Lions pivot training with Stormers
22 Nov 2011
Burton Francis ran with the Stormers when the Cape franchise began their pre-season training schedule on Monday.
Francis, who recently parted ways with the Lions, was in Cape Town on Monday running through drills with the Stormers. Officially, the Stormers have contracted only three new players in Joe Pietersen (Bayonne), Deon Carstens (Saracens) and Gerhard van den Heever (Bulls), but Francis could potentially provide further cover for the Stormers in the problematic flyhalf position.
The Boland trio of Bolla Conradie, Elgar Watts and Clemen Lewis also trained with the team on Monday. Having a player of Conradie’s experience in the greater training group will be a boon for the Stormers, and no doubt Watts’s performance in Boland’s title-clinching First Division campaign may have given head coach Allister Coetzee food for thought.
The Stormers recently lost promising flyhalf Lionel Cronje to the Bulls, and aside from Peter Grant, are lacking in experienced No 10s. Kurt Coleman has been exposed to Super Rugby while Demetri Catrakilis and Gary van Aswegen have played Currie Cup rugby, but none of the three, nor Watts for that matter, are established at Super Rugby level.
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23 Nov 2011, 15:51 pm
@grant10(grant10)-649: Don’t rule out PdV!
23 Nov 2011, 15:53 pm
bissy
F Hougaard
Not charlatans
23 Nov 2011, 15:54 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-651: please no….
Tutu will do a better job……
23 Nov 2011, 15:55 pm
Fat Boys Club
Charlatans I tell you
23 Nov 2011, 15:55 pm
proteas
bafana bafana
charlatans
23 Nov 2011, 15:57 pm
@grant10(grant10)-653: At least we can agree on one thing, a tutu-PdV coaching ticket would if anything be bloody funny with ample tears.
23 Nov 2011, 16:00 pm
When there is just a very small sniff of their luxury and the lifestyle it affords being threatened, then the derelicts/social misfits are like a mad, rabid swarm of vultures hovering over a morsel of carrion. Madness reigns!
It all just reeks of false probes of newfound concerns for the “poor villagers”, the lower echelons of society or the average man in the street or whatever other garbage they come up with.
Corruption and even its attempts to secretively cover it up(even potentially here) is nothing new to Africa south of the Limpopo. Have you forgotten your Jimmy Kruger or Connie Mulder or Eschel Rhoodie? Have you forgotten the myriad of Swiss and other accounts of deceit?
The only difference then as against now(potentially) is that their milk and honey was not threatened then and as long as they benefitted they did not care as they now seemingly do.
What better a sight can one hope for than misfits on Keo tearing each other apart at the joints and seams and across all hues such that even ‘Roebucked’ Gunt(‘C’ for G) stands side by side with A Sham Poopol as his brother in farty mischief.
I certainly will be enjoying myself immensely in less than 72 hrs. time amongst this sick lot, except that here it is easier as they are overconcentrated and stupidly deceitful and dishonest.
What a way to close off these final days of the last year of a highly successful WC cycle.
23 Nov 2011, 16:01 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-656: LOL
Yes….
Zille / Mallet combo would be fascinating too……
23 Nov 2011, 16:02 pm
@ET.(ET.)-657: Hi ET….You have been scarce…what the devil you been up to young man?
23 Nov 2011, 16:08 pm
@Grant. Is Meyer a charlatan just because of Spies as captain?
23 Nov 2011, 16:14 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-656: Mpundulu, you sound like the oke who penned this in January 2005
Those described as “icons” by the group categorised by Mteto Nyati as “the white elite” are black leaders who are seen by this “elite” as being those most sensitive and sympathetic to these “white fears”, regardless of the truth or otherwise of this determination.
That sensitivity is represented as the sustained communication by the “icons” of messages considered as very reassuring by “the white elite”, which harbours deep-seated fears that white South Africa continues to be threatened by a “swart gevaar” (“black danger”).
As compared to patriots such as the ANC Secretary General Kgalema Motlanthe, “the white elite” sees Archbishop Tutu as one of these “reassuring” black leaders, a guarantor of white safety and security from the “swart gevaar”, regardless of how he sees his role in democratic South Africa.
His words and actions are seen as constituting the interventions required to banish the burdensome “white fears”. For this reason, certainly the white section of the “elite” accords the Archbishop an “iconic” status.
Let us now return to the matter of the “yap-dog”, Kgalema Motlanthe. The Secretary General of our movement, Kgalema Motlanthe, belongs among the outstanding cadres of our movement and people who volunteered to take up arms as members of Umkhonto we Sizwe, to fight for our liberation, ready to sacrifice their lives. After his capture, he spent 11 years in jail, with 10 of these on Robben Island as a prisoner of the apartheid regime.
After his release, he served as an organiser and later the elected General Secretary of the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM), and one of the most respected leaders of our trade union ally, COSATU.
