: yeah they will be up for it again and home advantage will be important but Sharks will test their forward pack and see if they have the steel behind the flair.
Your Bok backline is good but as a wildcard maybe they should look at Riaan Viljoen at full-back, Frans Steyn showed the value of a huge boot v Wales, he virtually won SA that game with his mammoth clearances.
24 Oct 2011, 17:19 pm
@grant10(grant10)-145:
Only problem with that backline is no obvious combinations, maybe Lambie ahead of Taute, at least then you have a Sharks back 3 , all playing decent rugger at the moment !!
Hougaard and Jantjies could take a while to settle ?
But given time it could gel into a decent backline !!
24 Oct 2011, 17:20 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-160: why throw them into the ground when they can launch them across the halfway line?
24 Oct 2011, 17:21 pm
@grant10(grant10)-145: No Lambie? You fcked in your senile head, kn.obber.
24 Oct 2011, 17:21 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-165:
It is what I’m advocating.
4. Smith
5. Bekker
6. Brussow
7. Burger
8. Alberts
24 Oct 2011, 17:21 pm
Big Hit – Who do you think will get the England coaching job? Woodward return possibly!!
24 Oct 2011, 17:21 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-167:
Yes.
24 Oct 2011, 17:22 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-122:
agree with you… that’s just how i see it…
24 Oct 2011, 17:22 pm
@grant10(grant10)-132:
This is what the big money in big sports has done to reduce you and millions more to mere helpless but ineffective and certainly taken-for-granted supporters.
You can take back your control of self by withdrawing at least financial support and being brutally truthful to all about the facts of this demise. There are tens of thousands disgruntled people just in Cape Town.
The game will always be there to be followed and appreciably enjoyed without being a mere jersey colour follower.
This past RWC was the best for me ever and I have no jersey colour prefereence other than the truth. Next RWC I see the Aussies or Frenchies(they deserve one) or again the ABs in that order leading the charge.
Just be truthful as that is what got me my seven for seven and much enjoyment in this last tournamment.
The blue and white hooped, non-professional W.P. u/19s and u/20s will always be value for money and give you enjoyment and even much more success than disappointments. Thereafter concentrate on individuals. That explains why I can appreciate a Jean De Villiers more than a Skunk Burger.
24 Oct 2011, 17:23 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-168: @race of tan(race of tan)-165:
While Willem can fill in at lock,he is PRIMED to be a sledgehammer 7 or 8 now.Its his time there. Plus he is only 1.92m and not as good as Juan Smith in the air. Smith stands at 1.96 I think and is the best jumping 6 on the planet.
24 Oct 2011, 17:23 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-177: Snake wants that job. He will leave the Brumbies in a heartbeat.
24 Oct 2011, 17:23 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-162: minnie will moer him 6 love…..but Bissy is a bas tard at the breakdown….bissy is key imo…..if lions negate him and stand vas in the scrums leeus will win….
24 Oct 2011, 17:23 pm
puff – MY idea was :-
4. Alberts
5. Bekker
6. Brussow
7. Burger
8. Smith
Either way is just a strong. THenk the good Lord the Boks have no problems in the forward department it is our backs that need a miracle!!
24 Oct 2011, 17:23 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-177:
Mallet!
24 Oct 2011, 17:23 pm
Tuna – Thank goodness for that. White built a squad that lasted for 8 years, what a man!!
24 Oct 2011, 17:24 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-172: I really enjoy Taute…..strong….quick and decent boot as well….Lambie also a decent 15 option…
24 Oct 2011, 17:24 pm
@puff(puff)-176:
Now that looks like a Bok pack…No passengers….Wow…*tearstomyeyes* Lol
24 Oct 2011, 17:24 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-181:
Zigactly!
24 Oct 2011, 17:25 pm
Puff – There must be goings on that we don’t know about. Oh well if England get/have Mallet they will be in good hands!!
24 Oct 2011, 17:25 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-173: yes….would need a decent backline coach to get the best out of them as well…..combos will take a while
24 Oct 2011, 17:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-175: lol
senile knobber?
Farkoff man….you bloody prat!
