McCaw incident moves IRB to action
9 Nov 2011
The International Rugby Board is considering extending the window that allows them to cite players for foul play.
This after they were prevented from acting upon evidence of serious foul play during last month’s World Cup final involving France’s Aurelien Rougerie and New Zealand skipper Richie McCaw.
Television footage showed Rougerie raking his hand across McCaw’s face and the governing body believes the midfielder would have faced a lengthy ban had this evidence arisen within the 36-hour window in which citings could happen.
‘The International Rugby Board can confirm that no action can be taken to initiate a citing case following an alleged act of foul play during the Rugby World Cup 2011 Final on 23 October,’ the IRB statement said.
‘[IRB's citing commissioner] Scott Nowland has determined that he cannot cite the alleged act of foul play as the footage emerged outside the citing period and he is unable to bring the matter within the exceptional circumstances provisions contained in the Tournament Disciplinary Rules which deal principally with mistaken identity and where further time is required to identify a player who may have committed an act of foul play.
“Both Unions have been advised of the outcome. The IRB and Rugby World Cup Limited take all acts of foul play seriously. The ongoing review of Regulation 17 governing the disciplinary process will give consideration to tournament rules and IRB Regulations to consider either extending the citing periods or widening the remit of the exceptional circumstance provisions to deal with the emergence of evidential materials following the elapse of the citing period.’
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9 Nov 2011, 08:52 am
I think that foul play like this should not have a citation period. If evidence comes up 2 years after the incident, I say ban the damn player!
9 Nov 2011, 08:55 am
Much like drugging in cycling. Who cares how ,uch later the evidence comes up. Cheating is cheating.
9 Nov 2011, 08:59 am
yada yada yada.
9 Nov 2011, 09:08 am
love to see this come back to bite the all blacks.
9 Nov 2011, 09:16 am
In the last 5 minutes of the Final,
Froggiess gave Ritchie a good working over.
Cometh the hour, Cometh the man.
No retaliation.
Bill came home.
And I don’t think he will away……..
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Again.
9 Nov 2011, 09:25 am
I can’t help but feel that most instances of foul play are born out of frustration arising from poor/slanted reffing.
I know that this is never an excuse but once again we are not addressing the cause……which is piss poor reffing at the moment.
9 Nov 2011, 09:26 am
how many times haven’t the boks been told…
take it on the chin… the citing window is closed… should’ve got your paper work in on time etc etc…
now we make a bigger window for richie….
once again the rib pandering to the all blacks and changing the rules to molly-coddle them…
9 Nov 2011, 09:27 am
sorry…
IRB
9 Nov 2011, 09:29 am
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-5: and McCheat rammed his knee into a Froggies face – watchout kiwis where have 40+ cameras for test matches in the RSA we are bound to pick up something from your filthy players!
9 Nov 2011, 09:38 am
@ufo(ufo)-7:
The All Blacks have never commented on this incident.
The All Blacks never asked for Rougerie to be cited.
This Press release originated in Dublin.
9 Nov 2011, 09:43 am
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-10:
cane… now you’re being waaaay too defensive bud… doth the caner protestith too much…?
the point i made… and it is valid whether you agree or not…
is that the IRB is pandering to the All Blacks… again….!!
9 Nov 2011, 10:15 am
IRB very smart here, AB’s are the golden goose and they know it, some smart operators at IRB HQ
9 Nov 2011, 10:18 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-6: Agree think it is frustration from players when refs just not doing their job properly.
9 Nov 2011, 10:19 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-4:
Well chances are if we do play the boks we probably well get biten.
@ufo(ufo)-7:
So you think this should not be sorted out and this silly window be changed.
If i were i would thank me lucky stars that this window was only 36 hours, i think even more Bok players would have been banned
9 Nov 2011, 10:21 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-9:
Didnt Quade do sort of the same thing to McCaw and majority on here said he was only getting up and it was an accident?
9 Nov 2011, 10:23 am
time for a shake up at the IRB.
It’s becoming embraboer.
9 Nov 2011, 10:25 am
@ufo(ufo)-11:
If the IRB were pandering to the NZRFU,
then NZ would be getting half the gate takings, next time we play in the Fishtank.
So no, the IRB do not, and never have pandered to NZ, or anyone else most likely.
The IRB are who exactly ufo?
Why would the Member Nations pander to anyone?
9 Nov 2011, 10:29 am
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA)-12: All Blacks are the golden goose that made a massive financial loss at the world cup!
IRB are just useless and need gouging themselves. We can’t do our job properly, so everyone else must suffer…. Wonder if Mealamu and Umaga can be banned from all forms rugby participation for life now when they tried to kill Brian O’Driscoll in the Lions?
9 Nov 2011, 10:31 am
Load of **** , why now only ? Becos of Mccaw ? I agree with the ruling as a whole but the timing stinks !!
9 Nov 2011, 10:32 am
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-17:
half the takings at the fishtank? that’s not pandering that’s pandaraping.
bum deal.
why would we want half the takings at those 30,000 seater cattle pens you call stadiums?
you take you gate and we’ll take ours.
then why on earth would they change citing regs that have been in place for years.
because it’s too late to punish the nasty frenchie for touching ritchie up?
explain the thinking behind that to us peasants.
