Board to tackle Bok post
17 Nov 2011
The process for appointing a new Springbok coach is top of the agenda in an executive committee meeting of the South African Rugby Union in Cape Town on Thursday.
Among other issues on the table are the proposed six-team Currie Cup, Test match venues for 2012 and the Kings’ planned participation in Super Rugby in 2013, although keo.co.za understands that the Eastern Cape franchise are certainties. That discussion is likely to deal with details around their inclusion, not their inclusion itself.
As for the coaching role, it appears there are pre-determined favourites. Stormers and Western Province coach Allister Coetzee seems the preferred man for the job, with WP director of rugby Rassie Erasmus touted to fill a similar role at national level. There is sure to be discontent among potential suitors if Peter de Villiers’ successor is headhunted (as opposed to the lengthy process of calling for applications and interviewing shortlisted candidates it has followed in the past).
De Villiers has indicated that he will apply for the post, while others like Gert Smal, who coached the Springboks’ forwards to a world title in 2007, has also been mentioned. Smal’s successor Gary Gold last week said he would love the challenge of being the head coach.
World Cup winning coach Jake White has consistently spoken about his desire for another tenure, but others like John Mitchell of the Lions and Heyneke Meyer of the Bulls are unlikely to throw their names into the hat.
82 Comments
17 Nov 2011, 09:56 am
Bout time…
17 Nov 2011, 10:11 am
i can forsee the Kings getting shafted…
17 Nov 2011, 10:12 am
After looking at all the possible options: Mallet, Meyer, Rassie, Coetzee, Smal, Mitchell, Drotske, Plumtree and even threw Wayne Smith in the mix, my dream coach would be Ewan Mckenzie.
17 Nov 2011, 10:15 am
If the head hunting option holds sway, then forget all the denials by the available coaches.
They can write their own terms, which would be a massive change.
17 Nov 2011, 10:15 am
Gert Smal?
Can’t help but think if they replace Allister Coetzee at the Stormers, they’ll be undoing all the good work they’ve done this season.
That being said, I think the most important role would be that of National Coaching Director. Rassie seems innovative enough.
Long as they don’t give the jobs to some joker with a poor record I’ll be supportive of the person who gets it
17 Nov 2011, 10:16 am
Give P-Divvy the Eastern Province job and see what he’s really made of.
17 Nov 2011, 10:17 am
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-3:
Not a bad option.
He in my opinion is a better fit for Australia than Robbie.
Whether he is also a better fit for SA than a home grown alternative, I have worries.
17 Nov 2011, 10:18 am
Kings really had to win the CC 1st division to be considered for the S15. Bulldogs and SWD will add zero to their chances of success at higher level.
Consider that the team who thrashed them in the final will contribute maybe one, two people tops to the Stormers squad. Just a little perspective.
17 Nov 2011, 10:22 am
@Brads(Brads)-7: Mckenzie seems to get the best out of Genia and Copper.
Time is NOW for a foreign coach, I reckon
17 Nov 2011, 10:23 am
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-9: Cooper.
17 Nov 2011, 10:25 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-6: no thank you, Solly is out guy, yesses!
17 Nov 2011, 10:25 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-11: our
17 Nov 2011, 10:30 am
Interesting that Mallett is not mentioned once in this article… He’s just turned down the England job and is heading home to Cape Town…
And also, please explain “There is a growing sense that Stormers and Western Province coach Allister Coetzee is the preferred man for the job, with WP director of rugby Rassie Erasmus touted to fill a similar role at national level.”
Where is this sense growing? Who are these idiots that think this? I reckon this is nothing more than Keo nonsense, I have heard of nothing more than a small minority who think Coetzee is the right man for the job.
17 Nov 2011, 10:30 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-11: Solly is a top guy. Was an inspirational head coach at the Stormers with HM as his deputy.
The Stormers “Black Campaign” in 1999 was something never seen in South African rugby. 40000 people 6 weeks in a row.
17 Nov 2011, 10:35 am
Let the Kings fight their way into the competition. They need to prove they are up to the job, it;’s no good them drafting players from other unions thereby diluting the strength of those unions just to force them into the Super comp.
The whole point was to give the Eastern Cape some exposure and access, but they do not have the team (yet) to justify inclusion.
To give it to them under these conditions screams tokenism.
17 Nov 2011, 10:37 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-15: All the King’s carthorses and all the King’s journeymen…
17 Nov 2011, 10:43 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-16: Ed Zachery
17 Nov 2011, 10:46 am
Saru Board to discuss Bok post.
It makes my eyeballs bleed just thinking about it.
