Reason to smile
7 Nov 2011
Schalk Burger, the 2011 SA Player of the Year, should be the cornerstone of the Springbok side in 2012 and beyond.
Burger, who first played for the Boks in a 2003 World Cup match against Georgia, enjoyed an outstanding tournament in New Zealand, exhibiting the same abrasive energy that marked him as a 20-year-old debutant. He also made use of the experience he’s accumulated over 60-plus Tests, as well as some recently acquired skills, to leave a lasting impression.
The next Bok coach will face the challenge of building a new team and a new leadership group. Burger is certain to be one of the pillars, if not a strong candidate for the captaincy itself. Some tough decisions will need to be made by the coach, and the ageing veterans may need to make way for the promising youngsters, but a clever man-manager will realise that Burger is the kind of player he can build his new team around.
Also in the new issue of SA Rugby magazine, on sale this week:
– We analyse the Springboks’ World Cup campaign and rate all the players
– Why the Springboks must adapt their game plan in order to achieve consistent success
– Richie McCaw has a phenomenal playing record, but McCaw the player is even more impressive
– All Blacks coach Graham Henry has found peace at last
– We review all 48 matches of the 2011 World Cup
– The minnows made progress at the recent World Cup despite an unfair playing field
– Jon Cardinelli chronicles some of the World Cup adventures enjoyed by the SA Rugby magazine team during a seven-week sojourn to New Zealand’s rugby-mad North Island
– The SA U18 Sevens’ success at the Commonwealth Youth Games bodes well for the 2016 Olympic Games
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791 Comments
7 Nov 2011, 07:31 am
schalk burger should have a cornerstone stuck up his backside!….ok?…
put that in your pipe and smoke it dragons…
7 Nov 2011, 07:32 am
“cornerstone of the springbok side”…wow!
7 Nov 2011, 07:39 am
i mean really, who writes this stuff?
7 Nov 2011, 07:41 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-3:
Don’t know what you’re getting at.
Schalk Burger needs to be the Springbok number-8!!! Play him where he can be best utilized.
7 Nov 2011, 07:49 am
1. he’s not young enough and fresh enough to be as physical as he used to be anymore for starters.
2. he still has continual brain implosions at crucial times during matches which one would think is perhaps something permanent…i mean he just never seems to learn.
3. his technique is just unique…what kind of springbok runs into traffic backwards?…i mean really?…wtf?
4. he has had no success as a captain over how many seasons now?..and how many more?
5. is he an open-sider or is he a blind-sider…or is he perhaps…wait for it…an 8th man?
6. are there better players available to the springboks in every one of those positions?
7. he still thinks kukking refs out will in fact put his team in a better position, and does it often.
8. are these reasons to smile? who is smiling?…who is smiling?
7 Nov 2011, 07:58 am
bakkies bud…
think you’re a bit OTT here…
schalk still gets through more work on the field more consistently than any other bok…
on ReUnion they said he was one of the players of the tournament, despite us being knocked in the 1/4s, and south africa’s best of the WC…
when a pole was conducted among players going to the WC before the tourney, when asked who hits the hardest… schalk was the overwhelming ‘favorite’ followed by bakkies…
seriously now…
you think his career is over and he shouldn’t be a bok…???
7 Nov 2011, 08:01 am
one thing for absolute certain…..Schalk must never ever never be played at openside ever again……he excelled at WC at blindside….that is where he must compete ….
Vermeulen, Alberts for 8
Brussow…F LOuw at openside…….
No bloody AC Brainfarts with schalk at openside……see where it got WP in Semis of CC….as I predicted!
7 Nov 2011, 08:05 am
@grant10(grant10)-7:
yeah grant… i’m with you on this one…
however, if juan is fit i would play him at 8
7 Nov 2011, 08:08 am
Let’s see… most Keo fans are just so ****** subjectively stupid it’s beyond belief!
Firstly for all those nostalgic Currie Cup fans listen very carefully, comprehend, contemplate and then communicate!
Ready?
Which is the more accomplished achievement out of these two competitions?
- A competition where the Springboks are missing for 80% of the season, it involves 3 average teams that are outside of the big 5 and history has shown that past winners have had zero bearing on Super Rugby success…
-In the other corner there’s a competition between the big 5 powerhouses, contested by the very best 30 man squads available in RSA… and is contested both home and away?
Why yes it’s really not rocket science that winning the S15 RSA conference is light-years ahead of the Currie Cup in the accomplishment stakes!
Guess who captained that side in 2011 that smashed all and sundry that RSA had to offer them?
Guess who captained his side to second place in two consecutive years since taking over in the toughest club competition in the world?
Guess who had the best stats (with big Vic closely behind) out of any RSA forward in the S15 in 2011?
Guess who had the best stats (with big Vic closely behind) out of any RSA forward in the 2011 RWC?
That’s rhetorical!
7 Nov 2011, 08:15 am
Agree that Schalk is the only logical choice going forward. He leads by example as well.
7 Nov 2011, 08:16 am
@ufo(ufo)-6:
i’m not saying he shouldnt be a bok but i am saying i dont think he should be the ‘cornerstone’ on which to rebuild the boks.
he has a role and he has a style and he most likely will not evolve beyond that.
this is fine if he accepts it and the coach uses him for what his best at and not for roles he cannot fulfill.
this would be a mistake and the result would mean faltering at the final hurdle in all likelihood. this is his track record after all.
i hate to say this but that try cost us the match imo…and just like that all his incredible work was lost on the back of one domkop move. but no, i dont think he must not be a bok but i certainlt dont think he should be a ‘cornerstone’ bok.
7 Nov 2011, 08:18 am
@ufo(ufo)-8:
so we are agreed?
there are in fact better players available in every one of those positions.
now what?….
7 Nov 2011, 08:21 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-9:
then i wont answer it.
7 Nov 2011, 08:22 am
So the Stormers are depending on there young home grown forwards instead of buying a few heavies. Same forwards dominated last season why cant they do it again.
7 Nov 2011, 08:25 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-11: If he is not a ‘cornerstone bok’ then who is? Who will the side be built around?
7 Nov 2011, 08:27 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-11:
bud… you’re being selectively critical here… the try was a planned move with heinrich brussow actually grabbing his jersey before the move… brussow got cleaned out and could not support burger or secure the ball…
but with the game nearly done we were ahead before danie rossouw upended their lock and the penalty gave them the game…
it’s a bit rich to blame one guy for the loss when so many mistakes were made… i still haven’t blamed bryce for our loss for exactly that reason… we had our chances and did not take them and made too many mistakes as a team…
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-12:
no… we’re not agreed… i think schalk, on the form he showed in the WC, is our best 7… which is why would play juan at 8 (and the fact that juan has more experience at 8)
also i don’t understand how because of our personal perceptions and bias we rate one player above another but then have to trash the other and blame them for all the faults in the team…
more importantly bakes bud…
it’s easy to trash someone and ridicule another’s opinion that that player should be the cornerstone of the team…
but instead of just being critical… tell us who you think should be the cornerstone(s) of the team going forward… because every team does need a group of players to be the core around which the team moves forward….
name your cornerstone… or cornerstones…
7 Nov 2011, 08:28 am
Schalk played his heart out but played too much like Luke Watson in the World Cup for my liking. Our gameplan was so lacking that very often Schalk was standing at first or second receiver in the backline.
Which poses Schalk’s biggest problem? What is he? Definitely not an opensider? Does he understand the technical aspects of blindsider?
7 Nov 2011, 08:29 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-14:
i hope it wont turn out this way but i feel this will be the cross by which rassie will crucify himself next season.
7 Nov 2011, 08:33 am
Another Schalk cover?
7 Nov 2011, 08:34 am
@ufo(ufo)-16:
Do you seriously think Juan Smith can a> recover from this career ending type of injury at test level b> still have his former speed with this type of injury at test level c> has much more game-time at test level in him considering the amount of times he’s been concussed?
He’s a machine… I certainly hope so… but I have my doubt he’ll recover to play much more, if any test rugby again…
IMO (and I hope I’m incorrect) he’ll either finish off his career at the Cheetahs or head off for some much-deserve last season cash overseas.
7 Nov 2011, 08:35 am
Good morning.
If (yes it’s a big word) Juan Smit was fit for the Wc i would have played Juan and Ratel.
Schalla gives his all but is imo just a great defender – no more. Imo Ratel and Juan brings more to the table.
I must honestly say i was very very surprised when i heard Schalla is SA’s player of the year till i heard he was chosen by the supporters……
The players chose Bissie.
As a Schalla supporter i must say that he was always one to “catch the eye” on the field with his ferocious defending. To be able to defend is imo just the basics of the game… we need more.
Ok – i am running for cover!
7 Nov 2011, 08:35 am
unlike some wise guys who stated here last week that schalk stands at first receiver from “first phase”… which is rubbish…
it’s normally from second or more phase and is part of the game plan… especially when the back line has been caught in possession and are wrapped up in the maul or ruck… in that case forwards fill in the gap and most probably the forwards the team feels gives them go-forward…
this is not unique to the boks and all the other teams do it… brad thorne and kevin mealamu do it for the ABs…
but again… to blame burger for this is nott being fair… IMO…
7 Nov 2011, 08:38 am
Schalla is a legend!
Now an article on Spies please! Just how useless he is and why he should never play in the Bok jersey ever again.
7 Nov 2011, 08:38 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-15:
well it has to be juan simply for charisma.
as for a captain, perhaps we should go for a younger player, allowing him to grow in the role, and have schalk there as a deputy to back the new captain up like brad did for maccaw.
if we’re gonna use a cerebral criteria then maybe jdp or lambie for starters…(i realise now that it needs careful consideration to come up with a most suited and likely leader for the boks, and by this i mean a real thinker)
7 Nov 2011, 08:39 am
Schalk is a beast in the same way that fuckadilly is a headcase.
Absolutely a cornerstone for boks.
A cornerbok.
7 Nov 2011, 08:39 am
@Lions_Soutie(Lions_Soutie)-17: Technical Aspects of a Blindsider?
7 Nov 2011, 08:41 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-3: crazy people man, crazy people writes ccrap like this … bonehead is not good enough any more and should retire.
7 Nov 2011, 08:42 am
Who ever becomes the next bok captain should at least be picked as captain when he’s in form. I dont think there should be placed so much emphasis on the role of the captain.
There should be a group of senior players who could step up and lead the team. So if there is a better player (in form) one day, Schalk or who ever who is struggling with form should not be automatically be picked just because he’s captain…
Identify at least 4 leaders and tell them that they will be the captains for the next 4 years. Each year this group of leaders could be adapted, so that the best possible players get picked each season.
7 Nov 2011, 08:43 am
@Jeez(Jeez)-28:
Too many chiefs again and too few Indians. Make them all captains. Don’t think so mate. We have to learn from our previous mistake.
7 Nov 2011, 08:44 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-24: How much longer is Juan Smith going to play? 1 maybe 2 seasons? Andries Bekker is youngish and will be in his prime at the next world cup.
7 Nov 2011, 08:44 am
It’s easy…
choose me 1 player that we couldn’t have played without this year and make him player of the year.. imo.
7 Nov 2011, 08:44 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-9: shutup you fool. Leave us saffas to rip a new one in Burger and go and worry yourself about the moering that Deans is about to get.
7 Nov 2011, 08:46 am
Noooooooooiiiiit!
Ernstig? Het Snorre regtig gesê hy is weer beskikbaar vir die afrigtings pos?
7 Nov 2011, 08:47 am
@Staal(Staal)-21:
I thought the media chose him?
7 Nov 2011, 08:47 am
@Staal(Staal)-33:
Dom bly dom ou mater…
7 Nov 2011, 08:48 am
@ufo(ufo)-16:
jdp, juan and bakkies can and will probably all serve in some or other ‘cornerstone’ role. why start touting burger? to what end? oh of course…to the captaincy end thats it, no?
i think i’d even make jdp a captain ahead of schalk, its just that he’s been tried and tested hasn’t he?
for captaincy in this order:
juan
lambie
fdp
jdp
bakkies (just for being bakkies)
7 Nov 2011, 08:48 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-29: Exactly it wasnt such a good thing in the end when Smitty stayed captain when he should have been dropped…
7 Nov 2011, 08:48 am
Schalk for no 8 and to be the next Bok captain.
At least for the next 1 – 2 years. Its either him or Juan. There are no real other choices for Captain.
6) Ratel Brussouw
7) Juan Smith
8) Schalk
7 Nov 2011, 08:48 am
@Gunther(gunther)-34: i can be wrong – i heard that people could sms? I might be wrong!
I have been wrong before.
7 Nov 2011, 08:50 am
Hulk is a freak of nature.
A must for the team.
7 Nov 2011, 08:51 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-30:
in this regard he can serve a role similar to tana umaga. who was imo tasked to stopgap the intro of a longer term captain.
bekker also has brain implosions at crucial moments, he needs to fix this (if he can).
7 Nov 2011, 08:52 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-30: I am not so convinced about Juan Smith he is 30 now or is it 31? One more concussion and he is done for.
My choice for captain will be Schalk just for his presence within the squad and the way he plays. Fearsome. My vice captain will be someone in the backline. Jaque Fourie will be my choice as Vice Captain. He is a great communicator in the backline. After two years there can always be younger candidates possibly taking over from Schalk and Jaque.
7 Nov 2011, 08:56 am
Chill for captain. Bissie to continue his “supersub” role.
You heard it here first.
7 Nov 2011, 08:56 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-36: Lambie
After talking sense in post #5 you coke up with Lambie? He who is too slow for fullback and only the 3rd best 10 behind the super talented Elton and freakish Goosen.
7 Nov 2011, 09:00 am
schalk just not an opesider…….
klaar
7 Nov 2011, 09:01 am
@Staal(Staal)-39:
I am frequently wrong.
We’ll ask someone clever.
Like stormersboy.
7 Nov 2011, 09:02 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-43: lol
7 Nov 2011, 09:07 am
Schalk Burger is Fo kk en KONING !!! Agreed not a openside anymore with how the game changed and him as well but for me him and broussouw formed an awesome partnership. If Juan returns 100% I would consider playing Juan at 8 instead though.
7 Nov 2011, 09:07 am
@grant10(grant10)-45: Agreed. 7 or 8 but never 6. Who will your choice be for 6 at Stormers? P.Louw, Rohan Kitshoff. Wenton-Wells, Carr??
7 Nov 2011, 09:09 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-48: That could also work.
7 Nov 2011, 09:17 am
Burger is no captain and no leader and by backing the bonehead for captain you effectively make a 32 year old has-been a guranteed starter in RWC 2015.
Stuff him and do not invest in any player who will be older than 30 four years from now.
Mitch has shown the way, rugby is now only a game for players in their 20′s.
7 Nov 2011, 09:19 am
Make Bissy captain….to try and make up for the huge injustice that poor oke has been subjected to…
7 Nov 2011, 09:21 am
I have no problem with Schalk as a first choise player & possibly captain…
We need a captain that is a respected senior in the team and have leadership experience. This is non negotiable…
Unless an overall revamp is what will happen, and I cannot see the reason for this.
The biggest questions is who will be the Bok’s loose forwards going forward, first choice and backup, as I feel Spies & Kanko should not be options any more…
7 Nov 2011, 09:23 am
@grant10(grant10)-52: you should only be made captain if you are a good captain…. imo
7 Nov 2011, 09:24 am
@grant10(grant10)-52:
bismark is a captain’s armpit.
rather pipe down if you have nothing intelligent to say.
klaar
7 Nov 2011, 09:25 am
@Staal(Staal)-54:
indeed.
bring back victor.
7 Nov 2011, 09:27 am
@Rum And Maple(Rum And Maple)-53:
” I feel Spies & Kanko should not be options any more”
What took you so long
7 Nov 2011, 09:29 am
@Gunther(gunther)-55: touche’
7 Nov 2011, 09:29 am
Burger is no captain and I see some Stormers fans are punting him to be captain. You guys will never learn huh?
My captain will be Juan Smith, if he stays injury free.
7 Nov 2011, 09:32 am
@Staal(Staal)-39:
In that case Spies would d of won it…………………………. I mean Tac on his own would of sent in 10 million sms’s !!!!
7 Nov 2011, 09:33 am
@grant10(grant10)-52:
no, but his brother is more cerebral material imo.
7 Nov 2011, 09:33 am
There wont be any cornerstones until they choose their coach.
Having said that, the new coach needs to pick his long term captain. If the guy is too young then a caretaker captain can be appointed.
I see Schalk as a candidate for caretaker but would prefer if they chose their long term guy now.
Who? Not easy. The most entrenched people in the side are mostly not captain material.
There are a few longer term candidates, Josh Strauss, Patrick Lambie. I would have said Dewald Pretorius 2 years ago but that ship has sailed.
But a silly speculation for now.
Coach first, then captain.
Coach? – I have no idea who is going to win this but agree with the article in the paper that suggested they dont bother with advertising. Choose who they want, go to them and offer them the job.
7 Nov 2011, 09:33 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-49: Rohan Kitchkoff has the most potential at 6 among those players. Fenton Wellis only started impressing recently and Carr is a 8th man. Louw has been off the boil since his return from injury. Its gonna be interesting who plays in the loose trio next season I reckon we have too much 8th men and too little opensides. For me this is how it should look
8 – Duane/Carr – Somehow the kid lost the spart (Koster)
7 – Schalk/Kolisi – By now we all know Schalk is much better at blindside
6 – Kitchkoff/Carr – I think Carr might have to shift to openside as we have Duane and Koster , thats if Koster’s form gets any better. Blindside is a given.
Carr will most likely be on the bench as he is able to play 8/6 while Duane , Schalk and Kitchkoff will start.
Watch this youngster Kitchkoff , from the first time I saw him play I felt his was special , matter of fact I said the same about Kolisi and Carr but them I saw play U21 rugby while I only saw Rohan now for the first time in the CC this year.
7 Nov 2011, 09:35 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-51:
Well don eon the Currie Cup win. Well deserved.
However one Currie Cup win in a WC year does not show the way forward.
We need a balance and because we unquestionably relied too much on the old timers it does not mean we go the other way
7 Nov 2011, 09:37 am
@HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-59: Serious ? Juan is even less of a captain than Burger. Thats evens if he comes back from injury. Burger should play for the next 2 years in the role of a mentor to the new Captain , I agree he might not make it to the next WC especially the way he plays. I would not at this stage make any player the cornerstone of Bok rugby , not now not ever , we have been down that road with John Smit !
So jaa , I would def play Burger but it would be for 2 years and then re assess, we need results now but also continue to look ahead and bigger challenges.
7 Nov 2011, 09:38 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-57: I have felt this way for a very…very long time but there was no way it was going to happen in the previous “coaching” set-up…
Maatjie-maatjie… you know…
7 Nov 2011, 09:39 am
@Rum And Maple(Rum And Maple)-53: Reason for a complete revamp? Simple. There are currently better SA players in all 15 positions. Build a new team from scratch. Choose a new captain.
Fine. Use 3 or 4 of the older players to do the ‘senior player’ job for a season, then drop them… unless they’ve managed to reach another level.
@HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-59: Juan’s one of my fave players of all time, but neither he nor Burger have 4 more years in them. Their proneness to injury is a testament to that.
Even Lambie and Brussow, even if two of the better players in the World Cup squad, were never able to achieve their past form during this World Cup. Even they shouldn’t be guarenteed a position… and should proof themselves worthy for middle next year.
7 Nov 2011, 09:39 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-44:
shame…what a difference a year makes…sjoe…this time last year we all thought the heavens had opened up and an angel was among us…now he’s just another flyhalf
7 Nov 2011, 09:40 am
It seems as though, saru has given the ANC the finger, PdV is gone, not that the party cared much for him personally, the whites are back in, merit is now the buzz word in the halls of saru, looks like Meyer or Rassie for south African rugby director, and a possibly a foreigner as head coach. This could be telling.
7 Nov 2011, 09:40 am
Burger is not a captain.
He doesn’t have the required aura.
We should appoint a captain for each year’s campaign and not lock ourselves into a captain that might not retain form over 4 years.
Then we can give guys like Jannie (under rated as a leader, I believe) and even Bekker (unknown entity, but could grow into a great leader ala Greame Smith) and Juan (probably the most deserving, but doesn’t inspire any thoughts of grandeur).
Also, use the vice captaincy spot to give some responsibility to the likes of Juan de Jongh, Francois Steyn and even Habana if he ever finds form again…
7 Nov 2011, 09:41 am
@grant10(grant10)-52: Captaincy for sentiment’s sake?
Ahem……..
7 Nov 2011, 09:41 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-65: Vic and Bakkies once said that the person they respect the most that Bok team is Juan Smith. Also you need to look at the Cheetahs when Juan is on the field and when he is not.
Juan vs Schalk?
No contest imo.
7 Nov 2011, 09:41 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-61:
why?
because he knows his way around a punda?
in which case we should make everyone here bok captain.
except for grantie and just badminton.
7 Nov 2011, 09:44 am
Coach and captain should be appointed for 1 year over the next 2 years. Thereafter, to create some continuity, appoint coach for 2 years to take us to RWC 2015.
That will solve our dependence on RWC as the ONLY guage of performance.
Also, it will bring a bit of urgency to our game and make sure that we field the strongest team at all times.
Captain and coach should never again be so powerful that they hold the game to ransom.
7 Nov 2011, 09:44 am
@HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-72: Not disputing his value or the respect he commands from his players , fact is I rate him high but like Burger I don’t feel they are necessarily natural Captains.
As for Schalk vs Juan , difficult one but Schalk comes out on top 9/10 times imo , guess its something we will have to agree to disagree lol.
7 Nov 2011, 09:45 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-69: @Helen(Helen)-70: how many times did you vote on the poll to retain Divvy as the Bok coach?
7 Nov 2011, 09:45 am
@HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-72:
Agree. But Juan does not inspire any confidence. Shoot me for saying this, but he doesn’t have any “aura”. Also, agree that he won’t last 4 years
7 Nov 2011, 09:46 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-75: I wont even have Burger as WP/Stormers Captain. I would have made Koster Captain but now I am not sure anymore , Kolisi is def a future Captain though.
7 Nov 2011, 09:46 am
@Bouts(Bouts)-67: I am all for a complete revamp, but I doubt it will happen…
So much depends on the new coach and provincial bias…
7 Nov 2011, 09:46 am
You’re all making a classic mistake of thinking who would be a good captain based on rugby reasons. Captain will be Chilliboy or Habana.
7 Nov 2011, 09:47 am
@Bouts(Bouts)-67: No one really stand out when you think of a new captain. If Juan has 2 years in him, make him captain. Then nominate a few candidates to learn from the man. When you look at our Provinces and look at their captains then we are not left with man options. How many captains did the Boks have who was not captain at their Province?
WP – Burger/Bekker
BB – Gary Botha – gone
Lions – Strauss
Cheetahs – Strauss/Smith
Sharks – Daniels.
7 Nov 2011, 09:48 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-76:
Not even once. What;s your point?
I wouldn’t have replaced him a year from world cup. It wouyld’ve been too disruptive.
I would never have appointed him in the first place. I was back then a Rassie fan.
7 Nov 2011, 09:48 am
The captaincy is not a “tenure” position.
Lets play through the Super Competition.
Then lets see who is still available (uninjured) and then pick the balance on form.
Out of that 15, pick the captain for the Tri Nations.
That’s as long term as I would get as far as “picking a captain” is concerned.
7 Nov 2011, 09:50 am
No love for Chilliboy?
7 Nov 2011, 09:50 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-57:
7 Nov 2011, 09:50 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-80: Chili is ten times the captain Burger will ever be … also he unlike bonehead does not have a criminal record for face mugging.
7 Nov 2011, 09:52 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-80:
I like Juan de Jongh to take a more senior role.
Maybe groom him by giving him the vice captaincy in the first year and see how he does.
Chilli would be great choice and an inspired one at that.
It would mean however, that we recycle Bissy as a blind side flanker. I still think that is his best position.
Bissy’s claim to fame is his 1) stealing 2) running and 3) defence….. all of which will become better utilised if he packs down on the side of the scrum. We’re losing half of his effectiveness by keeing him at hooker. Let’s also be honest, he’s not known for his excellence at hooker, but instead for his excellence as per above
7 Nov 2011, 09:52 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-83: I agree let’s go that route.
7 Nov 2011, 09:54 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-83:
you can’t stumble through a 4 year cycle picking your captain series by series though.
surely then you are saying a caprain isn’t that important?
7 Nov 2011, 09:58 am
Honk Kong Slong has me thinking of the ideal 15 for RWC 2015 if we retread Bissy as an opensider….
15 – Lambie
14 – JPP
11 – Mvovo / Aplon
13 – J de Jongh (v capt.)
12 – F Steyn
10 – M Steyn / E Jantjies
9 – Hougaard / McCloud
8 – Alberts / Spies
7 – Bissy
6 – Burger / Brussouw
5 – Bekker
4 – Mostert / vd Merwe
3 – Jannie
2 – Chilli (capt) / Strauss
1 – Beast / Guthro
7 Nov 2011, 10:00 am
@Helen(Helen)-90: choosing players “out” of position?
in that case – Bekker as centre ….
7 Nov 2011, 10:00 am
@Gunther(gunther)-89:
Pick your captain at the beginning of each year with the stated principle of picking a new captain each year
7 Nov 2011, 10:00 am
Unfortunately Chilli would have been the best choice as captain. He’s young and could make it for the next 4 years, but with Bissie theirs no doubt that he should not be considered. We dont want another Smit vs Bismark fiasco. Bring back Gary Teichman from retirement….
Or what about a guy like gerhard mostert ???That is if you want to pick a young captain from the start and just have the remaining senior players as supportive mentors etc. He reminds me of Josh Strauss… and he’s a pretty inspiring captain… Besides who will be Bekker’s fulltime lock partner…???
7 Nov 2011, 10:01 am
RL: there’s no doubt PdV was doomed from the start, he was hoodwinked by keo and John smit firstly, lost his right to coach the team, had no support from the bok fans, he screwed at every turn. His cowardice did not help matters either, he never imposed his voice and he didn’t have the onions to mould his team. The saddest part is that he’ll end up as a club rugby coach and probably never advance from there.
7 Nov 2011, 10:01 am
@Staal(Staal)-91:
I think Bissy is playing out of position at the moment.
He’d be a better blind sider than he is hooker….. especially if we give him one season to establish himself in both S15 and international.
