A point that made a point
24 Oct 2011
MARK KEOHANE, in his weekly Business Day newspaper column, applauds New Zealand’s defensive effort in the World Cup final.
France earned the respect of all New Zealanders and the All Blacks surely earned the respect of the rugby world.
You cannot begrudge the All Blacks their moment, and you also cannot deny captain Richie McCaw his finest 80 minutes as an international player. He is finally a world champion.
France captain Thierry Dusautoir was the player of the match but it was the player of the past decade (McCaw) who got gold on the night.
Some may say the rugby gods have a heart, especially if you remember McCaw’s night — and face — at the 2007 World Cup in Cardiff four years ago when France beat the All Blacks 20-18.
McCaw and the All Blacks deserved the win. Not just because of their defensive effort on the night, but because of what they have dealt with at this tournament — expectation, pressure and injury setbacks.
Home-ground advantage is big in any tournament but in World Cups it has been a curse. New Zealand are the first host nation to win the World Cup in the professional era and they did it with their fourth choice at flyhalf, Stephen Donald, for the final 45 minutes.
They did it without Dan Carter and they did it with McCaw playing the entire tournament with a foot injury that will require surgery.
It is easy to forget the obstacles New Zealand had to overcome because of France’s effort but it would be doing the defensive quality of this final a disservice.
France had offered nothing at this tournament. They had been awful and had been beaten twice in the league stages. They were told they were a disgrace to the romance of French rugby and the World Cup heroics of their predecessors. But they are France and with the French you never know who gets out of bed, let alone who pitches up to play a game of rugby.
They are also players who believe the only rugby experience better than playing the All Blacks is beating them. I can’t applaud their effort enough. Then again neither can I that of the All Blacks.
France’s intensity spooked the All Blacks four years ago, but this time New Zealand were prepared for the physicality of France, and to a man they backed their defensive system and backed the bloke on the inside and the outside to make his tackle. This is a team that trusted in each other as much as each guy did himself.
France were monstrous in the collisions. Dusautoir played the game of his life. France played more intelligently than they have all tournament, and like a team with a plan.
France played from set piece to set piece, limited idiotic decision-making in their own half and played like a team with the belief that they could strangle New Zealand up front and outkick them.
This was raw passion from France. They played for their honour, their dignity and the right to be World Cup champions, but they never had the attacking threat to match either the power of their pack or the intent of their minds. It has been their Achilles heel all tournament.
The All Blacks in the professional era have always been accused of not respecting winning ugly. They did that at Eden Park and their defensive effort was monumental.
France will get many accolades because they defied the belief that the All Blacks would win easily, but if the adage is true that World Cups are won on defence, then New Zealand are deserved winners.
There were heroes on both sides and thankfully no villains, even though All Black Piri Weepu would probably have had to emigrate if France had been the champions.
Weepu missed two penalties, a conversion and kick-started France’s solitary try with a chip kick that landed in a French hand and ended in seven points for France.
He also suffered at the base of the scrum because of the French effort, more than the New Zealand lack of effort, but when the battered All Black forwards had to produce their biggest effort of the last four years they did so in the last four minutes of the World Cup final. They kept the ball for three minutes, forced the penalty and won the game that for the people of New Zealand was so much more than a rugby result.
And it was as if the rugby gods were reminding all of New Zealand about humility. New Zealand would win it by a point to make a point.
Crushing the French would have resulted in New Zealand arrogance and perhaps another 24-year wait for the gold cup.
But to be in Auckland last night was to know there was nothing blasé about this New Zealand celebration.
There was just relief and recognition that attack wins you the Tri-Nations but defence wins you the World Cup.
464 Comments
24 Oct 2011, 10:07 am
Grit all right.
24 Oct 2011, 10:12 am
I thought the All Blacks needed alot of luck on Sunday as France played better than they did. Rougeie woser, Sonny Bill Who?, Smith who? , Nonu who? Rougerie annihialated those little boys on Sunday!!!
Even the commentators were saying allt he 50/50 decisions went to the ABs. They will never defend their title in 4 years time!!
24 Oct 2011, 10:32 am
Congrats to the Blacks.
Certainly not the convincing win most expected and some have even said downright lucky but it has to be said they deserve being crowned world champs officially.
I thought Joubert was lenient to both sides but definitely favoured Ritchies men.
Dusatior is fast becoming one of my all time favourite players. Immense respect.
24 Oct 2011, 10:38 am
Congrats to the All Black!!! But i am so glad that the French played like they did in the final. The best team of the tournament and world champs might be the All Black. But the best team on the day was the french…
24 Oct 2011, 10:40 am
Joubert had the worst game of the tournament….he missed so much in the first half…and to top that off the AB’s played their worst game in the Cup..and we still managed to pull it off…so happy we won:)
I don’t think AB’s will worry now and we could see them win all their games next year without all that pressure anymore..
24 Oct 2011, 10:42 am
I still cant bring myself to watch the replay.Nerves are shattered,and every time i closed my eyes last night there where 15 Frenchmen lining up for a drop goal!Bring on the men in white jackets,i need a rest in a nice soft padded cell.
24 Oct 2011, 10:43 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-2:
some of those were nowhere near 50/50 decisions.
that one lineout that actually landed about 3 or more meters inside the all blacks line and never got blown.
lots of 70/30 and 90/10 decisions.
24 Oct 2011, 10:44 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-2:
You’re an idiot, show some f**kin respect man
24 Oct 2011, 10:52 am
@ litelock, get back on the horse and watch the replay…. Actually it calmed my nerves, as on a second viewing I thought the abs were more in control (or at least, less out if control) than I had thought when at the game.
24 Oct 2011, 10:52 am
True grit, my butt. Craig Joubert showed true shamelesness, and that was the sole reason why the All Blacks won. They were outplayed. They had one try that came from a line-out inside France’s 22m that came from a bogus penalty. And they had three points from another bogus penalty. France had 7 legitimate points from a converted try., and should have had a truckload more penalties from McCaw’s constant transgressions at the breakdown. This tournament was gift-wrapped for the All Blacks and handed to them on a platter. Being the best team in the early stages of the tournament, or for the last four years or 24 years or whatever, does NOT entitle you to a gift win in a World Cup Final. The IRB makes me sick, Craig Joubert makes me sick, and the All Blacks – well, if they’re honest with themselves, they should know that their win was and remains badly tainted.
24 Oct 2011, 10:53 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-7: You need to go back and watch the first half…there was one part where the french player played the ball on the ground in an offside position and it was obvious as daylight…and Joubert missed it .. he missed a lot on both sides but hey that’s life.
really in the end if Weepu hadn’t of missed so much…and our players hadn’t made some bad passes you most likely wouldn’t have even got a try our defense was so good…
24 Oct 2011, 10:57 am
@pierre(pierre)-10: Bad luck Pierre..Winners are Grinners..France played really well..but infringed just as much as us if not more..Joubert just had a bad game..hes really the best ref out there…he had a bad day how sad to bad:)
24 Oct 2011, 11:03 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-7: @pierre(pierre)-10:
You phukkers whined about the Ref after the:
- SA/Samoa game.
- SA/Australia game.
And now, the NZ/France game.
How do you pitifull creatures, ever get yourselves motivated to get out of bed in the mornings.
LOSERS!
Oh and I expect more sour grapes when the IRB Awards for Team, Coach and Player are named.
Just can’t help yourselves can you.
24 Oct 2011, 11:11 am
@toby(toby)-12: True, although Craig is a very poor referee, he is one of the best in the world. It’s a general problem – the standard of Test refereeing at the moment just happens to be very bad, and was exposed as such at this tournament. Time to roll out the technology, I think. Give the TMO powers to intervene during the game if he sees something that the on-field referee didn’t, and let the TMO watch the game on a screen with a superimposed white line for application of the offside rule.
24 Oct 2011, 11:14 am
Yeah, congrats to the ABs, glad to see that the French showed up and played with passion. Also so much for great running rugby finals. ****, if both side s are passionate then the games become much tighter.
Glad for Richie, Donald and DC (who I see got his medal as well) …
Great respect for French loosies and midfield who never took a step back.
Finally glad I’m not french supporter, bloody hell talk about inconsistency!
If they can get their act together more consistently then they will be a very difficult to contend with 2015
24 Oct 2011, 11:17 am
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-13:
It is quite sad, isn’t it.
Anyway, congrats on your team winning the World Cup and hosting a great tournament. Really well done.
24 Oct 2011, 11:20 am
@Craven(Craven)-16: Oh yeah, true that, the tournament was superbly run. Very well hosted, cane.
24 Oct 2011, 11:33 am
Was Paddy O’Brien wearing his gold medal last night?
Kiwis dessrved winners but I do think their path to the final was help by some very fortious refereeing and results earlier in the series.
There is no way the Kiwis would have won if they had to play the Argies in the quarters, the Boks in the semis and the Aussies in the final – no way
24 Oct 2011, 11:36 am
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-13: We’re not all like that, congrats on a great win and tournament.
I thought Craig had a good game, of course he missed a few calls but I don’t think there was any bias in the way he blew (unlike Brycie
).
He missed things on both sides but in a game of intesity like that its bound to happen.
One thing that did concern me is the reffing of the high tackle though.
24 Oct 2011, 11:37 am
@Train(Train)-18: Same could be said about any champions run in to the final, would we have won in 2007 if our path had been different – its all speculation.
24 Oct 2011, 11:39 am
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-13:
Cane, congratulations to your team.
Long time overdue.
I hope you’re enjoying the celebrations.
24 Oct 2011, 11:41 am
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-20:
Agreed.
I have seen some South Africans stating New Zealand are not true champions since they did not get to play the Springboks.
But the same could then be said of South Africa’s win in 2007.
Nonsense. The All Blacks are the world champions. Congratulations to them.
24 Oct 2011, 11:42 am
Nice pics of Ritchie on the open-top truck victory parade.
24 Oct 2011, 11:45 am
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-13:
Listen
You kiwis can stop being onbeskof now OK
We have congratulated until we are blue in the face
You not so bad, but your buddies panther and tackler are gonna feel my venom soon.
24 Oct 2011, 11:47 am
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-19: I thought Craig had a bad game, since he did the same thing he always does: heavily favouring the home team. I think Craig is just an overly sensistive fella who blanches at the thought of being booed by the home crowd. Remember his performance at Orlando Stadium in the Super Rugby final last year? How about his subsequent performance at King’s Parl for the Currie Cup final? It’s not overtly awful refereeing such as you would see from a Paul Honiss. It’s just giving the home team a bit more leeway, being slightly stricter on the away team, and thus facilitating the result that is both expected by everyone and desired by the home crowd.
24 Oct 2011, 11:47 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-24:
Hi Dawn,
I see Harry the Beachwalker is still very sour.
24 Oct 2011, 11:48 am
@toby(toby)-11:
the french played the game of their lives, you guys were lucky to hold on from minutes 41 to 75 imo. still feel they deserved more penalties though.
but, you’re the champions of the world right now…well done.
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-13:
i said it right after the game and i’m saying it again cane…
well done to the all blacks, its was gritty and the french really brought it to you but you did just enough to see it through in the end…so are deserved champions.
still, i do feel france had you and they could/should have won it if the ref had the guts to make a few big calls.
enjoy the next four years…
24 Oct 2011, 11:53 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-26:
He will never get over it.
I will be over there in 2015.
With him and Bokkie
24 Oct 2011, 11:53 am
Well Done NZ for hosting and winning a great WC !! You can feel proud ! Deserved World Champs !!!
24 Oct 2011, 11:54 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-27: How is that different from saying that France was robbed by the referee? If you want to tell it like it is, then do so without trying to couch it in empty congratulatory etiquette.
24 Oct 2011, 11:56 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-2:
Thanks Tan.
You said we wont win this RWC as well, things are looking good for 2015.
24 Oct 2011, 12:01 pm
@pierre(pierre)-10:
Suppose you said the same post about the france win in 2007?
We did and were called sore losers. Why should you not be called the same
24 Oct 2011, 12:03 pm
The right team maybe deserved to win on the balance of preformance fpor the tournament but one cannot help feel that the tournament has been scarred by poor reffing.
Joubert had been brilliant all tournament and was head and shoulders above most refs until the final that is. For some reason he did not want a decision he made to decide the world cup thus like Bryce Lawrence it was more the decisions he did not blow that ended up having a profound impact on the game. That is not to say that his assistants could not assist with high tackles, the offside line and one or two off ball incidents. I feel for France because it is not their fault that they were on the receiving end of a bad decision against Wales. France maybe deserved more and some would say that maybe their luck ran out but it is rather sad that here we are discussing a reffing display again when we should be celebrating a great tournament for NZ.
The Blacks clearly choked and at one stage seemed destined to fall short yet again had one or two brave blatant calls been made by the ref most probably would have. Had Weepu kicked his kicks the contest could have been over by half time. Once all said and done maybe the correct team won the world cup. Sadly the best team on the night did not win the game yet again.
In years time all that will be recalled is a Black victory but for me personally this worldcup has been blighted by poor reffing in big games, where as the WC 2007 was only one game and the Blacks should have had a final against the Boks. Though in 2007 I only really recall the Frenck / AB game as really poor reffing even though many English will always point to the try that never was.
Congratualations All Blacks!
24 Oct 2011, 12:07 pm
@pierre(pierre)-25: Actually I don’t think he favoured anyone..he seemed just off in his reffing…it’s easy to have a go at the ref….but it just came down to a better defensive effort…yes France deserved to win too..but unfortunately can only be one winner…next time?
24 Oct 2011, 12:09 pm
@pie eater(pie eater)-33: Cmon there’s no conspiracy..that game could have gone either way.
24 Oct 2011, 12:14 pm
Congrats to the Kiwis – must be a massive relief and they play great rugby. What a massive captain they have in RM (whatever individual opinions are)…
To the French – hard luck. They were by far the better team on the day and can count themselves very unlucky, but it was a very mixed tournament for them… a few players were immense (Dussatoir, Bonnaire, Nallet, Trin Duc, Rougerie, Servat – the whole team really)!
Overall, I’m left with a sour taste in my mouth from this WC – far too many results that weren’t decided by the quality of the teams’ respective performances on the day. Paddy and the refs need to be brought to book on this one!
24 Oct 2011, 12:14 pm
How the hell did Thierry Dusautoir get IRB player of the year…Kaino was miles ahead in my book..must be a conspiracy:)
24 Oct 2011, 12:14 pm
wasn’t rugby gods who had a heart was Craig Joubert who has a soft one that can’t bring himself round to blow the game unblemished of bias or clear cut dispassionately.
If rugby gods were fair they’d have blown the game according to the law and AB’s would have been penalized within strike range at least couple times in last 20.
So nothing to do with rugby gods having hearts got everything to do with setup desires and designs at managing and manipulating proceedings to fulfil pre favoring outcomes not by gods but by men with agendas and wishful desires to see the home team or the favored of the hierarchy to be ultimately crowned.
24 Oct 2011, 12:14 pm
@pierre(pierre)-30:
i dont think the message will ever get through under any circumstance but am at least trying to send it in a good medium in the hope there will be a more honest telling by our kiwi friends.
24 Oct 2011, 12:15 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-32: Because I never called you sore losers, mate. I thought you guys were 100% entitled to have a rant about Wayne Barnes after he f**ked it up for you in 2007. I never called you “whingers” or anything. Same goes for France now. I’m a Bok supporter, but I’m prepared to recognise South African incompetence when I see it, and Craig Joubert is “it”.
24 Oct 2011, 12:16 pm
@NicG(NicG)-36: sounds like dejavu from past World Cups.
24 Oct 2011, 12:17 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-38: We would have been miles ahead from all his mistakes in the firest half so it equals out:)
24 Oct 2011, 12:19 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-28: By a bizarre coincidence, you have just revealed the identity of Harry the Beachwalker to me. It appears we have a mutual friend. I know him from varsity days and we’re both lawyers now.
24 Oct 2011, 12:19 pm
@toby(toby)-37: It’s obviously a guilt thing. The IRB appear to be favouring the AB’s, so this is supposed to tilt things back a little.
Not sure it does though.
24 Oct 2011, 12:20 pm
Toby it’s not a conspiracy. It’s sport unfortunately which like life can be cruel. It is not the Blacks fault Joubert had an off day as it was not Frances fault that the reff had a bad day the week before. I am not going to discuss the SA game as I am biased and Bryce is just not a good reff full stop. We all watched the same game and I honestly don’t believe Joubert was biased as he is most probably the best reff in the world. Just like any sportsman can have a bad day, why can’t a reff not? Joubert did not call quite a few calls that he wouldn’t have missed on another day. The unfortunate thing for me is that a deserved victory for the stand out team of the last decade cannot be celebrated by the neutral as for me the best team on the day did not win.
I do not begrudge the AB their victory as they have more than deserved it, however rugby was not the winner and in my mind I can’t help but feel their were too many calls missed that would have affected the game.
24 Oct 2011, 12:21 pm
Well done to the AB!
24 Oct 2011, 12:21 pm
New zealand’s defence? Do you mean employing two players on the wrong side of the ruck to shield the ball? McKakface lying all over the ball entering from wrong side whenever he pleased? Or those multiple cheap shot high tackles? New Zealand are not worthy champions nor are they a great side. Their only edge is that they get to play outside the laws in EVERY game. That final proves only one thing… rugby is as corrupt as football, probably more so, as that kind of biased officiating would never have been ignored at a FIFA World Cup! I wish New Zealand many tremors the next four years, at least some justice outside the game to pay for their cheating and corrupt affiliations.
24 Oct 2011, 12:22 pm
Wonder if the factories in Epping 1 or Epping 2 had any workers left after the heroics of the AB?
24 Oct 2011, 12:23 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-47:
Doos
24 Oct 2011, 12:24 pm
Vive La France
Vive la revolution
Vive la difference…
FucktheKiwis
24 Oct 2011, 12:25 pm
@pierre(pierre)-40:
Well it hard to tell the difference on here between posters that are actually concerned about the refs and the posters that blame the ref for every loss, even though they are not watching withy both eyes.
