Keo.co.za cleans up at awards
30 Nov 2011
Keo.co.za was named the Sports Blog of the Year and won the overall prize for new media at the 2011 SAB Sports Media Awards at Melrose Arch on Tuesday night.
Mark Keohane, the founder of keo.co.za, also won the Sports Columnist of the Year award for his contributions to Business Day Sport Monthly. He was the second runner-up in the overall print category with Business Day Sport Monthly‘s Gary Lemke the first runner-up.
675 Comments
30 Nov 2011, 07:14 am
Congratulations Mark. What a Dragon!
30 Nov 2011, 07:21 am
Congrats to all at Keo !!!
30 Nov 2011, 07:27 am
Well done to us bloggers…
30 Nov 2011, 07:35 am
Well done, pilgrims!
30 Nov 2011, 07:37 am
Congrats….
30 Nov 2011, 07:41 am
brilliant….
Keohane…..just go back to writing from the heart at all times…..dont sell your soul to the Fat Boys Club….fark the inner sanctum…..
You were at your brilliant best 10 tears ago….
Find that passion and integrity again….
Congrats Keolings…….
yes…even you Queen Gunther…
30 Nov 2011, 07:42 am
Looks like Mark has put on a fair bit of weight since he started the site.
30 Nov 2011, 07:46 am
Congratulations Keo…
and Jon, Simon and Ryan too…
Well done…!!
30 Nov 2011, 07:48 am
Think you guys definitely owe your members/posters a party… with drinks on you!!
30 Nov 2011, 07:59 am
Now go take a few hangover pills, down a few red bulls and supply us with some new articles !!!
You only as good as your last column !!
30 Nov 2011, 08:01 am
Congrats, all of you.
For all the flack you get from us we keep coming back, says it all really.
30 Nov 2011, 08:12 am
You boys and girls are the heartbeat of this site. Thanks for all the support. Keeping reading, watching, abusing, applauding and questioning.
30 Nov 2011, 08:14 am
Cheers to Mark and Co.
Thanks for the daily fix- keep it coming!
Well done!
30 Nov 2011, 08:16 am
Keo rocks……love it…
See Bulls said no to Derek Hougaard.
FFS do NOT get ideas Rassie or AC….
30 Nov 2011, 08:18 am
Keohane well done shorty!
But I must admit, I miss those hard hitting no hold punch articles of yours … get back to exposing the dirt man.
Oh and next year please get rid of JC, those millions of Stormers/WP articles are really boring and just plain tired …. Gareth D does a much better job.
30 Nov 2011, 08:21 am
@Upho(ufo)-8:
sheesh…
and Gareth…!!
30 Nov 2011, 08:22 am
Well Done Keo. Well Done Gareth D.
30 Nov 2011, 08:23 am
@Upho(ufo)-16: lol ja how can you forgot about my homeboy like that!
30 Nov 2011, 08:25 am
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-18:
how indeed…?
early morning and lots to do… focus elsewhere…!!
30 Nov 2011, 08:26 am
NICE WORK KEO & TEAM.
30 Nov 2011, 08:28 am
@grant10(grant10)-14: The way AC and Rassie are going about it wont surprise me if they sign Derick Hougaard.
30 Nov 2011, 08:32 am
How much 10′s does Stormers/WP have floating around?
30 Nov 2011, 08:37 am
It’s not that Hougaard has been rejected, it’s more a case of, “prove yourself fit and healthy” and we’ll welcome you. They are not just going to put him in on the basis of past history.
He’ll slot in there in due course, you can be sure of that.
30 Nov 2011, 08:42 am
This is classic!
http://www.rugby365.com/news/2824764.htm
Harinordoquy’s father rushes onto field to defend his son in punch-up during Biarritz-Bayonne match.
30 Nov 2011, 08:44 am
F0kkit Mark. If you’re going to wear such an ugly tie, at least wear it properly.
@grant10. For you to decide who and who isn’t part of the ‘fat boy club’ is what makes your rants pathetic. If you don’t agree, you’re all out in telling that person what a d00s he is, and then want to be the voice of reason. Get a life jerk.
30 Nov 2011, 08:46 am
@David(David)-7: yep, before the RWC he was bragging that he is close to reaching perfect BMI but looking at this photo i can tell you that month or so in New Zealand messed up alles
porky mark and the funky bunch.
30 Nov 2011, 08:51 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-25: And a top of the morning to you too miss Sunshine
30 Nov 2011, 08:52 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-26: Leave Mark alone.
He’s not overweight.
He’s just under-height.
He is the perfect weight for someone a foot or so taller!
30 Nov 2011, 08:53 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-28: fark that is funny
30 Nov 2011, 08:56 am
What did rugby talk win?
30 Nov 2011, 08:58 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-26: he has the body of a god…buddha springs to mind
30 Nov 2011, 08:59 am
Best mormon blog?