7 Nov 2011, 10:01 am
you only got some serious dumb fcks in here
First they tout The self centered f’ng hopeless self seeking vainglory chasing useless self serving cn’t glory boy John Smit as the f’ng useless punkass captain we CANNOT do WITHOUT.. Till we LOSE EVERY g’dam game under his captaincy, including the WC where had he NOT played we likely would have WON
THEN they tout The next best losing dunce who does NOT KNOW how to win a tough test in HOW many attempts at trying, not to mention the FACT that it was BURGER who actually LOST us the game in the 1/4 final at the WC… Spilling the ball on the deck in FRONT of our posts for Aussie to scoop it up for a gimme thank you very much try
It was also Burger who has ZERO effect EVERY single time he carries the ball like the ineffective blunt useless battering ram at the gain line that he is going to ground too often and LOSING possession!!
Burger is NOT a captains backside as proved through 2 years of LOSSES at the big stumbling blocks.
He is also NOT the best blindside nor the best open side nor the best No.8 we have
So WTF IS HE good for WHAT EXACTLY?? LEADERSHIP?? Go and suck another farking red herring out the oven!!
Here we go for MORE of the f’ng SAME loss over f’ng loss ad infinitum continued!!
Till SA rugby can RECOGNIZE what real leadership comprises or what real constructive rugby strategy entails, they will CONTINUE to Lose and get fckd over by their OWN dumb fck blind delusional hero worshiping dumb fck deluded blindness!! Forever and a day:
7 Nov 2011, 10:02 am
@Biscuit(Biscuit)-62:
thats a sensible post but i would choose juan ahead of schalk as caretaker.
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-71:
@Gunther(gunther)-73:
no man, its the look on his face before and after a scrum. it just screams “i’m really about this” to me.
grantie couldn’t find a ‘punda’ in a ruck if it eye-gouged him and then told him to put on a tutu hehehe
7 Nov 2011, 10:03 am
@Helen(Helen)-95: you sure you gave that a lot of thought?
he will be he slowest loosie on the planet!
7 Nov 2011, 10:03 am
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7 Nov 2011, 10:04 am
@Helen(Helen)-90: All credibility lost with Burger @ 6 & Spies in there…
7 Nov 2011, 10:05 am
@Jeez(Jeez)-93:
Not sure of Mostert will deserve a starting position. vd Merwe will give him a serious run in the S15, just watch, Franco is built like Vic, fast like Albert vd Berg and aggressive like bakkies….. and young enough too, I think?
Chilli will be a great captain once Bissy is picked at his best position, blind side flank. Will involve him to a greater extent in aspects of the game where he excells, defense, stealing, running… For pure hooker responsibilities, I think Chilli is probably a better hooker anyway
7 Nov 2011, 10:05 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-96: well said, agree 113%
7 Nov 2011, 10:06 am
@Helen(Helen)-95J’sus you are ONE f’ng MORON supreme
Wanting to play Bismark at BLIND SIDE
Are you f’ng NUTS or What!!
7 Nov 2011, 10:06 am
@HHS(Hop Hop Spinnekop)-81: BB= Chilliboy. Future Bok Captain.
Sucks to be Bismark.
7 Nov 2011, 10:08 am
@Helen(Helen)-92:
no, better yet pick him at the beginning of the year and let him retain it going into the next year on the back of personal form and games won. when those go then replace him with the same expectation on the new one.
7 Nov 2011, 10:08 am
* there’s. Jean De Vill could also be a par time captain…
7 Nov 2011, 10:09 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-103:
honestly skop, whats so nuts about that?
please…set me straight….
7 Nov 2011, 10:11 am
@Jeez(Jeez)-106: who will suplly his “walker”?
7 Nov 2011, 10:12 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-104:
Yeah but like you said. Once a good benchwarmer always one!
He is a great impact player and I also say bring in Chiliboy as captain. Sucks to be a hooker in SA, unless you standing on the corner…
7 Nov 2011, 10:12 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-96: yadda yadda yadda , hou jou bek ! lol
7 Nov 2011, 10:12 am
@Gunther(gunther)-89: No but i do think that picking a captain now with no idea of form or injury before the Tri Nations and inbound tests is premature.
We do know who the likely candidates are at this stage, players like Schalk, Juan, Chilli (who had a very good year last year as a player), JDV, Andries. (did i leave anyone out?)
Not sure how many of those will make it through the Super Comp, as many of them are often injured.
I wouldn’t pick another guy like we did for John, as none of them have Barney’s extra 10% when it comes to leadership.
7 Nov 2011, 10:13 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-97:
“i’m really about this” = “i’m really thinking about this”
7 Nov 2011, 10:13 am
Can’t wait to see Taute at 15 and Jantjes at 10 for the Bokke next year. Out with the old and in with the new.
7 Nov 2011, 10:13 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-111:
Choose your best 15 and then your captain. Finish and klaar.
7 Nov 2011, 10:14 am
@Helen(Helen)-101: Helloooooo Dahlink!
7 Nov 2011, 10:14 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-103: Some more yadda yadaa !! Hey I recognize you now , you the guy in the dail direct add going yada yada yada ! Speak to the hand lol
7 Nov 2011, 10:16 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-109: Yeah we are going to catch some flack for this one!
You well?
7 Nov 2011, 10:17 am
@Staal(Staal)-108: Kitch Christi. RIP.
Jannie not a bad idea… Burger for a year or two. Then the next up and coming giant in bok rugby with half a brain…a lot can happen in 2 years…
7 Nov 2011, 10:17 am
@Bouts(Bouts)-67:
Someone with a bit of common sense
Fck Burger he done SQUAT towards captaincy credibility or credential
Start Fresh – new captaincy new coach new team
Start OVER from SCRATCH
Arno Botha or Chiliboy or Koster or Josh Strauss or anyone for captaincy but NOT BURGER
And only if the player can command a run on position in a SPECIFIC position for the next 4 years then and only then make him long term captain.
7 Nov 2011, 10:19 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-117:
Yeah I am too. Just bored on Saturdays.
Watching the bowls and jukskei is just not the same.
7 Nov 2011, 10:21 am
Skulkanator the foundation, never mind the cornerstone, let her rip haters
7 Nov 2011, 10:21 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-119:
“And only if the player can command a run on position in a SPECIFIC position for the next 4 years then and only then make him long term captain.”
Name just one player who you think is calibre of the above ?
7 Nov 2011, 10:21 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-120: Yes, and even watching the Cape Cobras thrash the Highveld Lions yesterday wasn’t the same…..
Although it was fun, untill about half way through the Lions’ innings, when it all became a bit academic.
7 Nov 2011, 10:22 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-119: Great Idea, pick 4 guys who haven’t and don’t deserve to make the team, to be captain. You are doing a reverse Smit.
7 Nov 2011, 10:23 am
hey Sparticus you dumb fck cn’t, who the fck are you you miserable pathetic dumb fck ignoramus moron? Wtf IS your dumb deluded fckdup claim to fame? Punkass arsehole deluxe!!
7 Nov 2011, 10:24 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-119:
I agree with the start from scratch thing, but Id rather make the next bok cap the vise captain for a year or two. Give the pressure job to one of the old guys who will probably retire in a year or two. Young guys who still need to fight for their place in the starting 15 dont need that extra pressure…
Burger/Juan/J DV for maximum a year or two. BUT whoever takes over should not get the impression that he will be the permanent cap. After Burger/Juan/J DV gives the captaincy to someone else it wont be such a big deal when a captain stays captain for only a year or two…
7 Nov 2011, 10:24 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-109:
….in which case, it also SUCKS apparently
7 Nov 2011, 10:25 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-123:
Yeah of Levi and Puttick blasted their way around the Bullring. Yeah I hate seeing teams being hammered like that – not. Was really boring second half I have to admit.
7 Nov 2011, 10:25 am
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-121: be honest. It’s that whole “blond, Scandinavian” thing, right??
7 Nov 2011, 10:26 am
@Helen(Helen)-127:
Who is it who sucks! Should’nt it read she?
7 Nov 2011, 10:27 am
@Helen(Helen)-127: “Apparently”.
7 Nov 2011, 10:27 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-119:
Now, with that comment you show just what a dumb idiot you are.
Leave rugby for the boys (and girls with balls) and rather go to the jukskei blog.
You show obvious intellectual deficiencies by wanting to throw the baby out with the bath water, wtf? Not everything about the past 4 years was bad. We had some good moments and some great players. You thinking with you annuss again?
7 Nov 2011, 10:27 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-124: Arno Botha, Josh Strauss, Coetzee and Elstad will all moer Burger, all of them better players at blindside and all if them can be better captains then the bonehead.
7 Nov 2011, 10:29 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-125:
go away and tidy yourself up a bit.
you have fuckadilly all over your chin.
7 Nov 2011, 10:30 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-71: not at all
captaincy from a player that leads from the front
far more appropriate than that slap snoek you boys backed to the hilt…..with disastrous consequences…..as I told you would be the case!
7 Nov 2011, 10:30 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-125:
Waiting for you to answer Sparticus’ question…. or is it too much to ask for you to back up your wildly idiotic claims?
Have the courage of your convictions to at least enegage with intelligence, instead of just side swiping everything that comes back at you with a insult ridden tirade that shows your serious lack of vocab and style
7 Nov 2011, 10:32 am
Say no to shampoo.
Insist on REAL poo.
7 Nov 2011, 10:32 am
Whoever is captain will depend on whoever takes over as coach.
7 Nov 2011, 10:34 am
Unfortunately, I can’t see anyone of the current side with captaincy ability, who’ll last the next 4 years. Also, we need to start identifying future replacements now. Personally, if fit, I’d go for Juan for the next 2 years and groom Josh and a couple of others as potential future captains.
7 Nov 2011, 10:34 am
@grant10(grant10)-135: He’s got no experience on a captaincy level and a history of discipline infringements.
Captain fail.
7 Nov 2011, 10:34 am
there are plenty blind siders better than Burger
Marcel Coetsee, Josh Strauss, Willem Alberts, Reinhardt Elstadt, Kolisi. I pick one of them before I pick Burger at 7
Same with 8, Vermeulen, Alberts, Strauss, Botha, Koster, Raubenheimer, Johnson
At 6 we running thin
Brussow, Minnie, Steggman, Daniel, Carr, but all better than Burger
So where does Burger command a start for the next 4 years
If I must kick a caretaker captain it would be JdV, in fact my hierarchy of captaincy the past 2 years just gone would have been
1 Juan Smith
2 JdV
3 Matfield
4 Smit
5 Louw
7 Nov 2011, 10:36 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-140:
not a team player.
epic fail.
7 Nov 2011, 10:36 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-138: Absolutely.
With AC there it’s a toss up between Schalk, JDV and Andries.
Chilli a wild card.
7 Nov 2011, 10:37 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-141:
Again, you not liking Burger doesn’t make him a bad player. The names you put ahead of him are laughable.
Burger a freakin legend.
7 Nov 2011, 10:37 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-138:
Agree.
There is a process here.
Pick your coach
Decide on playing style required.
Pick players who will execute this style
Among these layers, consider the leaders among the team.
Among these leaders, ick a captain that will 1- Will be sure of his place 2 – Garner the resect of his players and 3 – be around for years.
Knowing what you have to work with, decide on assistant coaches
7 Nov 2011, 10:37 am
hehehe…
gonna be interesting to see what happens IF burger is made captain by whoever the coach is…
what are all these haters gonna do…? supports the ABs…? watch jukskei…? play tiddlywinks…?
or spend every minute of every day pouring out their hatred and telling everyone on keo how much they hate burger and how useless he is and how he shouldn’t be the captain of even in the team… etc etc yada yada blah blah…
gonna be fun for you children to be bok supporters…! much gnashing of teeth and ripping of sackcloth…
i look forward to witnessing your frustrations over the next few years… it’s a whole new sport all of it’s own…
7 Nov 2011, 10:38 am
@Gunther(gunther)-142: Agreed!
7 Nov 2011, 10:39 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-143:
Think you’ll see Juan Smith being handed the captaincy.
(Jake White &) AC have huge respect for him.
I’d agree that Juan Smith is the best option – he’ll come back fit and playing well, just needs to not pick-up another serious injury.
With second-choice being Schalk Burger.
7 Nov 2011, 10:40 am
Which foreign coaches are available? Henry is signing with nzru, Wayne smith is with the chiefs, deans extended contract with aru, mckenzie is still with the reds, Eddie jones will probably be with Japan, both McQueen and Dwyer are retired. Pickings are looking slim.
7 Nov 2011, 10:41 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-138:
Yep and what his philosophy is on captaincy. Should it be revised every year etc. etc. Youth vs experience etc. etc.
7 Nov 2011, 10:41 am
129@stormersboy…but of course
has nothing 2 do with the way he plays, his enthusiasm and being respected as a player and nice guy.
7 Nov 2011, 10:41 am
Why does the captain have to be around for the next 4 years?
What happened to focusing on winning the next game?
Select the player who best suits the role from the current squad, that year!
In 2012, it’s Juan Smith… or Schalk Burger.
In 2013 we can see if they’re still up for it, and if not, look elsewhere.
7 Nov 2011, 10:42 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-141:
JdV???????????????????? Are you serious??
Must be either a 1- Joke or a 2- new way for you to show us that you are out of your deppth here.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say it was a joke. Not a funny one, but at least you’re trying.
7 Nov 2011, 10:44 am
35 of you believe Divvy should aply for the bok job.
We are going to track you down and slash your tires.
7 Nov 2011, 10:44 am
@ufo(ufo)-146:
supporting namibia.
watching miss world and athletics on SABC 3…..
7 Nov 2011, 10:45 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-152:
I think we should avoid icking a captain that will not last 4 years, even if he is only captain for the first year.
The last thing we want is to give power to a player that will have to be dropped 2 years down the line.
7 Nov 2011, 10:46 am
can’t pick burger because in your opinion he doesn’t command a starting place…
but punt JdV who doesn’t either…?
hypocrisy anyone…?
i don’t mind who the next coach or captain is… as long as both are judged by the same criteria used to judge every other candidate for the positions…
7 Nov 2011, 10:46 am
@Helen(Helen)-153:
But he’s such a respected player. Punched his captain in the face.
This after he threatened to press charges against Rua Tipoki for punching him in a game.
Much as I like JdV as a player, what he’s been portrayed as is a joker. Can’t take much seriously, and obviously doesn’t have much between the ears.
7 Nov 2011, 10:46 am
Proven has-beens, chokers, old timers, schmucks and fat boys who should never ever wear the Bok jersey again.
From the WP
Burger
Habana
Aplon
JDV
From the Bulls
Steyn
FdP
Spies
Bakkies
Potties
Greyling
Kruger
Aikona
vd Merwe
Stegmann
Kirchner
Basson
The Guppies
Odwa
JPP
Kankowski
Daniel
McCleod
Hargreaves
Bosman
Joubert
7 Nov 2011, 10:47 am
What do you get when you combine Grant and Poop?
fARK ……. SORRY CAPS
4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!!
7 Nov 2011, 10:47 am
@Helen(Helen)-156:
What we need is to stop focusing on the World Cup until it’s actually time for the World Cup.
Forget about building a squad for 4 years from now.
Build a squad that can try win each time the Boks get together.
7 Nov 2011, 10:47 am
@Gunther(gunther)-155:
hehehe…
and reruns of the jerry springer show…!!
7 Nov 2011, 10:48 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-133: I would never go for Burger as captain, he’s cocked up often enough at the Stormers and has never really grown into the job as on field leader. He was the boks best player at the world cup by some distance, out performing a lot of good players on the biggest of stages and you want to drop him in favour of a couple of Currie cup boys? Seriously no! The buzz around the guys mentioned will die down very quickly when they play Super 15.
7 Nov 2011, 10:49 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-161:
amen brother…
praise the rugby gods…!!
7 Nov 2011, 10:49 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-159:
Man you talk s**t.
Win one watered-down Currie Cup with home-ground advantage being secured when sides are full-strength, and all of a sudden everyone else is useless.
7 Nov 2011, 10:50 am
Head Coach: Nick Mallet
Forwards Coach: Matt Proudfoot
Backs Coach: Paul Treu
Technical Analyst: Brendan Venter
Defense Coach: Jacque Nienaber
Kicking Coach: Percy Montgomery
Visual/Skills Coach: Cheryl Calder
15.) Jaco Taute
14.) JP Pietersen
13.) Jacque Fourie
12.) Frans Steyn
11.) Lwazi Movovo
10.) Pat Lambie
9.) Francois Hougaard
8.) Schalk Burger
7.) Juan Smit (c)
6.) Heinrich Brussouw
5.) Andries Bekker
4.) Flip van der Merwe
3.) Jannie du Plessis
2.) Bismarck du Plessis
1.) Beast Mtwaria
16.) Chilliboy Rallepelle
17.) CJ van der Linde
18.) Gerhard Mostert
19.) Willem Alberts
20.) Jano Vermaak
21.) Elton Jantjies
22.) Juan de Jongh
I have a feeling we’ll be back next year.
7 Nov 2011, 10:50 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-161:
Agree, but you can not get away from the fact that rugby has transformed itself into a game with a 4 year cycle.
Coaches, captains and players make decisions based on this fact.
Let’s not have any dead wood around by 2013 and make sure our senior players and leaders are all able to finish this cycle.
7 Nov 2011, 10:51 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-163:
You ask any Stormers player the secret behind their win against the Blues in Auckland.
They’ll reply that Schalk took charge of that locker room at half-time. Gave one of the greatest motivational speeches you could ask for.
Then came out and scored the match-winning try.
For me it’s Juan, but Schalk would do a good job if asked.
7 Nov 2011, 10:53 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-165: shutup you wannabee kiwi. I watched those players in action every week and I can assure you they are all kak … there are better players to replace every last has-been.
You would know that too if you actually watched SA rugby teams.
7 Nov 2011, 10:53 am
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-166:
I (somewhat) agree with your choices, but you seem to be forgetting that having 3 non-white starters does not relate to progression. I think a min of 4 players of colour will be the new “unwritten” rule for the next 4 years, especially since we’ll probably have a white coach again and the pressure will return at some point….
7 Nov 2011, 10:53 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-159: Its amazing what a trophy can do to some peoples sanity! Think you’ll be able to finish higher then the Rebels on the overall super 15 log this year?
7 Nov 2011, 10:54 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-149:
we dont need foreigners.
heyneke meyer will lead us to glory.
something in my heart tells me this will happen.
7 Nov 2011, 10:55 am
Why on earth would some call 4 Bissie as captain
What has he done 2 show that he can lead on the field, maybe it was that petulant temper tantrum when he was replaced that every one saw on tv, Bissie must just play rugby.
7 Nov 2011, 10:55 am
@Jeez(Jeez)-150:
You usually find a coach picks his captain with long term goals in mind. Captain is the coach’s extension on the field – their relationship is crucial.
@Helen(Helen)-145:
Yup, pretty much how I have it too.
7 Nov 2011, 10:56 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-168:
One speech doth not maketh a captain.
If that were the case, I am sure Rory Kockott, Gary Botha and Stefan Terblache should stand a chance
7 Nov 2011, 10:56 am
@Helen(Helen)-170:
There will be no such expectations.
SARU seems to have adopted the approach of the best playing for the Springboks, and finally trying to sort out transformation at lower levels first.
7 Nov 2011, 10:56 am
Well at least we now know PDV won’t be coach as SA Rugby confirmed as much.
7 Nov 2011, 10:57 am
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-166: 14, 8 and 4 are no good.
7 Nov 2011, 10:58 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-169:
Oh dear. Not even going to bother with you.
Pretty much the entire Bulls team that still made those Lions look silly in the Super 15 are all k@k. Hmmm.
Oh well. All we need is for the Super 15 to start. That will shut you up.
7 Nov 2011, 10:58 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-169:
You left out Butch for some reason. Other than him, your Lions cupboard is rather bare of Boks.
7 Nov 2011, 10:58 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-177:
good news…
7 Nov 2011, 10:59 am
@Helen(Helen)-175:
Hardly my point.
Schalk is a respected player. He leads by example.
All this talk about his decision making on the field not being good is complete rubbish.
7 Nov 2011, 10:59 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-177: It’s a start…..:)
7 Nov 2011, 10:59 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-168: I have now doubts that he’s a pretty inspirational person, but as a shrewd tactical decision maker, no. Also his handling of referees is appalling.
7 Nov 2011, 10:59 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-171: you know I will have no problem choking you with your own slong … give me a reason why any of those has-beens deserve to play test rugby.
7 Nov 2011, 11:00 am
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-151: Sure…. That too
7 Nov 2011, 11:01 am
Now that Divvy is out of the running, it might open the door for Jerome Paarwater?
I hear he’s itching to get back at the highest level
7 Nov 2011, 11:01 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-177:
I had to laugh.
They wasted no time in nipping him in the bud.
Knertzies all round.
7 Nov 2011, 11:02 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-185:
Choking on your own shlong??
surely that’s illegal in HK?
7 Nov 2011, 11:03 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-168: hmmmm,
should have made that speech more in the semi’s and finals when his team really needed his “so- called” leadership……
instead he lost his head… imo..
pity. Good guy and hard as nails.
but not a captain. Imo.
7 Nov 2011, 11:03 am
@David(David)-180: I left out the Lions and FS Boks for surev … just got tired typing all those names.
7 Nov 2011, 11:03 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-185: They don’t but they are the only team capable of denying you the woodenspoon, the trophy you’re more accustomed to winning!
7 Nov 2011, 11:04 am
Just getting this out there…
Brussow
7 Nov 2011, 11:07 am
@RedMan(RedMan)-193:
Glad we got that out there…
Sadly, I only have 4 words for you.
No Ways!
7 Nov 2011, 11:09 am
Grant10 punting the Bismark.
Laughable
Hotheads the both of them
7 Nov 2011, 11:09 am
@Staal(Staal)-190:
I’d agree he shouldn’t be first-choice captain, but he’d be a heck of a lot better then some of the names being thrown around.
If anything I think Schalk functions better without the captaincy. Let him focus on doing what he does, which is getting around the field making lots of tackles and holding the ball up in contact.
Just infuriates me reading things about him being over the hill and so forth. What complete rubbish.
7 Nov 2011, 11:10 am
@Helen(Helen)-189: I think purr my kitties is confusing Bangkok with Hong Kong! However, anything goes in a lot of Asia.
7 Nov 2011, 11:11 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-185:
are you choking him cos its long enough to wrap around or are you going to rip it off and shove it down his throat?
:lol
:@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-184:
hear, hear…
7 Nov 2011, 11:11 am
Then I have to hear that the Stormers are s**t because they couldn’t win come the Super Rugby play-offs.
Bulls & Lions couldn’t even make it!
Lions would’ve finished dead last again were it not for the new team, the Rebels. Yet here we have @Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-178: running his mouth. What a farkwit.
7 Nov 2011, 11:11 am
Schalk Burger is a useless captain who has only returned LOSSES.. Same as that pathetic self centered schmuckarse palooka Smit who you all were baying and hailing as your f’ng defunct savior who when push came to shove could do absolutely fckall about returning ANOTHER dismal LOSS.. As he has continually done the past 2 whole years .. Smit fckdup the Boks without ANY shadow of any doubt and you imbeciles hail him for that fckup same as you hail Burger as the useless palooka losing captain he is..
JDV unlike what this moronic madame bullshit artist here thinks is light years ahead of Burger in the captaincy credibility dept by some huge distance and has PROVED as much
There will be new potential captains showing up hands in the new seasons coming. Burger don’t even make my team at 6 or 7 or 8 so how anyone wanna select him as captain for next two or more years ONLY shows what LACK of rugby relevant brains they have occupying their defunct deluded skulls.!
7 Nov 2011, 11:11 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-196: Absolutely spot on….
7 Nov 2011, 11:13 am
burger as captain would be a poke in the eye for rugby
7 Nov 2011, 11:13 am
@Helen(Helen)-187:
when was jerome pisswater anything at the highest level?
apart from the fatcake eatathon at the Maynardville Community Chest Carnival?
7 Nov 2011, 11:16 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-177:
@Gunther(gunther)-188:
pray tell…this sounds like a cracker…
7 Nov 2011, 11:18 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-202:
dont be a fool poppa…it would be good for you lot…you should cheer it on…
7 Nov 2011, 11:19 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-200:
The 2 captains to take their teams to the S15 play-offs are both useless hey.
Funny that you’re the only one saying this rubbish.
Maybe you should be put in charge. You can even educate the players who would obviously have some input into who would initially be selected as their captains.
If I ever come across Allister Coetzee, I’ll let him know that you’re much more informed.
7 Nov 2011, 11:20 am
@ufo(ufo)-162
Hey UFO I’m standing just a stones throw away from your office right now, how about I come over there to discuss the merits / demerits of who is / was the better captain between JdV or Burger or your defunct self centered arsehole LOSER john Smit..what say huh?? And hopefully that pathetic little poodlefck arsecreep of yours Gunthergwat can be present too.
7 Nov 2011, 11:20 am
Poop69 is like skidmarks on a bed sheet.
embarrassing, smelly and just a little disconcerting
7 Nov 2011, 11:21 am
It pains me to think that we have probably not yet learned 100% from the last 4 years.
While I have also been guilty of probably letting sentimentalism guide me (my beliefs in John Smit), i am happy to acknowledge that many many mistakes were made. Now we have to learn from them:
1) The best players must play in their best positions, end of story. We must never weaken a position to supposedly strengthen another. IE, we must not move a blindside to openside, a fb to fh etc etc.
2) We need a specialist open side flanker who plays to the ball (fetcher). Brussouw is the best in the country for that.
3) We need a flyhalf who is prepared to take the ball flat and get our centres on the front foot. We can no longer ever have a fly half who is scared of getting his backs running at the advangate line.
4) We do need to pick a Captain who will dominate his position for the next 4 year
7 Nov 2011, 11:23 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-207:
Carefull now, sonny.
No-one insults Gunth and gets away with it forever.
It might not happen today, it might not even happen this decade or even in this life, but Karma will find you and sort you out….
7 Nov 2011, 11:25 am
BULLET – Agree. That is exactly what White did. PDV almost got it right, but failed with his selections!!!
It is such a shame the Boks messed up this RWC we had our best chance ever of winning back to back RWCs!! Loyalty to Smit, FDP, Spies destroyed our chances. All PDV had to do was start with his super subs and have Smit,FDP,SPies on the bench!!. Also losing F Steyn was to the Boks a bigger loss than Carter was to the ABs. F Steyn would have slotted those 2 long range penalties, plus he got the Bok backline running by himself!!!
7 Nov 2011, 11:25 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-207:
shut up you smelly old raccoon.
anyway UFO’s office has a strict no vagrants policy.
