Lions pivot training with Stormers
22 Nov 2011
Burton Francis ran with the Stormers when the Cape franchise began their pre-season training schedule on Monday.
Francis, who recently parted ways with the Lions, was in Cape Town on Monday running through drills with the Stormers. Officially, the Stormers have contracted only three new players in Joe Pietersen (Bayonne), Deon Carstens (Saracens) and Gerhard van den Heever (Bulls), but Francis could potentially provide further cover for the Stormers in the problematic flyhalf position.
The Boland trio of Bolla Conradie, Elgar Watts and Clemen Lewis also trained with the team on Monday. Having a player of Conradie’s experience in the greater training group will be a boon for the Stormers, and no doubt Watts’s performance in Boland’s title-clinching First Division campaign may have given head coach Allister Coetzee food for thought.
The Stormers recently lost promising flyhalf Lionel Cronje to the Bulls, and aside from Peter Grant, are lacking in experienced No 10s. Kurt Coleman has been exposed to Super Rugby while Demetri Catrakilis and Gary van Aswegen have played Currie Cup rugby, but none of the three, nor Watts for that matter, are established at Super Rugby level.
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22 Nov 2011, 23:32 pm
The big racist vervet mon.key of a fool is back in town.
22 Nov 2011, 23:33 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-294: Which clause would you like changed or inserted?
22 Nov 2011, 23:35 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-296: Which aspect of the bill do tutu and Mandela have issue with?
22 Nov 2011, 23:36 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-300: “…but your suggestion is sheer self adulation, and you must stop it!”
That’s the typical intolerant attitude shown by your ANC comrades…
You seek to stamp out the dissenting voice, to douse the flame of justice.
But our Constitutional Court, Moegoe or no Moegoe, will sort you out.
22 Nov 2011, 23:38 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-299: A vibrant democracy is established by it’s citizenry, how is the south African democracy not vibrant?
22 Nov 2011, 23:40 pm
2-2 – Manure-Benfica
Ain’t it ihoot to discover all the greatest exponents of whats best for Sa all chucking their tuppence worth from some far off haven of democratic perfection sucking off some other foreign state benefit or other
22 Nov 2011, 23:42 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-304: There’s no issue with there being dissension towards the ruling party or any minority party, however, to denigrate the majority when you are part of the clear minority and merely castigate them with easy descriptions of ill-informed, ignorant, no ability to grasp the subject matter is simplifying the situation greatly, and quite mischievious.
22 Nov 2011, 23:43 pm
Pink-arsed and -faced Macaque/Makak just deal with the facts and the ideas.
Your emotionalism shows exposes your immaturity hanging out like your petticoat.
22 Nov 2011, 23:44 pm
shows/exposes
22 Nov 2011, 23:53 pm
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-303: bud, you are a bit of aprick, Why would every other politician and political party be against this bill, all these political analysts and experts, and the next time i have tea or a gin and tonic with either Tutu or Nelson i will ask which specific aspect of the bill they have a problem with
Try thinking for your self, you dont have to tow the party line, as for me stopping it !! WTF get real bud.
So lets see you are an All Black supporting banker anc politician stooge, tsk tsk tsk.
I think thats called a know it all.
22 Nov 2011, 23:59 pm
Schmuckaluck talking kuk from out the pinkarse backsides he hides and coolycreeps up inside all his coconut life
23 Nov 2011, 00:01 am
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-310: Instead of telling me what I am rather disprove what I’ve said. You were clearly racist in your retort and then you invoked tutu and Mandela but you don’t know why, then because of that I’m supposed to agree with your vacuous statement.
Tree hugger, the bill is good, if you’ve an enormous issue with it, exercise your constitutional right and tell us what it is! Provide detail to your problem with the bill and then when you wear black tshirt you’ll at least be comforted with the idea that you know why.
23 Nov 2011, 00:03 am
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-310: You also seem to imagine that for a bill to be good every political party must be in agreement, you need to go out more.
23 Nov 2011, 00:11 am
so Mpundlu you defending this bill you better point out whats so good about it when every single daily news publication has come out in utter dismay and shock at its passing referring to this day as Blak Tuesday in our fledgling democracy’s history
23 Nov 2011, 00:15 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-314: I have pointed to it’s benefits after reading the bill, what do you believe to be bad about it?
