SA linked to rebel league
14 Nov 2011
South African franchises have been a linked with European plans to create a global rugby tournament in the near future.
According to The Guardian, there are secret plans being made among Europe’s richest clubs to establish a breakaway tournament, which would include South African franchises. The UK newspaper also confirmed that there are separate proposals to create a world club championship, which would include the champions of the English Premiership, Pro12 and French Top 14 and European Cup, as well as the winners of Super Rugby and the respective Australian, New Zealand and South African logs.
It is believed that only money is the issue stopping these plans. The European Cup is run by the European Rugby Cup Ltd, which acts on behalf of the unions involved. The tournament’s turnover has doubled in five years to just over €50m (about R545m) but there are many who believe the competition is capable of generating far more.
Frustrated clubs are aware the existing five-year ERC accord ends in June, although any stakeholder wishing to exit the tournament is still required to give two years’ notice. All the tournament’s major TV contracts expire in 2014 and Heineken’s title sponsorship deal runs until 2013. The strict salary cap in England remains a further bone of contention for millionaire club owners who, despite the economic turmoil across Europe, are seeking to expand.
‘From an English and French clubs’ point of view the European Cup is a growing competition but it is essentially controlled by the unions and played by the clubs,’ said an anonymous prominent club figure. ‘There are some English and French clubs who do not regard that as an ideal situation. There is also a growing weariness in South Africa with Sanzar [South Africa, New Zealand and Australia Rugby]. They feel they’re at a playing disadvantage by constantly having to travel and, despite having more commercial pulling power, do not get a proportionally bigger share of the revenue. They feel South Africa is subsidising Australia and New Zealand, which are relatively small markets.’
In a recent interview with SA Rugby magazine, Saracens CEO Edward Griffiths echoed the same sentiments. Saracens will take their European Cup tie against Biarritz to Cape Town in January.
‘I’’m not sure if that will be possible and whether the IRB will allow it [a global club competition], but I do believe new competition structures need to be implemented. The English clubs are suffering major losses. There was a total loss of R300 million from all clubs after last season, so there needs to be some changes made,’ said Griffiths.
‘It would be a positive step for South African franchises to join forces with European clubs. The time zone is similar and it’s easier to travel to London and Paris than it is to Sydney or Auckland. This would make it easier for all clubs and franchises to earn a profit while it will also create a fresh and appealing spectacle for fan.’
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15 Nov 2011, 08:07 am
@ufo(ufo)-93: Very fair points …… By the looks of things , it isnt the S15 comp that is at fault but the poor bargaining of SARU …… Do you think you would do any better on the negotating table up north … Better the devil you know springs to mind
15 Nov 2011, 08:11 am
While I support a move North the reality is I doubt it will happen. Or if it does it won’t be in the near future.
An awful lot of earth needs to be moved before the first bit of foundation is laid out, the are contractual agreements that have to be re/out negotiated. There is getting the NH clubs and the RFU etc to be in agreement, there is the
‘season playing window” to be negotiated, who is going to play out of their traditional season ?? Then of course the IRB could derail the whole thing. I see a whole lot of disruption to the HH set up in order to accommodate us, are they prepared to do this ?? Sponsorships and TV rights need to be negotiated and put in place. Also don’t underestimate the power that NZ and Auss wield, they will counter this in some or other format.
So as I say ,I would like to see this happen, but I am not holding my breath that it will !!
15 Nov 2011, 08:12 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-102:
HH = NH
15 Nov 2011, 08:13 am
The sooner the links are broken with SANZAR the better. 2013/14?
15 Nov 2011, 08:13 am
From day 1 i BEEN SAYING WE FARKEN GOT ROCKS IN OUR HEAD WITH THIS sANZAR DEAL…..IT IS SIMPLE MATHS…..
fark…sorry caps…
3 is a crowd….those kissing cousins have no history with us…..I have nothing against aussies and kiwis…I am completely emotionally detatched from them, as they are from me….I just dont have 1 iota of kinship with them….
Now I love the Irish teams……as will a lot of Saffas enjoy English teams …..and some Saffa folk with have a kinship with the French, etc…..
That does not mean we less Saffa./……just that we [ or a helleva lot of us ] do have a real history with Europe……
and nothing quite beats thrashing the poms!
How did we ever believe in the first place we would ever be anything but the ugly step sister in Sanzar?
