Henry: England role not a reality
22 Nov 2011
New Zealand’s World Cup-winning coach Graham Henry has ruled himself out of the running for the vacant England job.
Henry, who was tipped at 3/1 favourite to take over from Martin Johnson, said: ‘It’s not a reality. I live in New Zealand but I would like to try to get an association with a [European] club and make a difference.’
Henry, who resigned from the All Blacks’ job last month, said he would make a decision on his future in the next six months but is expected to stay in New Zealand in some sort of advisory capacity.
Northampton director of rugby Jim Mallinder is now being tipped by insiders as the clear favourite for the job after coaching England’s second-string Saxons between 2006 and 2007 and winning 15 of his 16 matches.
45 Comments
22 Nov 2011, 10:35 am
This Dragon won’t make that mistake. Imo.
22 Nov 2011, 10:57 am
This improves PdV’s chances considerably. Imo.
Pity, he should be given an extended run with the Boks. Imo.
22 Nov 2011, 11:08 am
Its cause Smit is in the country?
22 Nov 2011, 12:33 pm
what has this jim mallinder character won in his life, aviva premiership?
22 Nov 2011, 14:52 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-4: He’s relatively young for a coach, but has won bugger all! He’s teams do play a nice attacking brand of rugby and he came within a whisker of winning both the Premiership and Heineken Cup last season. England should really aim higher then him though….
22 Nov 2011, 18:00 pm
What a surpise! The ABs being arrogant and unsporting? No!
Glossing over their own dirty play you say…? Can’t be!
Lievremont breaks silence (from Sport 24)
was less kind about the All Blacks’ attitude since the game and also questioned whether match referee Craig Joubert had coped with the pressure in the closing stages as New Zealand ground out an 8-7 victory.
“They didn’t have a word to say about the France team, and at the gala night at the end of the tournament, it was all about the All Blacks,” Lievremont said.
“They were faced with a very trying context because they absolutely had to win. I always thought they were there for the taking. I was more afraid of South Africa.”
The match was packed with incident, with France centre Aurelien Rougerie escaping being cited for alleged eye gouging against All Black captain Richie McCaw despite evidence showing the he had a case to answer.
France lost flyhalf Morgan Parra to an early injury when McCaw’s knee caught the side of his head after Parra was trapped underneath the ruck.
“We didn’t appreciate the behaviour of their coach Graham Henry, of the captain Richie McCaw. They’re still talking about Aurelien Rougerie’s eye gouging on the basis of rather tendentious editing,” Lievremont said.
“But when you see how McCaw behaved, notably with Morgan Parra … I think they could have shown a bit more humility.”
22 Nov 2011, 21:07 pm
@bokfan1(bokfan1)-6: hmm sour grapes?
“…on the basis of rather tendentious editing” wtf? what editing? and yes its tendentious , it was eye gouging, one of the worst offenses u can do in rugby. thats was why the french werent acknowledged at any of the post game speeches.
but who cares? its Inconsequential in the scheme of things and we’re over it. web ellis looks good.
4 more years
22 Nov 2011, 21:44 pm
Henry@bokfan1(bokfan1)-6:
LIevermont isnt fit to wash Henry”s, ****** Y fronts, but am I being tendentious, probably?
23 Nov 2011, 00:43 am
@man1a(man1a)-7: @Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-8:
How to be gracious in victory? Not
Holier than thou, butter would not melt in my mouth BS
Surely after a very close 1 point victory you would give credit to the opponents? Or was it because of the long 24 years gap that you blokes have forgotten how to be gracious in a WC victory
You certainly have not made any new freinds boys…..
As for Henry’s Y-fronts, you seem to know a bit about them dude, a bit of a worry I’d say
23 Nov 2011, 01:10 am
@whatever(whatever)-9:
so speaks the vanquished
does it matter how humble or gracious they were? is history going to say in 10 years time how magnanimous the AB’s were? who cares?
all history cares about is winners and losers.
i dont understand why anyone would think the AB’s care of how they’re percieved (other than adidas). sore winners? so what? its all about what happens on the field.
boks PR isnt the squeekiest or cleanest yet they would be the most feared team in world rugby. do they care that worldRugby considers them the biggest thugs? doubt it. they get the respect they deserve because they’re uncompromising. not because they’re goody too shoes.
the AB’s could take a leaf out of the boks books and be the bad guys. i’d like the AB’s to be more like the boks, or more accurately have more players like bakkies in our team. hard hitting, take no prisoner, win at all costs attitude and d4m the public opinion.
so talk it up all u want about how mean and nasty the AB’s are. all that matters is what happens on the field. the WC finished months ago, time to move on to the next season.
23 Nov 2011, 01:14 am
@whatever(whatever)-9:
Why would I want to make friends with a snivelling little creep like you. It doesn’t matter what I write people like you will always twist it to suit their own agendas.
23 Nov 2011, 01:14 am
You don’t care what people think of the AB’s so long as they win?
you sad f uk
23 Nov 2011, 01:15 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-11:
go *** yourself areswipe
23 Nov 2011, 01:17 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-11:
Better still go hit a baby in the stomach or something…………..you blokes seem to be good at that!
