Lions roar to glory
29 Oct 2011
GARETH DUNCAN, reporting from Ellis Park, watched the Lions break their 12-year Currie Cup title drought with a 42-16 hammering of the Sharks.
After 12 years of silverware starvation, the Lions have finally fed.
The 26-point victory completed a dream campaign – which included a table-topping run throughout the league phase and an impressive 29-20 semi-final win over a WP side that had six World Cup Springboks in their match day squad. This result was also the Lions’ first Currie Cup final triumph at Ellis Park in 61 years.
The Lions wanted it more than their opposition. The Sharks, who struggled for momentum and lacked a clinical edge, looked second best for most parts of the match. The hosts ran faster, tackled harder and toiled tirelessly around the park. That determination – no – that hunger for victory influenced John Mitchell’s ‘no-name brands’ to thump a strong, Springbok-laden Sharks side.
Those who backed a win for the visitors pointed to the quality of their squad, which included seven World Cup Boks. But this match proved to be one game too much for the likes of Bismarck du Plessis and Beast Mtawarira, who struggled to make any trademark impact after long and tiring year. There was also a lack of cohesion, despite this group spending the past three weeks together.
The Lions, who’ve played generally the same side since day one of Super Rugby in February, worked like a well-oiled machine. But during this impressive team performance, the player who made the ultimate difference was flyhalf Elton Jantjies. The youngster showed Mitchell was correct in selecting him ahead of veteran Butch James during the play-off stages. After starring in the Lions’ semi-final win last Saturday, the 20-year-old displayed a Man of the Match performance as he kicked 24 points without missing one attempt.
The platform was set with a good showing in the first half. The Lions mixed moments of impressive attacking play with a resilient defence to hold a 19-6 half-time lead.
Jantjies and fullback Jaco Taute, who nailed a 57m penalty, traded penalties with flyhalf Frederic Michalak early on before wing Michael Killian scored the first try of the match. From a scrum in centre field, centre Doppies la Grange broke the Sharks defence through a set-piece move. His offload put Killian clear.
But it looked like the half would end badly for the Lions. Prop CJ van der Linde had a moment of madness in the 32-minute when he threw Sharks skipper Keegan Daniel over his shoulder whilst clearing a ruck. It earned him a yellow card. The Sharks built momentum with their one-player advantage and paid four visits to the Lions’ red zone. However, they couldn’t find a much-needed finish and the Lions escaped without conceding any points.
Then there was a controversial moment early in the second half when Willem Alberts scored a try that should not have been allowed. The Sharks flanker broke the Lions’ defensive line, but lost the ball forward in the process. However, the knock-on wasn’t sighted by the officials and referee Mark Lawrence, who seeked advice from his assistant, awarded the try. The Sharks were back in it as Michalak’s conversion made it 22-16. Game on.
The Lions, however, had other plans as that was the Sharks’ last score of the match. The following 31 minutes was arguably the best passage of play the Lions have showcased this year.
It was a strong performance that secured 20 points to seal the famous win. First, Pat Cilliers powered over from close range after the Lions attacked from deep. Jantjies added two penalties before Taute had the pace to finish another attacking move in the corner. The following conversion was the final nail in the Sharks’ coffin.
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827 Comments
29 Oct 2011, 14:07 pm
Go Lions..
29 Oct 2011, 14:11 pm
there’s NO way the guppies can lose, if they happen to do it…it’s an all blacks-eque choke no doubt
29 Oct 2011, 14:12 pm
Best of luck to both sides. May the team that wins be the worthy winner and no biatching
29 Oct 2011, 14:26 pm
Good luck to my Sharks.
Also hope Mark Lawrence has a good game today. Really don’t want to see useless reffing like we did in the wc. Seen enough of that to last us a lifetime. Today we expect the best from Mark. He is one of the best refs and should have made it to the wc. Now do hope he is consistent and fair to both sides. Let rugby be the winner today.
Well done to Lions on making and holding the final. A full Ellis Park is gonna be brilliant to see. Great for SA rugby.
GO SHARKS GO.
29 Oct 2011, 14:33 pm
Whether my Sharks win today or not I am proud of my team making the Currie Cup Final two years in a row.
29 Oct 2011, 14:36 pm
This could be a long stop start game if the expected thunderstorm arrives. Does anyone know if there’s any arrangement for an abandoned match due to lightning?
29 Oct 2011, 14:43 pm
@Puma(Puma)-4:
The refs at the world cup were always going to be up against it- if you take the many grey areas in the application of the rules , the emotion and patriotism of the fans who only notice calls that went against their own teams, etc…it is a recipe for disaster
Even our own Craig went from being a hero to a zero within a week in the eyes of many but not in the eyes of the AB supporters.
Lets see what “flak” Mark gets today….. tough job, lol.
Hope it’s a good match though and the rain stays away.
29 Oct 2011, 14:50 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-7: I have no problem with the refs, but Eish, one interpretation should be applied to both teams an Joubert also did not do that. Lots of things happen in front of them and they just ignore it,
pathetic if you ask me
29 Oct 2011, 15:06 pm
Go Tvl!!!!
Beingg a long time!!
29 Oct 2011, 15:22 pm
Go my beautiful Lions, you deserve a cup!
As always I’ll be here supporting you and defending you from sharkievarkie attacks.
Make us proud boys … win or lose your my Lions.
ROAR.
29 Oct 2011, 15:29 pm
GO SHARKSSSSSSSSS
Am going to be running to the bedroom to comment all the time during the game, lotsa SHARKLOVERS starting to arrive. Warning i might become a bit incoherent the thirstier the guests make me.
29 Oct 2011, 15:31 pm
@Puma(Puma)-4:
Howdie Puma,
Agree on the reffing. About time there was more consistency.
29 Oct 2011, 15:31 pm
@RL(RL)-10: hope you wearing your red lycra body suit again
29 Oct 2011, 15:37 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-13: hahaha
29 Oct 2011, 15:45 pm
the ref will get bagged tonight whatever the result
29 Oct 2011, 16:30 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-2: like WP last week?
29 Oct 2011, 16:32 pm
anyone have a link to the online feed? please!!!!
29 Oct 2011, 16:32 pm
Lions are as hungry as they come for this game.. Not so sure about the sharks..
29 Oct 2011, 16:42 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-16: those fools can’t score tries if u paid them.
29 Oct 2011, 17:01 pm
What time is kickoff? Rugby365.com says 5pm (11am EST) – Keo says 5:30pm? Please help?
29 Oct 2011, 17:10 pm
Go the kitty cats.
29 Oct 2011, 17:14 pm
@Sports_Fan(Sports_Fan)-20: 5.30pm.
SHARKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
29 Oct 2011, 17:15 pm
LIVE FEED – http://www.lshunter.tv/index.php?option=com_lsh&view=lsh&event_id=67946&tid=217275&channel=0&tmpl=component&layout=popup&Itemid=327
29 Oct 2011, 17:24 pm
There’s a magic buzz at Ellis Park when it is full like today. It is a special place. As a supporter, I’ve come away from there on the winning side many times.
As a Bok supporter, in case you were wondering.
29 Oct 2011, 17:24 pm
thnx, seems to be a quality stream
29 Oct 2011, 17:34 pm
Congratulations to both teams for getting this far. May the best team win and may the rugby be beautiful. Hoping for the sharks, but the Lions are a very worthy adversary. Good luck to both.
29 Oct 2011, 17:37 pm
van der linde did well to grab odwa
29 Oct 2011, 17:38 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-27: CJ has very good pace for a front ranker. Someone posted in an article once that CJ was part of the Grey 4 x 100 relay team U19.
Figures
29 Oct 2011, 17:39 pm
Factual Question
Anyone noticed how very easy it is for even a recently exposed racist to sing a national anthem even if it composed of more than one language?
29 Oct 2011, 17:39 pm
3-0 Jantjies
29 Oct 2011, 17:39 pm
minnie started his free lunch
29 Oct 2011, 17:40 pm
taute from 57m YOH
29 Oct 2011, 17:41 pm
6-0 Taute
29 Oct 2011, 17:42 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-31:
I left a genuine answer for your ” why milk ” question. Did you see it?
29 Oct 2011, 17:43 pm
Strauss is the only 8 to offload in the tackle.
29 Oct 2011, 17:45 pm
The Sharks backline all offside.
29 Oct 2011, 17:46 pm
lawrence cooking it already
29 Oct 2011, 17:46 pm
6-3 Michalak
29 Oct 2011, 17:47 pm
@ET.(ET.)-34: yes, thank you
29 Oct 2011, 17:49 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-39:
Fine.
29 Oct 2011, 17:49 pm
9-3 Jantjies
29 Oct 2011, 17:56 pm
Keegan not feeling the love here
29 Oct 2011, 17:57 pm
Unlucky Freddie
29 Oct 2011, 18:00 pm
12-3 Jantjies
Lions haven’t really did much but take their kicks.
29 Oct 2011, 18:02 pm
tjesus, ellis is like 10 years in the past, what an atmosophere, what a try.
go Lions!
29 Oct 2011, 18:03 pm
try killian, score is beginning to look pretty one-sided
29 Oct 2011, 18:03 pm
doppies skins oupa
29 Oct 2011, 18:03 pm
Doppies must be the unluckiest centre in SA., not to make the Bok squad.
29 Oct 2011, 18:04 pm
Jantjies is the future for the Boks at 10 IMO.
Great player, tightened up his game tremendously this year.
29 Oct 2011, 18:05 pm
How’s this John Mitchell turned this cinderella team around in less than a year like a bloody miracle
Best coach in SA by some distance
Sharks with all their Boks chucking everything at Lions who stand firm and then Doppies skin them apart and Jantjies showing why he’s the business at No.10
29 Oct 2011, 18:06 pm
19-6 Michalak
29 Oct 2011, 18:08 pm
25 minutes and the games over as a spectacle or contest worthy of watching, thanks to another Lawrence who wants to be centre of attraction
29 Oct 2011, 18:09 pm
Cj what a screw up.
29 Oct 2011, 18:09 pm
@posts(posts)-52: this one’s not over yet, not by a long way.
29 Oct 2011, 18:09 pm
CJ costing the lions big time here
29 Oct 2011, 18:09 pm
yellow CJ gonna turn this game around now Sharks gonna get back in this… Pity
29 Oct 2011, 18:10 pm
CJ yellowed
29 Oct 2011, 18:10 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-54:
For sure not, Lions making stupid mistakes all of a sudden.
29 Oct 2011, 18:10 pm
CJ is a frustrated WWE wrestler
29 Oct 2011, 18:11 pm
Lions been Marked and Bryced
29 Oct 2011, 18:11 pm
@posts(posts)-52:
Can I assume you’re a Sharks supporter?
29 Oct 2011, 18:13 pm
Lions defence has been very good, Sharks need to keep wearing them down up front, I can see the Lions pack gassing.
29 Oct 2011, 18:13 pm
Keo score stuck again
29 Oct 2011, 18:15 pm
Lions defense is very interesting.
29 Oct 2011, 18:16 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-58:
Hi, Looks like my superBru is good so far!
29 Oct 2011, 18:16 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-63:
Jet lag.
29 Oct 2011, 18:17 pm
First time I see defense described as interesting
29 Oct 2011, 18:18 pm
Sharks pack with Bismarck and Alberts would’ve beaten the Boks, just look at the go-forward, fk-it i could shitout a brick best i think of something else.
29 Oct 2011, 18:19 pm
I am trying to watch this on vipstand but it appears i need a ‘plugin’, what on earth does that mean?
29 Oct 2011, 18:19 pm
Ok for the last time this year
DOOPPPPIIIIEEESSSS!
29 Oct 2011, 18:19 pm
Miracle survival by Lions
29 Oct 2011, 18:21 pm
19-6 HT
Sharks need to just keep pounding up front, the dam should crack around the 60min mark.
29 Oct 2011, 18:21 pm
@carol(carol)-65:
I was too late but am just about last anyway so it does not matter.
29 Oct 2011, 18:23 pm
Lions defending well.
Same problems the Sharks have had ALL year (including S15):
1. Can’t play for a full 80mins
2. Midfield is the worst in the country
3. Lack of any real penetration or creativity beyond Deysel, Alberts etc crashing it up route 1.
The Lions just look more up for this one. It looks to be their day.
29 Oct 2011, 18:24 pm
Oh and no 4. the Sharks never win the breakdown. Isolated ball runners get turned over too frequently.
29 Oct 2011, 18:24 pm
@David: Nope, for 10 years I was a regular at Ellis when naartjies were the order of the day and even sat on the tin roof for a rare international, in those days. I just like refs who are anonymous and don’t blow every 20 seconds
29 Oct 2011, 18:25 pm
Hey fantastic, a link has been put on rugby talk and I have a great picture now!!
Feel I am right there on a sofa down there in SA !!
29 Oct 2011, 18:26 pm
@carol(carol)-69:
Try this…
http://www.kostatz.webs.com/
29 Oct 2011, 18:26 pm
@posts(posts)-76:
LOL
29 Oct 2011, 18:27 pm
Poor option taking by sharks. Ref has handed the lions a few points though!
29 Oct 2011, 18:28 pm
Even though the Lions scrum is under pressure, their decision makers is doing well. They play a brand of rugby that SA hasn’t seen since Mallet. Taute is as solid as a rock, and Jantjies can finally deserve the award he got last year. Great rugby.
Sharks shows signs of overdoing the phase play. Can it be that their Springboks will derail their campaign?
29 Oct 2011, 18:28 pm
lions need to start playing percentages…they can’t defend the full 80m even these putrid sharks will get it eventually…
setting up phases in ur 22 is playing with fire.
29 Oct 2011, 18:28 pm
Lions need to protect the ball at the breakdown, and get their offensive rhythm going and build pressure. There’s an obvious weakness in the 12/13 channel of the sharks. Plumtree makes weird buys sometimes.
29 Oct 2011, 18:29 pm
Yip f’ng stupid Boks Fckng up the WC playing Smit, Spies and FdP compared to what we seeing here from both sides like chalk and cheese,
Boks pathetic sentimentalist garbage cost the WC… This rugby under Mitchell is 100 times more progressive and proactive than the poor compromise trash we saw carrying a f’ng garbage koptoe cancerous clown all for the sake of his garbage egoist self seeking ambitions
Pity Mitchell wasn’t called in as technical adviser instead of Rassie he would have put the boot into the sentimental garbage compromising and we might have won the g’dam thing again.. Bryce or no Bryce.
29 Oct 2011, 18:29 pm
@julz(julz)-80: Sharks threw away a 3 pointer and Taute’s kick was unnatural. The try is the real difference.
29 Oct 2011, 18:32 pm
this mark lawrence is about 100 times better than his kiwi counterpart.
29 Oct 2011, 18:32 pm
Not entering thu gate lawqrence!
29 Oct 2011, 18:33 pm
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-78:
Cheers…right there…Excellent.
29 Oct 2011, 18:34 pm
lawrence cooking…
29 Oct 2011, 18:34 pm
@cab(cab)-86:
About 100 times better looking!
29 Oct 2011, 18:36 pm
What’s this cooking business?
29 Oct 2011, 18:36 pm
I hope Puma is sitting down with a strong drink in his hand!
29 Oct 2011, 18:37 pm
22-9 Jantjies drop
29 Oct 2011, 18:37 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-91:
Forget that, restaurant tonight….!!
How did you get on with that music btw?
29 Oct 2011, 18:37 pm
@carol(carol)-90:
if you say so, will take your word for it, all i know is old brycie better not set foot in SA, cretin.
know someone who sat next to him on a longhaul flight, meant to be quite a nice oke.
29 Oct 2011, 18:39 pm
Jantjies showing the absolute young general he is stepping up BIG time
29 Oct 2011, 18:39 pm
lol Freddie too much magic for Odwa, super from Lambie too
29 Oct 2011, 18:39 pm
Naah carol trans keeps saying lawrence is cooking
29 Oct 2011, 18:40 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-73:
No, I am way behind you!!
Fark me, the Lion with the beard No 8 looks like a cave man!
29 Oct 2011, 18:41 pm
Drama!
29 Oct 2011, 18:41 pm
Oh dear. bad mistake there mr Ref. Willem couldn’t believe he wasn’t blown there.
This is what i hoped wouldn’t happen.
29 Oct 2011, 18:41 pm
saying that he fkd up there, how the hell they allow that?
29 Oct 2011, 18:42 pm
Off strauss’s hand!
29 Oct 2011, 18:42 pm
Alberts try, 22-16
29 Oct 2011, 18:43 pm
@cab(cab)-95:
Anyone who does not fall asleep against you, sneeze on you or talk non stop to you on a longhaul flight is ‘nice’ !!
29 Oct 2011, 18:43 pm
Bugger. Come on Sharks!
29 Oct 2011, 18:43 pm
@julz(julz)-103: yeah I didn’t think it was off Alberts either, it was the Lions player who knocked it back
29 Oct 2011, 18:43 pm
Alberts all over the goddamn field.
29 Oct 2011, 18:45 pm
@carol(carol)-105:
true but apparently old mark is quite a chatty oke.
29 Oct 2011, 18:45 pm
Look at that…
I can say ‘Cave Man’ and I did not offend anyone!!
The Saffas are the most sensitive race I have ever come across!!
Hehehheheheeh
29 Oct 2011, 18:45 pm
question: when you kick a drop goal does the ball have to bounce of the ground or just onto the foot?
Thanks
29 Oct 2011, 18:45 pm
@cab(cab)-108: He is a royal pain in the arse to play against.
29 Oct 2011, 18:45 pm
@simbachips(brendon)-111: Either is fine.
29 Oct 2011, 18:46 pm
Lawrence, I’ve no words!
29 Oct 2011, 18:47 pm
Lawrence handing game to Sharks with that blatant knock on try
Come Lions one more try
29 Oct 2011, 18:47 pm
bladdy brilliant by the Lions, what spirit, totally transformed side.
29 Oct 2011, 18:48 pm
@carol(carol)-105:
Last time I flew back to SA I had 2 long legged blonde German models sitting next to me and sadly neither of them did anything like that to me. Do you think there is something wrong with me?
29 Oct 2011, 18:48 pm
@cab(cab)-109:
He would probably be interesting…..
I sat next to a very boring bloke all the way to Aus.
I nearly strangled him by the time we reached Kuala Lumpa (spelling) !!
29 Oct 2011, 18:48 pm
Lions try, good finish
29 Oct 2011, 18:49 pm
MOM Elton Jantjies the boy has become a MAN today. No.10 general No.1
29 Oct 2011, 18:49 pm
Come on Kittens! Roar!
29 Oct 2011, 18:49 pm
Now or never Sharkies!
29 Oct 2011, 18:49 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-120: He has to be the next Bok flyhalf.
29 Oct 2011, 18:51 pm
Jantjies is a completely different player compared to last year, he’s kicking in just so much better, he’s confidence too. Pretty close to the complete package, tho still get mullered in contact a bit.
29 Oct 2011, 18:52 pm
Big hit, who are you supporting? You based in the UK?
29 Oct 2011, 18:52 pm
31-16 Jantjies
Sharks need to score next or it’s a wrap.
29 Oct 2011, 18:52 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-117:
German models….Did you have to pay a lot to sit next to them?
29 Oct 2011, 18:53 pm
This is quite exciting!!
29 Oct 2011, 18:54 pm
Jantjies is delivering a superb flyhalf performance!
29 Oct 2011, 18:56 pm
The Lions throughout the season has outperformed the opposition in terms of match fitness…
29 Oct 2011, 18:57 pm
@carol(carol)-127:
Nope, I was just lucky although it did not work out as well as I was hoping for.
Must have been the language barrier.
29 Oct 2011, 18:58 pm
Mmmm Mark is so assertive!!
29 Oct 2011, 18:58 pm
Game over for the Sharks!
29 Oct 2011, 18:58 pm
@julz(julz)-125:
A pom – shark.
29 Oct 2011, 18:59 pm
between bismark and alberts, bismarck strips a ball right out the brilliant minnie’s hands, its a goddamn crime they werent starting for the Boks, its actually horrific.
29 Oct 2011, 19:00 pm
CJ has more pace than either oupa or marius/
29 Oct 2011, 19:00 pm
@julz(julz)-125: from the uk julz, would like to see the Sharks do it but it isn’t gonna happen, looks like the Lions are back in the big time.
Sharks have the better pack but Lions more intelligent at the breakdown, better defence, more disciplined and more creativity in attack. Home advantage helps hugely of course but the right team are winning.
29 Oct 2011, 19:00 pm
Lions front row destroying the Springbok front row 35-16
If Lions lose it from here will be one mammoth implosion, Mitchell showing Plumtree who’s boss today, big time, Boks and all Lions cleaning Sharks up for fishy fritters
29 Oct 2011, 19:01 pm
I do hope Katman has some Vintage Champagne waiting on ice…..!!
29 Oct 2011, 19:01 pm
Game set match.
29 Oct 2011, 19:03 pm
Now it’s really Game OVER!!
29 Oct 2011, 19:03 pm
Not the sharks night. Not much going their way, but no flair either.
29 Oct 2011, 19:03 pm
Taute try, 40-16 and Stransky rolling out ‘they think it’s all over’ line…
29 Oct 2011, 19:03 pm
helluva game, well done Lions, well done Mitchell, you’ve worked wonders.
29 Oct 2011, 19:04 pm
First time this year the little guy from middle earth shows some emo!
29 Oct 2011, 19:04 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-134:
Another Lions try…astonishing stuff here.
Tell me, why should Pom’s be Sharks? I don’t get it!
29 Oct 2011, 19:04 pm
sharks with all their bokke…biggest choke?
29 Oct 2011, 19:04 pm
Looks like Butch made a good move, I thought he was nuts!!
29 Oct 2011, 19:05 pm
What a huge negative statement does the Lions victories of the last two weeks make about the RWC ‘Bok decrepit stars.
Merit selections, it seems, lies in the eyes of the beholders.
What could M.Steyn do that Elton could not, for example? And there are more questions like that.
29 Oct 2011, 19:05 pm
Where is Heavens Game? Come out come out wherever you are!
29 Oct 2011, 19:05 pm
try time clean through the middle the Mitchell Spencer show has ARRIVED
Taute or Jantjies MOM .. Taute always EVERYWHERE.. Most exciting FB in the country by far.. Put Lambie Pambie in the shade
Jantjies is little general on top of his game. MOM performance today
29 Oct 2011, 19:06 pm
butch is KAK
29 Oct 2011, 19:06 pm
Oh now Butch! You’re lucky it’s already game over.
29 Oct 2011, 19:06 pm
@ET.(ET.)-149: Mitch is the best coach working in SA. He has instilled intelligence into the Lions play.
29 Oct 2011, 19:06 pm
Congratulations Lions, a well deserved win, you played brilliantly and Sharks absolutely dismal and deserve to lose.
29 Oct 2011, 19:06 pm
But Butch forgot his glasses, bit of a ball fumble…
29 Oct 2011, 19:07 pm
@carol(carol)-146:
They used to be called the last post of the british empire.
Give me one good reason why a Brit should support the Bulls.
29 Oct 2011, 19:08 pm
Emphatic perfprmance from the Lions tonight.
A credit to the game and a pleasure to watch!
29 Oct 2011, 19:08 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-150:
Is he in H E L L?
29 Oct 2011, 19:09 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-154:
Seems very much so.
29 Oct 2011, 19:09 pm
Never thought this would be a one sided match
Puma must be devastated… Lambie is being overtaken by Jantjies
29 Oct 2011, 19:10 pm
Final whistle hasn’t gone yet!
29 Oct 2011, 19:11 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-157:
I supported the Bulls because The Stormers were too anoying, never giving Percy a game in his last season.
Then everyone assumed the Sharks were the way I would go, but the Blue Bulls were far more interesting.
I could never wear a jersey with Mr. Price on it!
29 Oct 2011, 19:13 pm
possible springbok backline for future:
9 Hougaard 10 Jantjies 11 Notsureyet 12 F.Steyn 13 J.Fourie 14 M.Killian 15 J.Taute
Lambie as a utility back? I dunno. But god I hope the new coach does some spring cleaning and gets rid of the deadweight
29 Oct 2011, 19:13 pm
lions are on FIRE…
29 Oct 2011, 19:15 pm
Brit supporting bulls? What’s the point of the question? If bulls play good rugby and the brit likes good rugby then why not.
29 Oct 2011, 19:16 pm
Fcing destroyed yes DESTROYED.
