WP recruit Shadow
24 Oct 2011
WP have signed Bulls wing Gerhard van den Heever on a two-year contract.
Province and the Bulls officially confirmed the deal on Monday. The 22-year-old’s contract with the Pretoria union ends on 31st October, and he will make the move down to Cape Town in November.
‘We believe Van den Heever to be a quality player with the right attributes to fit into our set-up and vision for the immediate future,’ said WP senior professional coach Rassie Erasmus.
‘Despite his young age he brings solid experience at Super Rugby level. We have a settled base of senior players and a number of emerging young stars and we believe he has the potential to make a valuable contribution at a number of levels.’
Van den Heever made his senior debut in 2009, and played 41 provincial matches (20 tries) and 31 Super Rugby games (12 tries). The deal comes after the Bulls’ signings of WP wing JJ Engelbrecht, centre Johann Sadie and flyhalf Lionel Cronje.
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24 Oct 2011, 14:45 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-245:
No, his contract expires this year with WP.
24 Oct 2011, 14:45 pm
@tokyopartyboy(tokyopartyboy)-243:
hey bud if that’s your idea of a wild night out there in the northern suburbs…
I’m not judging.
As long as nobody gets hurt.
24 Oct 2011, 14:46 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-248: Agreed! Not in today’s professional age.
No other province allows it. Just WP. And the players do it because they are being allowed to.
24 Oct 2011, 14:47 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-248: lol I take it you not happy. If you were going to support the Lions and not the Sharks this is your punishment.
24 Oct 2011, 14:47 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-250: Will do!
24 Oct 2011, 14:51 pm
Wasnt there a story a while back the JF had re signed with WP or was that Habana ?
24 Oct 2011, 14:52 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-254: supporting the Lions is an honour, not a punishment. It is an exclusive club for the select few who are, smart, upmarket, classy, intelligent … that’s right we do not shop at Mr Price stores … we go to Stuttafords.
24 Oct 2011, 14:54 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-256:
Habana
24 Oct 2011, 14:57 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-251: Ok thanks.
@Gunther(gunther)-252: Indeed!. Out here I’m known as “Beltin’ John” …..
Famous for my rendition of “I’m Still Standing” after downing my umpteenth Long Island Iced tea…..
24 Oct 2011, 14:58 pm
@RL(RL)-257: Stuttafords ? thought they had closed down years ago, lol. Its going to be a close game i think.
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-258: Thanks
24 Oct 2011, 15:01 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-231: interesting how a year and a some odd changes people’s perspectives
http://www.keo.co.za/2010/04/21/troubles-of-a-white-wing/
24 Oct 2011, 15:05 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-261:
Ja ne…
24 Oct 2011, 15:10 pm
@RL(RL)-257:
stuttaford?…i think they closed down years ago.
how old are your clothes?
i mean the ‘new’ new stuff.
24 Oct 2011, 15:10 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-261:
You cut Ryan deep…
24 Oct 2011, 15:34 pm
This has been an interesting development from the Bulls. The invested a lot in the next generation of players, especially in the backline. Brummer, Watermeyer, Dippenaar, Hekkies and a couple of others were seen as the future, and have not cracked on as they should’ve.
They have now been replaced by players of similar experience levels, and of a similar age, however the new players have clearly been viewed as more talented.
Is this an acknowledgement that the talent wasn’t good enough, and therefore that the talent scouts weren’t good enough? Does it suggest that the Bulls’ academy isn’t good enough to develop quality players? Or was the talent available to the Bulls at that stage not good enough? It does raise questions about the ‘structures’ at the Bulls.
The next generation at the Bulls – under 19s and under 20s – are very good. Small-Smith and Andile Jho, for example in the centers, are some of the best young players I have seen in a while. Hopefully for the sake of the Bulls the next generation doesn’t fail like Brummer, Hekkies, Watermeyer et al.
24 Oct 2011, 15:47 pm
@wolfman I believe the gameplan the Bulls played did not develop backline play. All the guys you mentioned are backline players. Dean Greyling, Chilliboy Ralepele, Werner Kruger, Flip, Stegmann, Potgieter, CJ Stander etc are all players that came through the same structures. The Bulls academy therefore is succesful, but it does have its failures. The fact that they got a grey college coach to bring through the next generation is a good sign that this may change.
24 Oct 2011, 15:57 pm
@Horings(Horings)-266: It is clear that the academy isn’t providing the Bulls with all the forwards they need either. Fudge has been around for a while, and hasn’t developed into a Super 15 quality player.