9 Nov 2011, 10:40 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-18:
In football you can get carded for pretending to fall. I think Brussow should be carded as well for jumping six foot in the air and collapsing on the ground. He cheated and got a penalty. These are the sort of things that IRB need to address as well.
9 Nov 2011, 10:41 am
@Gunther(gunther)-20:
Write to the IRB and ask them.
Nothing to do with us.
If we wanted Rougerie cited,
we would have cited him.
We didn’t.
Does The Peasantry now comprehend?
9 Nov 2011, 10:42 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-15: no not the majority – no way that 10,000 bloggers would condone filthy acts – maybe you thinking the majority of Aussie bloggers
9 Nov 2011, 10:46 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-21: Agree totally with you on that one mate. But It might make Italy a better team if the IRB don’t address it!!
9 Nov 2011, 10:49 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-23:
hahaha yeah maybe.
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-24:
lol Italy the masters of the fall.
9 Nov 2011, 10:50 am
@Gunther(gunther)-16: quite right…first the haka, then PoB prostating himself to apologise to GH for the wrong scrum calls against italy, now this.
when habana was clothes-lined by lauaki & the citing commissioner missed the deadline, sanzar or the irb didn’t think it was time to change the rules, but now it is richie so “oohh we have to do something.”
9 Nov 2011, 10:53 am
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-22:
lol Cane, i really think your wasting your time with Gunther.
He is complaining about changes in rugby. I am sure he complained bitterly when the points for a try went from 3 points to 4 then oh no it went to 5 points for a try…..damn Kiwis,its our fault
9 Nov 2011, 10:56 am
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-17:
that just doesn’t wash cane…
you’re still being soooo defensive….
wtf has not giving the nzru money got to do with proving that the IRB is not pandering to the nzru by changing it’s rules to suit an incident involving the ab legend mccaw…?
ffs… that’s sounds like something one of our inept government fools would say…
“it wasn’t corruption because they didn’t give me money… and my new farm was a birthday gift”…!!
9 Nov 2011, 10:59 am
@ufo(ufo)-28:
So anyway we have any proof here UFO.
Or is this the way you think its gone down?
9 Nov 2011, 11:01 am
caner…
your overly defensive rhetoric is letting you down…
nowhere did i say the nzru or all blacks asked for this citing window to be expanded…
i merely said that it is being done by the IRB to pander to the nzru…
if not… instead of asking the pathetic question of who is the IRB…
please explain… why now…? if you can tell us all why after so many citing controversies in the past with “sorry you missed the window” being put out by the IRB when the boks have complained… why change the citing window now…? why now…?
tell us…
your protestations to the contrary are really, really laughable…
9 Nov 2011, 11:02 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-29:
see 30 above…
9 Nov 2011, 11:03 am
@ufo(ufo)-7: Ufo,
Agree totally. Also two Samaons should have copped citing. Why the refs just looked the other way is just a mystery. Remember when John picked up the yellow in the Samoan game (which really he should never have) John looked to the ref and with his back turned the Samoan player punched him at the back of the head. Now that should have been a red card or cited later. It never was. Burger was punched to the side of the face right in front of AR Barnes in the Samoa game. NOTHING came of it either. Another red card but nothing came of it either. Boks should just have walked off in that game against Samoa when the ref refused to take action. Worst thuggery from any team I have seen. But nothing absolutely nothing came of it, not from the ref or any citing after.
Vickerman came into the ruck from the side and slammed right into Brussow with his shoulder in the quarter final and NOTHING came of it. He never even got cited. The same offence Bakkies done in the BIL tour and he got cited and got a two week ban.
So really something not right here. When it is us we get banned or if it is against us they turn a blind eye. Just bloody tired of this. Now it is McCaw and the whole rules have to be changed. Why when it is finally the kiwi captain that something is finally done? IRB should have done something a very long time ago. I agree it was wrong from the french player. But if it was our captain the IRB would just turn a blind eye and we would go on and on with this kinda nonsense.
I agree we need to cite these dirty players and it should never have a certain time to it even if it takes longer than 3 months they should still get cited. Thuggery and dirty play has to be dealt with and it must be rid of in rugby once and for all.
9 Nov 2011, 11:05 am
If this happens Samoa will have a huge problem i am glad 2 say.
All this favoritism towards the ABs is not makeing it easy to like them, and i dont think it is just me or South Africans but internationally.
9 Nov 2011, 11:06 am
@ufo(ufo)-31:
Is that your proof in Post 30?
Damn am i missing something here.
To me an eye gouge is an eye gouge and should be addressed no matter what at any stage.
You cant have a time limit on foul or dangerous play. Yeah its happened before and many have got off. Dont think for one minute that the Boks never got of cos of the 36 hour window time.