24 Oct 2011, 17:27 pm
@puff(puff)-176:
Next generation
4. Elstadt
5. Etzebeth
6. Carr
7. Kolisi
8. Botha
24 Oct 2011, 17:28 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-136: no reason to backtrack/be defensive, i’m just asking a simple question
24 Oct 2011, 17:28 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-174:
i’d be all for it except for the stupid irb rule stipulation saying we can do anything we like on our side of the halfway line as long as we dont cross over into their half
24 Oct 2011, 17:28 pm
@grant10(grant10)-187: Lambie is a solid 15, had some really sound games in the WC but imo you get the best of him if he is up in the line at 10 or 12
@race of tan(race of tan)-177: Woodward wants the elite director position, if the press are to be believed should Johnno be replaced the head coaching position is between mallet and mallinder.
24 Oct 2011, 17:28 pm
@grant10(grant10)-187:
Taute just needs to improve his decision making, but he is very young, he will learn, Rassie should sign him !!
24 Oct 2011, 17:29 pm
@ET.(ET.)-180: interesting point about the u 21 s and 19s….Justrugby and I have often said we enjoy the curtain raisers more than the bloody prima donnas!
24 Oct 2011, 17:29 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-188:
This is my thinking for 2012 first-choice 15:
1. Steenkamp 2. B. Du Plessis 3. J. Du Plessis 4. Smith 5. Bekker 6. Brussow 7. Burger 8. Alberts 9. Hougaard 10. Goosen 11. Pieterson 12. F. Steyn 13. Fourie 14. Aplon 15. Lambie
24 Oct 2011, 17:29 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-120: Sounds relaxing, unfortunately the bad timing, need to stay aggressive for a while longer
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-138: and end it with a traditional braai on the field 
24 Oct 2011, 17:31 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-196: Jantjes is my 10 choice going forward….Lambie a better option than the wally M Steyn imo….but Jantjes is just very special …..@grant10(grant10)-198: Taute a farken decent player….agree about the decision making…..he is still a bit raw….but the power and speed is there for all to see…..
24 Oct 2011, 17:32 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-193:
Some great talent coming through.
I’d have Elstadt as back-up 4 to Smith pretty much immediately.
Looking forward to seeing Coenie Oosthuyzen with the Boks too.
And Johann Goosen could rule the rugby world for years to come.
24 Oct 2011, 17:32 pm
@grant10(grant10)-201:
Goosen. Without. A. Doubt.
24 Oct 2011, 17:32 pm
@puff(puff)-199: J Goosen over Jantjes?
Why??
24 Oct 2011, 17:33 pm
puff – Very good team. Are the Boks going on an EOYT this year?
24 Oct 2011, 17:35 pm
136
” mannifestation ”
Despite that notion, attempted to be made, being ridiculously laughable(you should limit yourself to your typical and silly sexual comparisons) that word and the one below is not found in my Oxford or Websters.
138
” recon “
24 Oct 2011, 17:37 pm
Mallet – no
Henyke – no
Mitchell – no
AC – no
Rassie -no
Stage set for Plum ??
24 Oct 2011, 17:37 pm
Rugby’s credibility is suffering
October 24, 2011
Posted by Morné
Respected sport scientist and long standing friend of RuggaWorld, Dr. Ross Tucker, offers his views on the Rugby World Cup and specifically referees and how their performance is damaging the game’s credibility.
A very good read, but long…..
24 Oct 2011, 17:37 pm
@puff(puff)-199:
1. Steenkamp 2. B. Du Plessis 3. J. Du Plessis 4. Smith 5. Bekker 6. Brussow 7. Burger 8. Alberts 9. Hougaard 10. Lambie 11. Pieterson 12. F. Steyn 13. Fourie 14. Mvovo 15. Aplon
16.Rallapelle 17.Oosthuizen 18.Deysel 19.Johnson 20.S.Pretorius 21.Goosen/Jantjes 22.De Jongh
Easy with the Goosen kid,plenty of talent but showed on weekend he is fallible & a bit susceptible to injury(always off after 60min grimacing)…Lets groom him,also has to usurp Jantjes still who showed lots of poise in semi,,,(7 out 7 does hurt neither)
24 Oct 2011, 17:38 pm
@grant10(grant10)-201: so far (in super rugby) jantjes has looked talented but inconsistent. Eddie Jones is one of the few who has actually said he wants the Bok job, your thoughts?
