Lions pivot training with Stormers
22 Nov 2011
Burton Francis ran with the Stormers when the Cape franchise began their pre-season training schedule on Monday.
Francis, who recently parted ways with the Lions, was in Cape Town on Monday running through drills with the Stormers. Officially, the Stormers have contracted only three new players in Joe Pietersen (Bayonne), Deon Carstens (Saracens) and Gerhard van den Heever (Bulls), but Francis could potentially provide further cover for the Stormers in the problematic flyhalf position.
The Boland trio of Bolla Conradie, Elgar Watts and Clemen Lewis also trained with the team on Monday. Having a player of Conradie’s experience in the greater training group will be a boon for the Stormers, and no doubt Watts’s performance in Boland’s title-clinching First Division campaign may have given head coach Allister Coetzee food for thought.
The Stormers recently lost promising flyhalf Lionel Cronje to the Bulls, and aside from Peter Grant, are lacking in experienced No 10s. Kurt Coleman has been exposed to Super Rugby while Demetri Catrakilis and Gary van Aswegen have played Currie Cup rugby, but none of the three, nor Watts for that matter, are established at Super Rugby level.
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23 Nov 2011, 14:11 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-599:
Mpundulu has always been terrified of men that wear dresses since an unfortunate incident involving an adam’s apple.
23 Nov 2011, 14:11 pm
@Upho(ufo)-597: Ok I’m lost, you just think something up and it has no relevance to national security, and I’m supposed to do what with it?
23 Nov 2011, 14:12 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-600:
ahhah.
and there is the rub.
because who is opposing your suit?
the government….with the deepest pockets of them all.
23 Nov 2011, 14:13 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-596:
i don’t deny men of the cloth are fallible.. in fact more so than the rest because of the higher standards to which they should abide…
(in a nutshell)… but who was the person traversing the planet calling for sanctions on south africa very publicly openly and in the ears of world leaders when very few in the anc had that sort of access…??
and the only reason why de klerk ‘negotiated’ was because of sanctions…
if you believe otherwise it is a sad pity…
juju and his boys say ‘whites’ want to rewrite ‘black’ history because they said one struggle song was an incitement to kill…
now you want to rewrite black history to exclude Desmond Tutu…??
eish…
23 Nov 2011, 14:14 pm
@Upho(ufo)-598: It has been done in consultation, hence the changing of the first bill!
23 Nov 2011, 14:16 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-603:
God bless taxpayers.
23 Nov 2011, 14:16 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-599: Ok, I’m not sure how one gauges the extent of charlatanism, maybe you can provide a guide. Don’t be upset about tutu my little gunt many people you look up to in the public are not what they seem.
23 Nov 2011, 14:19 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-602:
well mpundulu…
i keep asking you what specifically do we have to protect… what information…?
you steadfastly refuse to give me ANY examples…
so i offered some ‘examples’ which in the rest of the world (as you keep insisting that if the rest of the world can have state secrets, why not south africa…) well in the rest of the world state secrets are typically nuclear and military technology and medical advancements because of the billions made by new drugs, cures etc…
so if you think nuclear, military andy medical technology are not relevant in the south african context…
please… i ask again… give me specific examples of what information or technology YOU would consider need protecting by secrecy so that it doesn’t fall into the hands of ‘bleddy agents’..!!
23 Nov 2011, 14:20 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-607: You care to expand on that?
As opposed to just slating him, can we have a bit of proof?
With “him” I refer to the Arch, not Gunther.
23 Nov 2011, 14:21 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-605: i see one of the main points of the Bill you conviniently failed to mention was this:
any government official who classifies information NOT considered as being valuable to the state faces up to 3 years in jail.
now tell me, if the info has been shelved, who is to determine if it is of interest to the state, Min of State Security?
23 Nov 2011, 14:21 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-605:
that was consultation… ???
okay…
that was transparent…???
okay…
23 Nov 2011, 14:23 pm
mpundulu…
have you met and/or held any discussions with Tutu..?
23 Nov 2011, 14:25 pm
@Upho(ufo)-604: A number of things, when tutu was enthroned as archbishop in the 80′s, he was a person of special interest with the US government to the extent to which an African American human rights lawyer in DC had to speak to George Bush snr at the time he was the director of the CIA to lift the notification of tutu, tutu did not have access to presidents, whoever told you that is pulling your string, in tutu’s trips to the states, he mostly dealt with church leaders and non profit organizations, he did interact with the UN but not in an official capacity to effect sanctions on SA. Yes he cries a lot but he did not provide us with freedom.
The primary reason to de klerk’s negotiating with the anc was not owing to a crying archbishop but rather as a consequence of economic constraints, international pressure, and increasing state insecurity. Furthermore, the negotiations with the nats started in the early 80′s. You give tutu too much.