9 Nov 2011, 11:07 am
@Puma(Puma)-32:
yeah puma…
interesting that cane and hurricane say above… the abs never cited rougerie… as if that makes the abs and nzru better than the rest…
well we didn’t cite any players in the samoan game either…
but it’s only seen an angelic behavior if the ABs don’t cite foul play… but both cane and hurricane just ignore it if the boks… in the face of extreme thuggery… also don’t cite any players…
go figure…??
9 Nov 2011, 11:08 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-27:
They whinged about the Ref, in the SA/Samoa game.
They whined about the Ref, in the SA/Australia game.
They nearly choked on their castles brews, watching the Final. So outraged were they, concerning Joubert’s refereeing performance.
Now, we have SOME Saffas, whimpering like snotty nosed infants because the IRB is considering a change in the citing regulations.
Do we called this a trend or a pattern?
9 Nov 2011, 11:10 am
@ufo(ufo)-35:
What do want ufo,
a medal?
9 Nov 2011, 11:10 am
@Puma(Puma)-32:
Strange, Burger seemed to have got of a few foul plays in his time.
We wont go into it but i am sure you would agree that your line ” When it is us we get banned ”
isnt the whole truth
9 Nov 2011, 11:12 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-18: That ended O’Driscoll Lions tour in NZ then. Think it was the 1st game too.
9 Nov 2011, 11:15 am
@ufo(ufo)-30:
Maybe because it was in a WC Final.
Really I don’t know.
I don’t even care.
I’m happy enough with the law the way it is.
As I said ask the IRB.
(Or see your shrink about your paranoia).
Bill is home. That is enough for now.
9 Nov 2011, 11:15 am
hurricane… cast all the red herrings you like bud…
i have not questioned the incident of that it deserved punishment… but the fact is that it was not cited and the citing period or window is closed…
there have been countless incidents in the past where other incidents should have been punished and for whatever reason the citing period was over and the IRB and many AB fans said at the time… we should have got the citing in in time etc etc…
so answer my question… why now….? why change the citing window now…? why not when other punishment deserving incidents happened in the past…? why now…?
if you can’t be honest and answer the question you’re just exposing yourself…
sadly… because i always took you and cane as more objective ab fans
9 Nov 2011, 11:18 am
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-40:
hehehe… so you can’t answer my question…
and so now like a child you say you don’t even care (after… how many posts…?)
and now because YOU can’t answer my question… I’M paranoid…???
nuff said…
9 Nov 2011, 11:19 am
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-37:
i don’t WANT anything caner…
what i was hoping for… was a bit of honest objectivity from you…
9 Nov 2011, 11:20 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-38: Boks cop a ban more than any other nation Hurricane. Sure we no angels either but we do cop more bans than any other.
This kinda thing has to stop. Why it has taken IRB so long is crazy. It takes something to McCaw for them to do something about it. It does seem strange when it happens to the rest of the rugby world they let it go if it has not been picked up in the ‘citing window’ now it has happened against the captain of NZ they take notice. Why not when John was punched at the back of the head from the Samoan player? The whole rugby world saw that. We were all watching the rugby world cup. Nothing absolutely nothing was done about. Not from the ref or a citing after. One has to think there is double standards for the rest of the world and for NZ.
I am reading plenty rugby blogs not from just here but the www rugby blogs they all saying the same as we are here. They feeling one set of rules for all of us and another for NZ. I never saw it that way before but am now especially after this wc buddy. Reffing there was abysmal.
9 Nov 2011, 11:20 am
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-40:
enjoy Bill…!!
that’s the one point i can’t and won’t argue about…!!
9 Nov 2011, 11:21 am
@ufo(ufo)-30:
“i merely said that it is being done by the IRB to pander to the nzru…”"
WHY ufo, why.
What logic is behind this ludicrous statement.
As I have pointed out.
The War is over,
The good Guys won.
Bill is home
at last.
yeah everybody knows.
9 Nov 2011, 11:21 am
@ufo(ufo)-41:
Well UFO i think change is good. Eye gouging needs to go, but if you want to wait until someone else get eye gouge to change the rules then thats you.
I honestly dont know why they changed it now. Maybe since there have been alot of eye gouging in the game of late, and it is getting worse.
If you think there is somehting going on behind the scenes then i am not going to agree with you.
All i have heard since we won the RWC is corruption and conspiracy from everyone on here.
Now its becoming just an everyday view on this site. Shame really cos i use to enjoy having the odd talk to you guys but since your RWC exit, its really been an ugly site.
But hey i am man enough to stay on, lucky you
9 Nov 2011, 11:23 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-21:
jumping six feet into the air?
if that’s the case then it’s fair to say rugby isn’t his forte.
we will send him to the Olympics instead.
now be a good boy and stop talking out yer bum.
9 Nov 2011, 11:23 am
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-40: Caner is Bryce Lawrence father not part of the IRB? Just a thought.
9 Nov 2011, 11:29 am
@Gunther(gunther)-48:
Yeah send him to the Olympics, you might be able to keep up with our medal tally
Anyway i was only having a joke….. you know……a laugh , like some of these claims that are going around on here.
Now be a good girl and have a laugh with me
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