How’s that **** tasting we fed you oakes 2 weeks ago?
Fck it will come gloat later. Party time at the tin.
Whoooohoooooo!
29 Oct 2011, 19:16 pm
Lions playing the kind of footy that will give the the advantage in the S15… with less mistakes than!
29 Oct 2011, 19:16 pm
Less mistakes than this year..
29 Oct 2011, 19:16 pm
Well played my second team
29 Oct 2011, 19:16 pm
Who just headbutted that Lions player?
Sore looser!
29 Oct 2011, 19:16 pm
HG and Transformation are drowning their sorrows while G10 is celebrating his new found happiness (and buying a new speedo ’cause of a newly grown wedgie).
29 Oct 2011, 19:16 pm
Well played Lions! A richly deserved season.
29 Oct 2011, 19:17 pm
Stefan’s last game?
29 Oct 2011, 19:18 pm
Briliant reception on the link given….
29 Oct 2011, 19:18 pm
Well done Lions. Far superior and entertaining!
29 Oct 2011, 19:18 pm
Well done lions! Jantjies superb. Sharks filthy tonight and deserved at least 3 yellow cards. Great day for sa rugby
29 Oct 2011, 19:18 pm
@julz(julz)-174: One can only hope.
29 Oct 2011, 19:19 pm
Elton jantjies is the business, that was brilliant!
29 Oct 2011, 19:20 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-172: you think i support the GUPPYS? bwahahahahahaha
29 Oct 2011, 19:20 pm
Well done Lions! You beat the a team fully laden with current and past Springboks!!
29 Oct 2011, 19:21 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-166:
29 Oct 2011, 19:21 pm
Imagine if Mitchell was the Bok coach. He has taken a team of no names to glory. What he could do if he was Bok coach.
29 Oct 2011, 19:22 pm
No cohesion or continuity from my guppies tonight.
29 Oct 2011, 19:23 pm
Jeesh I knew the Lions were going to take it today but not by this much – they have smacked the Sharks all the way back to Kings Park. Those boys in Joburg certainly deserve this one. Mitch you beaut! Amazing turnaround for a team that was nowhere at the beginning of the year. Also big thumb of the nose to Gumede – take that beeaitch. Just goes to show Bok or no Bok first comes the team. if you play like a unit you are unbeatable. The Sharks stuffed up by drafting all the Boks back in and at the end of the day they were ineffectual against players who are on top of their game. A big up yours to all the people who said Doppies who? or Hollenbach who? Or Jantjes isnt big enough etc etc. The Sharks got owned. Over and out – geklap. I´m looking forward to seeing this Lions team in Super Rugby. Cheetahs have also been playing some good rugby this year. Dont think next year the SA teams will be such pushovers. Also to all the people who reckoned Minnie doesnt have what it takes to be a Bok – what can I say? You boys dont know your rugby. Alberts, Deysel and Bismarck had a tough time on the park today. So good to see Sa rugby on the up and up.
29 Oct 2011, 19:23 pm
Mitchell look like a superhero action movie star
29 Oct 2011, 19:23 pm
Such pleasure and much fun watching these so different S. African advertisements.
It must break many a fragile, spoilt heart.
29 Oct 2011, 19:23 pm
@XV(XV)-183: The Boks would rule the rugby world again, if Mitch was the Bok coach and given enough time.
29 Oct 2011, 19:23 pm
EMPHATIC destruction of Guppieyuppie Bokkie laden Sharks by Mitch’s Lions
I never expected this one sided destruction of this Bok laden Guppieyuppie side
This Lions outfit got some serious Bok contenders and how Doppies never got recognized yet is a crime.
Wikus Van Heerden still the engine room leader in the tight 5 magnificent game by him and the Bondisio – Jantjies Combo with Taute at back put the Hoffman – Michalak Lambie combo in the shade. Hollenbach, Rhodes, Minnie, Strauss, Whitely also deserve medals of honor.
John Mitchell and Carlos Spencer under Kevin de Klerk g’dam miracle workers
Jantjies MOM one massive game on the night, young boy became a man today all that potential has come of age..
29 Oct 2011, 19:25 pm
Wooden Spoon
Come out wherever you are
29 Oct 2011, 19:26 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-189: well said for once. Spot on the money
29 Oct 2011, 19:27 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-188: it took him less than 2 years to turn the ship……imagine 4 yrs with the Boks…jeezzzz
29 Oct 2011, 19:28 pm
Now I am offered a game featuring S.A.Racens/Racists(maybe?) against Gloucester.
29 Oct 2011, 19:29 pm
DOOOPPPPIIIIEEEES!!!!
29 Oct 2011, 19:30 pm
One good thing
Won’t see that pillock great white here again
29 Oct 2011, 19:32 pm
So SARU would settle for Coetzee when they could have Mitchell?
29 Oct 2011, 19:32 pm
Vervet.
29 Oct 2011, 19:33 pm
‘Doppies – ek weet ons kan
maklik by 15 punte wen op
Saterdag [Doppies – we can easily
win by 15 points on Saturday],’
shouts one fan as the centre walks
past. La Grange replies with
cheeky smile.
29 Oct 2011, 19:33 pm
Good speech by Doppies… unlike Stefan last year he did not take a dig at anyone… just thanked all..
29 Oct 2011, 19:34 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-196: that is what the numb nuts will do…. sadly
29 Oct 2011, 19:35 pm
Wikus Van Heerden unsung hero along with CJ, Maku, Cilliers who owned Beast, Vd Merwe, Minnie, Rhodes, Strauss, Whitely. Enormous performances.
Mitchell has put the roar back at Ellis Park for sure. Deserved victory and emphatic season of a miracle Lions turnaround.
29 Oct 2011, 19:36 pm
Did mitchell ever once say he wanted the job? Huh?
29 Oct 2011, 19:36 pm
Intellectual capital of lions coaching staff and look at the result. Makes one wonder what they could do with the Boks as apposed to the intellectual children who turned gold into lead.
29 Oct 2011, 19:36 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-196: what part of mitch saying he is not in the running is not clear?
29 Oct 2011, 19:37 pm
Have a good evening all.
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-197: Chin up Spooner, you can always watch ‘Stictly’ for a laugh!!
29 Oct 2011, 19:38 pm
Doppies cute babyyY!!!!!!
29 Oct 2011, 19:38 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-202: money talks and BS walks.
29 Oct 2011, 19:39 pm
Where is the great Soda Joe now if one wants to congratulate him?
29 Oct 2011, 19:39 pm
@julz(julz)-203: dont you mean gold into ****?
29 Oct 2011, 19:39 pm
Conratulations to the Lions on a well deserved victory. It was a real fairytale end to the season. And they’ve proved that they are back as a force in South African rugby.
To all their supporters out there RL, katman, cab and the others. Enjoy the moment!!
29 Oct 2011, 19:39 pm
Nice jive Taute!
29 Oct 2011, 19:43 pm
Liooons…….Lioooons….Liooooons!
All hail the might Lions!
We love you John Mitchel, we love you.
We are going to name our children and grandchildren and great grandchildren after you. We love you.
Arise Sir John Mitchell, you have now been granted the freedom of Johannesburg.
29 Oct 2011, 19:43 pm
Nice to see all the WAGs taking victory walk too
29 Oct 2011, 19:43 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-196:
What would a pink-arsed Macaque/Makak minkey know about any coaching positives or negatives?
29 Oct 2011, 19:44 pm
SARU needs to beg Mitchell and Carlos to coach the boks and lions simultaneously.
29 Oct 2011, 19:45 pm
Nice vibe on the field, vibe just been ruined here.
29 Oct 2011, 19:47 pm
Magnificent crowd… nobody wants to go home in Cola Park..
29 Oct 2011, 19:49 pm
yoh, even JOZI shows up tonight hahahahaha enjoy sbali!
29 Oct 2011, 19:49 pm
just got back from the golf club at kloof cc.
what a great game – what a great final.
the club members applauded the lions at the final whistle.
well done – a fairy tale season.
it was a team against hot shot individuals – and the team won.
there is so much young talent coming through – the new bok coach must take advantage.
to the katman and all the other good lions supporters – well done guys and enjoy the moment.
29 Oct 2011, 19:52 pm
Doppies is one of the unsung hero of this game.. broke the line at will and his defence was impregnable..
29 Oct 2011, 19:52 pm
Yoh, Dawn and Trans aggro about Mitchell not wanting the job.
It’s very simple. You offer the dough.
29 Oct 2011, 19:53 pm
Leeuloop?
29 Oct 2011, 19:55 pm
Killian has perfected his skill as a support runner… he pops up everywhere!
29 Oct 2011, 19:57 pm
Where’s Ashwin Willemse tonight?
29 Oct 2011, 19:57 pm
Well done Lions, fantastic performance and well deserved victory. Loved every minute of it, awesome awesome!!!!
29 Oct 2011, 20:02 pm
nothing ‘aggro’ just asking a relevant question…
29 Oct 2011, 20:03 pm
Well done Lions.
Team wanted it more.
When Jantjes kicked the drop goal-Lions meant business
And Lions pack outplayed Sharks more illustrious counterparts.Cilliers,Maku were huge.Smashed Beast and Bismark.
Jantjes…Recognize fellas,he is now Bok 10 contender,BONAFIDE,8 out of 8
Plumtree is a fraud as a head coach,forwards coach at nest-been calling it for a while.
Mitchell has done a great job.still not a Bok coach so before people get on bandwagon-east easy.But well done,hopefully Superrugby they will be competitive
Hoffman,Joubert,Terblanche….nuff sed
29 Oct 2011, 20:05 pm
ok my turn for a question: Are the Boks a team that must be prepared to settle for 2nd best?
29 Oct 2011, 20:07 pm
@mshini
Yes, they were kak!
29 Oct 2011, 20:09 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-227:
“Plumtree is a fraud as a head coach,forwards coach at nest-been [sic] calling it for a while. “
Agree. Time for a change at the Sharks.
“Mitchell has done a great job.still not a Bok coach so before people get on bandwagon-east easy [sic].”
Disagree. If he was good enough for 3N and 85%+ for NZ, he is good enough for SA.
29 Oct 2011, 20:09 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-228:
What seemingly rational question can a pink-arsed Macaque/Makak minkey ask?
29 Oct 2011, 20:10 pm
Cronje injected urgency, adi, penetration and mvovo, pace…
29 Oct 2011, 20:12 pm
Can anyone hear that vervet chatter?
29 Oct 2011, 20:13 pm
maybe
not the
best
strategy
but i
really liked
how the
lions
kept running
at the
guppies
instead of just
winding it
down
towards
the end
29 Oct 2011, 20:13 pm
Watching Saracens play. Schalk Brits is starting. Wonder if Smit is on the bench?
29 Oct 2011, 20:14 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-233:
Not only does the pink-arsed Macaque/Makak hear and see but it also responds.
Does it suffer the blues in Brum or just up its bum?
29 Oct 2011, 20:14 pm
mshini: i hope elton has shown guys like HendrikP that he has the chops
29 Oct 2011, 20:15 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-237: Jantjes is very good. Bok no 10 for sure.
29 Oct 2011, 20:16 pm
Future Bok backline
15. Taute
14 JPP
13 JF
12 F steyn
11 Sadie
10 Lambie
9 Hougaard
And boys this is just My opinion
29 Oct 2011, 20:16 pm
Yoh Schalk Brits hasn’t lost his sidestep…
29 Oct 2011, 20:16 pm
Wooden spoon
Deans has a 75% win ratio at superrugby yet at internationals he stands at around 55% ratio…that’s worse than even mediocre John Connoly his predecessor.
Mitchell does good patch up jobs there after 18months,its very different…Force/Chiefs
But hey that’s me
29 Oct 2011, 20:17 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-235:
Lol, do you think he would have been able to “inspire” the Sharks to a victory today?
Mind you, Bismark was not at his best, in fact, i reckon he was outplayed by the lions no 2.
It was a tough day in the office for the sharks- at least they made the finals while WP is already on an early holiday.
29 Oct 2011, 20:18 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-242: lol, what did the much vaunted Boks bring to the table today? Nada.
29 Oct 2011, 20:19 pm
Glad to see Lions roaring big time. Enjoy thoroughly deserved triumph!
29 Oct 2011, 20:20 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-240:
Great player, that boykie from Mossel Bay.
Wish I could see the match- we got London Irish versus Luke’s old team on tv at the moment.
29 Oct 2011, 20:21 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-245: Saracens are doing all the attacking. 17-9 with 10mins to go, just got a penalty in front of the poles. Should be 17-12 with 8 to go.
29 Oct 2011, 20:21 pm
yes Well done Lions
Winning tri nations coach A Kiwi
Winning world cup Coach A kiwi
Winning Currie cup coach A Kiwi
Note the pattern?
29 Oct 2011, 20:21 pm
17 – 12 to Gloucester that is.
29 Oct 2011, 20:22 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-246:
Thks, please post the final score here as well.
29 Oct 2011, 20:23 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-249:
Hey Rob Watch it on http://www.vipbox.tv
29 Oct 2011, 20:25 pm
CoachPete
15.Aplon
14.JPP
13.De Jongh
12.Steyn
11.Mvovo
10.Lambie
9.Hougaard
29 Oct 2011, 20:26 pm
TMO try to Barrit?
Decision pending…
29 Oct 2011, 20:27 pm
Yes barritt scores ? maybe
29 Oct 2011, 20:27 pm
TRY to Brad Barrit.
17 all now, conversion in front. 4 mins to play.
29 Oct 2011, 20:27 pm
19-17 to S.A.racens.
29 Oct 2011, 20:27 pm
Persuade Mitch for the Boks!
I’d be happy if he remained with the Lions though too. We need players being taught such skills at provincial level; they’ll carry the skills through to the Bok side eventually.
29 Oct 2011, 20:28 pm
@ET.(ET.)-236:
stupid
dimwit
29 Oct 2011, 20:28 pm
Jantjies for flyhalf, Lambie for fullback and Taute from the bench.
29 Oct 2011, 20:29 pm
Well played Lions a greatt team always beats a bunch of individuals. Bizzie emphasized today why JS was selected above him at WC , he is too individualistic, Bandise was great. Jantjes showing that he can shape a game even when his pack is going backwards, lacks pace though. Imagine Lambie exposed to Carlos thinking and decision making, think he would be great, never mind Goosen
29 Oct 2011, 20:29 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-251:
Yes I like Aplon too
Mvovo I am not sure
JF is one of the best in the worl
29 Oct 2011, 20:30 pm
2 mins to play, Gloucester looking for the winning penalty…
29 Oct 2011, 20:30 pm
funny how the sharks rejects, especially patrick cilliers, but also rhodes and whitely, played out of their skins tonight.
there seems to be a very good spirit going in that lions team – not sure the same applies to the other provincial sides.
this was a strange final for me – obviously would have been happy for the sharks to get their name on the trophy again – but seeing the lions play so well was actually quite heartwarming.
oooh fark, getting sentimental now……
8)
29 Oct 2011, 20:32 pm
Saracens win 19 -17
29 Oct 2011, 20:41 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-250:
Thanks Pete, link not working well here today
U OK otherwise?
29 Oct 2011, 20:41 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-218: Ngiyabonga Trans, tonight I’ll sleep a very happy man.
29 Oct 2011, 20:41 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-263:
Thanks.
29 Oct 2011, 20:42 pm
@woodie spoofie
” S.A.racens ”
Clear case of pink-arsed Macaque monkie SEE, pink-arsed Makak monkie DO!
29 Oct 2011, 20:43 pm
sorry I don’t understand vervet chatter.
29 Oct 2011, 20:44 pm
Hey Cab –Long time no post but thought I better show face and say nice one for u man! Enjoy it! Stoked for u and all the very patient Lions supporters.
Thick and thin for u all and some solid cred back in the jersey 2nite which is the way it should be.Lets see where Mr Mitchell takes things next. I have a feeling he is just getting started———–
29 Oct 2011, 20:48 pm
Wassheonabout
29 Oct 2011, 20:51 pm
If the boks persist with traditional bok play leave jantjies out of the team. Boks will just waste him.
29 Oct 2011, 21:07 pm
Just in case people had something to say about weakened Currie Cup or Super15 side, they went and did it by 26 points.
That’s some statement.
So proud today.
29 Oct 2011, 21:12 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-259: Agree totally. We and everyone can see why JS was chosen ahead of Bissie for wc. Bismarck is a brilliant player but very much a individual player sometimes.
Lambie should ALWAYS start at 10 for the Sharks. Have no idea why Plum insists with starting Freddie there when Lambie is our best at the Sharks. He will have to think about that for SuperRugby. Freddie can start at scrummie. He was brought to Sharks to cover fh and sh. Lambie is getting messed about starting at fb when you think he was Sharks best fh in last years CC and also our best fh in our conference in SuperRugby.
Plum has to select right. Also we need centres. Joubert is just not up to it and Stefan had his last game today. We need to try out our youngsters there for next year.
29 Oct 2011, 21:13 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-272:
U should be proud.
Brilliant stuff by the Lions- that is how rugby must be played.
Enjoy.
29 Oct 2011, 21:13 pm
Well done to the Lions. Deserved winners tonight.
Congrats to the Lions supporters here. Very good win for your team tonight.
29 Oct 2011, 21:14 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-251:
Finally going to disagree with you heheh
15.Aplon – is not tall enough to field the cross kicks and high bombs. Put him at 11. I say the Bok encumbents should be Taute, Lambie and Riaan Viljoen
14.JPP – possibly but he blows very hot and cold. He seems to always play better for the Boks though. for wings we now have quite a few contenders. JJ Engelbrecht, Aplon, Mvovo, Sithole, JP Pietersen, Nokwe and Killian.
13.De Jongh – possible but he ahs stiff competition too. Doppies has power man really. Sadie makes a good centre in my opinion and Jacques fourie still in the running
12.Steyn – Agreed – best at 12. We have some nice up n coming talents with Hollenbach (who is like De Villiers but more powerful and with more of an arsenal when it comes to stepping. Showed De Villiers up last week), also possibly Dippenaar for the future.
11.Mvovo – see above
10.Lambie – think he´s more suited to 15 or possibly 12 and Jantjes has the wood on him at the moment. We also have some othe good up and coming flyhalves like Goosen, Ebersohn and I´d say Morne will still be in the running.
9.Hougaard – in my opinion he should be playing 11. He is a devasating runner and a more average scrumhalf. Look forward to some scrummies starting to rise up above the masses – but players in the running would be Vermaak, Bondesio, Piet van Zyl possibly Sarel if he can improve his defence. Jury is out on this one for now.
In summary – lots of exciting possibilites. Ditto for the forwards. But what has to change is the coaching. Mitchell has done a great job in making a bunch of losers believe in themselves. They are playing with such positivity and belief and as a solid unit. On top of that their defence has improved vastly – they literally held the Sharks out for large parts of the game and took their chances when it came in whatever form – meaning they truly are playing whats in front of them – which has been old Divvy´s dream forever. I thought even their scrum managed to hold its own vs the pseudo Bok pack. Such a solid performance. Cant take that away from Mitchell – he has turned one of the worst teams in Super Rugby into a major force. That is no small feat. He didnt have this type of success at the Force because I think they didnt have the talent. In Sa we are bursting with talent and he is utilising it well. Kudos to him – and for surviving the turmoil of a knife attack and Gumede pulling the funding. No I say big credit to these boys. Theyre contenders for the Super Rugby title next year at this rate. Mark my words.
29 Oct 2011, 21:15 pm
I was totally enthralled with the final and outcome this evening. There are many facets to this victory, principle of which is the ethos that rugby is a team sport first. On paper the Sharks were the better team, by far which made the contest all the more interesting. But we knew the Lions were up for this and the coaching staff had prepared these guys superbly all season. They were also allowed to gel together as a team and no amount of Springboks in the opposition would have topped these guys in this competition finale. I have never been a Lions supporter but I was one today. Rugby was the winner today.
29 Oct 2011, 21:16 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-272: Well done to your team Katman. Have a few glasses of cold one on me.
That was a very good performance by your team.
Great to see Ellis Park so full. Almost reminded me of the tests played there. Good stuff and hope it stays full for next year. Think it will.
29 Oct 2011, 21:17 pm
Well done Lions. You deserve your moment in the sun.
Hopefully you can take this form into Superugby 2012.
29 Oct 2011, 21:17 pm
Also consider this: This same team dismantled the Bok backline last week against WP with some very solid forwards like Schalk being absolutely bashed backwards. Schalkie was losing his toys. To me that shows just how damn good this team is. Kolisi got bashed senseless. Tiaan Liebenberg was being thrown around like a ragdoll. Which also brings me to the point that Maku is a damn fine hooker. He didnt take a step back against Bissie today. man i´m not even a Lions supporter but that was really great. 2 weeks of absolutely bone crunching superiority against a lot of the WC Boks. Respect brothers respect.
29 Oct 2011, 21:20 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-277: Which is exactly why I laughed when people were calling a massive Sharks win. I´ll say it every time. The team that works as a unit wins. Forget the big names. Look at what happened with the Boks – Habana, Smit, Bakkies, Pienaar, Fourie du Preez. The guys went for the names and not for the form players. De Villiers, Spies pffft nowhere. Teams win games not individuals. Look at the SBW show. He hardly featured in the WC. The All Black team bashed out a victory vs France and there was hardly any individual flair that did it. It sure helps but only if the team is functioning as a unit.
29 Oct 2011, 21:20 pm
Sheesh I hope Dusky is super hungry today, that humble pie must be massive
What a great final, good advert for SA rugby – lots of attacking running rugby. And of course the right result. Well done again Lions, made us all very proud
29 Oct 2011, 21:22 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-276: well rationalized and I’m leaning with you on next season’s S15 contenders. This team certainly does look the real deal. They are extremely well coached. Plaudits to John Mitchell and Co.
29 Oct 2011, 21:22 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-277: Like Stefen said after last years CC win over your team Tassies. It was a team effort that done if for Sharks last year and it was again this year a team effort that done it for the Lions. Well done to the Lions a great team effort.
Doubt we will see many Boks in CC after this year. A huge pity that Aus had the say over our CC for a long SuperRugby. Just love Currie Cup. Sometimes more so than SuperRugby.
Heck almost had tears in my eyes when they sang our Anthem before the game. Awesome. Only Currie Cup can offer that kinda rugby and atmostphere. Best domestic rugby tourney in the world. Nothing will ever beat it. Pity we sold it down the river for Oz and SuperRugby.
29 Oct 2011, 21:23 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-272:
The Lions put in a magnificent performance. I posted to you earlier as well – they’re back as a force in SA rugby.
Enjoy the celebrations.
Are you still standing?
29 Oct 2011, 21:23 pm
Rugby365:
New Bok coach: The job requirements
Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:52
Do you have what it takes to be a Bok coach? (c) Gallo
The candidates may not be queuing in large numbers at the South African Rugby Union headquarters in Cape Town, but the requirements for the new Springbok coach appear to be very easy to meet.
SARU CEO Jurie Roux, back in SA from the World Cup in New Zealand – and subsequent IRB business, took time out to answer questions sent through the union’s website.
And most of those questions centred on just two aspects – the next Bok coach, to take over from Peter de Villiers, as well as the performance of referee Bryce Lawrence in the SA team’s quarterfinal loss to Australia and other refereeing.
Roux has the makings of a good politician, as he was very evasive when asked if the next appointment would be on merit… or meet the country’s affirmative action requirements.
Of course, De Villiers’s appointment, as SARU President Oregan Hoskins told the entire world just four years ago, was for “reasons other than just rugby”.
sarugby.co.za reader Mathew O’Neil asked Roux if the appointment of the next Springbok coach would be for purely rugby reasons or – like in the case of De Villiers – would other factors come into the mix?
Roux answered: “Dear Mathew, the Springboks are the prime concern of SARU and doing what is right for them will be the principle factor. They need an outstanding rugby leader, who can handle the many challenges of the job.”
Jacques (no surname), asked what SARU looked for most in a Springbok coach and what the duration of his contract would be.
Roux answered: ”Dear Jacques, the duration of the contract will be determined by the Executive Council as we review our options but in terms of the criteria there will be obvious requirements such as high-level coaching experience; proven track record as a head coach; ability to withstand pressure; strong presentation skills; excellent man management abilities and familiarity with the game at the highest level.”
Andre Pretorius asked when and where the announcement will be made.