He was one of the principal builders of our movement after its unbanning in 1990, after 30 years of illegality. Eight years ago, in 1997, he was unanimously elected by the 50th National Conference of our movement as our Secretary General. He enjoyed the same vote of confidence at our 2002 51st National Conference held in Stellenbosch.
But because he dared to differ with an icon, the “elite” has decided that the standing and worth of this outstanding fighter for our liberation and democratic order, as well as other comrades who sacrificed for our freedom, have to be reduced and diminished, so that together they are seen as being nothing more than “yap-dogs who would have to jump up in order to bite (the Archbishop’s) ankles”.
This is the price that critics of the views of an icon have to pay for disagreeing with an eminent personality described as “a moral icon”, “a saint”, “an icon of our struggle”, “one of the world’s most eminent personalities and moral guardians”, a religious leader of a special “pedigree”, a “giant renowned (internationally) for his moral conscience and bravery”, “the conscience of our nation”.
The same newspaper that labelled some of those who sacrificed everything for our liberation as “yap-dogs”, described the Archbishop as, “The man who single-handedly stopped a mob of would-be necklacers in Duduza in the 1980s, and stood his ground against the likes of PW Botha…”
We know what happened “in Duduza in the 1980s”. We know who the people were who are described as “a mob”, and what the apartheid regime did to them. We know that it was the late Oliver Tambo, President of the ANC, who intervened and stopped the “necklacing” originally started by agents of the apartheid regime.
We know what happened to brave combatants for our liberation who, like the Archbishop, “stood (their) ground against the likes of PW Botha”, such as Joe Gqabi, member and leader of the ANC.
Whatever the realities of this history, the central point is that in its struggle to set the national agenda, strategically the “elite” has to elevate those it considers as icons to a status of “the untouchables”, and reduce its opponents to the contemptible level of “yap-dogs”. This is one of the central features of the sociology of the public discourse in our democracy.
We must therefore expect that the phenomenon of the “icon” will continue to be one of the distinguishing features of our public discourse. These icons will be different individuals, who will be used to the extent that they fit into the different elements of the strategy and tactics of the “elite”. We must also expect that new ones will emerge to respond to changing circumstances and objectives.
But what will be common to all of them will be that the “elite” will judge their views and actions as being consistent with its agenda. In return, the “elite” will do everything it can to promote their iconic status as “the untouchables”.
Helen Zille of the DA captured and conveyed this message when she said: “It is a very poor reflection on the post-apartheid government that it is using exactly the same tactics in an attempt to silence (the Archbishop). No government or President should seek to silence, by threats or insults, voices that are internationally recognised as the conscience of our nation.”
The obvious and self-evident truth is that nobody had done anything to silence the Archbishop, who, among other things, denounced ANC elected public representatives as cowardly mercenaries. Rather, our President had welcomed the Archbishop’s call for robust debate with warm and open appreciation, and joined the public debate the Archbishop Emeritus had deliberately started.
In reality, what Zille was saying was that, in keeping with the rules that the “elite” seeks to set for the public discourse in democratic South Africa, such robust debate must exclude the robust challenge of the views of anybody considered by this “elite” as an icon
23 Nov 2011, 16:17 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-628:
Yes you certainly have the title correct here, ” Read Mandela’s Conservations with Myself ” as they were most obviously not CONVERSATIONS.
Thus Mpundu’s categorisation of those not being negotiations stands tall. In fact, I would say that Afrikaaner terms were etched in stone firmly then.
From those TB scare days forward Mandela was often acting delusionally already and made many errors of judgement including the rugby one and its seeming importance to a non-racial society. Every error translated into lost ground for the wretched of the earth of Southern Africa.
23 Nov 2011, 16:17 pm
@ET.(ET.)-657: You meeting up with any of the bloggers?
And no.
Im not offering.
23 Nov 2011, 16:19 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-660: absolute without any doubt whatsoever
charlatan
23 Nov 2011, 16:21 pm
@grant10(grant10)-658: Can you imagine how much straight there’d be between those two. Both are very single minded, it’d be a fiasco.
23 Nov 2011, 16:23 pm
Do you people not work??? Pseudo (as shampooskopwhateverhisname would have it) wannabe intellects
No we lunch with the Arch every ****** second day….
Thank God some plebs have arrived and sanity can prevail
Yissus my brain is scrambled trying to follow that conversation.
23 Nov 2011, 16:24 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-665: I would give it 15 minutes
then first skirmish…..
Zille 6
Mallet 0
23 Nov 2011, 16:24 pm
@grant10(grant10)-659:
Ever since I threw up my hands in disgust when you deliberately confused my “anti-racist” approach with your “anti-white” tag. Not my fault if too many of the racist(as you witness here today) are from the former franchised grouping.