No man….check the history…..those okes have farked us up 6 love for years….simple maths and proximity against us……kissing cousins 6…saffas 0.
And I can guarantee you it will simply never ever change….
Go North I say….the Sanzar deal was stillborn…..never has and never will be a fair set up.
About time saffas caught a wakey wakey.
And standards dropping?
Watch some Heineken Cup……..we will need to be sharp to beat the giants of NH rugby….thats for sure…
15 Nov 2011, 08:21 am
Carlo….
we head north you better get your stable cleared out….
I reckon Justrugby, Robzim and I will be visiting quite often!
15 Nov 2011, 08:22 am
carol
15 Nov 2011, 08:28 am
@stew(stew)-101:
thanks stew…
and yes, you’re right… it is poor bargaining… but we’ll always be at a disadvantage because Aus and NZ will always vote together… and neither has great finances so the two ‘poorer’ cousins feel compelled to stick together against the ‘richer’ foreigner…
i think in europe they have more money than south africa (which is why all our southern hemisphere players go there) so they won’t feel they have to make up for anything by forcing an agenda…
plus…. there are more unions involved in europe so a fair outcome will be more likely…
15 Nov 2011, 08:32 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-102:
i agree with you JR… I don’t think it will happen either…
but it COULD and I would like NZ and Aus to recognize that fact and accept that they need us more than we need them and they should therefore stop the sh!!t they’ve been dishing for so long now…
and if things don’t improve… saru should start making official noises like Tew did… to establish that it will be a better deal for us to go to europe and… if things still don’t improve… then to actually start the wheels turning… even if it takes five years to get there…
15 Nov 2011, 08:42 am
@ufo(ufo)-109:
Agree !!!
The negotiators on SA’s behalf at SANZAR have been weak and far too compromising !!
A move to the NH has a huge amount of benefit though, will be watching this one with interest !!
15 Nov 2011, 08:44 am
Its all well and good saying we should head north, but that isn’t what this article is talking about. This article is discussing forming another competition, and including it into the already over crowded schedule. It is also likely that the competition won’t be sanctioned by the IRB, making things very complicated for every-one involved, and it also involving a limited number of South African teams. The creation of rebel leagues has played out in a number of other sports, and they have rarely been successful in getting off the ground, or being successful long term ventures. Sport is a complicated industry.
There are a lot of impediments to South African rugby heading north – no matter where they play, South Africa isn’t a good fit. What do we do with the international calendar if our clubs are playing in the north? I doubt they will let South Africa play in the 6 nations – it wouldn’t be a natural fit, and it is unlikely that the Springboks would be accommodated.
If South Africa were to pull out of the Super 15, they would be withdrawing from SANZAR, and would then not play in the Tri-Nations (four nations). What happens to the international calendar? Is South Africa happy to have incoming tours from the north during July, then have no international rugby, with only the Currie Cup, and then play the end of year tour, with their provincial teams involved in a competition in the northern hemisphere? That would make it all year round rugby, likely without games against Australia and New Zealand, and no international tournament.
Is there really scope to play rugby in South Africa in November, December and January?
People say that the South African administrators get a raw deal from Australia and NZ, but this is due to South African incompetence. They will just as likely get schooled by the Northern hemisphere administrators.
A shift to the north won’t solve South Africa’s rugby problems, it will just present them with a whole collection of new problems, and issues which they would need to address.
15 Nov 2011, 08:49 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-111: Here here !
15 Nov 2011, 08:51 am
another upside is that tours can reffed by each countries own refs. this would make it less likely for cheating by their officials and players to have any discernable outcome on games played between us as hometown bias would be equalled out.
when we go over there we’ll do our damndest to beat them inspite of their referees and vice versa.
15 Nov 2011, 08:55 am
Too much rugby and too many average teams. no matter which league or hemisphere you play in.
Rugby needs a proper clean out and these world provincial leagues will be a whole lot more attractive to everyone.
Ranger says there are too many average teams in the S15 eg Rebels, Force, Lions of old, Cheetahs etc but then he doesnt have a look see at the unbelievable averageness of some of the Heiniken Cup sides, eg Castres, Racing Metro, Montpellier, Aironi, Treviso etc etc.
How the fk is SA rugby ever going to improve when our provincial/franchise sides play against that kind of drivel?
Whatever happens, these global provincial competitions need to be cleaned up.
