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	<title>Comments on: Province pull rank on Euro Cup match</title>
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		<title>By: mshiniwami(mshiniwami)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041267</link>
		<dc:creator>mshiniwami(mshiniwami)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2041070&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&gt;^..^&lt; katman(katman)-189&lt;/a&gt;: 

Not naive in the least bit. Again you fail to see the point. Solly may have mismanaged his finances etc and that was through his own doing but nothing points to him being involved in any real criminal activity nor any gang involvement as the article states.

And there you go linking 2 things that are really at obtuse ends with each other. Solly committed no crime(s) etc The gun that was found in car is believed to have been Maguqu&#039;s who was earlier gunned down in the week.(By the way the 3rd friend Shumane is STILL ALIVE not dead as falsely reported). The Waterkloof 4 killed a homeless man....

What has Tyibilika been found to be guilty of exactly? His own mismanagement of finances &amp; rugby career which he was also let down by the system especially at Lions that have upkept relationships &amp; supported far more sinister individuals than Solly. The township analogy looking at the vague circumstances of his passing as well as there being NO REAL evidence of criminal wrong doing on his behalf nor any of his friends(no link to gangs,no criminal records etc) is pretty apt at the juncture. I have seen it happen before.

So if it doesnt cut it for you then so be it.But that doesnt mean that it doesnt hold any credibility especially looking at the circumstances.

Im basing that analogy on situation I have experienced and have seen,applicable to this type of situation from where I stand. If thats naive then  all those years i lived in BB section Umlazi Township &amp; G section Kwamashu Township and the things I saw and heard were a figment of my imagination.As some know better as the social scientists they are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2041070" rel="nofollow">&gt;^..^&lt; katman(katman)-189</a>: </p>
<p>Not naive in the least bit. Again you fail to see the point. Solly may have mismanaged his finances etc and that was through his own doing but nothing points to him being involved in any real criminal activity nor any gang involvement as the article states.</p>
<p>And there you go linking 2 things that are really at obtuse ends with each other. Solly committed no crime(s) etc The gun that was found in car is believed to have been Maguqu&#8217;s who was earlier gunned down in the week.(By the way the 3rd friend Shumane is STILL ALIVE not dead as falsely reported). The Waterkloof 4 killed a homeless man&#8230;.</p>
<p>What has Tyibilika been found to be guilty of exactly? His own mismanagement of finances &amp; rugby career which he was also let down by the system especially at Lions that have upkept relationships &amp; supported far more sinister individuals than Solly. The township analogy looking at the vague circumstances of his passing as well as there being NO REAL evidence of criminal wrong doing on his behalf nor any of his friends(no link to gangs,no criminal records etc) is pretty apt at the juncture. I have seen it happen before.</p>
<p>So if it doesnt cut it for you then so be it.But that doesnt mean that it doesnt hold any credibility especially looking at the circumstances.</p>
<p>Im basing that analogy on situation I have experienced and have seen,applicable to this type of situation from where I stand. If thats naive then  all those years i lived in BB section Umlazi Township &amp; G section Kwamashu Township and the things I saw and heard were a figment of my imagination.As some know better as the social scientists they are.</p>
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		<title>By: bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041113</link>
		<dc:creator>bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 05:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last I heard Joan was living in a tree-house with a wooden sculpture of Bob... far too much LSD in the 60&#039;s...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last I heard Joan was living in a tree-house with a wooden sculpture of Bob&#8230; far too much LSD in the 60&#8242;s&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 05:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[show me the prison show me the jail
Show me the prisoner who&#039;s life has gone stale
And I&#039;ll show you young man with so many reasons why
There but for fortune go you or I

Show me the alley show me the drain
Show me the hobo who sleeps out in the rain
And I&#039;ll show you young man with so many reasons why
There but for fortune go you or I]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>show me the prison show me the jail<br />
Show me the prisoner who&#8217;s life has gone stale<br />
And I&#8217;ll show you young man with so many reasons why<br />
There but for fortune go you or I</p>
<p>Show me the alley show me the drain<br />
Show me the hobo who sleeps out in the rain<br />
And I&#8217;ll show you young man with so many reasons why<br />
There but for fortune go you or I</p>
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		<title>By: bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041105</link>
		<dc:creator>bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 04:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2041024&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gunther(gunther)-152&lt;/a&gt;: 