23 Nov 2011, 00:24 am
I don’t know much about its content nor its implications, why would every free speech proponent declare it am utter shame and direct opposition to freedom of speech and smack to the face of the democratic principles the Anc was founded on?
23 Nov 2011, 00:25 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-312: RACIST RACIST….LOLOLOLOL….now that was stupid playing the race card
The bill is good because one party says it is lolol so all the others know stuff all then.
Lets see do i believe political analysts and politicians who’s opinions is respect, or that of this single party that are bulldozing it through.
Well enough from this vacuous divine gorgeous blond bimbo. Sleep tight and hope one day the brain washing wears off.
23 Nov 2011, 00:27 am
mpundulu uxakile!!!!!!!!!
I’m laughing @ the FB staus of a journalist friend of mine, she says with her used to toyi-toying in the ’80s today while she marched on Plein Str she kept looking around for tear gas & caspirs to no avail & she’s decided that picketting in a democracy is boring…lol…and the people who kept asking her to translate the meanings of the songs made it even worse
mpundulu, stop using logical arguments here when people are comfortable labelling & insulting you! Can’t you see people are affronted by this Bill?
Having not read the Bill & just gleaning of your earlier analysis, this Bill is going to pose some serious tests for our judiciary in terms of independence when as yyou said people have to lodge applications to de-classify documents.
23 Nov 2011, 00:28 am
Wham! Out comes the usual race card!
What other cards lie hidden up that gravy-stained sleeve?
23 Nov 2011, 00:28 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-316: It’s important that you read the bill for yourself and form your own opinions, never allow other people do that for you.
23 Nov 2011, 00:30 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-315: Is there nothing bad about this bill?
Why the need for the bill? Was there no provision before this bill to keep sensitive security information out of the public domain?
You say you have looked at the “processes of recourse”. What are they?
What checks and balances are in place?
23 Nov 2011, 00:31 am
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-317: Maybe, just a novel idea, read the bill then we talk.
23 Nov 2011, 00:34 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-321: Okay, read your 275. Interesting. Seems reasonable.
Why the big song and dance then?
23 Nov 2011, 00:34 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-321: the government is meant to hold itself to account…
Haha.
23 Nov 2011, 00:34 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-318: It’s critically important to the development of our democracy that the courts are tested perennially, this is what democracy is about, expressing your choice or view and allowing the courts to decide on the balance of convenience.
23 Nov 2011, 00:40 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-324: I am not sure this bill is as bad as the hoo ha makes it out to be. I have tried to read many an article online and no journo has given an explicit explanation of why it is so bad other than resorting to panic button jingo journalism.
I for one am very suspect of Journos when they get into a feral piranha like feeding frenzy. There is more than one side to this story…
23 Nov 2011, 00:41 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-323:
Because it is the All Blacks who have Bill, simply.
23 Nov 2011, 00:41 am
Headings on News24:
“Mandela’s Office Slams Info Bill”
“It’s not over, Zille warns Info Bill”
“Info Bill has Constitutional Implications”
“We will Fight Info Bill: Mazibuko”
“Info Bill Approval Condemned”
One must question the motives of those who blindly follow the mothership on this proposed Act…
23 Nov 2011, 00:42 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-321: Laws in any democratic country are progressive, they keep evolving with the development of its society, they are tabled in a legislative governmental body and are discussed, caucused, and either enacted or not, this bill has gone through the first government body, and it’s due to be debated by the ncop, thereafter, it can be taken to the presidency for ratification and perhaps opposed in the constitutional court. This is SA’s democratic system, if there’s such material opposition to the bill by society effect the use of the courts to oppose the bill.
The checks and balances of this bill is one’s recourse to the courts, if someone feels aggrieved they have the rule of law as evident recourse like in any democratic country.
23 Nov 2011, 00:43 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-326: Having said that I am amazed that the SA Govt had inadequate provision for keeping sensitive state secret information out of the public domain before this bill. Why now?
23 Nov 2011, 00:43 am
How else does one explain the opponents of Bill wore All Black today?
