Spies to lead Bulls
16 Nov 2011
Pierre Spies has been awarded the Bulls captaincy while Wynand Olivier has been named as his deputy.
The Bulls have lost a number of senior players to overseas contracts and retirement. Danie Rossouw, Bakkies Botha, Gary Botha and Gurthro Steenkamp will continue their careers abroad, while Victor Matfield will hang up his boots after the Barbarians vs Wallabies clash at the end of the month.
Spies was up against Chiliboy Ralepelle for the Bulls captaincy, and the Bulls management felt the Bok No 8 was the right man to succeed Matfield. This despite Ralepelle’s record at age group level (he captained the Baby Boks to a World Championship title in 2005) and the fact that he’s already led the senior Bok team, albeit in two tour matches.
‘It was not such a big surprise though, as I had it in the back of my mind that I could be asked to lead the team when Victor retired,’ Spies said. ‘I was privileged in my career at the Bulls and the Springboks to play with great captains and I could certainly learn a lot from them.
‘I believe a captain should lead from the front and I hope that will be something that I can do successfully. There are huge challenges ahead, but we are all looking forward to that. This group is younger than in previous years, but we have the same goals as those squads and that is to win the competition.’
Meanwhile, Spies’s vice-captain will be sidelined for the next two months. Olivier has undergone a shoulder operation and will only be available to the Bulls in early February.
‘I like that responsibility. Anyone who wants to write off the Bulls because we lost players, do so at their own peril. I think we have a squad that can with the competition again. There are new faces, so there will be a challenge to make sure all share the same vision, but I see no problems in that. We have a great management team and coaching staff and they will get everyone to pull in the same direction.’
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16 Nov 2011, 19:58 pm
16 Nov 2011, 20:00 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-246: ““If you can take it and keep it it’s yours” system.” – I like that!
” rioting in the streets because people are accustomed to getting what they don’t really earn and are unwilling to take the pain associated with the auterity measures ” – Not quite correct and not quite so simple.
There is a difference between the indebtedness of the Greek and Italian man on the street and that of their respective governments… They are quite literally being screwed by the spending and incompetence of their governments. The personal debt of Italians especially is not high compared to other countries seen as “sound” by “markets”.
There is a big dis juncture between representatives (govt) and their people… even more so now with the instalment of unelected technocrats as leaders…
There is also a big dis juncture between the responsibility of the people – and the responsibility of their governments… Countries (people) have sleep walked straight into a new feudalism with banks, funds and technocrats as the new aristocrats…. They have been boggled by political bulldust and are now paying for the sins of their leadership.
This will not stop in Europe…. The tentacles of the squid are stretching everywhere in the biggest redistribution of wealth in the history of mankind.
16 Nov 2011, 20:01 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-248: There… So we can agree sometimes
16 Nov 2011, 20:04 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-251: lol. Its what janitors do when they mop floors… Think about stuff…
…and the end of the world as we know it
“The times… they are a chang – ing….”
16 Nov 2011, 20:06 pm
Redistribution of wealth?
Where??
16 Nov 2011, 20:06 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-253: I never ever thought that I would ever find a Tory Marxist.. one of life’s great mysteries.. Is it possiple??
Ladies and Gentlemen.. I give you HG
16 Nov 2011, 20:07 pm
Got to go
16 Nov 2011, 20:09 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-249:
100 percent excellent idea… I’ll come camp with you when the lights go down… Fark surviving on veggies and lentil soup… Only for the Camps Bay survivalists that….
16 Nov 2011, 20:12 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-255: Its happening – from the straight from the 99% to the 1%…. While everyone sleepwalks watching sport, Xfactor and Entertainment Channel…
16 Nov 2011, 20:15 pm
lol i have gone vegetarian, and NO its not cos of skop.
16 Nov 2011, 20:15 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-256: I am no Marxist… But when shithappens you look in all places for wisdom – even Marx. And sh.it is happening right now…
Fukuyama may also be right about the “End of History” too… But in a far more different way than he imagined.
16 Nov 2011, 20:18 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-260: Ag no Tree…Funny you say that because the banshee has been threatening to do that too… I dunno.
Whats happening with the world!!
16 Nov 2011, 20:18 pm
@HG…are you messing around or being serious ?