7 Nov 2011, 11:28 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-207:
hehehe…
you standing at the traffic lights again with your cardboard…?
you say burger shouldn’t be considered because in your opinion he doesn’t get a starting birth… you say he is neither the best 6, 7 or 8…
so tell us which position is JdV the best…? 12…? No Frans is… 11 or 14… No we have better wings than JdV… Hooker…? no we have better hookers than JdV…
So how can you choose a player to be captain who is not assured of a start in the boks… but you say you can’t have burger as a captain because in your opinion he is not assured of a start…?
you can’t have it both ways bud… or maybe YOU can…
logic, rationality and reason have never been high on your list of priorities…
7 Nov 2011, 11:28 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-211: agree on Steyn, not so much with your focus on the forwards. The SA pack annihilated the Aussie pack for 80 minutes, the backs couldn’t capitalise.
7 Nov 2011, 11:28 am
@Gunther(gunther)-212:
quite right…!
7 Nov 2011, 11:29 am
LOL
Another throw down.
Where is Great White Shark?
I want in when the fists start flying
7 Nov 2011, 11:29 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-206:
Ja you tell him because ever since he and Rassie made Burger chief cook and bottle wash operative Both Stormers and Boks have flattered to deceive.
Between Burger and Smit and FdP is exactly where or WC aspirations fell flat on their arses
Burger carrying the ball forever into no man’s land gaining absolutely fckall and he being the ONE that lost it on our try line to gift Aussie with the ONLY try against run of play.
Smit keeping Bismark out the starting team fckd the Boks up EVERY game in past 2 years or you STILL as dumb fck deluded fckd in the head as most your Smitty arsecreeps idiots here!!
7 Nov 2011, 11:32 am
@Gunther(gunther)-203:
what is it with you and bloggers wanting to meet you outside shopping malls and office blocks? hehe
7 Nov 2011, 11:32 am
We cannot afford any prima donnas in the new Bok set up. Watch out Frans Steyn and Bismark. There is no place for showcasing and long lips. Add Pienaar to that list.
7 Nov 2011, 11:32 am
@ufo(ufo)-215:
you might want to tighten up security just in case.
the last thing you want is to go to the men’s room and find fuckadilly taking a portuguese shower.
7 Nov 2011, 11:34 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-217:
So, now you’re changing your tune.
Only a week ago, you were spewing drivel of a different colour by saying that Burger Sies and Alberts are our best loosie combination.
7 Nov 2011, 11:34 am
@jondood(jondood)-216:
he brings out the best in some okes
7 Nov 2011, 11:35 am
@Gunther(gunther)-220:
hehehe…
yeah… gonna have to speak to our security company to step up their patrols…
7 Nov 2011, 11:36 am
here it comes…
7 Nov 2011, 11:36 am
very embraboer behaviour by Kiwiland’s highest paid sportsman.
The row over racism switched from China to Australia on Sunday as the sport’s administrators sought to draw a line under the “entirely unacceptable” remarks about Tiger Woods that were made by Steve Williams. The caddie flew to Sydney, where he may well come face to face this week with his former employer and one-time friend
7 Nov 2011, 11:38 am
Hearing good things from SARU – talking about grasping the moment and being bold and stuff.
7 Nov 2011, 11:38 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-218:
Shampoo walks around the office parks selling belts, loose cigarettes and pre-made packets of fruit.
7 Nov 2011, 11:40 am
@Gunther(gunther)-220:
Gunth, what is a portuguese shower?
7 Nov 2011, 11:41 am
Schalk …………………………………………………………………….he runs around like a headless chicken banging into people.
7 Nov 2011, 11:42 am
@Helen(Helen)-228:
washing yourself in a basin.
aka the Lebanese jacuzzi.
7 Nov 2011, 11:43 am
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-229:
nice nic! 
7 Nov 2011, 11:43 am
@Gunther(gunther)-230:
7 Nov 2011, 11:45 am
@Gunther(gunther)-225:
Stevie called Tiger, a “Black ar*ehole”.
Racist or Fact.
Perhaps the former Mrs Woods should decide.
I’m going for fact myself.
7 Nov 2011, 11:45 am
@ufo(ufo)-213:
Nope I’m working on a site just across the road far easier I come sort you straight there than via this fckup medium across cyberspace or I guess you just one these big talking bullshit artists like this cn’t Gunthergwat up your arsehole or this madame moron Helen who thinks she/he knows much of rugby
When Stormers WP gave Burger the captaincy is when they lost both the S14 IN 2010 AND S15 2011. OR CC both times we lost under his dumb fck derailed decision making and vokmavoort mayhem into nowhere.! JdV did FAR FAR better till they took it away from him to give to Burger. We only Won under JdV till Burger took over which is when we started LOSING.. Just like we LOST under Smit EVERY F’NG GAME for 2 whole YEARS!!
He will be WRONG choice for Bok captaincy
7 Nov 2011, 11:46 am
@Helen(Helen)-227:
ja, but skop’s not the first blogger to invite gunther for a bit of ‘chit chat’ recently hehehe
7 Nov 2011, 11:46 am
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-229:
sheeesus china.
it’s monday night over there and you are already knee deep in a bottle of johnny walker.
7 Nov 2011, 11:47 am
@Staal(Staal)-231:
It is mean to antagonize Staal.
Not get a smilie.
8)
7 Nov 2011, 11:47 am
@Gunther(gunther)-230:
In Portugal they just call them “showers”.
Same with the Turks who just call it “Delights” or the Germans who have dogs named “shepherds”
7 Nov 2011, 11:48 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-234: hey body on tap
you make it difficult for me to “stem saam” with all your comments but i have to agree there is some truth in that posts.
about Schalla’s captaincy i mean!
7 Nov 2011, 11:49 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-234:
look skop…
i am working between posts… (or trying to ) will glady meet over a beer one evening… charo should be down here soon and we can catch up and chat about rugby and burger etc etc…
no prob with that at all…
but my question to you for now is…
if you won’t pick burger because he doesn’t get a starting spot in the boks… how can you go for jdv who is even less likely to secure a starting spot…?
if you’re going to judge these guys… at least judge them on the same criteria..
7 Nov 2011, 11:49 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-211:
Are you saying Steyn got the backline going against Wales and Samoa, (Namibia and Fiji don’t count)?
7 Nov 2011, 11:50 am
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-233:
why not just call him an arsehole then?
ol’ redneck steve didn’t seem to have much of a problem with the black or arsehole bit when he was cashing Tigger’s cheques did he now?
7 Nov 2011, 11:50 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-234:
“Just like we LOST under Smit EVERY F’NG GAME for 2 whole YEARS!!”
Really??
You sure you want to stick with that story?
It seems you have as much diplomacy as you have brains.
Gunth will smack you stupid. He’s a legend around here. You are a slice of glistening goat tturd around here.
7 Nov 2011, 11:51 am
Hot of the press,
head a guy was at Durbs for 3 weeks,
snorkeled and scuba’d with sharks and all that crazy stuff…
was back in Boksburg for 2 day’s and a Ford trapped him!
7 Nov 2011, 11:51 am
Shampoopoo
JdV as captain?????
Bwhahahahahahahaha…. you are a joke.
7 Nov 2011, 11:52 am
Caner
He said he wanted to shove ‘it’ up his “black a-hole”
Which is not fact
Last time I checked my sphincter was a dark shade of pink
So that makes it racist, no?
7 Nov 2011, 11:52 am
heard
7 Nov 2011, 11:53 am
@ufo(ufo)-240:
Can you see fuckadilly’s “site” across the road?
Has he got a cellphone charger for a blackberry?
I am also looking for a counterfeit proteas jersey.
7 Nov 2011, 11:53 am
@Gunther(gunther)-242:
Because all ar$eholes are white unless otherwise specified.
Tigger is black, so what’s the issue?
7 Nov 2011, 11:53 am
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-233: Ar*ehole, yes without any shadow of a doubt. Woods is a despicable excuse for a living creature. I can’t bring myself to call him human.
To put “black” in front of it takes the comment into the realm of racism and turns the attention away from Woods’ behaviour.
No, the cadie was wrong and his comment was racist.
Yes, Woods is someone who I wouldn’t let my dog chew on.
7 Nov 2011, 11:54 am
@RedMan(RedMan)-246: you checked? huh? why? how?
now i’m worried!
7 Nov 2011, 11:54 am
It’s now Official,
NZ is the best performed Team, to ever compete in the Rugby World Cups.
NZ average finishing position 2.28 (2 titles).
SA average finishing position 2.8 (2 titles).
Australia av finishing position 3.0 (2 titles).
England average fin position 3.42 (1 title).
7 Nov 2011, 11:56 am
Many didn’t think Smit was the best 2 for ’97. Same for many re Pienaar in ’95.
The coach has to pick who he thinks is the best team captain, not who the public thinks is the current form player or we end up in a Straeuli situation again.
7 Nov 2011, 11:56 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-250:
Not sure you can say it was racially offensive.
Unless Tigger doesn’t want to black.
7 Nov 2011, 11:56 am
Bakkies: heyneke is contracted to the bulls, don’t see him leaving.
7 Nov 2011, 11:58 am
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-252:
It doesn’t look like the 2 RWC’s that SA didn’t compete in, were discounted in those stats.
Remember, NZ have played in EVERY RWC = 7
SA have only played in 5
7 Nov 2011, 11:58 am
@Gunther(gunther)-242:
True.
He has apologised unconditionally to Tiger.
7 Nov 2011, 12:00 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-248:
hehehe
no building going on in our immediate vicinity… and not across the road…
but there is some building going on near the long beach mall…
7 Nov 2011, 12:01 pm
@RedMan(RedMan)-246:
True enough. My mistake.
7 Nov 2011, 12:03 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-252: Jeepers Caner, it took the most creative statisticians several weeks to scrape that one from the side of the barrel.
7 Nov 2011, 12:07 pm
@Helen(Helen)-256:
SA’s participation in only 5 Tournaments was taken into account.
7 Nov 2011, 12:07 pm
Tiger has said numerous times he’s not black. Some friends of mine were with him at Stanford, he had an assured reputation as a c o c k!
7 Nov 2011, 12:08 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-225: wasn’t he the guy that carried the bags? strong disrespect from a bell boy
7 Nov 2011, 12:09 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-257:
quite right.
I expect to see him carrying a crucific around the australian open.
7 Nov 2011, 12:09 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-260:
Us Gloaters are very busy people katman.
8)
7 Nov 2011, 12:09 pm
@Helen(Helen)-254: No need to preface such a description to a person’s skin colour, period.
7 Nov 2011, 12:09 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-250:
SA isn’t the only country with racist people.
7 Nov 2011, 12:11 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-263:
Speaking of “bag carriers”, have they sacked Marty yet?
8)
7 Nov 2011, 12:11 pm
246@Redman…
why would u be looking there. 
7 Nov 2011, 12:11 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-265: Whatever bloats your gloat.
7 Nov 2011, 12:12 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-266:
So, if I say Jacob Zuma is a black president, it is racist?
7 Nov 2011, 12:12 pm
@ufo(ufo)-258:
I think he is selling cellphone accessories at the lights.
look out for an ampetamine-crazed leprechaun hopping up and down under s swathe of nokkia car chargers.
he may be moonlighting by washing the odd windscreen.
7 Nov 2011, 12:12 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-268:
Martin is pondering who he can poach next.
7 Nov 2011, 12:13 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-272:
7 Nov 2011, 12:13 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-268: why would they sack MJ? we only lost to the WC Champions.
7 Nov 2011, 12:14 pm
Nzinchina: that’s true there are a wealth of racists globally!
7 Nov 2011, 12:14 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-275:
It wasn’t really an England side though was it.
7 Nov 2011, 12:14 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-263:
exactly.
I expect to see Pongolands highest paid sportsman demoted to laundry duty at the holiday inn.
he can be washing the black arsehole’s onnerpant.
7 Nov 2011, 12:16 pm
@Helen(Helen)-271:
I think if you cald him a president you could be contravening the consumer protection act under the false product information clause.
7 Nov 2011, 12:17 pm
What about these Portugese comments on here?
They make Stevie look pretty harmless by comparison.
7 Nov 2011, 12:18 pm
Helen: the bellhop did not intend saying black in that reference in lieu of Tiger.
7 Nov 2011, 12:21 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-272:
hehehe…
7 Nov 2011, 12:22 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-280:
really?
It also emerged that the half-hearted apology Williams offered over the weekend was only at the orders of Scott.
In answer to a question from Sportsmail, Scott angrily revealed he had
ordered his caddie to deliver the mea culpa.
‘What do you want?’ Scott said. ‘I got him to apologise.’
7 Nov 2011, 12:25 pm
heard the story of Tiger who forgot his access card and wanted to get in at the VIP’s entrance.
Security guard said he doesn’t care if he’s the Lion King but he is not getting in without that card!
7 Nov 2011, 12:27 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-275:
Old Blighty finished 8=
With the Team, treating the Tournament as an extension of Mike Tindals Stag Night.
Marty ……………………………………should he fall on his sword?
7 Nov 2011, 12:28 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-283:
I hope Louis Luyt ordered an apology from Andre Markgraff when he used the K word.
7 Nov 2011, 12:30 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-275:
You didnt have the world cup to lose.
So we beat the world champs twice at the RWC, you lost = we better.
Anyway MJ has to stay, no one has beat him at rugby practice when they are trying different moves on the skulling races.
I heard he runs 12 pints an hour.
7 Nov 2011, 12:31 pm
Gunth is a white legend!
Shampoo is a white idiot!!
My Punda is a black man!
Poop is a Maori fluckface
Sue me
7 Nov 2011, 12:31 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-125: Yada Yada Yada lol. Slow down , u gonna burst a vein…..on second thoughts.
7 Nov 2011, 12:33 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-267: Hell no. If anything, I prefer the upfront racism from select people back home to the overt racism here in the UK where I live.
7 Nov 2011, 12:34 pm
@Helen(Helen)-271: President doesn’t equal “ar*ehole” despite what some people would say.
Big difference. You’re a very bright person. You should see it.
7 Nov 2011, 12:35 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-290:
Dude, overt and upfront mean the same thing…… unless you’re splitting hairs?
You either meant covert or subtle.
7 Nov 2011, 12:35 pm
@Helen(Helen)-288: Oh don’t be silly.
7 Nov 2011, 12:36 pm
@Helen(Helen)-292: yes, covert. Underhand, sneaky, implicit…all that garbage.
7 Nov 2011, 12:36 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-291:
I think theres only 1 black member at Augusta, Williams will be a legend down there now.
7 Nov 2011, 12:37 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-286:
He apologised and resigned.
7 Nov 2011, 12:38 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-291:
That is still not right.
If someone is black and they are an ar$ehole, they will be called a black ar$ehole. If they don’t want to be called that, then they should either stop being an ar$ehole or black.
Same with “Indian bookie”, “Afghan terrorist”, “British imperialist”, “white dingbat” and “Russian gangster”
7 Nov 2011, 12:39 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-296:
and never ever ever used the word again, good to hear mate
7 Nov 2011, 12:40 pm
@Helen(Helen)-297:
lol
Stop being black
7 Nov 2011, 12:40 pm
Ag no man, this world is turning into a pisss willy, limp wristed PC place with no sense of humour and way too much sensitivity about race.
Ever considered that racism might lose its power when we stop trying to be so racially sensitive ourselves?
7 Nov 2011, 12:46 pm
@Helen(Helen)-297: Rubbish. No need whatsoever to preface “b*stard”, “ar*ehole” and the like with a person’s skin colour which is simply plain insulting.
The examples you mention are nationality, not skin colour.
Come on, you’re better and more intelligent than this rubbish.
7 Nov 2011, 12:47 pm
ascribing color to an @$$hole is just silly… white black yellow or brown… an @$$hole is an ugly thing or person…
you guys really splitting cheeks here…!
7 Nov 2011, 12:48 pm
@ufo(ufo)-302: It’s all cr*p
7 Nov 2011, 12:54 pm
Little Hodiaki.
The teacher said, “Let’s begin by reviewing some American history. Who said ‘Give me Liberty , or give me Death’?”
She saw a sea of blank faces, except for Little Hodiaki a bright foreign exchange student from Japan, who had his hand up: ‘Patrick Henry, 1775′, he said.
‘Very good!’
Who said, ‘Government of the People, by the People, for the People, shall not perish from the Earth?’
Again, no response except from Little Hodiaki, ‘Abraham Lincoln, 1863′.
‘Excellent!’, said the teacher continuing, ‘let’s try one a bit more difficult…’
Who said, ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country?’
Once again, Hodiaki’s was the only hand in the air and he said: ‘John F. Kennedy, 1961′.
The teacher snapped at the class, ‘Class, you should be ashamed of yourselves, Little Hodiaki isn’t from this country and he knows more about our history than you do.’
She heard a loud whisper: ‘F . . k the ****,’
‘Who said that? I want to know right now!’ she angrily demanded.
Little Hodiaki put his hand up, ‘General MacArthur, 1945.’
Now furious, another student yelled, ‘Oh yeah? Suck this!’
Little Hodiaki jumped out of his chair waving his hand and shouted to the teacher, ‘Bill Clinton, to Monica Lewinsky, 1997!’
Now with almost mob hysteria someone said, ‘You little ****. If you say anything else, I’ll kill you.’
Little Hodiaki frantically yelled at the top of his voice, “Michael Jackson to the child witness testifying against him, 2004.’
The teacher fainted.
As the class gathered around the teacher on the floor, someone said, ‘Oh ****, We’re screwed!’
Little Hodiaki said quietly, ‘The Springboks, 2011.’
7 Nov 2011, 12:54 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-303:
hehehe…
a
rose@$$hole by any othernamecolor, is just assweetugly and smelly…!!7 Nov 2011, 12:56 pm
Helen showing her age
Again
7 Nov 2011, 13:11 pm
@ufo(ufo)-305:
what about a gloating jokey arrsehole?
7 Nov 2011, 13:11 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-304:
hahaha, true story too
7 Nov 2011, 13:12 pm
@Helen(Helen)-243: Correction Skop is the Legend around here. You wouldn’t know. He stems from way before your time.
@Michael(mikeybrass)-250: Why do you feel so strongly about Woods? Unfaithfulness in his marriage?
He isn’t the first and certainly will not be the last. I honestly do not think his “crime” is so bad. Steve is just bitter that his Tiger pay checks have come to an end and his racism came through when he was chatting to his “boys”. I see Steve as scum, rather than Tiger.
Do you fee the same about Bill Clinton?
7 Nov 2011, 13:19 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-303:
Do you have the response to someone being labelled a white supremacist or a white colonialist or a white imperlialist or a white bbitch or a white swamp donkey?
7 Nov 2011, 13:19 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-307:
let caner gloat bud…
he’s suffered for so long now that he’s a little giddy and flushed with success… it’s best we accept his gloating with a benign pat on the head…!!
and he’s really not a bad guy…
7 Nov 2011, 13:19 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-309:
Tigger is a black golfer! :shock
7 Nov 2011, 13:20 pm
:sad
;shock
;bedonderd
just trying out new smileys…. do they work?
7 Nov 2011, 13:22 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-257:Under instructions. Not good enough.
@Helen(Helen)-300: You’ve completely missed the fact that Steve referencing colour linked to a derogatory comment about Tiger is OUTRAGEOUSLY RACIST. Tell me, when people on this blog insult players or coaches saying Habana is an idiot, or JPP is lazy, or John Smit is a con man. Why are they not talking about colour.
Because they are insulting the person, not his race. Steve’s in tention was to not only insult Tiger, but insult his race. It’s the equavalent of saying the K word, or the N word. The intention whilst chatting with his white mates is to appear superior.
THAT’S WHAT YOU APARENTLY CANNOT SEE.
7 Nov 2011, 13:22 pm
lilywhite a$$ was a term thrown around on keo quite a lot fairly recently by one of our bloggers.
nobody seemed to suffer much angst from it
7 Nov 2011, 13:24 pm
@Helen(Helen)-312: Helen is a stupid white b1tch! ( See the difference?)
7 Nov 2011, 13:26 pm
@charo(charo)-315: Charo. I’ve gotta go. Let me just say that if you are not of colour you will never comprehend this issue. Never. I wish people could get that. It’s like someone trying to explain something you will NEVER comprehend. Leave it at that.
7 Nov 2011, 13:27 pm
@charo(charo)-315:
I have been to lillywhites many times and have thankfully never seen them selling a s s of any description.
7 Nov 2011, 13:30 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-316:
Ok, now I get it. If I were white, I’d probably take offence to that….
7 Nov 2011, 13:32 pm
@charo(charo)-315:
anyway.
it’s hip to abuse white people.
it’s our turn to eat.
7 Nov 2011, 13:33 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-316:
lol
7 Nov 2011, 13:33 pm
Now I know why Poopo got so hot under the collar when we talked about kiwi chokers..
Ahhh…. now I get it.
Note to self, don’t ever refer to someone’s colour, culture, nationality, language in the same sentence as an insult, no matter how far removed such reference seems to be from the actual insult.
7 Nov 2011, 13:33 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-317:
so “black a$$” is a no-no….
but a “lilywhite” one is ok?
bladdy confusing.
@Gunther(gunther)-318:
which disappointed you immensely having wasted all that bus fare
7 Nov 2011, 13:35 pm
Just a quick one: can we still say someone is a black prostitute when their pigmentation and morals clearly point to such a fact? Or can we only use a colour when complimenting someone, ie. black angel, colored flyhalf, etc?
7 Nov 2011, 13:36 pm
@ufo(ufo)-311:
yeah you’re right…even though he’s a kiwi…even though he can be a gloating one-eyed prick…even though he supports ‘those’ low cheats…i still like him a whole lot and feel him to have a heart of gold under all that ‘blackness’…
cane…if you’re listening…i do apologise and i still like you guy…even if you’re an ‘all black supporting arrsehole’…you’re still a good guy
7 Nov 2011, 13:36 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-309: Woods is scum and so is his former cadie now too.
@Helen(Helen)-310: Re-read what I said again, carefully this time and stop talking rubbish.
7 Nov 2011, 13:37 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-314: Well said.
7 Nov 2011, 13:38 pm
@charo(charo)-323:
how does thankfully equate to disappointment?
even to a man of such modest intelligence as yourself?
7 Nov 2011, 13:38 pm
@charo(charo)-323:
I am also still learning how to tread carefull around the sensitivities of the term “black”.
Aparently it is respectful, even encouraged, to refer to someone’s colour when they achieve great things “First black president”, “Black golfer” and “black professor”, but when someone is an ar$ehole or a slutt or a dingbat, their colour should not be mentioned at all, ever.
7 Nov 2011, 13:42 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-328:
you stuck that “thankfully” in as an afterthought.
a sort of red herring.
because on second glance you realised the post could have been misinterpreted.
kudos to you though, at least you do make an effort to edit your posts.
unlike “fark sorry caps” gwantie
7 Nov 2011, 13:45 pm
@charo(charo)-330:
thankfully?
afterthought?
in the middle of the sentence?
frankly I’m astonished that you are allowed out unsupervised.
7 Nov 2011, 13:46 pm
He can still contribute to the Boks.
But – don’t ever, EVER pick him as opensider again.
Use him at 7 or 8. I prefer the latter and has done so for several years now.
Juan to slot in at 7 if fit, and Alberts to be the long-term solution at 4 lock.
I will also find a space for Josh Strauss somewhere in the 22.
7 Nov 2011, 13:50 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-331:
haw friggen haw.
explain something for me genius.
why is a person of mixed heritage called “black” when could just as easily be called “white” – after all they do have white genes in the mix?
or is it a throwback to old queen vic and her wicked colonialist ways when white was right and the rest didn’t count?
7 Nov 2011, 13:50 pm
@Helen(Helen)-329: Better off referring to Tiger as an African American *******, rather then a Black one, if you want to be PC!
7 Nov 2011, 13:52 pm
Should still be one of the first names on the team sheet but come on captain? Dude’s a walking card machine and isn’t exactly the most eloquent speaker on the field.
7 Nov 2011, 13:55 pm
Loof Schalk is adedicated and hard bugger – I don’t rate him on being a master of the game – more like a heavy blunt objct used to batter down bastions and castles and his ability to off load…well need I say more. All we need is for PDV to be coach and Schalk to be Captain and we have a pigeon pair of idiots. Oh shize!
7 Nov 2011, 13:56 pm
@willievz(willievz)-332:
but only, and only…if he grows the beard back.
7 Nov 2011, 14:00 pm
@charo(charo)-333:
according to the black panthers whiteness is a recessive gene.
anyway tigger never thought of himself as black until Obama was elected.
he had asian,black and armani genes.
then he thought yes I can.
7 Nov 2011, 14:02 pm
lol
all these South Africans sorting out what to call each other, ****** funny
7 Nov 2011, 14:04 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-338:
armani genes
LOL
7 Nov 2011, 14:06 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-339:
at least we can talk about it…
more than can be said for the rest of the world…
all-in-all we saffas are a pretty damn cool bunch of people…!!
7 Nov 2011, 14:06 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-339:
Actually we are talking about tiger.
And what your glorified bellhop called him when he threw all his clubs out of his bag.
Please try and keep up my hiilbilly chum.
******* funny.
7 Nov 2011, 14:06 pm
hey charo…
good to see you bud…
when you down this way again…?
7 Nov 2011, 14:07 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-339:
confusing hey.
a bit like you lot.
every second kiwi’s girlfriend is called “dolly”
7 Nov 2011, 14:07 pm
@ufo(ufo)-341:
Well to a point you can talk about it.
It also can get very heated. Keo is a better rugby site than a human rights site
And yeah you guys are a bunch of cool cats
7 Nov 2011, 14:08 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-338: Ha ha. Reminds me of the story about Poppa’s court case following his accident.
Lawyer: “What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?”
Poppa: “Gucci sweats and Reeboks.”
7 Nov 2011, 14:11 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-342:
I am keeping up all right.
I am sure Tiger can handle himself without you guys.
But maybe you should whisper to Helen on what you are all talking about. Shes only about asians and all.
7 Nov 2011, 14:11 pm
@ufo(ufo)-343:
went down to cpt in september for a short visit as part of a rambling road trip.
sorry i didn’t get a chance to look you guys up.
back in sa permanently now so will make a visit in the new year no doubt.
will haul skoppie in for a chin wag at his local.
7 Nov 2011, 14:15 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-345:
when we talk about it we often take it waaay beyond the point…
which really… is the point…
what none of us do though… is pretend that racism does not exist… which is what most of the rest of the world does…
i also believe that the majority of us… black, brown and white are more rationally adjusted and less racist than just about anywhere else in the world you care to name…
sure we have our extremists on both sides… but they don’t represent the rest of their ‘color’… let alone the rest of the country…
so yeah… reckon the fact that we can talk about… even it heated or hateful terms… is better than ignoring it and not talking about it like the rest of the world…
and… thank you for that…
7 Nov 2011, 14:16 pm
@charo(charo)-348: How the fck are you going to do that? Skoppie doesn’t have a discernible chin.