17 Nov 2011, 10:51 am
@Gunther(gunther)-18: I shudder to think. Starts with an hour and a half of standing around muttering to each other followed by an agenda followed by a vote on something followed by finger lunch followed by another vote on something which feels awfully like deja-vu, followed by a walk-out followed by another vote and tea followed by a press conference announcing Chester as the new coach for the next 8 years.
17 Nov 2011, 10:56 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-13: I think this is where that stems from and all are valid points to be fair:
“White went on to add that Coetzee’s subsequent accomplishments had proven his readiness for the task.
“The Stormers have finished second on the Super Rugby log twice in the past two years under Allister, something that shouldn’t be shirked at. He’s been groomed by SA Rugby to do the job, and it would be wrong of them not to pick him at the last hurdle again.”
“He’s coached SA ‘A’, SA Under-23, been an assistant Bok coach – how could they not pick him? He’s gone through the ranks and has a list of achievements to show it would be an injustice if they don’t pick him,” White added.
17 Nov 2011, 10:57 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-2:
ja, but its just another bunch of white guys…
17 Nov 2011, 10:57 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-19:
Oy vey.
A finger lunch?
The SARU secretary will be walking funny for a week.
Some of those up country manne have very fat fingers.
17 Nov 2011, 11:01 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-19:
17 Nov 2011, 11:17 am
AC should have been appointed Bok coach after White, continuity would have set the Boks up well! Oh well he may/hopefully get the job now.
AC was quoted as saying he would have continued in the Jake White way, post RWC2007,which would have been good!
Maybe he AC will ask Eddie Jones to come on board or even Gert Smal again!!!
Rather AC than PDV again!!
17 Nov 2011, 11:40 am
Who exactly is on this Executive Committee?
17 Nov 2011, 11:43 am
AC it is then,
get the stationary printed.
Office door name changed,
carpark allocated,
Press release drafted……………………………. and SA Rugby will hit the ground running.
choice.
17 Nov 2011, 11:56 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-15: Are you for real! How did the Stormers, Sharks and Bulls fight their way in? Or the Western Force and Rebels? When you are given Super status, you can attract the players and your pool for sellection of players becomes larger. Your post smacks of prejudice.
17 Nov 2011, 11:57 am
Anyone not supported by keo (and Rian Oberholzer).
17 Nov 2011, 12:00 pm
And another thing. The Bulls bought up one of our players and the Stormers bought another one of our players with the Crusaders getting another one. Not to mention how many the Sharks have been stealing over the years. Until we can promise them top flight rugby, they will continue to leave, and you lot will continue to say we don’t have the quality players and the vicious circle continues with EP getting punished.
17 Nov 2011, 12:01 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-26:
To see a World in a grain of sand,
And Heaven in a wild flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.
17 Nov 2011, 12:02 pm
On the coaching issue. AC would be a mistake.
17 Nov 2011, 12:08 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-30:
“William Blake,
then surely you are a Dead Man.”
Nobody.
8)
17 Nov 2011, 12:09 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-31:
You cannot please all the people all the friggen time.
AC it is.
8)
17 Nov 2011, 12:15 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-32:
what manner of poetry you spit as words,
if you were a woman you would complete me,
alas you are not…
17 Nov 2011, 12:18 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-27: Am i for real???
For once, take a step outside of your own predjudices and consider this objectively.
On what basis should the EP Kings be given a franchise to the exclusion of an existing one? Tell me that rather than attempting to pull the predjudice card on me?
17 Nov 2011, 12:20 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-34:
The only thing I know of Bill Blake, is what I saw in a movie called “Dead Man”.
I my view a cinema-graphic masterpiece.
17 Nov 2011, 12:24 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-35: Why shouldn’t EP be given a chance? Look at how long it took before the Cheetahs had a decent season.
17 Nov 2011, 12:24 pm
Actually the Yanks did really well today in the Foursomes.
The only pairing to lose were Tiger and Stricker.
My money is still on the Internationals.
17 Nov 2011, 12:26 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-29:
“………….. with the Crusaders getting another one.”
What player did the dastardly Crusaders poach from you?
17 Nov 2011, 12:31 pm
AC it is
And when he takes charge the Springboks will inherit all the problems of the Stormers – no BMT and no Balls !
17 Nov 2011, 12:33 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-39: Ross kennedy
17 Nov 2011, 12:33 pm
All hail the dastardly SADERS !!!
17 Nov 2011, 12:35 pm
@stew(stew)-40: Spoken like someone who hasn’t watch the Stormers over the last two years!