Roux answered: “Dear Andre, we will be advertising the position in due course but an announcement will depend on the availability and any subsequent negotiations with whoever is identified as the preferred candidate.”
Dieter Becker suggested that there was a perception amongst many die-hard Bok supporters, both in SA and the diaspora, that the leadership of SA rugby was weak and had a “ja-baas” attitude of subservience to the dictates of sponsors and the ANC.
He was referring, amongst other things, to the Absa SMS debacle and the Absa CEO saying blatantly that as they pay the money they will call the shots. He also asked about the decision to move the Bok to the sleeve during the World Cup, when the IRB insisted that their logo take pride of place on the chest on the jersey.
Roux answered: “Dear Dieter, you are entirely wrong. My predecessor as CEO had written to provinces on the same subject two weeks before Absa raised their concerns with us, and without ever saying that they ‘called the shots’.
“On the logo we had a choice – we either removed the national flag to place the Bok on the sleeve or we did not compete at the tournament. We took the view that appearing at the tournament – and every subsequent Rugby World Cup – was more important to our game than not attending. You may disagree, however.”
There were numerous questions about the refereeing at the World Cup and Roux said SARU made their views known through the “appropriate channels” as part of the review process and it is up to the IRB to manage international referees as they see fit.
He added that he felt no referee sets out to be bad or biased.
Said Roux: “However they do make mistakes – as they will concede – but we should also be wise enough to concede that when we win games we rarely complain about the referee, while the losers may be furious.”
29 Oct 2011, 21:23 pm
@charo(charo)-262: well said man – its great to see all the unions coming good. Cheetahs have also been holding their heads high. Looking forward to next years Super 15. I think the Sa teams are going to be great. Except maybe the Bulls lol.
29 Oct 2011, 21:25 pm
Sharks really need to sort out that midfield. Throughour the game we were only worries when their forward were on a roll – whenever the ball got to Joubert or Terblanche there was nothing to panic about. Shocking for a top union
I agree with Lambie for 10 – I rate him highly, rock solid at the back but no x-factor for that position IMO. Taute is an awesome fullback! Lions need to invest in the front row. lock and a world class loosie would be good. Been very impressed with Rhodes but still gutted we ever let Alberts go!
29 Oct 2011, 21:27 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-264:
Yes Hi there I am fine thanks
29 Oct 2011, 21:27 pm
Most important players for the Lions today (and most of the season):
Elton Jantjies: He has come of age. Officially. If anyone still doubts this, then fck off. Seriously.
Jaco Taute: Hard to believe he’s just 21. Big, strong, fast, brave and blessed with remarkable decision making skills. Surely the future of the Bok fullback.
Derek Minnie: Take a look at the end of each game – this guy is as battered and bruised as any one player can be. Immensely strong and very quick to latch on – it’s hard to neutralize his threat.
Michael Bondisio: Most people thought that losing Jano was a nail in the coffin (one of many), but this man has shut those voices up. A different player to Vermaak, but sharp, gutsy and with a keen eye for what might be a gap.
Pat Cilliers: Surplus to Sharks requirements, this is the single best buy to come from Gumede’s cheque book. More than held his own in the scrum, but it’s his aggression on defense and at rucks that really proved his worth.
Josh Strauss: Most sides would kill for a captain like him. He walks the walk and lets others talk about him. Long may he lead this side. Please.
Doppies la Grange: The Bok selectors don’t seem to be interested, but this is the best midfielder in SA at the moment. Great distributor of the ball, line-breaker of note and steals balls better than most fetchers. Plus it’s like having two captains on the field.
Franco van der Merwe: Gave up the captaincy to focus on his game. And boy, did it pay off. He’s quick, not afraid to get stuck in, deadly in the lineout and… wait for it… a THIRD captain on the field.
There are many others who played their part, but these guys were magic.
29 Oct 2011, 21:29 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-280: good point. If one were to combine last week’s Stormers/WP Springboks with today’s Sharks Springboks, one could reasonably assume a full first choice Springbok side, barring a few exceptions. The point I’m trying to make is, this Lions side is coached and managed as a quality rugby team, regardless of stars(acknowledged talent). The Springboks were badly coached/managed, in spite of the individual quality and look where they ended up. Both WP and the Sharks had the benefit of their Springboks in limited doses and the team principle suffered. The Lions built a team. They won. Anyone surprised?
29 Oct 2011, 21:33 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-290: well said man – amazing to have so much new talent to tap – if the next Bok coach again picks Kirchner, Habana, Odwa, Jean de Villiers, Ruaan Pienaar, Fourie du Preez, Spies, Bakkies, or Wynand Olivier I´ll personally call a hit on him. We have some fantastic new talents coming through and they need to get their chances now. Out with the old and in with the new.
We can hang on to JP Pietersen, Jacques Fourie, Morne Steyn, Alberts, Burger, Juan Smith, Gurthro and Bismarck from the old guard and Andries Becker if you want to regard him as one of the older Boks – the rest must bugger off forever now.
29 Oct 2011, 21:34 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-274: @Puma(Puma)-278: @I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-285: Thanks guys. It’s been a long wait, but it feels sweet now. Just hope to god we can take some of this into the Super15. Not saying we should win it, but a top 6 finish would be cool. And I think that’s entirely possible with the squad we have. With Mapoe back and perhaps one more lock and prop we’ll be styling.
29 Oct 2011, 21:35 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-291: exactly! and then people are calling for that dork Allister Coetzee to be the coach? He who is not signing any forwards this year, who is keeping Habana on and letting JJ Englebrecht and Sadie go. Puhlease man. The Stormers are about to enter a steep downward curve if they continue like this.
29 Oct 2011, 21:36 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-292: oh and Frans Steyn of course
29 Oct 2011, 21:36 pm
Those people still championing Smit over Bismark got absolute rocks in their heads..
Smit lost Boks the WC.. I have zero doubt about this fact… Smits inclusion in the Bok run on side basically lost the momentum the Boks required to win the quarter final along with favoring Spies over Alberts and FdP over Hougaard.
Smit was simply a non factor his leadership did not even feature ONCE when Bryce was blowing us off the park.. had Smit NOT been present Boks would have stood a far better chance.. of this I have absolutely NO doubt whatsoever..
Smit did not win a fully fledged international test for TWO whole years under his captaincy.. his inclusion in the team was a LIABILITY and NOT an asset..
29 Oct 2011, 21:36 pm
@Puma(Puma)-284: hullo Pumes. Sorry you had to be on the painful end boet but the better team won on the day, no doubt. This is good for SA rugby and rugby in general. My team, WP, have relied on so called ‘star’ players for far too long. They have concentrated on buying players at the expense of building a team. Check the trophy cupboard. Pretty empty. The reason is quite simple really.
29 Oct 2011, 21:41 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-290:
I have always said Doppies was a class center
I could never understand how a player like WO was elected in the squad ahead of him
I was always told he was too small, but Aplon and Jdj were not?
Teute yes bok 15 for sure
That pushes steyn to 12 and lambie to 10 with so many back up 10 like elton and goosen
29 Oct 2011, 21:41 pm
Schalk Burger almost lost the semi final vs Lions single handed.. These dumb idiot coaches who believe Schalk Burger is some kind of super human god of all seasons also got no brain cells between their ears.. Not only do they make the kamikaze man the go to midfield operative ball carrier first receiver, they also make him captain and chief cook and bottle washer.. and then they wonder why the fck Stormers – WP lose EVERY time that they have to step up to the plate where leadership and decision making and decent team work tactics like Lions showed tonight and last weekend are paramount and required. (or Boks for that matter when Burger can’t do f’all about breaching the advantage line or else loosing the ball on the deck to gift the opposition a gimme try from a set ruck ball move)
29 Oct 2011, 21:42 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-297:
How zit man ?
Pro surfers are here in the San fran bay area this weekend
29 Oct 2011, 21:43 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-299: hehe well said. He is like yin yang too me. He does alot of great work but undoes it by a plethora of stupid and lame stuff too. I´m on the fence regarding Schalk.
29 Oct 2011, 21:44 pm
Is there any rugby nation that over-hypes a small rugby positivity as much as you lot who now crow and crow in the absence of a real measure.
What better measure has there been in the last 24 months outside of S.Hemisphere rugby and its recent RWC?
S.A. rugby is WEAK and when has a quarter-final exit been an acceptable yardstick of assessment?
The Lions beating 2 ‘Bok-laden teams in the last 2 weeks says absolutely very little. These self-same decrepit ‘Boks of 2011 RWC fame have mentally been out of rugby since their q-f loss which was two weeks before the WC Final And todays final is some time after that.
S.A. rugby is the weakest in the S.H. and also weaker than France of the RWC final and even Wales.
Which leaves what other tier one nations other than England, Ireland and Scotland.
Wisdom says wait for the S15 of 2012 for any decent measure before you crow as much as you all now do.
All that today’s final emphatically stated was that there is no replacement for passion, motivation, the subsequent commitment and will to win and the confidence which goes with the collective of the above mixture.
29 Oct 2011, 21:44 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-294: sad isn’t it. I bracket Alastair with Jake, whom I don’t rate. At all. He might have won the WC but I’m sorry, I don’t rate him. Had he been around in 2011 as Bok coach I suspect we’d have seen exactly the same result as PdV delivered. They are both stubborn, egotistical people and I think the teams would have been very similar for both coaches. In sharp contrast, John Mitchell is a seriously good coach, as is Robbie Deans, Warren Gatland and Graham Henry. All Kiwis is entirely coincidental to the argument. But, regardless of their nationality, they are simply great coaches. Period.
29 Oct 2011, 21:46 pm
@ET.(ET.)-302:
“SA rugby weak”
Disagree big time mate
Weak because we selected the wrong players “has beens”
The amount of fantastic talent out there tell s SA will be back if they hire a good coach and select the best team
29 Oct 2011, 21:47 pm
Elton is the form 10 in SA. Finish & Klaar..
Taute is the form 15 in SA. Finish & Klaar…
29 Oct 2011, 21:47 pm
@ET.(ET.)-302: Compared to your miserable existence, we have plenty to crow about. We have a great finale to a great Currie Cup.
You have a slight improvement in your athlete’s foot condition and the anticipation of tomorrow’s crossword puzzle.
So fck off and let the cool kids do their thing.
29 Oct 2011, 21:47 pm
@ET.(ET.)-302: your logic is not even worth discussing. You are just a miserable attention-seeking piece of work, whom no-one takes seriously.
29 Oct 2011, 21:48 pm
Coetsee – Burger combination is a train smash unfolding… No direction is gonna come from that nonentity of a leadership equation… as has been proved for almost 3 years running now where every time Stormers / WP have flattered to deceive under this nonentity of a lost leader disposition..
The comparison in coaching ethic and determination plus a complete cohesive game pattern and coordination from ALL 22 contributors between Mitchel and almost every other coach in the country is like chalk and cheese.. Coetsee got schooled by Mitchel last weekend and Plumtree took a similar hiding today… Meyer / Ludike haven’t fared much better and only Naka Drotske can boast some kind of reasonable game style in contention amongst the top candidates.. except Cheetahs got too thinly veiled depth to call on and their backs lack physicality compared to the Lions combinations.
29 Oct 2011, 21:48 pm
Lions
Lions
Lions
Mitchell
Mitchell
mitchell
are you taking note Hoskins?
29 Oct 2011, 21:53 pm
SA rugby is in a good space based on the amount of young talent available. Which could be made better by the choice of a quality coaching and management staff. If they choose badly based on criteria other than purely rugby reasons, then I’m afraid we are to expect more of the same. The coach should be selected on merit, regardless of race, ***, age, nationality, sexual preference or any other reason other than rugby nous.
29 Oct 2011, 21:53 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-308: Naka in my opinion is one of the better Sa coaches at the moment. Cheetahs are playing some scintillating rugby.
With regards to Coetzee and Burger I think youre also omitting De Villiers, Habana from the equation. the fact Coetzee just signed another 3 year deal with Habs whilst letting JJ and Sadie go says it all. Cue Rassie saying they are not in the market for any forwards and that pretty much tells you everything you need to know about the Stormers current state of affairs
29 Oct 2011, 21:55 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-303: I agree fully best coaches in the world are the Kiwis. I think SA has by far the largest talent pool – teaming the 2 up would be devastating for World Rugby. As usual we are the only ones holding ourselves back.
29 Oct 2011, 21:55 pm
Todays win by the Lions tells us a few things
1. A shift of power
2. The team had a decent coach
3. Lions did not have the disruption of bok players in and out during the season
4. Some great new talent stepping up and playing well
29 Oct 2011, 21:58 pm
@ET.(ET.)-302: what this nincompoop fckarse understands about rugby is downright dangerous.. he’s a f’ng skittle sticks arsecreep boffin alongside his other fantasy infatuation with pommie arse poefball or sacos kleptomania kaapse klopse skop en skandale … rugby is simply way out of his orbit.. he should fck off to where they discuss kaapse klopse sacos skopenskandale or else that other pom pom pastime called all-fall-down poefball … over here he’s just an irritating nonentity gnat that buzzes around the place pretending he knows wtf is actually cutting in a sport he got fckall clue about whatsof’ngever…
29 Oct 2011, 22:00 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-304: Hi Pete. Hows Frisco? Agree. Plenty of talent. Just need to harness it properly. Mitchell showed how. Elton Jantjies is a perfect example. They have done an extraordinary job on this young raw talent. He could so easily have been ruined by a lesser coach. Fortunately he bumped into Mitchell and will probably never look back. Ditto some of the other players. Here I’m thinking Cilliers, Rhodes, Struass and a multitude of other no-names in the Lions team, who were taken out of obscurity and turned into gems. How good is that?
29 Oct 2011, 22:04 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-304:
One item of evidence is the q-f exit in the recent RWC and another the exit in the S15; a real measuring tool wrt other rugby-playing nations.
@>^..^< katman(katman)-306: @TASSIES(TASSIES)-307:
If you do not knock the facts then all you offer is wasteful emotional garbage which I will not waste my time addressing.
The analytical approach is couched in the scientific method and in science emotionalism is an absolute weakness which takes you away from the real situation and not toward it.
29 Oct 2011, 22:05 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-313: points 1 to 4 spot on. There is a serious problem at coaching level in this country. At schoolboy level the system has proved to be fine but further up the ladder, South Africa has been found wanting. At has been this way for a very long time with few exceptions over the years.
29 Oct 2011, 22:07 pm
@ET.(ET.)-316: wadda wadda wadda. ET your credibility sucks. You might be a scientist in your interpretation of the word but really, get a life.
29 Oct 2011, 22:08 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-311: Jean de Villiers should have been Stormers / WP captain the past two years and this dumbfck infatuation with Burger should have been canned a long time ago and WP-Stormers would have returned some silver ware, I have very little doubt about this.. JDV is 100 times the leader / captain / coordinating reasonable force of cerebral equanimity in the Stormers – WP setup that Burger could ever possible hope to be… yet they do well under JdV when Burger is absent only to chuck him aside and revert to the dumbfck delusional idiocy when Burger returns.. to LOSE every single time under that moronic misplaced idiotic mayhem madness…
It is simply a leadership and a game style mismanagement situation by both Rassie and Coetsee.. Burger should NEVER be captain and he should NEVER be the go to mid field ball carry operative in the backline .. and Stormers / WP would have undoubtedly returned some success.. with JdV as captain and Habana in the side…
People are duped by some insane hero worshiping ignorance.. same as they did with Smit / FdP and similarly Burger.. these are the weakest links in the Boks and WP and Sharks setups.. in spite of what people cannot seem to get their heads around the fact that they are NOT the outright go to men they thought they are / were..
29 Oct 2011, 22:12 pm
@HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-167: Ek wonder waar is daai Great White palooka en ou Dusky vanaand? Daai was nou goeie rugby…. nogal met 14 man en ‘n gift try vir die guppies. Op die Leeus, laat hy val net waar hy wil.
29 Oct 2011, 22:13 pm
@theOracle(theOracle)-305: hear hear..
Though gonna be a mighty big call selecting the next fly half between Elton Jantjies and Johan Goosen when they are both on song
Dunno where the gonna slot in Lambie because Taute and even Viljoen offer much more from 15 and Jantjies / Goosen offer much more from 10
29 Oct 2011, 22:15 pm
what I find most interesting is the intense analysis of a player on this blog, which to me, sometimes borders on the idiotic. A player is analysed for his particular skill, work-rate, defense, whatever and when I study a replay, I can see little obvious evidence of the interpretation. Another blogger will espouse exactly the opposite, together with the necessary conviction. I’m often baffled. To my mind, rugby has always been a team sport. Great performances are most often based on team effort/combinations(centre parings for eg) and a 15 man collective. Much like we saw today. It was hard to pick a MOM, there were so many contenders. When this is the case, it usually means a great team delivered. Not an individual. A player can provide a great pass. But another player has to catch and use it.
29 Oct 2011, 22:15 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-317: I read an interview on cricinfo with Fanie de Villiers the other day. One of the points he made was that he was all for transformation when it comes to players, but not so for coaches. His reasoning was that a coach is just too important and the best man must always get the job, also that way more “transformation” players will make the step up, as they are being coached by the best.
Transformation aside i thought he made a very good point about the importance of coaches.
29 Oct 2011, 22:16 pm
wow what a game by the Lions, yes my team played Krap… but Lions were the hungrier so Kudo’s to them
Congrats to all lions supporters and their team ,
29 Oct 2011, 22:16 pm
You certainly reflect the mentality of kids and hence there is NO counter argument that you can present.
When the truth cannot be countered, even wrt to a game like rugby, then all else is worthless.
Anecdotes and emotions are just that and no more. They advance nothing worthy.
29 Oct 2011, 22:18 pm
Good move Jano Vermaak
29 Oct 2011, 22:19 pm
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-324:
What would a best 15 from those two teams do against Australia, France, New Zealand or Wales?
29 Oct 2011, 22:20 pm
@ET.(ET.)-316: The only conclusive scientific fact exposed here on this forum is that you are a miserable kont and a sad little man. The evidence is there for all to see. Ask a hundred people here and you’ll get a hundred affirmatives. A scientific mind like yours should like that certainty, hey.
29 Oct 2011, 22:22 pm
@Knersboy(Knersboy)-323: its the same in business. A coach/leader can make all the difference. A coach is a visionary. Unlike ET here, who’s only view is his twat from the inside.
29 Oct 2011, 22:23 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-321:
“Dunno where the gonna slot in Lambie because Taute and even Viljoen offer much more from 15 and Jantjies / Goosen offer much more from 10″
I agree 100% with that statement. Lambie’s role as someone said earlier might be more as a utility back… covering 10,12,15. Lets face it, he has better BMT than Ruan..
29 Oct 2011, 22:25 pm
hey ET, catch a wake up knobhead, science got nothing to do with rugby, and as for unemotional, dont make me laugh, its completely the opposite, and i fact your view towards the Springboks is completely influenced and prejdiced by that of payback and resentment.
you an idiot, the boks got far more talent than oz, if theyd picked the right players, the Boks wouldve dropkicked them reg deur die pale.
29 Oct 2011, 22:27 pm
Imagine a world with no emotion
Extraball’s uutopia
Lions would’ve just walked off field like robots
Crowds would sit there in stony silence
29 Oct 2011, 22:27 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-328: have you dried your eyes yet Mr Cat? You must have wept copious joyous tears between 7 and now. Tear-ducts need a top-up? Georgie used to say “four more years”. Yours was like “25 years” no? No more years.
29 Oct 2011, 22:28 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-328:
Without the presentation of relevant facts to substantiate your claim it all amounts to living in a world of sublime FANTASY.
One hundred out of one hundred on an emotion-loaded question is still merely emotional garbage. It is not grounded in FACT.
What would be your Null hypothesis?
29 Oct 2011, 22:30 pm
@cab(cab)-331: ag he’s a complete undiluted little plonker with a giant redwood in full growth on both shoulders. Miserable idiot.
29 Oct 2011, 22:31 pm
yeah thank Fck Jano Vermaak fckd off across the Jukskei he is absolutely NOT missed one little teeny weeny itsy bitsy bit .. soon as Mitchell heard he signing for Bulls he was OUT on his f’ng ear.. and that exactly how its supposed to be.. I never really rated Vermaak that much in recent years anyway.. better scrummies around..
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-322: Burger like Smit like FdP when he is below par in his head or his psyche are LIABILITIES to a team context.. no matter how much so called aura or hero status they supposed to imbibe.. they are more of a liability to the overall cohesive team ethic than they are to the whole.. because their inclusion disrupts the team dynamic more than it enhances it.. very simple deduction to make.. as SOON as someone is placed at a position greater than a simple cog in a teamwork wheel they are NO more a cohesive functioning contributor and the psychological disruption in the overall dynamic negates their so called superior ability or attribute which in most cases is even a misnomer and a figment of illusion.. because all of Smit, Burger and FdP have been less than their legacy and reputation aspire too in recent times..
Burger may still give 110% commitment and effort in every case but the quality of his contribution is not at the same level of composed input as one who has less demand made of his hero status stature and who functions within the cohesive uncompensated collective for example Minnie or Strauss or Rhodes or Whitely tonight..
29 Oct 2011, 22:31 pm
Utopia. Before spelling nazi gets me.
29 Oct 2011, 22:32 pm
@ET.(ET.)-316:
The exit out of the WC qf was as a result of poor coaching and selecting players who were over the hill
Incorrect promises were made to some players by the coach
As we found out these senior player pretty much ran the show
I would not connect the showing of the boks as negative reflection of SA rugby and the great talent we have here
29 Oct 2011, 22:32 pm
@Ajay(Ajay)-269:
howzit going? yeah pretty damn good result today, lions looking good.
its actually quite amazing, there was an article about the sharks have 7 springboks, but they got alot more then that, most of their team are international or former – there is no way this Lions team should get a top 6 finish in the S15 on paper, but they are playing like men possessed so who knowns. I dont think ther is a fitter more committed team in world rugby at the moment. Cilliers moves more like a centre than a prop. Van heerden was a past flanker and the loose trio just go all day, the centres are looking, hollenbach and doppies not too shabby at all. Jantjies has benefitted hugely from carlos. taute looking good.
29 Oct 2011, 22:34 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-335:
he’s a complete twat.
how was the kiwi adventure? u have a few tassies, can u get any in NZ or u take in the luggage?
29 Oct 2011, 22:34 pm
Latest trend includes emo in science fyi
29 Oct 2011, 22:36 pm
its quite simple…..imagine how good the Boks would be if a coach like Mitchell was in charge. Dont dismiss Burger, du Plessis etc…they were merely badly coached. You need a good coach to polish the talent we have in SA. And for those guys backing Goosen at flyhalf…..he needs more time. A talent for sure but one great game does not make a Bok. he should be nurtured like Mitchell has done with Jantjies.
29 Oct 2011, 22:36 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-332:
Whiskeys getting to you? @<a href="#comment-
29 Oct 2011, 22:38 pm
@cab(cab)-331:
Again playing the stupid?
Is there absolutely no physics when a kick at goal is attempted?
Does the falling quuarter-back not have to readjust from what he would do if he was standing steady on his two feet before he launches his throw to a receiver?
Why are measuring devices now used more and more in sport such as cricket and others?
Is the measurement of time in any sport not a measurement of a parameter of physics?
Is what happens in the mind of a sportsman on the field of play not scientifically grounded?
Ever heard of the mental attitude or approach?
Are you just talking K A K again?
29 Oct 2011, 22:39 pm
@theOracle(theOracle)-330:
Nice problem to have lambie , Elton , and Goosen
I have always agreed Skoppie about Jdv been wp or stormers captain
Skalk is Not a captain and by not been captain he can concentrate on his game
29 Oct 2011, 22:39 pm
No cab extraball is ET
Extra testicle
29 Oct 2011, 22:40 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-345:
Sorry that was responding to Skoppie
29 Oct 2011, 22:41 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-338:
Is your ” coaching and selecting ” not part and parcel of a nation’s rugby?
Do some national teams not do it better than others and thus get to finals even if they play mind(mental) games with the opposition the way France did?
29 Oct 2011, 22:43 pm
Well done to the Lions. I incorrectyly predicted a Sharks victory and instead the deservided Lions victors kicked ‘guppies’ arse….but well done from a champion Currie Cup side.
The Sharks lost and it was to the best side.