7 Nov 2011, 14:17 pm
@charo(charo)-348:
cool bud… will be good to see you when you do…
7 Nov 2011, 14:18 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-345:
no man ffs hurricane, there’s only about two cats supporters and another 173 fairweather ones on this site.
and only they think its cool to be a cat (supporter)
7 Nov 2011, 14:18 pm
@ufo(ufo)-349:
no worries UFO, cool post my awesome cat
7 Nov 2011, 14:20 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-352:
lol
sorry man
Check post 353, it was an accisent and wont happen again.
7 Nov 2011, 14:20 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-353:
hehehe…
7 Nov 2011, 14:22 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-354:
oh maybe not sorry man?
Could be sorry my lady.
7 Nov 2011, 14:22 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-304: hehehe I have a better endow.
Little Hodiaki.
The teacher said, “Let’s begin by reviewing some American history. Who said ‘Give me Liberty ,or give me Death’?”
She saw a sea of blank faces, except for Little Hodiaki a bright foreign exchange student from Japan, who had his hand up: ‘Patrick Henry, 1775?, he said.
‘Very good!’
Who said, ‘Government of the People, by the People, for the People, shall not perish from the Earth?’
Again, no response except from Little Hodiaki, ‘Abraham Lincoln, 1863?.
‘Excellent!’,said the teacher continuing, ‘let’s try one a bit more difficult…’
Who said, ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country?’
Once again, Hodiaki’s was the only hand in the air and he said: ‘John F. Kennedy, 1961?.
The teacher snapped at the class, ‘Class, you should be ashamed of yourselves, Little Hodiaki isn’t from this country and he knows more about our history than you do.’
She heard a loud whisper: ‘F . . k the ****,’
‘Who said that? I want to know right now!’ she angrily demanded.
Little Hodiaki put his hand up, ‘General MacArthur, 1945.’
Now furious, another student yelled, ‘Oh yeah? Suck this!’
Little Hodiaki jumped out of his chair waving his hand and shouted to the teacher, ‘Bill Clinton, to Monica Lewinsky, 1997!’
Now with almost mob hysteria someone said, ‘You little ****. If you say anything else, I’ll kill you.’
Little Hodiaki frantically yelled at the top of his voice, “Michael Jackson to the child witness testifying against him, 2004.’
The teacher fainted.
As the class gathered around the teacher on the floor, someone said, ‘Oh ****,We’re screwed!’
Little Hodiaki said quietly, ‘The Guppies, two weekends ago.’
7 Nov 2011, 14:25 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-357:
cane’s had a much funnier punch line.
not hilarious – but quite funny.
anyway, it’s a verrrry old joke
7 Nov 2011, 14:30 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-346:
them Maori fellas know ho to dress.
7 Nov 2011, 14:44 pm
@Helen(Helen)-243:
seems like some half arse morons not quite knowing which side of the gender divide they belong wanna pro-activate their little half arse false sense of supremacy grandeur status
you and your little runtcunt Gunthergwat are simply no match for the real hardcore blogging hierarchic stratosphere here
rossoneri is quite correct in her assumptions and her evaluations.. there are those who pretend to be something superior or something resembling intelligent contribution or something of any valuable substance, and there are those who simply are a loud infatuation of colorful insignificant smoke
Unfortunately you and your little poefie boy Gunthergwat belong in the fake category where you wanna believe you are all so emphatically intelligence enlightened and intellectually adorned , when back at the ranch in the real light of day.. you are neither or NOT!!
7 Nov 2011, 14:48 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-336: Correct.. pretty much spot on !
7 Nov 2011, 14:49 pm
Reason to Smile?
Keith and Brycie
Joubert
Paddy Obrien
and some fella named
William Webb Ellis
schweeeeeeeeeet!!!
7 Nov 2011, 14:51 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-336: Or AC as coach and Schalk as captain = exactly same thing.. another 4 years of blunt neanderthal headlong bludgeoning to nowhere fast !!
7 Nov 2011, 14:53 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-362: They truly did set it up all nicely for you to re claim the preciousss you lost so long ago back in the age old mists of time …. Poor darling dears needed all the IRB help you could possibly get.. and Paddy the crooked caddy and Co. duly obliged… Not so?
7 Nov 2011, 14:54 pm
@charo(charo)-358: pity missed you last month but no worries whenever you down this way again..
7 Nov 2011, 14:56 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-364: not so… apparently defense wins world cups, and I thought the ABs defense was outstanding throughout..
conspiracy is for weak minded fools…
4 more years skop, enjoy them lemons..
7 Nov 2011, 15:02 pm
4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!
7 Nov 2011, 15:05 pm
@ashampoopaloo -363 so true – rather not think of that – makes me want to beat my self senseless with a heavy blunt instrument…can’t believe someone actually wrote this dravel…however if either these coaches do come to light this could be our future rugby picture! I’ve been comming to this site for over 4 years and the articles remain at a “very high calibre”!
7 Nov 2011, 15:06 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-360:
Gunth is not, I repeat NOT a poefie boy.
He strings along a bevvy of beauties who cater for his every need.
Right now, he’s being fed seedless woollies grapes by one of them, while another is massaging his pelvis and yet another whispers dirty words in his ear. One is on the phone to Guiness World Record comitee about Gunth’s bicep circumference.
7 Nov 2011, 15:07 pm
Apparently one cheating ref and loads of luck against the worst French team in a decade, wins world cups, not defence!
7 Nov 2011, 15:10 pm
apparently, if you cant beat Australia with 70% possession you dont deserve to win the WC..
coming 8th is about right for SA rugby
because its k@K!!
Justice4PDV – he deserves another crack,,
7 Nov 2011, 15:10 pm
The only people who still say “shweeeeeet.” in this day and age are the lube smugglers in Pollsmoor.
Must be internet hour there now.
7 Nov 2011, 15:11 pm
the best drop goal exponent in the world..
and they didnt even attempt one…wtf?
chokers!
7 Nov 2011, 15:12 pm
2 cups out of 7 attempts!!!!!
29%!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fARK……. SORRY CAPS, isn’t that JuJu’s woodwork grade?
7 Nov 2011, 15:14 pm
How many countries have won the RWC playing on home ground? 1
How many have won it away from home? 3
Now, that tells a story that some on here won’t want to hear in a hurry.
7 Nov 2011, 15:14 pm
8th is about right..
beating Samoa by 5 or so points proves that that early exit underlined their finish..
still
at least the players were well rested beforehand..
and they got two weeks at home with their wives to watch the finals live..
7 Nov 2011, 15:15 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-371:fair comment – but PDV or AC is the only way the AB’s will get the better of us!
7 Nov 2011, 15:15 pm
every time Schalk interviewed after game (re: s15 2011) I was always pleasantly surprised by his eloquence and lack of braggadacio.
A great future Bok cappie, IMO.
7 Nov 2011, 15:16 pm
RWC record (excl. home cups)
Aus – 2
SA – 1
Eng – 1
Japan – 0
Arg – 0
Georgia – 0
Uganda – 0
Cook Islands – 0
Italy – 0
Sri Lanka – 0
NZ – 0
Israel – 0
Hmmmm……. makes you think, doesn’t it?
7 Nov 2011, 15:17 pm
but we do thank all those Saffas who spent their hard earned to tour in NZ, with the exchange rate you guys must have saved for years…
just to hand over Bill
eish..
7 Nov 2011, 15:18 pm
@Gtown(Gtown)-378: very eloquent for a sledge hammer!
7 Nov 2011, 15:18 pm
NZ won by one point against a team that lost to Tonga 2 weeks earlier.
Hmmmm…….. Great hollow victory that is!
Bwhahahahahahaha……………
7 Nov 2011, 15:20 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-381:
Presies.
7 Nov 2011, 15:21 pm
NZ coaches who have won trophies this year
Robbie Deans
John Mitchell
Graham Henry
SA coaches
still waiting for applications
7 Nov 2011, 15:22 pm
Income gaps exist between whites and blacks. Fact.
Income gaps exist between males and females. Fact
Income gaps exist between kiwis and Aussies. Fact
Only one of those is growing.
Not good news if you are a black woman in New Zealand…..
7 Nov 2011, 15:23 pm
@willievz(willievz)-332: Juan Smith would make a better 8 than Schalk Burger, he was a better 8 than Spies at 22 years old.
7 Nov 2011, 15:24 pm
@ufo(ufo)-349: Great post, and like with most things. Talking about it helps.
7 Nov 2011, 15:26 pm
who is going to teach the SA backline?
now that the rest of the world have a counter for the “intercept play”
it leaves them with very few options.
7 Nov 2011, 15:29 pm
How many teams can claim these kind of stats?
1 – most players wearing make- up
2 – most bar brawls involving hand bags
3 – most alcoholics
7 Nov 2011, 15:32 pm
SA’s backline dealt with the Jonah …..ooooohhhh…. i’m so scared…. Lomu effect in ’95.
Given a chance, they would’ve done the same thing to old thunder thighs with the lipstick
7 Nov 2011, 15:34 pm
He’s gone. I win…….. again
7 Nov 2011, 15:36 pm
apparently the real reasons for SA’s failure to get past the 1/4 final has emerged..
the team was struck down with a severe case of coulrophobia right before kick off..
7 Nov 2011, 15:36 pm
@Helen(Helen)-389: hey Helen…that could be the Poms as well!
7 Nov 2011, 15:38 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-392: and that **** is contagious..
just look at the blitz boks, it seems SA rugby have tried to contain the outbreak by making those infected wear nappies..
though that could be because of the “gameplan”,,
one never can tell..
7 Nov 2011, 15:38 pm
@Helen(Helen)-389: Actually Jimmy Cowan holds the record in at least two of the three catogories all on his own!
7 Nov 2011, 15:39 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-394: Gameplan…gameplan!
7 Nov 2011, 15:39 pm
you can see in that cover pic that schalla is shaping to do his back-to-the-defender manouvre that gains his team NO metres at contact points..
7 Nov 2011, 15:43 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-388:Who will teach our backline, your very own Poppa. Carlos Spencer.
Tell you what if we get Mitchell as head coach with Carlos as our backline coach we will seriously kick butt for many, many years to come. Even by next year we will be number one. I honestly think we will be if we had them coming on board as our coaches.
Our young talent we have coming through are seriously top class. Just need those two top class coaches and we we beat any team.
How would you feel if we won 4Nations for the next 4 years and the next world cup with your very own coaching us? It could happen.
7 Nov 2011, 15:44 pm
@Puma(Puma)-398: sorry typo there. we we actually meant. we will
7 Nov 2011, 15:46 pm
@Puma(Puma)-398:
That would be a bold and courageous selection.
Really don’t think Saru has the balls for it, but based on what’s before us, that should be the team to take SA for the next 4 years.
Imagine throwing Heyneke or Vic into that mix as forwards coach??!!!
7 Nov 2011, 15:46 pm
@Puma(Puma)-398: Hey Puma… just winding up Helen, too easy to be honest…
its the way of professionalism mate, though it does allow the Greek Saffa his moment
Con and Spiros C do seem to warrant a lot of undeserved attention on this site
7 Nov 2011, 15:46 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-397: Who taught Burger to do that? Cause he sure never done it in SuperRugby.
7 Nov 2011, 15:49 pm
@Puma(Puma)-398: “IF only” syndrome is rampant on this blog! SA talent both experianced and young is good but to ask hypethetical questions like that…just don’t go there…we’ve been disappointed so many times in the past that I just live game by game. There is no dought in my mind to the couching prowes of messers Mitchell & Spencer however to see them as the Mesiahs of Bokdom is just a little far fetched when the two still have to work within the confineds of SARU!
7 Nov 2011, 15:49 pm
Puma has changed my mind with that inspired post:
Head Coach – Mitchell
Asst Coach – Rassie
Backline coach – Carlos
Forwards coach – Vic / Heyneke
Tech Advisor – Jerome Paarwater / Christie Noble / Earl Rose / Deon Kayser / Breyton Paulse / Errol Tobias / Chester Williams / Quinton Davids.
ok, the last one is just a little funny jokey thingy….
7 Nov 2011, 15:50 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-401: Both have done exceptionally well with NO Boks in the Lions team. Both are top class coaches. Mitchell for me is the best coach in the world right now. He has turned some good players at the Lions to excellent players and some will sure become Boks next year. Just have to wonder what he will do with all of the talent in South Africa?
We get them as our Bok coaches Poppa I am absolutely sure we will beat any team in the world. Not just a once off in NZ either we will win there more often.
We have magnificent young talent coming through and with a world class coach like Mithcell we will be number one by next year. I am that certain. Only if we get Mitchell and Carlos that is.
7 Nov 2011, 15:51 pm
Okay…
The official name for the new Tri-Nations will be ‘The Rugby Championship’.
7 Nov 2011, 15:51 pm
@Helen(Helen)-404:
7 Nov 2011, 15:51 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-406: For real?
Kinda like it.
7 Nov 2011, 15:52 pm
Only one blogger on here can claim to have been anally delivered.
His momma named him quite apppropriately then…. *cough* poopa *cough*
7 Nov 2011, 15:54 pm
@Puma(Puma)-408:
Yup, for real.
7 Nov 2011, 15:56 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-403: Yes, but if Mitchell came on board he will lay down the law. Doubt he will take the post under whatever saru says he must do. He is a tough oke that. Won’t be told what to do. He will want it his way or nothing.
So if we do get him I think we will be number one by next year. Have no doubts about it. Too much brilliant young talent coming through and coached by him we will beat all comers. We get coached by AC we will win 50/50 of the time.
We need to be brave and head hunt Mitchell and Carlos. Bring back Gert as Forward coach.
7 Nov 2011, 15:57 pm
@Puma(Puma)-405: you may indeed have young talent coming through Puma, and Mitchell is a decent coach, but hes already turned the position down…
hehehe Helen, are insults all you have? how sad for you…
7 Nov 2011, 15:57 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-410: Like the new name. What you think?
7 Nov 2011, 15:58 pm
@Puma(Puma)-413:
Not so sure about it.
I think it deserved a bit of a better name personally.
7 Nov 2011, 15:59 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-412: Yeah but we offer him something he just can’t refuse….
hehe. People are known to change their minds with a huge offer.
7 Nov 2011, 16:01 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-414: Sounds worthy to me. Oz/Nz/Sa have all won the world cup twice. So kinda fits in. Only of course we have Arg with us now. So we could have stuck with 4Nations. I personally like the new name, think it sounds great.
7 Nov 2011, 16:01 pm
@Puma(Puma)-415: Mitchell knows its a poisoned chalice mate..
7 Nov 2011, 16:02 pm
@Puma(Puma)-411: SA having a foreign coach – oh look it is snowing in jhb lol
7 Nov 2011, 16:02 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-414: did SA name it?
hoping to be able to call themselves champions at some stage in the next four years perhaps
7 Nov 2011, 16:03 pm
@Puma(Puma)-411: Mallet was a no nonsense guy and SARU “F”ed him up as well…Mitchell will quite within a year – hamstrung by beurocratic bullshize!
7 Nov 2011, 16:04 pm
@stew(stew)-418: hehehe. I think you kiwis will be very worried if Mitchell gets the Bok job…
7 Nov 2011, 16:05 pm
yeah… schalk never gain metres…
so… keeping it real… for those who reckon schalk is useless…
gleaned from fox sports… which only lists top five in each category… can’t find overall stats for whole world cup… excuse my math if incorrect…. stats gurus like bryce-in-oz can give more definitive and accurate figures… but…
player runs metres
schalk 45 207
danie 29 130
hougie 20 351
jpp 14 167
which shows schalk was pretty much our busiest and one of our most effective players on the park… barring hougie…
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-406:
so will the winners be “The Rugby Champions of the World…”…???
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-387:
thanks rosso…
7 Nov 2011, 16:05 pm
@Puma(Puma)-405: agree with you 100% Puma…
7 Nov 2011, 16:07 pm
Schalk has taken to the blind sider position like a guppy to water…..
Thats his spot.
Up to Juan Smith to show he is better imo.
Opensider….Brussel sprout….F louw
8 man….Alberts….Vermeulen…..
7 Nov 2011, 16:08 pm
going forward my main concern for boks is bakkies position…
Maybe he can play a while longer……I dont think he will be overplayed at Toulon….
Also….watch CJ thrive under Mitchell….
7 Nov 2011, 16:08 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-420: I think Mitchell is even more so a no nonsense guy. Better coach too.
Saru can be seriously difficult to work with. BUT if the new coach can lay down exactly what he wants and put it in writing, then they have to toe the line.
We should be brave and for once head hunt the very best, whether he is South African or not. We have some of the best talented players in South Africa. We need the most talented coach for them. Saru should wake up and go speak with Mitchell. Make a offer he can’t refuse. Give him full reign too.
Anyhow it is just a pipe dream mate. Doubt very much the Lions will let Mitchell or Carlos go until their contracts are seen out.
7 Nov 2011, 16:09 pm
Nothing irks me more than seeing the unadulterated filth that is let loose on this anonymous blog. You are all in severe and urgent danger of losing what little respect you have for yourselves. The human condition of racing to the bottom of the cesspool to see who has the logest willy does not bode well for our specie.
You should all be ashamed of your fast decaying sense of self worth that you seem to be determined to destroy as quickly as your filth infested minds would allow.
7 Nov 2011, 16:10 pm
@grant10(grant10)-425: You, my dear sir, have irrational anger issues which will eventually turn you into a lonely old man with only the palm of his right hand as company. I say you need to keep your emotions in check and nurture an attitude of self control and moderation.
7 Nov 2011, 16:12 pm
so NZ or Aus will be the 2012 rugby Championship winners
with SA and Argies fighting for fourth? still, thats only half of eight. so the new coach will already be onto a winning start
7 Nov 2011, 16:14 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-429:
whose serve are you returning today pops?
7 Nov 2011, 16:14 pm
@Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven(Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven)-428:
fARK….. SORRY CAPS, can’t say I argue with that statement, although he’s most entertaining when he is emotionally outa control!
where you from Greg?
7 Nov 2011, 16:14 pm
I can only see Burger filling a stop gap role, I seriously doubt he’d command a starting slot by tri nations 2013.
So, yes…he has an important role to fill but only until other backrowers have accumulated enough test match experience for a new test cap to take burgers spot.
…if that makes an sense to anyone.
7 Nov 2011, 16:15 pm
@Helen(Helen)-400: They should be bold and go for it. Gert Smal or Meyer as our foward coach would add to those two.
Also need to get the best scrum, defence, conditioning coach. They need to be surrounded by the very best.
7 Nov 2011, 16:16 pm
@charo(charo)-430: no ones..
just having some fun..
7 Nov 2011, 16:16 pm
@Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven(Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven)-428: leave me alone……
I am the happiest guy in the world.
this is my alter ego at work ….
to know me is to love me….
fool
7 Nov 2011, 16:16 pm
@Puma(Puma)-426:
if it was up to me… (and everyone says thank fark it’s not…
) but if it was…
i’d be having serious chats with JK…
posters here pour scorn on the ‘rugby romantics’… but if we’re honest with ourselves most of us are rugby romantics… we wanna see the books play awesome 15-man running rugby like we did in the mid 80s and with carel when mallet took over…
and we all rave about how the lions are playing great rugby… so… enough of dissing the rugby romantics…
but mitch is taken others don’t want it blah blah…
i’d get JK in and we’d be playing awesome rugby in no time… i really think he is one of the best, most attacking rugby players ever and would always be in my all-time great, best in world team…
and if he could get the japanese to play like they did… imagine what he could get out of our super-talented players…!!
and yes… i am a rugby romantic….!!
sigh…
7 Nov 2011, 16:17 pm
@Helen(Helen)-431:
I am from Zircon, the 4th moon of the planet Gy in the Fyu system….. why the **** do you want to know where I am from? Do not talk to me. You are a hermaphrodite with serious testicular irregularities that is expressed on this blog as pure filth clouded in what you may believe to be humour, but no-one is laughing.
7 Nov 2011, 16:18 pm
see the boks….
damn predictive text…
7 Nov 2011, 16:18 pm
@Helen(Helen)-431: You may think I am outta control……
But I am here laughing my head off 99% of the time…
Of course …when it comes to Plod….then I am farken hugely outta control…..
Now that i think of it that con man is about 99% of my posts….so i see where you get your impression….
Oh fark…is there a therapist in the house?
7 Nov 2011, 16:20 pm
@grant10(grant10)-425: Gerhard Mostert.
Pity he left so quick for overseas. Should have bided his time until after the world cup. Seeing himself getting a Bok call up he would have stayed in SA. I blame players Agents.
We also have Alberts but I prefer him at 8 or 7. Burger can play either position too.
7 Nov 2011, 16:20 pm
@Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven(Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven)-437: And you? Are you the new resident psychologist or just another fckup trying to be brave on an anonymous blog?
7 Nov 2011, 16:20 pm
@ufo(ufo)-436: thank fark its not up to you
John Kirwan? Id back Keiran Crowley before him, has done some really good things with Canadian rugby, and they have very limited talent… a bright future for him I reckon
7 Nov 2011, 16:21 pm
@grant10(grant10)-439:
Same here.. you entertain me no end.
Who is this psycho Greg? He seems to have you down, hey? Best get control of those emos before you spend the rest of your life masturbating…. bwhahahahaha
7 Nov 2011, 16:22 pm
@Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven(Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven)-437: Methinks you need to catch that next ferry back to Zicron then….. you know how they hate waiting for you at the aeroplane rank
7 Nov 2011, 16:23 pm
@grant10(grant10)-435:
fARK SORRY CAPS.
7 Nov 2011, 16:24 pm
@Puma(Puma)-426: You are right in your thought processes but you and me both know that in the real world its the real deep bull that stops the wagon and in our country we have real deep bull – me thinks that is why Mitchell said no to the thought of the job in the first place – SARU are renouned palukas all over the world! IMO at best we will get Rassie and while I think he has an astute rugby brain he still needs alot of experience!
7 Nov 2011, 16:24 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-442:
hehehe…
got you worried hey popps…? you had a panic attack there seeing the trophy wrenched from your grasp so soon…?
like japan has lots of rugby talent or stature…???
you take kieran for the abs… i’ll take JK for the boks… and we’ll be whipping your asses by yet to be discovered mathematical equations…
7 Nov 2011, 16:26 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-441: You are no more a person with independent will than you are an astronaut. Do not ever think of yourself as greater than anyone else, especially someone who has proven himself to have an intellect far superior to any of these pathetic bloggers. Again, I say you can choose a life that swims in the swirling filth of human verbal excrement or you can choose to make the most of the little intelligence that you have been given. Finfan, I think you have perhaps already made that choice and that is why you can not see the nuts dangling on your chin as you suck the life out of your albeit limited potential
7 Nov 2011, 16:26 pm
@Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven(Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven)-437:
obviously a little boy left locked in his closet for too long by abusive parents and had to make up fantasy friends and fantasy worlds…
gotta pity this walter mitty…
7 Nov 2011, 16:26 pm
@ufo(ufo)-436: Howzit ufo,
How you bud? Hope well.
Jeez I had to rack my brain to think who the heck JK was…………hahahaha.
I think Mitch would be our man. He is here has been here for 16months. Has a damn good idea about South African rugby by now. Saru would be crazy not to head hunt him. They don’t have to let any apply for the Job. They themselves need to select the best and go after him. Make him a offer he can’t refuse. Let him have full reign and stay out of the picture. That alone makes a coach happy and not stressed. As it is the Bok Coach must be the most stressful job for any person, let alone having saru on their backs all of the time.
7 Nov 2011, 16:27 pm
@ufo(ufo)-447: Japan imports quite a few kiwis and such..
Canada Im not so sure… and Id take that bet, beer always tastes better when the other man gets them in
7 Nov 2011, 16:27 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-445:
Gunth, howz it hanging buddy?
You need to clean up here again. It seems one crawled out of the sewer and found our little blog.
7 Nov 2011, 16:29 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-386: Not sure.
My blindsider needs to be more involved in cleaning out rucks, and nr8 more involved in cover defense.
Both these functions require very different running lines on defense.
Smith as better at doing the former than the latter, and Burger is better at doing the latter than the former.
7 Nov 2011, 16:30 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-446: I think we getting AC. That is a worry. After the 2007 wc thought he would have been fine for our coach. Now seeing him over 4 years with Province and he can’t even get them a CC or SuperRugby Cup. I have changed my mind. We need better than AC. Rassie is very good but not great.
We have too much talent. We sure as heck need a world class coach. Just hope they select right and keep their noses out of the coaches work.
7 Nov 2011, 16:30 pm
@Puma(Puma)-450:
hehehe…
always cool thanks bud… and you?
sorry… thought everyone knew who JK is…
i have no prob with mitch and have stated long ago when there were rumblings at the force that i’d consider him for stormers or boks… so will have no prob if he is appointed…
i also really like his emphasis on fitness… all our local coaches could take a leaf outta his book…
but he has said he’ll stick with the lions…
7 Nov 2011, 16:30 pm
It is easy impporting kiwis from just about anywhere in the world.
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see which way the income gap is going.
7 Nov 2011, 16:30 pm
@Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven(Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven)-437: you got serious hemaroid pain I see!
7 Nov 2011, 16:32 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-451:
yeah… and canada imports quite a few saffas…
look, i know it won’t happen because in sa we like to think out of the box… thereby acknowledging the existence of a box…
i like to say… what box…? what boundaries…?
7 Nov 2011, 16:33 pm
@ufo(ufo)-436: rather JK than AC or PDV or Rassie ….
thats for sure
But Mitchell is the go to man
we would be dof if we did not at least try to get the top gun
and that oke is the top gun
7 Nov 2011, 16:33 pm
kiwis – teaching rugby the WORLD over..
Reason to Smile – William Webb Ellis has moved in for four years..
7 Nov 2011, 16:36 pm
@Puma(Puma)-454: which brings us right bach to where we started AC with Bonehead as captain….WTF is the country coming to?
7 Nov 2011, 16:36 pm
@Puma(Puma)-440: Mostert may have been the answer….perhaps still is…I also like Franco vd merwe….but he appears to be a 5 lock…@Puma(Puma)-450: Dammit Puma….we are agreeing a lot these days
7 Nov 2011, 16:36 pm
@ufo(ufo)-458: didnt know that honestly, but that just proves he can improve the Saffa rugby player
7 Nov 2011, 16:36 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-457:
My pain, you sorry excuse for human shitt, is that people like yourself continue to believe that the mind is capable of no more than the trash that you speak on this blog. I would suggest that you, especially you little slime factory, need to establish what the human race gains form your incessant filth on this blog. If you give me one good reason for your bahaviour, I will be the first to say ‘continue’. If you don’t, then you will from this point on, forfeit all rights to speak, type anything less than that which would benefit your specie
7 Nov 2011, 16:37 pm
@grant10(grant10)-459:
as i say bud… i’d have no prob if he got the job…
i don’t think we should advertise for the job…
i reckon we should headhunt… go to a global employment agency and say… source us the top five rugby coaches on the planet… and take our agenda-driven local bias and politics out of the decision…
7 Nov 2011, 16:37 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-460: Ja Ja wipe that super cheezy grin off your face!