30 Nov 2011, 09:03 am
@Gunther(gunther)-30: Kortbroek lager award
30 Nov 2011, 09:04 am
Congrats , well Done !!
30 Nov 2011, 09:14 am
@Gunther(gunther)-30: hahahahahaha
you’re a jerk my friend!
30 Nov 2011, 09:20 am
i see keo’s wife grabbed the cheque..!!
30 Nov 2011, 09:26 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-11: Flack? What flack?
30 Nov 2011, 09:26 am
Keo’s looking a bit shifty there… Maybe he’s spotted a Mike Tindall lookalike in the crowd.
30 Nov 2011, 09:31 am
so any more Bok coach rumours doing the rounds?
30 Nov 2011, 09:35 am
Well done guys, and a special mention to my mate Followthebounce who also got an award last night! Funny guy, great blog.
30 Nov 2011, 09:44 am
Strange ………everybody to their own I suppose !!!
Sydney – The politicians are about to debate same-*** marriage, but star Wallaby flank David Pocock has already made up his mind.
According to the Sydney Morning Herald website, Pocock, who captained the Wallabies for the first time in last Saturday’s Test against the Barbarians at Twickenham in London, supports the right of all people to marry so strongly that he and partner Emma Palandri have refused to seal their relationship legally until their *** friends can do the same.
”More than 60 percent of Australians are in favour of same-*** marriage, so it just doesn’t make sense to stop it from happening,” Pocock said. ”For a lot of Christians, it’s a big issue and I know there’s a lot of people who don’t share the same opinion as me. It comes down to equal love. I don’t think it’s the government’s role to tell people that their love is right or wrong.”
The couple had a wedding ceremony late last year and describe themselves as married. But in solidarity with those excluded from marriage, they opted not to sign the documents confirming their union. Their stance echoes that of high-profile US actors Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt, who said they would not marry until all US citizens were granted the same right.
Last week, Pocock was named Western Australia’s Young Australian of the Year for his humanitarian and philanthropic work, particularly in helping his former countrymen in Zimbabwe. Pocock’s family fled Zimbabwe a decade ago when their farm was confiscated during Robert Mugabe’s violent land redistribution programme.
30 Nov 2011, 09:51 am
Small change?
30 Nov 2011, 09:52 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-35:
zen and the art of trek wagon maintenence.
runner up best interweb poitje recipe.
30 Nov 2011, 09:53 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-41: Weird.
30 Nov 2011, 09:57 am
GOOOOOOOI MIELIES!!!
30 Nov 2011, 09:59 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-41: no wonder pocock fled zim, mugabe don’t play nice with g_ays, at all.
30 Nov 2011, 10:00 am
Did skopskiet win the Bloggers’ Choice Mobile Blogging Excellence Award (sponsored by Nokia)?
30 Nov 2011, 10:01 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-41: great on Poco ck…..good man…..
30 Nov 2011, 10:01 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-45: lol what does that mean exactly?
30 Nov 2011, 10:05 am
Excellent, congratulations from England.
What fun and games we have here, we even keep abreast of the rugby news too!!
30 Nov 2011, 10:08 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-47:
rumour had it he was in with a shout in the bricklayer poet category.
30 Nov 2011, 10:08 am
@carol(carol)-50: how you been? You scarce young lady
30 Nov 2011, 10:08 am
@grant10(grant10)-6:
@justrugby(justrugby)-41:
@Robzim(Robzim)-13:
Hey guys, an award for the blog that ‘introduced’ us all….. Not bad eigh?
See you all for another beer in Cape Town March 2012 !!
30 Nov 2011, 10:09 am
@carol(carol)-50: “keep breasts”? now i want to meet you
30 Nov 2011, 10:09 am
Well done Keo, from the guys in NZ, well one guy anyway.
Good site for letting a bit of steam off and seeing the views from the other side of the fence.
30 Nov 2011, 10:10 am
hate the bloody off season…..hate it !
30 Nov 2011, 10:10 am
@grant10(grant10)-52:
Hiya Grant, too scarce I know. A bit hectic at the moment AND I am now a bit late for work!!
Catch you soon
30 Nov 2011, 10:11 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-54:
(Farkin smileys) !!
Behave !
30 Nov 2011, 10:11 am
@carol(carol)-53: awesone news
look forward to it….
Dawn…..a Firemans will be in order !
30 Nov 2011, 10:11 am
@carol(carol)-57: cheers
30 Nov 2011, 10:17 am
Jirre that fecking tie.
30 Nov 2011, 10:21 am
Goed gedoen Keo.
30 Nov 2011, 10:22 am
Kapitalist peeg Keohane picking up all the awards and not acknowledging his lumpen proletartiat who eat stale bread while he scoffs cake.
30 Nov 2011, 10:22 am
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Therefore I will start work with your company on Monday 5th December
2011 AT 08:00. I look forward to seeing you then. Don’t call me I’ll
call you. “Le tlwaela batho masepa, julle moerskont “. I will come
to work, and u will pay me.