23 Nov 2011, 00:45 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-323: Unfortunately most south africans who are protesting the bill believe it to be of the script as the initial bill that government tried to table in parliament. It’s important to read the actual bill and then formulate an opinion.
23 Nov 2011, 00:45 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-329: Thats a High School Democracy and Constitutional Rights lesson… That is not what I was asking. I understand all that.
I was asking for specifics related to the bill….
Or is this going to be as hard as trying to define “Transformation”….?
23 Nov 2011, 00:47 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-324: You’ve not provided any detail just imagined jocular utterances, this is the real issue with discourse in this country, little definitive understanding.
23 Nov 2011, 00:47 am
Big Bold headings across the front pages of nearly every independent news publication calling the day of implementation of this bill as Black Tuesday, and the defenders of those in power calling this -good- something don’t add up in the state of Denmark, its either good or its bad so either your blind loyalty is shrouding your ability to think straight or else somebody is lying profusely. Wonder who that could be-
23 Nov 2011, 00:49 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-333: Have you read the bill?
23 Nov 2011, 00:49 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-332: Yes, that is true. But the Govt represents the people, yes? It would be helpful if the representatives of the people explain this bill and its necessity or else most people will either be ignorant or will have to glean information or misinformation from the Newspapers who seem to be screaming blue murder from the rooftops.
23 Nov 2011, 00:53 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-335: Why don’t you read the bill and determine who?
23 Nov 2011, 00:54 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-336: No I haven’t. I will just ask SA Parliament to send me one by post or email tomorrow. In the meantime I have tried to glean as much information as I can from various online media sources – but nothing concrete and explicit other than panic button journo emotionalism. Thus my questions to you since you state you have (read it) and you seem to have a decent knowledge and understanding of said Bill.
23 Nov 2011, 00:55 am
don’t worry about trying to define me HG, i’m omnipresent
23 Nov 2011, 00:56 am
” Mbalula: Too early to scrap quotas
November 22 2011 at 07:46pm
It was too early to scrap quotas in South African sport, Sports Minister Fikile Mbalula said on Tuesday.
On the final day of the National Sport and Recreation Indaba in Midrand, during discussions on transformation in the plenary, it was decided that the quota system could not be scrapped while the transformation charter and the transformation scorecard would be adopted into the Nation Sports Plan.
During the final session of the transformation commission, where the resolutions were to be passed, there was widespread division on whether the system should be scrapped or reinstated.
“The indaba acknowledged the challenges and limitations with regard to the implementation of the quota system in its current form and the negative effects of this system in deepening racial polarisation,” Mbalula said.
“To this end, the indaba observed the unfortunate and painful stigma imposed on young black athletes and players as a result of the application of this archaic system.”
With the rigorous debate surrounding this contentious issue, it was decided that the quota system would not be scrapped, and the merit system would also not be undermined.
“However, a strong case has been made for the uninterrupted continuation of the quota system through the direct selection of black players into national codes, using the adopted scorecards contained in the transformation charter,” Mbalula said.
“You will still have that particular programme (quota system), but at the same time that programme will be enhanced by a visible and clear transformation charter.
“Federations and everybody else will be held accountable in terms of what we seek to achieve as a nation about integration, equity and accessibility in terms of different sporting codes.”
Rugby in particular came under fire, with SA Rugby Union (Saru) president Oregan Hoskins defending his federation.
Hoskins admitted the sport had not progressed as much as it could have in terms of transformation, but he invited more black people to get involved in rugby.
“It will not help to talk only in this forum. I also experienced the worst form of apartheid and the fact of the matter is that I am democratically elected (as Saru president),” Hoskins said.
“So I urge my comrades with the expertise to make yourselves available to the rugby unions and Saru to have a say.
“To effect change in rugby we have to start in the boardroom because, as you know, most of my brothers in rugby are white.”
Hoskins said he would seek clarity from Mbalula and the Sports Ministry as to what had been decided regarding quotas.
“We have heard the decision and that is contrary to what the Minister had said earlier – that quotas had been done away with,” Hoskins said.
“The indaba has decided that quotas should not be done away with, so we will meet as SA rugby to discuss the effect of what has happened here.” – Sapa
Please note, the man of BURST CONDOM fame has spoken with infinite wisdom!