23 Nov 2011, 01:28 am
@whatever(whatever)-14:
I thought you would show your true colours., slimey racist fu ckwit
23 Nov 2011, 01:30 am
@whatever(whatever)-12:
“You don’t care what people think of the AB’s so long as they win?” do u care what people think of the boks when they win? more importantly do the boks care?
whats your measure of success here? winning or being nice?
boks are the antithesis of nice yet they win most of their games (65% win ratio i think) and are barraged by media around the world about thuggery.
who cares?
23 Nov 2011, 01:31 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-15:
Typical, race card pulled when got nothing better to say. Truth hurts hey a-hole?
23 Nov 2011, 01:31 am
all that matters is what happens on the field. everything else is foreplay
23 Nov 2011, 01:33 am
@man1a(man1a)-16:
Dude we are talking about the AB’s and the Frogs, where in my post did I bring in the Boks?
23 Nov 2011, 01:33 am
@whatever(whatever)-17:
Typical reply from a creepy racist little man
23 Nov 2011, 01:34 am
and you seem to be quite keen on labeling the Boks as thugs, Richard Loe invented eye gouging dude, so get over yourself!
23 Nov 2011, 01:35 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-20:
Go play with yourself somewhere dark so we can’t see
23 Nov 2011, 01:38 am
@whatever(whatever)-19: yeah but I’m trying to put u in the place of where i’m coming from. perspective
if the shoe was on the other foot, boks had won and then all this press was coming out would u care?
can you think back to 2007 about all the bad press(ok NZ media might’ve been the worst culprit back then) whining about how the boks won? i imagine not and all anyone cares about it is that boks won that WC
23 Nov 2011, 01:44 am
@man1a(man1a)-23:
To be honest, I do care
I do care when a Bok goes mental and does something silly, like Corne Krige v England. It’s annoying. It also bugs me that we still get labeled as boring like the Bulls were a few seasons ago when they won the S14 and scored the most tries. Go figure?
And yes, the NZ media were the biggest whingers in 2007, I ‘ll grant you that
I think if you stop caring what other countries think about your team then you have forgotten why we (I presume you play/played) played the game in the first place
23 Nov 2011, 01:44 am
@whatever(whatever)-21: your taking my words out of context. i said “do they care that worldRugby considers them the biggest thugs?”
do i consider boks thugs? not all of them just bakkies (i’ll forgive schalk for his eye gouge becasue he’s my favourtie non AB). do i think think its a bad thing? hell no. sure its illegal in rugby but i reckon the AB’s needs more of it
23 Nov 2011, 01:49 am
Which is……………if you need reminding…………. to beat the daylights out of the opponents on the park, but then have a beer and a yarn after the game with said opponents, ……………until the next time. But then I’m old school!
23 Nov 2011, 01:56 am
@man1a(man1a)-25:
Do the world media think they are thugs? Depends on who the world media are. Certainly the NZ media considered the French to be thugs recently.
The media are probably half the problem. If you take this last WC, the NZ media wrote like they hated everyone. Everyone was useless, dirty and played boring rugger. Only the AB’s were clean, played rugby that everyone wanted to see blah blah blah. It was pathetic.
The best was one scribe making up a team of the dirtiest players in the WC. He included a few English players in the team even though they had done nothing untoward, yet left out SBW who had just two days before received a yellow. Talk about one eyed!!
23 Nov 2011, 01:57 am
@whatever(whatever)-24:
fair enough. but whats more important? winning or the way the world percieves u? remember that history doesnt care about nobility it only cares who won.
thanx for the introspection. yes i probably have forgotten why i played rugby. believe it or not i was a very clean player and hated thuggery. i was the ani-bully who would protect the little guys in my team who were gettingpicked on. now when i see it i think back “i should’ve been more of an @hole”. i cant bring myself to be a dirty player (i still play gridIron) but i can appreciate it when i see it and it astounds me how often the perpetrators get away with it.
i was real disapointed that corneKrige didnt make the WC team. he’s someone that u wouldnt want to fk with and with bakkies out corne could’ve been the enforcer they needed. roussow was awesome thoguh and deserved to be there but krige would’ve been an awesome addition.
23 Nov 2011, 02:06 am
@whatever(whatever)-27: dont get me started on NZ media. what your talking about can solely be placed at the feet of the NZHerald. NZHerald were embarrassing and showed no respect for the french. all those that know rugby in NZ were criinging every time the NZ press said AB’s were going to blow the french out of the water. NZHerald alone almost cost the AB’s by giving the french all the ammo they needed to fire up (and they did) for the finals. IDIOTS!!
its a shame that half the arguments here are because of what the media says. love to read that article bout the dirtiest players, yes they’re one eyed. they are the kind of people who have never played top level sport yet think they’re experts and then win AB’s win make it sound like they were on the field playing.
and yes to your comment “Which is……………if you need reminding…………. to beat the daylights out of the opponents on the park, but then have a beer and a yarn after the game with said opponents, ……………until the next time. But then I’m old school!”
what happens on the field stays on the field. i smash my familyand friends all the time on the field and then afterwards we’re hard out having a laugh about who cried the most.