Yours …
Perseverance
MAFOSTA
30 Nov 2011, 10:25 am
I refuse to congratulate.
30 Nov 2011, 10:28 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-65:
protest noted.
30 Nov 2011, 10:30 am
I love killing off all this bonhomie.
Makes my day.
30 Nov 2011, 10:40 am
The judges must have been paid.
30 Nov 2011, 10:41 am
Gotta go with David here..
The wee man has turned into a porker. No wonder he took that stupid little carracature face of his off the homepage.
That was when he still had one chin.
30 Nov 2011, 10:42 am
I will hang Keohane from the nearest beam with that tie.
That tie must be burnt at the stake.
That is the tie he got married in.
1980′s
30 Nov 2011, 10:43 am
@Bod(bod)-69:
what is a carracature?
some kind of vegan smoothie?
30 Nov 2011, 10:43 am
Keo couldn’t even be bothered to do up the top button of his shirt and tie. What a slapgat.
30 Nov 2011, 10:45 am
Keo, Gary Lemke…..
Does anyone know what has happened to that old gatgabba of theirs turned Judas
Darryl “Cut and Paste” Bristol-Bovey
30 Nov 2011, 10:48 am
@Gunther(gunther)-71:
Bod 69….. It has something about it.
My learned friend… You of comic book reading education should be well versed with the word
30 Nov 2011, 10:48 am
@Dawn (70),
You are not Mrs Keohane are you?
30 Nov 2011, 10:49 am
@Bod(bod)-73: i used to enjoy darryl bristow-bovey
and David Bullard
in my mind i see David Bullard when conversing with gunther
30 Nov 2011, 10:51 am
@Gunther(gunther)-71:
Ag yissus….ok….. semantics
Toss
30 Nov 2011, 10:52 am
@Bod(bod)-74:
comics were never my thing.
I was outside scoring hundreds on the green playing fields whilst sociopathic misfits such as yourselfl were reading comics and pulling the wings off insects
30 Nov 2011, 10:55 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-76:
Yo tambien.
Ol Darryl still penned my most favourite rugby statement of all time:
“Whenever I see Stefan Terreblanches name on the Bok teamsheet I want to give up the will to live”
I enjoyed Bullard as well
30 Nov 2011, 10:56 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-76:
my cigar is bigger than his.
30 Nov 2011, 10:57 am
@Gunther(gunther)-78: only time you scored on the green fields was with Cecil and Cyril after too much champers at the croquet club you raving queen elitist gimp !
30 Nov 2011, 10:58 am
@Gunther(gunther)-71: a “carracature” is a is aminiature statue of jamie carragher better known as an action figure.
Boderick has plenty.
30 Nov 2011, 10:58 am
bloody work to do
outta here
30 Nov 2011, 11:04 am
@Gunther(gunther)-78:
Yeah right
The only tons you ever made were in your dreams or on the lush carboard outfields of the Owzat game
30 Nov 2011, 11:06 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-82:
and he puts them in a large dollhouse he calls Anfield.
30 Nov 2011, 11:10 am
Keo was awarded Sports Columnist of the Year award ????
seriously?
so not only does SA have no rugby talent, you have no one who can string a few words together coherently..
why am I not surpruised..
30 Nov 2011, 11:13 am
I was about to have a go at him about the New Zealanders and their spelling and punctuation, but after my howler this morning I cannot.
Someone else pleaase do…
30 Nov 2011, 11:14 am
@Gunther(gunther)-85:
30 Nov 2011, 11:16 am
@BULLET(BULLET)-75:
Lord forbid
30 Nov 2011, 11:17 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-86: ” surpruised” hey?
30 Nov 2011, 11:19 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-86:
What’s your feckin problem
If you don’t like it go away
30 Nov 2011, 11:22 am
@Bod(bod)-87:
no.
rather leave poep hanging.
like a stale **** in an elevator.
@Dawn(Dawn)-91:
indeed.
I don’t know why he bothers.
he adds nothing of value.
story of his life really.
30 Nov 2011, 11:26 am
Keo
Gotta thank the old boys in getting this gravy train going for him…back in 2004 there were the likes of Huge Mtondo, St Michel, Wallabie etc etc
Wallabie. was more militant back in the early years…age has softened him and his belly!!
30 Nov 2011, 11:28 am
@Gunther(gunther)-85:
There are many a thing you can call and do to me….. but do never, ever, ever relate me to anything Anfieldish.
Joder.
I will find you in that Loewenstein house of yours
Capiche?
30 Nov 2011, 11:29 am
@Gunther(gunther)-92:
you say he must be left hanging then you blast Popoali’i yourself hehehe
30 Nov 2011, 11:29 am
hahaha look at all you pathetic japies
having keohane as a figurehead really is sad
that he can actually garner an award in your backward country doesn’t need my derision
just my pity.