29 Oct 2011, 22:44 pm
@ET.(ET.)-348:
We did no select the coach or the players
its pretty much obvious what is talked about here what was wrong with the bok situation
29 Oct 2011, 22:44 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-341: ya these dumbfck scientists dunno their emo from their a-holes they so anti emo that when you pull the jackrabbit from out their new religion ivory tower super duper intellect hat they burst a blood vessel because you are blaspheming against the pseudo high priest society of dumbfck know-it-nots…
29 Oct 2011, 22:45 pm
Professor doctor katman has found ET to be an inferior specimen. He has published this scientific fact in his journal. And his peers support his findings. Ask professor doctors cab, dawn and tassies. They reached the exact same conclusion when presented with the evidence. Fact. No one disagrees.
29 Oct 2011, 22:46 pm
@ET.(ET.)-348:
and IMO we were better than the aussies on the day Bryce disagreed
and i think we are better than the french especially with a correctly selected side and no injuries and a decent coach
29 Oct 2011, 22:46 pm
An unanswered post is not in my rule book a worthy effort.
Those, may be better off dead if they have not yet died, or dyed.
29 Oct 2011, 22:48 pm
how you going to apply physics to the boot of a kicker who might step on a ****, let a ripper go at the wrong moment, into a south easter that varies, and controlled by a mind beset with the bekak pressure of a final? No-one knows all the factors, no-one can measure all the factors known, and no-one can process all the factors quick enough in realtime to do anything with it.
Physics is about as pure as it gets and they reduced to bashing particles into one another like whats going on in your kop, down from that is medical science where they dont know **** from shiola most of the time, and then psychiatry u in deep trouble cos they even more beneked in the kop then their patients. the golden rule when it comes to medicine, hope to fk nature can heal it, cos if u got to go to the doctors u in a heap of manure ek se.
29 Oct 2011, 22:49 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-353:
For every one of you they may well be 10 or more Aussies or Kiwis or Frenchies who would express a similar emotional response.
It is not FACT but it is misguided opinion.
29 Oct 2011, 22:50 pm
@cab(cab)-355:
What then the **** are you on about?
29 Oct 2011, 22:51 pm
@ET.(ET.)-356:
No I sincerely feel we have the talent to win the tri nations and be very successful against N hemispehere teams
There is amazing SA rugby talent in south africa and in europe too
29 Oct 2011, 22:52 pm
@ET.(ET.)-354: who the fck you dumbfck dunce actually think you are… you are a dumbfck nobody you emotional piece of caped carnival carnality drek … get it through that dumb fck head that your input or your desire to be of some self infatuated value or importance carries absolutely no weight of ANY relevance around here.. scientifically or emotionally measured…
29 Oct 2011, 22:52 pm
and if you got to get examined by ET, then its time to assume the crash position, tuck your head between your legs and kiss your assvalve goodbye, cos the only think he should be doing is swimming lengths.
29 Oct 2011, 22:54 pm
@cab(cab)-340: howzit Cab. I might have been weened on the big T but since figured others have a greater need. Kiwi was a great experience indeed. Wellington pre/during/post Wales Irish q/f was the highlight. It was a vibe difficult to describe. The Kiwi stocks of their famed sauvignon B might recover sometime in 2014. Was a hellava party in that town. Generally the Kiwis did themselves proud. Us green-shirts were made most welcome.
29 Oct 2011, 22:54 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-357:
speaking to ET, forgot the arrow button.
29 Oct 2011, 22:56 pm
@cab(cab)-355: aha so we agree.. back to the future and back to nature.. back to where all the good things grow where the rain dance man knows which way the wind doth blow or the rivers flow .. now you are starting to talk real science of the Nth degree… where the modern quantum physicist still ain’t even a hairs breadth of wisdom closer to where the real knowers know…
29 Oct 2011, 22:57 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-361:
sounds like a helluva trip – just one question tho, what the hell were u doing at the irish/welsh game?
29 Oct 2011, 22:57 pm
Ok I am outa here! cheers all
29 Oct 2011, 22:58 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-363:
you’re an idiot too, you dont know science from zip, stick to couch rugby expert and amateur psychiatry i reckon.
29 Oct 2011, 22:59 pm
so, in a nutshell ET, you’re screwed. No chance whatsoever boeta. It’s slash wrists time and be done.
29 Oct 2011, 22:59 pm
in other words Emo rules as it always has.. else rugby would be a sterile little pastime they pass between electrodes in a cathode ray machine and life would simply disintegrate down the test tubes of the contorted connubial conundrum..
29 Oct 2011, 23:01 pm
@cab(cab)-355:
You being dishonest again?
Did I write about applying physics or did I ask if physics was not involved or broader science even?
In fact, the kicker does apply his personal judgement based on the physics of distance and other factors such as wind blowing and how strong or weak it is.
Instruments of physics(Hawk Eye) are now applied in adjudging whether a ball thrown on to the ground(bowled) with a specific force would have hit the stumps or not when the batsmen’s leg prevents its forward movement(LBW).
Every day that passes more and more sciece and mostly physics comes into question and use.
I see you stay away from the psychological questions. Dishonesty?
Anyway where ignorance is bliss ’tis folly to be WISE.
Ever heard of Noaksies Sports Science degrees that many fully qualified M.B.Ch.B. persons enrol for?
29 Oct 2011, 23:03 pm
@cab(cab)-362:
You must be chuffed bud. As a keo blogger you have edured years of endless ribbing and abuse…but tonight belongs to the mighty Lions..the Currie Cup champs of 2011!!!!!!!!!
29 Oct 2011, 23:03 pm
@cab(cab)-366: aah the fckng arsehole schmuck face moegoe high priest has spoken.. you are a dumbfck dunce who knows sweet fanny fuckall.. yet you still haven’t realized it yet idiot moron supreme…
You think I wanna know anything about your psuedo new age religion called science.. get fucked and take your garbage pseudo high priest of fuckdup religion with you moronic dunce…
29 Oct 2011, 23:06 pm
science got nothing to do with it, we all played it and watch it each week and none of us use science. science is good for understanding aspects of the world, its got limited effect in a sport and almost none in art – sport has art too, even your favoured one, billy bremner, but far better were georgie best, stanley matthews, marachuchu and the greatest ever pele.
29 Oct 2011, 23:06 pm
these pathetic scientists.. that think they can apply science models to life dunno wtf life actually comprises of.. they actually think their intellects have grown to a state beyond their cortical expansion and that they can outwit their own existence.. when the one that got sweet fanny fuckall education knows a whole damn site more about life than these dumbfck pseudo know-it-all arsehole ivory tower high priest moronic dunces put together.. by light years in comparison…
29 Oct 2011, 23:09 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-358:
Whenever you use the words “I … feel” you are expressing an emotion. It is not a FACT.
I sincerely felt that the Miami ‘Canes would beat Virginia on Thursday night. The same night whilst watching game 6 I felt Texas, who led 7-5 going into the 9th would, win thhe Championship. I was wrong in both cases as the facts are that Virginia won and the Cardinals miraculously came back from 9-5 going into the botoom of the 9th t ,in FACT, win 9-10 to force game 7.
29 Oct 2011, 23:10 pm
@grant10(grant10)-309:
John Mitchell (Lions – Currie Cup and Super Rugby)
“I will not apply.” Yes, that was the short, and to the point, answer when we spoke to the Lions mentor. When asked for a reason, he simply said: “I’m not prepared to share that.”
29 Oct 2011, 23:10 pm
anyone that attempts to take ET on this “scientific” ruse will be the biggest fool, graham henry lost a quarter-final in 2007 & there was NOTHING “scientific” about it, he could’ve been canned but the NZRU made a PROGRESSIVE decision, departing from past experience, and retained him, wayne smith & hansen.
ET just talk rugby & quit trying to play off ur qualifications then maybe people will take you seriously.
graham henry is a former headmaster he knows fokkol about science but he would school you 10 – 0 wrt rugby!
#jusayin
29 Oct 2011, 23:11 pm
A POOPal 373:
Why do you not just tell your cabbie you are a/his god so that all will know how seriously to take you or NOT?
29 Oct 2011, 23:11 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-370:
they looking like an excellent team at the moment, but S15 will be real test.
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-371:
shut it u cretinous rubbish.
29 Oct 2011, 23:13 pm
just chuck science right out the window when it comes to anything regarding sport or living because all science is about is dumbfck ignorant imbeciles trying to measure and determine what exists anyway.. who the hell these dumbfck imbeciles think they are fooling is only themselves.. because all they ever going to discover is what actually EXISTS… and no matter how many modules and models of empirical evaluation and learning goes into it.. they going all the way back to base one when they uncover their own imbecilic lack of understanding and fucked up over zealous learning…
29 Oct 2011, 23:15 pm
LIOOOOOOOONNNNNSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now I need a great Bok coach for Christmas.
And Leeds to be promoted in the New Year.
29 Oct 2011, 23:16 pm
How did one poopal get to talk more krap that Guther last night?
29 Oct 2011, 23:16 pm
@cab(cab)-378: you get fucked you fucked up piece of over aggrandized piece of trash garbage.. how about you get your fucked up ignoramus medicine straight up you dumbfuck self righteous highfalutin dunce… I give it to you right where you need it up that self righteous know it all fucked up high priest snout of yours ” straight to your dumbfuck face you pitiful punkass dunce…
29 Oct 2011, 23:18 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-375: Well there is a gap, and that gap is this.
Please Mr Mitchell, would you consider discussing the Springbok coaching job with us? Why yes I might casually, but only on a casual informal basis at this stage. I am still building a team here in Jozi. But no one ever lerns anything by not talking, so why not?
And there you go.
Doesn’t appear to be anyone applying anyway.
29 Oct 2011, 23:18 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-381: how did it feel watching you guppys get moered while sitting in a “bunker”?
29 Oct 2011, 23:19 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-382: seriously? Pathetic.
29 Oct 2011, 23:20 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-382:
il; drop kick your decrepid runtframe reg deur die pale. reckon i’ll mash u up in about 20 seconds.
29 Oct 2011, 23:21 pm
@cab(cab)-364: Cabbie, you would have watched the Irish/Welsh game too if you had been privileged, like us, to watch it from the vantage of a pub four times the size of Forries, packed to the rafters with rugby nuts and the most delightful Irish/Welsh nymphettes all focused on the one sport we love most. Many of us gave up tickets to watch the game at the Cake Tin to stay in the pub and soak up the atmosphere amongst other things. Kiwis make **** Cab but I can recommend their Pinot. The street party after the Frogs donnered the Poms was something else.
29 Oct 2011, 23:22 pm
@cab(cab)-386: ag that’s also so childish Cab. Come on. Stop it. Why are you bothering to swim in the dirty water. You’re old enough to know better.
29 Oct 2011, 23:23 pm
Maak die Leeus almal Bokke
29 Oct 2011, 23:23 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-376:
There is science in all of life. I even helped you yesterday to better understand some of the science of your milk in sports, e.g. my swimming and your conditioning to perform better(for which you need more specific proteins).
The NZRU made a scientific decision about G.Henry’s worthy experience obviously guided by their scienctific advisors(like that woman doctor they employ) and SUCCESSFULLY retained him. They are the WORLD CHAMPS in rugby and I scientifically called it. Can you beat my 7 for 7 in the RWC KOs?
NO!
G.Henry like any decent national coach has many science advisors too in his team.You surely know this?
The Aussies, in rugby, are the best when it comes to engaging science in sports.
I say now already watch the Wallabies in 2015 but I truly hope France gets it for their first time.
29 Oct 2011, 23:23 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-384:
You’re losing reputation as a blogger the more you open your pie hole.
Take a look at my previous comments.
You’re going to end up like ET, Gunther, RL, Dawn and Skop before you know it…fokkol rep.
29 Oct 2011, 23:23 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-387: Oom Tass it appears taht you had the good fortune to go to New Zealand?
29 Oct 2011, 23:24 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-387:
sounds like good fun, a great trip, night tassies.
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-388:
lol, thought you’d get it, catch u thru the window Joe, helluva win today, long time.
29 Oct 2011, 23:24 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-385: says who … you??? You the latest authority on modes of behavior these days .. or where exactly you get your scientific elevated education..?? huh Soda schmo?
29 Oct 2011, 23:25 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-388:
Now I am asured that tomorrow we will win.
Thank you.
Have you ever had two successive brilliant wins on two consecutive days?
29 Oct 2011, 23:25 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-389: No disgrace in that. But the coach will do me for now. Lot of good rugby players on that field.
9. Frankie Goes To Hollywood.
10. Potbelly Jantjes
11. Mvovo
12. Francois Steyn
13. Chopsticks Fourie
14. JPP
15. Lambie
29 Oct 2011, 23:26 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-383: howzit Soda. You sound well. What happened? Oh, forgot, your Lions came through. Magnificently. Congratulations. Long wait.
29 Oct 2011, 23:26 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-383: i wouldn’t advise mitchell to take the bok job because SARU does NOT have the structure to enable a progressive coach to succeed.
mitch, for example, will identify sadie as a future 12 & will want him to get regular game time there but if that call is in contrast with what heyneke & the bulls that pay sadie 1,4 MILLION a year then he is fecked as he has no way to move sadie to another franchise like henry/smith moved dagg from the highlanders to the crusaders to fantastic results.
29 Oct 2011, 23:26 pm
@cab(cab)-386: come try you little runtcunt.. come show you big bravado high priest scientific superior intellectual m0ronic idiocy where it counts you little piece of two bitty fckface dunce..!!
29 Oct 2011, 23:27 pm
@ET.(ET.)-395: Unfortunately not. But Mighty Whites have a tough 3 weeks to navigate, and if they do, I think we are well set.
For the next 3 weeks.
29 Oct 2011, 23:27 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-396:
The Sharks need a new backline coach…………………Sean Everitt.
29 Oct 2011, 23:29 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-392: wasn’t a bad show at all bud. Don’t think that will be repeated in a hurry.
29 Oct 2011, 23:30 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-398: My friend I can’t argue with that. No one can.
Sadie. Juan De Jongh. Good centers.
We can win the 3N and RWC with the players we have.
The peopols and hangers on and admin dronkies will screw it up no doubt, they just did, and truth be known always have.
29 Oct 2011, 23:30 pm
@TASSIES(TASSIES)-402: I am envious. Would love to visit. Well done, good on you.
29 Oct 2011, 23:31 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-376:
BTW referees not calling the rules correctly is an emotional thing and not ever catered for by science.
Science works when the rules are correctly applied.
All of science is about rules but science is honest enough to say there are always some exceptions to the rules.
We need to know as many of those exceptions as we can.
29 Oct 2011, 23:31 pm
@cab(cab)-393: pisswilly two face high priest bravado arsed coward …
29 Oct 2011, 23:31 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-401: Some players under 45 would also help.
29 Oct 2011, 23:33 pm
Well done Lions. Magnificent turnaround in playing fortunes. It just shows that success is more a function of good coaching and teamwork than anything else. I hope the Lions upgrade the backroom so that the administrators can support this kind of progress. Hopefully you can continue this rise into the S15 next year. The more Saffa teams firing the better for us all. Bad luck Sharks. If you can sort out your midfield you will also be a serious S15 contender next year.
29 Oct 2011, 23:33 pm
@ET.(ET.)-405: Human Behaviour is not a predictive science.
No matter how we try and understand that, we never will.
The beauty of human beings.
Lovely stuff.
29 Oct 2011, 23:33 pm
Maak Mitchell die Bokke afrigter!
29 Oct 2011, 23:33 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-407:
I think and sincerely hope we have a younger team next year boet.
29 Oct 2011, 23:34 pm
Totsiens almal (except vervet).
29 Oct 2011, 23:34 pm
okay, outta here. Enjoy the feeling all those Leeutjies, Soda etc out there. That was one mighty fine win and a great season. Cheers all.
29 Oct 2011, 23:35 pm
I will say this – Willem Alberts is an absolute monster. A true gigantic man. The guys arms are bigger than my legs.
8. Alberts
7. Schalk
6. Brussow
Flo on the bench. Or Minnie. Or Bearded Wonder. No Spies or Sideways Kankowski.
29 Oct 2011, 23:36 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-391: hahaha like you HAVE any “rep” yourself? nobody on this forum refers to any body of rugby knowledge you have shared because there is NONE.
you contribute zilch but thinly veiled racist drivel
enjoy kabul.
29 Oct 2011, 23:37 pm
Ok I am outta here too. See you through the window.
LIOONNNSSS!!!!!!!!!
29 Oct 2011, 23:39 pm
FFS please mopderators can we have this shampoo tosser banned- he makes bogs hard to read with his unreadable, unreasonable, drivel. He has been building up in intensity over the last few years to teh extent that we are allaccustomed to hisranting – the same ranting and swearing that would get him banned first post anywhere else. Keep in mind that younger kids also read these posts, and I am not sure your sponsors want to be associated with this level of online chunder.
Aside: Well done Lions – its about time you got organised. Does everybody see what can happen when you DO change things from teh top. The Lions ex-management should be ashamed of themselves for letting the Lions slip to where they were.
Also, I am glad that a Kiwi coach is showing the Saffa coaches that forwards domination is NOT the be all and end all. Too many Saffa coaches pay attention to the forwards, and expect the backs to just ‘run through the holes’ afterwards.
John Mitchell has shown that forwards superiority is where it starts – but in order to win, you need to play TOTAL rugby. With the backline keeping the opposition spaced out and guessing as much as possible, to allow the forwards to make better inroads. Each set of competencies feed off and assist each other. Its a case of: which came first – Chicken or egg?
29 Oct 2011, 23:39 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-415:
That you pick me out repeatedly even when there is much rugby banter to speak of goes against your last comment.
I hope you get over me in time brother. it’s time, maybe.
29 Oct 2011, 23:40 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-415: some schmucks actually think they got brain cells exuding between their ears.. and then when they look again they find it was an illusion… like that twatass cab who talks all big f’ng bravado till the cookie crumbles and he skedaddles out the back door fast as his two bitty little pseudo high priest legs can carry him…
29 Oct 2011, 23:41 pm
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-400:
Half those 3 weeks are gone already as they are less than 2 weeks from another international break.
I take it only one game at a time and if we win tomorrow by 2 clear goals then the Mighty Whites are 3rd.
29 Oct 2011, 23:41 pm
@SjamBok(SjamBok)-417:
Farting against the wind. They care fokkol.
29 Oct 2011, 23:42 pm
@ET.(ET.)-390: well i thanked you for your “milk” explanation but it was nothing i’d never heard from a nutritionist.
where was the “science” in the all blacks losing to france in 2007 with a clear forward pass by the french?
just answer the above question comprehensively BEFORE we move on further.
29 Oct 2011, 23:43 pm
@SjamBok(SjamBok)-417: ban away you morality impersonator ” do you high moral service to society and get the deed done.. like its ANY momentous skin off of this well worn nose…
arseholes wanna know where to draw or cut the line then let it be CUT schmuck.. any which way your high moral status decrees it so… twatass..
29 Oct 2011, 23:45 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-423:
Denny Crane.
29 Oct 2011, 23:48 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-424: you just one massive fckng imbecile man and the pity of it is you ain’t got a foggy faint clue about it whatsoever…
29 Oct 2011, 23:50 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-425:
A foggy clue about it??????
29 Oct 2011, 23:53 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-422:
Then why did you ask the question then of ” why milk”?
Be gracious now and do not be dishonest?
You did not understand some of the wonders of milk and you understand less the greater wonders of blood and those wonderful molecules, called proteins, in that blood and elsewhere.
Do you know that proteins make up 8% of blood and one important function there is that of conjugation which was focussed on yesterday?
29 Oct 2011, 23:58 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-426: yip not a faint foggy clue about anything .. actually .. how does it feel to be such a hopeless dunce..
29 Oct 2011, 23:58 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-422:
Their individual science of the brain was all wrong. In short, the mental attitude of the players was questionable as is often the case with those teams labelled favourites.
And they paid the price for when the misguided call was made they became too pressured to act correctly and with wisdom.As you know a simply drop could have saved them much pain. But if you just expect things to happen often they do not.
30 Oct 2011, 00:01 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-418: i asked u how it felt watching your much vaunted team get klapped from the ‘comfort’ of a bunker, you haven’t answered that little grappie. i guess its too much to expect rugby banter from you as you’re never here to talk rugby, if anyone has access to all your contributions on this forum u should know it’s me but hey to each their own
30 Oct 2011, 00:09 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-430:
Like I already said, go look at my comments tonight. Not rocket science.
30 Oct 2011, 00:10 am
@ET.(ET.)-427: gunther was talking about a woman’s private parts being in contact with chili and suggested milk as relief…i was just mildly interested in his retort not in any science about nutrition for physically active individuals.
there’s no need to turn every mundane comment to a thesis about science. if you asked michael jordan today the “science” to most of his intricate lay-up moves he wouldn’t have an answer bcoz sport is very much open to human ingenuity that is not science.
30 Oct 2011, 00:11 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-428:
Looking for a fight with someone you have no fight with….doesn’t that make you feel impotent.
Kinda puts your your whole reason for being on this blog in perspective.
30 Oct 2011, 00:14 am
@ET.(ET.)-429: thats not science its psychology.. which you gonna argue is a science.. and then it might boil down to nutrition.. which again you gonna argue is a science.. or else its to do with conditioning.. which is science yet again.. so when you boil everything down.. EVERYTHING boils down to science.. or else if you wanna give it another term it can be called life…
‘science’ is just another label some fools give to a normal mechanisms of life.. which the ancients knew far better than the modern idiots who think they are discovering something new when it existed all along… so bottom line there is NO such thing called science.. unless you pseudo intellectuals wanna bullshit yourself that you are more endowed with the ability to recognize the mechanisms of life than those who are not in the least bothered with giving such simple states of existence or activity in matter any dumbfck labels..
30 Oct 2011, 00:18 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-433: nope I got no fight with you.. except you somehow think you too have some greater capacity for acknowledging states of morality or intellect than you are actually capable of.. you wanna learn something about life then remain humble.. less you wanna try bullshit yourself like that moronic imbecile arsehole high priest of his dumbfck new age scientific religion cab and pretend you know more than you actually do..
30 Oct 2011, 00:48 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-432:
You are talking absolute nonsense again strictly from a position of ignorance. And then you deviously digress and distort to distract, confuse the imbeciles and to diminish that which is beneficial.
My pearls of wisdom are clearly wasted on you. It is your loss.
There is science all around us whether we understannd it or accept it. Our every action is based on the science of the brain which is where decisions are made, and more.
To come down to you level of MJ, every basket he attempts he has to judge the distance to the basket and those around him wrt time he has to make the shot and with what force to impart to the ball where distance comes into the equation. The more times he does this the easier it is because the neural tracks have been laid and employed so many times. That does not even yet take fully into consideration the memory tracts of the brain.
But let me make it even simpler than that. How many times have you not seen MJ sit on the bench with icepacks on his aging knee-joints especially after his comebacks? Do you have any perception how complex that simple process is?
What is that cold doing if not attempting to counter the increased heat and blood flow of overuse of the knee joint where damage is daily being made in a MJ? Wherever damage is being done in the body the repair process is set in motion. And signs of that damage is increased heat(thus ice),increased fluid and thus swelling, increased redness due to increased blood supply to the damaged area and pain. Often this reaches a stage where it is referred to as the inflammatory response.
Have you not ever experienced the redness, swelling, heat, pain and more of a damaged ankle?
‘ Lyk vir my jy lewe aspris .’
30 Oct 2011, 00:50 am
434:
What a stupid fool we have.
And that is not a science?
You make more sense if you just shut up.
30 Oct 2011, 01:06 am
Vervet
30 Oct 2011, 01:10 am
@ET.(ET.)-437: you too get fcked you stupid moronic imbecile.. you a pitiful piece of over aggrandized moronic garbage that knows absolutely sweet fanny f’all.. and that is FACT..!! trying to school people on the vagaries of science when you know absolutely f’all about it whatsoever.. imbecilic Moron.!!
Pearls of fcking wisdom.. where the fck you stupendous imbecilic moron actually get OFF on yourself.. you are THE most dumbfck idiotic nincompoop idiot that ever crawled from out between their mothers thighs … and then some.. the MOST pathetic specimen of idiotic imbecile spewing godforsaken garbage information to EVER crawl around in cyberspace looking to drop his ‘pearls’ of f’ng arsehole nuthouse wisdom
30 Oct 2011, 02:56 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-439: Have you ever asked yourself whats wrong with me? Spending hours on a lame little rugby blog frothing at the mouth to people you dont know and probably will never meet arguing about a points that in reality mean nothing to your existence? Have you considered the vast amount of hours and anger you pour into this? With friendly banter youre still socialising but when youre ranting you may as well be raging at some random wall. How many times have you penned the words fcked, stupid, moronic, lard ***, ivory tower, imbecilic, nincompoop, white lily livered, traitor, pseudo intellectuals, fckadilly, schmuck, etc etc etc.