24 Oct 2011, 17:41 pm
@grant10(grant10)-198:
As you should know enjoyment is always related cogently to winning. Don’t torture yourself with the S15 and the internationals you limit yourself to.
The flow of my wisdom will stop sometime, so use it while you can.
24 Oct 2011, 17:41 pm
Big Hit – Eddie Jones would be very welcomed by the entire coumtry, the players liked him alot!! He would definitely be my first choice ovemost barring Mallet!!
24 Oct 2011, 17:42 pm
mshiniwami – Lambie looked very comfotable at fullback. I never knew why P Grant never got a decent chance at flyhalf, i guess we will never know now!!
24 Oct 2011, 17:44 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-200: How could i forget the braai?
Silly me.
24 Oct 2011, 17:44 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-207: plum the dark horse….
all 36 year olds back in vogue….
fark me….
24 Oct 2011, 17:48 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-210: rather Eddie than AC….Rassie …any day of the week….
My wish list in order of preference……
Mitchell….
mallet
B Venter /
H Meyer
Eddie Jones….
In fact possibly Eddie ahead of H Meyer……the thought of a 1 dimensional skop en jag artist in M Steyn and Spies being punted by Meyer is hard to take…..
I would love to interview the guys and ask a few pertinent questions as well….
someone like B Venter has rattled me a bit with some of his comments….
24 Oct 2011, 17:50 pm
@ET.(ET.)-206: Aren’t you surprised that I could spell “toyi toyi”?
I recon you never saw that one coming…..
24 Oct 2011, 17:50 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-209: agreed re goosen….i have not seen enough of him to comment….but damn Jantjes has been bloody awesome…
24 Oct 2011, 17:51 pm
@grant10(grant10)-215: You think AC is serious when he said that he’s not interrested?
i guess we are stuck with PDV then…..
24 Oct 2011, 17:54 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-219: PDV!
eina boet……the mere thought of that spineless jelly fish farking up our rugby for even a second more is enough to drive me to baseball or korfbal….even farken jukskei….
24 Oct 2011, 17:56 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-219: I am farken hoping Rassie and AC will not only not get bok job…..but will also be shown the door by wp and stormers as well….
I have no idea what is potting at wp now….but this shadow deal tipped me over the edge I tell you!
24 Oct 2011, 17:56 pm
the Boks must get Wayne Smith out of his contract to be Chiefs backline steward a give him the job!
24 Oct 2011, 18:00 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-213:
He moved to Flyhalf in the 30 min for Sharks and looks very comfortable there 2.Plus he is dead on at Test level.hardly flustered
24 Oct 2011, 18:00 pm
@grant10(grant10)-221:
You’ve been teetering for quite a while, Grant.
24 Oct 2011, 18:02 pm
mshiniwami – Oh yeah. Lambie is almost in the same mould as F Steyn, big game BMT!! I think SA has got enuff talent coming through, who is going to be coach biggest worry. Personally i would prefer Eddie Jones out of all!!
24 Oct 2011, 18:02 pm
@grant10(grant10)-220: Rumour has it he’s spoken to John about the forward coaching position……
And by John I don’t mean Mitchell…..
24 Oct 2011, 18:03 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-222: I could live with that as well….
24 Oct 2011, 18:04 pm
stormer boy – You mean barney could the Bok forwards coach!! What a depressing Monday this is!! Learn from England’s mitakes, Johnson great player/captian rubbish coach or no experience atleast!!
24 Oct 2011, 18:05 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-226: dont do that bud….
i am eating and have a sharp knife close at hand…
I may just cut my wrists!
Wahat is the deal with Willem Alberts?
Or cant you say?
24 Oct 2011, 18:06 pm
@David(David)-224: my man…what a kak weekend…
Man U take 6……at home!
France lose by 1
wp get manhandled…..
thanks heavens the proteas won…
24 Oct 2011, 18:08 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-228: if barney gets close to bok team I sware I will never support boks again….fark that…pdv and plod the biggest con jobs of all time….bloody useless wallys of the highest order…..