30 Nov 2011, 11:31 am
@Bod(bod)-94: scouser?
30 Nov 2011, 11:31 am
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-93:
How can you rate yourself in the same class as Huge Mtondo??
Wallabie always has been and always will be a cnut…. soft or hard
30 Nov 2011, 11:32 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-95:
he’s still hanging
can’t to you smell it.
no matter how many times you refresh the page it lingers.
poepsray
30 Nov 2011, 11:33 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-96:
Jarpie pops….. Jarpie. Ask Tackles
The old typing fingers are cold this morning I see
30 Nov 2011, 11:34 am
Congratulations Mark Konyn!
30 Nov 2011, 11:34 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-97:
Joder you too…
30 Nov 2011, 11:35 am
Well done Keo team! We give you a lot of grief on here but lord knows we friggin’ love this place!
30 Nov 2011, 11:35 am
Congratulations and well done.
30 Nov 2011, 11:38 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-96: how pathetic are you to keep hanging around here?
what is the new zealand equivalent of keo.co.za, silverfern? no wonder you’re revel in making gat of urself here then
30 Nov 2011, 11:39 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-105: not as pathetic as you trans, i could never scrape the barrel that low…
30 Nov 2011, 11:42 am
As much as congratulations are in order, in some corner of his mind it must “irk” Mark that his site is still considered a “blog”.
My wife has a blog. She gives advice and wisdom on childhood development, with some emphasis on arts and crafts for kiddies too.
Mark you may want to consider subscribing, it will give you some tips on how to keep your youngsters (Ryan, Gareth & Co) occupied over the off-season.
Idle hands as they say Mark, Idle hands.
30 Nov 2011, 11:42 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-105:
he’s probably had his canoe impounded by silver fern.
30 Nov 2011, 11:42 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-106: hahaha this is a saffa website, with mostly saffa mates of mine, where’s the pathetic part?
hehehe
30 Nov 2011, 11:45 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-109: is it a Saffa website is it? what gave it away? the .co at the end of the address?
still trying segregation are we Trans? seems a bit of a juxtaposition given your username…
30 Nov 2011, 11:47 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-96:
Oh shut up
What the hell are you doing here then.
Two-faced hypocrite
30 Nov 2011, 11:49 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-110:
It peeess you off but you come heerrree every fecking day!!!!
We won an award!
So what!
Jirre you darem vokken stupid.
30 Nov 2011, 11:49 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-105:
If you ever want to give yorself a reason never to set foot in NZ, then spend a bit of time on Silver Fern.
Scary mob, with the average IQ of a pot plant.
Pos reckons he has now risen above those ashes…
30 Nov 2011, 11:50 am
Is there a way to send private messages in Keo?
30 Nov 2011, 11:50 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-110: um, go check stuffyou.co.nz for an answer to your inane question.
30 Nov 2011, 11:50 am
well done to the team, i guess.
to be fair a lot of their articles are sometimes spot on and goodish.
most importantly i suppose is the fact that it pulls the numbers readership wise, though a good argument can be made that its really the posting/blogging community which reallt sustains it.
well done all the same.
30 Nov 2011, 11:51 am
@Bod(bod)-113:
a ficus?
30 Nov 2011, 11:52 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-114: Yes.
30 Nov 2011, 11:52 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-110: “segregation”? ha, you’re the first to come here and post about “pathetic japies” and then you want to be embraced?
fark off piece of sshit!
30 Nov 2011, 11:52 am
Congrats to Mark et al, including all the bloggers.
Keep up the good work guys
30 Nov 2011, 11:52 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-115: nah, go check “yesbaasagainbaas.co.za” first mate…
as for inane, you take the cake… surprised you havent recalled one of my posts from an earlier thread, such is your “expertise”..
stuill a lackey Trans, nothing more, nothing less…
@Dawn(Dawn)-111: nah, you shut up… speak when youre spoken to, alright?
30 Nov 2011, 11:52 am
@Bod(bod)-113:
Well Bod, tell that to the 100,000 South Africans that live there and the thousands that visit.
One thing you dont do is listen to a blog and then make the assumption that these people on here represent there country.
So thank your lucky stars,as your no Einstein
30 Nov 2011, 11:53 am
still think he’s a manchurian though…
30 Nov 2011, 11:54 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-118:
Do tell
30 Nov 2011, 11:56 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-124: locals only. It’s a code.
30 Nov 2011, 11:56 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-121:
Feckoff
I will speak when and how I want
You tweegevreet.
Slag everyone and everything off here but you spend half your miserable fecked up existence here.
30 Nov 2011, 11:56 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-121:
lol
I was waiting for the cook me some eggs then.
30 Nov 2011, 11:57 am
@Gunther(gunther)-117:
Only if you give them one brain cell more…
30 Nov 2011, 11:57 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-125:
lol
Is it called Afrikaans?