I should apologise for putting you in the same pot as those clowns.
But one thing that seems to be is that when NZ wins, it due to POB and the ref.
I am not exagerating here, most of the time NZ is not the better team and this is just another one of those games.
Ever heard off the cry wolf storry. This is not aimed at you at all but when most these guys on here blame the ref for every loss, when the ref does bulls up, i dont believe them, who would?
24 Oct 2011, 12:26 pm
Craig Joubert probably did the right thing in letting them win this one. Shame, it would have been a travesty if france won “their” tournament.
24 Oct 2011, 12:26 pm
Excellent article. Having watched the game again, I can understand why France could feel aggrieved as they did not have the “rub of the green” this time around (from the ref especially). France stood up and played the game of their lives.
However, the ABs withstood a serious onslaught at the end and congrats to them. Even though they did not crush France as expected, they are worthy winners of the RWC 2011.
24 Oct 2011, 12:28 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-47:
” I wish New Zealand many tremors the next four years ”
I live in Christchurch, are you saying what i think you are here?
24 Oct 2011, 12:30 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-50:
Still crying.
This is honestly a record on Keo.
No one has this many tears.
Thing is, your a toughy on the internet, i think your really harmless in real life, all noise and no go. Seen many like you.
Keep up my littlebitch
24 Oct 2011, 12:30 pm
@Dwis(Dwis)-52: Of course, how dare anyone win their sport. Any New Zealander who can think that this title is not tainted is utter trash! But these are criminal islands, so it will probably be nothing out of the ordinary for them.
24 Oct 2011, 12:31 pm
@Dwis(Dwis)-52:
yeah yeah fukn yeah.
24 Oct 2011, 12:33 pm
Greed is good…
Why? Because you get what you want no matter how you get it. It is entitlement.
France had and did everything to beat the All Blacks… Only one thing prevented them from doing so…
Craig Joubert. The ref takes centre stage.
This Rigged World Cup has demonstrated that International Rugby is now nothing more than WWE, and we can thank the refs for this.
24 Oct 2011, 12:34 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-47: dude get over yourself. no need to your regular self today.
*cue* insults
24 Oct 2011, 12:35 pm
@Alucard(Alucard)-56:
Criminal islands.
Surely you dont want to show who has the most criminals in each country?
Thats pathetic.
SA lost, you dont give a cr@p about france or the refs but we won. Thats really hurting you.
Now we have 2 RWCs, better head to head by a long shot. More S15 titles, more 3 nation titles.
7s Titles, Junior RWC titles, Women RWC titles.
Just face it, we have you sorted.
Until you stop bitching about every little thing and really concentrate on your own team and fix your own backyard, this trend is going to continue.
24 Oct 2011, 12:35 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-58: HAHA this is too funny all the whinging just shows how much it hurts…4 more years:)
24 Oct 2011, 12:38 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-58:
Your my Littlebitch for 4 more years.
24 Oct 2011, 12:41 pm
Why was it necessary for New Zealand to get this World Cup?
It wasn’t. There were better bids that would have been more viable financially and would have been better to spread the game globally. New Zealand were awarded this World Cup through the old crusty blazer and tie network.
Why was it necessary for New Zealand to win this World Cup?
Disaster otherwise. Disaster for RWC Ltd if antipodean teams did not at least reach the semis, disaster for viewing figures in a region where Rugby Union has been in decline, disaster for sponsors.
Nobody could have won this World Cup other than the ABs or Wallabies. No other team would have won, no matter how good they could have been. They would not have been allowed to, they never were allowed to.
24 Oct 2011, 12:44 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-63:
NO team was good enough my Littlebitch, sure as hell know the Boks were not good enough.
24 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm
In the end it was a Saffa that prevented the CHOKE.
24 Oct 2011, 12:47 pm
The sooner South Africans realise that there is no respect for Bok rugby from the antipodeans, that NH/SH rugby is nothing more than a false dichotomy – a false grouping conjured up in the antipodes, the better for South African rugby.
SA rugby is in a central timezone must look North and West, not East.
East is not benefitting Bok rugby. And it won’t in future.
24 Oct 2011, 12:50 pm
@Dwis(Dwis)-65:
But in the beginning it was infact a Saffa choke, how else can you lose a QF with that much possesion?
24 Oct 2011, 12:50 pm
@Dwis(Dwis)-65: Yeah, because some Saffas can be such stupid, naive fools.
They really want to believe that antipodeans respect them… they really want to believe that they are similar… they really want to be accepted…
While the Kiwis and Aussies stab them silly behind their backs.
24 Oct 2011, 12:51 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-66:
oh poor didums, the Kiwis beat you up to many times and you want to go play somewhere else.
A baby of the highest.
24 Oct 2011, 12:53 pm
France were tragic and magnificent and had all the poetry – the people who wrote them off need to step up and confess their ignorance, including Keo. Brendan Venter did it publicly in a UK newspaper this morning.
Their performance was a display of courage and beauty. Can we establish once and for all: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FRENCH FORM.
They break your heart but you keep have to keep watching so you don’t miss it when it happens – the rugby of the heavens – and when they play like that they are the best rugby players in the world – and they were in the final.
To their credit the Kiwi players and management knew and acknowledged this: Dan Carter, Richie, Ali Williams, Steve Hansen all made the predictions that France would come to play: and they were outplayed but they hung in, so non-traditionally on pure defence – I think they won because they respected the French and didn’t believe the utter tripe from all the sportswriters and commentators who know jack shti about the game – one chap on SA TV predicted a 40-point differential. The people on this site, who said watch out for France, and they know who they were, are the ones who know their game.
Paddy O’Brien needs to get the hell out of rugby – and take his ignominious No. 16 jersey with him.
24 Oct 2011, 12:54 pm
Two kiwi hands firmly around saffa necks caused that QF choke.
24 Oct 2011, 12:56 pm
@Dwis(Dwis)-71:
nope, you choked.
24 Oct 2011, 12:59 pm
The only point that has been proven is NZ needed to conspire off the field to win on it.
F–king cheats.
24 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm
The ABs won the RWC…
I wonder if there will be a push for further law changes after this tournament. Or are the laws/interpretations just right at present?
I suspect the latter. Everything is just dandy.
The correct order in Rugby has been restored, the Yarpies have been well and truly gotten, the Poms have been sent home in disgrace and the French… oh well they are French and no-one needs to understand them.
But they say this:
“One of them was particularly indignant. This is Dimitri Szarzewski. Angry hooker Stadium French dared to say out loud what everyone thought whispered, ” Kaino has a lot of mistakes, McCaw was what he wanted and they were not penalized. Unless the fault is really rough, they were not punished. Mr. Joubert was not brave. It was a World Cup final. I wanted to make things fair. And that n was not the case. ”
For the player lights, public pressure surrounding the meeting claimed the victory to the French: ” It annoys me because everyone wanted New Zealand wins then people will find it normal. The whole world was against rugby us and it made ??sense that we lost. Great players for whom I have great respect as Pienaar, Tindall and Cueto, we have openly criticized. New Zealand is the best team in the world for eight years and c ‘ although it is world champion, but tonight she did not deserve to win. “
24 Oct 2011, 13:02 pm
Okay hurricane, you win. We are clueless when it comes to playing “the game”. All hail the mighty all blacks! All hail sir richie! The greatest man ever the grace a rugby field with his presence. We’re not worthy. Please forgive us our sins, amen.
24 Oct 2011, 13:03 pm
OOh PUHLEASE Keo – this gatkruipery with NZ and the ABs is pathetic.
I dont agree at all with any of it. McCaw had another great game cheating and flouting the rules. Joubert was probably a bit overwhelmed by the occassion and hence McCaw was not penalised enough and strictly enough. So many AB high tackles were missed.
The IRB and the refs ruined this world cup for so many teams. The inconsistency and incompetence continues.
The greatest farce of them all being Bryce Lawrence’s a) Appointment b) Selection for a quarter-final involving Aus when he publicly admitted to making mistakes against Aus in a previous match!
Of course he is going to a) Be lenient on Aus and b) as a Kiwi does NOT want the Boks to play the ABs and knock them out.
The pool stages were exciting as the “minnows” showed what they can do and how much they have improved. But otherwise this RWC sucked. Well done to Wales for playing some great rugby and making some excitement. And very well done to France for playing so brilliantly in the final.
24 Oct 2011, 13:04 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-60:
Don’t try and shift the blame back on to us. You guys stink.
24 Oct 2011, 13:04 pm
Am I the only one who absolutely despises the laws that allow a ball to lie at the back of a ruck under the last mans feet for as long as the team in posession wants????
It really slows the game down to a yawn, has no inkling of positiveness about it and is actually bad for the game
Its not sour grapes, but I detest the last four or five minutes of a game being “wound down” by the ball being held, picked up, driven, held, picked up, driven, held…… and so on and so on….. and absolutely no ground is made at all
Think of it. Romania could actually draw 0-0 with the All Blacks if in the first ruck in their possetion in each half they got the ball to the back and kept it there for the rest of the half. Ridiculous, but allowed under the current rules
I positively hate this aspect of the game..
24 Oct 2011, 13:05 pm
@mudrockshark(mudrockshark)-73: Very well said!
24 Oct 2011, 13:05 pm
@mudrockshark(mudrockshark)-73:
Is that what happened with the 10 tri nation cups as well?
@Dwis(Dwis)-75:
No need for that.
But you do have a point. You were clueless in the QF with all the possesion, territory and the best drop kicker in the world at you disposal.
Dont forgive us Kiwis but at least forgive your bok team.
24 Oct 2011, 13:06 pm
The best on the Night did not win the Rigged World Cup 2011. Simple.
France were the better team. Simple.
AB’s won. Simple.
Ref impartiality was sacrificed. Simple.
24 Oct 2011, 13:07 pm
Without mentioning any teams, I have a serious problem with 2 things that have been highlighted by this world cup.
1) The influence of refs on the outcome of a game. If it can happen on the world stage then imagine the manipulation in schoolboy and provincial games. We are running the risk of rugby losing support.
2) In many games, the better side on the day, with all the possession and territory lost. This can happen once or twice but not on so many occasions. Maybe point 1 has a lot to do with this but 99% of the time, in any other sport, this would not be possible. Football is way ahead of rugby as a spectator sport and rugby is doing itself no favors at the moment.
24 Oct 2011, 13:07 pm
@mudrockshark(mudrockshark)-73:
And the proof?
Thats right you have none. Not one person here has any proof that us Kiwis paid anyone, setup anything to favour us.
@bokfan1(bokfan1)-79:
Oh you must have the proof, please show.
24 Oct 2011, 13:08 pm
@Bod(bod)-78: Totally agree with you! And that law was flouted without any regard for Sportsmanship or honour by the ABs in the final – nothing new for this team.
McCaw continuously and purposely displays contempt for the rules of the game, the entire AB team act as if rugby was made for them and the IRB run it that way – nothing may inconvenience NZ.
24 Oct 2011, 13:10 pm
@bokfan1(bokfan1)-84:
So NZ held it in the back of a ruck for too long and we lacked sportmanship?
lol i have heard it all know.
24 Oct 2011, 13:11 pm
@BOD I heard that from next year there is a new law that only allows you to keep the ball at the ruck for 5 seconds.
24 Oct 2011, 13:12 pm
The 3N and S15 have been rigged for a long time.
- structurally (Travel time on different continents)
- reffing (an Aus vs Saffa team can have an Aus ref)
- financially (SA does not get a share concomitant with its contribution)
SA has the best domestic Comp on the planet other than Top 14 in France. S15 threatens this comp.
24 Oct 2011, 13:16 pm
Maybe with Arg competing the structure will not be so lopsided, but don’t hold your breath.
I suspect Arg might just give a middle finger to SANZAR… Negotiations are not been held in good faith I suspect.
24 Oct 2011, 13:17 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-83: Personally I am not saying it is a paid-for thing or a deliberate set-up. But the people in positions of power in the IRB are either Kiwis or display blatant bias for NZ (or at least do nothing to dispel the feeling that they are pro-NZ).
The head of refs flies across the world to apologise for the reffing in a Test that NZ wins!
The RWC is given to NZ when it is obvious the country is not equipped to hold the numbers of fans the tournament attracts (and hence make a profit for IRB).
The ABs have a ridiculous ratio of something like 43 penalties for 1 yellow card, while the #1 and #3 teams (SA & Aus) average 6 and 7!
A ref like Bryce Lawrence is awared a RWC spot, then given a Quarter final after messing up a pool game.
and so on and so on…
Im sure a Kiwi would struggle to see it from the point of view of the rest of the world, but the IRB make it seem as if the ABs are the favoured child and everyone else suffers.
But no one may say anything, or they are labelled “whingers”. So these 3 or so posts are my last on the subject. Not everyone enjoyed this World Cup – and it was not the fault of the rugby – it was the fault of the IRB and the refs.
For example, Im not angry against the Aus team for the Quarters – any team will push the law as far as they can – I am angry at the bad refereeing that fails to halt the attempts at cheating. However, McCaw, Franks and Thorne (WRT rucks) take it to another level – continuously lying all over, not rolling away, holding on, diving over, coming in from the side and so on.
But what do I know? Im just a Yapie who will never play International Rugby…
24 Oct 2011, 13:19 pm
Sheesh, another mass weeping.
24 Oct 2011, 13:20 pm
I reckon SA rugby should have a long term goal of a partnership with France and Argentina in terms of a possible Club vs Province basis and International Series.
Working together with these two countries will benefit all far more in the long term than SA with the East.
24 Oct 2011, 13:22 pm
@bokfan1(bokfan1)-89:
Well look at it this way.
I though us losing the RWC in 2007 was bad enough. The way we were treated on here was sad to say the least, but most of us carried on,saying the reffing is appaling, but he winners of that tournament told us to stop whinging etc etc. Boy was it rubbed in our face.
Now we have won the RWC its got worse.
This site is unbearable now.
24 Oct 2011, 13:29 pm
Phew a lot of strange opinions here…..the AB’s definitely deserved to win the WC, they were the favourites going in and played well during the WC…No arguments from me, the team that deserved it the most won……bottom line
24 Oct 2011, 13:33 pm
the AB’s were supposed to win this WC irrespective of who they played in the SF or F….O’Brian & Lawrence made sure of that. I am sure the IRB probably suffered losses with this farce
24 Oct 2011, 13:33 pm
Saffas can accept a World Cup loss:
- They have accepted a 1999 Semi final loss. Aus were a better team that night.
- They have accepted a 2003 QF exit. The AB’s were a far superior team that day.
What some can’t accept is blatant stab in the back rigging.
The only team performances, with an honest, unbiased ref, that could possibly top the Bok QF 2011 performance might have been France in the Final or Wales in the QF against Ireland.
I don’t include AB’s vs Wallabies because the Wallabies were so obviously inferior in the Semi that they made the AB’s look better than they actually were.
But this is coulda woulda in a nice fair world of rugby which does not exist. Instead the World of Rugby is a world where some teams are more equal than others and the RWC is a WWE fest of manipulated results.
24 Oct 2011, 13:34 pm
Craig Joubert’s heroics last 20 minutes should also be commendable!
24 Oct 2011, 13:34 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-87: “The 3N and S15 have been rigged for a long time
“.. reffing (an Aus vs Saffa team can have an Aus ref)”
Well well
Not so long ago Bulls had 11 homie refs in 15 games, while everyone else – max 7 times.
And tell me, who was Jaco Peyper reffing Sharks vs Blues, Kaplan reffing Lions vs Blues, Mark Lawrence reffing Lions vs Force, Peyper reffing Stormers vs Reds, Mark Lawrence reffing Force vs Bulls, Marius Jonker reffing Lions vs Chiefs, Craig Joubert reffing Bulls vs Chiefs, Jonker reffing Waratahs vs Lions, etc. etc. etc. just last season?
Ag, forget it, why let the truth stand in a way of a very entertaining never-ending whinge.
24 Oct 2011, 13:36 pm
@Nils(Nils)-97: Its all wrong, you dumfck, that’s my actual point.
24 Oct 2011, 13:37 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-80:
This has nothing to do with any previous tri-nations. Stop trying to shift the focus.
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-83:
If you can’t see all the clear evidence for yourself then me highlighting for you is a waste of both of our time.
24 Oct 2011, 13:41 pm
@Nils(Nils)-90: Jealousy makes them nasty ….. wait for it ……….. Only another 4 years bokke !!!!
24 Oct 2011, 13:42 pm
“Home-ground advantage is big in any tournament but in World Cups it has been a curse. New Zealand are the first host nation to win the World Cup in the professional era…”
OK, let’s analyse this statement.
Before the “professional era” two of the three RWCs were hosted in the SH and were won by the host nation – NZ (’87), England (’91) [won by Australia] and SA (’95).
In the “professional era” the RWCs have been hosted in Wales (’99) [won by Australia], Australia (’03) [won by England], France (’07) [won by SA] and NZ (’11).
Every RWC played in the SH has been won by the host nation, except for Australia in 2003 who lost in extra time in the final against England.
That’s hardly a “curse”.
Rather, it’s a hemisphere thing:
(i) NH teams are not expected to win the RWC when they host it in the NH; and
(ii) any of NZ, Aus or SA are expected to win the Cup when played at home.
The overwhelming precedent is there.
24 Oct 2011, 13:44 pm
“I am very disappointed with the result but it’s not the moment to criticise the referee,” said Dusautoir.
“He is one of the best in the world and we did not do enough to get the vital penalty we needed at the end.”
The France scrum-half Dimitri Yachvili was however prepared to go a step further.
“The referee was under a lot of pressure,” he said.
“He did not want us to win.”
Fly-half François Trinh-Duc was equally frustrated.
“I’m not going to throw stones at the ref, we know that the context was against us,” he said.