Too much garbage here since the WC and I have been too busy clearing my research desk for an absence where I will be hitting the streets of the Eastern and Western Capes soon.
23 Nov 2011, 16:27 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-661: Spot on! A charlatan.
23 Nov 2011, 16:28 pm
@ET.(ET.)-662: Interesting approach, lol. There are those who’d agree with you.
23 Nov 2011, 16:28 pm
The Eastern amd Western Capes hold their collective breaths….
23 Nov 2011, 16:29 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-663:
My constitution can easily withstand your “cyanide”. Besides good ideas live on even long after the flesh turns to carrion.
A non-racial society is a noble idea. Dispute that if you have guts.
23 Nov 2011, 16:31 pm
@Bod(bod)-666: Someone asked if I actually knew the arch and not just plucking an idea out of the air, so I informed him yes, I do indeed know rather well actually.
23 Nov 2011, 16:31 pm
@ET.(ET.)-672: Thats a “no” then?
23 Nov 2011, 16:32 pm
@Bod(bod)-666: you bloody charlatan
23 Nov 2011, 16:33 pm
@ET.(ET.)-672: i agree with you
23 Nov 2011, 16:33 pm
@ET.(ET.)-662: Mandela rejected the offer by the Nats and laid the groundwork for future talks.
Anything else distorts the historical record.
23 Nov 2011, 16:34 pm
@Bod(bod)-671:
More importantly Ravensmead is waiting to excommunicate a lost soul. So lost that it looks for the “Cape Spanish” in the Plains of Spain where it mostly rains.
23 Nov 2011, 16:35 pm
@ET.(ET.)-668: enjoy your visit…..
23 Nov 2011, 16:36 pm
@grant10(grant10)-664: Careful or Meyer will be the next coach. You’ll have Morne and Derick as flyhalves, Spies at 8, Zane at fullback, Oliver at 12 and be wishing for the days of PdV
23 Nov 2011, 16:36 pm
@ET.(ET.)-672: “A non-racial society is a noble idea. Dispute that if you have guts.”
Could not agree more.
23 Nov 2011, 16:37 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-673:
I am trying to figure this one out.
You support the All Blacks…..
You lunch with the Arch regularly…..
You cant give away your identity on this site….
Nah, cant be. Trevor Manual actually works during the day and is a kak multi-tasker. I dunno Mpunds… you have me confused
23 Nov 2011, 16:37 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-674:
The most important idea in that post resides in the last paragraph but your superficiality does not afford you to perceive that.
‘Jy bly net ‘n nuuskierige apie.’
23 Nov 2011, 16:37 pm
@grant10(grant10)-676: Well.
Really.
Was anyone here ever gonna say: “I strongly disagree, racial segregation is the only way forward. Good fences build good neighbours”, or anything similar?
23 Nov 2011, 16:39 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-680: with pdv we may have ythe same
23 Nov 2011, 16:40 pm
@grant10(grant10)-685: Not even PdV is mad enough to appoint Spies as captain, surely.
23 Nov 2011, 16:40 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-684: i hope not…..
23 Nov 2011, 16:40 pm
@ET.(ET.)-683: Was gonna call you on the ‘agie’ vs ‘apie’ but realised you had ample wiggle room there.
Ill get the next one.
23 Nov 2011, 16:41 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-686: he said he might!
23 Nov 2011, 16:41 pm
@ET.(ET.)-678:
Very impressive indeed
But you have the wrong ‘Mead
So please do heed
23 Nov 2011, 16:41 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-677:
My play is on the wrong word you used in the title of the book.
Mandela has his obvious notions and millions others too have theirs, even about his notions.
From his speech in mitigation of sentence in the 60s the man suffered and changed much.
23 Nov 2011, 16:42 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-688:
Blaas doppies.
23 Nov 2011, 16:43 pm
@grant10(grant10)-675:
What is a effing Charlatan???
My head hurts…
23 Nov 2011, 16:44 pm
@ET.(ET.)-692: I never quite understood that one.
Care to explain its origin?
23 Nov 2011, 16:44 pm
@Bod(bod)-690:
Who cares, as long as it compromises you in some way and shuts you up?
23 Nov 2011, 16:47 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-677: The nats were talking to Mandela and the anc contemporaneously, they were hedging their bets.
23 Nov 2011, 16:47 pm
@Bod(bod)-693: no farken idea
23 Nov 2011, 16:49 pm
@ET.(ET.)-691: Oops. Down with a stomach viral infection and didn’t proof-read.
23 Nov 2011, 16:50 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-696: Convos with the ANC-in-exile came post the first discussions with Mandela. He broke the ice.
23 Nov 2011, 16:50 pm
@ET.(ET.)-695:
Ok… so you didnt get it?
Just when I thought we were buddies you go and stuff it all up.
I am gutted…
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