30 Nov 2011, 11:58 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-121:
What the hell is “baas”
We dont talk like that here.
30 Nov 2011, 11:58 am
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-129: exactly Bruce.
30 Nov 2011, 11:59 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-131:
lol
30 Nov 2011, 11:59 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-126: nice, hide behind a language that your audience doesnt understand?
of course i spend half my time here, someones got to give it to you japies, its what you guys deserve…
now run along wahine, having you got washing to do and kids to feed? lmfao..
30 Nov 2011, 12:00 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-130:
wow, dawn, now ya speaking my language…….ohhh say baa one more time.
30 Nov 2011, 12:01 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-121: hahaha stereotyping much Popoali’i?
why are u on keo if you hate it?
30 Nov 2011, 12:01 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-129:
google joumasepoes and you will find the instructions.
however caveat emptor.
once you exchange personal details with a guy like poep you will always be looking over your shoulder.
30 Nov 2011, 12:03 pm
Reminds me of an unfortunate incident that my mate got himself into a week or so ago. He was at a function close to Rissik street in Jozi, pissed as a coot and was driving in the bus lane.
A metro cop stopped him and said “ayez meneer, theees is the buuus lane”…
To which he replied drunkenly:
“Yez, and I am baaaas Werner”.
Bad move.
30 Nov 2011, 12:03 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-122:
Ok you are correct. I cannot make a broad assumption based on one website.
However, if I add the NZ bloggers brain capacity on this site to those of their Silver Fern brothers, it becomes clear and apparent that the average IQ of the NZ population is akin to that of a pot plant
And thats not rocket science…
30 Nov 2011, 12:05 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-136: the same way you were always looking over your shoulder at Roebuck ?
is that how you scored so many tons? he got your stroke going did he?
@Transformation(Transformation)-135: who says I hate keo? I just laughed at the fact5 he got an award because his journalism is poor.. “NZ rugby is k@k” a prime example..
but I see you guys lap it up..
30 Nov 2011, 12:06 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-133:
here’s a decent article on carlos and his time in sa, as well his reasons for not wanting to return to kiwiland…you chop..
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10769737
30 Nov 2011, 12:09 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-137:
@poppa69(poppa69)-139:
poep what new tragedy in your life has lowered your “standards” yet again?
dog died?
goldfish involved in a nasty hit and run?
whatever it is your next grief stricken meltdown is on the horizon and you have exhausted our sympathy.
30 Nov 2011, 12:09 pm
@Bod(bod)-138:
Thanks Bod, no matter how thick and how low my IQ is, it seems that i can still be correct somehow.
30 Nov 2011, 12:10 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-139:
Problems with the lingo?
Ask anyone to translate for you boetie.
And PS: joumasevokkenpoes.
I don’t do dishes and I don’t have kids.
Go do yours.
30 Nov 2011, 12:12 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-86:
and what does it say about the talent rugby-writing wise in new zealand that you and other new zealanders spend so much of your time on this site…
if we are pathetic japes… what does that say about you…?
you’re such sadsacks that you criticize keo and saffas… but you still have to spend so much of your social time on a pathetic japie website…
now THAT is pathetic…
hell man… you really do need to get yourself a life…
i guess king carlos is right…
new zealand is just too small and boring… he’d rather make a life in the good old RS of A…
gotta tell jobbos like you something… dinit…??
30 Nov 2011, 12:12 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-143:
I think we’ve just received a sneak preview as to how poeps treats his missus.
Life can’t be easy for the poor thing.
30 Nov 2011, 12:14 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-143:
30 Nov 2011, 12:16 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-142:
Awwwwwww ok. I didnt mean no harm. Let me indulge you.
Clever Hurricane…. Clever Hurricane. Stupid Pops…. Stupid Pops.
Feeling better?
30 Nov 2011, 12:16 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-145:
Dammit man
I can’t believe and woman would lower herself to go within 100 feet of that miserable yard of wet tripe.
30 Nov 2011, 12:17 pm
strange how so many NZ and Aus rugby fans spend soooo much time posting on keo…
but so few saffas spend time posting on aus or kiwi sites…
there’s a lesson in there somewhere…
but we won’t hold our breaths and expect any none-saffas to learn anything…
30 Nov 2011, 12:17 pm
You all leave Hurricane alone
At least he has a spine
30 Nov 2011, 12:17 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-140:
Read that, all he says is NZ is to small and he likes to kill cr@p.
Have you been to Levin where he is from?
Small and not much to kill.
30 Nov 2011, 12:17 pm
amazing how one lil comment from me can get so many Neanderthals responding.
easier than shooting fish in a barrel, and no khaki shorts to be seen anywhere.