24 Oct 2011, 18:10 pm
@grant10(grant10)-229: Yeah sorry. Didn’t mean to spoil your supper. I for one have just finished grilling a fresh snoek basted with garlic butter and apricot jam.
Another K uk day in Africa.
I was just kidding on the John front.
Someone who is quite well connected told me about Willem, but it’s not something I can substantiate at all, I don’t have it from any of my regular sources.
I’d go for a fetcher, The one guy who might actually move as he’s been sidelined of late is Jaques Botes. He’s one of the top 5 fetchers in SA and is struggling for a 1st team game, i think he’d fit in really well here.
i’d go for him personally.
And a good prop too, possibly another hitman no 4 lock.
That should take care of it.
Wouldn’t have signed Shadow if it were up to me…….
24 Oct 2011, 18:10 pm
I am surprised people are still surprised by stories like this from WP rugby…
And yet – when the **** hits the fan and WP loses yet another semi-final we continue to look to the coach (only).
24 Oct 2011, 18:10 pm
mitchell …mallet…eddie….
At a push Heyneke…..or brendon venter….
Asseblief no fat boys or 3 stooges allowed anywhere within 100 miles of team bus….
over and out
outta here
24 Oct 2011, 18:11 pm
@grant10(grant10)-230: As a long standing Liverpool supporter i will admit to enjoying that drubbing……
24 Oct 2011, 18:11 pm
@grant10(grant10)-234: You need to do something about your blood presure dude.
24 Oct 2011, 18:12 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-235: Me too
24 Oct 2011, 18:12 pm
The name of Rassie and ‘Bok coach’ should never be mentioned in the same sentence. Ever.
24 Oct 2011, 18:12 pm
@grant10(grant10)-230:
Norwich held Liverpool away, though. So it wasn’t so bad for me. As for the RWC, I’m glad the ABs won, as they deserved it, although every now and again I must admit to admiring the underdogs and wouldn’t have been unhappy if they’d taken it.
24 Oct 2011, 18:12 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-233: wp are a disgrace PA…seriously it is an example of how not tio run a Union….farken players sommer ruling the roost….no man…this must stop…
24 Oct 2011, 18:13 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-238: good on you mate….he is a bloody fool!
24 Oct 2011, 18:15 pm
@David(David)-239: i BLED THE WHOLE DAMN WEEKEND …..JUST GLAD cHELSEA GOT BEAT….AND JA, THE pOOL DRAW HELPED AS WELL….AND SPURS WINNING AWAY [ MY 2 ND TEAM ] ALSO ALLEVIATED THE PAIN….A SMALL BIT THAT IS…
Fark sorry caps
24 Oct 2011, 18:31 pm
Shadow might not be such a bad signing. He was probably cheaper than what Engelbrecht is costing the Bulls, and having wing that can play 15, in todays game, is quite an advantage. He would be a far more attacking option than Conrad is currently. Besides, if Riaan Viljoen is headed for Durban, who I believe was Rassies first choice, there wasn’t much left to choose from.
24 Oct 2011, 18:36 pm
@David(David)-243: i would have gone after Daniller at 15. Good solid player, great in the air, huge boot.
Shadow’s ok, but hardly a marquee signing, but probably didn’t cost marquee prices…..
24 Oct 2011, 18:41 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-238: who would be your top picks for Bok coach?
24 Oct 2011, 18:42 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-244:
WP has made worse signings in the past.
Shadow has a lot of potential but still a rough diamond. What I am concerned about is not the player, but the expertise in WP Rugby to help him reach his potential.
24 Oct 2011, 18:43 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-245:
If we could pick anyone? Or knowing SA Rugby will only pick an SA born coach?
24 Oct 2011, 18:43 pm
Jaco Taute reminds me of Chris Latham.
I think its the sock vibe.
24 Oct 2011, 18:44 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-244:
Considering his attributes, Daniller has been a big disappointment for me. A man of his size at 15 should be far more destructive joining the line, than he’s shown the appetite for.
24 Oct 2011, 18:45 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-247: my money is on Loffie to get it.
24 Oct 2011, 18:48 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-244:
Yes, I think we tend to forget wage budgets when we lose youngsters to other provinces. I’m pretty sure that WP has allowed Jaques his stint in Japan as a financial compromise to him leaving for more money elsewhere.