They have signed a 30 year old hooker from Europe, a backrower/lock from EP, they have signed a prop from the Pumas, have recruited a 24 year old from the Varsity Cup, and have grabbed Steenkamp back from the Cheetahs.
I realise that they are losing a lot of great players recently, but the academy doesn’t appear to be churning out the forwards that it should either.
24 Oct 2011, 16:17 pm
Not the most sensible buy in the world… IMO… he was never my favourite player…
but if he’s gonna be a stormer…
good luck to the kid… hope he finds his magic mojo in our beautiful city and fulfils all the potential Tacitus always believed he has…
welcome to the cape gerhard…!!
24 Oct 2011, 16:55 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-265:
this is nothing new, you can only provide the opportunity to develope into senior pro’s but this does not always happen. As has happened many times before, an u21 superstar does not automatically become a senior performer.
this current crop definately does not look like making the grade, they are however all u19/21 cc champs and vodacom champs and junior boks.
just goes to show really.
personally, I do not include Hurdles in this categorary. I think his move may be about money and opportunity. It is also only a 2 year contract so you may yet see him back at the bulls.
Bulls look well sorted at 15 with kirchener and this other new oke.then you have hougaard who’ll probably stay on the wing, with maybe engelbrecht who looks a lot more physically imposing than kirchener, supplemented with the intellegence of ndgane. Keeping in mind that the outside backs of the current u21 look breathtaking. (sampie mastriet,etc).
And even then, if they keep the venter/olivier combo at 12/13….you may even find Sadie playing on the wing as well.
so plenty of options really.
24 Oct 2011, 17:00 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-267:
It’s true, I’ve been watching the junior ranks looking for a half decent lock. Fudge is okay at best, this’ll probably be his final year to make an impact. Steenkamp was originally a bull so wouldn’t include him.
Personally, I like what I’m seeing from the bulls…they don’t look to interested in hanging around too long to build another team to win trophys.
It’s important to understand, that overseas, in football clubs like ManU and Barcelona…they all have youth academys. Only once in a blue moon do any of these youths turn out to be good enough to graduate to the senior side.
24 Oct 2011, 17:09 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-265: DIRECTOR of rugby Heyneke Meyer told Business Day yesterday he planned to turn the Blue Bulls back into a dominant franchise which plays a fluid, high-intensity running game.
Meyer’s recruits thus far, Johan Sadie, JJ Engelbrecht and most recently Lionel Cronje, are fleet- footed backline players, a clear indication of the direction the team would be taking.
“I brought Pine (Pienaar) in who was a backline coach because I want to improve the way we’re playing. If you look at the guys we’ve recruited, they are very exciting backs.
“You always have a vision of how you want to play and then get players around that.
“We will always have a tough forward pack but we’ve looked at how the game has evolved,” Meyer said.
“If you stay the same you’ll never get ahead.”
“We are looking hard at the way we are going to play. We are busy with a lot of camps that (are set up) to have the whole union playing the same way.”
However the changes will not be without their casualties.
“The hard decisions we had to make (were) which players we want to keep and which we will let go,” Meyer said.
24 Oct 2011, 17:11 pm
Ok then…
9 Duvenage
10 Grant
11 Habana
12 JdV
13 J Fourie
14 Shadow
15 Aplon
But we need farking forwards!!! Front rowers, to be preice. Brok “Inside Centre” Harris, Tiaan “Skeeeewwww” Liebenberg and whoever else just aren’t good enough for us to compete against international packs.
Please, Rassie and AC, don’t waste more money on flashy backs. Invest in something we need.
Boy, imagine if we got the Du Plessis brothers…
24 Oct 2011, 17:13 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-265: it is more about the change in philosophy by Heineken than those youngsters not being “good enough”. what will heineken do now with a player like morne who he brainwashed not run the ball but skop alles? will he discard him or reprogramme the robot to play flatter and get his new exciting backs going?
24 Oct 2011, 17:17 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-273:
at loftus you’ll always need a dead eye kicker.
Morne will be fine and continue as bok flyhalf for some time yet.
24 Oct 2011, 17:24 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-273: Fair point you raise there. If that is the case, the Bulls are under taking a massive cultural change in their playing style, and I imagine there will be a couple more casualties of this change, and some teething problems. I hope we aren’t seeing a 4 year plan, although some type of success will be important as there are a lot of contracts up for renewal in 2013.