And it was written thus… ABs to win the Rigged World Cup 2011… (Come h.ell or high water)
24 Oct 2011, 13:44 pm
@Nils(Nils)-97: Be interested to know your take on world refs…..is it unfair to say that SA has the best refs at the moment?
24 Oct 2011, 13:47 pm
Come on guys , enjoy the game and stop blaming the ref continuesly ….. Yes the French played exceptionally well , we were all worried in the 2nd half but isnt that what a final must be – a nail bitter – all this c r a p about France should of won , they obviously forgot the 3 kicks that Weepu missed in the first half meaning a 13 point lead in the first half which would have demoralished the french , and for the first time ( i will admit) , the Abs didnt choke and secured the game ….. the only true fact is that the Abs are world champions
24 Oct 2011, 13:49 pm
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-103: Well not according to HG and co … even Joubert is on the take
24 Oct 2011, 13:49 pm
I would love to know the Nationality of refs who officiated over close or controversial Bok losses over the last 5 years…
24 Oct 2011, 13:51 pm
I would also love to know what the reasons were for Mark Lawrence not being good enough to Ref at the Rigged World Cup 2011
24 Oct 2011, 13:51 pm
Rugby has far too many rules and these days becoming boring to watch.
24 Oct 2011, 13:52 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-107: Failed the corruption test
24 Oct 2011, 13:53 pm
@stew(stew)-105: Well as I said, methinks that’s just bitterness talking. But I would still be interested in the kiwi viewpoint on refs…I reckon at the moment SA have the best perfoming referees worldwide, dunno if thats fair or not? (Kaplan, Joubert, Lawrence etc)
24 Oct 2011, 13:55 pm
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-110: IMO it comes down to Andre Watson and his coaching – he was the best imo
24 Oct 2011, 13:55 pm
To all of the people who so laughed in 2007 , and before that , each time the AB’s failed …. Revenge is a dish best served cold , and with onions. 4 more years baby
4 more years …. I suggest you take it one heart ache at a time ..
24 Oct 2011, 13:56 pm
As a proud Bok supporter this whinging really embrasses me. Move on and get over it.
I wished for a French win yesterday and knew they would step things up in the final but they lost to Tonga and didn’t deserve the title.
Yesterday, rugby actually won, which we all want.
If you were in Joubert shoes yesterday wouldn’t you favour the AB’s in the bigger scheme of things?
24 Oct 2011, 13:56 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-106: HG i am back in NZ in december for Christmas , if i see Bryce i will knock him out just for you – i think that is fair !!!
24 Oct 2011, 14:01 pm
@DocNZ(DocNZ)-112: Well jackass I suppose we can only congratulate you into the “won it twice” club…..although it only took us four goes…took the AB’s 7……hmmmmmm
24 Oct 2011, 14:01 pm
@stew(stew)-111: Yeah he was quality, the
24 Oct 2011, 14:03 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-92: I can appreciate that way of looking at it Cane.
I personally never understood how the QF of 07 was rubbed into Kiwis faces. It was a **** refereeing display and I wouldve been GUTTED if that had happened to the Boks. When I watched the replay of that game earlier this year I could totally understand Kiwis’ pain.
Its like booing the kicker instead of keeping quiet – its a “celebration of negative”.
We (rugby fans) should not delight when losses are incurred through malpractice as opposed to a lack of skill or being roundly beaten by your opponent.
The ABs were consistent throughout RWC 2011, won all their games, played well and overcame the loss of DC – all good achievements.
But the IRB takes the shine off of the achievement because of the suspicious way things are done and the incompetence of Refs that goes unpunished and unremarked upon.
Think of it this way Cane – most of the Kiwis on this site have repeatedly said the Boks 2007 title is void because they did not face Aus or NZ (altho this might be in retaliation to the Bok supporters comments about ’87?). How do Bok supporters feel when this is said? Did they ask to get the opponents they did in 2007? Did NZ ask to play France in a final in 2011?
Bok supporters will always believe that we deserved to beat Aus in the QF and we wouldve beaten NZ in the SF.
Even more so, that Aus shouldve beaten Ireland (thanks again to Bryce’s dodgy reffing) and therefore Ireland shouldve been the Boks QF opponents.
And we will believe (myself included) that the Boks wouldve beathen the ABs – either in the Semi or Final – especially without DC in the team. Even AB fans know that the Boks know how to pressure the ABs, and any first 5/8th with less BMT than Dan (read: almost any player on Earth) wouldve been smashed by the Boks.
Whether this is true or not, or logical or not, Bok supporters will believe it.
So it kinda goes both ways – but I do agree the comments on this site have become ridiculous.
To all my Kiwi mates I have said congrats and the conversation is about the ABs winning. But on this site, a site made primarily concerning the Boks, the Bok supporters have gathered to vent.
So dont take it all too seriously either – a lot of these guys are probably good sportsman and pleasant people
24 Oct 2011, 14:03 pm
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-116: Oops, he was quality but the IRB really should try and ensure all countries have the same standard of refs, otherwise there is always the gripe that NZ/AUS get out good refs and we get lumped with the less “qualified” NZ and Aus refs. Not an excuse for the WC mind….just a point
24 Oct 2011, 14:06 pm
“”We are a much stronger side now than we were in 2007. The players are older, more self-reliant and they run this team, Richie and the senior players run this team,” he said.”
- Henry, quoted on Supersport.
Imagine the idiotic mayhem here if PdV came out with a similar statement but yet it is great if the Kiwis do it? So much for the old school “headmaster” style being called for by some here.
24 Oct 2011, 14:06 pm
@DocNZ(DocNZ)-112:
Well done DocNZ, and to the ABs.
The ABs have defined rugby so often and for so many years, they deserve to have won it back at last
Congratulations from SA
24 Oct 2011, 14:09 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-95: Good post! That is the difference – and what I was trying to get through in my posts.
I can accept the Boks beaten by a better team on the day. But when a whole system is rigged (as even the RWC tender process was) then its not cool.
24 Oct 2011, 14:09 pm
@DocNZ(DocNZ)-112: Thats what its all about to you Kiwis… “Revenge”.
This implies you have been hard done by… As if.
- from interpretation and law changes for your benefit
- from been gifted RWC hosting rights
- from been gifted a RWC win
- from been gifted all possible advantage in S15 and 3N
Fuckyouverymuch… But I do really hope that “revenge” is truly sweet because after the euphoria fades the truth may out. And the truth is this Rigged World Cup and its outcome has not been good for rugby.
24 Oct 2011, 14:10 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-119: Well said Michael! There wouldve been all kinds of jokes and criticisms of PDiv – thats for sure!
Keo TV wouldve made a special episode to mock PDiv – even though none of them could coach their way out of a paper bag.
The South African media has been very harsh on PDiv
24 Oct 2011, 14:12 pm
@Dust(Leatherdust)-120: I would echo those sentiments but the good Doc is not exactly displaying good sportsmanship…rather showing the qualities of a prime ring muscle
24 Oct 2011, 14:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-107:
HG, To some extent, I agree with your assessment of a rigged world cup.
It all started many, many years ago when the host nation was announced.
There were clearly more comptent bids to host, but NZ won it against the run of play.
This kind of stuff can get you to bleed for years to come.
I think we should move on … there is plenty of time still for SA to become the team of this decade.
The players we have available now will deliver at least 2 x Four Nations cups over the next 3 years and certainly the 2015 world cup. Then all this will be forgotten
24 Oct 2011, 14:14 pm
@bokfan1(bokfan1)-123: Too harsh. PdV has made mistakes but is he a bad coach? No.
Yet an AB side playing Bok-like rugby led by its senior players is being hailed is being derided too.
Oh wait.
24 Oct 2011, 14:14 pm
@Helen(Helen)-125: Great post Helen and that should be exactly the motivation for our new Bok team!
2 x Four Nations Cups (lets say 2012 and 2013)
2014 will be the dreaded 3rd year (as always)
2015 RWC
24 Oct 2011, 14:15 pm
@bokfan1(bokfan1)-121:
Yes, the qrt final was horrible and potentially rigged.
Bottom line is that it won’t be proven and we’re ffarting against thunder, so let’s just get on with it.
You and I both know the Boks deserved to be in the final and would’ve probably taken the title… but it is now spilt milk
24 Oct 2011, 14:17 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-126: Well said again! The ultimate proof of what type of man PDiv is, is that he remained above it all and stuck to his guns – to be himself and to keep on coaching like he was. He always defended his team, was loyal to his players, he always kept smiling and kept things in perspective.
We didnt agree with everything he did and all his selections, but he was a great coach.
24 Oct 2011, 14:18 pm
As a Bok supporter the main reason to be happy must be that you are gettin rid of Pdivvy ????? Imagine if you had won , would Pdivvy resign ???????
24 Oct 2011, 14:19 pm
@Helen(Helen)-125: You are welcome to “move on” one day after a one sided final… One sided in several ways:
- One side was superior on the night
- One sided ref
- One sided final, written and decided beforehand
I am giving my opinion, not just on the Rigged World Cup, but on the decline of SA Rugby at the expense of the antipodeans.
I have had this view for a long time. Even if the Boks had won their QF I would still have this view.
And like it or not my view has resonance…
24 Oct 2011, 14:19 pm
@bokfan1(bokfan1)-129: You must be joking – is this your honest opinion ???
24 Oct 2011, 14:20 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-122: yeah it was a gift world cup, worthless when you win it like that.
Kiwis do feel they were owed something, but they were owed nothing, they weren’t good enough in the preceding 24 years and they weren’t good enough on the weekend but this time corruption won out.
24 Oct 2011, 14:26 pm
Froggies are freaking about the reffing it seems, this world cup definitely not just going to be remembered for the All Blacks winning.
24 Oct 2011, 14:28 pm
@Helen(Helen)-128:
Thats a moot point Helen
Im not sure we wouldve beaten the ABs in the semi
We were starting to run on 3 cylinders – stuttering and in fits and starts
We were losing players who were not fit = Juan before, then Bakkies and Frans Steyn, then Brussow, and we only had Fourie duP and Gurthro who were not rugby hardened this year and it wouldve been fully nosediving. And also the stalwarts like Danie and Schalk were starting to become match-fatigued.
We were the best uncoached team there, but Im not sure that wouldve got us to the final
24 Oct 2011, 14:28 pm
@bokfan1(bokfan1)-121:
not to mention the rwc group/pool seeding process:
http://blogs.dieburger.com/KevinD26/irb-se-wbeker-komplot-om-all-blacks-te-laat-wen?page=2
24 Oct 2011, 14:29 pm
@stew(stew)-130: Nobody seems to want the bok job, so we might be stuck with him a bit longer .
24 Oct 2011, 14:29 pm
@stew(stew)-132: Yes it is! Of course it is! PDiv was the man who kept the 2007 side together going forward. He brought Matfield and Smit back.
He had the humility and lack of ego to change gameplan after 2008 to enable the awesome season of 2009 to happen.
The mistakes of 2010 had a lot more to do with the usual “3rd year curse” and senior Bok missing tackles and being injured than anything else.
PDiv’s main problem was his backline “coach” – Muir shouldve been replaced.
No coach on Earth woudlve changed his side after the 2009 season. All of these accusations that he stuck with the “old boys” is done in hindsight. At the end of 2009 (EOYT saw the use of a lot of new players – ironically) no coach wouldve messed around with that side too much.
after S14 2010 it seemed the same players would continue on the same winning path. The 3Ns gave us all and them all a RUDE shock. but by the middle of 2010 it is too late trying to make wholesale changes to a team for a RWC in less than a year’s time.
Still some new players were brought in – Lambie, Aplon, Hougaard and so on.
And remember – some of the new players (like Bekker) wouldve been at RWC 2011 if not for injuries.
Look at Deans changing the Wallabies Capt just before RWC – no one says anything. An article on Keo/SA Rugby even applauded the decision.
If PDiv had done that, and gone out in the Semis, all the media wouldve lambasted him for making the same mistake as Mallet did, Smit wouldve been called the real coach, and so on and so on.
Hindsight is an exact science.
24 Oct 2011, 14:30 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-133: It has been a lesson in “Capture”…
The IRB is a captured agency. And the way in which this World Cup was awarded and won will create a big negative externality for Rugby Union, especially at International Level.
S15 and 3N are not captured, they were never freely competitive in the first place.
Unless a revolution happens in the highest echelons of Rugby, true competition at the International Level will be dead… Farce. If it has not already happened.
24 Oct 2011, 14:34 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-133: I think you are wrong, they have consistently been the best at rugby for many years, if there was something dodgy on the go i dont think they AB team is to blame, the reffing this rwc though was conveniently bad at times though it seems.
24 Oct 2011, 14:34 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-136: Fark me. That was a very good little write up on that blog.
24 Oct 2011, 14:35 pm
@stew(stew)-132: PS. Not ALL Saffas hate PDiv Stew. The bitter ones you meet in Australia probably do – but they would complain regardless of who the coach is and who the team is.
They would complain when Naas was picked (cant tackle) and when he was dropped (who will kick??), they hated Monty cos of his hair/boots, hated Bobby cos he stuck his tongue out, hated Jake cos he wasnt an ex-Bok.
I’ll give you a very funny example of how weird South Africans can be:
Certain extreme non-white Saffas support the ABs because the Boks are “too-white”. Certain extreme conservative right-wing white kids ALSO support the ABs because of the supposed “quotas” in the Bok team. Can you get more ironic than that?
You can never satisfy the whole of South Africa. A LOT of Saffas admire PDiv and will miss him
24 Oct 2011, 14:39 pm
@stew(stew)-130: I feel for PdV but truth be told we was not up to scratch…looking forward to “the best man for the job” whoever that is
24 Oct 2011, 14:39 pm
@DocNZ(DocNZ)-112: hehehehe nice try, but SA handed over the trophy on Sunday, hence we only have to wait 4 years to have another crack (and not 4 more years, as in 24 years), chop
24 Oct 2011, 14:40 pm
@bokfan1(bokfan1)-142:
I’m sure we will ALL miss him, for a variety-show of reasons
24 Oct 2011, 14:45 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-133:
Big ti t you don’t really believe that give it up son you’re pathetic.
24 Oct 2011, 14:56 pm
France have been hit with a £10 000 fine by the IRB for advancing on the New Zealand haka prior to Sunday’s Rugby World Cup final.
24 Oct 2011, 14:56 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-146:
Hmmmmm….. don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
There is some truth to what him and HG are saying.
It is worth a look, I think.
There is a bit of smoke around Bryce Lawrence. It would be interesting to see if there’s a fire, don’t you think?
24 Oct 2011, 14:57 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-147:
Surely not!!?
24 Oct 2011, 14:59 pm
It is sad that the only 2 times the kiwis have won the RWC, SA was excluded for non-playing reasons.
In 1987, NZ had apartheid to thank for their title.
In 2011, they had Bryce Lawrence to thank.
Imagine neither of those events ever happened. The kiwis would STILL be without a single cup.
24 Oct 2011, 15:01 pm
@bokfan1(bokfan1)-142: I cant believe you would support a coach who has done nothing for the Bok jersey and team as a whole ….. Firstly i am not a Bok supporter.
PDivvy took over one of the best Bok teams ever in 2008 – imo in 2008 was the best chance to white wash the Abs in the Tri Nations , and after the historic victory at Dunedin , i was terrified ! What does the great Pdivvy do , change the team – the start of the collapse ….. i can go on and on
The current bok team imo played on skill not coaching prowess , this was the best opportunity ever to do the double … I will admit that the current Abs were no where near as good as the 2007 team and the Boks if properly coached should wipe the floor with the current Ab team but ( lucky for us ) Pdivvy and his cohort cant coach , simple and clear
I cannot , ever , say that Pdivvy was even a good coach. I believe this is where Saffas should focus thier anger not reffering decisions.
24 Oct 2011, 15:05 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-147: NOW THAT IS BU!!**** that is so wrong on so many levels, this is what makes people angry that they have the right to do the war boogy before a game and every one else must just stand there and suck it in.
24 Oct 2011, 15:05 pm
@Helen(Helen)-150: Helen you must remember that the Boks , who must be congratulated for being able to have 75 % possesion , still cant work out how to score tries …. Dont worry though they have only 4 more years to learn !!!! LOL
24 Oct 2011, 15:07 pm
This is a farce!
France has been fined for walking closer when the haka was done.
The IRB protects their fav for sure.
24 Oct 2011, 15:07 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-141:
i know, but then they call us ‘conspiracy theorists’…go figure…
24 Oct 2011, 15:08 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-154: Yeah that’s crazy, I thought the French respected the Haka by fronting up, not sure why they are being fined
24 Oct 2011, 15:09 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-147: That is UNBELIEVABLE! That illustrates EXACTLY my point – the favoured status of the ABs within the IRB.
Why should another team HAVE to “respect” the Haka (a dance intended to intimidate)?
Why must the IRB have a rule about where to stand and where to watch the Haka from and how to behave?
Its ridiculous
24 Oct 2011, 15:10 pm
@stew(stew)-153: chop refer my post 144
24 Oct 2011, 15:12 pm
Skeppie because the IRB has a special set of rules for the all blacks.
The tongan,samoan and fijian haka’s don’t have the same protection.
24 Oct 2011, 15:12 pm
France are lucky to get away with a mere £10k fine. In the old days blasphemy was punishable by death.
24 Oct 2011, 15:15 pm
@stew(stew)-151: I know you are not a Bok supporter Stew
I did mistake you for a Wallaby though – my bad 
You are entitled to your opinion of course, and Im surprised to read you think about 2008 and the ABs in 2011! I did also think 2008 was a good year to whitewash the ABs (as I do every year
The Bok team have gone stalled and even digressed a bit recently (especially in ball-in-hand and backline play). However I do not attribute all of the blame of this to the PDiv – as my post above – the players must bear the brunt, and a better backline coach was required.