I ask you yet again – whats wrong with you? Wat is fout met jou? What are you doing here hour after hour day after day spewing forth your bile and poison like a little black spider hunking down in his corner waiting for some hapless insect to wander by and strike it down with your venom. Kyk bietjie om jou. Life is beautiful.
30 Oct 2011, 03:09 am
Fokoff all the posters writing k a k instead of writing about rugby.
Well done Lions. My favourite team is the Sharks usually, but I hate how they continue using ****** centres and their backup scrumhalves.
So I have been enjoying watching the Lions a lot more and actually wanted them to win instead of the Sharks. Really great play by the Lions players. Special mention for Minnie, Jantjies, Killian, van der Merwe and Taute.
it just goes to show what proper coaching can do to a team and I guarantee that the Boks would have won the world cup with ease if they were coached the same way, with discipline and fitness at the core of their beliefs, like it is with the Lions and playing real rugby instead of no hope tactics like kicking the ball away and just trying to bash the ball up.
30 Oct 2011, 05:33 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-399: “runtcunt”? Lol – Classic! That’s one for the books.
30 Oct 2011, 06:11 am
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-442: Don’t encourage him. If he himself isn’t under age, there are probably women and children using this site.
30 Oct 2011, 07:17 am
Congratulations Lions, a well deserved victory.
Enjoy all Lions supporters, it is a long time coming.
30 Oct 2011, 07:29 am
sigh* and so ther maturity levels hit ground zero as usual
30 Oct 2011, 07:39 am
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts(sharks_lover)-445: Hard luck on yout team mate. Beaten by a better team on the day,
Entertaining to watch, and from my perspective a classic final. Great advert for the sport.
Have a good one.
30 Oct 2011, 09:00 am
well done lions!
i was at a wedding so i couldnt watch the game but so endeth my rugby season.
have a wonderful break all and i truly hope the the lions fans had a HUGE party last night!
rangerman out.
30 Oct 2011, 09:29 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-439:
You are probably going to be devasated but if you must hear the truth, you do not carry any weight on this blog you goofball.
S’true.
We all ignore your rants and scroll past. You’re wasting your time typing this gobblygook of obscenities……waaaaaasting your time.
30 Oct 2011, 09:30 am
30 Oct 2011, 09:30 am
Roarrrrrrrrr!
30 Oct 2011, 09:33 am
What a night … what a party … what a team … what a coaching setup second to none!
Well played my boys … moer hulle … yes you did
30 Oct 2011, 09:36 am
@RL(RL)-451: congrats……what a brilliant, stunning performance….sharks were grounded into fish paste…..Pat Cilliers, Jantjes, Taute, Hollenbach…..nee wat die helle 22 ……daai visse mooi gemoer!
30 Oct 2011, 09:38 am
@grant10(grant10)-452: thanks G10, good to see youngsters come through and win something.
30 Oct 2011, 09:50 am
@RL(RL)-451: Congrats to you fellow, long time coming!
The Sharks better get heir heads around this loss, Bashford was talking this week about becoming a team of legends, that is his problem, all hot air and no substance. Time to go back to teaching me thinks.
Well done again mate
30 Oct 2011, 10:08 am
This song is for all the Lions everywhere … my brothers it was a long time coming 12 years and 10 years of pain! But finally we have a team that we can be proud of
And to all those who wished the Lions well and supported them against our fiercest rivals … a big thank you.
So here goes … my victory song.
Wild Lions
performed by RL
Childhood living it’s easy to do
The things that you wanted well I bought them for you
Graceful Lion, you know who I am
You know I can’t let you just slide through my hands
Wild Lions couldn’t drag me away
Wild Lions couldn’t drag me away
I watched you suffer for a decade and more a dull aching pain
Now you’ve decided to show me the game
No sweeping exits or offside lines
Could make me feel bitter or treat you unkind
Wild Lions couldn’t drag me away
Wild Lions couldn’t drag me away
I know I dreamt you a win and a title to have
And I have my red jerseyand you the the Currie Cup this time
Fate has been suffered and tears must be cried
So let’s do some winning before we die
Wild Lions, couldn’t drag me away
But wild Lions, couldn’t drag me away…away
/\___/\
/// . . \\\
\\\ ^ ///
ROAR …®
30 Oct 2011, 10:10 am
puma…still punting old man plod over Bissy? S hit for brains my man…..anyone of Maku….strauss…chilliboy better than the fat one…..catch a wakey…fool
30 Oct 2011, 10:13 am
mitchell….the absolute undisputed king of Coaches in SA
the farken king I tell you
SARU….dont settle for a pauper….convince the oke man!
30 Oct 2011, 10:13 am
@RL(RL)-451: well done RL your boys moered those guppys stukkend!
mooi man!
30 Oct 2011, 10:15 am
Roar!
30 Oct 2011, 10:16 am
Must say I really enjoyed this Lions victory, absolute champions playing a seriously attractive brand of Rugby. Retain possession better than any South African team. Add Murray at 13 and Mapoe instead of van Rensburg and you’ve got a potent backline with the best flyhalf in South Africa by miles…
Strausss also putting his hand up for a Bok position. Hard as nails type player with some good hands, could be our Kieran Read.
30 Oct 2011, 10:19 am
I see someone’s trousers are tight, even after 11 years with no cup.
30 Oct 2011, 10:24 am
Jantjes so much better than the skop en jag artist M Steyn.
We need an innovative, forward thinking coach.
AC and Rassie will be back to the conservative brand of boring bull s hit…..
those lions were brave, innovative and prepared to take the right risks…..and how damn good were they at the breakdowns….Minnie was an absolute animal!
SA Rugby has a massive ,Rubicon type decision to make over next few weeks….I pray from the bottom of my heart they embrace fundamental change….and they stick with it longer than a few months like the coward PDV did!
Mitchell shows that the youngsters will listen…..so choose the youngsters then! If the old heads wont listen, drop them! Simple.
Time to be brave SARU…..
Appoint Mitchell…..and allow him carte blanche……he will deliver and 2015 will be a pleasure…..not like this nightmare of 2011 where cowards and fat boys ruled the roost….to the detriment of all of us saffa fans…
30 Oct 2011, 10:41 am
@grant10(grant10)-462: You forget SA rugby is still run by the same old as before. Small Unions have the voting sway, small Unions are backed by money from government agendas etc.
Can you see them doing the right thing?
As for Hoskins, please, and his CEO… ask about the money back where he came from.
30 Oct 2011, 10:56 am
@grant10(grant10)-456:
Hey buttmuncher, leave the gentleman of the blog alone with your crappy comments. If you wanna trash talk, I’ll be your Huckleberry.
30 Oct 2011, 11:00 am
@RL(RL)-450:
Brilliant team and outstanding victory. Do us proud in the Super 15.
30 Oct 2011, 11:03 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-464: @Great White Shark(Predawn)-465: Courtesy of Tuna from the other thread…
470.mshiniwami:
24 Oct 2011, 09:31 am @stormersboy(stormersboy)-464:
EXACTLY
Plus the guy is a FCKIN nutcase(Mitchell). You thought Div was a PR disaster? Ask NZ about Mitchell…Ask the Force about “Draconian” Mitch.
And no he wont win the CC on the weekend. Sharks will belt his tight-five upfront and its “All over ROVER”…Period. 474.Great White Shark:
24 Oct 2011, 09:58 am @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-470:
If the Lions are fortunate enough The Sharks might not go for a cricket score again…just to be nice. 141.Great White Shark:
25 Oct 2011, 20:29 pm
Nee wat. After the cricket score whitewash two weekends ago The Sharks would be forgiven for trying to find the motivation to play this final. 138.Great White Shark:
25 Oct 2011, 14:49 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-57:
The Great Whites will be playing in the most one-sided Currie Cup final since pa fell off the tractor. 18.Great White Shark:
26 Oct 2011, 09:37 am
Sharks will take this one at a canter. 39.Great White Shark:
26 Oct 2011, 10:07 am
The Sharks are the All Blacks of the Currie Cup. Everyone wants to see them get knocked over.
We all know it won’t happen. 41.Great White Shark:
26 Oct 2011, 10:13 am
40+ points to a few penalties…..the embarrassment two weeks ago will be as clear as daylight etched into the memories of the kittens.
You must be feeling just a little bit silly?
30 Oct 2011, 11:11 am
30 Oct 2011, 11:13 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-467:
Who you smiling at gapteeth?
30 Oct 2011, 11:15 am
I guess it’s Mitchell/Spencer vs Mallet/?
30 Oct 2011, 11:18 am
@Bagel(Bagel)-466:
Bagel if I was feeling silly I’d not be on this blog. You take life faaar too seriously for a make believe life on a make believe blog.
I clearly don’t. Trash talk is what it’s all about……..isn’t it.
Your makker Dawn has made keo her life, hence her taking everything everyone types as gospel…….she’s lonely and sad.
Don’t fall into the same trap and forget what is your real life and what is your pretend life.
I congratulated the Lions already. Excellent result.
30 Oct 2011, 11:19 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-468: You feeling a bit silly.
30 Oct 2011, 11:21 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-470: @Bagel(Bagel)-471:
30 Oct 2011, 11:22 am
Hope the Lions can show the Aussies and Kiwis a thing or two in the Super 15.
I think the South African teams will not be propping up the bottom of the log for much longer.
30 Oct 2011, 11:23 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-470: This blog is very real? Make believe?
I think you’ll find you’ve racked up 100 times the amount of comments I’ve made on this blog and I’ve being visiting it for 6 years now so I assure you this isn’t my life.
Personally though… I think you should be feeling a little bit silly.
30 Oct 2011, 11:30 am
@Bagel(Bagel)-474:
I get a lot of time in my foxhole between holidays to talk kaaak with some of the most uptite bloggers I’ve ever not met…….and certainly will never want to meet…not like some losers on this blog that still meet one another for drinks to fill the empty void in their even emptier lives.
Too easy…..makes my pretend life that much more entertaining while picking my nose.
30 Oct 2011, 11:31 am
@Bagel(Bagel)-474: easy bagel, the guy has made his name gat all on his own, no need to rub his nose in it
plus he must be hurting, his guppys got torn new cloacas
30 Oct 2011, 11:32 am
People generally take themselves far too seriously on this blog.
It’s funny when they do.
30 Oct 2011, 11:34 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-476: Mallet or Mitchell?
30 Oct 2011, 11:34 am
I did’t realise strauss was so tall. Supersport has him at 2m and 114 kilos. He could be an awesome sub for the bokke, covering 7, 8 and lock. A bit like danie rossouw but more skilful.
30 Oct 2011, 11:35 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-476: There is a silver lining in defeat:
1. If the Lions can whip us so badly in the CC then we KNOW we are in trouble for the Super 15 (where the Lions are better known as the “Lowly Lions” and such other basement dwelling names).
3. We have needed new players all year, and this has been reinforced in the best way possible.
4. Ditto coach.
Big clean out needed at Sharks and this loss delivered the message perfectly!
Hallelujah!
30 Oct 2011, 11:35 am
@grant10(grant10)-456: Jeez you have become an unpleasant person, saying……. “..catch a wakey…fool”…….to Puma. You have started insulting any one that does not agree with you, you would make a fine dictator.
ONCE AGAIN BRILLIANT STUFF LIONS, A WELL DESERVED VICTORY
30 Oct 2011, 11:37 am
Had the Sharks won yesterday they may even have been tempted to ask Oupa Stefan for anudder S15!
30 Oct 2011, 11:37 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-476: Cloacas! Impressed sir, wanted to ask who do you support outside of EP?
30 Oct 2011, 11:37 am
The part about meeting other bloggers on this site outside of keoland was of course directed at Transformer and Dawn and that skop fellah and a few others…….very very sad……;-)
….and disturbing….;-)
30 Oct 2011, 11:37 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-475:
Another Interesting fact from cane.
NZ won it’s WC in 87.
And the second 8-7.
8)
30 Oct 2011, 11:37 am
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-481: lol, perfect description… “dictator”.
Gwantie is very intolerant of other peoples’ opinions…
30 Oct 2011, 11:38 am
@Bagel(Bagel)-483: Crusaders.
30 Oct 2011, 11:38 am
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-481:
grant is a ****-eater of the highest order.
30 Oct 2011, 11:40 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-480:
Well lets hope they don’t flatter to deceive in the Super 15…………………agggaaaiiiin….*sigh*
30 Oct 2011, 11:42 am
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-478:wayne smith
30 Oct 2011, 11:42 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-489: If Plumtree remains coach and we keep Joubert, Bosman, Jacobs and Terblanche as our midfield maestros and play without a true fetcher, you can expect mediocre mid table.
30 Oct 2011, 11:47 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-490: Looks like Spencer is in the same mould.
30 Oct 2011, 11:47 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-480: aaahhh, who buys players at the sharks, staaldraad or plum?
30 Oct 2011, 11:50 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-491:
I’m hoping that there are a few juniors coming through the ranks to bolster our midfield.
Ndungane, Jacobs, Terblanche and a few here and there need to look overseas now. If the great man John Smit can move on then so can they.
30 Oct 2011, 11:51 am
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-485:
Cane my Wellington Lion brother ….. we did it.
Thanks to Mitch and Carlos and AC Kerman …. left those guppies gutted leaving their insides on the dirt for the flies to feast on.
30 Oct 2011, 11:51 am
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-481: great coaches are dictators……mouringo….ferguson….mallet….mitchell….
wakey sweetpea….this anit tiddlywinks or politics….this aint a farken democracy….this is winner takes all pro sport….this is dog eat dog war ….where losers are losers and winners are the kings….
no place for mr nice guys pdv and plods…..this is a soort for winners,,,,,
wakey wakey….go hace a cup of neccafe and relect on who actually talks the truth and knows a thing or 2 about pro sport on this blog….versus the sentimental candy arsed floss okes who are lovely guys and oh so nice but actually know f all and spout rubbish about plod being better than bissy!
sorry….my tolerance levels for fools and morons is rather low post our wc 2011 disaSTER….SO SCROLL BY…I FEEL I MAY BE TOO TRUTHFUL AND HONEST FOR YOU!
Fark…sorry caps
30 Oct 2011, 11:52 am
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-485:
Clever.
30 Oct 2011, 11:54 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-495:
Lion King.
You did it alright.
I predicted( jokingly of course) a score of 57-3.
Not that far off was I.
They are black
they are white
they gave up
without much fight.
8)
30 Oct 2011, 11:56 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-493: I am uncomfortable with Strooli there, he showed his incompetence with the Boks… never knew why they took him back. He capped some of the worst Boks in history, and never played the same 15 2 weekends running. What makes us think he is shrewd enough to source the best talent?
But Plumtree has had 4 years. Time for a change now.
30 Oct 2011, 11:57 am
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-498: piss off troll.
You used to be a Sharks supporter once.
How you have changed like the wind.
30 Oct 2011, 12:00 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-500: woody….you boys need sort out the opensider spot…..
and seriously WTF is going on with that midfield?
Your centre problems are up there with my okes props problems!
30 Oct 2011, 12:00 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-497:
Yet another Interesting fact from cane:
8)
Question:
What Country went through both the Soccer WC and the Rugby WC undefeated?
Answer:
NZ.
30 Oct 2011, 12:01 pm
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-498:
Indeed, without much of a fight.
p.s. the real score is 42-9 minus 7 for that forward pass knock on try by sharkievarkie.
30 Oct 2011, 12:04 pm
another point…..
Where is Lambie going to fit in at Boks? I like him a lot, but in my opinion Jantjes should be backed at 10…..I would also go with Tasute at 15….he adds a whole new dimension, SA answer to Latham !
Lambie may find himself as a utility type sub…surely F Steyn will be at 12 with either J De Jongh, Sadie or J Fourie at 13….
Going to be a most interesting super 15…..we need to make sure we appoint the right HC….we do that we have a bright future I reckon…..
We dont…..watch us head downhill at a snot spoed!
30 Oct 2011, 12:05 pm
Well done RL your team provided a great showing of complete rugby, it was a great performance, which I hope sets a marker for SA rugby that a game involving running, kicking, and passing apportioned to playing what’s in front is the only way to go. The boks should either approach John Mitchell or Wayne smith. Nick mallet though a great coach, still believes in bok traditional strength rugby, he won’t develop back play.
30 Oct 2011, 12:06 pm
I wanted to come here and gloat but I don’t see the need anymore. Fcking enjoying this a lot. Thank you Lions and thank you Mitch and the boys. That was some fantastic rugby. I really hope we can pull this through to the S15. One thing is for sure the Lions will be a lot better next year and watch us in 2013 then we are going for the Cup.
30 Oct 2011, 12:07 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-500:
It happens with split personalities…
30 Oct 2011, 12:07 pm
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-498: Dear oh dear you’ve changed. How unseeming.
30 Oct 2011, 12:09 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-500:
I was supporting the Lions because they were the Underdog.
What was it, about 13 Internationals in the Sharks and about zero in the Lions.
Lions and Cheetahs also played very attractive rugby through the S15.
I still have great respect for the Sharks, great respect. However some of their supporters on here had this coming.
Plum is an excellant Defense Coach. But not sure Sharks have the ballance right.
Commiserations Spooner, I meant no disrespect.
30 Oct 2011, 12:10 pm
@HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-506: I think you deserve a gloat, your team annihilated us.
30 Oct 2011, 12:10 pm
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-509:
Aw it’s just a game. Next season we all start over.
30 Oct 2011, 12:11 pm
Odwa Ndungane
Stefan Terblanche
Marius Joubert
Conrad Hoffmann
Ryan Kankowski
Ross Skeate
Alistair Hargreaves
Ross Cronje
Adrian Jacobs
Are all either too old or not good enough
30 Oct 2011, 12:12 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-508:
I’m just getting my own back for some mistreatment dished out over the last 6 years.
I’ll be my old self again in a year or two.
8)
30 Oct 2011, 12:13 pm
@grant10(grant10)-504: That’s right, let SARU feckkk up another Shark.
30 Oct 2011, 12:13 pm
The boks should look at Lambie at fb at taute on the wing. Killian has an enormous work rate, picks different channels of attack, similar to guildford.
30 Oct 2011, 12:13 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-511:
Just a game……………………………………………….yeah right.
30 Oct 2011, 12:14 pm
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-513: Well it paints you in a very poor light. Be a Kiwi, be a true gentleman, don’t learn how to be a Blue Bull
30 Oct 2011, 12:14 pm
@grant10(grant10)-504: we have the bright young prospects.
I want to see more players like Jantjes and Taute playing fro the Boks – with attacking flair and instinct. We need a back line who can contribute (been lacking the last 8 years).
Lets not forget how good Lambie looked in the 30-10 final last year. He can attack and create too. I think Jantjes and Taute perhaps benefited from not being tainted by the PDiv brush which saw our Bok backs treated as bystanders.
It’s a good problem to have. The only thing I will say is no player should ever be a “utility player”, we have seen what effect this had on Brent Russell, Ruan Pienaar, F Steyn, etc. Lambie needs to select his position and play there. If he is good enough, he will make the team, but not as 10, 12 or 15 cover.
With the right coach and the young, hungry players we have, we can reach the stars and I just hope SARU makes the right decision. Coetzee still seems to be the favourite and I can say that 4 years of Coetzee and Schalk Burger will not deliver us to the promised land of number 1 ranking and 80% win record.
30 Oct 2011, 12:15 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-510: No need. That performance silenced some “groot bekke” for the summer. Great reward.
30 Oct 2011, 12:16 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-511:
“Aw it’s just a game. ”
Yeah, but next year we will still be World Champs.
And the biggest thing in the SARU Trophy Room will still be the fleas in the carpet.
30 Oct 2011, 12:17 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-515: Taute a brilliant attacking 15…why the hell blunt him at wing? No man…let him have options on attack…he is the most natural attacking SA 15 I have seen for bloody years
30 Oct 2011, 12:18 pm
Alberts is the only returning Bok that showed some sort of form over the last two weeks.
30 Oct 2011, 12:19 pm
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-520: And New Zealand will still be at the bottom of the world with hobbits and sheep for company. And no one cares
30 Oct 2011, 12:19 pm
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-520: Choker, with the right coach and the young players we have, you can rest assured we will be coming hard for your World Champions.
Don’t rest on your laurels too much.
Very important we choose the right coach. 65% is not good enough for the Boks.
30 Oct 2011, 12:20 pm
@grant10(grant10)-521: he just needs to pull up his socks…
30 Oct 2011, 12:22 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-518: I would not in a million years appoint AC and Schalk….will ****** our rugby….I have never really felt Schalk was comfortable with the role…..and AC bloody average imo….
Lambie a great young player….I personally rate that kid highly…..he lacks that devastating speed required of an attacking 15…Taute has the game that Boks will requre if we go more expansive….
I would love Lambie to focus on 10….
SA is well positioned to launch in 2012……but I am so terrified of SARU…They really need to do the right thing with the HC selection.
30 Oct 2011, 12:22 pm
Sharks need centres and locks, our centres are awful and our locks are softer than a bunch of very soft things kept in cotton wool and kittens mittens.
30 Oct 2011, 12:22 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-523:
New Hobbit movie out next year.
It’s not the size of the man, but the size of his heart.
30 Oct 2011, 12:23 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-525: justrugby mentioned that too!
One of his hobby horses!!
30 Oct 2011, 12:24 pm
If any of you think for one moment AC won’t get the job you are dreaming. It’s not the right decision but it will be the one made. Along with Burger as Captain.
If Lambie tries at 10 the job will go to Elton even he he never plays as well as yesterday ever again, he has the right colour.
Life in SA is not simple, never forget it.
30 Oct 2011, 12:25 pm
Grant 10: I agree, he is a wonderful fb, I’d like to see the boks have a ball playing and counteracting back three, who can link well together, the days of out and out wings without ball playing abilities are coming to an end.
30 Oct 2011, 12:25 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-527: the Sharks need more than centres and locks…
They also need:
Fetcher
Scrumhalf
and a new head coach!
30 Oct 2011, 12:25 pm
@The Chokerman – formerly cane(cane)-528: I know I went to Hobbitton last month, a bit of a rip off if you ask me. $65 to see a few hills.
30 Oct 2011, 12:27 pm
Since we all ignore his posts anyway, shouldn’t they moderators at least give us an option of “ignoring” a poster? It would make the pages much quicker to load without his basket case ranting.
30 Oct 2011, 12:27 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-533: We went to Hobbiton. Don’t remember paying NZD65 though.
Surely you mean for a whole family.
30 Oct 2011, 12:27 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-532: That we do. Deysel is never going to make a decent 4, where they thought that one up I don’t know. Why Keegan is Captain is beyond me, he is still chasing tail, far too young in the head for the job.
Hargreaves still hides behind his mother’s blouse and Skeet would rather be at Harveys than diving into a maul.
As for scrumhalf, jeepers how useless and slow is Hoffman.
30 Oct 2011, 12:29 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-530: elton deserves that 10 spot by a country mile….fark the colour my man….
sharks are farking Lambie around again…..they are the 1 s not playing him at 10…..no one else
30 Oct 2011, 12:29 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-535: http://www.tikitouring.co.nz/hobbiton-matamata.htm $66 dollars!
“The tours to the set from Matamata are $NZ66 per adult and $NZ33 for children from 10 to 14 years. Children from 5 to 9 are $5.”
Maybe I was ripped off but that is what we paid each from the little shop
30 Oct 2011, 12:30 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-532: spot on….
30 Oct 2011, 12:30 pm
@grant10(grant10)-504: Grant I like Jantjies plenty great, great player. BUT let us first see him play AGAIN in SuperRugby. He excelled in last years CC but was not up to it for the Barbarian game. Also he never had a good SuperRugby this year. Let us be fair Lambie was our best fh in our conference this SuperRugby. He was mom in last years CC final as well. He was outstanding that day too. He never let us down at the world cup either. He was actually one of our top Boks there. Always was rated on all rugby blogs as one with the highest rate from our Boks. He was very, very good at fb.
It has proven for the Sharks that sometimes introducing Boks late for CC it never works. They played a different game plan for the Boks then to slot into their franchise and play that game plan takes time again and to really gel with their players from their franchise. Similar to Province Boks.