7 Nov 2011, 16:38 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-466: guilty as charged
7 Nov 2011, 16:38 pm
oh well
Lets wait and see …SARU over to you boys…
7 Nov 2011, 16:39 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-461:
Rather, you should ask what this world is coming to.
You are not blameless in all this contrived, humourless shitt that gets spewed onto this virtual toilet bowl. Think before you speak, think before you type.
7 Nov 2011, 16:39 pm
@Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven(Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven)-464: Jip ant your arms to short to scratch your arse…saw it a mile off – your no better than the worst on this blog…love you man!
7 Nov 2011, 16:39 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-463:
i wouldn’t even suggest him if i didn’t think he couldn’t improve our players and play… isn’t that the whole point…?
7 Nov 2011, 16:39 pm
@ufo(ufo)-465: now we talking my man….
7 Nov 2011, 16:40 pm
@ufo(ufo)-465: this
“source us the top five rugby coaches on the planet…”
would really upset Helen, you guys would be helping to close the “income gap” she goes on about..
7 Nov 2011, 16:41 pm
@grant10(grant10)-468: Yip that is the litmus test – we can sumise and wish all we want…don’t expect any suprises!
7 Nov 2011, 16:41 pm
5 best coaches in my opinion
Mitchell
MALLET
Deans
gatland
Mc Kenzie
That is of course assuming Henry is a goner…..
Hansen may be there….but as yet unproven as HC….
7 Nov 2011, 16:42 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-470: You sorry piece of fuckk, how dare you compare me to the other gastrically challenged shittheads on this blog? I suggest that you seriously consider the level of intelligence of your thoughts before you carelessly turn them into words that are captured on here for all eternity.
7 Nov 2011, 16:42 pm
@ufo(ufo)-471: my reference was to Crowley helping bok players, seeing as he has to take their imports
JK gets the better quality imported product do keep up my friend, please 
7 Nov 2011, 16:42 pm
@grant10(grant10)-472:
yeah bud… but the pity is… it’s just us talking… !!
@poppa69(poppa69)-473:
sorry bud… missed something there….
7 Nov 2011, 16:42 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-474: please just not Pdv or Ac or rassie….
7 Nov 2011, 16:43 pm
With or without John Mitchell, the AB’s will remain number 1 and will be the first team to defend the bill. For mitchell’s game plan to come into effect, he’d have to drop a lot of old heads, and start afresh and target 24 months to get them competitive. SA rugby players need conditioning and upskilling very badly!
7 Nov 2011, 16:43 pm
@ufo(ufo)-455: Yip just a dream to have Mitch as our Bok Coach. He won’t leave the Lions unles of course he gets a huge offer. Then I can’t see Lions letting him go.
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-461: For now it is looking like it will be AC that will Coach the Boks. Just hope they take a bit of time before selecting the Bok Coach.
@grant10(grant10)-462: Yip…hehehe. Not often we agree these days.
I think Mostert would have been our answer. Now not even sure if the new coach will select players from overseas. That may all come to a end. So have to look who is here.
7 Nov 2011, 16:43 pm
@Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven(Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven)-476: yeh yeh!
7 Nov 2011, 16:44 pm
@Puma(Puma)-481: unles = unless
7 Nov 2011, 16:45 pm
“piece of fuckk” – I for one, would like to see THAT!
7 Nov 2011, 16:45 pm
@grant10(grant10)-479: I think one of the three is a definate – the only other senario that could play out is the appoint a real “who the “F” is that – like they did to us 4 years ago!
7 Nov 2011, 16:45 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-477:
ahhh…
so you’re saying the bok imports make crowley look like a good coach…??
okay, i get it now…!!
but don’t be fooled… that’s just our raw talent assisting an ordinary coach…!!
7 Nov 2011, 16:46 pm
@ufo(ufo)-478: obviously the top five coaches would be kiwi, and helen has some fixation with income gaps in NZ…
why I have no idea, guess it keeps her amused though..
7 Nov 2011, 16:46 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-480: Howzit Mpundulu,
I doubt ABs will retain the cup if we get Mitchell we will be beating them from next year and probably every year. Our talent is world class the only thing lacking is a world class coach. We also need Carlos with Gert Smal as Forward Coach or Meyer.
7 Nov 2011, 16:47 pm
@ufo(ufo)-486: lmao.. of course, all that raw talent that cant win a junior OR senior world cup..
thats talented
7 Nov 2011, 16:48 pm
@Helen(Helen)-484:
looks like old greg’s facade is slipping.
starts out as this intellectual wannabe…
and drifts rapidly into cussing.
didn’t take long.
7 Nov 2011, 16:48 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-487:
hehehe…
okay then
@Puma(Puma)-488:
agree hundreds… why can we all see it but not the old farts in saru…???
7 Nov 2011, 16:49 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-487: New Zealand produces world class Coaches and South Africa produces world class refs. For some reason it seems to be like that for many years now.
The top 4 refs are all South African. Top 4 coaches are all from New Zealand.
7 Nov 2011, 16:49 pm
@grant10(grant10)-475: out of those Mallet and Mitchell technically available…..Lions President has indicated he would be amenable to discussions….Mallet just needs his ego stroked imo….
go gettem SARU!
7 Nov 2011, 16:49 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-489:
see puma’s comment 488…
7 Nov 2011, 16:50 pm
@ufo(ufo)-491: Have no idea ufo. They should look in here sometime and get ideas from bloggers…………hahaha.
7 Nov 2011, 16:51 pm
@Puma(Puma)-492:@ufo(ufo)-494: nah, the top ref is kiwi, and the HEAD of refs is kiwi..
thats world class guys
7 Nov 2011, 16:52 pm
@Puma(Puma)-495:
they should indeed…
but don’t think they’re brave enough…
7 Nov 2011, 16:53 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-489: Yes I tend to agree with you – the SA forward game is very good but the backline game is bad and that takes time to change…also the guys will be comming off the S15 and to break francise habits is tough…SA rugby needs to change as a whole. But with a pretty decent coach I think we will give you a run for your money – all I ask is that AB-SA games have a 3 point margin in them either way…and have the lot of us sitting on the edge of our seats and filling stadiums and this blog talking some serious rugby for a change …not trading insults.
7 Nov 2011, 16:54 pm
@grant10(grant10)-493: In a recent radio interview Mitchell called John Smit the best captain in world rugby and stated that John still had a good two to three years rugby at international level left in him. He doesn’t rate Bismarck at all. His statements were a little off putting but I still agree that he should take over from Divvy.
7 Nov 2011, 16:55 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-496: yeh – top paid maybe But I wouldn’t call Bryce the top ref!
7 Nov 2011, 16:55 pm
we get Mitchell as HC i reckon the kiwis and Aussies will sit up and take notice.
7 Nov 2011, 16:56 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-498: bok/ab clashes will always be the pinnacle
even if you guys only watch with one eye open
7 Nov 2011, 16:56 pm
out of here – cheers!
7 Nov 2011, 16:56 pm
@Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven(Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven)-476:
shut up errol tobias.
we heard you the first time.
now please flush and leave this facility as you found it.
wash your hands.
papa kyk vir djy.
7 Nov 2011, 16:57 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-499: LOL
I watched him on tv prior to aussiee game saying he would play Bissy…..
That was me sold …..
then he moered wp and the guppies 6 love….i am now an admirer….
7 Nov 2011, 16:57 pm
Puma 488: I’m well mate. SA has an abundance of talent but Mitchell would need to be involved at age group to provincial to superrugby teams to ensure that the players coming through are of standard. SA players lack conditioning and an attack skills set, the lions play a very different type game to everyone else in SA, and they are the best conditioned, their skills level is of a high standard and their pride themselves to unlock defenses from deep in their own, and they maintain ball in hand continuity typified by identification of space, and execution in space. They just need to sort out their scrum but they have the players to twist and turn people, and they run at you all day.
7 Nov 2011, 16:58 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-500: Sir Bryce? surely you jest, seems to allow the game to flow. isnt that what we all want?
7 Nov 2011, 16:58 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-502: good to see you enjoying yourself…
you deserve evry punch you throw
heavens knows you took enough kak my man!
7 Nov 2011, 16:59 pm
I see grant has promoted Puma from spineless old fool who needs to catch a wakey wakey to rugby sage.
#alloverredrover
7 Nov 2011, 17:00 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-498: That would be the dream. A game with Bok/ABs and one of them winning by a small margin of 2 or 3. Hearting thumping stuff like that will be awesome. Not good for old hearts though…….hahaha. But that would be exciting rugby to watch.
Remember watching us playing ABs at Ellis Park and beating them 46 – 40. Still one of the best games I have watched. Was Malletts last game as Bok Coach if I remember right.
95 world cup. Was one of the best. Extra time and all too.
7 Nov 2011, 17:01 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-509:
7 Nov 2011, 17:02 pm
@Puma(Puma)-510: Sorry typo. Hearting = Heart
7 Nov 2011, 17:04 pm
@grant10(grant10)-508: hehe got to keep the b@stards honest mate lol
7 Nov 2011, 17:04 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-509: yip
every now and then recognition needs to be given.
I have yet to have had to recognise you……
Although with cricket upon us I may need your sage advice every now and then…
Like when the fark they going to play Tahir?
I am at the opening day Wed, but have a 11 am meeting in CT….so will get there about lunch time…
7 Nov 2011, 17:05 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-513: good for you mate…
Pity BP not here to moer a few of them as well
7 Nov 2011, 17:05 pm
Okes setting themselves up for major dissapointment here !!!
7 Nov 2011, 17:07 pm
@grant10(grant10)-515: yep, he’d be reveling in it, and I imagine he still has a good read occasionally..
7 Nov 2011, 17:09 pm
Puma: if AC or Rassie are appointed game over! It’ll take the boks 15 years to recover the damage will be overwhelming.
7 Nov 2011, 17:09 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-506: Jake had our 2007 Boks very well conditioned. We need to get back to that. It don’t take long to get conditioned. We need all our SuperRugby coaches to be doing that very soon. So when the players get to the Bok Coach they ARE conditioned already. Bok Coach should have more say to the Franchise coaches.
Look I really don’t us just running everything. I do still want us to keep our rugby strength and let him add to that with attacking flair with the skills.
We have the talent buddy, just need the best coach to guide and coach them. Also we need the best coaches in all positions. Backline, Forward, Scrum, Conditioning, Defence coach… etc. Also get that eye coach back too. She seems to one of a kind. Don’t see any other team having a coach like that. Calder was her name. She helped a lot with our 2007 Bok team.
I am positive about our rugby if we get the right coaches. Select right too.
7 Nov 2011, 17:09 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-516: Agree. AC Head Coach and PDivvy Communications Manager. I have little faith in the team.
7 Nov 2011, 17:10 pm
@grant10(grant10)-514:
Grantie don’t be like that.
You often agree with me.
They may play Tahir but I dunno what sort of form he is in.
If they play Philanderer then Tahir might get a go.
If they play longone Totsobe then Harris.
(one attacking one defending)
personally I think they should play Tahir.
Newlands will turn a bit later on.
The biggie is if AB fails a fitness test then Duminy will play. this is a mistake, the aussies have him figured out between the short ball and the orthodox offspinner.
They should play Alviro at 6.
7 Nov 2011, 17:11 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-518: Agree totally.
7 Nov 2011, 17:11 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-518: true words
7 Nov 2011, 17:13 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-521: They must play Tahir. No question.
7 Nov 2011, 17:13 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-521: Alviro at 6??? Brussow and Flo are both better options IMHO.
7 Nov 2011, 17:13 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-521: thanks for that maestro…I also hope they play Tahir
Harris will bore me to drink!
7 Nov 2011, 17:14 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-525: LOL
Classic!
7 Nov 2011, 17:16 pm
@grant10(grant10)-526:
Indeed.
I think regardless of form Tahir should play.
Harro has had too many chances.
We need to be aggressive with the convicts.
They only respect the stick.
7 Nov 2011, 17:17 pm
Puma: at times you find space in your own half and you need to exploit it, most SA teams think that it’s unbroken rule that you must kick out of your half, sometimes you can make incredible yardage coming out of your half and still retain possession. Upskilling and getting the superrugby coaches on side will be a real impendiment.
7 Nov 2011, 17:19 pm
@grant10(grant10)-526: If they played Tahir in the last odi we may have won that series. Not sure why he was left out.
Had visitors here for just over 3 weeks and hardly kept up with what was happening with the crici. BUT noticed Tahir was not playing. For me that was daft. Botha that day was our best bowler too. Needed another top class spin bowler. In the tests they have to play Tahir. If they don’t then it is foolish.
7 Nov 2011, 17:19 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-525:
look alviro just score a sweet ton against the convicts where there was much fetching of the ball (from the boundary).
in my book he can play 6 and take the long range penalties if he wants.
7 Nov 2011, 17:22 pm
when does the series start?
7 Nov 2011, 17:23 pm
@Puma(Puma)-530:
steady pumes.
we were never in that game.
always 30 runs light.
don’t destroy your hard won credibility with grant.
what speedo king giveth, speedo king also taketh away.
laters chaps off for a swim.
yebo summer
7 Nov 2011, 17:23 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-528: I wonder if they have paid off these umpires too?
7 Nov 2011, 17:23 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-529: I know buddy, but that very thing cost us in the quarter when Burger tried to run it from our line. That was insane to do. Anyhow that is gone and dusted.
Quite a few of our franchise teams run it in their half. Cheetahs do it a lot too. Sharks do it a lot as well.
All our teams need to learn some skills though.
7 Nov 2011, 17:27 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-533: LOL.
Ja, I only watched when we bowled in that game. Knew we were about 40 runs short. Need to get at least 260 at Kings Mead. Still think if we had Tahir we just may have. Will never know now. That is his home ground too. Pity.
Botha was superb in that game. Think Tahir would have been too.
7 Nov 2011, 17:28 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-532: You speaking about the crici Poppa?
If so this Wednesday.
7 Nov 2011, 17:28 pm
Okay I am off.
Cheers everyone. Good to catch up again.
7 Nov 2011, 17:30 pm
@Puma(Puma)-537: yeah mate thanks, and see ya,,
7 Nov 2011, 17:32 pm
Puma: it’s not just running it, it’s making the right decision to run it and then having the aptitude and skill set to exploit the opportunity.
7 Nov 2011, 18:00 pm
@willievz(willievz)-453: willievz, I was thinking back to the pool game in 2003, the (then) kids Smith and Van Niekerk were superb that day.
7 Nov 2011, 18:17 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-509:
Even worse…. I see he is now gatgabbaring Pops
Thats tantamount to treason
7 Nov 2011, 18:25 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-506: it’s true what you SA, SA players lack the conditioning, fitness and skill of the antipodes …. there is no way that their small talent pool should compete with our so called superior athletes … that’s what many a antipode says but they do because they maximise their players talent. That’s why they dominate world rugby.
SA coaches are doff, like Meyer, he is Mr Collisions and sure if gets a big pack to roll then he can beat the antipodes … but when they neutralise his ogres then it’s game over.
Brute force is not going to take SA rugby anywhere anymore, all teams and countries can counter SA teams and even dominate physically … sharkievarkies witnessed first hand how how easy it is for big doff forwards can be outplayed by big skillful and smart forwards.
7 Nov 2011, 18:31 pm
The scary thing is that even though the Lions are the fittest and best conditioned team, Wayne Taylor says that the team is not where they should be.
Even Kiwi conditioning coaches are light years ahead of muscle freaks like that guppy Steele guy.
7 Nov 2011, 18:50 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-541: Yes they were
7 Nov 2011, 18:55 pm
Immie is a genuine legspinner and a match winner. He takes wickets and that is what wins tests. I would also go with Philander as it is his home ground. I have a funny feeling they may play both spinners though. Although calling Harry a spinner is truly pushing it. He is a slow slider…
7 Nov 2011, 18:59 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-546: which planet are you on? Immie??
7 Nov 2011, 19:01 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-547:
Imran Tahir is known as Immie.
7 Nov 2011, 19:09 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-548: I see, good luck with the cricket.
7 Nov 2011, 19:10 pm
Mmmmm
I see Extraball has changed his nic.
7 Nov 2011, 19:37 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-550:
?
7 Nov 2011, 19:52 pm
David go back and read this grootenboom or whatever he is posts.
7 Nov 2011, 20:02 pm
@Dawn…was thinking the same thing.
7 Nov 2011, 20:04 pm
And I quote:
“464
Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven(Gregory Tobias Hoogenhoven) Says:
November 7th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
@gr8 white(gr8 white)-457:
My pain, you sorry excuse for human shitt, is that people like yourself continue to believe that the mind is capable of no more than the trash that you speak on this blog. I would suggest that you, especially you little slime factory, need to establish what the human race gains form your incessant filth on this blog. If you give me one good reason for your bahaviour, I will be the first to say ‘continue’. If you don’t, then you will from this point on, forfeit all rights to speak, type anything less than that which would benefit your specie”
ET all the way
7 Nov 2011, 20:11 pm
Not so sure about next years schedule for Super15. We stop and play the June Internationals for 3 weeks and straight after back to Super15.
The week before the England test here Bulls/Stormers play each other and Sharks/Lions are playing against each other. Cheetahs have a bye. So what will the Bok coach do, will he pull the Boks out of those teams or let them play?
How the heck can we be ready to play England if we have had no training together? One week we all smashing each other up and the very next some players will be playing with each other as Boks against England. Such a very stupid schedule. We should just have cancelled the June tests. Unless Boks in our teams will be pulled a few weeks before England arrive. As this is a tour so think they will be sending their best here this time.
Super15 squads had better be a lot bigger next year otherwise doubt we will make it.
Also the players that are not selected for Boks will have 3 weeks to either get over injury or just do training to keep fit for when Super15 starts. Others that are Boks will have non-stop playing. All teams will lose momemtum. Crazy daft schedule. How the heck we accepted this is stupid.
At least we play 4 Nations which will be know from next year as “The Rugby Championship” after SuperRugby is completed. Then too how many week do Bok players have with their coach before playing that tourney?
Somehow think this schedule will be changed. Not great at all. Like a big mess up actually.
7 Nov 2011, 20:13 pm
@Puma(Puma)-555: know = known
7 Nov 2011, 20:14 pm
So 4Nations will now be known as “The Rugby Championship”
Also extra travel as we will all have to travel to Argentina as well. Feel good that Arg will be joining us but the extra travel will be a monster.
7 Nov 2011, 20:35 pm
@Puma(Puma)-557:
Your previous post about the new coach adding skills etc. to the Boks, is a sad indictment of the state of our rugby. The Bok coach should not be teaching skills but exploiting them.
7 Nov 2011, 20:37 pm
‘The Rugby Championship’? crappy name, let’s hope the actual competition is better.
7 Nov 2011, 20:59 pm
I also believe that Skop and Grant are barking up the right tree for the wrong reasonsregarding the loss ratio of the Boks under Smit, in the 2 years preceeding the WC. Bissie wasn’t sacrificed for Smit. In fact it was the other way around, with Smit moving to prop to accomodate him. Smit should never have accepted the move in order to retain the captaincy. Instead, he should have resigned it.
7 Nov 2011, 21:14 pm
@David(David)-558: Sure is David. We should not be having to learn skills at this stage of our rugby. Sad but true, we do have too.
Cheers David. Catch up tomorrow.
7 Nov 2011, 21:17 pm
@David(David)-560: yep, smit should’ve either sat on the bench or headed back overseas…the years 2010 & ’11 did a lot of harm to smit’s reputation even though he’ll point to the failed “tighthead experiment” as the genesis of the trouble.
7 Nov 2011, 21:25 pm
@Puma(Puma)-561:
Cheers!
7 Nov 2011, 21:26 pm
@David(David)-560:
even Benni knows when it’s time to give way to fresh blood!
McCarthy: I’m done with
Bafana
2011-11-06 16:43
Johannesburg – Benni McCarthy, South Africa’s all-time leading scorer, says he is done playing for national side Bafana Bafana, local media reported Sunday.
“You don’t want to be having old throngs hanging around the national team,” said the 33-year- old striker, who has 31 goals in 79 matches for South Africa.
“Now is the time where they
should be building a new talent of players,” the SAPA news agency quoted him as saying.
McCarthy, who had international
7 Nov 2011, 21:28 pm
@David(David)-560: SA won nearly all of their games when Smit played at prop. Undefeated NH tour in ’08, Lions series win in ’09, Tri Nations ’09 included. It’s the games he played at hooker where SA lost in the 2010 and 2011 3N, but they had a lot of other players out in those games too so it’s not down to one guy.
Smit should’ve stood aside for the QF, even though he played well, Bismarck was the better player and could have gone even better. It’s not the reason SA lost though, the reason they lost (ref aside) is their backs were impotent.
7 Nov 2011, 21:29 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-562:
Yes, that move has been presented as an example of Smits willingness to sacrifice his position as hooker for the greater good. In reality, it showed his determination to hang on to the Bok captaincy.
7 Nov 2011, 21:31 pm
Oh Lordy Lord.. the godforsaken lunie bin is getting kinda full
Godverdompt where the fck does nature FIND such sorry sad delinquents seeking shelter from the storm of their own immaculate ambivalence?
7 Nov 2011, 21:35 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-565:
I agree that the backs lost the RWC Q/F. In fact, I have no problem with starting Smit at 2 and Bissie off the bench for that game.
7 Nov 2011, 21:44 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-565:
Since 2009 tri nations at EOYT where Smit played prop not hooker is when he went down the tubes.. that is exactly where the wheels started coming off and the slow train to degradation set on its track to never never land…same actually with FdP but nobody actually wanted to open up their hero worshiping eyes and SEE it..!!!
I saw it clear as bloody daylight.. that EOYT 2009 was the beginning of the end for Smit and FdP.. with Spies always being a never been.. the other two were fast becoming has beens…
Smit and PdV tried every which way to accommodate the defunct hapless aura for some or other dumb fck sentimental godforsaken grandiose reason at the cost of the entire rest of the team..
Smit was NOT a tight heads backside and both he and PdV KNEW it,, he could NOT command a starting birth at loose head either above either Beast or Gurthro.. and so the only last ditch option open and left to them was to ‘sacrifice’ Bismark and come up with this cockamamie bullshit story that they were going to f’ng COMPROMISE and play them ‘BOTH’ like 55 minutes here and 25 minutes there kinda dumb struck garbage strategy.. devised and endorsed by Rassie and all the powers that be (excluding Bismark of course who was plainly f’ng LIVID by the bullshit idea) to con themselves into believing this was the way to accommodate the archaic f,ng hapless defunct aura for the sake of his grandiose self centered dream of being the first magnificent arsehole to lift Bill twice….
7 Nov 2011, 21:49 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-559:
Hmmm let me see whats better. A comp that over the last 6 years have had the best 3 teams in world rugby compared to a 6 nations comp that has teams ranked from 4th best in the world to 9th.
3 Nations isnt good as your team South Africa seems to keep the local wood makers busy at the spoon shop.
7 Nov 2011, 21:51 pm
Cheers, guys.
7 Nov 2011, 21:55 pm
@David(David)-568: Wrong.. the backs did not lose that quarter final.. Schalk Burger and John Smit did….
John Smit should NEVER have started ahead of Bismark and Aussie would not have had half a sniff… and neither should Spies or FdP have started….
Secondly Burger stuffed every attack option to detraction and distraction.. he carried the ball so many meters WTF did he ACTUALLY DO with all those f’ng carry ball meters.. WHERE the fck DID all those meters land UP!!? that is BESIDE the fact that on his first carry option from a defensive position he coughed the ball UP INTO Aussie grateful hands.. Both Brussow and Burger went into a ground ball huddle with scant protection and it was hacked out his hands into Aussie possession from a defensive line out and TRY TIME.. Hallefcknglulljah !!!
Burger is the WRONG carry ball option from second phase play.. the RAssie golden boy is the WRONG option to be playing first receiver from every single breakdown option.. either FdP kicks it to nowhere or else Burger carries it to nowhere.. got F’All to do with impotent backs because the backs NEVER ever SEE the ball unless Burger or FdP have a brain explosion and either pass it to them or else create some back line opportunity…
This game plan.. Rassie blueprint all over it.. is a fckup to hell.. it DOES NOT WORK
Hougaard should have started at 9,, Alberts and Bismark HAD to start.. FdP and Smit and Spies off bench.. and Aplon should have come on for Habana.. Hougaard should have been at 9 NOT 11….and Burger should get the HELL away from first receiver.. that is Morne Steyn’s job to offload to JdV who has enough firepower in Fourie, Habana and JPP outside of him and Lambie through the back or the middle…
7 Nov 2011, 21:57 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-569: yeah they got it wrong playing Bismarck ahead of Smit. As Sean Fitzpatrick said Bismarck is the best No.2 in the world and should’ve started the big games, just like Alberts should’ve supplanted Spies. The Boks could only pummel the Aussie pack so much tho and they did really pummel them. At some point the backs needed to make hay and they never did, that’s what your new coach has to address.
7 Nov 2011, 21:59 pm
@David(David)-560: Pity he didn’t see the end was f’ng nigh and the writing was etched in blood across the f’ng wall because THEN BOKS would NOT have had a f’ng LOSING streak of played 11 lost 10 from 2 years of his hopeless LOSING legacy captaincy..!!!
7 Nov 2011, 22:03 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-570: it’s a bland name for a new comp, not inventive or alluring at all. As for rankings, the French showed you in the final what rankings count for – sweet FA in reality but hang your hat on them if you must. I look forward to the tournament, Paddy O’Brien will have a tough time on his hands next year, not only will he have to stitch up the Boks but the Argies too!
7 Nov 2011, 22:14 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-573:
Backs were never brought in the game.. you can’t blame the backs when the chief cook and bottle washer go to man is playing fly half, first center, and blind side flank all rolled into one.. how the hell you expect the backs to even begin to operate when the entire shindig is designed around ONE ball carry operative, with a f’ng No.7 on his back..??