I want Rassie and AC to remain at the Stormers to continue building on their good work. Let someone else coach the Boks.
17 Nov 2011, 12:35 pm
It is AC
And he will have no Performance Clause on his contract, the appointment will have nothingg to do with rugby coaching capabilities at a test level or his provent 1st Class Rugby track record
So it’s the likeable AC by default.
No reputable foreign coach will raise his hand, none would be considered anyway
17 Nov 2011, 12:35 pm
oh vok
AC and Rassie
Farken long 4 years ahead I tell you….
Batten down the hatches…….HKGK
17 Nov 2011, 12:36 pm
@stew(stew)-41:
Well you learn something everyday.
8)
17 Nov 2011, 12:37 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-37: To the exclusion of an existing franchise which competes in the Premier division of the Currie Cup and has for the last 25 years?
I don’t have a problem with the Kings earning a slot by firstly getting into the premier division and then being competative there for a year or two.
What about the commercial interests of the existing union that will now no longer have a Super Rugby Team?
All because the politicians have some romanticised view of the eastern cape as some unrealised potential as a rugby goldmine of talent??
Let them be strong enough to deserve it. Then they can play. If they are an additional team in a Super 16 comp that’s also fine with me.
If the Kings get into the Premier division and can stay there as one of the top 5 teams then also, I can get behind that.
17 Nov 2011, 12:40 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-43: So sorry the Stormers strike fear into every kiwi team that plays them !!!! just fell off my chair laughing !!!!
17 Nov 2011, 12:42 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-43: Sorry we cant pick on the Bulls everyday – seriously though dont you think your team lacks BMT ??????
17 Nov 2011, 12:48 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-35:
EP simply also a larger growth potential than say Free State.The Lions have been a picture of medicrity for over a decade.Same with Cheetahs…
Yet the above teams are “traditional big 5″ now purely because they have superrugby status…That allows the teams to have a bigger budget and recruit top quality. yet they STILL havent used that to their fullest potential. Those administrations in those regions even with safety net of superrugby are below par.
Rebels,Force where passed as superrugby teams were passed becasue the regions are large commercial centres. If kings were granted that status pending inclusion in say 2years or so,you cant deny their recruitment powers would change greatly. Its like college football conferences where certain conferences are more illustrious due to greater TV coverage thus more sponsorships,tv money as audience is larger,national coverage etc when a team to moved or negotiates movement to pack 10 in NCAA football…The dynamics of their programme change altogether.Its a big deal.
Similiar analogy here,
17 Nov 2011, 12:50 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-43:
AC will ‘answer’ The Party’s call of duty, wanna take a bet?
17 Nov 2011, 12:53 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-47: Yes, sacrifices have to be made. EP have been raped from pillar to post and they will continue to be if not granted top flight rugby.
@stew(stew)-48: We beat ALL Kiwi teams in 2010 and really only lost to the Crusaders in 2011. We’re the one provincial side who has the beating of you guys.
@stew(stew)-49: No. We’re getting to the point where we challenge for the trophies on a regular basis and that is a huge achievement given where we came from. We made the 2010 final after beating all the Kiwi teams and made the semis in 2011, topping the SA confluence. We’ll start taking titles as soon as we stop injuring our players.
17 Nov 2011, 12:54 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-51: Unlike you, I rate him as a coach and reject racism of any and every sort.
17 Nov 2011, 12:54 pm
@stew(stew)-48:
Y
17 Nov 2011, 12:55 pm
John Mitchell or Eddie Jones and no politics and we would win …
17 Nov 2011, 12:58 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-52: did the stormers beat the chiefs?
17 Nov 2011, 13:00 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-47:
The problem was caused by SARU, when they went out to tender for the 5th Franchise after the Lions/Cheetahs split. They should never have allowed the unions to decide who they wanted to partner with.
When you consider that the EC is the largest and oldest black rugby playing province in SA, it was criminal to exclude them.
As Rossineri says, without an S15 franchise, the region will never attract the top players. Boland, by comparison to EP, is part of a Franchise and a feeder for WP and the Stormers, as you well know.
17 Nov 2011, 13:01 pm
@J.B. Cowper(J.B. Cowper)-55:
Two Prophets unwanted in their own lands.
(good luck with, Head like a Baboooon’s Buttocks, and Judas Jones).
8)
17 Nov 2011, 13:02 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-52: I am reffering to BMT issue because as you saw last season you were hammered twice by the Saders , at your home ground , these are matches you must win ? Would irritate me
17 Nov 2011, 13:02 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-58: Geez I wish for once we could just pick a coach on merit. AC may be a decent choice but he is clearly not the best option.