23 Nov 2011, 00:58 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-337: Agreed, the government must communicate their intended policy positions through the media outlets. They’ve gone on to radio and tv to sensitize the people to the issues of the bill and provided detail to the bill itself. Furthermore, there is the written bill that can be read by anyone in the country or read to if necessary. The state is merely providing for a clear legal channel to control state sensitive information.
23 Nov 2011, 00:58 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-340: Yes. Beyond definition. Idol like in conception. Unquestionable. An ever present catch all.
23 Nov 2011, 00:59 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-340:
Were you at Solly T’s funeral in eBhayi on Friday past?
23 Nov 2011, 01:01 am
Our faithful Sports Minister, one time ANCYL president, had this to say about quotas just last week. What a farken hypocrite:
Mbalula: Quotas are exhausted
2011-11-16 22:03Email | Print
Cape Town – Sport quotas are exhausted and have generally been counter-productive, Sport and Recreation Minister Fikile Mbalula said on Wednesday.
Quotas were introduced to achieve the goal of integration but this had yet to be realised, he told a media briefing at Parliament on the ministry’s “transformation perspective document”.
It was necessary for the country to be strong in terms of sport development, and for this a national development plan was required.
“There is slowness [in transformation] because there is no agenda,” he said.
“People complain. They moan about a whole lot of things, about transformation… but everyone needs to be speaking about transformation knowing what is the plan.”
Mbalula said there was an over concentration on three major sporting codes – cricket, soccer and rugby.
What happened in netball, basketball, amateur boxing, or even boxing itself, among others, appeared to be “none of our business”.
“You will be interested to see that in most of the sporting codes in our country, if you do an examination, we’ve achieved maximum transformation there, and through the quota system, among others,” he said.
“And I think transformation must not only be measured in terms of the top three commercial [sport codes]. It must be measured across in terms of sport.”
Sport was about talent, and not a question of electing people to achieve representivity.
The key question was whether there were developmental programmes to nurture players. If blacks did not play rugby, were there programmes for those that did play to be nurtured, guided, and off-loaded into the system so as to ensure representivity?
“So how are we going to achieve that? We are saying this transformation must be narrowed down to a score card… [for] the different federations,” Mbalula said.
“Secondly, there must be a binding transformation charter.”
Without a strong developmental approach, there would not be black players making the national team in the future.
“Because when we go to a World Cup, we’re not going to select a person simply because of colour,” Mabalula said.
“We want the best in the World Cup… nobody wants to be a failure because of ‘I’m here just to add up numbers of black people’. We are there because we want to compete.
“At the end of the day, I don’t want to be a quota player. I want to be there on merit and I want my talent to be recognised.”
There were many black players who wanted to play rugby. The question was why were they not finding their way through in the different competitions.
This was one of the issues the national sport indaba would look into in Midrand next week, Mbalula said.
23 Nov 2011, 01:03 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-339: Fair enough, however, there’s a curious problem with south Africans they refuse to read, this is across the co our line, and then they riposte from a point of total ignorance, and this tradition has to stop and people in south Africa have to start reading and thinking for themselves instead of being force-fed like they are in tutorials.
23 Nov 2011, 01:03 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-342: Was there no “legal channel to control state sensitive information” before this bill or was it just clarity that was needed? If the latter then surely that would just require a few amendments to a current bill? Bearing in mind I am no legalese expert by any means.
Would this bill be available online to peruse?
23 Nov 2011, 01:03 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-340:
But you have been fired by me as the self-appointed personal secretary as you have simply and regularly posting false information about my whereabouts.
So I do not know so much about your being omnipresent.
23 Nov 2011, 01:07 am
Is it so difficult to grasp tht any and all Bills can and will be used and definitely abused as a situation demands?
How many NAT Bills did all the concerned of today query and protest in All Black?
23 Nov 2011, 01:09 am
@mpundulu(mpundulu)-346: are you suggesting all those in Parliament who oppose the introduction of the bill into statute have failed to (1) read the bill (in its various amended forms), (2) seek the benefit of legal counsel on its constitutionality, and (3) to comprehend it?
Your blind faith to the orders of the mothership is incredible, Comrade!
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