24 Oct 2011, 18:49 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-247: anyone of your chosing, SA or not…
24 Oct 2011, 18:52 pm
@David(David)-251: Maybe, as Morne (Pissant) said, his contract expirea at the end of this year so this may be part of the renegotiation concession.
24 Oct 2011, 18:59 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-245: @PissAnt(PissAnt)-247:
Actually forget that.
I have been playing with the idea of changing our approach in this matter altogether.
I still firmly believe we need a Director of Coaching in SA Rugby looking after all national teams (U/19, U/20, Emerging Boks and Boks) as well as being the national co-ordinator between Super Rugby coaches.
His role will not be hands on so much, but ensuring the Bok coach gets as much support as possible from all feeding structures. And there is only one man in my view for this job.
Secondly, appoint a ‘coach’ or ‘manager’ for the Bok team. He can still be the main cookie in the jar but it has to be an individual with experience (obviously) but more importantly implementing a structure, game plan, style of play (call it whatever you want) so his management of players, skills in taking something from a whiteboard (and panel of consultants) and implement it practically in a live environment, and management of the media also being crucial.
But perhaps it is time to break away from the traditional ‘assistant coach’ mould.
Why not identify a panel of experts you require in the modern game (forwards expert, backline expert, defense expert, attacking expert, kicking coach, mental coach, skills coach, contact coach, fitness coach, etc) and then employ them as consultants only (no permanent contracts).
You then have the DOR and Bok head coach (manager) running the show on permanent contracts and then simply pull in experts on a consultancy basis?
Any ‘coach’ in the world under permanent contract with any other team can easily, with permission, consult with the Boks for short periods in their off-season.
It will keep ideas fresh, trends fresh, players challenged with new ideas all the time and get rid of damn routines and a sameness we so easily (and constantly) fall into and cannot get ourselves out of.
DOR and head coach (manager) are still held accountable for those they pull in and results achieved – but it is a whole different approach which the more I think about, the more I like.
Still need to get over my own pre-conceived criticism of such an approach though, but that’s just it – I think we should challenge ourselves more and think outside of the box – or think like there is no box…
24 Oct 2011, 19:02 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-253:
That was indeed the case.
Jaque (or his agents) negotiated a killer deal for him – best of both worlds.
24 Oct 2011, 19:03 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-254: Ok so it’s Heynecke for the DOR post, but then who for the “coaching’ position?
24 Oct 2011, 19:04 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-255: Good for them I guess……
24 Oct 2011, 19:15 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-254:
This something we’ve discussed over the years here and both of us realise that the DOR or DRC would be fighting a losing battle against the franchises. Although technically, SARU own the SA S15 Conference rights and has to approve the appointment of franchise coaches and ensure that the top 150 players are involved, the reality is that they’ve allowed the franchises to operate independent of SARU influence.
24 Oct 2011, 19:21 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-254: one question with the consultants… what happens if say you have your forwards coach who’s been working well with the guys, but suddenly he becomes unavailable for whatever reason (being without a contact, this is likely to occur at some stage), then you need bring a new coach in… would you not lose some of that continuity… would this not be a problem?
24 Oct 2011, 19:37 pm
We have the best talent available in this country. Our coaches are unfortunately very limited and like someone mentioned earlier, players are calling the shots. The Lions had that problem for years and as soon as Mitchell took over, the jano’s and co did not like this. JF is overrated and greedy and his integrity sucks. We need players in the Bok team that will die for that jersey again, JF is not one of them. Cheers Mossie, jy het jou naam weer met ‘n plank geslaan.
24 Oct 2011, 19:42 pm
@Loyal Lion(Loyal Lion)-260:
What Mitchel seems to have done is to develop a squad where nobody is sancrosanct. All the players are competing for their positions and need to prove themselves every game. The Boks under Jake and PdeV only had their senior players and reserves.
24 Oct 2011, 19:48 pm
@David(David)-261: That is very true. Mitchell has dropped jantjies, Francis and Jame when their form was lacking. Doppies even.
Loose forwards too,
That is a very strong positive about his management this year. It seems to have done the trick too!