Yoh speak for yourself brah... I was going to Mzoli&#039;s before Hymphatic Thabs had smoked his first batch of Lesotho Gold in Maseru junior high!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2041024" rel="nofollow">Gunther(gunther)-152</a>: </p>
<p>Yoh speak for yourself brah&#8230; I was going to Mzoli&#8217;s before Hymphatic Thabs had smoked his first batch of Lesotho Gold in Maseru junior high!</p>
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		<title>By: Treehugger(Treehugger)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041072</link>
		<dc:creator>Treehugger(Treehugger)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn(Dawn)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041071</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn(Dawn)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shattered I am.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shattered I am.</p>
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		<title>By: &#62;^..^&#60; katman(katman)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041070</link>
		<dc:creator>&#62;^..^&#60; katman(katman)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2041003&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-132&lt;/a&gt;: Come on, don&#039;t be naive. It was reported in many sources at the time that he had fallen in with the wrong crowd. And we both know that this didn&#039;t refer to simply taking his focus off the game. He got involved with violent people who resolve problems with violent means. And that&#039;s also sad, but let&#039;s not sugarcoat it just because he was black and you wanted him to succeed. I&#039;m not going to trawl the net for evidence, but here is at least one article where a friend backs this view up:

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/pleas-for-donations-to-bury-tyibilika-1.1178614

I feel bad for how things ended for him. I&#039;m sorry that he ended up broke and down, and that he met a violent end. But to simply say that&#039;s township life, and if you don&#039;t live there you won&#039;t understand just doesn&#039;t cut it. I might as well say that if you didn&#039;t grow up in an Afrikaans home in Pretoria, you wouldn&#039;t understand what made the Waterkloof 4 do what they did.

No, we all take responsibility for our actions and our path in life. That&#039;s the only way it can work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2041003" rel="nofollow">mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-132</a>: Come on, don&#8217;t be naive. It was reported in many sources at the time that he had fallen in with the wrong crowd. And we both know that this didn&#8217;t refer to simply taking his focus off the game. He got involved with violent people who resolve problems with violent means. And that&#8217;s also sad, but let&#8217;s not sugarcoat it just because he was black and you wanted him to succeed. I&#8217;m not going to trawl the net for evidence, but here is at least one article where a friend backs this view up:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/pleas-for-donations-to-bury-tyibilika-1.1178614" rel="nofollow">http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/pleas-for-donations-to-bury-tyibilika-1.1178614</a></p>
<p>I feel bad for how things ended for him. I&#8217;m sorry that he ended up broke and down, and that he met a violent end. But to simply say that&#8217;s township life, and if you don&#8217;t live there you won&#8217;t understand just doesn&#8217;t cut it. I might as well say that if you didn&#8217;t grow up in an Afrikaans home in Pretoria, you wouldn&#8217;t understand what made the Waterkloof 4 do what they did.</p>
<p>No, we all take responsibility for our actions and our path in life. That&#8217;s the only way it can work.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunther(gunther)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041069</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunther(gunther)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2041067&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dawn(Dawn)-187&lt;/a&gt;: 

Sorry only in the trouser dept.

Am turning around to go home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2041067" rel="nofollow">Dawn(Dawn)-187</a>: </p>
<p>Sorry only in the trouser dept.</p>
<p>Am turning around to go home.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn(Dawn)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041067</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn(Dawn)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you remotely resemble timothy olyphant.

(Where did he get that surname!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you remotely resemble timothy olyphant.</p>
<p>(Where did he get that surname!)</p>
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		<title>By: Gunther(gunther)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041066</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunther(gunther)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2041063&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dawn(Dawn)-184&lt;/a&gt;: 

Be there in ten.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2041063" rel="nofollow">Dawn(Dawn)-184</a>: </p>
<p>Be there in ten.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn(Dawn)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041065</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn(Dawn)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Things I have learnt about Helen.

Works for a rich guy who doesn&#039;t seem to mind having blood splayed all over his yacht

Has several mega degrees

Uses loaves of bread as tampons

Sometimes needs a man to help remove said tampons

Plays with her clit using a staple remover]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things I have learnt about Helen.</p>
<p>Works for a rich guy who doesn&#8217;t seem to mind having blood splayed all over his yacht</p>
<p>Has several mega degrees</p>
<p>Uses loaves of bread as tampons</p>
<p>Sometimes needs a man to help remove said tampons</p>
<p>Plays with her <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym> using a staple remover</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn(Dawn)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041063</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn(Dawn)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fuckmeslowlyonthefloor Timothy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuckmeslowlyonthefloor Timothy!</p>
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		<title>By: Gunther(gunther)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041061</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunther(gunther)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2041059&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dawn(Dawn)-182&lt;/a&gt;: 

I&#039;m a loser baby

So why don&#039;t you kill me?