23 Nov 2011, 04:29 am
@bokfan1(bokfan1)-6:
” I always thought they were there for the taking. I was more afraid of South Africa.””
What he is really saying here, that they have a better chance of beating SA than NZ.
Who in there right mind would prefer to play NZ at home just after being smacked in the same tournament by NZ??
This guy is clueless.
@whatever(whatever)-9:
So after one clip out of a news paper you think no one gave the french their credit?
Laughable, how many times do you give the losing team credit on a good game played?
According to you everytime the RWC final is mentioned we suppose to say ” yeah we won but credit to the French for losing by one point ”
@whatever(whatever)-14:
You blokes??
All i get from you is stop generalising blah blah blah, then look what happens here, practice what you preach dude.
23 Nov 2011, 04:49 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-30:
You love comming in at the a rse end of a conversation with your 2c worth dont you?
Try looking at the discussion in context. You just like your mainstream keewee media, faaaking one eyed (Both your replies)
23 Nov 2011, 04:53 am
oh yes………. faaking smiley
23 Nov 2011, 05:32 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-30: The Kiwi presenter gave Thierry Dursutoir a lot of respect by calling him Thierry Henry when he interviewed the man of the match straight after the final and then tried to joke about it pretending he was almost as good as Henry. What a complete ignorant twat and he was presenting to the whole world, how could the New Zealand World Cup organisers let someone who couldn’t be bothered to learn the French Captain’s name be the MC at the end of the match?!?!?!
Probably because New Zealanders don’t pay any attention or give any credit to anyone other then themselves.
23 Nov 2011, 09:47 am
Well things are getting sad around here when folk have to manufacture insults to garner some traction in the posting dept.
23 Nov 2011, 09:51 am
Grumpy Henry says he doesn’t want to coach anymore but won’t sneeze if they want to make him a bigwig in rugby circles…looks like he’s aiming for a job like Paddy O’Bryce.
23 Nov 2011, 10:03 am
Henry would have been a mug to have accepted any offer to be head coach anywhere after what he has achieved with the AB’s.
Why deal with the grief.
During his tenure as AB coach his one big millstone was winning the RWC trophy, the rest was a walk in the park it seems. Just compare the winning coaches records during the professional era.
1999 Rod McQueen – 79%
2003 Clive woodward – 71%
2007 Jake White – 66%
Notice the trend? Henry shines as the coach who didn’t let his standards slip despite the enormous pressure on him to win Bill.
23 Nov 2011, 10:09 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-35:
He is a big wig in rugby circles, with or without the sneezing.
Are you suggesting he still needs to prove himself?
23 Nov 2011, 10:23 am
@Brads(Brads)-36:
Jae Whites’s first four years as the Bok coach and taking over a skuppered ship wasn’t bad at all.
Imagine how his next four years would have turned out. Now he’s putting the Brumbies through a series of skills training (Eye Gym). The man moves with the times….as all great coaches should.
23 Nov 2011, 10:29 am
@Brads(Brads)-37:
He’s a bigwig in New Zealand and could be made Prime Minister if he tries hard enough.
23 Nov 2011, 10:45 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-39:
No, be fair, he is and has consistently been a person to be reckoned with throughout the professional era of Rugby.
23 Nov 2011, 10:49 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-38:
Jake White endured years of abuse by fans appalled at his lack of success.
Had it not been for the winning of RWC07, he would have gone down as one of the most detested coaches in SA rugby history.
Amazing how a couple of weeks of good rugby can erase from the mind all the horror that preceded it.
23 Nov 2011, 10:54 am
@Brads(Brads)-40:
Absolutely. Unlike my countrymen with hidden agendas, the Boks had a potential Grumpy Henry in the making but in true African style our political agents wanted him to fail and he knew it.
Jake White’s departure was the defining moment that saw South African rugby take several more steps backward after the Strooli era. The Boks got some respect in 2007 and then SARU shot themselves in the foot by not convincing White to stay and finish the job. If a coach wins you a RWC the logical thing to do is kiss his arse even if you don’t like him.
Now we have two South African coaches in Oz instead of coaching in South Africa.
23 Nov 2011, 10:58 am
@Brads(Brads)-41:
As already pointed out, he took over Bok rugby that was in pieces after the Strooli fiasco. Rebuilding is no easy issue in South Africa. There are many factors that need to be added to the final analysis…unlike anywhere else in the rugby world.
23 Nov 2011, 15:33 pm
@whatever(whatever)-31:
lol
Hey settle.
Remember your very quick on the generalising statements, do you think you did a bit then?
Its ok to say sorry, we all friends here
23 Nov 2011, 15:37 pm
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-33:
Hey look out, you seem to have made a statment that all kiwis only credit themselves.
Gee thats like me saying all South Africans and racist…… are you a racist?
Cos i give plenty of credit to others when credits due.
Like 2007, gave my full support to the Bok team for the 2007 final and then congratulated you guys afteward. You wernt there so i will forgive you and your dumb statments.
Full credit to you for trying though, see more credits.
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