I don’t think he will dump Steyn, or players such as Olivier, but they will have to adapt or spend a lot of time on the bench. In guys like Fouche and Cronje, and Botha and Sadie, there are plenty of young, talented players putting pressure on the experienced old guard.
It is natural for something like this to happen with players such as Matfield and du Preez moving on. Perhaps the Stormers will follow the Bulls, who are following the Cheetahs and Lions in this change of style?
24 Oct 2011, 18:40 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-274:
Perhaps we’ll see the original running Morne back, but I fear the damage may have already been done.
24 Oct 2011, 19:19 pm
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{{ ” I don’t quite get the hype that everyone has for this Kolisi ….. ”
” Is he a fetcher, no.
Is he a big ball carrier, no.
Is he a dominant 8th man, no.
What is he besides a softy who cries off when he is tackled hard ” }}
Another View, An Alternate Notion a more Realistic QUESTION?
It is a huge S. African failing that the limited cortical capacities of the majority on this site does not allow too many serious matters to be seen in total perspective even in a simple past-time such as sport and specifically rugby.
While the above quoted points/questions are all true/valid the biggest, most important one is not made or asked and you can lay that at the door of merely being 15 years post a 300 plus years of mostly constitutionalised RACISM.
I will not make the point fully for that will require days of writing.
But I will say you need to know that little Kolisi is merely the Black Satin piece of cloth on the skin that as a background accentuates the stunning splendour of the White Pearls or White Diamonds that takes your breath away and leaves you speechless and not asking the real questions.
Why is, an anatomically not fully developed, Siya not playing and honing his skills in the u/20s?
In the just past Junior WC he was clearly an inconsistent and worse performer than A.Botha or his provincial mate, Nizaam Carr.
Why the rush to fast-track him at risk of serious injury to his undeveloped body when others are seemingly better? This is the question to the plot of fooling the world wrt the real question of true non-racism and thus clear opportunities for all in the land of their forefathers’ birth.
Siya has obvious talent which needs to be nurtured and fully developed. Right now he is just the seeming valueless piece of black satin and certainly not the so much more valuable white pearl or diamond. Even though satin it is still just a piece of cloth and not a priceless stone.
Think Siya Kolisi, think seriously. It is still S.Africa where you find yourself and that means it is still RACIST as the whites own the economy while they allow the blacks to fiddle with the politics.
24 Oct 2011, 19:23 pm
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24 Oct 2011, 19:32 pm
@ET.(ET.)-277:
Kolisi is there because of injuries during the season. He’s a 7 (SA) and Carr is competing for the 6 jersey. I doubt whether either would have had a run on role if it hadn’t been for injuries. Much as Zorro would still be playing Vodacom Cup.
24 Oct 2011, 19:36 pm
Some further advice for the young and vastly inexperienced Kolisi.
It is not recommended that you take on with your softer head the os coxae of the sons of the Children of Ham. In days of yore they roamed and ran up and down and around the mountains of the Western Cape.
This has ensured that their bones of the lower appendicular skeleton have consistently been over-loaded and challenged to the point of being extremely well developed and those good genes have been passed down for generations now.
Besides the game of rugby has been played among their ancestry for so long as judged by the 2nd oldest rugby club(by less than a year) in the land, Primroses R.C., emanating from good old Claremont of Cape Town.
24 Oct 2011, 19:36 pm
@ET.(ET.)-277: constitutionalised RACISM…. as opposed to “ethnical” racism?
You poor confused farker.
24 Oct 2011, 19:48 pm
@David(David)-279:
That may well be your view and from your position that is understood, but it is still garbage since you are asking me to believe and accept that a presently better player and more anatomically developed loose-forward is not ever to be found in W.P. club rugby. Kolisi is not even the 3rd(or more) best #7 in the W.P.
Just not possible. There is an ulterior motive clearly but by virtue of your being not able to walk in shoes of such as Mpundulu and millions more you are still “just intrigued ” and will forever in this lifetime be so.
Just the facts, David , just the facts I am giving, nothing personal. Remember virtue of birth is in some ways a limitation to ALL of us. It is just circumstance that determines that limitation.
24 Oct 2011, 19:50 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-281:
Your virtue of birth will forever hold you limited wrt Africa, espicially south of the Limpopo.
24 Oct 2011, 19:56 pm
-278:
If not through limited cortical capacity how do you set about reckoning that your “recon”(tip of a gigantic iceberg) is not to be found in my big Oxford.