With apologies to Beck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2041059" rel="nofollow">Dawn(Dawn)-182</a>: </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a loser baby</p>
<p>So why don&#8217;t you kill me?</p>
<p>With apologies to Beck.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn(Dawn)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041059</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn(Dawn)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yay gunther give it up.

You have no street cred here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay gunther give it up.</p>
<p>You have no street cred here!</p>
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		<title>By: wooden spoon(wooden spoon)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041058</link>
		<dc:creator>wooden spoon(wooden spoon)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The report below does not say how long he has been signed for. If it turns out the Sharks have let him go (ie he won&#039;t be available for next year&#039;s S15) then BIG questions need to be asked about the Sharks&#039; one way recruitment turnstile which has seen promising players in Rhodes, Mostert, Cilliers, Van Staden etc leave with no adequate replacements signed up...

Biarritz - South African prop Eugene Van Staden returned to French club rugby for a second spell on Tuesday when Top 14 tailenders Biarritz signed him as a replacement for the retired Eduard Coetzee.

Van Staden, 31, played for Montpellier from 2007-2010 before returning to South Africa to play for the Sharks.

Biarritz, five-time French champions and twice European Cup finalists, hope to have him able to play in Saturday&#039;s European Cup match with Saracens and have sent his file to the tournament organisers, European Rugby Cup (ERC), so they declare him eligible.

Coetzee had announced on Monday he was retiring after being told by doctors that he had taken too many blows to the head.

The 32-year-old South African-born naturalised Frenchman-- who has been at Biarritz since 2007 - said he had sought advice from several specialists before taking the decision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The report below does not say how long he has been signed for. If it turns out the Sharks have let him go (ie he won&#8217;t be available for next year&#8217;s S15) then BIG questions need to be asked about the Sharks&#8217; one way recruitment turnstile which has seen promising players in Rhodes, Mostert, Cilliers, Van Staden etc leave with no adequate replacements signed up&#8230;</p>
<p>Biarritz &#8211; South African prop Eugene Van Staden returned to French club rugby for a second spell on Tuesday when Top 14 tailenders Biarritz signed him as a replacement for the retired Eduard Coetzee.</p>
<p>Van Staden, 31, played for Montpellier from 2007-2010 before returning to South Africa to play for the Sharks.</p>
<p>Biarritz, five-time French champions and twice European Cup finalists, hope to have him able to play in Saturday&#8217;s European Cup match with Saracens and have sent his file to the tournament organisers, European Rugby Cup (ERC), so they declare him eligible.</p>
<p>Coetzee had announced on Monday he was retiring after being told by doctors that he had taken too many blows to the head.</p>
<p>The 32-year-old South African-born naturalised Frenchman&#8211; who has been at Biarritz since 2007 &#8211; said he had sought advice from several specialists before taking the decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunther(gunther)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunther(gunther)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2041055&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Transformation(Transformation)-179&lt;/a&gt;: 

Fuckdapolis]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2041055" rel="nofollow">Transformation(Transformation)-179</a>: </p>
<p>Fuckdapolis</p>
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		<title>By: Transformation(Transformation)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041055</link>
		<dc:creator>Transformation(Transformation)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2041053&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gunther(gunther)-177&lt;/a&gt;: you mean M L U N G U

ja boet, daai francois hougaard is &#039;n MWA vir seker.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2041053" rel="nofollow">Gunther(gunther)-177</a>: you mean M L U N G U</p>
<p>ja boet, daai francois hougaard is &#8216;n MWA vir seker.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn(Dawn)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041054</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn(Dawn)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moi?

Never.

Your hood is my salon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moi?</p>
<p>Never.</p>
<p>Your hood is my salon.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunther(gunther)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunther(gunther)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[M W A

Mhlungus with Atittude.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M W A</p>
<p>Mhlungus with Atittude.</p>
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		<title>By: Transformation(Transformation)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2011/11/15/province-pull-rank-on-euro-cup-match/#comment-2041051</link>
		<dc:creator>Transformation(Transformation)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2041048&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dawn(Dawn)-175&lt;/a&gt;: i guess i can&#039;t stop you if you insist on feeling patronised :cry: :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2041048" rel="nofollow">Dawn(Dawn)-175</a>: i guess i can&#8217;t stop you if you insist on feeling patronised <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif' alt=':cry:' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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