I would say the scrum improved and our forward play was great (except for 8th Man, but this is my personal opinion). Even so – as I said we do not all agree with every single one of his selections – but some of the personal attacks and criticisms in the media were out of line and not professional
24 Oct 2011, 15:16 pm
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-124: Far from it … Some here have refused to do anything but whine and complain, 2007 our noses where rubbed in it . We got reminded at ever chance, chokers 4 more years .
Now we have won the RWC, yet nothing has changed , every single aspect of this RWC was in some way shape or form rigged to make sure that the AB’s win. Do you honestly think that with all the history between the two teams , that the AB’s would want to play France in a final?
Given the chance it would have been interesting to see which one of the first tier nations the AB’s would rather have prefered to play in the final. In ’87 the AB’s won the trophy, we are told that it does not count because the boks did not play . In 91 the wallabies won it , but nothing it mentioned of that though. In 1995 the ab’s played in a great final loosing to the boks. 1999 , it was sad times again. 2003 , even more sad times . 2007 , Wanye Barnes due to his incopitanace cost us a chance at the trophy.
The boks won , after thumping england twice, they did not choose their oposition, same in 2011 , the blacks palyed the teams in front of them. Bryce did not have a stellar game, but the boks should ahve played better and should have won the game . Craig Joubert is now seen as another gimp in the pocket of Paddy . The wallabies lost to the Irish , that was beyonf anyones control and it threw the comp wide open. Now we are told that the AB’s cant considre themsleves RWC champs until they beat the boks.
Is the hatred for the AB’s so over powering that any reason to deny the AB’s their moment in the sun ? I think it has more to do with the failure of the boks to live up to their own supporters expectations. The boks supporters are hurt , they feel angry , even going on a full out campaign to support the French, anyone but the blacks. Some bloggers here cant get over it, that is their problem. They only have to wait 4 more years to get another try and winning it.
I think the Wallabies will win it 2015, Their team will be perfect for it. As for the AB’s given the advercity they have come through this year, it just goes to show how tough a national they really are .
24 Oct 2011, 15:21 pm
@DocNZ(DocNZ)-162: if you looking for acceptance go blog on a kiwi site, if you want to experience bitter rejection please remain here
24 Oct 2011, 15:22 pm
Greatest conspiracies – Area 51 , the moon landing , JFK assasination and now the 2011 RWC
24 Oct 2011, 15:23 pm
@Feral Cat(Sun Wukong)-163: Xenophobia raising its ugly head again – and who is the chop
24 Oct 2011, 15:23 pm
@stew(stew)-164: or try RWC 95, lol
24 Oct 2011, 15:25 pm
@stew(stew)-165: please explain you have lost me or are you feeling a little sensitive?
24 Oct 2011, 15:26 pm
@Feral Cat(Sun Wukong)-167: Use a dictionary if you dont understand the word
24 Oct 2011, 15:28 pm
@stew(stew)-168: ok so sensitive it is you chop
24 Oct 2011, 15:32 pm
@DocNZ(DocNZ)-162: I suppose don’t paint all with one brush comes to mind. I cannot understand supporting the French, NZ have been the best side in the world for a while so clearly are deserved winners, of course come of us saffa’s are bitter and whiney, the WC means that much to us! I do think there is a bit of leniency to NZ from the IRB especially with the smaller details like citings, fines etc but I don’t understand how anyone can think the cup was rigged…the AB’s were deserved winners in 2011 full stop. The Boks were deserved winners in 2007 as well.
24 Oct 2011, 15:33 pm
@Feral Cat(Sun Wukong)-169: LOL i enjoy blogging here because of the various views of supporters around the world , however lambasting a view point because they are not South African is Xenophobic
24 Oct 2011, 15:41 pm
The same keo moron who has a kiwi **** firmly up his arse. Predicted Aus will win it, then said no NH team has the quality to make it and predicted an AB runaway win. Then he spend the whole last couple of years bashing the Bok coach and undermining our teams effort with the most negative attitude and journalism imaginable than our our worse enemies can ever do.
Please emigrate to new Zealand keo – you and your keo WP/AB supporting twat club don’t belong in SA go and support Aus and the ABs please. BTW – the Lions smashed WP with all their overrated Springboks this weekend too – shows you what is really wrong with the Boks – too many useless overrated WP players in there for sure.
24 Oct 2011, 15:43 pm
hehehehe you really are a sensitive soul
24 Oct 2011, 15:49 pm
@stew(stew)-164:
You tell the bit of the Truth that suits you Stew
Area 51 – they didnt come clean on what they discovered there
Moon landing – it happened, but was the film footage actually from Hollywood?
JFK – the Mafia/Warlords did it, and every President since knows it
RWC 2011 – As has been explained exhaustively, it was a plot from the word go when the votes mysteriously becames New Zealands, through the draw, to Bryce Lawrence and the pedantic and silent ref in the final. Kaplan would have reffed fairly
btw, you left out 9/11
24 Oct 2011, 15:52 pm
@Dust(Leatherdust)-174: Damn thanks Dust
24 Oct 2011, 16:27 pm
So William Webb Ellis is where it belongs…
The number one team in the world are also World Champions…
No team is allowed to challenge the haka…
So is International Rugby all about the All Blacks now… It seems the IRB have made it so… From interpretation/law changes to not following own directives on reffing appointments… to changes in pool seedings for the WC etc, etc.
So much for progress… Back to the future… Back to ’87.
The only Nation to benefit from RWC 2011 is New Zealand… International Rugby did not gain a thing… But it did lose a helluva lot.
24 Oct 2011, 16:37 pm
I wonder on what basis the Rigged World Cup was the “best ever”….?
- Best international television viewing figures out of all WC’s? (I doubt it)
- Best live attendance (I doubt it)
- Best atmosphere (farksake a dj prompted sweet caroline is nothing compared to spontaneous Sweet Chariot, Bread of Heaven or La Marseillaise singing by the crowd… maybe a taste issue here)
- Highest revenue (I doubt it)
Angazi…
24 Oct 2011, 16:38 pm
the all blacks won and good luck to them, none can deny that they finally deserved some at a wc.
the biggest travesty is that the world was denied a all black vs bok showdown at a worldcup in a knockout stage with both sides displaying some form.
thanks bryce you incompetent.
24 Oct 2011, 16:43 pm
Sweet Mary please let us choose a great coaching staff this time round.
I really liked the articulate Gary Gold on telly last night.
I’d consider keeping him as forwards coach.
If heyneke seriously is not interested and mitch has already said he is not interested and plumtree doesn’t appear either, the only other candidate to offer the job to would be gert smal.
gert smal
gary gold
niebensomebody
….and they could well then rope in a lesser know backs coach from the antipodeans.
24 Oct 2011, 16:44 pm
Incompetence means Bryce was inept, inability to perform, and didn’t know what the fark he was doing…
On the contrary Bryce knew exactly what he was doing, performed exactly what he was supposed to do and was quite competent.
Bryce was very, very competent. Do not kid yourself otherwise.
24 Oct 2011, 17:30 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-177: Your bitter posting approach makes this website worth visiting. It has to be impossible to actually be as twisted in real life as you portray yourself on this blog. You are to be commended on your satirical commentary of things rugby. You’re a champion! Wishing you a blessed four years.
24 Oct 2011, 17:39 pm
Come on South Africans stop whining.
Our team did better than we expected despite terrible coaches and a hopeless selection policy and an unimaginative skop & charge attacking strategy.
The ref was less influential than the picking of John Smit Vs Bismarck, Spies Vs Alberts to start, Vs our inability to score a try.
We have a great young team coming through. Lets focus on a winning % against Australia, NZ and Tier 1 nations continually Vs whining about the RWC. It’s over.
New Zealand won, and deservedly so. France played terrifically and came close. But lost.
That’s the game.
Played by grown men.
24 Oct 2011, 17:39 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-180: Dude. Come on. You’re posting like a poepol.
24 Oct 2011, 17:41 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-179: I dunno Brig. Gold? I couldn’t think of anything worse other than PDiv or Muir.
“Problems cannot be solved by thinking within the framework in which the problems were created”
– Albert Einstein.
24 Oct 2011, 17:42 pm
Dear IRB,
Until further notice, please hold all RWC tournaments in South Africa, they do after all have fantastic stadia. Let the South African’s choose their own referees, and hurry up with cloning Derek Bevan, he was quite popular from memory and would certainly warrant a call up.
By the way, don’t make SA play through the pool and knock out stage, just the final as obviously this is the only surefire way to crown a deserving world champion. Logically, unless a team plays and beats SA, they’re not deserving of the title. Shame on you for missing this one previously.
Should, heaven forbid, SA not win, may I suggest an immediate investigation into the conduct of the match officials and a re-match until the Springboks do win. Ask Craig to time the match on his watch that was given to him after the final, it’s really expensive so it’s bound to be accurate. Whoops, sorry, that was that chap Bevan again.
Bokke for World Champions!
Regards
The one eyed, no credit to others club.
24 Oct 2011, 17:44 pm
The International Game is now a farce with the ref being the highest common denominator of who wins or loses.
Who knows, many people enjoy WWE so International Rugby’s popularity may not wane…
24 Oct 2011, 17:44 pm
@Cane 73(Cane 73)-185: You too. Stop it.
24 Oct 2011, 17:45 pm
@Cane 73(Cane 73)-185: Funny post, but dont belittle the valid concerns
24 Oct 2011, 17:46 pm
@Cane 73(Cane 73)-185: Wow more sweeping generalizations.
24 Oct 2011, 17:46 pm
@Cane 73(Cane 73)-185: Yes, a guaranteed winner. But, no thank you. Saffa’s would probably not like to do it the Kiwi way… After all, its not really a fair contest… its not really sport.
But you can’t see that. I dont blame you or judge you, I just accept it is part of your nature.
24 Oct 2011, 17:48 pm
@bokfan1(bokfan1)-188: I agree with you. There are valid concerns but some on this site seem to find it impossible to say well done to ANY of their opposition.
24 Oct 2011, 17:49 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-190: Brilliant. Lemon with that?
24 Oct 2011, 17:51 pm
@Cane 73(Cane 73)-192: Why Lemon?
24 Oct 2011, 17:53 pm
@heboric(heboric)-189: It was just a joke heboric. I don’t post much but generally hope that I post objectively (unless trying to wind someone up of course). Point being that when we have had a hiding (most often at the hands of the Boks, without doubt NZ’s most respected rivals), I have no issue saying superb effort and congrats to the Bok supporters.
24 Oct 2011, 18:00 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-176: ‘International Rugby did not gain a thing… But it did lose a helluva lot.’
yep, principally its credibility
24 Oct 2011, 18:01 pm
@Cane 73(Cane 73)-194: “I have no issue saying superb effort and congrats to the Bok supporters.” – Boks were prevented from winning a QF in the Rigged World Cup by a Kiwi ref… and you offer congrats…Nice one.
24 Oct 2011, 18:03 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-195: Yup. Rome is burning.
24 Oct 2011, 18:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-196: HG, I wasn’t commenting or offering congrats on the RWC in particular. As a kiwi I was ashamed of the BL effort (or lack thereof) as were the majority of rugby fans I spoke to post the game. Your comments are not totally off the mark at all, just put across as to say we’re all (NZer’s) cheating ******** and our team never deserves a win, irrespective of how that win is crafted. Perhaps I haven’t read enough of your comments prior to RWC to understand your attitude prior to the event, but you seem particularly aggressive. Whatever floats your boat.
In my opinion, the haka has lost something of its appeal, over exposed basically, put it away for special encounters. It definitely shouldn’t be given special treatment, agreed. It is one of the longest standing traditions in rugby, but with more tests now played in a year than many ‘legends’ played in a career, perhaps it’s time for a change.
Jumping all over the place here, but the QF reffing was terrible, conceded. Not quite sure that the Boks didn’t have enough of the game to win it anyway, but I do agree with your assessment of BL. A bloody shocker.
24 Oct 2011, 18:13 pm
Who are all these newbie AB supporters who have suddenly slithered out of under their stones.
24 Oct 2011, 18:22 pm
New Zealand are deserved champions. They very nearly blew it in the final and their kicking in particular cost them. France played very well and were a bit unlucky. However the All Blacks deserved a bit of luck for a change and were the best team overall in this tournament and over the last 2 years. Something has to be done about the reffing overall. I in no way believe in conspiracies that the refs favour certain teams I just believe many are just plain poor and to much is left open to the refs own interpretation in tackle ball situations and in the scrums in particular.
I hope New Zealand get to host more RWC finals in the future. It is very important that countries where rugby is huge such as New Zealand and South Africa get to host the event. I also think the time is right for Argentina to host a World Cup. They are definately a country the Irb should be concentrating on as they can be a future winner. Forget about chasing money in markets like the US were there is little interest.
24 Oct 2011, 18:23 pm
Just as we were getting used to the old lot of abusers, another lot emerges.
24 Oct 2011, 18:26 pm
Reading some of the posts on here from some south africans are almost embarrasing.
Get over it, AB’s won.
They have been the best team on this planet consistently for 10 years, and set the tone for how rugby is played. Not SA – we play **** stampkar-kick-chase rugby. Who wants to pay to watch that?
So is NZ better for rugby than SA? Probably not, as we bring our own brand, and variation is great, but I can’t see how schoolbouys wouldn’t WANT to play like them.
Funny also is most SA’cens here in US badly wanted NZ to win, where most based in SA seemed to wish them more despair. What the hell is up with that?
24 Oct 2011, 18:33 pm
Deja Vu!!!?
A very similar thing is happening in Rugby (supporters, players, Unions) as to what happened with cricket in the period before systemic and individual corruption was revealed in the game:
A mix of
- suspicions
- denial
- bravado
- silence
…occurring in various stages…
Followed by explosive revelations…
None of these stages have completely left cricket because we know international cricket is not completely clean. However Rugby is now well and truly on its way… sans the “revelations” part… up to now.
Who knows what the future holds. But it isn’t going to be pretty.
24 Oct 2011, 18:35 pm
International Rugby very certainly has a credibility problem at the moment…
It is only a short leap from credibility problem to blatant wrong-doing, cheating and corruption.
24 Oct 2011, 18:39 pm
Don’t get me wrong I love the ABs to bits they are hunks.
But to be called LOSERS by all and sundry with NZ or maori or cane in their nics gets a tad tiresome.
As far as I am conceerned we are both level in rugby achievement.
24 Oct 2011, 18:58 pm
C MON SAFFIES LETS ALL SING A SONG TOGETHER.
EVERYBODY IN YOUR BEST FREDDIE MERCURY ACCENT
WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS MY FRIEND
AND WE,LL KEEP ON FIGHTING TO THE END
WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS
WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS
NO TIME FOR QUARTER FINALISTS
CAUSE WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS
OF THE WORLD
24 Oct 2011, 19:05 pm
@bokke baiter(bokke baiter)-206: Yes, the ABs are the no 1 side in the World and World Champions at the same time. No argument about that.
You have the Cup, you have the ranking.
You are the best.
Your World Cup was the “best ever”…
You have your “revenge”…. After all the years of being hard done by.
And yet…
24 Oct 2011, 19:06 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-207: France were better in the final than the no 1 side and now World Champions.
24 Oct 2011, 19:17 pm
This RWC proved that international rugby is a farce and rigged by the cheats who are in control. Who will win the next one, my guess is that the IRB will “favour” the French as a consolation prize to ‘even things out’. Why anyone is stupid enough to buy tickets for a rigged game is beyond me.
24 Oct 2011, 19:29 pm
The entire NZ nation should be embarrassed that France had to pay fine for their reaction to the Haka.
I know it was the IRB that imposed the fine but man NZ should of come out in support of the French and asked that the fine be withdrawn, again it just gives credit to those saying that the IRB favor everything NZ !!
24 Oct 2011, 19:33 pm
@posts(posts)-209: Nope, the IRB will never “favour” France in a WC.
However the scant consolation has been doled out already in the form of IRB player of the year for Dusautoir.
24 Oct 2011, 19:34 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-208:
The fact that the “best” team on the day does not always win (on the day) is one of the beauties of international sport at the top level and what makes it so exciting.
24 Oct 2011, 19:37 pm
Righto lets go for complete world domination
Go from
best team between World Cups
too
best team every year including World Cups
so that should make it
2010,11,12,13,14,15,16, etc,etc,etc
24 Oct 2011, 19:37 pm
New name for the AB’s …..the “untouchables” …………….and I am not referring to their playing abilities !! (where they are mostly untouchable
24 Oct 2011, 19:37 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-212: Undoubtedly… unless rigged, manipulated or corrupted…
24 Oct 2011, 19:44 pm
That fine is absurdity of the highest order.
24 Oct 2011, 19:45 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-214:
Howzit,
I see you are not over- excited with the thought of Shadow coming to play his rugby in the “skadu” of the mountain
Must say I have always rated him- big, strong, fast with all round ball skills- imo better then Engelbrecht.
About time we get something back from the old enemy.
24 Oct 2011, 19:48 pm
IRB twats
24 Oct 2011, 19:51 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-217:
Hi Rob
No…………….. not too excited by him coming to Problems…………………….. tackles worse than Spies, lazy and can’t kick for sh it !!!
Has moments of individual brilliance but no consistency !!
24 Oct 2011, 19:52 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-218:
LOL !!
24 Oct 2011, 19:53 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-218:
It’s a bit like getting a fine for parking in a loading zone.
24 Oct 2011, 19:55 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-221:
LOL
At least that is a legit fine !!
24 Oct 2011, 19:56 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-219:
You mean his best tackle was the one on Luke outside the field of play.
I was so pissed of with him that day, lol- but will have to forgive him now I guess.
24 Oct 2011, 19:59 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-223:
LOL
You have a good memory !