It has to revert to strength vs strength.
Bring back the S12, top 4 franchises from each country. Or if your going North, ensure that those minnows are relegated to a lesser league.
Cleanup the leagues, reduce the number of teams so its strength vs strength. That would certainly ensure I’d be interested and excited for any competition.
Oh and bring back the international tours of old.
That is all.
15 Nov 2011, 08:56 am
I’m going to weigh in here on a few points. I expect that some will dissagree with me, possibly very strongly, but in the interests of diverse opinion here this is my view:
1. Going North in place of SANZAR is a big mistake for the following reasons:
SANZAR governs not just Super Rugby but the Tri Nations Tournament as well, so losing one would possibly (likely) mean losing the international season too. This would mean that we (as consistantly a top 3 rugby playing nation) would lose the opportunity to play regularly against the players (Super Rugby) and the counties (Tri Nations) that make up the other 2. By playing up northe we’d end up playing against the Doug Howletts and co of the world. Been there done that.
If we go North we would be in the position of potentially being the “poor cousin” as it is put, with the more wealthy leagues having more say, just like we complain about now, but then we would have a genuine reason to be disadvantaged.
Travel would be easier in terms of time zones but would still be a good 12 – 15 hours minimum each time, which is totally different compared to the 2 – 3 hours for the other teams when they play against each other. Yes they’d play here too, but we would end up travelling much more than them.
We’d lose our edge by not playing against the other SH teams regularly. This is for me the most important reason.
2. We are not getting as bad a deal as some may think.
This is a give and take situation. yes our local broadcaster generates most of the revenue but a large part of that is because we are playing Australia and NZ, the other 2 best teams and countries in the world. Does no one else see that? Withouth them we’d just be playing with ourselves.
Yes Australia has improved their lot by getting a 5th team and the conference system. Yes it does impact negatively on our CC but a strong Australian conference is good for the competition.
Yes we have a bye first time out as Puma rightfully said, but then we also have other aspects of the travel which are in our favour as far as the schedule is concerned.
As far as Tri Nations is concerned, we ALWAYS play our last 2 games at home, whilst the other 2 often have to travel. This means that all our players are home and ready to go back into local CC action soonest.
We ALWAYS have the best TV viewing schedule of the 3 countries. We either see games in the morning or at our usual time. Imagine having to watch the Bulls VS Crusaders at 3AM or something like that? Not exactly great viewing time.
In conclusion, yes there are aspects of the SANZAR agreement that we have (rightfully) issue with, but on balance it’s not as terrible as we think. The geographics of travel accross time zones are possibly the worst aspect, and that’s just reality, it’s not anyone’s fault.
Now I’m not against playing Northern clubs at all, in fact it sounds very exciting, but this must be merged with the existing playing schedules, replacing some of the fixtures that we currently have in order to not overdo the playing season.
Just be careful what you wish for. If we merge our SANZAR partnership with the European one, we then become bit players in a much bigger setup, and we would be ripe for exploitation even more than we are getting it at the moment.
The key here is not to throw our toys and leave the SANZAR deal, but to appoint the correct people in the SARU structures who can take on the SANZAR partners on a level playing field and protect our interests better. Businessmen who are strong in the boardroom, not some oom who by virtue of serving on some committee for the last 40 years gets to go and face his rugby heroes (Eals and Co) and doesn’t have the savvy or spine to stand up to them.
15 Nov 2011, 08:56 am
@ufo(ufo)-109: Didn’t need you 1984-1992 and don’t need you now, pilgrims. Not now you’re only ranked #4.
15 Nov 2011, 08:57 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-111: perhaps….
But the historical links can not be ignored…..nor the time zones…….nor the huge support bases the North teams have…..
Sanzar rugby is dying…..even in SA we have teams playing to small crowds….never mind the crowds in Kiwiland…….
We have to think positively and find solutions….of course there are challenges…..there always are……but can there be more challenges than the time zones and soullless rugby being played today with Sanzar….?
No man Wolfie…..of course nothing will be perfect, but fark me this Sanzar has run its course and we are stagnating.
Bloggers talk of dropping standards if we head north? How farken low can we go? At least by playing up north we will have to revert to respecting 1 st phases again…..
No more bloody basketball for me……head North….
15 Nov 2011, 09:03 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-115: personally I believe we play the aussies and kiwis far too much…..far far far too much.