30 Nov 2011, 12:18 pm
Just to add to the speculation about Mallett:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/15944912.stm
30 Nov 2011, 12:20 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-150:
30 Nov 2011, 12:20 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-145:
I trust Pops has a kiwi wife only they would be dof enough to……
Nah…. lemme stop
30 Nov 2011, 12:21 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-142:
show him you’re a better man, hurricane.
30 Nov 2011, 12:23 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-152:
I believe a few have you in there crossheirs.
What happens is when you log in, it raises an alarm bell that triggers in the land
of Keo.
You should consider yourself lucky, as you do get alot of attention.
30 Nov 2011, 12:23 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-151:
there’s thing to kill in nz?
30 Nov 2011, 12:24 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-130: “Baas”, translated from Kiwi, means “please darling give it to me”… Most times followed by a “Bleat”…
30 Nov 2011, 12:24 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-151:
Unfortunately I have to agree with you on this one.
That article wasnt a great advert for reasons to live in SA… lamenting the fact that you are able to end the life of some poot harmless animal.
But there again, it did come from the lips of a kiwi…. or should that be pot plant
30 Nov 2011, 12:25 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-137: Lol
30 Nov 2011, 12:26 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-148:
Indeed.
Poor thing probably has so many black eyes her friends call her panda.
30 Nov 2011, 12:26 pm
Hurri.
I consider it an honour. they all line up to have a go at me spouting their moral superiority, yet read their posts and they are just as bad
its so funny.
30 Nov 2011, 12:26 pm
@Upho(ufo)-149:
hahaha
If i said anything like that i would have atleast some facts ready when someone asks.
” How do you know that more Kiwis spend more time on SA sites than SA spend on Kiwi sites?
30 Nov 2011, 12:27 pm
Congrats Keo and team. We might not see eye to eye on certain issues and articles written, but kudos to you guys for a job well done.
30 Nov 2011, 12:28 pm
@Mr Black(Mr Black)-64: Farken funny.
30 Nov 2011, 12:29 pm
Hurri
I’ve done more to unify all Saffas in a few short months then the last twenty years of transformation.
lil old me. classic
30 Nov 2011, 12:30 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-41: My bleeding heart… Pocock can’t be a Zimbo… Sounds like something straight from Camps Bay.
30 Nov 2011, 12:32 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-153:
its might be good for mallet but it sure casts the rfu in an even poorer light.
cant even get on top of sorting out a coach so have to go down the temp route, which is not the first time either.
30 Nov 2011, 12:33 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-158:
Yeah but they are of limit.
@Bod(bod)-160:
I would go for a cabbage plant.
Carlos is one of my friends cousins. Carlos years ago use to spend more time in front of the mirrior
than his mum.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-159:
I hope Dawn does not listen to you.
Baaass means “please darling give it to me”
Baa means ” you just called yourself a plonker and a tosspot”
Dont try and break the Sheep code.
30 Nov 2011, 12:33 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-156:
Any specific reason as to why to are siding with mi amigo from Wellington?
And now Dawn says I must leave him alone
Best I do that then
We still buddies Hurricane?
30 Nov 2011, 12:34 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-167:
you think far too highly of yourself pops…far too highly…
30 Nov 2011, 12:35 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-156:
“show him you’re a better man, hurricane”.
Like the BETTER MEN making comments about Popps wife!
30 Nov 2011, 12:35 pm
Not sure whether it is the articles or the absolutely barking mad bloggers that make this site… Actually I am damnsure it is not the articles. Some very good but others not so.
Mostly when logging onto Keo, I look at recent activity and dive straight in… Only afterwards have a squizz at the articles.
30 Nov 2011, 12:36 pm
@Bod(bod)-171:
Course we are Bod.
30 Nov 2011, 12:37 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-170: And there I was thinking that “Baa” means “assume the position for Maori doggy style”. You farken lied to me…
30 Nov 2011, 12:39 pm
@cane(cane)-173: Does Pooper actually have a wife? Well in the strict sense of the term… I’m not talking shaggy white fleeces and intermittent bleats here… and that goes for you too…
30 Nov 2011, 12:40 pm
@cane(cane)-173:
I stopped Caner…. you saw that!
30 Nov 2011, 12:40 pm
@Bod(bod)-171:
nothing against you, sorry bod.
i just think he’s not as bad and is similar to cane in a ‘life’s not all about trolling the interweb and looking for jarpies to piss- off because i’ve in fact got a moerse inferiority complex and, more, i know that everyone knows that we rigged and stole a world cup’… kinda way.
he’s a better man to build bridges with…where as with pops you mostly end up building brick sshithouses.
30 Nov 2011, 12:40 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-176:
Hey, Our English friends bought the Sheep to NZ, dont blame us Maoris.
No one told us what they were there for
30 Nov 2011, 12:41 pm
what about best blogger here Keo??
although not big fan of Keo WP friendly stories here. This is far best site for us saffies.
30 Nov 2011, 12:41 pm
@cane(cane)-173:
for that i apologise, sincerely.
to you pops as well you cane.