24 Oct 2011, 20:00 pm
bitter and twisted bitter and twisted bitter and twisted bitter and twisted bitter and twisted bitter and twisted bitter and twisted bitter and twisted bitter and twisted bitter and twisted bitter and twisted…..you would expect more from followers of the worlds 4th ranked rugby team
24 Oct 2011, 20:04 pm
The French should be more twitter and bisted being lumped with that stupid petulant fine.
24 Oct 2011, 20:10 pm
Translation from Midi Olympique:
“Actually, we did not feel that these players have lost a World Cup final. Of course, sadness is immense, but we do not feel depression, no internal revolt, not overwhelming and indescribable pain. There is an explanation for this: “It’s because we know we could not do better, says Pascal Pape. We put everything we could but it’s not us who decided the fate we would be booked. ” The second line of the French stage of the arbitration is speaking of Mr. Joubert. Because there was also an immeasurable sense of helplessness at Eden Park in the final night of World …”
24 Oct 2011, 20:45 pm
My Team of the Rigged World Cup
15. Dagg
14. O Connor
13. Bosch
12. Roberts
11. North
10. Carter
9. Phillips
8. Harinord
7. Schalk
6. Pocock
5. Matfield
4. Nallet
3. Mas
2. Servat
1. Gurthro
24 Oct 2011, 20:48 pm
l will never support the boks because of my own people. SA are an embarrassment, sore losers and our brand is something a few have fought for and some marketers at Vodacom have reduced to biltong and Jan. We eat our own, we have sense of grace or respect, because along with Julius malema the world owes us something.
24 Oct 2011, 20:57 pm
Mark Keohane. I am under the impression that SA won as host nation in 1995. Am I wrong?
24 Oct 2011, 20:59 pm
@rocopoco(rocopoco)-229: You dont really need to explain why you are a cowardly, spineless little runt, like the ET’s and other Caped Crusaders of this World…
But if you will, feel free to continue.
Its quite interesting to have a window into the soul of twisted, treacherous little pric.ks of the likes of you lot.
24 Oct 2011, 21:00 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-230: Not “professional” era… apparently.
24 Oct 2011, 21:01 pm
We eat our own?
24 Oct 2011, 21:06 pm
@rocopoco(rocopoco)-229: Thank you for not supporting SA, your type is really not what the Boks need.Now run along and go …..
24 Oct 2011, 21:07 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-228: I will pay you £50 if you add Bissy in at hooker
24 Oct 2011, 21:08 pm
href=”#comment-2027141″>rocopoco(rocopoco)-229:A large number of people on this site are very good sportsmen and can loose with dignity(or else we would not be on this site).There are a few ,and they are very active who gives the rest of the bloggers a bad name.You should read ALL the posts.Your generalizations are inaccurate and in itself embarrassing.To The World Champions ,WELL DONE . A win is a win and you defended well.It is going to be a tough 4 years with Pantie, Hurricane and the rest of the NZ guys .But we dished it out and now for some humble pie.
24 Oct 2011, 21:09 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-232: Thank you.
24 Oct 2011, 21:10 pm
@rocopoco(rocopoco)-229: I hope you do not refer to me as “one of your people” you pathetic yellow belly turncoat
24 Oct 2011, 21:11 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-236: I reckon few of those will now disappear
24 Oct 2011, 21:12 pm
@alucard:its always funny joining a new board and bumping into people from other boards. I see you’re still so full of yourself here. Wishing death on Kiwi’s cause they won?? Jeez, you’re surpassing yourself.
24 Oct 2011, 21:13 pm
@dook(dook)-240: Has your now got a typo in ?should it read d.o.o.s?
24 Oct 2011, 21:14 pm
@JL1(JL1)-241: Now=name
24 Oct 2011, 21:15 pm
@Johannes Expatinus(hanneslom)-202: Wow. So true. EXACTLY my experience. All South Africans I was with and I watched in a bar were supporting NZ.
24 Oct 2011, 21:16 pm
How do I quote a post from a mobile? Is it possible?
24 Oct 2011, 21:16 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-203: bullsh*t.
24 Oct 2011, 21:17 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-208: bullsh8t
24 Oct 2011, 21:18 pm
fantastic to see ALL the sore losers
enjoy 8th spot guys.
it’s been two weeks, do you think the A team bokkes are rested enough foe their next game
oh wait, they finished their season WEEKS ago
lmfao.
24 Oct 2011, 21:19 pm
Are you allowed to say d.o.o.s on this board?
24 Oct 2011, 21:24 pm
@All Blacks – World Champions for A4Ys(poppa69)-247: Where did you crawl out from under?
24 Oct 2011, 21:27 pm
We eat our own??
24 Oct 2011, 21:28 pm
@JL1(JL1)-235: lol. I will add for free.
My Team of the Rigged World Cup (Revised)
15. Dagg
14. O Connor
13. Bosch
12. Roberts
11. North
10. Carter
9. Phillips
8. Harinord
7. Schalk
6. Pocock
5. Matfield
4. Nallet
3. Mas
2. Bismarck
1. Gurthro
24 Oct 2011, 21:36 pm
@dook(dook)-248: Aha, so it should read d o o s
24 Oct 2011, 21:37 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-251: You sure? No gold watch or preferred treatment?
24 Oct 2011, 21:38 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-251: Tell what I will do for you and your team, arrange a straight path to the semi finals, for that team, yep, that is what I will do
24 Oct 2011, 21:49 pm
@JL1(JL1)-254: The path of Champions… The WWE path?
Yessplease!
24 Oct 2011, 21:49 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-250:lmao
i can’t stop laughing at “we our own” bwahahahaha
there are sooooo many characters on this blog.
24 Oct 2011, 21:50 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-255: Tell you what, with that I will also throw in 4 refs for you, 1 ***, 1 crooked and 2 incompetent ones
24 Oct 2011, 21:51 pm
RT @being_roy_keane:
Texted SAF after the match,
slammed team’s display and
warned him RK’s waiting in the
wings. ‘F_uck off you pampered w_anker,’ came the reply.
roy keane is a funny dude!
24 Oct 2011, 21:54 pm
@JL1(JL1)-257: Yup, the WWE path… A definite… But howzabout rigging who’s who in the pools too…
24 Oct 2011, 21:58 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-259: Oh, easy peasy, lemon squeezy
After 6 RWCs we will now change to rankings instead of how teams finish at the previous RwC,howzat for you?
24 Oct 2011, 22:03 pm
OK, maybe I am going bonkers. We do eat our own!
24 Oct 2011, 22:04 pm
@JL1(JL1)-260: Thats it. Now you doing the stuff… Please ensure that the comp happens in the country of my choosing come hellorhigh water… Rain, wind or shine… whether one man and his dog comes to a couple of the matches… I don’t farken care… I want my “revenge” and I don’t give a fark what happens to rugby as a result…
A couple of re-interpretation of the laws wouldn’t go amiss either.
Thankyouverymuch.
24 Oct 2011, 22:04 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-261: We eat our girls
24 Oct 2011, 22:07 pm
Look its true France were robbed… anyone that can’t see that are just simply either blind or screwed in the head…
Paddy ‘O and Henry wanted Joubert for the final because they knew they could rely on him not to rock the boat and bring the carrot home if France had any other ideas and came to play and stepped up to the plate…
AB’s tried to put daylight between themselves and France through first half.. at one point it seemed it might happen and then it all went south at some rate of knots…
Donald came on with his huge bravado like he was going to be the AB messiah on the night and kicked a gimme penalty which was a 50/50 call at best and a gift from Craig to Richie at worst to get their show on the road and get some daylight between them and the tenacious French…
The Duck obliged and AB’s thought here we are its now pretty much a done deal..
From the resultant kick off France decided otherwise.. they chucked the kitchen sink and Piri the Weepy Ou hacked a kick through loose ball into Mermoz hands and few phases later Rougerie sent captain Dusoutoir through under the sticks for a 7 pointer…
At that point the choke was well and truly on and AB’s couldn’t actually believe it was HAPPENING AGAIN !!!
From then on they hardly saw the ball or visited French territory, it became a frantic scramble for face saving survival from minute 48 to 75.. France were all over the indestructible AB’s like a virus, Harinorduquay, Dusoutoir and Bonnaire grew like giants in stature while contrarily McCaw, Kaino and Read subsequently became reduced to damage limitation operatives at the breakdown.
Rougerie and Mermoz were having a field day through the midfield and busting through Nonu and Smith with punitive ease while Yachvili and Trinh Duc were having their way with Weepu, Ellis and Donald.
AB’s were on the rack and it showed to such extent they were being rattled and manhandled like rag dolls at the jaws of a tenacious pack of pit bull terriers…
The dreaded choke was transpiring before their gaping minds and the rugby worlds disbelieving eyes..
So what to do when the inevitable is staring you in the face and you going down to your familiar nemesis once more again..? resort to despair and go for broke and play the illegal sealing and illegitimate contesting off feet at breakdown limit and pray the gods of mercy will abide and turn a blind eye this time…
Into the breach steps Craig Joubert.. he allows numerous illegal ruck ball contests before his eyes including high tackles and scrum infringements to go unpunished all within strike range of AB goal posts and France get blown out the last man standing contest and AB’s get out of jail…
Was simply too great a precipice to send the IRB darlings down and Craig Joubert could not see himself as the catalysis that would end the IRB fairy tale.. so he obliged.. he turned a blind eye and allowed the Richie in Wonderland hatched story to have its desired end… at the cost of fair play and integrity and at the cost of the bitter and sold out double dealt French…
24 Oct 2011, 22:10 pm
gonna watch a repeat of this game on SABC 2 and give my review and findings from another glance at the episode that turned into a Craig Joubert and IRB inspired gift to the hosts..
24 Oct 2011, 22:11 pm
Can there be any doubt now that Piet Van Zyl is the rule rather than an exception?
24 Oct 2011, 22:11 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-262: Special discount then for you to host this RWC, not the obscene amounts that I charge France or England to host the Cup, a special price for you
How does that sound?
I wil also get my mate, Paddy, to sort out these laws.I can change the laws to suit you anytime, if you catch my drift
What about the ball?should not have a new ball design that no man and his dog can kick with, well maybe those damn Saffas will nt master this ball in time
24 Oct 2011, 22:15 pm
must say this Hayley W chick NZ anthem singer is one beautiful specimen of womanhood
24 Oct 2011, 22:17 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-268: She is a stunner
24 Oct 2011, 22:22 pm
@JL1(JL1)-267: What about commentators.Joel Stransky is anti SA enough to qualify??I just cant stand neutral commentators.Can you make sure we get the bias of the bias?
24 Oct 2011, 22:25 pm
@JL1(JL1)-267: Fark the Saffa’s – SARU will fark them up all by themselves and they are almost as up and down as the French… But it is wise to have a contingency plan…
The Ball is a master stroke.
24 Oct 2011, 22:28 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-264: Hellsteeth. This truly is The End of History.
I farken agree and reckon that this is the definitive post of the RWC 2011 final… 100 times better than Keo or his muppets could ever muster… Farkenbloodynice!
24 Oct 2011, 22:28 pm
And all we heard from SA last week as how Joubert was the best ref in the world.
Fark you lot change your mind. If it doesnt suit SA, then its just not worth is it?
Heavens Game: The ONLY RWC the was rigged was 1995, Frances disallowed try in Durban, the Gold Watch, the suzie thing, – it just goes to show you can spin anything you want.
24 Oct 2011, 22:30 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-270: Ok, ok, you demand a lot, but this one is on special,a real bogof,so what we will do is the following
Studio guests Francois Pienaar, he likes to suck up to others
Jonathan Davies and Jeremy Guscott for a reall one eyed Jack view
Side pitch reports from Phil Kearns, live comments by…..yes you guessed it Joel Stransky and Gareth Thomas
24 Oct 2011, 22:30 pm
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-273: Go away.!We enjoying ourselves. Don”t a WC to play with.
24 Oct 2011, 22:31 pm
@JL1(JL1)-274: You are on fire
24 Oct 2011, 22:32 pm
This proves gentlemen prefer blondes.
Lotsa salivating.
24 Oct 2011, 22:35 pm
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-273: “how Joubert was the best ref in the world.”…. Not from me. Full stop.
And SA’s disallowed try in the final… scored by Ruben the Legend or do you forget?
You okes are number 1… There I say it.
Your AB’s are World Champs… For once you won’t have a bunch ofcunts in the antipodes disputing that the World Champs and World No 1′s are not the same thing…
But I tell you one thing – the World Champs were fcked up silly in the World Cup Final… They were brutalised, battered and made to look quite ordinary compared to their opponents…
And that is undeniable.
24 Oct 2011, 22:35 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-271: Now you must remember that halfway through the tournament when things are not looking like they are working out or if the opponents are building some momentum then do the following:
Announce at a press conference that if you do not get more money ( or the RWC, wink, wink) then you will not play in the next RWC
24 Oct 2011, 22:39 pm
@JL1(JL1)-279: LOL
24 Oct 2011, 22:40 pm
@JL1(JL1)-279: The throw the toys out of the cot option!
Farken genius.
Yes, because we are entitled to everything in Rugby… Even thought the shortfall is part and parcel due to the WC not earning enough revenue in the first place…
Absolute Genius!
24 Oct 2011, 22:42 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-280: You exchange a vote for the RWC 2011
New Zealand!, They sucked up to Ireland to get their deciding vote, horse trading
This thing,this little precious, this WWE, will still not get bums on seats and halt the decline in rugby in New Zealand
24 Oct 2011, 22:44 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-281: It is after all my bat and my ball, I am New Nealand and the world owes me, remember
24 Oct 2011, 22:45 pm
Jeez, one of my funniest recollections of the final was Rougerie running over Smith and then Sunny Bowel coming in with a trademark shoulder charge and just bouncing off, ineffective…
Schweet.
24 Oct 2011, 22:46 pm
@JL1(JL1)-283: Yes. Its my “revenge” to be had for been so hard done by…
24 Oct 2011, 22:50 pm
So let me run through your shopping lis:
Host country, home games, check
Pools arrangement, check
Special balls, check
New laws, check
Dodgy refs, check
Toys out of the cot, check
One eyed commentators and hats, check
Did I miss anything?
24 Oct 2011, 22:53 pm
@JL1(JL1)-286: Yes. It has to be obligatory for everyone who is anyone to state that it is the “Best World Cup Ever” and facts be damned.
Also if an opposing team puts one wrong foot forward and actually is stupid enough to advance on my team’s haka then we fine the living daylights out of them.
24 Oct 2011, 22:57 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-264: skop, you take what you can get away with. the following is as close as you will get to the ABs admitting their fortune late in that game.
kaino plays it smart
here was a moment late in the
World Cup final at Eden Park on
Sunday night when Jerome Kaino
thought about a daring raid on
some prime French ruck ball.
But then the impressive New
Zealand blindside flanker
computed the field position, the
stage of the game and the score.
In essence, if he’d been pinged by
referee Craig Joubert he could
have given up the penalty that
handed the World Cup to France.
So Kaino resisted the urge to
swoop, kept his hands clean and
relied on his team-mates to
continue making tackles.
It was a decision typical of this
mature New Zealand effort as
Richie McCaw and his men ground
out an 8-7 victory that saw them
absorb a mountain of pressure
from the French in the second
half.
Graham Henry admitted
afterwards that it was a final his
team probably would not have
won four years ago. But this group
is made of stern stuff, and
decisions like Kaino’s have now
become the norm.
“That could have turned ball over
but not hearing the ref, not
knowing what was going on, if I
was legal or not, I thought I’d just
leave it alone because I didn’t
want a penalty in front of the
posts,” he said.
Asked if he could have lived with
himself had he given up a defining
score like that, Kaino could only
smile knowingly.
“I don’t think I could have. I would
have had to move somewhere
they don’t know me.”
The Auckland flanker has been a
master presence fom
24 Oct 2011, 22:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-287: How dare they!!
It is our marketing trick and that is how we gain more fans, Sacre Bleu, those insolent French rugby players
I will make sure they pay for that, at least £10 000, how does that sound, and to make sure it all looks above board, I will arrange that a French player gets the award fro the best player of the year
24 Oct 2011, 23:02 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-287: Hey, but it was the best RwC ever, was it not?
24 Oct 2011, 23:02 pm
what the above post does not say skop is that kaino lost his footing as his right knee touched the turf, he found his feet again, saw the ball between the french players legs – ruck formed – picked it up & knocked it on. next thing craig is waiving his arms “ball is out” & ABs are contesting and french momentum is lost.kaino can indeed consider himself lucky!
24 Oct 2011, 23:04 pm
@JL1(JL1)-289: Yeah, but it all seems a bit petty and obvious…. Bah, I’m sure the players will contribute from their match fee with pleasure to pay that fine. Naah, for me that is where I diverge from the blueprint… I will rather ban the offending team for 6 months at least.
And I want it all – Best Player of the year is for one of MY team members… It is my goddammed entitlement.
24 Oct 2011, 23:06 pm
@JL1(JL1)-290: Yes it was… Help me with how to justify why it is… Maybe higher TV audience in Australia?
24 Oct 2011, 23:07 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-292: My but you drive a hard bargain
Ok advancing team banned for 6 months and the Hakak gets copyright.
Player of the year will from a list of six, all from NZ
24 Oct 2011, 23:11 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-293: It was because you sold 400 000 tickets less than in 2007 RWC, and viewership in Europe was down compared to 2007
And tourists were also down from 500 000 in 2007 to a mere 90 000 in 2011. So all in all great RWC
You did I’ve the locals a warm fuzzy feeling though and free drinks to all the journos
24 Oct 2011, 23:13 pm
@JL1(JL1)-294: Either 6 months or a fine that covers the 12 mill shortfall as a consequence of MY team competing in MY tournament… That’ll farken teach them.
Yes, you have the player of the year nominees just about right.
And one more thing… From now on the Webb Ellis Cup never leaves Godsown, no matter who wins any future Rigged World Cups… It is our precccciousssss… Other “winners” can have a small copy, like the Ashes trophy…
24 Oct 2011, 23:18 pm
latest out of nz:mccaw was eye-gouged by french players & IRB player if the year recipient thierry dusautoir was french player close by.