23 Nov 2011, 14:28 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-609:
Indeed.
I am a well know charlatan.
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-607:
now now let’s not be patronising.
I don’t look up to anybody.
I find it hilarious that somebody who has spent the morning defending a corrupt and nefarious regime then refers to Tuts as a “monetizing charlatan”
the irony is exquisite.
So no just one example will do.
rather than heresay on the interweb.
anfd then you can tell who was consulted on the bill and in what way.
Then you can continue at the trough with my blessing.
23 Nov 2011, 14:33 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-613:
and you give him no credit at all… shame on you…
who was THE loudest voice calling for sanctions… it was tutu… and if you think he didn’t meet world leaders you’re ill-informed and/or naive… or have an agenda against the man…
did you know that mandela and the anc were still classified as a ‘terrorists’ by the us government as recently as 2007? shocking but true… but that didn’t stop mandela or any of the other leaders having access to world leaders either…
sheesh man…
please answer the question posted by someone above…
give us specific examples of tutu’s charlatanism… or his dishonesty… or his fraudulence, deceit and deception…??
c’mon bud…
put up or shut up…
23 Nov 2011, 14:33 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-613: Negotiations started in ’86 by Mandela without the knowledge of the ANC leadership. Strike 1.
Strike 2. Tutu won the Nobel Peace Prize for his anti-apartheid leadership
Yes, a combination of various factors led to the downfall of the Apartheid regime and it is incorrect to say Tutu was the main reason Apartheid collapsed (what about Tambo etc). However, to degenerate Tutu is to commit the opposite error and to call him a charlatan says more about you than it does about him.
23 Nov 2011, 14:34 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-609: I can’t give you specifics as it would reveal my identity, and though tutu cries a lot he still has a lot influence in the party, but let me say I’ve known him for most of my life.
23 Nov 2011, 14:36 pm
612.Upho:
23 Nov 2011, 14:23 pm
mpundulu… have you ever met and/or held any discussions with Tutu..?
ever…?
23 Nov 2011, 14:36 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-616: Even Mandela admits they were not negotiations but merely an interaction not superseding any negotiation efforts by the anc.
23 Nov 2011, 14:36 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-591:
what? insult? me? 
23 Nov 2011, 14:37 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-617: He does? Hmmmm.
As for revealing your identity: Surely you’d not be the only individual privy to the information?
23 Nov 2011, 14:39 pm
@Upho(ufo)-618: Many dinners, lunches in bishops court over a number of years, we’d also meet on occasion in the states when I was studying there, whenever, he’d visit the north east. We still met whilst he’s archbishop emeritus, so I know him well.
23 Nov 2011, 14:40 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-616:
michael… what you say is true… but i was giving a précis version on a blog… why i say he is the main reason is that OT was classified as a terrorist and could not travel as freely around the world (or to the states) as could tutu…
but i am not diminishing OTs contribution or leadership at all… or other leaders… simply pointing out the practicalities of the immense public platform that tutu had… and used… to ratchet up the pressure…
23 Nov 2011, 14:42 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-617:
not good enough pundie.
give us ONE example.
if he is such a charlatan their should be so many no?
oink oink.
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-619:
what did they interact about?
the weather?
hint interaction = informal negotiaitons.
you are so full of it.
23 Nov 2011, 14:46 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-622:
okay so you know him well… and yet you doubt his sincerity and credentials…??
i too have met him on several occasions and found him to be sincere and honest…
last question… over all these meetings and cosy dinners… how many times have you… to his face… called him a
“charlatan who would find some way to monetize his position!”
or did you behave like a charlatan and sycophantically enjoy his largesse and company without referring to him as a charlatan…??
23 Nov 2011, 14:49 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-624: I can’t you an example or examples as they are too specific. The interaction between Mandela and the nats was effectively one of the nats giving Mandela the terms of his conditional release not a negotiation!
23 Nov 2011, 14:54 pm
@Upho(ufo)-625: My enjoying his largesse, without hoisting my own petard I come from money, and tutu acquired his largesse after I had mine for quite sometime. Do you go around providing your true feelings to everyone you engage with really, doesn’t seem like a sustainable model. Besides I have known for many years about tutu, he’s probably aware that I know, and besides I meet many people across the world who have done things that are not inspiring but are still a good laugh!
23 Nov 2011, 14:57 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-619: Read Mandela’s Conservations with Myself. He says outright they were negotiations to lay the groundwork for full negotiations. Anyways, you conveniently ignored my correction that such discussions did not start in the early 1980s. They started in the mid-1980s. It’s hard to take you seriously when you get such simple facts wrong.