Bismark should have been there along with Alberts because for all the so called neters that Burger carried he was NOT effective ONCE..!! He has not got the bulk nor the explosive POWER of either of Alberts and/or Bismark.. and with the 3 of them in tandem.. NOT Spies and Smit f’ng around the breakdown doing NOTHING they would have gained SOME penetration through the Aussie defensive lines
JdV actually had a good game.. so did Habana for moments and Fourie was rather inconspicuous most times JPP as well because the ball hardly GOT to them.. it ALWAYS died with Burger or with FdP…
7 Nov 2011, 22:22 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-575:
Ranking show exactly the way it is.
France were outplayed by Tonga and hammered by NZ in pool rounds, then they played the game of the year for them against the ABs. Perfect as to what the ranking is saying. France inconsistent, ranking have shown this. France are good for the odd game, rankings have also shown this.
Continue your merry way to thinking the RWC is all that matters, and i will continue mine. All i know is out us two, i certainly know who is happier.
But about the name, yeah thats a lame name.
7 Nov 2011, 22:26 pm
Wrong imo, neither the backs, nor the ref, nor smit lost the Boks the 1/4 final – it was simply the non-selection of the best hooker, and probably the best forward in the world at present, one Bismark Du Plessis.
As Big Hit correctly points out, the Boks went on probably one of their greatest winning runs in history when Bismarck started (even with Smit at 3).
The Boks got knocked out because Bismarck and Alberts were not selected.
Put those two against that Australian pack and with Boks showing same levels of committment and it would not even have been close. You try playing against the intensity of those two for 60mins. Instead we had noone dynamic enough to give the Boks that oh-so-important go-forward!
yessus ma gat is still suur…
7 Nov 2011, 22:30 pm
Its actually a goddamn travesty of justice that we have not seen Bismarck playing test rugby over the last 2 years – its shocking, in what other parallel universe would a player of this calibre not be the first name on the teamsheet?
only in SA rugby – i dont want to see PdV coaching the Boks again, that decision was simply awful and completely stubborn, albeit very loyal, he got it completely wrong, and as for Smit, that bullshit that he spouted in his autobiography about putting the team first is PRECISELY that, complete rubbish.
7 Nov 2011, 22:34 pm
@cab(cab)-578: so wtf you saying different.. Smit and Spies being selected ahead of Bismark and Alberts is what cost the Boks.. because the ONLY ball carry option Rassie and PdV had was Burger who is actually hopeless as a ball carry operative when operating SOLO compared to either of Bismark or Alberts..
So bottom line the selection process of favoring Smit over Bismark. Spies over Alberts and FdP over Hougaard.(to lesser extent) is what ACTUALLY allowed Aussie in the game..
Exactly what we feared might happen when it was learned that THIS was the way they were going to go.. which is EXACTLY WHY Boks got frilled out the WC..!!
WRONG Selection.. Smit ahead of Bismark was WRONG and was the chief reason and consequence for the loss..
Other reasons were Burger being caught in possession 7 mts from his try line with scant protection and Brussow playing off an injury.. or FdP not being as pro active and sharp as required.. but MAIN and chief reason for the LOSS was starting with a mediocre COMPROMISE of Smit ahead of Bismark.. and secondly Spies ahead of Alberts…
7 Nov 2011, 22:37 pm
Absolute farkmaarvoort rubbish… You fools are so stuck up your own structured orthodoxy ar.seholes that you can’t see the shi.t for the cra.p it really is…
And then SARU, the real cause of any disease or cancer get off the hook again.
You naive, pitiful, dumfck sheep for fools… Thats what you are… Sheep… Sheep that are ready to get sha.gged by Kiwis again and again…
Blind as bats…
7 Nov 2011, 22:41 pm
@cab(cab)-579:
SMIT wanted that almighty immortality status in world rugby BAD.. he wanted it SO f’ng bad that he conned PdV into believing he was THE f’ng aura glue or whatever other bullshit jargon they dreamt up that his worth was so much more valuable than it ACTUALLY WAS.. that Bismark had to take a f’ng fall for the outright garbage con job they were spinning themselves…
It is an absolute travesty as you correctly call it.. Bismark’s prime epitome of his entire career had been f’ng SACRIFICED for that selfish piece of self centered punk who saw his f’ng self ambition legacy up in lights for evermore AHEAD of the good will and ambition of the TEAM..!!
OUTRIGHT f’ng self centered TRASH and somebody should TELL the cn’t and if no one wanna do it I WILL !!!
7 Nov 2011, 22:44 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-581:
Did someone say sheep?
7 Nov 2011, 22:46 pm
@cab(cab)-579: smit ALWAYS put himself before the Boks but said differently!
Smitty relishing new role
29 Oct 2008
John Smit doesn’t view the move
from hooker to tighthead as a
demotion but as an opportunity to
strengthen the Springbok side.
The form of hooker Bismarck du Plessis in 2008 has sparked a massive debate in South African
rugby circles. Does Smit deserve
to be included in the starting side on merit, or is he being retained for his leadership?
Coach Peter de Villiers announced this past Saturday that Smit will be moving to tighthead for the Boks. The move will allow the inclusion of the Bok skipper and the country’s form hooker in the starting front row.
Smit, who hasn’t represented the Boks since the Tri-Nations Test in Wellington due to injury, said the move was made purely for the sake of team dynamics.
“It’s not about surrendering a
position. Bismarck is going to be the best hooker in the world, and I want to do everything I can to ensure this team is the best it can be. If that means I have to be the baggage boy or play tighthead, then so be it,”he said.
7 Nov 2011, 22:47 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-580:
I’m saying its not the non-selection of Bismark thats the fundamental problem, and for that I blame Smit and PdV completely, the former not for his committment, he played hard in the 1/4 final, but for putting his own ambitions before that of the team when it was clear 2 years ago who the best hooker was.
The situation was that from the EOY tour with Bismarck starting at 2, the Boks were virtually unbeatable, its probably the strongest Bok team we;ve seen since readmission, Bismarck was so hot, they had no choice but too shift Smit too 3, and for all the turbo-reverse, the Boks still cleaned up all-comers precisely because they were winning the all-important collisions and go-forward high intensity battle sweeping packs off the park, even if they were losing the scrum setpiece.
Then Smit decided it was too embaressing and wanted to return too hooker, and unfknbelievably managed to reinstate himself to start at 2, when if anything if he did not want to play 3, he should have been backup to Bismarck at 2.
But no, he wanted to start, and the Boks through away 60mins of rampaging Bismarck who is virtually irrepressible and wears down oppo packs with that extreme fris robustness – instead we got slapgat kakslow ball and it happened in every one of the last 6 tests we lost to oz where bismarck did not start.
7 Nov 2011, 22:48 pm
sorry – It WAS the non-selection of Bismarck that was the fundamental problem.
7 Nov 2011, 22:51 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-581: you the blind as BAT arsehole.. I need transie to dig up ALL you blind as f’ng BAT excuses you were singing PRIOR to that fateful f’ng GAME.. lets go back there shall we.. better still we go back to EOYT 2010 when Matfield led the Boks with Bismark and his Boetie at 2 and 3 and you were convinced we were gonna get thumped by Ireland Wales and England.. when the ONLY team we got thumped by was Scotland in the skop and jaag brain dead rain…then fast forward to WC 2011 where AGIN you got it all arse about face.. your f’ng Barney was gonna lead you out the desert into the promised land.. when he couldn’t do IT for 2 and a half whole years in succession.. every goddam game he led with Bismark sitting pretty on the bench we f’ckng LOST !!!
UNTIL Barney was NOWHERE to be seen.. then we WON.. Matfield, Bismark, Gurthro, Alberts in tow and we WIN.. Barney up front and its a CERTAIN f’ng LOSS…. OPEN UP YOUR DUMBFCK EYES you emaciated blind as batty deluded backward thinking backward believing hero arsewhipped schmuck !!!!
7 Nov 2011, 22:55 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-584:
janee, these okes lost complete sight of their original principles (if ever they had them) as soon as they starting thinking about that golden web ellis trophy, it was pisspoor whats happened to Bismarck, and in fact the hopes of the entire country.
Sure they all tried hard, but that is what is being a Springbok is all about, what its not all about is not selecting the clearly best players in their positions – a bladdy disgrace. Bismarck was right in his pomp, whats he now 25 or 26, at the next RWc he’s not going to be like this. Its complete shite man.
7 Nov 2011, 23:04 pm
Bismarck must release that book, I want to hear what he was told to placate him.
i want to hear what **** was fed to him in the 2011 build-up.
7 Nov 2011, 23:09 pm
33. PissAnt said:
29 Oct 2008, 14:16 pm
John is such a diplomat.
Will help Bismarck to become the best…
Will wait for the first test to see this move in action but I hope to hell it works out for Smit.
To me he is still better than
Bismarck.
29 Oct 2008, 14:17 pm
7 Nov 2011, 23:13 pm
Haha. Still on about John Smit big time over here.
He’s retired.
Rugby World Cup 2011 is over.
Why not just move on. What’s done is done.
7 Nov 2011, 23:18 pm
@cab(cab)-589:
68. cab said:
29 Oct 2008, 15:17 pm
#65 NZINCHINA:
crazy stuff, was watching colin
meads, hell he really did make
bakkies look like an angel.
yeah smit back to prop for Boks don’t sound great, he did play there a few games for clermont this year, damn good captain, thing is Bismarck is just too good to leave out, even Smit knows it.
7 Nov 2011, 23:19 pm
@wp_boytjie(wp_boytjie)-591:
We got atleast another 3 years of this.
7 Nov 2011, 23:24 pm
yeah whats done is done and some punks reckon they got away with blue f’ng murder and sitting f’ng pretty up in Sarrie Street … their f’ng self centered vainglory gamble BACK FIRED and FAILED … and all thats left in its wake is some destroyed and disconsolate careers who at least could have put their best foot forward for the sake of their team and their country which is ALL they wanted to do.. they did NOT want their fucked up self centered legacy up in lights – ALL they wanted was to be a part of a winning sincere selfless team.. But it was reneged and reduced to a f’ng circus where the fat man played his hand at immortality and it FAILED .. as it was BOUND to do…
NO f’ng principle of selfishness is going to succeed in this world where action begets its JUST exact rewards… Failure was a SURE f’ng thing as LONG as some f’ng EGO’s saw their worth as more valuable to THEMSELVES than to the whole of the team and the country… 2nd grade coward self centered two face punks..!!
7 Nov 2011, 23:25 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-592:
yep thats exactly right, he is a good captain and he was a good player, but there is no way in hell he should have been starting over Bismarck and that became more and more clear the closer to the RWC we got. Ledesma was actually starting before Smit back in 2008 already, and Ledesma aint even in Bismarck’s league.
I believed Smit deserved a great deal of respect for what they’d done in 2007, but perhaps ou doos is right with the saffa dom mindset u give an inch and they take the whole thing – i honestly thought smit was a team man and wouldve stepped aside as backup to Bismarck – this is exactly how he prortayed himself in his autobiography, extremely practical and down=to-earht, knowking his limitations and putting the team first – and it was complete hogwash – the whole thing. Actions speak louder than words, and in this case they SHOUTED.
7 Nov 2011, 23:39 pm
Jissus skop is stiiiiiiiiilllllll talking about the saaaaaaaame Smit soap opera.
Move on now.
Must be his nature, remember him flogging the Jake White horse thing dead in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009?
7 Nov 2011, 23:41 pm
Time for EVERYONE to miove on.
New coach.
New captain.
New dawn.
New start.
Move on, Smit is long gone.
7 Nov 2011, 23:44 pm
@wp_boytjie(wp_boytjie)-591: it reminds me of when beckham was sent off in SWC quarter-final against argentina when he retaliated to a clumsy tackle on him, the poms hated him for 3 years straight going to Man U games with placards written “Beck scum” “we hope ur kids die of cancer”
unti he saved their gat in a qualifier against greece for next WC with one of his trademark spot kicks, then they loved him again.
7 Nov 2011, 23:45 pm
In fairness to Pissant, he took the purists view that one selects the captain first, i dont agree with it personally and think everything needs to be constantly assessed depending on the circumstances. PA pointed to the very good example of Teichmann’s dropping over Skinstad as a potential failing of Mallett’s team in 99.
It is one thing to be loyal to players and coaches, but the success of the team transcends that, and when coaches or players act in their own self-interest, its completely anathema to everything the Springbok should be about, i wont support come hell or highwater.
7 Nov 2011, 23:55 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-596: Let it have been some other cn’t instead of your guppieyuppie arsewhipe hero and then see who gonna bemoan and rant and rave about how they sold their country and their heritage down the f’ng river.. like never before… how about you post some more stats about how f’ng useless the recent coach has been in comparison to all his hail hero white worshiped predecessors… or else how about some more soap operatics about kotching on jerseys and the rest of the sacrilege shenanigans that go down about the Bok emblazoned merry go round….
you like to pretend it never happened.. you wanna still have that fucked up fuzzy feeling in your gut about what an upstanding morally squeaky clean hero your barney f’ng cappy marvelous was.. it irks you to NO f’ng end that you gotta discover that he was NO more than a self centered piece of slime ball that was ONLY interested in his OWN f’ng self centered legacy up in lights and that he screwballed at least ONE of his team mates for that VERY self centered and self righteous vainglorious end!!
7 Nov 2011, 23:59 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-600: nope, I just see you overreacting big time daily and see no reason to join in with your scape goat making personal name calling bitchin and moanin’. Watching from the outside, it looks and reads pretty childish.
It’s a perpetual torrent of repetitive nonsense. One person is never to blame for a team of 15 losing.
And even if he was somehow to blame, then blame the person or people who repeatedly SELECTED him for all those games!
8 Nov 2011, 00:04 am
The sooner you Saffer/Bok supports get over yourselves and acknowledge that the BOKS lost their 1/4 final against the Aussies because they werent good enough to WIN. Not because Bismark or any other players was not playing….they LOST cupcakes…because it became obvious to everyone else who knows SA Rugby that you lack the key ingredients in the backs to win games. You are shown up everytime in this department. Man, the BOKS had possession and position all game long and what happened, you could only score a try on a forward pass that was rightly spotted. Every other time the BOKS pushed the line they couldnt make it across it…END OF STORY…suck it up guys this constant harping and whingeing is just becoming a broken record….and who wants to listen to it.
8 Nov 2011, 00:07 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-601: they selected him on YOUR behests.. on YOU hero worshipers desires and the falsity of this grandiose illusion that he was bigger than the team so bewilderingly sacrosanct as a f’ng ‘leader’ or some such garbage.. or else more important as a leader than Matfield was or vital to the cohesiveness of the unit or some such bullshit jargon.. you FORGOTTEN all your slapstick sentiments of how VITAL John Smit was to Boks success at the world cup and how prone to brainfarts Bismark is or was and how hopeless a captain Matfield is or was.. whereas your piffle little backyard hero couldn’t win a f’ng test in 2 and a half years for TOFFEE APPLES.!!
and in the end his vainglorious cookie crumbled into the dust it so aptly deserved…
8 Nov 2011, 00:14 am
@JohnPaul(JohnPaul)-602: backs could not breach the gain line because backs never got any ball with which to attempt it.. Boks game plan is designed around the blind side flank being the prime operative offense directive and it is shuffled from No.9 to No. 7 from 2nd phase every time for the blind side flank to carry it up to the line and try create some magic.. even though he is NOT trained or skilled enough to carry out the function.. so is he still instilled as the leading go to man in almost 80% of all offense phases… till it breaks down and opposition get to turn it over.. though it should be said that the reffing standard did not aid the ball carrier in this game whatsoever which is what most would think is the primary current IRB statute law around the ball carrier having first right of possession and that defense has to roll away and create ‘daylight”
or was this directive suddenly REVERSED for this game ONLY.?.!!
8 Nov 2011, 00:29 am
No no … Smit never deserved the vitriol that was directed at him before 2010 and there was plenty of it leading all the way up to 2007, but he well and truly deserved to be selected and lift that trophy, and as such that is exactly what they did and I thought they would.
This debacle on the other hand was smit going too far, he was ideal as a backup off the bench and squad captain, but instead his ambition and pride got the better of him.
The correct selection was a backup to Bismarck and general frontrow cover with all that experience – not too drop him and also not too start. All about balance and they hot it wrong right at the final hurdle.
JohnPaul – the Ozzies won, no complaints with the Ozzie or ref, I expected they would beat the boks – but make no mistake they were not the better team, it was a rodgering, the Aussies defended like Trojans off slow ball time and time again. But I will always maintain if Bismarck and alberts had been selected fir that game it would not have even been close. The quality of that 80% ball would’ve been far superior.
As
8 Nov 2011, 01:11 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-604: “backs could not breach the gain line because backs never got any ball with which to attempt it.”
Now that is absolute twak. In the 1/4 against Aus we had ALL the farken ball, thanks the huge effort put in by our forwards, Smit chief among them. Possession and territory stats were hugely in our favour.
8 Nov 2011, 01:12 am
@JohnPaul(JohnPaul)-602: Wrong! Brycie had a big say too!
8 Nov 2011, 01:21 am
You can have all the ball in the wall, like argy, but if you got no pace injected onto it, makes not he slightest difference. You need dynamic forwards to give you that. Instead we had matfield winning everything in air, a strong scrim and ball retention, but noone ripping into tucks and most important noone able to smash over the adv line. The two players that could give that were not picked. How u think the nok backs looked so much better in 09? There was no difference. With that sort of ball even barabas venter would like like philipe sella.
8 Nov 2011, 02:11 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-606:
Don’t confuse the old rabid dog with FACTS!
In the last 30 minutes of the game the Boks had 76% of possession, 81% of territory, there were 56 passes left-to-right and yet there were zero line-breaks!
Boks has several opportunities to drop-kick the ball over, attempt a rolling maul, or tactically kick for touch (winning 30% of Aussie LO ball) when they could not breach the line but they simply continued with ‘ball-in-hand’ and they paid the price!
Guess what… there was no John Smit nor Matfield there during that time!
But let the ignoramus’ keep making excuses.
8 Nov 2011, 02:22 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-609:
“Guess what… there was no John Smit nor Matfield there during that time!’
haha i forgot about that.
Anyway majority of the bloggers here do see it the way you see it.
Of course calls didnt go the Boks way in that game, but the territory and possesion was in the Boks favour by alot. Your post actually says everything.
8 Nov 2011, 02:33 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-610:
The majority of South African rugby fans if Keo is anything to go by… are emotive, uneducated (in the analytical sense), subjective fools!
8 Nov 2011, 03:13 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-611:
Bryce, i was trying to be nice.
8 Nov 2011, 03:31 am
Hurricane is a new zealander who of course wants everyone to believe that the ABs are the best team in the world, maybe they are, but they have still not played the Boks best team since 2009 when they were hammered, and a great many of them including one of the most famous ABs of all time who happens to know something or two about hooker play, also considered it completely berserk that the Springboks did not select Bismarck Du Plessis.
8 Nov 2011, 03:51 am
@cab(cab)-613:
You’re deluded…
As for Bismark… did you watch the RWC exit… he did nothing in his 30 minutes, zero steals, zero line-breaks, missed 50% of his tackles…
Did you watch his 80 minutes in the lowly CC… totally impactless…
8 Nov 2011, 03:55 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-614:
Aussies and Kiwi’s simply adapted to and countered that 2009 play as any modern team would…
Springboks just are not that good anymore after 4 yrs of stagnation in the coaching, analysis, evolution stakes… and they’re going to suffer from lack of depth in 2012…
8 Nov 2011, 04:17 am
@cab(cab)-613:
So i am a New Zealander, what has that really got to do with anything.
NZ have the RWC, we have been #1 in world rankings for over 3 years and you still not sure if NZ are the best team in the world?
We won the RWC without our best players as well.
Dont give me we havnt beat a full #1 Bok team. How come NZ according to you all have there best team playing all the time yet the boks never do?
One man was not going to win the RWC 2011.
Bismark is good, but hes not going to drop kick goals which what was needed in the QF. He was not going to put the pace on out wide and break open the Ozzie backline…. which what was needed.
Boks forwards did everything to win that game….. Boks backs let them down.
Why think if Bismark was played in the QF,SA would have won the game when the Boks forwards dominated the Ozzies anyway?
8 Nov 2011, 04:24 am
@cab(cab)-613:
Oh so 2009 was your stongest team and best?
Spies,Januarie,Odwa?
These your top players?
That same team was thrashed 21-6 by Ozzie.
NZ was playing Donald at # 12,hardly our best team.
Sorry but your 2009 theory has holes in it.
8 Nov 2011, 04:33 am
@cab(cab)-613:
OH and i am not finished.
2009 Boks scored 158 points.
Morne scored 95 of them. One man carried the Boks that year.
I am sorry but to say thats the best and strongest Bok team is a laugh.
8 Nov 2011, 04:56 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-618:
Dude, gloating is not a good look, honest!
In 2009, it does not matter how or why or when but your boys got beat………it’s the same as me saying ….”but you only beat the poor frogs by a point”……not so?
Not a good look hey?
8 Nov 2011, 06:11 am
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/nov/07/world-cup-balls-joke-wilkinson?newsfeed=true
8 Nov 2011, 06:55 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-618: As a neutral I would actually say if there was one man head and shoulders above anyone else that year for the Boks it was Heinrick Brussow, not Morne Steyn.
8 Nov 2011, 06:59 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-620: I thought that right from the start. Jonny has also recently slammed the other England players for their lack of hunger and professionalism during the world cup. Not a very happy camper after this world cup!
8 Nov 2011, 07:08 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-576: 100% right…..
Pdv a spineless jelly fish that was bullied and conned by the fat boy
may they find solace in there farken crimes ……
but they can expect zero forgiveness from me
8 Nov 2011, 07:09 am
strange how sharkievarkies still wale and gnash there teeth at Teichmann axing but happy to be conned by fat boy and jellyfish coach
8 Nov 2011, 07:15 am
kiwis were minus Carter…..what an opportunity for Boks to snatch the spoils…
well done plod and pdv……
Farken b astards
8 Nov 2011, 07:16 am
i wonder how these sharkievarkies would have reacted had the fat boy been a WP Player?
8 Nov 2011, 07:38 am
@grant10(grant10)-624:
the two are not quite the same though, are they. a better player and captain was dropped for a lesser player and captain in the one instance and a ‘arguably’ lesser player but great captain was kept on at the expense of an ‘ostensibly’ better player who was not a captain.
very different circumstances indeed but with practically the same outcome…we ended up losing what is rightfully ours…
8 Nov 2011, 07:39 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-611:
You idiots are bullshitting yourselves and each other
Schalk Burger was the chief ball carry proponent, Smit was supposed to be the lead from the front captain, where the fck WAS he?
Schalk Burger try as he might could NOT breach the advantage line, now you and your SharkieVarkie puppy dog and your Smitty arsecreep f’ng apologists wanna blame Bismark or the back line for the fallout.!
Its a DUMB f’ng strategy having Burger play at first receiver IT DOES NOT WORK. He does NOT have either the smarts or the explosiveness or pace to breach the advantage line, for all his superior ball carry meters he achieved FOKOL! And so did Smit achieve fokol as the lead from the front captain who could NOT even use his huge gift of the gables influence to get anywhere near to Bryce’s conscience to blow the game g’dam FAIR!
BOTTOM LINE, cab is CORRECT. Had Boks started with Bismark and Alberts Aussie would NOT HAVE stood a chance, they would have simply been blown right off the park, which they almost were, yet the strategy to start with Smit, Spies and FdP and have Burger as the ineffective ball carrier battering ram played STRAIGHT into Aussie most gratefully appreciative hands.!!
8 Nov 2011, 07:41 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-627: Plod and PDV screwed the nation….showed a huge in our face fark u toffee to all of us.
Fark them for all eternity…..I will simply never forgive or forget.
B astards that the 2 of them are…
8 Nov 2011, 07:42 am
put nothing past these kiwis.
we’ve seen time and again the depths they’ve gone to in order to advantage their precious all blacks.
i wont rehash the usual stuff again but we all know this.
8 Nov 2011, 07:48 am
@grant10(grant10)-629:
yes, but so did mallet and pretty boy bob.
why no hatred?
8 Nov 2011, 07:50 am
Morning All,
I have been out the country for a while. So has Smit and PDV had exnetsions of their contracts? Seems like we are carrying on as if they have.
Furthermore, Hurricane, the AB’s are the best this year, and the past 2 years. Why are you whinging? Is something the matter?
Hongkongslong – I dont think that Brussouw was that great. He was totally outplayed by Pocock when it mattered. Complain all we want about the ref, Pocock adapted, Brussouw did not. That said, he will learn from that and be a better player. He is certainly the right man for the future.
G10 – Boks could not catch the spoils versus the AB’s cause we never beat the Aussies. Did you watch the cup? I dont think that the sharkievaries would have cared much had Smit been a Province pup. Probably a good thing he is not, as he would still be the best province front rower there at this stage, hence still in SA rugby.
8 Nov 2011, 07:52 am
our 2 best ball carrying players were Bissy [ prime of his career ] and Alberts……
Tnhey sat on the farken bench while fat boy and Spies done sweet fanny adams niks!
FDP was stuffed with that shoulder…..Hougaard sat on the bench…..
It was weak leadership, ego driven self desire and a spineless HC that stopped us….
We could of,, in fact should of , at the very least , been in semis against a vulnerable Kiwi team…..
Instead we equalled our worst ever WC record…..going home like beaten dogs at quarter finals….exactly as Skop and I been saying since begnning of 2010 because we are not farken blind sentimentalists, rah rah pom pom girls but actually understand that this game is farken dog eat dog not tiddlywinks man!
It was a damn disgrace what happened since 2010….a damn farken disgrace of the highest order…..
I am absolutely convinced had we selected on form and merit and not on childish sentimentality we would have thrashed aussies……and then it waas game on in semis…..
But no….we folded at the whim of a fat boy and a spineless jelly fish coach……and 99% of bloggers are so accepting of the aura…..
farken deluded sheep….
8 Nov 2011, 07:52 am
Starting Smit over Bismark was one MASSIVE f’ng mistake ANYBODY STILL thinking it was the right thing to di are ABSOLUTELY FCKD in the head and know NOTHING about winning rugby principles.. That, and starting Spies over Alberts to less extent, was a cop out COMPROMISE and was THE FCKUP that killed Boks chances in that 1/4 final and I betcha even Pdv KNOWS that by now!!
Exactly as Mallet COMPROMISED with De Beer over Honiball in 99 and LOST, so did Pdv and Rassie et al COMPROMISE to CARRY Smit over Bismark, and the NET RESULT was a deserving LOSS
Because cop out COMPROMISES do NOT deserve to WIN!!
DUMB fck SharkieVarkie Guppieyuppie Smitty arselick Compromising cowardly chickenshit schmucks united in LOSING, long as they back their f’ng LOSER to the hilt!! F’ng IDIOTIC morons supreme!!