24 Oct 2011, 23:21 pm
@JL1(JL1)-295: Fckright! The Best World Cup Ever, I tell you… It must be continually repeated… enough times, and it may be thought of as gospel truth.
We also need a movie made of the World Cup like the one of the stupid yarpies… Maybe Robert De Niro as Piri-Piri Weepu, the Rock as Kaino, Al Pacino as Graham Henry, Jason Donovan as Brad Thorne (He is tall) and Dustin Hoffman as Ritchie (They both have Club foot)… The movie will be directed by Pierre Woodman…
Matt Damon, Morgan Freeman and Clint Eastwood are banned from being involved or even allowed in the country because they made a movie of a far inferior World Cup…
24 Oct 2011, 23:23 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-298: Rocco Siffredi can be the ref in this movie… Nobody screws anyone better.
24 Oct 2011, 23:24 pm
This is why the ABs had to win
Equally, the $30 million shortfall in expected ticket sales will seem to the average person a cue to strike some discount deals. But the IRB is not attuned to the concept. Given this organisation is so hard-nosed, it even expected to be able to dictate what colour T-shirts our volunteer hosts will wear (that we, not the IRB, would pay for), we can expect no quarter to be given on the financial front.
None of which is the fault of any politician. On the contrary, there would have been a popular uprising had the previous Government said no to hosting the RWC. But it is an ugly position for any Government to be in – essentially in the power of a commercially focused, fantastically wealthy and utterly unsentimental sporting franchise. (And let’s not overlook that Labour – again inadvertently – saddled this Government with a contractual obligation to give Team New Zealand $36 million for the next America’s Cup bid.)
The political risk may be marginalised by the infectious hoopla about to erupt. Prime Minister John Key’s perma-photo-op life will move to a new gear, with not just sports stars, but legions of world statespeople and celebs likely to waft into shoulder-rubbing orbit. It’s possible British Prime Minister David Cameron and French Prime Minister Nicolas Sarkozy could head this way, among other luminaries – United Nations chief Ban Ki-moon already having been confirmed. But this happy hobnobbing could come in unfortunate juxtaposition if ugliness flares over price-gouging, or monstering of harmless small-business proprietors.
And although it’s probably not widely realised, the honour of hosting such tournaments is rarely matched by the riches. What taxpayers are shelling out is not even close to being offset by the wealth the event is likely to generate.
The Reserve Bank is sticking with its estimate of $700 million in extra spending, which sounds like a bonanza. But the other side of the ledger is the crowding-out of other tourists’ spending, and all the extra money that will have been spent on imported goods to service the extra tourist influx. The cost to the taxpayer is officially estimated to be over $300 million, and there is no way the revenue generated far and wide by the event will find its way directly back to the taxpayer in any meaningful quantities. Ticket sales are expected to return well over $200 million – but not to us. The cost to Auckland ratepayers alone will have topped $100 million by the close of play – notwithstanding “unforeseen circumstances”.
Although hotels, restaurants, cafes, taxis and shops will experience a boom and thereby pay more GST and income tax, the money-go-round is more centrifugal in impact than circular. The Government will be out of pocket for the cost of a bloody great party, at the very time it is axing jobs, cutting budgets and tightening the screws on beneficiaries, and asking to be re-elected. Again, not its fault, and no reasonable person could propose the counterfactual, of a “no thanks” to the event back in 2005. But horrible, horrible timing.
And that’s not even factoring in the worst-case scenario. A loss. To Australia. We’d all be wearing black if that happened, including the sponsors. Key blithely assures us research has found no correlation between governmental fortunes and major sports tournament results worldwide. But there is madness in the air. It is now possible to buy “limited edition!” nappies with All Blacks logos on. You don’t have to be a Wiccan to worry that is tempting fate with unfortunate symbolism.
Can anything be ruled out? Surely a case can be made for holding the Government responsible for an All Blacks loss – perhaps because it has fostered the kind of society in which $200-plus replica jerseys, abstinence campaigns and Sonny Bill Williams are possible?
This writer will be as dippy and doting as the next person when the event is under way. But it’s going to be hard to forget the feeling of being had rather cheaply over the IRB’s revelation there are in fact two William Webb Ellis trophies, of identical manufacture and equal status. This is like finding out there have secretly been two Koh-i-noor diamonds all along, or a spare Shroud of Turin; or that the statue of David has a body double. At that rate, I vote we tell the world that was Sean Fitzpatrick’s evil twin in the obscene pink thing.
24 Oct 2011, 23:25 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-297: Did Richie not knee a French player? Surely not
24 Oct 2011, 23:31 pm
“You can’t have a World Cup without the All Blacks, without any of the top nations. They’ve all got to be there just to make it a legit World Cup,” wing Richard Kahui told reporters.
24 Oct 2011, 23:32 pm
@JL1(JL1)-301: Are you utterly farken crazy. No chance…
You must be a flat earther or a believer that the World Cup was rigged of refs are corrupt… Same thing anyway.
Madness!!!
24 Oct 2011, 23:36 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-303: What was I thinking
Parra, bumped his head against the great New Zealand RWC 2011 fuzzy feeling, that must have been it. MR McCaw is nt inclined to ht anyone with the knee, no way, a scholar and a gentleman…that never cheats
24 Oct 2011, 23:42 pm
New Zealand Rugby Union chairman Mike Eagle has confirmed they want IRB chairman Bernard Lapasset out and will be voting for his rival Bill Beaumont.
It is believed that Ireland, England, Wales and Scotland along with New Zealand are behind Beaumont, while Lapasset has the support of France, Italy, South Africa, Argentina and Australia.
This means that minnows Asia, Africa, North America and Europe, have become the king-makers in this epic power struggle.
Whoever wins out eventually, it is certain that it will take a long time for the wounds to heal from this fight.
”What they’ve got to do is put self-interest aside and look at the game,” said Eagle. (!!!!????)
”We’re all here for rugby, not for self-interest, so let’s start with that. (!!!!????)
”Put all of the issues we’ve got in front of us, put self interests behind us and actually go forward as a group. (!!!!????)
”Do the best thing for a game, rather than the best thing for individual countries. (!!!!????)
”If we don’t all give a wee bit then things are never going to go ahead and we need to actually look to the future of the game.
”The only way we can go forward is if we decide what’s best for world rugby.”
(!!!!????)
Can you believe these farken people…????
24 Oct 2011, 23:43 pm
So much fishing and no bites.
Maybe some new bait?
24 Oct 2011, 23:49 pm
“New Zealand are the first host nation to win the World Cup in the professional era and they did it with their fourth choice at flyhalf, Stephen Donald, for the final 45 minutes.”
Just the 1 sentence and yet puts so many pathetic jibes, here, over the years to the sword in 1 clean swipe.
25 Oct 2011, 00:01 am
you 2 boys playing nicely i see, well spare a thought 4 little old me. I that is me is the bravest person i know.
Am watching my toons readying 4 sleep when out the corner of my eye i see a large thing on the wall not even a meter away from me. Was a huge horrible big enormous spider. When it registered what i was looking at my chest went hollow and i cud actually feel and hear my heart thumping. Got a ververver large deep container and got it in useing an eggflip. When it thuded in i just wanted 2 run around screaming. I am so petrified of those hidious things. Have taken photos 2 show hub and friends cos none will believe me. Am of 2 walk dogs outside now, will never sleep.
25 Oct 2011, 00:16 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-278: Agree with all of that, and I knew excatly the French were going to front up. Our fulcrum was f’d, Weepu was all out of sorts, and like a cancer, it spread to many parts of the team. Yes, we were effected by the occassion, and yes, we played awful rugby, and yes the French also played awful rugby – but it was better than many predicted by France, and despite of all this, we hung on, and we won.
A drop goal could have won it – like it did for SA in 1995. Sport is cruel in this sense, for the winner it is all glory, the loser , well,… and yet, it can be decided by such small margins
25 Oct 2011, 01:51 am
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-243: Good to ‘hear’ from you again. Amazing. We were 10 expats watching here in US, urging for a NZ win, and 1 Saffa on a 1 week visit, urging France on.
So does this mean as soon as you leave SA for good, you start seeing what’s good for the global game as a whole, as opposed to getting bogged down in this petty fighting against whoever is best?
I AM GENERALIZING, AND ALSO PUTTING OUT SOME BAIT.
But I do have a point…
25 Oct 2011, 02:03 am
JL1
decline in NZ rugby??
ABs world champs
woman world champs
juniors world champs
such decline there. oh you were talking crowd numbers were you?
bwahaga how the mighty have fallen
still, what to expect from supporters of the team that came eight.
SA rugby IS k@k!!!!
25 Oct 2011, 03:08 am
okay okay okay Saffers – I have had enough of your bleating, harping, whingeing and outright dissing of NZ and the AB’s, get OVER IT losers, you were good enough to beat Australia but you didnt – end of story mate. We still remain the only unbeaten tem in RWC 2011….so we won by 1 point, I can say this for sure, the AB’s who played that game will remember it for how tough and close it was rather than if it had been a blow-out as everyone was predicting, even one that is except for the AB’s. Saffers have short memories, your Team was doomed after the 2007 Cup, deservedly won. But then it was downhill from there, you fired Jake White and where is he now, coaching the Brumbies and I am sure they will be much more improved next year. But back to the AB’s and winning the Cup, yes we will lose some good players who are on the wrong side of 29-30 but we have good replacements coming up, after all we are the U-20′s world champs and have been so for 4 years….so we wont be losing sleep on who to bring in to the AB masterclass of players and have them ready for RWC 2015, but as for SA I see nothing but heartache, in-fighting and politics, the bane of your game. Some would have us believe the players like Pierre Spies is top of the class, YEAH RIGHT, built like Tarzan and plays like Jane, Bismark is light years ahead of the marshmellow. Yes you have some good players, but you lack the skills sets to win consistently like the AB’s do. So please spare us any more of your moaning and just say, WE WEREN’T GOOD ENOUGH THIS TIME ROUND, take a break from your protestations about refs just suck it up boys, 4 more years and who knows you may not even make the quarters….wow that would be something incredible. WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD…..
25 Oct 2011, 03:50 am
@All Blacks – World Champions for A4Ys(poppa69)-311:
SA rugby IS k@k!!!!
Pops, you are spending waaaay to much time on a Saffa blog
Congrat on your team, enjoy the moment.
25 Oct 2011, 04:01 am
cheers Slarti
just a bit of fun mate. it’s only a game. 2011 WC for me personally will always be just a sad reminder unfortunately.
25 Oct 2011, 04:10 am
@All Blacks – World Champions for A4Ys(poppa69)-314:
Pops yes, it is just a game but boy can it drag us in sometimes!
I think I missed it but did your Mother pass away recently? If so my very belated condolences on that.
25 Oct 2011, 05:24 am
@All Blacks – World Champions for A4Ys(poppa69)-314: Hey Pops, I read your ma passed away. That is sad, and as you say, the RWC will have a bitter sweet taste there for you forever.
May she RIP, and may you enjoy what our team has provided for us.
Kia Kaha ! (Forever Be Strong)
25 Oct 2011, 06:24 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-298: @JL1(JL1)-294: You two guys were absolutely hilarious.This should make it to the hall of fame.Excellent.Good medicine.Now I will sleep better.Good night.
25 Oct 2011, 06:52 am
aah just another day with kiwi idiots on everybody elses sites trying to tell all and sundry how they must think and talk about the abs bless.If you dont like the bleating harping whingeing and outright dissing of nz and the abs,piss off.
25 Oct 2011, 07:08 am
Hi saffies. Ahhhh. Day 3 of being A Champ and I must say it feels rather nice ,sort of a warm fuzzy feeling,the flowers smell slightly sweeter,food seems to taster slightly better,I could get used to this. Anyway how are you Springbok fans today…..oh sorry it’s not the Springboks any more is it,it’s that weird flowery thing,the Protea is that what it’s called,funny, sounds like some sort of disease,Oh hello doctor I think I’ve got a bad dose of the Proteas.
Anyway Saffies,I’ll let you get back to your bitter biltong and leave you to contemplate The mighty Proteas finishing 8th in a Rugby world cup….poor show Saffies
25 Oct 2011, 07:19 am
319.bokke baiter
aaah day 3 of listening to bad winners after havig to listen to bad losers four the previous 20 yrs aaah bless.
25 Oct 2011, 07:21 am
@JL1(JL1)-302: So that makes ’87 and ’91….
25 Oct 2011, 07:24 am
@bokke baiter(bokke baiter)-319:
Yes, yes, we know the feeling well !!!!!!
We get to experience it a bit more often than every 24 years, enjoy it while you can, you will probably have passed on by the time AB’s win it again !!
25 Oct 2011, 07:29 am
well well…gloaters and moaners galore.
Well done ABs – enjoy it!
As for SA, lets hope whoever coaches the boks starts by targeting a win in every game, not throwing certain competitions for something that comes along every 4 years.
Hell, this RWC proved that anything can happen, whether by your own actions or those of others.
25 Oct 2011, 07:44 am
So Rassie has said no, and it seems AC is a maybe, man o man….only the English rugby administration is in a worst state than ours
Now if we can get someone like Todd Blackadder….mmmmm, now that guy can coach
25 Oct 2011, 07:57 am
Choked and still won, well done abs, maybe the first country to regain the cup…….?
25 Oct 2011, 07:58 am
Repent! Repent! Fall on your knees before Saint Richie or burn in hell all you blasphemous sinners!
25 Oct 2011, 08:02 am
retain i mean
25 Oct 2011, 08:17 am
What did one World Champ say to the other World Champ?
Let’s get some fush and chups
That’s right,cause they were Kiwis
25 Oct 2011, 08:20 am
@slavedriver(slavedriver)-318:
You make a very salient point.
25 Oct 2011, 08:37 am
I do have to say that the boasting by some AB supporters is getting nauseous.
However, I also note the majority of non AB supporters are giving only grudging congratulations when they dismiss the result as either lucky or based firmly on corruption.
25 Oct 2011, 08:43 am
@Brads(Brads)-330:
Some here, make being a gracious winner very difficult Brads.
Very difficult indeed.
25 Oct 2011, 08:44 am
Just read that the French team was fined for approaching the Haka in the manner that they did.
Now its confirmed (in my mind) that the IRB as backed by the precious Kiwis have all gone crazy not to mention precious about the Haka. Its a war dance and call to battle FFS why should other teams just have to stand there (as they normally do) and accept it whilst the gesture to cut throats etc etc
This coupled with the reffing debacle and the constant threat of NZ not to participate next time around etc etc is all just too much boys. It is starting to look like FIFA but everyone is playing with a different shape set of balls.
25 Oct 2011, 08:50 am
@All Blacks – World Champions for A4Ys(poppa69)-311: SA Rugby is k*k? So we puped the AB’s the last time we played, we have both won the WC twice, although we have had two less chances, we white washed the AB’s in 2009…..not sure you know the arse from your elbow son.
25 Oct 2011, 08:52 am
@kesbok(kesbok)-332:
Reading and comprehension is not a single skill.
25 Oct 2011, 09:08 am
334 – the point you are making is???
25 Oct 2011, 09:09 am
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-333:
“not sure you know the arse from your elbow son.”
The SARU Trophy Cabinet:
The Mandela Hubcap…………………………….gone.
The Freedom Cup…………………………gone.
Tri Nations…………………………………..gone.
Bill…………………………………………………gone.
World 7′s Series…………………………..gone.
S15…………………………………………………..gone.
SA’s IRB World ranking: Just dropped to 4.
REF Whining Rating;
SA whined about Ref in SA/Samoa Game.
SA whined about Ref in SA/ Australia Game.
Saffas whine about REF, like nauseated snivelling crybabies when AB’s win WC.
etc, etc, etc, etc,……………………..
Old Pops might know a bit more than you give him credit for.
25 Oct 2011, 09:12 am
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-336:
Oooops I nearly forgot;
SA 8= at 2011WC.
25 Oct 2011, 09:14 am
@JohnPaul(JohnPaul)-312: JohnPaul did you take your daily dose of arrogance this morning? It’s an indictment of your intellect that you cannot see that there are a lot of genuine rugby saffas on this site who have praised the AB’s and agreed that the win s fully deserved. Pity you are not one of those honest salt of the earth kiwi’s who respet the old rivalry…..plonker.
25 Oct 2011, 09:16 am
@bokke baiter(bokke baiter)-319: Geez, really want to make reference to what a cr*p bucket of a country NZ is but that would be unfair to all kiwis….so I guess i just won’t
25 Oct 2011, 09:25 am
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-331: I hear you, but some on here also make being a gracious loser difficult
25 Oct 2011, 09:28 am
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-336: Well as it has been stated by many kiwi’s on this site, it’s not all about the cups it’s also about form in between cups….using that logic, if SA Rugby is so k*k then how is it that two years ago we white washed you and beat you in our last meeting? That would by default make AB rugby k*k as well wouldn’t it? Hence the “arse from elbow” analogy
25 Oct 2011, 09:29 am
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-337: I may be setting myself up here (didn’t get my does of stats this morning) but how is it that we ended up 8th at the WC?
25 Oct 2011, 09:30 am
I am looking forward to SA appointing a new coach with a vision to putting out a team where the supporters actually believe they will win every match they contest and the opposition are genuine in their words of respect.
2009 was a pretty special year for SA, but this is 2011.
Crumbling in 2010 from the heights of 2009 and sliding further in 2011 must have been painful.
Next time, say it as it is, when the team is in decline, don’t allow the management to dismiss it as building for a trophy that has proven to be a lottery.
25 Oct 2011, 09:36 am
Excuses such as building toward the WC is a cop out and is an insult to the Springbok. When you play a rugby test you play your best and you play to win knowing that you cannot fall back on excuses. The Boks used to be that way many years ago. WC success has meant that coaches can keep the fans at bay in the hope that success is replicated every four years. No more. Not negotiable.