It is boring….I have been to so many aussie vs sa and kiwis vs sa tests….
I personally look far more forward to a SA France or Pom OR iRISH TEST, ETC…..
the scarcity value is gone….the mystique is gone….
I would say tri nations is boring as all hell……simply too much….
Every 2 nd year a test or 2 against Anzacs would be fine.
Look at the interest with B Lions ve Tri nations? Chalk and cheese….for me anyway.
Sanzar is dead….has been for a long time….mediocre…..
Give me the cosmopolitan NH any day……
15 Nov 2011, 09:05 am
You fly to Aussie and NZ and then you fly back to SA again. Both Oz and NZ do exactly the same. It’s not as if the season is over when you’re away legs are done. Some NZ teams fly to SA, complete their games there and then fly back to face a SA team who have been in NZ for 2 or 3 weeks already — and who have no jetlag left and play their “home” fixture with the same travel fatigue. Without a peep of complaint — mainly because they win, and therefore need no lame excuses.
15 Nov 2011, 09:05 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-116: I agree with you….
our standards have dropped in Sanzar.
Time for us to exit
we have overstayed our welcome
15 Nov 2011, 09:07 am
@grant10(grant10)-120: Those around you have simply upped their game. That’s why they’re #1 and #2 and you’re not. You’re tired of being the wooden-spoonists so often.
15 Nov 2011, 09:08 am
Yes have to agree. This sounds like a great idea,
As ‘ Grant 10′ says, Saffies have more affinity with The British than with Antipodeans , which is very apparent on this site I.e the whinge factor.
Although I must say the Boers may disagree with his view.
Anyway I think you’ll find us’ kissing cousins ‘are also bored with super rugby. It’s always felt a bit false and contrived.
It does get boring when one country dominates a tournament, it’s a bit like watching the Aussies win 500 gold medals in the commonwealth games,a nice little ego boost for them ,but who really cares.
NZ will always have talent and the ABs will always be strong. So let’s shake it up. I’d love to see a Saffie team sliding backwards in 2 feet of mud,before losing 6-3 to a penalty in injury time.
This scenario may also force the NZRFU,to make overseas players available for the ABs.in which case we would of had the ‘amazing ‘Dan carter replaced by the ‘incredible’ Nick Evans during the WC and we all could of chilled out a bit more.
So in conclusion,I realise it’s not much fun continually losing a competition,it makes you bitter and twisted,luckily for me I’m a crusaders and AB fan ,so don’t get to experience this misery too often.
If you feel you have to take your toys to a new play ground,to put an end to the bullying then that’s fine. I just hope your new playmates are a little more lenient with you
15 Nov 2011, 09:10 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-115: we have no soul with the Anzacs…..
I would never pay cash to head Down Under for a superrugby game.
Too far….too expensive…and no history there for me…
Now we play Leicester or Munster in a Final over there….try and keep me away!!
That is the difference……shorter flite by many hours…..family ties over there….history there…..kinship…..
and you overrating saffa rugby.
watch Toulouse…..Munster….Leicester….etc…..
I bet we go there we struggle……I bet you mate…
15 Nov 2011, 09:14 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-121: yip….we lagging far behind…..those there are the facts and the stats…..
But thats not the reason I advocate, for over a decade now, a move North…..for me it is about history, kinship, time zones and total ambivalence on my part related to the Anzacs[ and I say that honestly with no malice ].
15 Nov 2011, 09:14 am
@grant10(grant10)-105:
“and nothing quite beats thrashing the poms!”
And this is the reason as to why some on here want the move to happen.
15 Nov 2011, 09:16 am
@bokke baiter(bokke baiter)-122: The so called Boers will love smashing the poms…..
and some have a very strong historical ties with France as well…..
It is all about history to me…..no disrespect to you okes….I just have no ties to you lot…….and I am sure the feelings are reciprocated.
15 Nov 2011, 09:18 am
Zac in more kak
Fresh batch of Guildford allegations
Published: Tuesday, 15. November, 2011
All Blacks wing Zac Guildford faced fresh allegations on Tuesday stemming from a drunken binge that ended with him staggering naked and bleeding into a bar then assaulting two people.
Kelly Pick, a triathlete in the small Pacific nation of the Cook Islands, said Guildford also repeatedly made lewd sexual comments and harassed her as she was on a training run along a road on the main island Rarotonga.