Remenber that huge blooper “umbridge”?
24 Oct 2011, 19:57 pm
Im glad to see Heyneke Meyer deciding to adopt that type of approach. The Springboks will need to as well. I dont think it is a case of revolutionising the way they play, it is more about tweaking areas of our play, and enhancing them. We without a doubt have the best foward (or have at least) pack in the World, and we constantly churn out fantastic forwards. And we should keep utilising that strength and enhancing it. However, as was so obvious against Australia and in many other games, we need to evolve our attacking backline play. We have the players going forward and with Du Preez now moving on, the kick chase game will just not suffice any more. Im not saying we must become cavalier and run from all ends of the park, because kicking tactically and kick chase can still be used, they are not outdated tactics. We need to keep that in our armoury, however, add the attacking areas to it. I have been mightily impressed with the Lions recently and the way Spencer has got them skilled into playing flat and attacking and using simple hands down the line.
I hope Heyneke also takes the Bok job, as apparently Alister Coetzee and Rassie are not keen accoridng to 365.
24 Oct 2011, 20:02 pm
@ET.(ET.)-282:
No, I haven’t walked in Mpundulus shoes, but then, neither have you walked in mine, which is why I ask questions.
I agree that Kolisi isn’t in the top 3 7s in the province, but with Vermeulen out, Flo overseas and Schalk with the Boks when Kolisi got his chance, the choices were limited. Against the Lions powerfull loose trio it would have been madness to go with a loose trio of Carr, Koster and Schalk.
24 Oct 2011, 20:02 pm
@ET.(ET.)-284: glass houses Dr Do-little. Glass houses….
24 Oct 2011, 20:26 pm
They buy van den Heever while they let JJ Engelbrecht go.
Pure madness once again from WPRU.
24 Oct 2011, 20:30 pm
Were there not pressures after the super 15 from above to pick a more representative Province team?
24 Oct 2011, 20:33 pm
@David(David)-286:
Truthfully I have no desire to walk in your shoes for in S. Africa they have almost always been on the wrong side of social evils or social justice and social intent(again no personal intent here). You admitted to voting there in your time.
Are you by any distorted notion suggesting that in S.A., only whites ask questions let alone meaningful, soul searching ones? How do you explain ‘Apartheid’ then or the qualified franchis that never was even before then?
In 282 I used the word presently which took care of Louw, Vermeulen and Skunk Burger and used W.P.club rugby as your limiting factor.
Well with Kolisi there it strangely turned out to be even more disastrous you would have to agree as the game was famously lost and more famously the smallest Lion on the field sent Siya into the realm of counting the stars for what purpose I do not know.
He is lucky Jantjies did not even attempt to tackle him or else he may now be be in your heaven.
24 Oct 2011, 20:35 pm
@I am a stormer moffie(I am a stormer moffie)-288:
Solely because pathetic supporters like you tolerate that and allow it to happen without even a murmur. Cowards all.
24 Oct 2011, 20:37 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-288:
The point is, could they afford to match the Bulls offer, in order to keep him?
@Horings(Horings)-289:
I think that’s something most people are missing.
24 Oct 2011, 20:37 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-287:
See Province in talks with Joe Pietersen. Hope he comes back – I still rate the guy.
24 Oct 2011, 20:38 pm
-287:
To get people to accept your misguided notion just substantiate your claim as I do above with “recon” and ” umbridge”.
OK you softies I have bashed you enough for one day and will leave you floundering in the gutters and sluices where rats feel more at home.
24 Oct 2011, 20:40 pm
@EthnicTurd.(EthnicTurd.)-291:
And by that, you mean precisely what?
Yet another nothing comment from you.
24 Oct 2011, 20:41 pm
THis does not change the fact that we still need decent props.
24 Oct 2011, 20:44 pm
@ET.(ET.)-290:
I’ve never admitted to voting anywhere. As a so called scientist, you have an unfortunate habit of presenting an assumption as fact and building a hypothesis on it. In most circles, that would be considered as intellectual immaturity. Nothing personal, of course.
24 Oct 2011, 20:44 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-293: I hope they can sign him. That would make a big difference!
24 Oct 2011, 20:45 pm
@ET.(ET.)-294:
Ja, you and Gaddaffi both. Both bloody sewer rats.
24 Oct 2011, 21:32 pm
Shadow is now a SPARTAN!!!
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