25 Oct 2011, 09:41 am
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-342:
Based on points from the pool matches for the teams that went out in the quarter finals, the result would be
5th SA
6th England
7th Wales
8th Argentina
25 Oct 2011, 09:42 am
@Alucard(Alucard)-47:
“I wish New Zealand many tremors the next four years”
181 people die in the Christchurch earthquake and you make jokes about it on a rugby blog.
You sad, sad little man.
I genuinely pity you.
What an introverted existence you must live.
25 Oct 2011, 09:59 am
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-336: A bit harsh surely. Roll back the clock 4 years and kiwi’s were bemoaning a certain reffing decision. Maybe we should discuss our loss at parliamentary level.
Congratulations on the victory, but surely applied commen sense once the euphoria has settled down will bring you the realisation that reffing was indeed poor at this worldcup and SA like the Blacks in 2007 suffered as a result of one of those poorly officiated games.
Like any true All Black supporter surely you want to win against the best without any refference at all to reffing blunders like I would have liked in 2007. You can only play what is in front of you though so on that basis, well done.
Since you are about making silly statements how about any team can win in their own backyard….. yawn!!!
Maybe time to be objective and relish the fatc that you are world champs.
25 Oct 2011, 10:12 am
Just watched the final again. Abs defense in the second half was punishing. Forced the French into a lot o mistakes and aimless kicking. Unfortunately, the ab’s were panicked into a lot of bad kicking themselves. I guess that is finals rugby.
Joubert could have penalized the ab’s a few more times than he did, but ditto the french. Particularly entry from the side of the Ruck and kicking at the ball – eg nallet I think it was kicked the ball out of the Rick that led to France’s try.
There were also plenty of cheap shots by the French, punches and knees to the head – a particularly blunt example being the clearly intentional knee to reads head in the second half.
In short, all if this rubbish about Joubert being biaised isnt remotely justified when the tape is watched closely if anything, he should have penalized te French a lot harder.
Before one of you saffas have to point it out – yes I agree it was an illegal entry to the side of the bokke ruck that led to the Aussie try against you. How Lawrence and his touchy failed to pick it up, i don’t know.
25 Oct 2011, 10:17 am
@corporal punishment(corporal punishment)-348: I reckon the IRB should bring back rucking and allow teams to boss the breakdowns themselves, that will create more of a contest and leave a wee bit less to the ref. A lot of people are having a go at Macaw, but he plays to the way the ref is blowing, that’s simply a class player with a lot of anticipation and grey matter, I know we would love to have him in our side!
25 Oct 2011, 10:20 am
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-342:
SA made the QF’s.
i.e. You made the last eight.
Therefore 8th equal.
A harsh way of calculating things I know. Could be 5th =.
BWTF, I prefer to be on the harsh side when evaluating the accomplishments of the Boks. I know you Guys don’t want any false credit.
8)
25 Oct 2011, 10:21 am
@pie eater(pie eater)-347:
I agree to a point.
The ref does influence the game, but 15 men on the park are the masters of their own destiny.
Back in 2007, NZ failed to take points opportunities in the misguided arrogance that could do better with tries.
NZ Owned the first half of the match on Sunday, but missed kick after kick. We were all over the French but failed to put on points.
The second half was all France, no question. But just like the 1st half, kicks missed, opportunities were spilled and NZ were in front at the end.
Everyone rabbits on about the match lasts 80 minutes, and the other one, that defence wins RWC’s.
Well that is exactly what happended. The points needed to win were scored inside the 80 minutes, and defence won the match.
25 Oct 2011, 10:21 am
@corporal punishment(corporal punishment)-348:
Ritchie stomped and gouged in the last 5 minutes.
He told Joubert as much himself.
25 Oct 2011, 10:26 am
@corporal punishment(corporal punishment)-348: Corporal, I too have watched the game numerous times and honestly don’t believe that Craig Joubert was biased – though imo he did allow more things to go in the second half and missed quite a few high tackles and at one stage wasn’t even reffing the offside line. The breakdown as we all know and as Francois Pienaar even commented could be argued any way by any decent barrister / lawyer, though to an independent it did seem to me like the French were slightly unlucky in the second half with many of his calls. Let us not forget he is also meant to be assisted by the touch judges so they too can assist. That folk on this site suggest Craig gave the Blacks the cup is silly though he did not have his best day on the field imo.
I am not sure we would even be having this discussion if Weepu made all his penalty kicks in the first half since th game would have most probably been out of reach for the Frogs; however like in any close game people are disecting the finer points which are mute any way as the Blacks are deserved WC champions regardless of all the rhetoric.
For me though on the day the French looked the better team and the Blacks went into their shells and seemed impotent for most of the last 40 minutes. The result says a different story though and we all need to respect that.
25 Oct 2011, 10:26 am
@ skeppie, yep, the ruck is a mess. Also, having a greater contest would commit more forwards to the breakdown rather than encouraging sides to fan put all their loosies in defense a la the final.
25 Oct 2011, 10:27 am
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-352:
He has since pulled back and said he doesn’t know whether it was intential or accidental.
TV footage is not clear, so when the “victim” recants, I suggest we should just leave it there.
What is certain, McCaw is not taking it further and has not laid a complaint.
25 Oct 2011, 10:29 am
Ps McCaw didn’t play much of a fetcher roll this year. The ab’s seemed a lot keener to either drive over the ball, or fan out in a wall and try to put on offensive tackles to create turnovers. It seemed to work, but i find it pretty negative when it is your on tactic (as it was for us in the second half)
25 Oct 2011, 10:29 am
*only
25 Oct 2011, 10:34 am
@ pie eater, fair comments. I think it was so close, I don’t think we could have complained had France won it. Bit like 95 really – two very strong teams cancelled each other out.
Agree with your comment that Joubert was quite liberal in second half
25 Oct 2011, 10:39 am
@corporal punishment(corporal punishment)-348:
nothing like ritchies knee to the head that put parra to sleep like a drunken sailor though?
25 Oct 2011, 10:39 am
@Brads(Brads)-355:
The probability of the Gouging by Rogourie about 90%.
The reality of the stomping by Dusautior 100%.
( And just to show it was no accident, immediately after the stamp, he simply stood on Ritchie. With all his weight.)
25 Oct 2011, 10:42 am
@ 359 Gunther: didn’t look intentional to me, and richie has no history of dirty play (unlike the French players mentioned above).
25 Oct 2011, 10:47 am
My roll call of kiwis who won’t be in the team at the 2015 WC: thorn, mealamu, woodcock, richie, both Williams, nonu, Conrad, weepu, Jane, hore. I doubt either Thompson or Kaino will make it easier.
Will be a huge challenge for the ab’s to manage the exit of those players over the next 4 years, and keep up the winning record. I can feel the boks and Aussies circling already!
25 Oct 2011, 10:52 am
@corporal punishment(corporal punishment)-361:
oh ok.
if you say it didn’t look intentional thats good enough for me
25 Oct 2011, 10:56 am
One thing that I find quite amazing is the way a lot of people have spoken to me about the game..in particular Ozzies. Alot of its been ” man you were so lucky” and France were the better team on the night. …Really?
Glass half full or half empty?
Maybe the French were lucky that Piri’s boot was off and we left 11 points at that point on the field. Had we been successful with the boot our lead would have been reasonable at 17 to open the game up a bit and play to our strengths. That didnt happen and the French were able to stay in touch, but as I said earlier, the planned forward game against Argentina and other forms of live training paid dividends and we were able to defend our fortress. We had drilled every facet of our play and proved beyond a doubt that it was the French that were unable to capitalize on their luck due to our ability…….and didn’t they hate that mes amis ?…exactly what they did to us four years ago we repaid it with interest.
25 Oct 2011, 10:58 am
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-350: HAHAHA, well that’s an interesting way of describing our WC campaign…..we would say daylight robbed and the kiwi’s simply “ya came 8th mate”. Oh well to the victor go the spoils I suppose.
25 Oct 2011, 11:05 am
@corporal punishment(corporal punishment)-361: Yeah, Ritchie Macaw may be a sly rugby player but definitely not the dirty type, to be honest he seems like a stand up guy on and off the field similar to Schalk Burger
25 Oct 2011, 11:11 am
@corporal punishment(corporal punishment)-362:
Plenty of young men staying on CP:
The Franks Boys,
The Whitelock Boys.
Cruden.
Dagg,
Jane (26 now).
Toeava.
Boric,
Kahui,
Guildford,
Slade,
Vito,
When one door closes, another one opens.
25 Oct 2011, 11:13 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-364:
True CF,
Froggies lucky Peri had the worst game of his life.
8)
25 Oct 2011, 11:14 am
Joubert didn’t stop play when french players were down injured, even awarding a free kick for wasting time. But when cruden got injured and saint richie was down he stopped play. Special treatment for gods gift to rugby.
25 Oct 2011, 12:28 pm
@Dwis(Dwis)-369:
Clear as day Dwis.
France should tell the IRB to go to hell with their petty fine – or else scribble the cheque, spit on it, wipe their arse with it and send it by sea mail two years later. This fine is outrageous and beneath contempt.
Eales runs that show (with full cooperation from O’Brien) – and will never be forgiven or forgotten for his stitch-up of Bakkies agains the Lions – when even the Lions coach (Gatland) publicly said the charges were ridiuclous … these people have disgraced the game, are corrupt to the core and should be fired.
If people can’t confront the Haka it should also be banned ….
25 Oct 2011, 13:09 pm
@corporal punishment(corporal punishment)-358: France in a one off game were superb though their run in the WC was a disgrace. It would have made a mockery of rugby if the World champs had lost 2 games, especailly if one of those was to a minow. The only unbeaten team in the worldcup won which was great.
PS …Should have been the boks though:)
25 Oct 2011, 13:21 pm
@pie eater(pie eater)-371:
France will always be like that – anywhere between terrible and genius. If they weren’t they wouldn’t be France and world rugby is richer for it. I agree with Larence Dalgallio that they are the best in the world on their day … and the non-predictability of it is absolutely fascinating to those of us who revel in the intellect of the game. They shouldn’t be penalized for who they are – let’s not forget they were written off as underdogs without hope and they so nearly won that game – I would have cheered and said all that came before was irrelevant.
The other thing you should bear in mind is that the Boks and possibly AB’s are the only teams to survive weekly physicality of test rugby – northern hemisphere countries don’t have that and in a knock-out competition have to keep petrol in the tank; it could be argued that France did this very well, doing just enough to get to the final so that they could come out fresh and firing which they did, big time. They were colossal on the day and symbolized their dominance by the set-piece push that broke the Kiwi scrum and got them the penalty (which Traille should have kicked).
25 Oct 2011, 13:34 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-50:
Keep sucking.
The French cockerel just loves it and you get to do something useful with your mouth for a change.
25 Oct 2011, 13:44 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-63:
How many games have the Boks won out of the last seven against the Wallabies?
You are crying because the Wallabies stuffed your Boks up with the gloves off.
Keep crying PussyBoy, it’s music to our ears.
25 Oct 2011, 13:50 pm
Looks like the same old few are still crying.
But what gets me is a South African said on here that he hoped NZ had more tremors/quakes, yet no one even batters an eye lid or says anything.
Really is this what living in South Africa does to you?
Someone does wrong or says wrong it gets swept under the carpet.
I would never hope for a country to go through what i went through in these earthquakes.
Alucard, i hope you family does not have to go through anything like that at all.
Can you magine, no communication, cant get home as roads and bridges are collaped. You can only walk out of the city and walk pass a couple of people with sheets over them, all the time you cant get a hold of your kids for over 4 hours.
I suggest you keep off this blog for a while, cause honestly your a piece of **** thats needs to be taught a good lesson.
25 Oct 2011, 14:07 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-375: just shows his class – i am sure this is an idiot lookin for attention
25 Oct 2011, 14:46 pm
@Inevitable(Inevitable)-373: Talking about mouths and cockerels, I wonder how Bryce and Craig Joubert are after their lone bukkake session with Paddy…
25 Oct 2011, 14:50 pm
@Inevitable(Inevitable)-374: Nope, I correct you…
“….because Bryce stuffed your Boks up with the gloves off.”…. There you go… The inept Wobblies had farkall to do with it, especially considering their embarrassing capitulation against the ABs in the Semi…
The Argies provided more of a match against the AB’s
And the French… they were better in the Final.
25 Oct 2011, 15:06 pm
Donald’s kick in the final……hmmmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=DYGzHYxMPxE
25 Oct 2011, 16:41 pm
#Heavens Game and #JL1. And yet you prove me right. You eat your own. You are not gracious in defeat and you couldn’t credit anyone other than someone that comes from your expert rugby opinion. #JL1 your over-analysis is brilliant. I actually enjoy some of your points but geez dood it must be hard for you when everything is a conspiracy! The tablets helped me, now I can just enjoy a game. And why am I a turn coat? Your vast understanding of game theory and systems analysis should lead you to understand that the whole world is involved in a game and that countries are a mere ploy to keep us pinned against each other. As long as we nod and play along in this game we have a financial system that they want us to have and we are dissolved in the illusion that we maintain our own race
. Making us all racists 
. So to call me unpatriotic you call yourself a racist. I will live inside your faces!
25 Oct 2011, 17:33 pm
@rocopoco(rocopoco)-380: Dont try sound clever, my boy… It doesn’t suit you… Just be yourself, a dumfk Cape Crusader… You will have friends here…
25 Oct 2011, 20:45 pm
so Donald’s penalty kick was actually out.. I kinda wondered about it when it was kicked whether he might have missed but then the flags went up so I assumed the officials spotted it right… but did they? or this just another little cherry to add to the icing on the rigged outcome to save face for the IRB darlings to finally get their precious Webb Ellis cup?
25 Oct 2011, 20:52 pm
I believe the Scientologists did it…true.
25 Oct 2011, 21:14 pm
IMPORTANT!!!! JOUBERT EXPOSED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBqetaCfgo&feature=youtu.be
25 Oct 2011, 21:15 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-375: Many told him to shut up. You’ll find many like him in other countries, including England.
25 Oct 2011, 21:19 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-384: Interesting analysis.
25 Oct 2011, 21:22 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-386: Shameful really.
25 Oct 2011, 22:06 pm
@Dwis(Dwis)-369: Don’t let the facts come between you and a good conspiracy story….
The ref didn’t stop play for the Cruden or McCaw injuries. Play was stopped because the current phase had come to an end, and the ref called time off while those players were attended to.
Joubert applied exactly the same approach to the Parra injury. Once the current phase came to an end, he called time off to allow him to attend to Parra.
As you would expect from the IRB’s No1 ref (and proclaimed as such by all of the Bok supporters before on this site before the game), Joubert handled all three of those situations EXACTLY in accordance with the rule book.
He also correctly called the French for feigning injury in order to slow the game down.
10 out of 10 to Joubert for correct application of the rules. 0/10 to Dwis for your “analysis”. Open the other eye when you are watching rugby in future.
25 Oct 2011, 22:19 pm
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-367: I agree we’ve got lots of talent to build with. It won’t be plain sailing, as loss of the old hands in key positions will cause us some problems along the way. However, I would rather they invested in new talent over the next few years than do what they did after 1987 and 1995 – keep too many of the old hands for too long which resulted in some abysmal performances once those players clapped out or retired (much as the Boks have experienced last year and this year by keeping on players well past their use by date).
Re Jane, although he is young enough, I don’t think he will be the first choice winger for too long…… He is a great all round player, and his defensive ability under the high ball was perfect for the World Cup, but I can’t see him holding his position against some of the speedsters we have coming through (he simply doesn’t have the top end gas of a Maitland or Dagg).
Apart from Dagg, there was a distinct lack of speed in the AB backline at this WC. We got away with it, just, but it was touch and go. If we had needed to chase the game in the last 20 minutes, the lack of pace out wide could have cost us as the French found it too easy to close us down.
Don’t get me wrong, I think Kahui and Jane were good selections by Henry & co. They were inherently defensive selections, but this was clearly the result of exhaustive analysis by Henry & co of what wins World Cups. I just hope that next time around, we can select players that are have those defensive qualities, but who also have top end gas (I.e. Habana in his prime).
26 Oct 2011, 00:03 am
Wooden Spoon – where are you? you must be hurting that all your support for France didnt eventuate, is that why youve been rather scarce?
HG (and Wooden Spoon) – I can understand why you guys were so vociferous in your support of the French, seems like attracts like. HG specifically, you were very vocal about some Aussie fans claiming they were spat on, what say you now that there are reports of Pascal Pape punching AND spitting on journalists in an Auckland restaurant yesterday?
seems the French have caught both yours and Spooners sour grapes virus..
dont think they or you two will ever fully recover..
26 Oct 2011, 00:05 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-375: you think Alucard will be dancing in the streets over the 7.2 earthquake that has killed close to 400 people in Turkey?
26 Oct 2011, 00:12 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-390: If they were journalists… why the fark not… Good on Pape. I was under the impression that they were paparazzi, so nothing wrong definitely.
Recover from what? I am glad I supported the better team in the Final… Started as biggest underdogs in RWC history, put played as Champions… Totally superior on the night.
26 Oct 2011, 00:38 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-392: ok, so spectators are off limits but journalists (also spectators) are fair game?
flip flop flip flop..
26 Oct 2011, 00:39 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-392:
“totally superior on the night” ??
looks at Scoreboard, again
26 Oct 2011, 00:52 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-393: You dont make sense… Not unusual though.
@poppa69(poppa69)-394: Thank Craigie for that… Nobody else…
26 Oct 2011, 01:09 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-384:
Thank you Heavens Gate – this says it all.
26 Oct 2011, 01:10 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-395: seems you have a problem IF kiwis spit on visitors (apparently) yet no problem when visitors hit and spit on kiwis?? typical, what to expect from someone like yourself though..