30 Nov 2011, 12:42 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-179:
hmmm do i say thank you to that?
30 Nov 2011, 12:43 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-107:
I doubt if their hands are idle after getting this award.
30 Nov 2011, 12:43 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-180: Lol… I suppose something nice and soft was hard to find… You chaps just did the logical thing and put two and two together…
30 Nov 2011, 12:43 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-175:
Good man
Now I can bugger off and use my superior intellect to catch MacGuyver which is about to start on Spanish TV1, safe in the knowledge that I now have two Kiwi buddies
No Pops not you…
Bod out
30 Nov 2011, 12:44 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-183:
30 Nov 2011, 12:46 pm
@Bod(bod)-186:
MacGuyver?
Surely thats not the old McGuyver? lol
Well enjoy Bod.
30 Nov 2011, 12:46 pm
Senior Surveillance Officer greatest13gerber, how the bloody hell are you doing?
Still supporting NTvl?
30 Nov 2011, 12:47 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-177:
An old Keo Poster, once told me, in no uncertain terms…………………………”Wives, girlfriends and family are a no go area”.
I totally agree with him.
He no longer posts here. He has move on. But he retains my admiration and respect.
Groot was his name.
30 Nov 2011, 12:47 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-185:
lol yeah we had Moas but they were a bit unforgiving if you didnt kill them first.
30 Nov 2011, 12:48 pm
@cane(cane)-190:
Groot, wow name from the past.
30 Nov 2011, 12:48 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-167: ja, we all recognise a piece of sshit when we see it
30 Nov 2011, 12:49 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-191: Lol
30 Nov 2011, 12:50 pm
and if anyone knows **** trams, it would be you
30 Nov 2011, 12:51 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-194:
Die kiwis wat hier post is almal fo kken alkies en mo er toe gesuip as hulle post.Het hulle niks beter om met hulle aand tedoen nie?
30 Nov 2011, 12:52 pm
what’s the matter Trans. am I encroaching on your sense of entitlement?
shampies
who cares, we’re world champs for the next four years
SAs are all impotent. can’t even get a semi
30 Nov 2011, 12:53 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-196:
Hewy fernly you are talking gibberish again………………………………sobber up. FFS.
30 Nov 2011, 12:53 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-195:
YOUR WIFE SUX EGGS AND IS UGLY
30 Nov 2011, 12:54 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-196:
The Kiwis………………….
Thats all i got.
I take it you posted it so i dont get to read it.
30 Nov 2011, 12:54 pm
Seems the Steinlager Shift has started.
30 Nov 2011, 12:55 pm
@cane(cane)-198:
Take that.
30 Nov 2011, 12:57 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-197:
Pity that your Mom’s passing turned you into a worse person.
You came here and apologised and most gave their condolences.
We even gave you recognision for having the mana to man up and apologise.
Times is gonna be tough with the first Xmas without Mom and then her 1st bday with her not here anymore.
Go look at yourself in the mirror.
I am not perfect at all but have a good honest look at yourself.
May you find answers,peace and healing soon.
Later all,have a great day.
30 Nov 2011, 12:57 pm
Dawn
still, she has more class than you. did you strike out trying to pick up tacitus ?
says it all.
hahahaha hahahahaha
30 Nov 2011, 12:58 pm
@cane(cane)-190:
agreed, some things shoud never change. i too am old fashioned in that way and can tell you i have never hit a woman or child in my life.
i do try to say things straight to the people concerned but will admit i sometimes lose my cool and say nasty things about a whole group of people (such as kiwis) just because of one or two comments from one or two people, who happen to be from that group.
this should never happen, period. the same goes for insulting a bloggers family and so on.
30 Nov 2011, 13:00 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-196:
Hang on , i dont drink alcohol really. When i post i drink either a V or a lift.
And when it gets serious i open a powerade.
30 Nov 2011, 13:01 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-204:
No doubt.
More lower class.
You seem to follow my shenanigans too closely here.
Lay off Tac and me.
None of your beeswax
30 Nov 2011, 13:01 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-164:
hehehe…
you’re welcome to ask each site for the breakdowns of their international members/visitors…
we all know what the statistics will say…
thing is… we all know that you get blackballed pretty damn fast on silver fern if you don’t toe the party line… and the success of keo is that people can pretty much express themselves as they choose… which is why people log on to say it…
so… i don’t have to prove my statement right… we all know it is correct…
you disprove it…
c’mon… i dare you…!!
30 Nov 2011, 13:01 pm
why is keo.co.za registered under the german flag?this is rather disappointing seeing that we just recently commemorated our war dead at the hands of these vile people.
30 Nov 2011, 13:02 pm
“hahahaha hahahahaha”
Fool.
30 Nov 2011, 13:03 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-205:
Don’t go getting too serious now bakkies.
If we all did that……………………………………..Keo wouldn’t win any Awards.