24 Oct 2011, 19:51 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell(fantasticbarnsmell)-259:
Whatever knowledge, structures or ideas any consultant brings in won’t be lost once he leaves.
If the management (coach, DOR at the time) believes he should be involved on a more permanent basis for whatever reason – then make the guy an offer.
The thing about a consultant based approach is you never get stuck in a specific way of thinking or doing things – rugby is such a dynamic game which evolves on a weekly – forget yearly basis!
It is a case (for me) of keeping what works, forgetting what doesn’t without the fear of pissing off personalities or ego’s while doing it.
It will put a whole lot of responsibility on one or two people but in my view we already have that (coaches are first in the firing line when **** goes wrong).
But as David said above – the general idea is not new, some have been asking for this type of approach for years but this comes down to the fact of whether SA Rugby has the balls (or know-how) to do this – especially on the DOR front.
24 Oct 2011, 19:52 pm
@David(David)-261:
BTW, I’m not advocating a Strauli approach, but a squad of at least 30 players of equal, although different ability, who are competing against each other. The ABs only had two players who were guaranteed of starting and I cannot believe that the provinces and the Boks only have 15 standout players who are automatic choices.
24 Oct 2011, 20:06 pm
@David(David)-258:
And we keep on raising the same argument David and every year our argument is justified.
We need, as a country, start pulling in the same direction when it comes to rugby.
24 Oct 2011, 20:15 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-265:
I know, and that’s the frustrating part, isn’t it?
24 Oct 2011, 20:22 pm
@David(David)-266:
Indeed.
Where individuals are trying to work around problems you can solve we should be working around actual or real problems.
Problems in SA rugby should never be a problem to start with.
24 Oct 2011, 20:24 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-265:
Did you read that BBC article I posted here earlier? It shows what we’re up against.
24 Oct 2011, 20:33 pm
i see Joe Pietersen still in negotiations with wp….makes the shadow signing even more baffling~
24 Oct 2011, 20:45 pm
@grant10(grant10)-269: Much better player than V/D Heever. Really hope they can do the deal!
24 Oct 2011, 20:58 pm
@grant10(grant10)-269:
Not really, depth is vital in the S15, and a backup kicker even more so.
However, like you, I’d like to see some more strengthening of the pack. I doubt whether Rassie is blind to the weaknesses, but he knows better than us, who is available to solve the problem.
24 Oct 2011, 21:08 pm
@grant10(grant10)-269: @David(David)-271: I have no doubt that we will get news of some fatties being signed once the deals are concluded.
As you say, I’m sure he knows that we need a boost there….
24 Oct 2011, 22:30 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-1: Professional.
24 Oct 2011, 22:39 pm
The Stormers / WP have lost so many players who currently still play rugby over the last few years:
15 Joe Pietersen
14 Sireli Nquelevuki
13 Johaan Sadie
12 Gcobani Bobo
11 Tonderai Chavhanga
10 Brent Russell
9 Francois Hougaard
8 Robbie Diack
7 Francois Louw
6 Luke Watson
5 Francois Van Den Merwe
4 Ross Skeate
3 Brian Mujati
2 Schalk Brits
1 CJ Van Der Linde
JJ Engelbrecht
Lionel Cronje
Bolla Conradie
Sireli Nquelevuki
Justin Melck
JD Moller
Tony Brown
Naas Olivier
Gerrie Britz
24 Oct 2011, 23:44 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-9:
deluded and denuded
good player, no more; vastly overrated.
24 Oct 2011, 23:47 pm
@stew(stew)-48:
considerably so, intentionally.
the Rule is an @ss but it is there for a reason why its there (to stop potential physical clashes) and the French knew this and this is WHy they did it, ie to provoke.
They knew they would get a Fine. Move on already.
25 Oct 2011, 07:25 am
@AVID FAN(AVID FAN)-13:
id go wuth that backline of urs for sure but lambie at 15 and goosen at 10, every team willl k a k themselves knowing we got 2 blokes who can knock that ball from 60m
25 Oct 2011, 10:47 am
@grant10(grant10)-240:
“farken players sommer ruling the roost”. You might as well be talking about the All Blacks too then!
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