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-395: who would have thought a SA referee would be so corruptible? yet all and sundry were extolling the virutes of Craig the week before? flip flop indeed..
still, the ABs are World Champs for A4Y’s… hows that egg on your face boy?
26 Oct 2011, 01:14 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-397: Shame…
26 Oct 2011, 01:18 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-398: enjoy your 8th spot finish mate, so much for SA depth.. lmfao.. they should have rested those old boys for the entire 3Ns, but I guess theyve enjoyed their last two weeks of “downtime”
its great to see someone like yourself having to barrack for other teams, then the litany of excuses (repeated after your own teams failures) reiterated when your second choice also fails..
SCHWEEEEEEEEET !!
26 Oct 2011, 01:33 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-399: Always thought the AB’s were good enough to be proper World Champs but have been unlucky or just choked… I know different now. The ABs couldn’t win it on their own merit as players… everything had to be in their favour… scripted… like a WWE matchup. Hope you proud…
26 Oct 2011, 01:42 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-400: very proud..
World Champions for the NEXT 4 years… I think SARU should sell their trophy cabinet, seeing as its empty, echoes and is only collecting dust… they could save money on cleaning bills (while NZ will need to spend money to ensure bill is cleaned often)..
unlucky? since when have you claimed NZ were unlucky? 2007? nope, that was fair reffing that day apparently, but suddenly you find fault with refs now… how very odd that you can change so dramatically between the two..
26 Oct 2011, 01:49 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-401: Your ABs win but you’re still deluded…Shame. I wont judge you.
26 Oct 2011, 01:53 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-402: no delusion here… you still cant admit the ABs were robbed in 2007, worse than the Bokkes of 2011, yet you delighted in said corruption and didnt even entertain that thought until this years loss to Aussie.. whose the deluded one? kiwis talked of poor reffing then, but yourself and many others told us to hardenthefuckup.
love it, karma gets the karma chameleon..
so, “hardenthefuckup” loser.
the irony is so schweet, WCs for another 4 years.. sensational..
26 Oct 2011, 02:01 am
It must be, somewhat embarrassingly, about 7-8 years of my life that I have wasted on this blog. It has been alot of fun at times, pretty bl00dy pathetic at others. I have seen the most ridiculous behaviour from, apparently, ‘grown men’ and, on the odd occasion, been a bit ridiculous myself. What struck me is that the intermittent wind-ups only snagged those that fully-deserved to be wound up and yet the few real gentlemen here (for eg, but not exclusively, Puma, SodaJoe) never once took umbrage because they were so obviously above it and I salute them for they are, most definitely, better people than I am.
Putting some distance between ‘the blog and I’ what I can say is that, much like peoples in a real society, that positivity is infectious and fulfilling whilst negativity is contagious and damaging. I no longer wish to have even 1 small part of this precious life that we have been gifted being affected by the negativity of the few, and nor do I wish to inadvertently impart any on others. There is more to life, no ?
So today I hang up my keo’board, I retire for all eternity as a World Champion. I wish you the all the best for your respective teams, that you may enjoy the highs and lows that come with being a real fan of this wonderful sport of Rugby Union, the Game they play in Heaven. The best things in life are not those that have been gifted but, instead, those that have been earned.
It has been a blast, Ladies.
BaXXies !
26 Oct 2011, 02:53 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-404: I f this is for real, I would say it is a pity.You are part of making this an interesting site.I am not very active in writing on this site but I do read most of the posts.Yes, you are annoying at times. Not holding back when dishing it out .And you can take it on the chin.The overseas guys are making it interesting.I was looking forward in a strange way to read your comments over the next 4 years(or longer).But if you are really gone I must wish you good luck .Thank you.(This may sound a bit soft)
26 Oct 2011, 04:52 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-404:
WHAT?
Do we even get a say in this BP
If this is the case i think its a perfect time to wear the armbands
But serious if you have decided to move on what perfect time to do so. As said, your going out as a champ.
Well done BP,put a few people in there places when needed.
Lets hope you find the time to log back in once in a while.
26 Oct 2011, 06:14 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-404:
BP, try and say that at the beginning of the new season as it dawns upon us. Once the new season kicks off, you will be back. You won’t be able to help yourself.
Whatever the saffas here might say, we appreciate an alternative voice. And a good wind-up every now and again.
All of us need a break from this zoo every now and again.
If it’s permanent, good luck.
But I think you’re just winding us up again.
See you in February.
26 Oct 2011, 07:15 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-404:
So all it took was a hollow rigged rwc “title” for black panty to leave?
Awesome!
26 Oct 2011, 07:28 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-404: Cheers BP
You will be missed my man….
Underneath the gruff exterior I always knew a man of high intelligence and integrity existed. I cringed at times seeing how some of the Saffas berated and treated you….although thankfully for every left hook you took you landed at least a right cross!
Go well and if ever in CT please look me up for a beer…
It would be an honour to buy you a few….
Well done All Blacks…true champions….
Cheers my man!
26 Oct 2011, 07:29 am
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-408: its that sort of response he was talking about..
hollow and rigged?
World Champs for another 4 years, loser…
seems youve caught the sour grapes virus too…
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-404: know the feeling BP, why continue to blog on a site where no matter what happens its the refs fault? be like me, now we’re champs we’ve got 4 years with one simple line..
We’re World Champions, who cares
would like to catch up one day for a brewski when back in Auckloafa?
26 Oct 2011, 07:44 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-410: hang in despite the a ss holes here Poppa.
You guys are part of the fabric of the site
the site is the lesser without you guys.
Just ignore the a ss holes…
Worthy champs….Boks imploded as some of us knew they would. PDV and Plod were burdens too heavy to carry.
Enjoy the next 4 years…..
26 Oct 2011, 07:53 am
@grant10(grant10)-411: cheers Grant, its all good from my side… i know there are plenty decent Saffas, so not going to let a few ruin it for me…hell, even I could be categorised like that for past indiscretions
Bokke will be back mate, too good not to be to be honest..
26 Oct 2011, 08:07 am
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-408:
No, i think people like you can make this good rugby site into a ***** and moan site.
I didnt realise you have caught the same disease as what HG has.
Dont come to NZ next year with that, but i am sure you will come to your senses and realise NZ was the best team at the RWC and is the best team in the world, with the Champs trophy to go with it.
Fern your welcome
26 Oct 2011, 09:36 am
@optiplay(optiplay)-405: I agree with this…..its hard sometimes to avoid being patriotic to the point where all reason fails, but one of the reasons I enjoy this site is the honest view of kiwi’s…I find the kiwi mentality honest and forthright….will be a shame to lose you BP
26 Oct 2011, 09:38 am
@grant10(grant10)-411: Ditto……but can you lay off on captain fantastic Grant10, despite you views surely we can appreciate and applaud a legendary captain and player?
26 Oct 2011, 09:47 am
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-415: legendary con man and an egotist of note
sc rew him and pdv ….ba stards that they are!
26 Oct 2011, 10:03 am
@grant10(grant10)-416: Hau…..I can understand the bitterness from people who firmly beleive the best player should have played (I still cling to the beleive that he was needed from a leadership perspective) but an egotist? I have alwasy found him to be humble and a quality person. Do you know something I dont? Do you know him personally?
26 Oct 2011, 10:06 am
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I feel so sad
Boo hoo
26 Oct 2011, 10:39 am
I’m still so sad
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26 Oct 2011, 11:39 am
Dammit I’m crying
With laughter
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26 Oct 2011, 12:26 pm
@grant10(grant10)-416: Grant you are going too far man! Leave Smit and PDiv alone now! They not even Boks anymore!
Smit is a legendary Bok Capt and will go down in Bok history.
PDiv was a great coach – one of the better post-isolation ones.
They were screwed out of the QF.
Was Henry a bad coach after the QF in 2007?
Is Gatland a bad coach after Warburton got a red?
We all know there were some bad moments (most of 2010 and most of 2011) but you can’t go around saying they are “egotists” and “ba stards”!
Unless you know them personally very well?
26 Oct 2011, 12:27 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-404: Thank Goodness!!!! Finally!! Fark, I wouldve given the ABs the World Cup back in 2003 for this to happen!
Good riddance
26 Oct 2011, 12:45 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-420:
Imagine the Sharks winning on Sat aswell…
You will be inconsoleable.
@grant10(grant10)-409:
Stop hitting on black panty,or get his email addy and do it in private.
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-413:
I do not need to be welcomed anywhere by anyone,all I need is a passport and a visa if required.
Simple:-)
26 Oct 2011, 14:02 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-423: Ja, if the Sharks win I will be as devastated as I am now
Emotionally distraught
I’ll be singing Carly Simon’s You’re so Vain as if it were a funeral
You’re so vain
You probably think this song is about you
You’re so vain
I’ll bet you think this song is about you
Don’t you? Don’t you? Don’t you?
But it is a funeral. A blog funeral. Another one bites the dust…
And I am so unhappy
26 Oct 2011, 16:22 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-424: You are on fire again.Great posts between you and JL1 earlier on .Good humour.
26 Oct 2011, 17:47 pm
@optiplay(optiplay)-425: Cheers Mate. Old JL1, quite a good oke for a Provvas supporter. Wouldn’t mind having 1 or 5 beers with the bu.gger sometime.
26 Oct 2011, 18:25 pm
warching Re-union on SS1 now,clear footage of McCaw being eye-gouged by Rougerie…hell was that really necessary!
26 Oct 2011, 18:27 pm
@Rage(Rage)-427: Yes…? As necessary as McTwat kneeing Parra’s face in… Filthy farker.
26 Oct 2011, 18:33 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-404: a pity you’re moving on BP. But I understand where you’re coming from. Your city/country was an amazing experience and I think Kiwis have earned a respect from most if not all visitors to your shores recently. The All Blacks were deserving winners of the WC and much of that appreciation came from right here in SA in case you didn’t know. Would be good to see you back on Keo some time. It might be a cesspool at time but it’s almost always good for a bit of light entertainment. Aux riv ous.
26 Oct 2011, 18:35 pm
Come on,theres hard play and then there’s downright dirty play…eye-gouging can blind a man!
26 Oct 2011, 18:39 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-428: I’ll watch again but I recall Parra making the tackle and taking a knee to the face within the legal execution of the tackle by both parties. No malice that I noticed HG.
26 Oct 2011, 18:41 pm
Boo farken hoo…
All the eulogies make me so sad
26 Oct 2011, 18:44 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-431: Naive apologists see what they want to see… here, I will save you time by providing a link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBqetaCfgo&feature=youtu.be
26 Oct 2011, 19:01 pm
Schweet… wonder which other lily livers are going to run away with tail between legs…
“Brave” to the bone these chaps…
26 Oct 2011, 19:04 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-433: you know HG you are a real beaut. You see what you want to see mate. No referee is perfect. They ALL make mistakes. Without exception. One can cherry pick footage and make a point. Overall I believe the game was fairly blown and the right team won. That is my opinion. You are entitled to differ. That’s life. As for BP, I believe his moving on is a loss. Why? Because he provide an alternate view. Not always the view I’d support but it provided entertainment. You don’t like mine? Your problem.
26 Oct 2011, 19:08 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-434: I love your bravado(keyboard in attack mode). Best I run for cover. Maybe just for dinner. Cheers.
26 Oct 2011, 19:13 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-435: I wipe the tears from my eyes as I read solemnly….
26 Oct 2011, 21:39 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-434:
I am sticking around just watching you make a complete a$$ of yourself.
4 years of you being a tool is better than any RWC win.
All your little baby one eye links are just as funny, next you will be putting up links to wiki, trying to prove you little theory.
HG, NZ world Champs, world best rugby team and whats even better is your silly posts, its like the cherry on the top.
26 Oct 2011, 21:44 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-404:
Pleas please please FARK OFF….many thanks….don’t let the door klap your big old arse on the way out.
*Dusting off hands*
26 Oct 2011, 22:10 pm
A4Y, yarpies. A4Y.
Pure karma!
26 Oct 2011, 22:18 pm
We’ll be sure to avoid the 24 year wait……who could be that kak….I mean seriously.
26 Oct 2011, 22:26 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-423:
But The Sharks will win anyway. It’s going to be a slaughter.
26 Oct 2011, 23:02 pm
To Heavens gate et al – all of you who bemoan the AB’s winning the Cup…suck it up cupcakes, SA should have been in the semis at least but would still have been beaten by the AB’s because those losers lost to Ireland they screwed up the draw. Listen cupcakes, AB’s won, France played well, AB’s didnt play so well but won, the Ref was good, it was a gripping final and in the end you only need 1 point to win and that was what happened. All of this harping and moaning and whingeing about rigged RWC, biased refs and cheating is just a smoke screen for the deficits of the Boks….I still cannot believe they lost the game against the Wallabies, I mean really – even if the ref got alot of his decisions wrong, you had the game there for the taking but somehow or other the Boks snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and rightly (or wrongly) got sent packing. In 2015 the AB’s will again be in the final as a new bred of players will now be woven into the fabric of All Black play and culture, the Ab’s will continue to be the No.1 ranked Team on the planet, as they always continue to be. The Wallabies will never be No.1, the Boks will improve to 3 (maybe) because it seems the Wallabies have the wood on them. So 2015 will again be the AB’s vs ????? over the next 3-4 years it will be interesting to see who goes backwards, who stays the same and who continues to define how this wonderful game is played. SA will have their moments I am sure, you have a proud history but this constant whingeing is doing you no favours cupcakes, harden up. The AB’s will be the No.1 Team until the next RWC and then become the only Team to win back-to-back and dare I say it, 2019 be the 3-peat winner…..so to all Bok supporters “4 more years” to get it right or you will be swinging low like Englands sweet chariot….go the ANZAC’s…
26 Oct 2011, 23:04 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-439: You dont have many friends do you? Should hook up with HG, two peas in a pod.
26 Oct 2011, 23:30 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-438: WTF you talking about numbnuts… its being three whole days and now I’m thinking about more important things… Like the Sharks winning the Currie Cup… Till next time cuzzie… Enjoy your Rigged World Cup while you can until Corruption Gate breaks out in Rugger within the next couple of months
26 Oct 2011, 23:31 pm
@JohnPaul(JohnPaul)-443: And who are you again, knobcheese? Just annuvver Maori toss, I suspect….
26 Oct 2011, 23:33 pm
@KiaKuntNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-444: Ja broer… You are about as solid as the wind in the willows… I reckon you and Pooper69 should go to Sydney Mardi Gras together… A great couple… Mr Bend (Poops) and Mr Send (You)…
26 Oct 2011, 23:33 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-441: Well the Boks are doing a pretty good job. Loss in their cup defense against Oz, Lost in the
Tri-Nations. lost Mandela Plate, Lost Freedom Cup, Lost in the S15, lost their respect for sending out B teams, lost in the fact that their captain sang sour grapes for losing, lost their ranking and are now down to number four………hmmmmm who could be that KAK?
GH retires with a record that will never be matched by anyone.
He retires as coach as the most successful team that has ever existed with the highest % of win rate ( over 80 /103) or something ridiculous like that.
He retires as the coach of current WC’s and the highest ranked team in the world….
Whats Smit and PDV retiring with……..nothing. So before you make throw away comments about others go into your bathroom and look in the mirror for what your current condition is like, but if your cupboard is behind your mirror and it is anything like the Boks trophy cabinet dont bother looking in it as there aint nothing in there.!!!
26 Oct 2011, 23:52 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-445:
Oh boo hoo, out comes the name calling.
What next? You going to tell your mummy?
What happens if the sharks lose?
Will this be proof to your corruption theory?
If the sharks win,i believe its a rigged Curried cup.
HG, i have your number. You cant run or hide on this site.
Cry up a storm mate, its not getting you anywhere but to be crowned the saddest individual on Keo.
BTW i will wait for this corruption proof to come out in the next few months, if you’re wrong, what next?
26 Oct 2011, 23:54 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-446:
Why a Maori?
You are getting to be the scum of Keo.
26 Oct 2011, 23:55 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-449: SHAAAAAARRRRKSSSS!
26 Oct 2011, 23:56 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-450:
27 Oct 2011, 00:00 am
@captain fantail(captain fantail)-448:
Hmmm surely the Boks were not cheated out of all those cups were they?
But lets not stop there.
7s trophys and world best.
Junior Champs
Girls Rugby Champs.
Funny thing is i could go onto other sports as well, but i think rugby is enough.
And for all those good South Africans out there, this is not aimed at you at all. Just for the few that need reminding that they should really worry about SA rugby than belittling another country and there feats.
27 Oct 2011, 00:00 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-452:
Damn, you love it.
27 Oct 2011, 00:04 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-451:
hahaha
yeah best of luck to your team HG.
Always had a soft spot for the Sharks.
27 Oct 2011, 00:07 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-454: dont worry about HG..
he has the “sour grapes virus”
its similar to syphillis in that it destroys the brain…
27 Oct 2011, 00:07 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-455: Dont try Currie favour with me
27 Oct 2011, 00:10 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-457:
hahaha
I thought we could just all get along.
Go the lions……. damn i mean the Sharks
27 Oct 2011, 00:16 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-456:
I saw that warning.
HG i believe is the carrier.
He will never go down with this virus, he is immune to all.
He is also immune are thinking and using both eyes.
27 Oct 2011, 00:45 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-450: Getting to be? He’s cemented himself there.
27 Oct 2011, 00:52 am
@KiaKahaNZ(KiaKahaNZ)-460: ka pai for your post the other day, much appreciated..
27 Oct 2011, 08:39 am
Im so happy I can hardly talk.
27 Oct 2011, 08:44 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-453: Yeah mate, Royal Flush with the ante on the table…four cards of a kind and waiting on the ace….it does not get better than this. Not the fact of actually beating France and winning the cup, just that now what we have always known and believed cannot be disputed by any one but someone who cant handle the PAIN!!
30 Oct 2011, 07:48 am
hee hee
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