16 Nov 2011, 20:21 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-263: Half half tree… Part deadly serious, part taking a swazz…
16 Nov 2011, 20:24 pm
Fukuyama. Fifty buck vloekwoord. Am gonne use it.
16 Nov 2011, 20:26 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-265: Ja, Fukuyama too… Beat you to it.
16 Nov 2011, 20:28 pm
mmmmmmmmmm, Spies captain………………mmmmmmm ???
I see tears for the Bulls, cause this doos can’t lead from the front IMHO
16 Nov 2011, 20:34 pm
That was about the collapse of the economy.
The veggie thing will most probably not happen, so dont worry !:mrgreen:
If it does, you dont live off boiled veggies and salad i promise. My hub hasnt eaten meat (to him i say decaying in flesh to freak him out) for 10 days now and he just says he feels great and if he craves a piece of meat he will have biltonge and very quicky sayr its mumnfied not decaying lolol, was very funny. But seriously its his choice and i am fine with it, my friends never put pressure on me, its a life style choice only the individual should make.
16 Nov 2011, 20:39 pm
Just like my choice this past wknd 2 feed my old boy (horse) who died 2 the lions.
16 Nov 2011, 20:43 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-268: Oh dear, your poor hubby… Sounds like the bug.ger is long suffering
16 Nov 2011, 20:45 pm
Wow. “It was not such a big surprise though, as I had it in the back of my mind that I could be asked to lead the team when Victor retired,”
What a fckin nob!
16 Nov 2011, 20:49 pm
lol ofcos, just the way it should be.
16 Nov 2011, 20:53 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-268: Not collapse of economies – just a different existence… These countries still function – they still work…. Its just that money as a means to an end has become an end to itself…like the fish swallowing its own tail and consuming itself….
With financial WMDs farking everything sideways…Its like a piranha feeding frenzy
16 Nov 2011, 21:05 pm
so then its MAD. Am not good at all this strange finance stuff, sisters hub is one the partners at a pw and cooper in US, some specialisd field and never understand what he is saying.
16 Nov 2011, 21:05 pm
so then its MAD. Am not good at all this strange finance stuff.
16 Nov 2011, 21:06 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-252: I know it’s not that simple, as the Greek and Italian leadership are possibly the most inefficient and corrupt of them all, and I know that part of the rioting is about their wastage as much as anything else. That’s just as added dynamic but on a basic level my point stands.
That doesn’t change the fact that they now owe what the government has spent.
And they are unwilling to make the sacrifices required to pay up.
I’m not surprised, the average ignoramus never saw it coming.
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-268: Thanks Hugsy, I’m a reluctant eater of anything green, but when there is not much else, I’ll be at the front of the queue
On an aside, I read about your old fella passing. I’m really sorry about that. As a person so close to the plight and well being of all creatures this must have been a hard one for you.
I must say, kudo’s to you for the recycling, circle of life and all that, really respect that viewpoint.
@ Rangerman: Thanks bro, I’ve got my own gear so I’ll be right there next to you!
16 Nov 2011, 21:14 pm
Anyway, off to sharpen my spears…..
See ya’ll later. Much later….
16 Nov 2011, 21:18 pm
Averag ignoramus indeed
Howveryfucking rude
16 Nov 2011, 21:19 pm
@whatever(whatever)-267:
hahahaha
16 Nov 2011, 21:19 pm
thnx was easier than expected him being so old.
looks like i will have 2 pick sea weed lol was good at spearfishing even if the hub did insist i stayed in front of him.
you should chat 2 4man, we have had lovely chats on diveing, scuba and that, he has tons of expererience and more hair raising stories than me.
16 Nov 2011, 21:39 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-276: “on a basic level my point stands”…. No. Here it is not the fault of the people. It has nothing to do with the people. It is the fckup and speculation of the 1% affecting the 99%. A case of broken “capitalism”.
Tell me how the people will pay if they all just say “Fck you”!
Like economies not willing to let banks fail – the EU can’t let countries fail – or can they?
Complexity and interconnectedness suggests that if Greece and/or Italy fail then the whole EU fails… EU fails then the World is a different place…
Capitalism as it stands today with:
- Banks greasing its wheels…
- and Democracy that is in name only with clones in all “opposition” and “governing” parties
- and captured, monopolised Media which are nothing more than propaganda for the 1%
…..Is in the very process of breaking down or emerging into something new: A new technocratic feudalism…
16 Nov 2011, 21:45 pm
I am still pis sing myself laughing….