WE need to see all these youngsters for the WHOLE of SuperRugby before we can really judge them. Not now at all. Can never just judge from the CC alone.
30 Oct 2011, 12:31 pm
@grant10(grant10)-537: Two weeks ago Elton didn’t look too flash, don’t go handing out things from one days’ performance.
Lambie at 10, Michalak at 9, Hoffman on a train home.
30 Oct 2011, 12:31 pm
@SjamBok(SjamBok)-534: who you moaning about now again?
30 Oct 2011, 12:33 pm
Grant 10: Elton is the best SA 10, there’s no doubt of that, he has the most variation of the 10′s in SA, his still ball kicking is scaringly accurate.
30 Oct 2011, 12:34 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-541: elton didnt play 2 weeks ago…..except for a cameo….
he has been magnificent all season mate…15 out of 15 kicks for semis and final…..wakey wakey mate….I fear some prejudice showing?
30 Oct 2011, 12:35 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-536:
Re centres – we were crying about this in the S15 already. No-one appears to have listened. They went and bought Joubert FFS.
Re locks – we were crying about this in the S15 already. No-one appears to have listened. They let Mostert go FFS.
Re scrumhalf – McLeod is very inconsistent and Hoffman is average.
Re fetcher – the Sharks always seem to lose the breakdown battle… we rumble up with our “big powerful ball carriers” (Alberts, Bismark, Deysel, Beast, etc) but they seem to frequently get isolated and there is nothing more frustrating than losing the forward momentum… We don’t have anyone other than Bismark who competes at the rucks… We need a Brussow, Pocock, McCaw type player desperately. Daniel and Botes are not the answer.
30 Oct 2011, 12:36 pm
@grant10(grant10)-544: I think you need to compare the 2 kids properly, Elton is good, so is Lambie.
I fear some anti Sharks prejudice coming, wakey wakey
30 Oct 2011, 12:37 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-543: Agree mate….that oke leaves M Steyn in the shade….what a brilliantyoungster….and he will get even better!
my choice as bok 10 with goosen and lambie to fight for understudy.
taute 15
F steyn 12….
JDJ 13….
that there is the future….
find a snappy passing 9….not a FDP or a Ruan Pienaar…
wings Hougaard and JPP…
bring on the world
30 Oct 2011, 12:37 pm
@grant10(grant10)-537: Agree totally. Sharks are messing with Lambie. He should be our number one fh all of the time. NOT Freddie. It does my head in really seeing a overseas player playing there ahead of Lambie. He is a superb play maker and someone we need at 10. Freddie can start at 10. We at the moment just don’t have any really good sh. Hoffman is not up to it really. Might need plenty more game time have no idea but I just don’t rate him at CC level let alone SuperRugby.
Anyhow with Viljoen coming to Sharks next year I think Lambie just may start at fh with Freddie moving to sh. Unless they mess with Lambie even more and play him at inside centre. Then really I hope Province get the cheque book out. Cause no way in hell with they mess Lambie about he would start everytime at fh. I would rather then Lambie play for another franchise and start all of the time at fh than seeing him being messed about by my Sharks. I hate it when we have such a massive talent in our team and the just play him where suits them. I will forever support my team but it irritates me to see some of our great players getting messed about.
30 Oct 2011, 12:38 pm
Well, we can all agree that M Steyn has played his last game in the green and gold.
30 Oct 2011, 12:38 pm
@Puma(Puma)-548: Meant – Freddie can start at 9
30 Oct 2011, 12:38 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-545: Apparently our U21 number 12 is the answer, after yesterday I doubt it. He left a gap wider wide thing in the U21 game.
We in trouble big time
30 Oct 2011, 12:39 pm
Boks game plan does not suit Elton, Elton is accustomed to running attacking play with the lions, the boks rely on no.9 being the chief attack decision maker. The boks play as we all know a narrow game, 10 is only allowed to utilize a small amount of his arsenal. If AC becomes coach jantjies cannot be picked at 10, AC will kill his attacking prowess.
30 Oct 2011, 12:39 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-546: Not at all mate….no prejudice from me at all…i rate lambie highly…..but Elton has stolen a march on him……and it is difficult to compare because sharks rather play froggie at 10…..
so Elton it is for me….I told Puma way back that this would happen to Lambie….you dont have to be a jet scientist
30 Oct 2011, 12:39 pm
@grant10(grant10)-547: with Elton at 10 and JdJ at 13, Hougaard can be accommodated at 11.
Good backline.
I just want to see JdJ pass more. He always crashes and goes to ground with the ball FFS.
30 Oct 2011, 12:39 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-549: Think so unless he produces some magic there next year. Just too many great fhs coming through. Elton, Goosen and Lambie are right now way better than Morne.
30 Oct 2011, 12:40 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-551: so when are the Sharks planning to blood this youngster? In the S15 next year?
30 Oct 2011, 12:41 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-554: Where does Sadie play? Thought he played 13. If so I would play Sadie at 13 with Frans Steyn at inside centre. JdJ is a good player but think Sadie is better.
Sharks should have woken up and bought him before the Bulls did. WE need centres.
30 Oct 2011, 12:41 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-552: listen mate, the Boks down own the copyright to their own “gameplan”. It is the coach’s gameplan.
The Boks can play any gameplan the coach instructs them to play.
30 Oct 2011, 12:41 pm
@grant10(grant10)-547: Replace JPP with Mvovo
30 Oct 2011, 12:42 pm
@Puma(Puma)-540: agree Puma…
But Lambie needs to play at 10….imo…Taute a far better attacking weapon at 15…best I have seen in a long time.
if Lambie to be bok 10…he must play there
send him to wp….we will play him there!@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-549: amen woody….amen!
30 Oct 2011, 12:43 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-552: agree
that is why i am praying no AC!!!!
30 Oct 2011, 12:44 pm
Odwa is tired now.
That switch pass from Michalak… you wouold expect every wing at this level to have caught that…
Odwa’s hands do at times let him down.
And yesterday, he couldn’t beat a prop on the outside!
30 Oct 2011, 12:44 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-554: mitchell will taeach him!
30 Oct 2011, 12:44 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-556: one of these: Centres: Heimar Williams, Dwayne Jenner, Piet Lindeque, Kayde Fisher, Jared Meyer think it’s Heimar…? Might be wrong
30 Oct 2011, 12:45 pm
Grant10: I’d leave jpp out, move taute to 14, Lambie at 15, maybe hougaard at 11, Elton at 10, 12. Francois Steyn and jdj at 13. Mapoe, and killian as back cover. Goosen as 10 cover, doppies la grange as 12/13 cover.
30 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm
@grant10(grant10)-553: Yes for now in the CC Jantjies is better than Lambie. BUT in SuperRugby it was Lambie that was the better fh cause Jantjies was not great there this year.
Then off went Lambie with the Boks and they played him at fb instead of fh. Still think it was foolish we should have had Lambie playing 10. Anyhow while he was on Bok Duty Jantjies was playing the whole time at fh while Lambie was at fb for the Boks. So for now we can’t judge who has gained what until we see a whole SuperRugby next year from both of them. That is if Plum plays Lambie at fh. I sure hope he does.
Look again and judge all the youngsters coming through after SuperRugby. We will have a far, far better level to judge them from there.
30 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-564: so why did we not see any of these players in the CC?
Do we expect them to hit the ground running in the S15?
Has Terblanche retired yet?
30 Oct 2011, 12:46 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-562: Sharks need to sweep clean again, the knives are being sharpened, watch out.
30 Oct 2011, 12:47 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-568: I agree with that.
Let the knives come out.
Plumtree has been there 4 years already and it looks as though he has reached his peak limit.
30 Oct 2011, 12:48 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-567: Terblanche played his last game for the Sharks yesterday, there is a benefit dinner on Monday night for him. Then he’s off to Ulster for 3 months to cash in. Wife staying at home so it’s a quick bank account adjustment.
Why haven’t we seen them? Who knows mate.
30 Oct 2011, 12:49 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-569: I think you misunderstand, the knives will be coming out for more than the coach this time, going to be interesting.
The net result could be a very very bad one for rugby.
30 Oct 2011, 12:51 pm
Woody: I agree I think the boks can play any game plan, it’s critical they have a coach who focuses on skills development, space awareness, conditioning, and continuous ball in hand play. This is what Mitchell and Wayne smith would bring. Mallet, Rassie, and AC won’t.
30 Oct 2011, 12:51 pm
@grant10(grant10)-560: Yes agree. Remember how good he was there for last years CC? Lambie got all of Sharks points. Also got a super try by handing of Burger.
Pity the Boks never played him there. Though they play a different game plan there.
Just hope Sharks do play him at fh next year and play Freddie at sh. Otherwise seriously I would rather Lambie played for Stormers. He would start everytime at fh for sure.
Would hate really hate to lose our super youngster, just don’t like seeing him messed about in favour of a overseas player.
30 Oct 2011, 12:51 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-571: care to clarify? Players, admin?
They do need a clean sweep. Too many players there who have shown they are not capable of winning the Super rugby trophy.
30 Oct 2011, 12:54 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-572: Mallet can, he has done it before. We wiped the floor with France in Paris with that approach. But I think we need someone fresh this time.
AC and Rassie, no.
I’m all for a foreign appointment.
SARU may be too narrow minded.
And of course there are those rumours that Meyer is the man…
30 Oct 2011, 12:57 pm
@grant10(grant10)-553: I wouldn’t agree that Elton has stolen a march on Pat. Pat was excellent at the World Cup. He was technically very strong and mentally flawless. Elton has heaps of talent and is kicking brilliantly, but he still needs to be tested at the top level, in terms of defence and handling of pressure.
30 Oct 2011, 12:58 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-533:
I thought the Movie Village was left intact.
But you right $65 is a very steep.
I take it you were here for The Cup.
I hope you enjoyed it Goodie.
30 Oct 2011, 12:58 pm
@grant10(grant10)-544: Lambie never missed any of his kicks for the CC final last year either Grant and he also scored a try.
He has played fh for weeks as he has been with the Boks playing fb. So really we can’t judge the two against each other just yet. Wait until after SuperRugby. That is if Lambie starts at 10 for Sharks. Like I mentioned in one of my posts above.
Be fair both Jantjies and Lambie are super talents. Only difference for now is Lambie has bmt in the bigger tournements. Jantjies was not great in this years SuperRugby. Think though after this CC his confidence will grow.
30 Oct 2011, 12:59 pm
@Puma(Puma)-557: honestly now, what do you base that assertion on? sadie better than jdj – rassie & co seem to disagree with you.
30 Oct 2011, 12:59 pm
@Puma(Puma)-578: Meant = He has not played fh for many weeks.
30 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-579: JdJ needs to learn how to pass but some will argue if he hasn’t already he never will!
30 Oct 2011, 13:00 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-579: I bet the Bulls disagree with you.
Sadie was outstanding this year. Don’t get me wrong I rate JdJ but Sadie is better. Watch him next year at the Bulls. Sharks should have woken up and bought him.
30 Oct 2011, 13:01 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-581: The Stormers scored more tries last year with JdJ at 12 than with JdV this year.
30 Oct 2011, 13:02 pm
Personally, I’d like Jantjies at flyhalf and Lambie at fullback. Lambie can interchange when required, like Andre Joubert used to do.
30 Oct 2011, 13:02 pm
One thing though, Jantjes, Lambie, Hougaard, JdJ, Taute in a backline will = a very small backline.
Seeing the Sharks play the Crusaders this year I was stunned how much bigger the Crusaders backline was compared with the Sharks when they would line up against each other. You just don’t see that on tv.
30 Oct 2011, 13:02 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-575: Mitchell is the man, but don’t want the Job. Heard Meyer don’t want it either. NONE of the top coaches want the Bok Job. Don’t think any want to work with saru.
30 Oct 2011, 13:02 pm
Taute
JPP
Fourie
JdJ
Aplon
Jantjies
Hougaard
Strauss
Alberts
Minnie
Bekker
Vd Merwe
Oosthuizen
Bismark
Steenkamp
Beast, Cilliers, Maku, Elstadt-Whitely-Rhodes, Duvenhage, Lambie, Mvovo
30 Oct 2011, 13:02 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-583: I doubt it came down to a single player.
30 Oct 2011, 13:03 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-587: No Brussouw ?
30 Oct 2011, 13:03 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-588: Backs cannot score tries if it doesn’t get past 12
30 Oct 2011, 13:04 pm
Wooden spoon 575: mallet is a great coach, brilliant forwards mentor, we’ve seen what he’s done with Italy, however, he’d need a strong attack coach. Meyer has stated that he’ll be coaching an expansive game with the bulls next hence he hired pine Pienaar, however, expansive play is not meyer’s forte, there’s need to be someone there who’s rugby voice is attacking rugby.
30 Oct 2011, 13:04 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-584: There could be a place for both the youngsters in the Bok team.
For the Sharks I would like Lambie to play only at fh. He is our best and should be selected all of the time ahead of Freddie.
30 Oct 2011, 13:04 pm
Taute is a far better attack FB than Lambie, and Jantjies or Goosen a far better attack FH.. which leaves Lambie on the bench as the insurance option Mr. Versatility.. too bad
30 Oct 2011, 13:04 pm
@Puma(Puma)-586: As far as I know, Meyer has never personally said he doesn’t want the job. Matfield was doing the talking for Meyer.
30 Oct 2011, 13:07 pm
Wooden spoon: Meyer has signed with the bulls and he’ll want to implement his new game plan personally.
30 Oct 2011, 13:10 pm
Lambie should be the next Bok 10. He has the most important qualities. The right temperament. sound technical skills and good vision.
30 Oct 2011, 13:10 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-594: Think Meyer is very involved with the Bulls right now.
Just have to wait and see. Whoever it is just hope we select right and also select the best backline and forward coach.
I would not even hesitate. Would select Mitchell. He said he does not want the job though. But he would be my first choice.
30 Oct 2011, 13:10 pm
Ashampoopaloo 593: taute is a good fb, I think Lambie better under the high ball, would be far more attacking in a backline that exuded that, yesterday he tried and sparked a few things but his team mates weren’t up to speed. Having a back three of taute, Lambie, and hougaard the boks will have counter attacking ability.
30 Oct 2011, 13:11 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-589: Brussow must prove himself all over again.. since his injury he had one good game in the S15 against Waratahs or Blues but hasn’t been the same player since… also the new laws favor different sets of skills to those when he took the game by the neck in 2009… Game has moved on and Brussow hasn’t …. see what he produces in S15 first.. Minnie was far better than Daniel yesterday also
30 Oct 2011, 13:12 pm
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-596: You forgot one thing there. Has leadership qualities too.
Cool as they come. Probably has the best bmt I have ever seen in a youngster.
30 Oct 2011, 13:15 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-598: Yes think Taute on the wing would be brilliant.
Hougaard I would play him at 9. Just leave him there for a season. Who then on the other wing?
30 Oct 2011, 13:16 pm
@Puma(Puma)-582: jdj is a BOK, he played 12 the whole season last year with aplomb, where was sadie?
when the boks returned sadie was relegated to the stands.
again i ask, what do YOU base your assertion on?
30 Oct 2011, 13:16 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-574: Admin. I have a feeling there is another attempt to take over the ship, it happens every few years. Nothing out of the ordinary in Days of Our Rugby.
All these chaps think they ‘know rugby’ or ‘know business’ when in fact you must be a business man who knows rugby.
Professional sport isn’t easy, but keep an eye out.
30 Oct 2011, 13:17 pm
Writing blues songs is so easy.
woke up this morning
we were still champs
at the end of the day
we’ll still be champs
[8 minute solo]
30 Oct 2011, 13:17 pm
Jdj can be taught to make better decisions on passing and stepping variation, Nonu had massive issues in the beginning of his career with passing and making good decisions, Wayne smith spent a lot of time with to improve those areas, now he’s the best 12 in the world. Jdj has the natural talent he needs to be coached that won’t happen with AC, however with Mitchell it would!
30 Oct 2011, 13:17 pm
@Puma(Puma)-600: I agree. I would honestly make Lambie our first choice 10 and new Bok captain. The Aussies would.
30 Oct 2011, 13:17 pm
Okay I am off.
Cheers everyone.
30 Oct 2011, 13:18 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-605: Nonu also weighs about 2 elephants more than JDJ
30 Oct 2011, 13:19 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-606: Lambie is a born leader. Shows in that magnificent bmt he has. Cool as they come. Speaks very well too.
Should be our Sharks Captain next year. I would make him captain without a thought. Would play him at fh as well.
Anyhow need to go. Have visitors here. Catch up later this week.
Cheers buddy.
30 Oct 2011, 13:19 pm
@Bagel(Bagel)-460: Mapoe and Murray are cr@p, especially Mapoe, he hardly did anything for the Lions since he joined them. Maybe scored one or two tries only during his whole time there and his defence is bad too. Deon van Rensburg was been great for the Lions and so has Alwyn Hollenbach.
30 Oct 2011, 13:20 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-599: Sound reasons of course but I think he showed he can and has adapted in the few games he played this year. I’d have him in the starting side. Good to see Minnie improve; we need a quality no 6 backup.
Doubt Mitchell will take the Bok job – he has said as much. I’d want Mallett or Meyer; they would employ the right assistants and specialists.
30 Oct 2011, 13:21 pm
Puma: I like hard working left wings who look for opportunities throughout the park, and are ball players, they can make decisions on what to do in different situations. Killian is the only wing doing that in SA right now. I don’t believe size is everything, cory Jane is not massive nor is Williams for wales and both are very influential. I like core skills and pace.
30 Oct 2011, 13:21 pm
No, no, no. Don’t move Taute away from fullback. He was made for that position. Reminds a bit of Chris Latham.
This Bok backline would be killer:
9 Hougaard
10 Jantjies
11 JPP
12 Steyn
13 Fourie
14 Mvovo
15 Taute
20 not sure (can’t believe we’re suddenly so thin here)
21 De Jongh
22 Aplon
30 Oct 2011, 13:22 pm
Gee vir ons Brendann Venter! Die mense skreeu vir Brendan Venter!
30 Oct 2011, 13:23 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-613: Hougaard better at wing. We need a good sniping 9 who passes crisply behind the scrum.
30 Oct 2011, 13:23 pm
@Puma(Puma)-609: Lambie is probably too old school, to polished and too talented for the morons to see. The green eyed monsters will be backing Elton for rugby as well as political reasons.
Poor Lambie.
30 Oct 2011, 13:24 pm
Hey look, Elton Jantjes is good, very good…
30 Oct 2011, 13:24 pm
Hougaard at 9 is not a bad move at all, once again it’s about building that skill set at 9, this is down to the attack coach teaching him to make the right decisions, and ensuring he can execute decisions.
30 Oct 2011, 13:27 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-615: I think Hougaard can work at that aspect of his game. But he is magic, and needs to be involved more than he would out on the wing. I think he could become a scrumhalf legend for the Boks.
30 Oct 2011, 13:29 pm
Goosen is a better rounded 10 than Lambie.. and Janties a far better attacking natural gain line breaking 10.. Lambie is better from 15 but Taute is better still if its a NZ / Lions type game style Boks going to adopt.. Taute / Latham very similar players..
Taute must not go to wing less you want to stuff him up for good.. He is a natural attacking FB who loves coming into 13 position through the phase play.. Leave him there where he is most effective and destructive.. Never shift Taute to wing to accomodate Lambie.. rather the other way around.. Lambie the better utility player than either of Taute or Jantjies or Goosen.. so in my team he goes to bench.
Mapoe a good 13/14 option and so is Fourie, Sadie, Engelbrecht, Mvovo .. with JdJ, Venter, Steyn, covering 12
Enormous depth of talent coming through SA rugby with correct structures and coaching should be able to dominate 3N and next WC
30 Oct 2011, 13:30 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-579: sharkievarkies are delusional …. according to them many a guppy is the real Drake and should be Boks … plain average Bok players like Kankowski, Daniels, Odwa and Hargreaves are kak and are the lesser of real players like Whiteley/Strauss, Minnie, Killian and Franco vd Merwe.
Even Lambie who found himself playing at first receiver is nothing more than an average joe …. how is it that a “Bok” cannot take kickoffs without the ball going out on the full … once is a mistake but 3 times.
30 Oct 2011, 13:30 pm
A development coach will be crucial for the boks, a coach who can upskill players for their requisite positions. If Lambie plays 10 who kicks for poles, Elton is far ahead of him in that role, and has more variance and tricks at 10 than Lambie, he’s got Carlos Spencer to thank for that.
30 Oct 2011, 13:33 pm
Hougaard must play 9.. had Hougaard played 9 this WC and Spies and Smit were OUT the team we would have made semi’s and likely the overall winners.. no doubts..
@>^..^< katman(katman)-613:
Yip you got my exact team in a 4/3 split goes like this
9 Hougaard
10 Jantjies
11 JPP
12 Steyn
13 Fourie
14 Mvovo
15 Taute
20 Duvenhage
21 Aplon
22 Lambie
30 Oct 2011, 13:34 pm
And now the deluded bunch arrive.
ciao
30 Oct 2011, 13:35 pm
Lambie’s kicking game needs working, kick-offs, and still ball kicks not up to scratch for a 10, his kicking from the back is not bad, what I like is that he makes good decisions from the back, he’s receipt of the high ball is superlative with a taute, Lambie, killian back three that would be a killer counter attacking option to start the attack.
30 Oct 2011, 13:38 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-623: Yep, that’s a very potent backline. Probably the best starting 7 we have. Not sure about Duvenhage though. And I’d really want to find space for De Jongh somewhere.
30 Oct 2011, 13:39 pm
Mapoe is a good 13 – and can play 11 or 14 similar to Mvovo with perhaps better handling skills
Aplon is not done.. Had Boks used Aplon in the WC especially in that game vs Aussie we would have done better than we did..
Mitchell won’t take Bok job that is a given.. but Venter might
I rather have Venter than either Mallet or Meyer, and I would consider Treu with highly qualified and technically astute backups like Carel and Smal or Proudfoot
Let Mallet get the Pom job.. that is what he actually is after he won’t work for Saru again and probably neither will Meyer..
30 Oct 2011, 13:39 pm
Jpp and mvovo are not for me, I think they are limited as ball players, they are both classical wingers in the old mould. I’d like to see wingers who elect to not go on the outside because there are support lines on the inside and greater possibility for continuity.
30 Oct 2011, 13:40 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-621: to think even a plonker like mcleod went on the EOYT
30 Oct 2011, 13:46 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-624: ciao schmuckface … only deluded schmuckarse is you .. pity you cannot realize it dumbfck doos
@>^..^< katman(katman)-626:
Yip I would play JdJ definitely so its either Steyn or Aplon that have to give way either from starting or from bench.. but Aplon is a necessary game breaker but not from 15 .. must be at wing
JdJ / Steyn is a difficult call.. and Duvenhage is our next best scrummy by far.. with the rounded kicking game ala FdP / Genia slightly better than Hougaard who is more terrier Joost type player
Hougaard to 9 with Duvenhage on bench
30 Oct 2011, 13:50 pm
The beautiful, pale, elitist, private-school-educated, well-rounded, brilliant Lambie for president.
30 Oct 2011, 13:52 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-628: I’m not 100% sold on either of them either though JPP been there and done good..
I still want to see what Mapoe can produce with a consistent team dynamic working and devoid of injury for a period…
Hollenbach and Le Grange really stepped up in both attack and defense.. and it was left to Mitch to shift them around and put Doppies wide to 13 and Hollenbach inside to 12 which worked out to be a masterstroke… with Killian out on wing and Taute at back..
30 Oct 2011, 13:54 pm
Mapoe is still a thief. He owes the Sharks 600k
30 Oct 2011, 13:54 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-629: I forgot about him, he is a forgetable player …. an average journeyman but yet another guppy not good enough to ever play for the Boks who did. That kid Cronje is better than him, hell he is even better than Hoffman who choked!
Word is that Cronje is leaving the guppy tank to join the Lions.
30 Oct 2011, 13:55 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-631: go for it .. maybe he got a whole lotta defunct aura also to trade in
Lambie got qualities no doubt about it but messiah for all seasons he ain’t … just like the rest of the guppieyuppie king making moegoes still cannot fathom about some their other defunct heroes who screwed Bok chances out the window and down the f’ng drain..
30 Oct 2011, 13:56 pm
Well done Lions!!