17 Nov 2011, 13:04 pm
@David(David)-57:
We do not need anymore Teams in Super Rugby David.
Not without a complete revamp of the stucture anyway.
17 Nov 2011, 13:05 pm
@stew(stew)-48:
You got it!
With the home refereeing of Joubert and Jonker only the Crusaders might have a reasonable chance at Newlands, as it was demonstrated this year.
Nevertheless, The Stormers will be weaker in 2012, they haven’t replaced Fondsa and Louw, with Burger fast approaching 30 and Becker’s return not yet medically guaranteed they may not make the Play-offs in 2012
17 Nov 2011, 13:05 pm
I must admit that there is nothing more exciting in world rugby than the selection of the new Springbok coach – it is like the finale of Bold & the Beautiful for guys !!!!!
17 Nov 2011, 13:07 pm
One of the advantages of the new Executive Committee, is that it isn’t the Presidents Council, and doesn’t carry the same prejudices or agendas. From that aspect, I can’t see there being any resistance to Mallet if he was available.
17 Nov 2011, 13:10 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-61:
I agree, but the revamp would be done in SA, and that’s where the sh*t’s going to hit the fan amongst the local fans and franchises.
17 Nov 2011, 13:18 pm
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-60:
Life is about comprise Skeppie.
AC it will be.
8)
17 Nov 2011, 13:21 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-62:
Who do you support?
17 Nov 2011, 13:26 pm
SARU
Bunch of Idiots
Wonder who the next Affirmitave Action coach will be?
Don’t really care
17 Nov 2011, 13:40 pm
@stew(stew)-59: Crusaders were beaten in 2010. AC has a very impressive win-loss record as a Super coach. Injuries hampered the second 2011 Saders match.
17 Nov 2011, 13:49 pm
Anyone but Gold. Seriously
17 Nov 2011, 14:04 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-69:
Great excuse
17 Nov 2011, 14:10 pm
Pick Mallett with a hope that it can be an eight year run of continuous improvement, but with performance based renewal/termination. Give him clear goals and get out of his way.
That’s what you would do if the objective is sustained rugby success. But that is not the objective, and fans will have to accept more of the dim-witted decision making that made Hoskins and co look so totally incompetent over the last four years.
By the way, why are they only now talking about process? It was no surprise that PdV was moving on. The post RWC musical chairs has been going on for weeks already.
17 Nov 2011, 14:19 pm
@The Gloater – formerly cane(cane)-36:
i will google that and see if i can get it… on your recommendation.
sounds like there’s a few dead men in there… were they dressed in black?
i like a dead man in black…
8)
17 Nov 2011, 14:21 pm
@funkyzoo(funkyzoo)-72:
If Mallett makes himself available, he’s the best candidate for the job by far.
I just can’t see it though.
17 Nov 2011, 14:23 pm
@funkyzoo(funkyzoo)-72: well, because PdV’s contract has another month to go and SARU are being pro-active in discussing this now, agreeing on terms of reference and a way forward ie call for applications or approach individuals like the NZRU did just 2 weeks ago.
17 Nov 2011, 14:28 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-67:
hondo supports any person who is not black…
17 Nov 2011, 14:34 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-75:
One problem though is, if they take too long, a lot of current Boks contracts expire along with PdeVs. If they don’t know where they stand they’ll probably take others overseas to make up the loss.
17 Nov 2011, 14:44 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-67:
It’s impartial,
I support an honest, un biased rugby first, not the kind where the ref openly bent the results (like in the Waratahs vs Bulls) followed his employers instructions or a rugby driven by a forced selection policy, then I support the Lions and the Bulls (Midrand style,,,)
Congrats to the Bulls for summing some courage to select Spies, missing the play-offs in 2011 obviously had hurt them pretty bad financially, Willie Wepener will provide power and stability at their front row which is all they need!
money talks!
17 Nov 2011, 14:51 pm
Peter de Villiers
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17 Nov 2011, 14:52 pm
Funny Transformation! Yep, they probably think waiting for a month before the end of someone’s contract is proactive. How long do they think it would take someone to transition out of another job, move, find schools etc. even after a new contract is signed?
Proactive? Yeah, like wetting your pants before going to the toilet.
They should be announcing the new coach right about now.
Clown show.
22 Nov 2011, 04:59 am
Oz hired a SA coach for their cricket team and a Kiwi for their rugby team.
There’s open-headed thinking for you.
22 Nov 2011, 05:46 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-81:
South Africa have two NZ head-coach’s in the S15… New Zealand have zero international coach’s in the S15… what’s your point?
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