And this Aussie wannabbee SharkieVarkie Smitty arselick Bryce the pathetic little Myce from Melbourne is the absolute Epitome of that blinded COMPROMISING disease.
8 Nov 2011, 07:53 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-631: because if truth be told Teichmann, as much as I respect and admire the man, was kept together by elastoplast…..
Plod was just plainly inferior…..
8 Nov 2011, 07:55 am
BTW – I also agree that Bismark should have started ahead of Smit. I am just over it already. Seen this script too many times.
Skinstad over Teichman
De Beer over Honniball
Smit over Bismark
I simply dont care anymore
8 Nov 2011, 07:56 am
@G10 635,
Your argument holds no water. McCaw could barely walk and clinically should not have played. He played, they won.
8 Nov 2011, 07:56 am
@BULLET(BULLET)-632: plod is a con man and a statue should be made of him and put on the Grand Parade as a reminder of what selfishness and ego achieves…..
Farken cnut that he is….
8 Nov 2011, 07:58 am
anyway, in other news, while i do think its nice that the pumas have finally been allowed to run with the big dogs, i also think its just going to be a sh version of the italian story more or less. basically expect solid hammerings and undisputed wooden spoons for the next forever.
8 Nov 2011, 07:58 am
Waddup swamp donkeys?
8 Nov 2011, 07:58 am
G10 – 633,
Why did Bismark and Alberts not get over the advantage line in the CC semi versus the Cheetah’s and the final against the Lions?
Not trying to be funny, want your serious opinion. The CC is a third rate competition (after RWC & S15), yet at this 3rd rate compo, they were quite ordinary.
8 Nov 2011, 08:00 am
@whatever(whatever)-619:
In my post i cant see where i was gloating.
I was only stating on a post by Cab saying we havnt beat a full strength Bok team yet.
2009 as he suggested was when the best team was fielded i thought that it wasnt but in fact MS having a great series. He scored over half there points. In fact he scored all 31 or 34 points to beat NZ in 2009 3 nations.
What you might be talking about about is when i said NZ having the RWC and #1 ranked team in the world, yet Cab is still saying maybe NZ is the best.
This is not gloating but pointing a fact out that we are the best. Cab shouldnt be saying that we are not seen as the last time we faced a best bok team we lost.
8 Nov 2011, 08:00 am
@G10 – 638,
I agree. His statue should go right next to Skinstad’s.
8 Nov 2011, 08:01 am
@BULLET(BULLET)-637: you and your blogger mates were conned….by a fat boy and a spineless jelly fish……
you guys are the victims here
suck it up everytime a kiwi takes the p iss …..for next 4 years….because all you farkers deserve every jibe and cheap shot….because you okes are a weak bunch of sentimental rah rah pom pom girls!
8 Nov 2011, 08:02 am
@Hurricane 642,
I would not take that post from others seriously. Blacks have a far superior winning record to the Boks in the last 10 years, and have emphatically beaten us over the last 2. Bottom line is that you beat the best Bok teams we could have produced at the time we played.
8 Nov 2011, 08:05 am
@BULLET(BULLET)-641: I would not of played any boks…..
Hearts were farked after the disgusting early flight home…..
You really think mentally those okes were up to it?
Did you see Schalks performance….or non performance …at openside in cc semi?
The okes were emotionally farked up ……get over it…..
Lions were great…..but then again they have a HC with a backbone…..not a farken spineless jellyfish…
8 Nov 2011, 08:05 am
Boks’ Championship fixtures – 18 Aug vs Arg (h), 25 Aug vs Arg (a), 8 Sep vs Aus (a), 15 Sep vs NZ (a), 29 Sep vs Aus (h), 6 Oct vs NZ (h).
8 Nov 2011, 08:06 am
@G10 644 – dont throw punches cause some of what you say is exposed for being emotion rather than rationale. (After all – you claim to be the most rationale blogger in the world)
I am hurting just as much as you. I also believed that Smit should have stepped down for Bismark. You are right, the kiwi’s have the next 4 years bragging rights. We have to live with that.
8 Nov 2011, 08:06 am
@BULLET(BULLET)-643: Bob was 1000 times the player that fat boy ever was ……
Anyway….work to do
Outta here
bloody pom pom girls
8 Nov 2011, 08:06 am
you talking sh’t Bullet and you know it.. Smit is your f’ng hero Boytjie who fckd the Boks out the WC with his me first f’ng vainglory seeking ambitions.. And if you gonna deny it you are one f’ng screwball liar!!
Brussow shouldn’t have started that game, if it were Louw on Burgers shoulder when they went to ground to set up a ruck in front of our posts I doubt they would have coughed the ball straight into Aussie appreciative hands, it was an out of sorts Brussow who was strapped up against rib damage even before he took the field, Louw, Bismark, Alberts, Hougaard should have started that game. Smit, Spies, FdP should have been on bench and Aplon should have replaced Habana at 50 minutes we would have CREAMED Aussie by at least 20 points.. Absolutely without ANY doubt!!
8 Nov 2011, 08:07 am
@G10 – 646,
Fair point. I felt that they were poor. I expected more from the returning Boks.
8 Nov 2011, 08:09 am
@grant10(grant10)-646: hey i kid you not.
jellyfish are incredible creatures
8 Nov 2011, 08:10 am
@650 Ollie le roux,
I am not doubting that I am a Smit fan. Always was, always will be. I also did say before the QF’s and after the Wales game that Bissy is having more of an impact on the game and should start.
You are very lucky to have hindsight to hide behind. All you bloggers were predicting a Sharks QF exit versus the Irish. None of you predicted anything about an exit to the Aussies. You forget that.
8 Nov 2011, 08:10 am
@652 Staal – carefull.
Ollie le roux will start swearing
8 Nov 2011, 08:12 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-576: Backs were never brought into the game …..
You speak such massive shite its quite unreal. If you watched the game you would have seen that it was 2 backs that both should have scored tries if not for forward passes and knock ons …
you fool ..
8 Nov 2011, 08:14 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-647: Boks got 2 home games to start off with.
8 Nov 2011, 08:15 am
Dr Dre, – 655,
He is really Ollie Le Roux masking as Ashampoopaloo.
Phonetically it is similar, and their hatred for Smit confirms this belief.
8 Nov 2011, 08:16 am
Did you see ‘em talkin’ ’bout it on the web keo
Could your eyes believe the writing on the blog?
Did that voice inside you say I’ve seen it all before?
It’s like Deja Vu all over again
Day by day I hear the voices rising?
Started with a whisper like it did before?
Day by day they insult the truth by lying
Pick apart the players cause their lives are such a bore…
with apologies to John Fogerty
8 Nov 2011, 08:16 am
@grant10(grant10)-649:
thats just the most ridiculous statement ever….
8 Nov 2011, 08:18 am
its these SAME Guppieyuppie SharkieVarkie neanderthal idiots who are STILL singing the Teichman chorus about how Mallet fckd up in 99, least Mallet made it to the semi extra time WITHOUT his captain and his No.1 fly half.
This time was EXACTLY same fckup COMPROMISE .. But in Reverse!!
This time by CARRYING this aura arsehole self seeking schmuck TOO f’ng FAR, Boks SOLD OUT!!
WHERE exactly did this sentimental bullshit hogwash ACTUALLY Get the Boks… OUT the WC on their EAR and on the plane HOME to play in a watered down CC’ THAT’S WHERE the COMPROMISE of playing Smit over Bismark got the Boks…
And any dumb fck SharkieVarkie Smitty arselick apologists who is STILL thinking anything to the contrary is ABSOLUTELY blinded by his fucked up loyalty just as PdV was and is STILL Fckd in the head!!
Sorry to have to tell you so f’ng BLUNTLY.. Because you IDIOTS don’t wanna open up your Smitty condoned cocoon eyes.!!
8 Nov 2011, 08:18 am
@659 – au revoir,
Its just emotional from G10. Thats all. He has no calmed down yet after the QF exit.
He is normally very sensible and factual. This will return eventually, but for now, we need to let him rant like Ollie Le Roux for a bit.
8 Nov 2011, 08:20 am
@660 – Ollie Ollie Ollie,
Are you going to copy and paste this piece into your article on Friday?
Are you taking journalism lessons from Stuart Barnes?
8 Nov 2011, 08:21 am
@grant10(grant10)-644:
Actually it doesn’t really bother me that much at all… poor decision-making in the last 30 minutes LOST the game and they simply persisted with YOUR call for ball-in-hand till the very score-less end, without Smit and Matfield there…
I’ve got a life… I’ve not lost a wink of sleep over it… you and the rabid old dog on the other hand have started your EVERY day howling and moaning with thousands of repetitive posts… EVERY day since the exit…
Life must suck for you two!
8 Nov 2011, 08:21 am
@BULLET(BULLET)-657: Agreed. I have said before that he needs to give himself over to Eskom so that they can stick a cable up his bum to harness all that swirling, dark and confused energy in his mind and use it to power south africa.
8 Nov 2011, 08:21 am
Conservative management team:
Coach – AC
Asst – Gold
Asst – Rassie
Frw – Heyneke
Back – Fleck
Bold management team
Coach – Mitchell
Asst – Rassie
Asst – AC
Frwd – Vic
Back – Treu
8 Nov 2011, 08:24 am
@BULLET(BULLET)-661:
these guys really need to let it go now and move on.
its always better to present the solutions rather than problems.
a little positivity never killed no one…
8 Nov 2011, 08:25 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-660: You are an utter fool. Time and time again you bury yourself with your rabid thoughts and confused mindless tripe you type here.
You are the fool on the hill that the Beatles wrote about!
8 Nov 2011, 08:25 am
Sorry, and now with the addition of captain….
Conservative management team:
Coach – AC
Asst – Gold
Asst – Rassie
Frw – Heyneke
Back – Fleck
Captain – Burger
v capt – de Villiers
Bold management team
Coach – Mitchell
Asst – Rassie
Asst – AC
Frwd – Vic
Back – Treu
Captain – Bekkerr
v Capt – de Jongh
8 Nov 2011, 08:26 am
@dr dre(dr dre)-667:
Say no to shamoo.
Insist on REAL poo
8 Nov 2011, 08:26 am
farken disgracethat Plod
Legacy farked
a lesson to us all
He talked a good game….team first, etc
when it came right down to it his snout was so deep in his own gravy train sense of self worth he showed his true self ego colours…..and doomed us all.
8 Nov 2011, 08:27 am
@Helen(Helen)-669: A sham is indeed the brand of poo he peddles.
A sham poo peddlar. Sad.
8 Nov 2011, 08:29 am
@grant10(grant10)-670:
Dude, take a chill pill and get over it, ok?
Fact is that we were 2 poor ref decisions away from making history with this team you cuss every single minute of every day.
Things could’ve worked out very differently and I believe we had the right team on the park, but were just tripped up by a ref that denied us our dues.
Considering that, if we had lost to the kiwis in the semi, we would’ve been proud of our team.
8 Nov 2011, 08:30 am
@Helen(Helen)-668: This is for WP, right?
8 Nov 2011, 08:32 am
@grant10(grant10)-670: John did not have a bad world cup at all and Bissie and the other impact players were excellent when deployed.
No, John did not lose us the world cup and neither did the tactics on the day.
The gameplan was effective with us hammering the Aussies!
The referee was DIABOLICAL (I have watched the game quite a few times now) AND a few players made huge mistakes when faced with clear scoring opportunities which the team and game plan provided.
You are a broken record fool and every day your metamorphosis to ultimate fool is nearer completion.
Sham poo is still the king! You are close old sport.
8 Nov 2011, 08:33 am
Ho hum.
Same kak same culprits.
8 Nov 2011, 08:34 am
@grant10(grant10)-670:
Grant, I think you need to consider the alternatives.
Plod was probably our best coach since readmission.
During his tenure, SA’s reputation soared way beyond what we ever thought possible. There were no racial, provincial or off-the-field incidents and our discipline (rules and foul play) exceeded even our worst critic’s expectations. Plod was a great ambassador for the game and yes, we didn’t win, but we certainly won the hearts of the world under Plod.
And, keep in mind Plod could easily have made sure that Bissy is not even in the squad, let alone his replacement!
Also, as far as pure hooker duties are concerned, Smit was probably the better player.
Bissy offered more beyond the scope of the position, but when you play finals rugby, you want to focus on doing the basics well, which Smit did exceptionally well.
8 Nov 2011, 08:35 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-628: Burger is twice the player Alberts is. He was everywhere against Australia and easily the Boks best player. Alberts looks spectacular, but just doesn’t keep up with the play in the same way Burger does. Its a pretty tough job doing well in the back row when you effectively only have 2 because Spies is just swanning around doing nothing, Plus Plod adding to the all round slowness and ineffectiveness of the pack.
Burger is not a leader, but he is essential to the Boks immediate future.
8 Nov 2011, 08:35 am
Sorry, Freudian slip…… best CAPTAIN, not coach
8 Nov 2011, 08:37 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-673:
No, for WP I’d go with a team that includes Jerome Paarwater, Chester Williams, Breyton Paulse and Bolla Conradie
8 Nov 2011, 08:38 am
@Helen(Helen)-676: Agree.
I insist that our players and gameplan was a word cup winning recipe.
Given the opportunity for a final with NZ … I think that we would have been in with a good chance of winning.
Properly F*ck the IRB for delivering such corruptness to the competition.
8 Nov 2011, 08:39 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-677: Burger can’t do what Alberts does. He can’t crash across the gain line, making 5 or 10 extra meters every time, dragging three players with him. Burger pulls a nasty face before turning his back on the tackler. And then he collapses on the very spot the tackle was initially attempted. Every time, without fail.
8 Nov 2011, 08:41 am
@Helen(Helen)-679:
You could have added Thinus Linee there as well …
Is Rassie currently Allister’s boss the WP setup?
8 Nov 2011, 08:41 am
@Helen(Helen)-679: Well, 11 out of the 14 names on your list are from WP.
Let’s try again, shall we?
8 Nov 2011, 08:42 am
@grant10(grant10)-670:
Grant, you need to respect a player that gave his all and did what he could to win.
Other than spitting fire on here every day, what have you done to make sure we win?
John Smit is a legend.
I was also calling for Bissy to start some of the big games, but it was a close call and the coach did what he thought was best at the time. There is no guarantee that we would’ve won with Bissy on the park. We don’t know if he’d have another brainfart and throw in like someone in the blind retards darts derby
8 Nov 2011, 08:43 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-683:
Ja, I know, it is a sad day….
BUT, we are sitting with some quality coaches in the cape, just none with the posture of a head coach like Mitchell
8 Nov 2011, 08:45 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-682:
Rassie is not really his boss.
Just because AC makes Rassie’s first cup of coffee in the morning and rubs his feet after a long day in the sharp newlands sun, doesn’t mean that Rassie’s his boss.
Oh, and what about Deon Kayser and Quinton Davids??
8 Nov 2011, 08:48 am
@Helen(Helen)-686:
No, Kayser played for the Sharks. Are you aware of this?
Maybe you considered other factors when suggesting him.
Why do you find the Cape Cullert accent so repulsive?
8 Nov 2011, 08:48 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-681:
Ja, he is a one dimensional runner.
What I liked about him at the RWC was that he started toying with the idea of offloading in or just before the tackle. Mostly, that was when Vic yelled “pass die bal, doos!”…..
8 Nov 2011, 08:49 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-687:
Oh, I thought we were listing cullards… my mistake.
8 Nov 2011, 08:51 am
@dr dre(dr dre)-680:
I agree.
our gameplan for the qrt final was near-perfect.
If only 2 of the 7 or 8 bad reffing decisions went our way, the picture would’ve looked very differently and our tails would’ve been up for the kiwi clash.
8 Nov 2011, 08:53 am
@grant10(grant10)-670:
“Legacy farked” – in your “mind”, In the “minds” of a few rabid tosspots of a similar lunatic fringe.
50 years from now, John Smit will be remembered as one of the greatest springboks of all time. 50 years from now you’ll (maybe) be remembered as the embarrassing uncle in the family no one wants to talk about – ja, that one.
As for skopskiet – he won’t be remembered at all, beyond perhaps suchlike odes:
Under the spreading chestnut tree
The village idiot sat
Amusing himself by abusing himself
And catching it all in his hat.
8 Nov 2011, 08:54 am
@Helen(Helen)-689:
3 mistakes then:
1- The one you pointed out
2- Not answering the last question
3- The incorrect spelling of ‘cullert’
8 Nov 2011, 08:54 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-681:
ja, but you’re not giving him any credit for what is really a smart move. its actually an inverted turbo reverse which when implemented correctly in fact gains meters forward as opposed to meters backwards.
the guys basically taken a negative manoeuvre endemic to the stormers setup and turned it into a positive set piece and/or open-field play.
8 Nov 2011, 08:55 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-673:
8 Nov 2011, 08:58 am
Nevertheless, I thought the weather in Cape Town was quite nice after it was a bit chilly on Saturday upon arrival.
Banhoek Valley remains one of the most beautiful areas.
The only thing I regret was that I forgot to order the quince juice.
8 Nov 2011, 08:59 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-692:
What can I say, I am the world’s only walking, bleeding, eating, drinking mistake…..
8 Nov 2011, 09:05 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-693: Ah, I see. So we can expect the Stormers scrum to pack down with their bums facing the opponents pretty soon?
And please no homophobic jokes. Unless they’re really funny.
8 Nov 2011, 09:06 am
@Helen(Helen)-696:
Are we not a bit hard on ourselves now?
It’s not about mistakes, but recovery from. ‘I get knocked down, but I get up again…’ typa-thing
keo.co.za remains one of the key learning platforms in SA and indeed internationally.
Why do you think these kiwis come here day after day, it is with the sole purpose of learning. People want to better themselves.
8 Nov 2011, 09:07 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-681: When the pace steps up against the high quality teams, Alberts just can’t keep up. In a tight slugfest maybe he’s better, but I see him more as a 2nd row, or impact player.
8 Nov 2011, 09:09 am
this Dr Dread is one fckup moron who thinks the sun shines out his self absorbed A. Hole you dumbfck idiotic schmuck need to be taught how LITTLE you actually know you moronic fckup dunce!! Backs were played OUT the game by FdP and Burger taking all 2nd phase ball to the gain line or into the air, hardly EVER did M.Steyn get given latitude to send backs away it was 80% Burger playing first receiver after first phase attack.
As for twatass Bullet talking HINDSIGHT the only cn’ts talking HINDSIGHT are these self same Smitty arselick apologetic idiots who only AFTER the Fact realize that it was absolutely IMPERATIVE that Bismark started over Smit otherwise we were going DOWN .. and so it went EXACTLY down to script… We went DOWN CARRYING SMIT … As I absolutely KNEW we would.. no f’ng hindsight about it ONE LITTLE BIT!!
Furthermore both HKschlong and Katman are correct BOTH of Burger and Alberts were required as well as Bismark,,., because then its a 3 prong forward offensive and NOT solo Burger trying to be suoerman all by himself… Burger was absolutely ineffective attempting to breach the advantage line for 80 minutes solid.. Burger is the duracell bunny rabbit that gets around the park effecting cover tackling but Bismark and Alberts were required to bust the Aussie defense NOT Smit and Spies who are both ineffective in the loose.
8 Nov 2011, 09:13 am
RIP Smokin’ Joe
KO’d by the Big C…!
8 Nov 2011, 09:22 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-698:
Bwhahahahahaha………
I think Greg will disagree with you. He believes this blog contributes to the rising levels of filth on our world.
Maybe you’re saying that filth is an improvement for kiwis?
8 Nov 2011, 09:23 am
We lost the world cup QF not because of Smit and/or PDV, but due to a variety of reasons (in no particular order):
- Injury to Steyn prior to the game
- injury to Ratel early in the game
- Lawrence’s totally inept performance
- Australian’s balls-to-the-wall defence
- M Steyn’s failure to kick a drop
- backline’s failure to score tries
- JDV’s forward pass to Lambie
- Lambie’s missed drop kick
- Schalk’s turnover that lead to the try
- Danie’s brain dead penalty in the line out
- the inability of super subs Bissie & Alberts to break the line in the last 30 minutes
- knock ons in try scoring positions
- etc, etc
Rabid dog verbal diarrhea from addled old fools like Gwantie and Skop doesn’t change the facts. OVER RED ROVER. GOOD NIGHT NURSE. FINISH AND KLAAR.
fARK SOrrY CAPs.
8 Nov 2011, 09:25 am
Schalla – arguably one of the most likable rugby players in the country has not yet taken his provincial team to Currie Cup/Super rugby success.
Not sure why there is suddenly this view that WP/Stormers are where we need to look to for national leadership.
It is now 10 years since Province won the Currie Cup; I’ve said a few years ago that they have become a ‘next year team’ in other words, next year we will do this and that, only to express disappointment at the end of the season that objectives were not achieved.
Year after year.
A fear of failure has become part of the WP psyche especially at the business end of the competition and is now 2nd only to the ABs world cup choking.
ABs remain the thought leaders on rugby choking, they are best at it – there can be no doubt.
8 Nov 2011, 09:31 am
Some of you are building Bissie up 2 be this infallable super human rugby player which he is not. It doesnt seem 2 matter is u r given proof. Maybe if u cleared your mind and think back you will see that he did nothing fantastic in the last Bok game, stats were posted earlier on, what sticks out is 50 percent tackes missed, go back about a page and read please.
As 4 the Sharks/Lions game, what did he do there ? He was dominated by Lions players most of the game.
Please note, i have not ranted and raved, just told u my opinion with out insulting you and your opinions, because that is what they are. Doesnt matter how many times u repeat something and how nasty u get, it wont make it a fact.
8 Nov 2011, 09:32 am
Why does keo.co.za have the University of the Western Cape logo on this site?
What are they trying to tell us?
Is that their ‘struggle credentials’ ? Something like: they have You-dubs’ logo on the site therefore they fought for the emancipations of the peoples of South Africa.
Well, I just dont buy it. Keo is a kiwi, there can be no doubt.
8 Nov 2011, 09:33 am
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-703: keep singing your pathetic COMPROMISED lame excuses
The ONLY reason we lost to Aussie in the 1/4 final was due to playing our BEST players last and our weaker players FIRST.. THAT was the f’ng COMPROMISE that KILLED the Bok..
You dumb fck ignoramus self deluded pathetic excuse schmuck !!
You gonna give that cappy marvelous of yours ALL the latitude to carry his esteem all the way into the hall of fame after LOSING 11 times from 13 starts in 2 YEARS AND LOSING the 6th game to Aussie on the trot under his defunct HOPELESS defunct leadership at the WC where it was proposed how VITAL a leadership ingredient he was to bring to the party.. which he DID NOT!!!
Had Bismark and Alberts started.. and Burger NOT made the focal point of EVERY attack phase ball.. Boks would have annihilated Australia on the day.. Brussow or Frans Steyn missing or NOT… Bryce the schmyce blowing skeef or NOT.. Boks starting with Bismark over Smit and Alberts over Spies and there was NO WAY in HELL Aussie would have gotten near to the lucky win they got..
Burger lost the game because the platform of Smit and Spies was wrong.. Brussow could NOT protect his ruck ball huddle and it was hacked into Aussie hands for a soft try…
Burger LOST the ball on Aussie try line and got it ripped off him when once more he went on one his ineffective solo gain line breaching runs.. so did FdP lose it on the line off a Bismark charge down.. However had Bismark and Alberts started the game it would have been OVER by half time
WITHOUT a DOUBT!!
8 Nov 2011, 09:35 am
@ufo(ufo)-701:
Yeah RIP to Smokin’ Joe…Have u seen Facing Ali documentary? Excellent stuff. Away from the hoopla, Frazier was a likeable old man. Feisty and very emotional.A pitbul.
One thing that documentary shows is how boxing debilitates post career…especially physically. Norton,Frazier etc….Walking wrecks… But wow,wasnt boxing great back then? Legends.
Frazier one of the greatest.Quintessential example of what dogged determination gets you.
8 Nov 2011, 09:40 am
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-705:
Bismark is / was in the PRIME of his rugby playing life.. Smit was a walking has been who was hanging on for his last hurrah’s promo into the inimitable hall of fame for evermore as the only captain to lift Bill twice.. THAT is what it was ALL about..
Smit’s grandiose expectation to be bigger than the team and bigger than the game at the COST of a younger more robust contributor to the cause and at a COST to the overall success of the team and the country..
it FAILED as it Rightfully ought to do.. You CANNOT expect to CARRY a player for the sake of his overrated esteem and prestige at the COST of playing the most robust effective loose ripping hooker on the planet..
THAT and THAT alone is what COST the Boks the WC.. and that is FACT !!
8 Nov 2011, 09:43 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-707:
Oh, skop, oh shampoo, oh ye of fruit-battish EQ – your constant polemic is no more than OPINION. It is not FACT. I know in that toilet-wall-building life of yours, you are the king. Your foreign labourers bow at your yellow-nailed feet. And so on and so forth.
But in the real world, opinion is not fact. Something you and Gwantie, with your grandeur delusions, seem not able to grasp.
But carry on with your filthy-mouth philosophy. It seems to make you happy. And by the sounds of your vitriol, you need all the happiness you can get.
8 Nov 2011, 10:10 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-709:
Oh, and p.s., Grumps, I would’ve started Bissie, too. I would’ve benched Smittie and not even brought him onto the field unless Bissie was injured or ran out of steam.
But that’s not the sole reason we lost. See my above list (the Bissie as starter falls into the etc, etc bulletin).
Of course, that’s all just my OPINION.
8 Nov 2011, 10:23 am
Hooker 22,
You need to understad that Ollie Le Roux (ashampoopaloo) will only be happy if Smit is slandered.
You see, Alberts & Bissy broke the line so often in the last 30 minutes of the QF that it makes sense to think they would have dominated that advantage line in the first 50 when the Aussies were even fresher.
I am afraid that arguing with Ollie Le Roux is like arguing with a woman. They do not let things like logic ruin a good ‘bit**ing” session.
I have said the same thing many times, that I would not have started Smit, but alas, some people need something to hold onto. WE lost that QF (and indeed the past 2 years) in my opinion, becaue of our inability to break defences in oiur backs. Hardly a fault of 1 man, but more a collective fault of selections, tactics, coaching & execution.
8 Nov 2011, 10:28 am
@BULLET(BULLET)-712:
I hear you. I guess with old uncle skop, it’s a case of “stupid is as stupid says”.
8 Nov 2011, 10:33 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-707:
You are a complete lunatic. In fact, I’d describe what you have as narcissism. That is, you regard your view, your opinion, as the only thing that’s valid. So valid, that you are able to call them FACTS, with no sense of doubt in your mind. You’re unable to interact politely and properly with people, evidenced in every thing you post here.