Players like Rhodes , Taute , Jantjies , Cilliers , Minnie have developed into wonderful players and can only benefit the overall strength of SA Rugby.
30 Oct 2011, 13:57 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-633: Sharks tried to steal him from Cheetahs and got left holding the wrong side of the carrot bunch while Lions collected the spoils.. you know the old adage about karma it is inviolable and functions exactly as it should..
30 Oct 2011, 14:02 pm
The moment I saw Ryan do that dirty move on Jantjies I knew right there guppies were going to k@k. Ryan loves playing the Lions and when he performs they usually win. Alberts was still good though but was well looked after. Deysel you can not train ankles in a gym buddy
So now the fans want to fire Plum?
I tell you what you need to do… go and look at the dummy giving out contracts to these has beens and these internationals. Focus on the guys coming out of your academy and work with them because they might just score tries against you…. oh wait…. thanks Pat.
30 Oct 2011, 14:02 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-635: Don’t blame all the Sharks.
One fat number 2 and a dumb coach was all that was required. Smit and PDV, the jester and the joker.
30 Oct 2011, 14:05 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-637: Cheetahs were paying him 5K a month. SHarks paid him 100k. Hardly an unfair deal. Don’t you think?
Still a thief.
30 Oct 2011, 14:07 pm
@Tuna(Tuna)-638: Do you know who handles contracts?
Academy is fine but some questions do need to be answered:
1. Why the useless purchases?
2. Why Bashford?
3. Why HRE, he wasn’t great the first time?
Weird ideas.
30 Oct 2011, 14:07 pm
@Tuna(Tuna)-638: they should fire big ears, he is the talent scout … after Pienaar left he brought in a 28 year old journeyman like McCleod and a WP reject in Hoffman instead of backing young talent like Cronje … I will welcome him to the den just like I welcomed other youngsters who got stuffed around and were told that they are not as good as the name players that were being bought.
30 Oct 2011, 14:10 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-640: You should really rinse those numbers off after pulling them from your arse.
5k?
100k?
If you tell this story in 6 months’ time it will probably be 2k and 200k.
30 Oct 2011, 14:11 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-642: You are correct.
Sharks don’t have centres but we had some, they play for the Lions now, and FS.
As for Cronje, trying to negotiate a contract for your little brother to be included is just dumb, it’s hardly the same as the du Plessis boys.
30 Oct 2011, 14:12 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-641: No idea how is in charge of contracts, but someone need to slap the taste out of his mouth.
I know that academy is fine look at Rhodes, Whiteley and Cilliers and now there is talk of the Cronje brothers going to the Lions. Watch under Mitchell they will shine. Do you remember Andy Goode? FFS who signs these oakes. I thought Bosman was a silly signing but Joubert is making Bosman look like Thor.
30 Oct 2011, 14:12 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-643: Truth. Go find out.
Truth.
30 Oct 2011, 14:13 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-642: @>^..^< katman(katman)-643: Did you see the Lions Championship jersey? Delicious!
30 Oct 2011, 14:14 pm
@Tuna(Tuna)-645: Rudi Straulie (sp) handles contracts and talent finding… yes, this is truth
30 Oct 2011, 14:15 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-646: Kak man. There was a story about his pay at FS, but you’ve just made those numbers up.
How about YOU go find out, and report back here. With a handy link to the story. There’s a good boy.
Or should I say, go you good thing.
30 Oct 2011, 14:16 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-639: that schmuck is a Shark isn’t he.. the ultimate Shark of all Sharks who single handed stuffed Boks right out the WC … the single most aura covered glory boy ever to don the coveted green and gold No.2 jersey stuffed Boks through and through.. an entire waste of 4 whole years following that schmuck down the g’dam toilet…
And PdV was the poor fool who was ‘advised’ by Keohane, and Oberholzer and Hoskin and you name it to go and Fetch him from Clermont and make him Bokkie captain and tie himself hand and foot to his legacy till they both go sinking down the g’dam plughole together strapped and en-wrapped so tight that the straight jacket throttled the life blood right out the entire team…
Bismark got done.. his time has come and is now gone.. following after the entrails left behind by that piece of lardarse who had his own vainglory in his minds eye to the entire cost of the entire country and the team..
And what is worse is the crime goes unpunished.. he is STILL regarded as THE g’dam twinkling little bright star who can do no f’ng wrong… meanwhile was him and him alone that stuffed an entire team out the WC and WASTED an entire 4 years of potential and RUINED a few careers as a result .. all on account of some overstated f’ng defunct aura that simply don’t exist..
30 Oct 2011, 14:16 pm
@Tuna(Tuna)-647: No, where would one see this?
30 Oct 2011, 14:17 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-649: There is no story, the numbers are real. Go ask the Unions, or the players, seems you know everything about rugby now you have a cup…
Surely someone like you must know the players well…
30 Oct 2011, 14:17 pm
congrats lions fans.
it’s magic being crowned champions
30 Oct 2011, 14:19 pm
guess this place is devoid of shorks fans.
love the scoreline.
30 Oct 2011, 14:20 pm
Streauli is poison who destroyed the Boks and then Sharks give him a DOR in Durban.. go figure.. Sharks gotta be the ultimate moegoes of all moegoes to give Streauli the keys to the palace,, what kind numbskull idiots do THAT.!!
30 Oct 2011, 14:20 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-650: Totally agree with you on Smit, but back when he was brought back he saved PDV from a sinking ship. Payment was the RWC ruin.
JS is so arrogant, it’s a pity only a few can see it. An arrogant, greedy man who didn’t even have the decency to go to the Presidents’ Suite last weekend as an honoured guest. Absolutely pathetic, greedy little man.
30 Oct 2011, 14:21 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-652: You just make up any kak you like, and tell me to go ask people? Doesn’t work like that, boet. You post your evidence or your links to stories, or you’re just another bigmouth bulshitter. One of many. That’s how it works.
30 Oct 2011, 14:22 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-651: Search for Gilbert Rugby South Africa on Facebook.
30 Oct 2011, 14:23 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-657: I don’t have to prove anything, those be the numbers. Never saw it in a story, heard it with my own ears. Why does it rattle you so?
30 Oct 2011, 14:23 pm
@tuna
Where can we see that jersey?
30 Oct 2011, 14:25 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-660: Search for Gilbert Rugby South Africa on Facebook.
30 Oct 2011, 14:25 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-660: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Gilbert-Rugby-South-Africa/106656219415854
30 Oct 2011, 14:25 pm
@Tuna(Tuna)-658: cool
30 Oct 2011, 14:28 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-663: Rumor has it Jano Vermaak is on the waiting list for one too. Kak move ne Jano?
30 Oct 2011, 14:31 pm
Lol I see the kiwi turtle head is another honourary Lion for the time being.
30 Oct 2011, 14:33 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-665: Poops backed the Lions last week already. New members always welcome.
30 Oct 2011, 14:34 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-659: I’m not rattled, boet. Just irritated by little kids who post whatever they like as facts and can’t even dream of backing it up. I remember this story well. The Sharks said, after the whole mess went public, they’d pay him up to R100k if he moved (which remains hypothetical, because it never happened). The Cheetahs were paying him between R20k and R30k a month. Not R5k, as you claimed.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/CurrieCup/Mapoe-saga-continues-20101004
http://sport.iafrica.com/rugby/news/554321.html
See, that wasn’t so difficult.
Of course the big fukkup was that the Sharks wanted him for free from the Cheetahs, who still had a contract. They wanted to get away without buying out the contract. So the Lions offered to do so, and they now have him. and they pay him a decent wage. End of story.
30 Oct 2011, 14:38 pm
@Tuna(Tuna)-661: Cool. Nice memento.
30 Oct 2011, 14:45 pm
@Tuna(Tuna)-664: Yip and Mossie too, the one who left cause he wanted to play for a winning team
30 Oct 2011, 14:54 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-653: Especially when it happens once in a generation
30 Oct 2011, 15:30 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-650: now that there is the whole truth.
that fat boy farked up careers……and it is a DISGRACE!
30 Oct 2011, 15:35 pm
Yes it’s the lowly Currie Cup…
Yes it was against a team with one of the most one-dimensional coaches in world rugby…
Yes it was against my team…
Yes it is exciting to see Ellis Park full and some renewed energy back in Lions territory!
30 Oct 2011, 15:36 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-672: yes….you are a plonker of distinction!
30 Oct 2011, 15:50 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-672: lowly Currie cup, shutup you wannabee sheepshagger convict. Do not come here and belittle our rugby heritage.
30 Oct 2011, 15:51 pm
@grant10(grant10)-673:
Yes… I’m surprised you even show your face on this blog after almost every single inhabitant has called you a ****!
30 Oct 2011, 15:58 pm
Is Mapoe at the Sharks
Haven’t seen him in yonks
30 Oct 2011, 16:01 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-676: he was celebrating with the Lions yesterday … was one of the injured players to collect his winners cup.
30 Oct 2011, 16:30 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-667: There’s more to a story than what you read in the newspaper chump.
30 Oct 2011, 16:32 pm
Come on Keo, what about some articles on prospective Bok coaches? You lot claim to have insider sources… (sic)
30 Oct 2011, 16:34 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-675:
All the children on the playground are going to start throwing stones at you now.
Dawn, then Tuna (Shark?) then RL then Gunther then Tomotei then grant…..all the tossers on keo…..and in the background is a lonely Kiwi looking to find a side to hide behind…..
30 Oct 2011, 16:50 pm
GreaT white plonker what is your problem with me.
Spit it out.
30 Oct 2011, 17:00 pm
Awesome Game Lions.
Congrats Lions fans, the long wait is over. Worthy champs and your team plays the best rugger in SA.
Refreshing having a competent, fair ref in charge of a game for a change.
It is now imperative that SA Rugby convince John Mitchell to coach the Boks… Break the bank, give the man Carte Blanche.
Fark the rest of the candidates – he has done an amazing job with the Lions – a self described bunch of ordinary guys doing extraordinary things.
From a diehard Sharks fan to the Lions, their fans and particularly their coaching staff: RESPECT!!!
30 Oct 2011, 17:22 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-682: well said Sir….every now and then you surprise me…
30 Oct 2011, 17:34 pm
15.Taute
14. JPP (I feel at ease when his in the BOK team)
13. JDJ
12. Steyn
11. Hougaard
10. Jantjies (Jury is still out, hope he has a good 2012)
9. Pretorius
8. Strauss
7. Alberts
6. Brussow (he will adapt)
5. Bekker
4. Mostert
3. Jannie
2. Bissy
1. Guthro
30 Oct 2011, 17:36 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-682: @grant10(grant10)-683:
G10, you miss the mark again as BraveFart is just choosing this very quiet moment in a very COWARDLY but expected fashion for the LOUT he really is.
After all his bluster he is too scared to face the crowd.
30 Oct 2011, 17:37 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-684: nice……but lets see how Duanne Vermeulen goes at 8……and Schalk was huge at 7 for Boks….
also the 4 lock…not as yet convinced that is the right call…
Brussow at 6 a must have imo…..simply the best of the best…
30 Oct 2011, 17:42 pm
@ET.(ET.)-685: mmmm…you may have a point there Mr ET….
this was a very sane and truthful post from HG…..something I am not too used to from the prat!
30 Oct 2011, 17:44 pm
@grant10(grant10)-686: I’m a Stormers/WP man but Schalk on attack is really starting to worry me.
I like what I saw in Mostert. The Sharks used Deysel at lock yesterday??? Maybe theirs another option.
30 Oct 2011, 17:46 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-684: @grant10(grant10)-686: As a die-hard WP fan I will admit Duane is not up to test standard. Oozes physicality but lacks brains and hands. Strauss a better option.
But you kids forget who the best player in South Africa is, his name is Juan Smith and don’t you dare write him off until he starts playing badly (which never happens). Ask the Kiwi’s who they fear the most in our pack. Always Smith, absolute beast.
Alberts can come off the bench, he’ll have a massive impact or put him at 8 w/e.
Don’t like Sarel at 9… Would rather have Hougaard there and have another wing. Mvovo will step up eventually, or Mapoe or even Killian.
Not ready to admit Taute is better than Lambie although I believe he has more talent but Lambie is one cool customer, Taute prone to many brainfarts.
Otherwise love the rest.
In other news, Wikus van Heerden shaved off Strauss’s beard after the game haha.
30 Oct 2011, 17:48 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-680: Blah blah… you still look silly boetie, deal with it.
@grant10(grant10)-686: I think Rhodes at 4 is worth a shot.
30 Oct 2011, 17:49 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-688: Not convinced about Deysel either…..i think super 15 may sort that out….Elstaht may step up….4 lock is a concern for me….Schalk is a natural blindsider……ACruins it when he plays schalk as opensider….
lets wait and see….maybe J Smith will be back as blind sider as well….
nice problems to have….
30 Oct 2011, 17:50 pm
@Tuna(Tuna)-690: yip…..he is gonna be a very good player….as I said….super 15 will sort out a few issues before Poms arrive in June
30 Oct 2011, 17:51 pm
@jeraldjay Difficult to pick a starting XV 8 months from the first test. Good super 15 seasons from Sadie, Goosen and a whole bunch of youngster can change that team very quickly. I must say Jantjies convinced me yesterday, but Lambie was also outstanding in a losing team. He has some special touches.
30 Oct 2011, 17:52 pm
@Bagel(Bagel)-689: valid points you make re J Smith……
As for lambie over taute at 15….no mate….taute is the real deal…
30 Oct 2011, 17:52 pm
@Bagel(Bagel)-689: Fark Bagel.
Jaun Smith. How quick we forget.
Fully fit he is a must come 4N 2012.
Have to play Alberts, Strauss then has to be benched.
30 Oct 2011, 17:54 pm
@grant10(grant10)-692: The dude who takes 5 punches without even buckling for trying to rip a guy’s head off. He’s ready
30 Oct 2011, 17:54 pm
@Horings(Horings)-693: yip….speculating is always fun….but super 15 will reveal all
for me the Head Coach is far more important than anuthing else….that is make or break !
30 Oct 2011, 17:56 pm
@Tuna(Tuna)-696: ja….he is one hard son of a gun….sharks let him out the net and now sit with Hargreaves…..whoa!
30 Oct 2011, 17:57 pm
@Horings(Horings)-693: We all know 8months is a life time in rugga.
Hope Goosen does well. I’m posting under correction but I think it was Cane (or another Kiwi) that called him the Tendulker of rugby.
30 Oct 2011, 17:58 pm
@grant10(grant10)-698: They miss him. He’s profile is still on the Sharks page. Goes to show what a good coach can do with someone who is willing to learn. I’m out, weather looks menacing. Cheers all.
30 Oct 2011, 17:59 pm
This who I would like to see in the Bok side going forward
15 Lambie
14 JPP
13 Doppies
12 Hollenbach/Steyn
11 Taute
10 Jantjes
9 Hougaard
8 Strauss
7 Schalk/Smith
6 Brussouw
5 Bekker
4 Alberts
3 JdP
2 Bismarck/Brits
1 Gurthro/Beast
Combos count and my midfield combo of choice is the Lions 10,12,13.
Coaches: Mitchell and whoever he wants
30 Oct 2011, 18:00 pm
@Tuna(Tuna)-700: cheers
30 Oct 2011, 18:02 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-701: no HG….Taute at 15…..F Steyn at 12….JDJ at 13….
Lambie must compete for 10 spot imo…..why mess taute about….he is such a natural attacking 15….
30 Oct 2011, 18:03 pm
cheers…
outta here
30 Oct 2011, 18:23 pm
Now if there was an end of year tour I would hope to see more than a few of the Lions players being given a good run. Players like:
Taute
Killian
Doppies
Elton
Strauss
Minnie
Minnie for me has been one of the finds of the season. A real fetcher/spoiler. Something the Sharks really didn’t have on Saturday. They picked Daniel who is a very mobile loosie but not a genuine fetcher. I think the decision to leave Jaques Botes out was a bog error. If i was province I’d be making him an offer. Very valuable player who would get good game time at the Stormers.
Sharks made the same mistake as the WP by picking an unbalanced loose trio that was shown up by the Lions. Credit to them (the Lions) for doing just that.
Steggman has proven to be a big dissapointment on the international stage and I’d like to give someone else a go. Minnie deserves a chance top prove himself.
These guys will have a chance to kick on from this performance in next year’s super 15. Good luck to them all!
30 Oct 2011, 18:24 pm
Lambie is a good solid player
Dependable but not brilliant.
He is certainly not the next boy wonder ( like a James O’Conner)
Does not have the attacking abilities or speed to be a fullback in the class of a Dagg or even a Beale
… or the flair of a Cooper at 10.
…and obviously not the all round genius of a Carter.
Or locally, he does not seem to have the “spark” of a Jantjes or Goosen at 10 or a Taute or Aplon at 15.
He will probably end up as a solid international level” journeyman” at the most.
30 Oct 2011, 18:27 pm
To all the Sharks fans..hard luck guys, you were beaten by a better side on the day. To my Lions…Well done, you made us proud. This is huge for us and the Union! Keep your feet on the ground!!
30 Oct 2011, 18:31 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-706: The guys 21. Impossible to make that assumption at this juncture.
30 Oct 2011, 18:38 pm
Wierd… Cheetahs win three Currie Cups with a pillaged team and yet no-one espoused Rassie nor Naka as the next Bok coach…
Currie Cup= substandard competition… nothing more than a stepping stone to the real deal…
30 Oct 2011, 18:42 pm
Could Mark Lawrence tell us why at the aftermatch function he hugged all the Lions players. That’s a wee bit… well, girly
30 Oct 2011, 18:44 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-706: Really Rob, he’s so normal he got a standing ovation when made head boy. That doesn’t happen to journeymen.
Are you feeling okay?
30 Oct 2011, 18:50 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-711: Dude, I like Patrick as much as anyone but what has that got to do with it?
30 Oct 2011, 18:52 pm
@Morne for DOR(stormersboy)-712: What I mean is Rob says he’s an average player, a journeyman. I’m just saying he has way more lass than that. That was just an illustration of it.
Really, I’m sick of people wishing away Sharks talent, not sure whether it’s jealously or whatever. Seriously, a journeyman, Rob isn’t fit to drink his p11ss
30 Oct 2011, 18:57 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-713: Ag please man it’s got nothing to do with the Sharks. Lamb’s best attribute is his calmness he brings under the high ball and on defense etc. He’s hardly a brilliant attacker with his lack of serious pace and step, and his flyhalf play is nowhere near that of Jantjies or Goosen. Like I said earlier he’s our best FB option is Steyn plays 12 but Taute has waaaaaay more potential than the guy.
30 Oct 2011, 18:58 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-709:
For me, it’s how the Lions have played under Mitchell, that’s impressive. Support runners, looking to offload and the speed that they moved the ball.
30 Oct 2011, 19:04 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-713: I think you are overreacting. Let me explain why I say that. Bryce is saying that he is an international level player. No one is average at that level. What he is saying is that is not exceptional judged on that level. being a Journeyman as a springbok is still a great compliment.
I understand what he means, but I’m prepared to reserve judgement on how good he’ll become.
It’s a real priveledge to have guys like Lambie, Elton, Taute et al competing for a place.
Good luck to them all.
30 Oct 2011, 19:06 pm
You people are heathens
30 Oct 2011, 19:09 pm
Elton and Taute have been magnificent amongst the Lions backs these last two seasons.
But one of the unsung heroes in the Lions set-up is Michael Killian. A classic example was the way he carved up the Sharks back-line like a tin of baked beans. Taute can thank him for that try. Killian pops up at the right time and is one of the best finishers in the country.
30 Oct 2011, 19:13 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-718: And an ex Shark.
How many have we let go.
Killian
Cilliers
Rhodes
Kocket
Mostert
Andries Strauss
Murray
And purchased a bunch of ******.s
30 Oct 2011, 19:21 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-719:
I, for one, agree with you on Lambie at 15. That is if Frans Steyn is the incumbent 12 right now – he showed JDV up. Then Lambie must stay at 15. Taute’s time will come. It’s just that Lambie has been there done that in the green and gold. But competition is healthy and with a new coach being announced shortly, I’m looking forward to the new bunch performing in the S15.
30 Oct 2011, 19:21 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-709: Sub standard? Keep on telling yourself that.
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-719: Get rid of those decision makers at the Sharks. Maybe you can lure Muir back from the Lions.
30 Oct 2011, 19:23 pm
Let us not throw Lambie out with the bath water. In a different team with different coach, who knows.
And unlike Elton he was a head boy and speaks well.
30 Oct 2011, 19:24 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-719: when did michael killian play for the Sharks? which year & @ what level?
30 Oct 2011, 19:26 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-711:
I am cool- thanks, lol, just about every second person I meet these days have been head boy at some or other school , amazing that we have so much leadership in this country.
Patrick seems a top class bloke -good son in law material
I am just not sure about the X- factor on the rugby field at the top level.
But it is early days….
30 Oct 2011, 19:27 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-723: Natal boy
30 Oct 2011, 19:28 pm
@HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-721: Muir, are you kidding. I wouldn’t let that piece of fetid fecal fungus anywhere near a rugby ball.
30 Oct 2011, 19:28 pm
@I am a stormer(I am a stormer)-720: I also agree with Lambie being the current no 1.
Next year however brings a new season and a new super comp.
All to play for, and that can’t be bad!
30 Oct 2011, 19:30 pm
I dunno why people are doubting Lambie all of a sudden. He was one of the better players at the RWC. I agree he was a bit flat these last 2 CC games. Also he had to adjust the way the Boks play and how the Sharks play, it is disrupting. Taute and Jantjies had the luxury of playing together the whole CC. Do we remember how “good” Jantjies was after last year EOYT? Mitchell even dropped him for a few games. Also Mitchell was peed off because he didn’t want Elton to go because he wanted to work with him. Don’t write off Lambie just yet.
30 Oct 2011, 19:30 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-726: He got us Mitchell
30 Oct 2011, 19:33 pm
What we need to celebrate, is that the next coach if he’s intelligent enough, has numerous players vying for a place. We need a pool of players that can be drawn on in the knowledge that they can fit in and adapt to whatever game plan the coach chooses. No position or player should be sancrosanct and the concept of “structure” should be a basic framework, not the “rugby by numbers” that we’ve played for the last 8 years.
30 Oct 2011, 19:38 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-725: He is an Eastern Cape boy, born and raised … now I know you sharkievarkies think that the EC is part of KZN but you are dead wrong.
30 Oct 2011, 19:42 pm
Well done Lions!!!!!! I don’t like the fact that you won, I am a Province man after all and I wanted them to win the CC, I do like the fact that you crushed the Guppies though, well done again.
A couple of realities that the Lions supporters must accept though!!
- You won the CC in WC year; all the other major Unions were significantly depleted as a result.
- You have had the luxury of taking your S15 squad and playing against these depleted sides in the CC building on the continuity from the S15.
- It has been proved once again that integrating retuning Boks seems to be a hindrance, something the Lions have not had to worry about for a few years now.
- How would Mitchell have fared under these limitations, having to play with basically an u21 side devoid of most his stars for most of the CC?
- The Bulls playing the entire season with Bakkies, Vic, FDUP, Chillli- Boy etc building up momentum, would this Lions side have beaten them.
- Province with, Bekker, Elstadt, Vermeulen, Van Aswegen, Duvenhage, Schalk, etc playing the entire season building momentum, would this Lions side have beaten them??
- Would JM still be looking so flush, remember the Lions could not do it in the S15.
- Likewise the Sharks, if they were allowed to play uninterrupted throughout?
I am not saying that the Lions are not worthy champs, they are, they can only play what is put in front of them, they are playing an exciting brand of rugby and they have players who definitely should be spoken of as Bok contenders and Mitchell has got them into amazing shape, they are super fit and a happy team so kudos to JM and team for that.
The issues above are very real though, I believe next seasons S15 will be the true acid test for us to gauge just how far this team has progressed.
JM has definitely benefitted from WC year but one cannot deny his contribution ,if he wants the Bok job he must surely be the strongest candidate at the moment.
Next year going to very exciting, cannot wait ?
30 Oct 2011, 19:44 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-731: Oops, Eastern Cape, KZN, same thing
30 Oct 2011, 19:51 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-732:
The main problem for the Lions in the S15 will be depth.
30 Oct 2011, 19:56 pm
@David(David)-734:
True, depth in S15 is vital, I think they will be aggresive in the market though !!!
Also their youngsters are starting to come through nicely !!