“His behaviour was totally inappropriate to the point where I felt unsafe,” Pick wrote in a letter published in the Cook Islands News on Tuesday.
“He was obviously highly intoxicated and driving his rental scooter very dangerously and speeding like an idiot.
“I got back from my run totally shaken and angry that someone feels they have the right to harass and leer at other people.”
Pick told Radio New Zealand she had lodged a complaint with Cook Islands police about Guildford’s behaviour last Thursday.
“(He) can’t just continue this kind of behaviour and there be no consequences for him,” she said.
Guildford issued an apology on Monday over his conduct, saying he was “hugely embarrassed” and would seek help to “sort myself out”.
The 22-year-old, who has a history of problems with alcohol, was publicly reprimanded by All Blacks management during the recent Rugby World Cup.
He reportedly appeared at a popular Rarotonga bar last Thursday dripping wet, naked and bleeding from cuts believed to have come from a scooter accident earlier in the day.
The bar’s owner, Jack Cooper, told Radio New Zealand on Monday that the wing stumbled into the waterfront venue and hit two patrons, one of whom was celebrating his 60th birthday.
15 Nov 2011, 09:18 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-125: well those poms will moer us back 6 love……but the history is a great one…..even if unpleasant…..you and I have no history….no malice….just facts
15 Nov 2011, 09:19 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-116:
tackler… you left south africa how long ago…?
we didn’t need you then… we don’t need you now…
yet you come back to keo daily to validate your choice to leave… you’re not accepted as a new zealander and don’t want to be a south african… because you have no relevance in new zealand or in south africa…
the only relevance you can try and muster is posting your arrogant but tired anti- south africa tirade on keo because that is the only way you can try and make anyone take any notice of you at all…
you need keo and south africa to give your life any meaning at all…
you sad sad man…
like i said…
we didn’t need you when you lived in sa… we certainly don’t need you now that you don’t live here…
go get yourself a life man… with what time you have left… focus it on living… instead of making the most important thing in your life denigrating south africa…!!
15 Nov 2011, 09:20 am
zac is really in a bad state….htting a 60 year old/ No man….sort yourself out kid
15 Nov 2011, 09:24 am
@grant10(grant10)-123: You have a very romanticized view of the northern hemisphere and South Africa’s relationship with the north.
We might have time zones which are similar to the north, but we don’t have seasons which are similar, and our rugby calendar is profoundly different. South Africa would not head there as equal partners, because they would be the odd one out when it comes to the creation of a calendar, the shape of international rugby, and the desire to maintain the Currie Cup, which takes place in a completely different time period than the European season.
It would be South Africa against 3 or 4 or 5 countries who have had dealings with each other for a long time, who would most likely against as a bloc in their dealings with South Africa.
The key to the current malaise in South African rugby in relation to SANZAR is for SA rugby to figure out what they want, what is best for South African rugby and then to fight their corner, and negotiate as the majority stakeholder. There is no point in complaining about that horrible Mr. John O’Neill, who continuously walks over SARU, if SARU can’t use their dominant position for the good of South African rugby and for the good of SANZAR.
If SA rugby was ever to play in the northern hemisphere, it would not be on South Africa’s terms, and we would have to change our domestic rugby situation in order to be included in their rugby calendar.
15 Nov 2011, 09:25 am
@grant10(grant10)-128:
I take it you mean in history outside of rugby??
15 Nov 2011, 09:26 am
@grant10(grant10)-118: This is true, I would be in favour of a shortened Tri Series as well as a smaller Super Rugby Series.
Thing is, much of this ambivalence is partly boredom. We see so much of a certain type of rugby that we long for something different.
Super Rugby is by far more entertaining for me, with it’s higher scores and faster paced game. yes, if you watch too much of it, you become jaded, and this is what is happening at the moment. I feel it too. Doesn’t mean (to me) that I won’t begin to feel the same if I ended up watching the Stormers play 15 games that all sored 15 points or less in total (i.e. 10 -5 or 12-3 etc).
@grant10(grant10)-123: I also feel a closer affinity with Europe than Australasia. Most of us would. We all have friends there, many have relatives there. That alone isn’t, in my opinion, a good enough reason to ditch the other 2 top 3 nations and move our sporting program to them.
In my opinion we would dominate for the first few years and then adapt to their style, wnding with a slower paced game and losing touch with what the Aussie and Kiwis are doing. And for me that is a bad thing.