23 Nov 2011, 14:59 pm
@Upho(ufo)-623: Tutu and Tambo worked well together towards the ultimate goal.
23 Nov 2011, 14:59 pm
@Upho(ufo)-623: That’s also inaccurate, with mdm, udf, etc etc., coupled with the churches group that increased pressure in SA not tutu alone. OR in exile through Thabo was incredibly effective in running the political global wing of the anc and the military wing in Africa. OR played a pivotal role to galvanize state support for sanctions to be effected.
23 Nov 2011, 15:01 pm
@Upho(ufo)-623: Don’t forget Tambo addressing the UN.
I think we’ll agree that many figures and factors worked together
23 Nov 2011, 15:03 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-626: Ok now I know you’ve lost it.
23 Nov 2011, 15:03 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-628: Ok they started in the mid 80′s and not the early 80′s, comfortable now? Actually impossible to take you seriously at all.
23 Nov 2011, 15:06 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-633: Well done. You passed the re-take test of the one question History 101 paper.
23 Nov 2011, 15:07 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-627:
of course these is no need to insult people to their faces… but it is surprising (not) that feeling as strongly as you do… and as erudite as you are… you never once thought of questioning him about charlatanismship….???
so who is the real charlatan then…?
a nobel peace prize winner respected by just about everyone… (except mpundulu)
or a man who acknowledges he is not honest with those whom he socializes…?
hmmm… let me think…?
personally i will not socialize with people i do not respect or believe are charlatans or dishonest… i will certainly not have dinners with them… not for business, not for politics, not for personal interests whatsoever…
sure we are all forced to do business with people we don’t like… but that is different…
but i will not do business with someone i feel is dishonest… and certainly not with someone i know is dishonest…
23 Nov 2011, 15:11 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-630:
c’mon bud…
you mean to tell me that you honestly believe any of those organizations had the international public platform of tutu…
maybe in south africa we don’t respect our tall poppies… but in the rest of the world… the real world… a nobel peace prize is a very big deal and opens up doors and ears that would otherwise be shut…
sheesh… you are letting your loathing of the man get in the way of the facts…
23 Nov 2011, 15:14 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-631:
yes… of course michael… as i said earlier.. i was not trying to denigrate or diminish the role played by anyone else…
just referring to the incredible platform enjoyed and used by tutu to spread the message…. for the struggle…
to deny his role (not you… but mpundulu) is simply not being honest IMO…
23 Nov 2011, 15:18 pm
okay… i give up…
outta here
been interesting…
cheers
23 Nov 2011, 15:22 pm
@Upho(ufo)-635:
to be fair the arch runs a very good table.
he serves a particularly fine Amontillado.
Pundie didn’t have a go at the Arch out of a sense of Noblesse Oblige.
He had his money before Tuts charlataned his (you have to wonder how old he is
).
Punds did you make your own money or are you the son of a chief?
23 Nov 2011, 15:32 pm
I met this person this morning that knows a bit of the rugby ‘ royalty’ in SA.
Asked this person who is necy Bok coach?
Answered witout a second of hesitation…..Mallet….
Fark me ….hope it is true
23 Nov 2011, 15:40 pm
@grant10(grant10)-640: Only problem is Mallett said he is taking a break from coaching jobs until June.
23 Nov 2011, 15:41 pm
@grant10(grant10)-640: SARU should never have fired Nick to begin with.
23 Nov 2011, 15:41 pm
@Upho(ufo)-635: If that’s your perspective, that you won’t deal with dishonest people, cheats, and liars then in my line of business you’d be a pauper as the only people you could deal with are new born babies! I don’t dislike tutu, he’s got an incredible sense of humor and loves his good quality scotch, however, with that said he’s a charlatan and I know for a fact, I say this without passion nor prejudice, I know people have to get ahead and they do what they can, it’s life.
23 Nov 2011, 15:42 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-639: Family money.
23 Nov 2011, 15:43 pm
@Upho(ufo)-637: I guess only charlatans win the Nobel Peace Prize. LOL
23 Nov 2011, 15:46 pm
@Upho(ufo)-636: To be fair to tutu I believe like a lot of people he did what he could, he’s done a lot of good work, I’m not taking that away from him at all. I just disagree that he was pivotal to SA achieving freedom.
23 Nov 2011, 15:46 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-641: yip….my money still on AC……
now there is a farken charlatan
23 Nov 2011, 15:47 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-645: Being a charlatan does not mean you can’t do good things too!
23 Nov 2011, 15:50 pm
mallet
‘mitchell
B Venter
all the rest are charlatans
23 Nov 2011, 15:51 pm
plod
pdv
spies
all charlatans
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