30 Oct 2011, 19:58 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-732:
Come now JR …. Mitch can only beat what’s in front of him and that story about the Boks missing is a yellow excuse.
Fact is that of 30 Boks selected for RWC a whopping 10 were overseas based players, as at the start of the Currie cup season.
The Cheetahs only had Brussow on world cup duty, they also played with their Super team. The Bulls were not that disrupted, as you claim. The only Boks missing from their team were Chiliboi, Spies, Steyn and Hougie … that’s only 4 players ffs.
As forThe WP would not havw qualified for the semis if it were not for their Boks and the Guppies would not have played a home semi if it were not for their Boks, infact the Cheetahs would have moered them out of the final if it were not for their Boks.
End of the day the Boks had 3 weeks with their team before the final … Boks moered the ABs after only playing 1 match the week before, so no excuse for disruptions it is also a yellow excuse.
30 Oct 2011, 20:08 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-736:
Boet I am not wanting to take anything from the Lions, they are the champs, the issue i am raising is, if all the other unions were allowed to go from S15 to CC with their full S15 squads uninterrupted for the duration of the CC, would the Lions still of been as successful, I don’t know, I have my doubts based on the previous S15 though!!
But I really do not want to rain on your parade!! Enjoy the moment my friend!!
30 Oct 2011, 20:17 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-736:
What excited me about the Lions is that they’re playing the type of rugby I’ve envisaged for the Boks. I’d put money on the fact that PdeV was also impressed and a bit jealous.
Whoever the next Bok coach is needs to take a lesson from the Lions, because if he selects Lions players and tries to force them into a traditional “structured” system a la Jake, he’ll destroy them.
30 Oct 2011, 20:25 pm
@David(David)-738: Something to keep in mind is that Jakes siad he wanted to evolve the Bok playing style if he had stayed on. He’d have done evolution. not revolution.
30 Oct 2011, 20:33 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-739:
I don’t believe he had the talent or vision to do it. I’m not writing him of, but we’ll see how he does at the Brumbies.
Jake puts himself (his ideas) before the talent of the players, and I reckon that’s his major weakness.
30 Oct 2011, 20:42 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-708: Nope,I have to agree with Robzim
Lambie, is good, a solid player, not a flyhalf at all and slow when he joins the line from fullback. He may have to start looking at other areas in the backline , maybe at inside center, but at this point in time a white Ndungane
30 Oct 2011, 20:43 pm
@David(David)-738: This was the Boks rugby before 1990
30 Oct 2011, 20:47 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-735: Yep, you need a super squad, at least 30-40 players to win a Super trophy
But if all our SA teams are competitive it makes it easier to get to the top as a SA team, no easy ponts are then dished out to foreign teams
30 Oct 2011, 20:54 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-623: Mvovo is rubbish
Cannot kick, cannot pass, suspect on defense, and no side step
30 Oct 2011, 21:28 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-739: i don’t believe any of that rubbish, the litmus test will be the brumbies. changing a playing culture or style can’t start at NATIONAL level that’s why you see few Waratahs players in the aussie team or why promising youngsters are sent to canterbury by wayne smith.
30 Oct 2011, 21:59 pm
Is this story which is the most IMPORTANT in the world of S.A. sport this w-end deliberately being overlooked to fit in with the known Keo site posters’ morality of DISHONESTY about the country and its ills? :
Mbalula in *** row
October 30 2011 at 09:24am
30 Oct 2011, 21:59 pm
Soda Joe, excellent to see you here on the occasion of your team doing so incredibly well…..
Don’t leave it so long….they may not win the super 15 and we need to see you again before then!
30 Oct 2011, 22:03 pm
WELL HERE IT IS for YOU DESPICABLE TYPES and for ALL the world to READ:
{{ ” Mbalula in S E X Row (original investigation and story from City Press)
Sports Minister Fikile Mbalula is alleged to have impregnated a 27-year-old North West woman with whom he had a one-night stand.
Now Mbalula is accusing the woman of extortion after she allegedly demanded R40 000.
The Sunday Independent has seen some of Joyce Omphemetse Molamu’s SMSes to Mbalula in which she claims to have received R10 000 from Mbalula.
She also claims to be pregnant and wants to keep the child. Mbalula is married with two children.
The impending scandal has caused much concern within the ANC as Mbalula is a candidate of the ANC Youth League for the secretary-general’s position next year, when the ruling party convenes its elective conference in Mangaung.
The allegations also undermine ANCYL president Julius Malema’s one-boyfriend, one-girlfriend campaign which is aimed at reducing the spread of HIV and Aids in the country.
One SMS reads: “Hi, were u able to attend to my other request today like u said u wld? I spent the whole day in bed, I’m not feeling well. I did not get the bank SMS notification.”
Another SMS from Molamu reads: “Gettin out of yo life wit pleasure, gvn u back yo R10k with pleasure. But I’m keeping my child, I’ll survive! I dnt wana speak to u anymore.”
In another SMS she says: “We spoke bat ths on Monday, why wld I lie about being pregnant. I’ll wait 4 u to open yo case, gv u my medical report & i will not terminate ths pregnancy.
“Yo R10k is still in my account, I’ll gv it back to u. U & I will jst meet u @ maintance court afta 9months, I’ll gladly gv u a dna test & im nt stupid to go tell any reporters abt my personal life. I will still keep it to myself & u didn’t gv me R40k u deposited R10!”
The Sunday Independent has not seen Mbalula’s responses to these messages.
When contacted by The Sunday Independent for comment, Molamu said: “No comment. Don’t call me,” before hanging up.
Meanwhile, Mbalula’s lawyer Themba Langa said he planned to open an extortion case this week. – Sunday Independent ” }}
30 Oct 2011, 22:13 pm
@ET.(ET.)-748:
Should we be interested?
30 Oct 2011, 22:13 pm
And here too is Transie’s Bra’s Response – remember how excited was with this appointment and animatedly enthused with Gunt(‘C’ for G) about it one fine day not too long ago? :
Mbalula asks for privacy after *** scandal
October 30 2011 at 04:47pm
Sports Minister Fikile Mbalula
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{{ “In the aftermath of weekend reports detailing his *** life, Sports Minister Fikile Mbalula has asked for his privacy to be respected.
“I have consulted with my family and provided them with information and explanation for my acts and omissions in regard to the allegations that are swirling in the media,” Mbalula said in a statement on Sunday.
Newspapers widely and graphically reported that Mbalula was the victim of extortion at the hands of a woman he had had an affair with and who claimed she had been impregnated by him.
“I have apologised to my family, particularly to my wife, as I should have known better.
“I have been trying to deal with this matter, in a private manner, for the past three months and when it became clear to me that this woman was prepared to extort money from me, I then decided to cease all communication with her as I was not prepared to be blackmailed.”
Mbalula said claims by the woman, identified in reports as Joyce Omphemetse Molamu, that she was pregnant “remain unproven to me”.
Mbalula unsuccessfully approached the High Court in Johannesburg on Saturday to prevent the details surrounding the affair from being published.
He became aware that this was a possibility when The City Press newspaper sent him questions relating to the matter.
However, his court application could only be heard at 6pm – the print deadline of the paper.
In his statement on Sunday, Mbalula said he regretted subjecting his family to the media allegations and speculation.
“I apologise to the South African society, to the African National Congress and the South African Government. From now onwards this matter shall be dealt with as a private matter by my family.
“We therefore request the media and everyone else to afford the family time and space at this moment.”
Mbalula said he had also decided not to lay any charges against Molamu for “extortion or blackmail”.
It was reported that Molamu allegedly demanded R40,000 from Mbalula. ” }} – Sapa
This will all go down very, very well with the neo-racists of rugby and cricket for there is no better puppet to deal with than a compromised puppet.
Look wht lengths they went to to compromise P.DeV. (and the RWC is lost and history)-the TAPES, still unknown but the job is done and many were made richer with undeserved contracts.
30 Oct 2011, 22:15 pm
@carol(carol)-749:
Who cares about YOU?
You are not and never will be a born S.African. Now notch that on your counting pole too.
30 Oct 2011, 22:16 pm
No-one cares vervet.
30 Oct 2011, 22:26 pm
Vokken despicaable onbeskofte kont.
30 Oct 2011, 22:29 pm
Worse than that stalker Great white palooka.
30 Oct 2011, 22:55 pm
@ET.(ET.)-748: @ET.(ET.)-750: All these EMOTIONAL stories are not very scientific from a self-proclaimed “scientific” thinker…
Mmmmm, nothing like catching a hypocrite red handed….
30 Oct 2011, 23:01 pm
@ET.(ET.)-750: hehe you’re a funny guy ExTraball… “And here too is Transie’s Bra’s
Response – remember how
excited was with this appointment and animatedly enthused with Gunt(‘C’ for G) about it one fine day not too long ago?”
clearly your “alter of truth” rubbish that you spew here is just convinient lies. i Transie excited about Mbalula?
ask Tacitus when he shows up here tomorrow he’ll tell you what i said about the guy when he was appointed.
if you keep up the lie, i’ll have to expose u again
30 Oct 2011, 23:05 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-755: Its like the story about the Bobb.ejan with hand in the hollowed out pumpkin… caught red handed, and the Bobbe.jan is too stupid to let go… His instincts overpower him… Yet again HG has has caught this Bobbe.jan ExtraThuvi…
30 Oct 2011, 23:07 pm
Welld one Lions…………great to see you with some silverware!
30 Oct 2011, 23:08 pm
Fun time again for a short while.
What is black-haired and brown and at=cts like a clown?
30 Oct 2011, 23:10 pm
@ET.(ET.)-751:
Oh, put a sock in it ‘Mr. Popular’ !!
30 Oct 2011, 23:10 pm
@ET.(ET.)-759: you?
30 Oct 2011, 23:11 pm
@ET.(ET.)-759: Your Philly Tranny girlfriend…? Naughty Bobbe.jan….
30 Oct 2011, 23:15 pm
wtf this phillified philadelphia bred sewer cockroach doing scumming around on a rugby blog with his phucked up plucked out of nowhere s’ex scandals as if it has ANY bearing on anything relevant to ANYONE here. And this phucked up sewer cockroach is supposed to be a scientifically educated doctor of medicine or some such phucked up garbage regurgetating around his phucked up non scientifically educated pathetically inbred head
30 Oct 2011, 23:18 pm
Vervet seems more interested in Soapies than Science.
30 Oct 2011, 23:24 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-755:
Is Mbalula’s s e x u al capers a sport? A new S.A. black sport?
But s e x is a science. The science of procreation which ensures the survival of the species
Do you realise that even the emotions is science as that basic human needr esides in the Limbic system of the brain which deals with our basest needs to survive as a species?
It is not my emotions but Mbalula’s but I will still claim the science.
Now follow Transfornication’s emotions go awry.
30 Oct 2011, 23:25 pm
@ET.(ET.)-759:
Should read acts.
30 Oct 2011, 23:30 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-762:
Quite wrong because I do not deal in those closer to 55 than say even 48 who get even more rapidly older because they smoke like a Philly chimney.
Philly has blonds whether they be Caucasians or the many Spanish-heritaged people around.
In a few hours it is open war as Vick and his Eagles take on the hated Cowboys of Dallas.
30 Oct 2011, 23:31 pm
@ET.(ET.)-765: It is not your claim, blouballas. It was Dawn that gave you that little lesson… I’m actually beginning to reckon that you are about as scientific as a water diviner …
30 Oct 2011, 23:33 pm
@ET.(ET.)-767: “open war as Vick and his Eagles take on the hated Cowboys”…. More emotional claptrap from the self-proclaimed “scientific” thinker…
My, oh my, you’re really getting caught out….
30 Oct 2011, 23:42 pm
@Transfornication(Transfornication)-756:
Are you again being dishonest? Did you appreciate the MJ education of the science in his baskets in his sport?
Are you about to deny talking to Gunt(‘C’for G) excitedly during the Indian cricket tour to S.A. just before Christmas, about “Fikile”?
At that time I never knew who you were talking about with that unfamiliar name but soon realised it was Mbalula who had just been appointed to that position a little earlier in the year.
I like the naked body so expose all you want as you have only your fantasies that you and your ilk thrive on, out of desperation. I even swim in the birthday suit sometimes. Have you tried it? It is a wonderful experience of being free(in an ocean) as a bird being in a tree.
Will your bra “Fikile” get the chop now? I say NO.
30 Oct 2011, 23:47 pm
@cab(cab)-386:
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-399:
lol
30 Oct 2011, 23:50 pm
these phucked outa sight scientists are so emphatically phucked through their phucked out heads its downright Philly phanny phuckadilly time in Philly phannyarse country.
Now sexuality is reduced to science, what next? these phucked outa sight second rate scientists gonna pretend they got shat into this world between their unsuspecting mothers thighs through some scientifically ordained act of randomly correlated scientifically regurgetated phucked outa sight self professed thesis.
30 Oct 2011, 23:54 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-768:
How drunk are you that you can dream up this “claim” s hit and attach it to a spin-stirrer.? You can “reckon” all you want from your poppy-seed muffins and mushroom induced hallucinations but you cannot change a thing of truth for like beauty it is a joy forever.
Now digest the s e x capers of your ‘Bok’s Minister of Sport for it is a fact and there is a liitle one around, maybe a Tokoloshe for you, to deal with.
30 Oct 2011, 23:56 pm
@ET.(ET.)-773: Caught out, my boy… Plain and Simple
30 Oct 2011, 23:57 pm
@Hell’s Shame(Helen’s Game)-768:
Speak to your Sham Poopal, as I am not in the habit of speaking to anyone with too much snot in the nostrils and sinuses.
30 Oct 2011, 23:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-774:
We don’t play cricket here to be caught out so dream on, but keep it plain and simple.
31 Oct 2011, 00:00 am
Does anyone else think ET writes like he is singing?:
“Speak to your Sham Poopal,
as I am not in the habit
of speaking
to anyone with too much snot in the nostrils
and sinuses.”
Very musically gifted our pet vervet.
31 Oct 2011, 00:01 am
How drunk are you
that you can dream up this “claim”
s hit and attach it
to a spin-stirrer.?
You can “reckon” all you want
from your poppy-seed muffins
and mushroom induced hallucinations
but you cannot change a thing of truth
for like beauty
it is a joy forever.
31 Oct 2011, 00:02 am
Anyway, well done to the lions team and the deserved win. Been a good year for them by the looks of it.
Still would have liked to have seen a Sharks win but you cant win em all.
31 Oct 2011, 00:03 am
I like the naked body
so expose all you want
as you have only your fantasies
that you and your ilk thrive on,
out of desperation. I even swim
in the birthday suit sometimes.
Have you tried it?
It is a wonderful experience of being
free(in an ocean) as a bird being in a tree.
31 Oct 2011, 00:04 am
Quite wrong
because I do not deal in those closer to 55
than say even 48
who get even more rapidly older
because they smoke like a Philly chimney.
Philly has blonds
whether they be Caucasians
or the many Spanish-heritaged people around.
31 Oct 2011, 00:04 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-779: “Still would have liked to have seen a Sharks win”… I like your work, big guy!
31 Oct 2011, 00:05 am
Makes no more sense if you sing song it though.
Still sounds like the senseless ramblings of a confused lab janitor.
31 Oct 2011, 00:06 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-779: At last, a kiwi who wanted the Sharks to win. Good on ya!
31 Oct 2011, 00:06 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-780: Yes, it is very EMOtional despite protestations to the contrary by the “Scientist”.
31 Oct 2011, 00:06 am
or could it be poetry?
31 Oct 2011, 00:11 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-783:
But it could make Haka.
Throw in some throat slits and it would be mean.
31 Oct 2011, 00:12 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-787: Lol, the haka works. Check this:
“Who cares
about YOU?
You
are not and never will be
a born S.African.
Now
notch that
on your counting pole
too.”
Yep, definitely Maori Haka.
31 Oct 2011, 00:42 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-788:
haha
I have sent this to the NZRU.
It will be performed by the ABs against the Boks only.
Now with lyrics like that, i am sure the Boks will destroy.
31 Oct 2011, 03:23 am
I see the Keo intellectuals are having a banter tonight. Lovely jubbly.
31 Oct 2011, 03:53 am
4,000,001 happy Kiwis:
each smiley face represents one year !!
Well done Lions.
31 Oct 2011, 07:21 am
@Eugene Terreblanche.(Eugene Terreblanche.)-765: I have never read a single post of yours which is coherent or intelligent. Rather they all reveal a sad, lonely, lost individual who longs to belong but does not know how. The contempt you draw from other bloggers appears to be little more than a sadomasochistic payoff that makes you feel some satisfaction that you have at least been noticed. If the company of other Saffas is so important to you, head on home.
31 Oct 2011, 07:31 am
well done lions.
havn’t seen that many ripped anuses and new ones torn in quite a while now.
enjoy the win…enjoy the cup…
but…and here’s the big but, lets see how you boys go in next seasons s15..at the leat this makes it a lot more exciting.
31 Oct 2011, 07:41 am
It just goes to show what can be achieved with a good coach!
Let this be a lesson to the selectors when selecting the new Springbok coach.
If we really want to win the next World Cup we have to select the best possible coaching team.
31 Oct 2011, 07:47 am
@ET.(ET.)-765:
Butsex is a science?
Your poor wife.
31 Oct 2011, 07:50 am
Transie, mshini, or anyone: could you please direct me to a web link that reports of heyneke Meyer changing the bulls game plan next year with pine Pienaar. Thanks much appreciated.
31 Oct 2011, 07:54 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-796:
what are getting at?
31 Oct 2011, 08:01 am
what are you getting at?
31 Oct 2011, 08:01 am
Bad luck Sharks.
Congrats to the Lions for a very good win.
So nice to see the pure joy on the players face after winning a legit final,none of the irb copy of wwe final we had at the rwc.
Rugby won,and what a great crowd.
31 Oct 2011, 08:06 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-777: @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-778: @wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-780:
LMFAO
31 Oct 2011, 08:16 am
@iceman(iceman)-794: amen !
31 Oct 2011, 08:17 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-796:
why?
31 Oct 2011, 08:38 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-802:
Joh.
Juiciy one two combination for julius and fikile on the front page of the Sunday Crimes.
Bleddy stellenboschwhitecapitalcounterrevolutionarymafia.
31 Oct 2011, 08:42 am
@Gunther(gunther)-803: What was the julius story?
31 Oct 2011, 08:49 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-804:
Minutes after the end of his long shuffle/van ride to economic freedom he was whisked to the airport by blue light convoy to attend a party in mauritius for one of the stcky fingers gang.
All expenses paid natch.
In other news – I see the DA’s new parliamentary leader has attributed her success to the IFP.
Ifatpanti.
31 Oct 2011, 08:53 am
@mpundula http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=154090
31 Oct 2011, 09:00 am
Well done to the Lion’s…!! A fully deserved victory proving that these Lion’s are the real deal.
Played the best rugby on the day and played the best rugby through the season.
Enjoy the win and the trophy and celebrate the revival of Lion’s rugby which can only be good for sa rugby as a whole.
Congratulations and well done for sticking it out and finally getting rewarded for your loyalty HHS, Katman and RL… True supporters… not fair-weather fans…
Just two negative notes from the game…
1 Pity that the stadium wasn’t full for a final… hopefully the win will see the short-fall redressed…
2 Will the sharks please play lambie at 10…? when lambie touched the ball things happened… but at 15 he only touched the ball if it was kicked onto him or from second phase… he has a great brain and reads the play and situation very well… if he was first receiver the sharks would be a whole different team… he could create a lot more if he got the ball a lot more… and the sharks are ruining his chances of competing for the Bok number 10…
failing that… come down to cape town… we need a quality flyhalf and you need to play flyhalf…
hand/glove….
31 Oct 2011, 09:05 am
there is NO WAY that the Lions would’ve beaten the Bulls in the final … Bulls with :
Matfield
Bakkies
Spies
Fourie Dup
Hougaard
Steyn
etc!! no WAYS!!! Something not right @ the sharks – bissie isn’t happy there – its 100% clear! and that backline = KAK Stefan, Adi (reserve), Marius & Hoffman! Plum should go!!
31 Oct 2011, 09:08 am
@ufo(ufo)-807:
three words…manchurian candidate…
31 Oct 2011, 09:14 am
@ufo(ufo)-807:
i see what you did there at the end…nice…(‘cue’ – micheal jackson’s billie jean)
31 Oct 2011, 09:15 am
@808 Pointless post! We would never know. Sharks won against the Bulls in their biggest game this year and they could not compete with the Lions. I am not saying the Lions would have won, but I have given you an argument that they would.
31 Oct 2011, 09:19 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-809:
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-810:
hehehe
31 Oct 2011, 09:23 am
After ranting about how the sharks will win, I will be first to admit the Lions played a superior game.
They showed that playing as a team means more than being called a springbok laden team. Maybe these boks had too much on their minds, or were still not over the WC exit, or maybe they are just not as good as they try to make out to be.
Well done Lions!! The type of rugby you played was brilliant!!
Last;y, Take note WP losers: Wp is the only “big” union to not have won anything in the last 10 years…
31 Oct 2011, 09:27 am
@Gunther(gunther)-803: did you see the grin on juju’s face up there in Mauiritius, economic freedom in our lifetime boyo!
these okes want whitey basson, GT Ferreira type money.
31 Oct 2011, 09:33 am
@Provvas(Provvas)-813:
hehehe
Your last line… is exactly what i said to my mates after the game…
we are now the union with the longest losing streak since we won our last trophy…
we really are the biggest losers in sa rugby at the moment…
wp/stormers now HAVE to up their game…
31 Oct 2011, 09:37 am
problem is we will see the WP coach take over Bok reins….
31 Oct 2011, 09:47 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-814:
if juju carries on like that he will also need the same ifatpanti as Lindiwe.
Hawu.
When the head of Gautengs metro asked about why Juius gets ibluelite to the airport he replied that they like to help out members of the public
I will remember that next time I am caught in Joburg traffic.
31 Oct 2011, 09:58 am
@Gunther(gunther)-817: eish uLindiwe needs ExTraball’s “science” to help her get rid of IFP
31 Oct 2011, 10:04 am
@Gunther(gunther)-817: you don’t have blue lights? you are sooo behind mate, everytime i’m in jozi if i’m not taking gautrain, i get a calvacade too
31 Oct 2011, 10:10 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-818:
et is a butsex expert
31 Oct 2011, 10:14 am
They should use parts of Joshua’s beard to fix the patches in Elton’s hair!
31 Oct 2011, 10:25 am
@grant10_is_a_maaifoedie(suffer_guy)-821:
LOL
not very pc but friggen funny
31 Oct 2011, 10:27 am
Gunts you are clearly fighting some inner demons to do with men.
31 Oct 2011, 12:52 pm
WP/Stormers got the same fckdup proooblem that Sharks have, and Boks have had, they got sweet f’all balls to blood youth and hang on for dear life to fckdup over the hill has beens, plus they got fokol clue about how rugby should be played in this day and age..
The Rassie / Coetsee blueprint for a successful backline maneuver is flood backline with forwards and have your f’ng overrated chief cook and bottle washer hero for all f’ng seasons be the first receiver go to man in EVERY occasion.
Coetsee and Burger are the problem at Proooblems… With Rassie hardly knowing how to rectify the fokop because he was instrumental in creating it..
Bok development squad to progress from here
Taute / Lambie / Viljoen
JPP / Mapoe
Fourie / Sadie
JdJ / Steyn / Venter
Aplon / Engelbrecht
Jantjies / Goosen
Hougaard / Duvenhage
Strauss / Vermeulen / Whitely / Koster / Botha
Alberts / Rhodes / Coetsee / Kolisi
Brussow / Minnie
Bekker / Kruger / Vd Merwe
Mostert / Vd Merwe
Oosthuizen / Cilliers / JdP
Bdp / Maku / Chili / Fourie
Steenkamp / Mtwarira / Greyling
31 Oct 2011, 13:55 pm
Horings 806: thanks mate!
31 Oct 2011, 13:58 pm
Transie: I was in a heavy debate with a friend who’s got a penchant to disagree with me on the turn, so I needed to give him a final backhand!
Kutheni ugeza kangaka, you must deliver answers maaan!
31 Oct 2011, 22:40 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-799:
Grow up clown.
Only reasons as to why you liked this final as it was a win for SA no matter what.
I hope you dont ever watch an international game as it will be fixed if SA lose.
NZ world champs, actually been that way for many years, we dont need a cup to prove anything.
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