All of this points to a personality disorder, and as I say, I think narcissism fits pretty well.
8 Nov 2011, 10:58 am
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-710:
Listen schmuckaroo its You ALONE amongst the rest of the Smittykinsmen apologetically deluded numbskulls who are UNABLE to SEE the FACTS that starting Smit above Bismark is what DERAILED Boks hopes of defending their WC title..
You Smitty arselicks are the ones STILL living in all manner of conspired and ulterior EXCUSES as to Why Boks LOST in the 1/4 final which was SAME way they LOST every OTHER time Smit led them to LOSS after LOSS after LOSS vs SAME Aussie and NZ counterparts…
Your eyes are the ones that are BLINDED by pathetic apologetic compromise where you were so enthralled by a defunct non existed leadership which led the Boks to one more ULTIMATE LOSS!!
IMBECILIC and DELUDED Dumb compromised excuses which KILLED the Boks at the World Cup, and nothing else BUT THAT!!
8 Nov 2011, 11:10 am
I’d just love to SEE these SharkieVarkie f’ng APOLOGISTS had it been lets say LUKE WATSON, heaven forbid, or ANYONE ELSE, Bismark or Matfield included, who dragged the Bok team and the saffa rugby loving public ambitions THROUGH the f’ng MUD and OUT the World Cup on the proposal that it was HIS OWN desire to be crowned immortality God of SA rugby
Yeah I’d just love to SEE these SAME IDIOT SharkieVarkie Smittybumkin apologists had it been ANYONE else who put their OWN vainglory fckdup ambitions AHEAD of their team and their country’s!!
And YES No.15 it is OUTRIGHT FACT, had Bismark started ahead of Smit the numerical potential and the motivational plus physical intensity behind Boks onslaught toward eclipsing the Aussie bugbear which has OVERRIDDEN Smit’s LOSING psyche in recent years would have simply been a fete a compli, Boks would have annihilated Australia on the day with Bismark AND Alberts at the forefront of the Bok onslaught.. Without ANY shadow of ANY DOUBT!!
8 Nov 2011, 11:14 am
@Number15(Number15)-714:
Narcissistic Leprechaun Disorder.
with a side order of Tourettes.
Fatal.
8 Nov 2011, 11:21 am
Pdv and Smit GAMBLED and FAILED with the COMPROMISE oF playing their WEAK players upfront and bringing their STRENGTH players off the bench.., which BACKFIRED and FAILED
EXACTLY as Mallet COMPROMISED and GAMBLED and FAILED with playing Jannie de Beer over Honiball so did Pdv and Smit GAMBLE and compromise and FAIL by playing Bismark AND Alberts off Bench and NOT starting..!!
And THAT is what denied and derailed Boks chances of a successful RWC campaign.., that and THAT ALONE and NOTHING ELSE .., and THAT is absolute FACT!!
8 Nov 2011, 11:23 am
@Gunther(gunther)-717:
I actually think labeling him with “disorders” merely sugar coats the fact that he’s just a very stupid person.
He ignores anything that doesn’t support his agenda, he assumes things not in evidence, he repeats himself ad nauseum, he contradicts himself ad nauseum, his vocab while colourful is limited to a few catchphrases, and he says a whole damn lot without saying anything.
Hell, he should run for politics.
(You may have a point, however, about The Tourettes)
8 Nov 2011, 11:25 am
And he thinks that stating his opinion IN CAPS makes it a fact. He’s like my five year old son. Only less sophisticated.
8 Nov 2011, 11:25 am
@Gunther(gunther)-717:
You looking to get smacked from here to timbuktu you pathetic little poefiefied impregnated MORON!!
8 Nov 2011, 11:27 am
And YES No.15 it is OUTRIGHT FACT, had Bismark started ahead of Smit the numerical potential and the motivational plus physical intensity…
fete a compli.
nothing of what you say is fact , merely the ramblings of a deranged pygmy with a poisonous mind.
shut up hillbilly before you embraboer yourself any further.
8 Nov 2011, 11:31 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-721:
Threats of violence?
Wow. Such an enlightened vegetable eater.
8 Nov 2011, 11:42 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-708:
Smokin Joe was favourite boxer of all time.
His only down side, was his festering hatred of Cassius Clay. (he would never call him Muhammad Ali, “if it was good enough for his Mama to call him Cassius, it’s good enough for me”.)
8 Nov 2011, 11:45 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-721:
seriously???
sheeesus whatafuckingknob.
give it up.
8 Nov 2011, 11:50 am
@Gunther(gunther)-725: @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-721:
You Guys were going head to toe 24 hours ago.
Have you two had any sleep?
8 Nov 2011, 11:56 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-718: stop talking sh it please, no one cares.
8 Nov 2011, 12:03 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-726:
I’ve had a lovely nine hours thank you.
Fuckadilly the goatfucker is still on his amphetamine binge.
I expect him to chew his own arm off shortly.
That’s if his dentures are up to the job.
8 Nov 2011, 12:05 pm
Not threats of violence threats of calling this poefiefied pompous pathetic ponsified pratts bluff and putting him in his place.. This what it IS
This argument actually got fckall to do with this poefiefied ponsified pratt who actually knows very LITTLE in relation to rugby, especially winning rugby…so if he wanna make it his business with his pathetic infatuated overblown over aggrandized excuses and opinion of himself let the poefta try…. Hell come off second best??
Yet it STILL Don’t alter the FACT that the reason Boks got bundled out the WC in the 1/4 final is because they COMPROMISED by playing Smit over Bismark..
Absolute undeniable inviolable undoubted FACT!!
8 Nov 2011, 12:19 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-729:
shut up.
Who the arseingfuck are YOU to put anybody in their place.
you sad pathetic creature.
I think the rabbi threw away the wrong bit.
8 Nov 2011, 12:29 pm
@718, 721 & 729:
OLLIE OLLIE OLLIE!!!!
OI OI OI
OLLIE OLLIE OLLIE
OI OI OI
OLLIE – OI
OLLIE – OI
OLLIE OLLIE OLLIE
OI OI OI
8 Nov 2011, 12:30 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-729: “calling this poefiefied pompous pathetic ponsified pratts bluff and putting him in his place..”
That’s a double espresso bipolar alliteration if ever I’ve seen one.
8 Nov 2011, 12:31 pm
I’m always amused by the Sham poo / Snotskiet diatribes although I only glance at them. It’s quite sad that someone who is clearly passionate and vaguely knowledgable about rugby cannot keep foul language and racial slurs out of his arguments (if you can call his rants that). But I suppose it’s typical of SA and typifies the “moer hulle” mentality of many SA rugby fans.
Schalk was one of snottie’s targets so its very pleasing to see him (Scahalk that is) honoured with the award and shows up how little Snottie knows about rugby. Although of course all the judges etc could be wrong and Snottie right! Yeah, likely.
Lastly about Hooks22 list. Quite a few on that list are caused by poor player management and coaching that is the clear and direct responsibility of PDivvy and brain dead Dicky.
He, he Jake White would easily have won back to back RWC’s with this group of players!
8 Nov 2011, 12:31 pm
another SharkieVarkie Smitty arselick rangerprude disciple enters the fray.., another moronic imbecile idiot who cannot and WILL not accept that his overrated over aggrandized self seeking defunct aura’s incapacity of captaincy screwedup and derailed the Boks chances and ambitions for the sake of his OWN personal vainglory ambitions..
Facts remain what they ARE had Boks played Bismark ahead of Smit they would have succeeded where the converse resulted in a FAIL!!
Suck it up Smitty apologetic compromisers those are the undeniable FACTS!
8 Nov 2011, 12:34 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-729:
No matter how loudly you shout (empty barrels and all) there’s only one immutable FACT as to why the springboks lost to the Aussies. Just one. You ready… listen carefully….
The Ozzies scored more points than the bokke did.
That, ou doosie is the only FACT!
The rest is speculation, opinion, conjecture, supposition, etc, etc, guided by one’s own personal belief system and inherent biases.
Simple really. Like a village idiot.
8 Nov 2011, 12:45 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-698:
I can here to watch a grown man cry.
And you never dissapoint
8 Nov 2011, 12:47 pm
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-735: One day its Smittie’s fault, the next, all Bryce’s.
Too much uppers and downers I’m afraid.
8 Nov 2011, 12:49 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-724:
Yeah but to be fair to Frazier,the media & Ali antagonized him to no end. What most hurt Frazier was Ali accusing him to be a “Uncle Tom” and the inferring that he was more “Black” than Frazier and champion of the Black cause. This was especially debilitating for Frazier as there was huge Black power movement during that time and it sort of alienated him for his own black community somewhat. He hated that…..all that was fabricated by media & Ali….Ali played on it for decades.
Frazier was an awesome fighter. But he did catch Ali after he was banned which robbed Ali of the greatest years in the ring-his ultimate peak as an athlete. From the time he beat Liston to the period he was banned…No one would have even touched him. Was robbed of his quickness and rightful dominance.
But Frazier still the first and ONLY man to beat Ali close to his peak… And to a lesser extent Ken Norton. otherwise not worth documenting.
8 Nov 2011, 12:49 pm
Huthky the pathetic snotty nosed fuckthky lithping through his falth toothies about Jake the f’ng Thnake.
Hailing Jake the pathetic thnake as his hero on the outers
I say pity that pathetic schmuck DIDN’T get another chance at the world cup he would have gotten so pathetically fucked up it wouldn’t even be remotely funny!!
His entire claim to fame was getting fucked up by 49 points to Zero with a win loss ratio vs NZ of played 10 LOST 7.. Hand over fist LOSSES to France AND Ireland and FLUKING a WC hanging on for dear f’ng life to Eddy Jones’s arms in besotted embrace beating NONE other but 13th rank Fiji, 6th rank Argentina and 7th rank England by 5 penalties to 2 to be hailed by pathetic arsecreeps like this Huthky fckup
Its no wonder this Huthky Puthky moron is STILL up Jake the Fakes miserable arse as well as up his poefiefied cappy marvelous Boks overrated nemesis Smittykin’s…
8 Nov 2011, 13:07 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-708:
Sorry bud… been out of office…
Yeah… couldn’t agree more… those guys were legends and boxing seemed way more ‘real’ back then. Used to listen to all the matches on radio and wait for the papers to publish some photos…
Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton and others sporting gods IMO…
today i don’t know the name of one heavyweight champ…
and as great as the Pacman is… nothing beats watching two well-matched true heavyweights dooking it out over 15 rounds…!!
But you’re right man… they all suffered physical damage to their brains and it caught up with them in retirement… a great shame to see The Greatest like he is today and compare him to what he was when he ruled the world…!
Real boxers..!!
8 Nov 2011, 13:09 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-739: kuk man.
we lost against arsetralia because we didnt take our chances and frans steyn wasnt there to take the long shots.
8 Nov 2011, 13:12 pm
honestly fuckadilly and gwantie are like keo’s version of thelma and louise.
bff riding off the keo cliff into cyberspace.
we wish them well.
8 Nov 2011, 13:12 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-734: the only FACT here is that you talk a huge load of sh it.
in fact you are simply fact-up.
8 Nov 2011, 13:15 pm
@ufo(ufo)-740:
do you think fuckadilly may have been a pro boxer?
he seems to have taken a lot of punishment soewhere in life.
and he is always issuing invitations to beatdowns.
the guy is more aggro than Brian Mitchell on a three day coke bender.
8 Nov 2011, 13:23 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-744: sparring partner for Baby Jake but got fired ‘cos Jakey had to keep bending down to moer him.
8 Nov 2011, 13:32 pm
@My nr1 nr2 too(trupisero)-745: @Gunther(gunther)-744:
ag shampoop is ok.
gwantie is a knut.
8 Nov 2011, 13:36 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-746: ashampoopal is probably a victim of circumstance, but as you say, the smuggler is just a dumb knut
8 Nov 2011, 13:38 pm
@My nr1 nr2 too(trupisero)-747: yip.
justwugby’s leash holder is the real cancer like his hero lukie.
8 Nov 2011, 13:44 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-614:
well im not quite sure who is deluded, but if you think Smit at 32 is better than Bismarck then i think its more likely you that is deluded. And i’m not alone, Sean Fitzpatrick and many others, who are extremely respectful of Smit, are simply dumbstruck how the Springboks decided to bench Bismarck.
No, thats alot of nonsense, Bismarck was clearly the better player, its a complete injustice. Its a load of crappola.
8 Nov 2011, 13:46 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-744:
hehehe gunther…
started writing… and before i knew it… had to stop myself…!!
so editing it down…
i reckon skop challenged John Smit and Schalk Burger to “get smacked from here to timbuktu you pathetic little poefiefied impregnated MORONS!!”
and we have to live with the result…!!
8 Nov 2011, 14:06 pm
@ufo(ufo)-750:
self-editing?
that’s the thing about legends, they don’t waste their time with arsecreeps like fuckadilly the fucknut frikkadel.
It was more likely one of his “workers” who rebelled at the thought of being forced to eat lentils for the 30th day in a row.
8 Nov 2011, 14:13 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-751:
hehehe…
just keeping it brief…
yeah… they are both legends of world rugby, let alone bok rugby… and nothing anyone says to discredit them will alter that fact…
8 Nov 2011, 14:31 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-751:
A site a quick-witted chap like yourself and a few others might like whilst there is no more rugby and you’re not too busy owning Gwantie and the rabod old dog…
http://www.27bslash6.com/foggot.html
8 Nov 2011, 14:41 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-753: lololololololololololol am busy reading it, hilarious.
8 Nov 2011, 14:44 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-753:
that guy is offf the reservation.
8 Nov 2011, 17:00 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-753:
8 Nov 2011, 22:59 pm
@cab(cab)-749:
It’s not a complete injustice. It’s happened many times before where players A is selected over player B, and certain types of fans throw tantrums about it. And it will happen many times more, in every country.
That’s the way rugby is, a team game, with a coach having to make tough decisions and balance much more than just who the fans think is currently playing better.
8 Nov 2011, 23:02 pm
Oh and another thing to Ollieshampoo, Grant and all you other lunatics. It’s *YOU* guys who are carrying on, rather pathetically, about Smit. You’re incapable of letting go? Just so I know, how long can I expect you guys to bear grudges?
For the sakes of your keyboards, which must be covered in spittle and dented in the extreme, perhaps time to move on?
8 Nov 2011, 23:22 pm
@Number15(Number15)-758: I will hold that grudge against the fat boy and the spineless jelly fish till I die !
Just for the record
8 Nov 2011, 23:23 pm
@Number15(Number15)-757: stop making excuses you spineless jellyfish
9 Nov 2011, 01:37 am
@grant10(grant10)-759:
That’s because you’re a sad **** with no life…
Fancy waking up every day for the last two months and posting 1000′s of repetitive posts of vitriol on a topic as unimportant as a game of rugby… every day!
And forcing your daily negativity upon the hundreds of other bloggers who really don’t give a shite what your opinion is anymore!
You’re the least respected poster on Keo alongside the rabid old dog and boy that takes some mean feat!
It’s no wonder your wife left you!
9 Nov 2011, 02:14 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-761: wow ouch
9 Nov 2011, 02:44 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-761:
Bryce.
All good with giving a bit of a serving to some of these guys but private life matters should not be used.
I was having a laugh until i hit the last part of your post.
9 Nov 2011, 03:21 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-763:
Jolting a bit of common-sense into over-emotional online buffoons with serious mental issues before they slip further down the abyss… it’s an unconventional thankless job Hurricane, pays terribly but can be extremely rewarding…
I will soldier on unselfishly…
9 Nov 2011, 03:30 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-764:
I’d actually on numerous occasions suggested to Roy that an ignore button (like I have for my subscribers on my site) might be the way to go until, upon contemplation, quickly realised the further disastrous consequences it might have to the patients dwindling mental health.
A site where the only other bloggers the patient would have to communicate with (after being ignored by the previous 474 inhabitants) would be the dribbling ramblings of a rabid old dog and the nauseating dutiful acceptance of his blood brother till the very cyber end JustBuggery…
It would just not be cricket…
9 Nov 2011, 05:07 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-764:
Well i suppose someone has to do the dirty job Bryce
9 Nov 2011, 16:48 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-765: How’s this schmuck face reckon he is the epitome of mental equilibrium.. pathetic little snot nosed arsholes the likes of these pontifical holier than thou prats who think they represent the higher echelons of human intelligence or moral standard are the pitiful kind of garbage that need to get a very quick rectifier straight to their self absorbed gargantuan ego’s and piffle arse fatfuck opinions of themselves…
same goes for this Smitty arsecreep here@Number15(Number15)-758: would just love to see these Sharkievarkie Smit van Winkel gatkruip pretenders be so leniently compromising and hail hero worship accepting if it were some other punkass self righteous prat who buried the Bok trying to use his overrated influence to further his own self aggrandized self absorbed vainglorious cause..
9 Nov 2011, 22:32 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-767:
So, just to be clear, you do or don’t like Smit?
10 Nov 2011, 00:09 am
@Number15(Number15)-757:
That is a fair point, but the non-selection of Bismarck was a complete injustice. You are correct that fans have subjective views, but this was a completely berserk decision. In fact, PdV had selected Bismarck to start at hooker two years ago already, forcing Smit out to 3, and resulting in the best set of results under his tenure, so what happened that Smit was able to start ahead of Bismarck when he was 2 years older after a set of terrible results with a pattern of six straight defeats under Australia.
It was a terrible decision and a total injustice. I tell you what I will ask you a very simple question: Do you believe even as a Smit supporter that Smit was a better player than Bismarck?
It was a complete injustice to Bismarck, and in fact to anyone who is passed over for someone that is not as good as them. Its pisspoort Smit had his moment in the sun, and instead now Bismarck time will have come and gone, he will never be in the this sort of commanding form in 4 years time.
10 Nov 2011, 00:36 am
@Number15(Number15)-758: @bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-761: @bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-764: And there we have it. The TRUTH to a TEE.
Yes!!!
10 Nov 2011, 00:40 am
Dingbats abound on this farken thread
10 Nov 2011, 00:50 am
its really pretty simple, we;ve all got an opinion, you want to proclaim Smit better than Bismarck, go convince someone else, not me, total bullshit.
10 Nov 2011, 02:44 am
@cab(cab)-772:
I’m yet to see one person on this entire site stating that… the argument is whether he is the sole reason the Boks lost the 2011 RWC… much like blaming the ref… is as much subjective ignorance as one expects from fools on this site!
That kind of ‘illogic’ is what will keep the Boks from learning from their actual short-comings and the real reason they lost…
-two missed penalties
-having only one solution to Pocock namely including Brussouw
-failure to adapt to the ref’s ‘non policing’ of the break-downs after the second half and protect own ball with powerful cleaning out on own ball and counter-rucking on opposition ball
-heading into the last 20 minutes with over 70% of possession and territory (unheard of) not one attempt to take the several drop-goal opportunities… just persisting with blunt attack from backs and forwards against the best defensive stats in a RWC 1/4 final
-within the above they failed to even try and rolling maul from 5 out
-winning 30% of Australian LO ball, they resisted reverting back to a more tactical kicking game.
One would have thought that with Bismark, Alberts, Hougaard all coming onto the field with 30 minutes to go they’d be just the tonic for some impact… they simply were not, they missed tackles, failed to breach the advantage line and they made not one line-break… and the foolish swinging ball left-and-right continued until they lost!
But if you want to continue on like the rabid old dog and that other over-emotional fruit-cake… continue on…
10 Nov 2011, 03:25 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-773:
Right on the money Bryce.
10 Nov 2011, 06:20 am
right OFF the money bullshit artists unite
The SOLE reason Boks lost the 1/4 final vs Australia is for ONE reason ONLY
Compromised selection of Smit over Bismark and only secondly favoring Spies over Alberts and FdP over Hougaard. The gamble FAILED as it was BOUND to do..sentimentalist bullshit cowardly COMPROMISED Selection of Smit starting ahead of Bismark is what Fckd the Boks out the world cup…that and THAT ALONE,., and nothing ELSE but!!
Carry on defending that punk of a self centered captain of yours, the favoritist outright BLINDNESS of selecting that self centered bullshit is EXACTLY what destroyed Boks out the WC .., and THAT is IT..,
Stupid sentimentalist TRASH compromise excuses and led by these moron Smitty gatkruip idiots like this Bryce the pathetic arsehole Aussie wannabbee Myce and his SharkieVarkie arselicks like HG and No.15 seeking condoned excuses and justifications for selecting the has been cn’t Smit which was the SOLE reason Boks lost the 1/4 final vs Australia and NOTHING ELSE but THAT!!
10 Nov 2011, 06:39 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-775:
I’ve had a fantastic day today… my site’s subscriptions have topped 60k investors today, the rain has cleared, the organic vege garden is going nuts and I’m off to Milawa for a food and wine festival in a few hours… how has your day started?
Oh yeah same old same old 1000 tortured, dribbling, rabid posts of diatribe for breakfast!
Toodles…
10 Nov 2011, 06:52 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-776: hey martha farker…..i divorced at 26 hears old p ussy…….have had the most amazing life ever…..so you want to compare lives do it off line p ussy…..not here…..
You need a corrective snotty on the nose……I would gladly oblige……
you a big windgat sitting 1000s of kms away…..cowardly dingo dog…
10 Nov 2011, 06:53 am
@grant10(grant10)-777: and PS
Plod cost us the WC and that will be his legacy to bear…..live with it….p ussy
10 Nov 2011, 07:02 am
pathetic cowardly arselick cowards UP that selfish fatfucks backside looking for ALL manner of excuses and justifications outside of the ONE SOLE reason why Boks lost staring them in their condoning cowardly compromising faces…
There were MANY ifs and buts and coulda’s and shoulda’s about that game, legions of them.., like a blind as bat cowardly creep IRB stooge ref for one, or a useless strategy of having the blunt instrument non effective battering ram Burger do ALL the solo runs and ball carries to never never land, or the missed drop by Lambie, the forward pass by JDV, the missed collect by FdP over the line from a Bismark charge down, the inability of Burger to carry the ball over under the posts having FAILED again to carry it through the Aussie defensive line and have it ripped off him on the ground, the non effect of Brussow who was injury ridden before he started and who failed to protect same numbskull Burger from getting manhandled in front of his own post gifting Aussie the softest try against run of play they could possibly have dreamt of, thousands of shoulda, woulda and coulda reasons WHY Boks lost that game…, EXCEPT for the ONE SOLE shoulda woulda reason… And THAT sole reason was the ONE reason that ACTUALLY would have brought the bacon home…
Had Boks NOT gambled and COMPROMISED by playing their WEAK starters first, SMIT, SPIES, FDP, and elected to play their STRONG vanguard from kick off BISMARK, ALBERTS, HOUGAARD, It would have been an absolute whitewash and Aussie would NEVER have been ANYWHERE in that game…
THOSE are the telling shoulda woulda and coulda’s that WOULD have resulted in a RESOUNDING bok victory, and NONE of the other compromised cowardly arsecreep excuses would have EVER come into effect…
Suck it up and JUSTIFY the lame f’ng cowardly and COMPROMISED decision to play a slow ineffective self seeking Smit over a rampaging raring to go balls to the wall Bismark till nanny wipes your pathetic sniveling Smitty wet eyes and chickensh’t arses,,.. The FACTS remain what they are…, the WRONG decision to play Smit ahead of Bismark is what stuffed the Boks out the world cup.., that decision ALONE is what destroyed the Boks chances and NONE nor ANY of all the other prevailing excuses or compromising justified shoulda coulda or woulda reasons whatsoever!
10 Nov 2011, 07:04 am
Going to the crickey today?
10 Nov 2011, 07:09 am
every single day for the rest of there lives the ‘Plod at all costs brigade ‘ will have to live with the FACT that pdv [ spineless jellyfiskh ] and there Fatboy collectively colluded a dismal quarter final exit……equalling our worst ever WCresult……this with the best squad ever!
Bloody torpedoed by ego, self glory seeking and in PDV s case a complete lack of strength of character……
That is the ultimate truth and reality.
10 Nov 2011, 07:11 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-779:
@grant10(grant10)-778:
Not the best start to the day again for you two then we see?
10 Nov 2011, 07:19 am
@grant10(grant10)-781:
Quite the contrary… it seems it’s only you two raving narcissistic lunatics that cannot deal with it…
John Smit, Victor Matfield and FDP rode off into the sunset as the most successful, not too mention most capped Boks we will ever see… and that my over-aged EMO friends is exactly what the history books already read and will continue to for the rest of your miserable lives…
See you tomorrow morning first thing for another ‘great’ wound-up start to the day for the pair of you… oh that’s right… I’ll be participating in a rare vertical tasting of Brown Brother’s Patricia range… what a shame!
As you were…
10 Nov 2011, 08:20 am
long as these fatfunk punks and the prima donna prats got their hundreds of caps and their self centered prestige stashed away nicely inside their prima donna treasure chests who the fck cares about the bok its all about them and their fatfunk prestige and personal ambitions which is exactly w
10 Nov 2011, 08:31 am
@Gunther(gunther)-780: no Gunther
I enjoyed yesterday immensely……got there 2 overs before lunch……so missed first 2 wickets…..but had a great afternoon cricket….
10 Nov 2011, 08:33 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-784: 00which is exactly wrong with bok rugby about self centered personal ambitions and not about the team., this is what stuffed boks out the WC that alone and punkeyed half arse excuses of supporters such as this Smitten arselick Bryce myce is exactly0what is wromg with bok supporters0
10 Nov 2011, 08:33 am
@Gunther(gunther)-780: plan to go early Sat morning and get my spot under the oaks…
10 Nov 2011, 08:39 am
and whats wrong with this phone be2use it cant spell
10 Nov 2011, 10:08 am
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-773:
If Bismarck is better then Smit, and you as a supporter of Smit acknowledge that is uncontestable, then that is exactly why so many ppl are so furious.
That is the entire matter is a nutshell.
At the top level its a matter of millimetres and by not selecting your best players to play as long as possible, you give the team a competitive disadvantage, and yes one player can make a difference, a massive difference even. And for that there are two ppl to blame, PdV for not selecting Bismack and Smit for not standing aside for the team as he did two years ago.
13 Nov 2011, 23:42 pm
Hi guys new kid on the blog so be gentle, looking forward to some good rugby banter
14 Nov 2011, 00:06 am
@happyfeet(happyfeet)-790: Welcome. You will get lots of banter here, not much related to rugby though. If you have a thick skin, you will do just fine. PS you may wish to comment on the recent threads if you want to see any action.
Which provincial team do you support?
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