My 10c worth.
15 Nov 2011, 09:35 am
@grant10(grant10)-128: you’re putting too much unnecessary stock on this “history & soul”…i have NO ties or shared history with the British so why should i hanker to play with them over the aussies and kiwis?
i want to play against the best, PERIOD. nothing to do with inconsequential historic relations. before readmission who were the Springbok’s biggest rivals in Test rugby, the English?
15 Nov 2011, 09:35 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-133:
yep, a shortened super rugby series would be perfect.
2 teams from each country.
NZ– north Island team and a south island team
SA and OZ– draw a line either east west or north south
6 fukn strong teams.
15 Nov 2011, 09:36 am
Just remember as well that this is Ed Griffiths talking. Of course he;’d love for us to come up North. He has everything to gain and very little to lose.
Don’t be taken in just because he’s being friendly and charming.
15 Nov 2011, 09:37 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-131: i understand the complexity.
I also stand by the fact that Sanzar is a dead duck…..
so fix the complexity
and stop beatuing a sanzar dead horse….
mark my words….sanzar is the death knell of sa rugby…
15 Nov 2011, 09:38 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-134:
thats what i am trying to understand from Grants posts.
What history if he talking about?
I must say its out of rugby as my understanding is NZ and SA played more games against each other than any other teams before readmission let alone after.
15 Nov 2011, 09:39 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-134:
Agreed.
Kinship and history have taken over from Turboreverse and Plod as his favourite words.
Be prepared to hear them more often.
I am of Scots background yet that means fark all to me when it comes to SA rugby playing against the best. Whoever that may be.
15 Nov 2011, 09:40 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-134: maybe for you mate….but not for me…..
I want the North move…always will …always have…..
15 Nov 2011, 09:41 am
@grant10(grant10)-137: Anything and everything is the death knell of SA rugby because SARU are incompetent. If they can’t maximise their current position of power, what would they do if they were involved with European teams who have a position of power over them?
SA rugby is far too slow to adapt, and a shift up north won’t solve anything. SANZAR should be South Africa’s play ground, but instead South African rugby is the fat kid with rich parents being bullied in the play ground.
15 Nov 2011, 09:46 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-115:
zigactly.
the super 15 needs to be relooked though.
too many games. each country should have a domestic league and the top 2 from each should then fight it out for the title.
also the 4 nations tourney should be played in ONE country each year on a rotational basis. everybody plays each other once and the top 2 teams play a final and the the bottom two play the wooden spoon.
takes travel out of the equation and introduces some variety.
shorter super 15 leaves room for inbound tours.
15 Nov 2011, 09:48 am
@Gunther(gunther)-142:
also easier to introduce the kings and nobody has to lose out.
15 Nov 2011, 09:56 am
@Gunther(gunther)-142:
Yip. As per post 114 as well.
15 Nov 2011, 10:01 am
have posited before that we should shift the comps around…
play the CC/domestic rugby first…
then the top teams go through to the super league… taking their points with them…
that way we get the local derbies… (but not twice…) and there will be significantly less rugby… and not only will it not dilute CC rugby… it will strengthen it…
15 Nov 2011, 10:01 am
@John Galt(John Galt)-144:
In fact you could call the domestic round of the super tourney the currie cup.
full strength.
and then the top two teams play a six team tourney vs 4 from oz and new zealand.
I dare say that would help everybodies domestic comps.
15 Nov 2011, 10:04 am
@Gunther(gunther)-146:
snap gunther…
15 Nov 2011, 10:05 am
Yeah ‘grant 10′ is diffinitily on one. I’m not understanding his kin ship with the Brits theory. Obviously got Pom blood.
Not sure if he’s ever lived in pommyland,but I know he’d find all the Aussies,kiwis and saffers actually hang out and party together and there’s never many Brits amongst them
So I think your on your own there Grant.
15 Nov 2011, 10:23 am
@Gunther(gunther)-146: That would suit the Lions just fine. It’s our time to eat in the Currie Cup.
15 Nov 2011, 10:48 am
Play our club rugby with the north, stop the Supper 15, play the Tri Nations still each year, we still have the Currie Cup, very important.
The Anzacs wont like it, but they would agree to it for the revenue from the Tri Nations each year.
BUT…..cant see it happening any time soon, dont we still have a few years left on the contract with sanzar and dstv.
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