Spies and Timotei as his deuty……
What a farken joke…..simply speechless……incredible….
16 Nov 2011, 21:45 pm
Odd choice this.
Spies has never been prominent in any of the Bok or Bulls games I have seen. I always picture him as one of the shy guys stuck away at the back of the team photos.
Chilliboy would have seemed the obvious choice to me.
16 Nov 2011, 21:46 pm
And Olivier as vice
16 Nov 2011, 21:47 pm
Agh please the Greeks have balanced about 6 budgets in the last 60 years.
This is a country that only has about 500 swimming pools.
When you live beyond your means in the name of some nebulous political creed a hard rain is going to fall.
16 Nov 2011, 21:47 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-249: Don’t bother passing down your skills though – they reckon the sea will be devoid of fish by 2050. Pleasant times we have to look forward to.
16 Nov 2011, 21:50 pm
We should cull humans.
16 Nov 2011, 21:55 pm
@grant10(grant10)-282:
They have won more trophies than the stormers squad combined.
Go play with your duck and let the manne talk fruitboy.
16 Nov 2011, 21:56 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-275: Its one interlinking chain of indebtedness where nobody knows who owes who and economic “bubbles” happening with greater frequency…. Like so called climate change with more intense weather – hot getting hotter and cold getting colder, but everything supposedly getting warmer overall – there is an economic “climate change” happening…
Some would say its a rebalancing of world economic power… Others would say its the biggest con job in history… Other than the climate change con job of course…
16 Nov 2011, 21:59 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-283:
I think they are making too much of captaincy issue – its not such a big deal as in cricket- there is no reason why pierre S cannot do it as well as anyone else -imo a rugger captain is as good as his team – the aussies fired their captain a week before the wc and still won bronze- no big deal.
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-280:
Yip, 4 Man is Navy trained- he knows his stuff.
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-286:
It will be because of the Spanish and Japanese trawlers and longliners – Ranger and his speargun cannot really do much harm to the resources.
16 Nov 2011, 22:04 pm
Oi ! climate change is no con job, its the start of our world rebelling, we are systematically (sp) killing our world and she sick.
16 Nov 2011, 22:07 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-290: Absolutely not suggesting that Ranger is contributing to the issue. It’s commercial fishing that’s to blame, techniques like bottom-trawling that just kill and decimate absolutely everything in it’s path including all coral and just about every other life form down there.
16 Nov 2011, 22:08 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-290: you’re quite right WP/Stormers won the saffa conference with schalk as captain…perfect example of a team that has a superfluous cappie
16 Nov 2011, 22:09 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-290: in a rugby context you are probably right, but still, there are good captains and there are bad captains…
16 Nov 2011, 22:13 pm
captain’s are pretty much overrated imo, unless they can influence the ref, but the refs are having none of it these days in any case, I do believe a captain should lead by example, but am not sure Pierre is quite the example of captaincy one wants. He got big muscles but you want to see committment and someone all the players respect for that committment.
Strategy is left for the coaches and preparation and that often goes out the window too. A good captain like a good coach is probably better than a bad captain or coach, but i’d much rather have the best players selected and playing with committment for each other.
16 Nov 2011, 22:16 pm
Compare McCaw and Spies and tell me which one screams captaincy material and which one doesn’t.
16 Nov 2011, 22:16 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-292: @Robzim(Robzim)-290: ja, i take only what i eat. have cut out purchasing any kind of seafood at all and take just for the pot.
no bycatch,no litter, no hooks, line, bait etc.
but ja, it does concern me greatly what is happening to our oceans.
16 Nov 2011, 22:18 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-291:
Feeding your old horse to the lions, excellent recycling!!
Sorry he died, but he made a pride of lions very contented and he probably gave you many happy hours too!!
16 Nov 2011, 22:20 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-297:
It is the rubbish in the oceans that I find really terrible.
Rolling banks of polythene bags and plastic bottles!!
What are humans thinking?
16 Nov 2011, 22:24 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-292:
You are right, amazing that South Africa is not doing so badly in this regard- our bottom trawling (hake) fishery is quite well managed and is even recovering at the moment with good prospects for the future. Our inshore resources (abalone and rock lobster) are another story with poaching threatening to decimate stocks.
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