8)
30 Nov 2011, 13:03 pm
@mvk(mvk)-209:
WPTID
Please answer this
Ek het nie krag nie
30 Nov 2011, 13:04 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-203:
there’s a saying which always makes me think of my mother:
you only miss the water when the well runs dry.
its not to say i didnt care about or miss her when she was alive but that to some extent one does’nt really consider the important people in one’s life enough and in some way you take them being around for granted, until the day you lose them forever.
in a moment of its happening, and many times thereafter i sometimes allow myself to wonder and then it hits home….how much i trully miss the water now…
30 Nov 2011, 13:04 pm
mvk, I’m of German ancestry. What a generalisation by you!
Every single nation has its share of sin.
30 Nov 2011, 13:05 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-203: why the reference to his mother?please let the man’s mother rest in peace ffs.
30 Nov 2011, 13:05 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-214:
poodlefucker.
30 Nov 2011, 13:07 pm
Gunther, I should have known…
30 Nov 2011, 13:09 pm
@Upho(ufo)-208:
Upho,
Silver Fern is a NZRFU site (I think). So they are not going to tolerate the kind of material an Independant might.
Stands to reason.
30 Nov 2011, 13:10 pm
@Upho(ufo)-208:
Sorry but its not me thats trying to prove a point with no facts, as i dont know what the stats will say.
In all honesty i have never visited Silverfern, why would i talk to a bunch of Kiwis that i see everyday when i can talk to South Africans on a good rugby site.
30 Nov 2011, 13:11 pm
@cane(cane)-211:
sheepish grin…
you’re right again, i have a bad cold, it must be affecting my hormonal/testosterone levels.
30 Nov 2011, 13:11 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-189:
I am well old foe
NTVl Till I Die
30 Nov 2011, 13:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-168: hahaha
he was born in Gweru like you 
bloody brokeback rhodesian
30 Nov 2011, 13:13 pm
I have a pole for my old blue flag now.
30 Nov 2011, 13:15 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-214:share of sin?what a joke. 6 million gassed jews will forever be a stain on your race mate.thank g. for the usa and britain that up to today keeps a fine military check on that war-mongering nation.
30 Nov 2011, 13:15 pm
Where is the German flag on the site?
30 Nov 2011, 13:15 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-203:
This is one of the most saddest posts i have probably seen on here.
Fern, why bring all this cr@p up. Its not good losing a family member especially one this close.
I think its you that should be apologising.
30 Nov 2011, 13:16 pm
Do you grow Barberton daisies in your garden in New Zealand, too?
30 Nov 2011, 13:17 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-203: Dude, let the dead rest. Your comment is out of order.
30 Nov 2011, 13:17 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-219:
in the absence of any hard information… i think he’s right though.
this is a very liberal site in terms of whats allowed to be said and what’s not.
30 Nov 2011, 13:17 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-223:
The North Shore……………………………. the New South Africa.
Flag Poles now Gerbil.
You are being paid too much.
I’ll bet you voted ACT.
8)
30 Nov 2011, 13:21 pm
The same USA that massacred millions of Native Americans? The same Britain that supported slavery resulting in the deaths of millions of Africans?
30 Nov 2011, 13:22 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-229:
Yep, i do believe that as well.
But dont believe the rest he is saying.
You have to look at it this way too. Some people wont come here cos its a little to open sometimes.
Lets say its not for the faint hearted
30 Nov 2011, 13:23 pm
@cane(cane)-230:
Greatest is old school. I think he voted greens
Once ya been to woodstock, the green vote is a given
30 Nov 2011, 13:25 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-233:
Greatest voted Nats.
30 Nov 2011, 13:26 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-228: thanks mike.this idiot shows no respect to the dead and the sad part is that he got his chearleaders on this forum.certain people are more interested in defending their ancestors destruction of 6 million jews than pulling up a blogger for his sick comment.
30 Nov 2011, 13:27 pm
@mvk(mvk)-224:
thats an unsubstantiated and somewhat controversial number first of all.
secondly, what your point with this.
the history of the human race is one of continual murder and destruction of some groups by others, for as long as there has been humans.
in my opinion as wel as others it does’nt even top the list in terms of the duration in time and size of number estimate for people killed.
try the mongol destruction of baghdad in the 1200′s for starters, or the japanese offensive against china pre, during and post ww2 also.
or the total number of killed and casualties of the soviets too during ww2.
again, whats your point?…
30 Nov 2011, 13:29 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-231:
The same Britain that saw the errors of it’s ways and outlawed Slavery EVERYWHERE.
To the extent that the Royal Navy would board any foreign ship transporting Slaves.
30 Nov 2011, 13:30 pm
@cane(cane)-230:
Hone heke would be turning in his grave.
30 Nov 2011, 13:31 pm
@cane(cane)-218: you should start up a NZ rugby blog cane, I would post there
30 Nov 2011, 13:34 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-231: british and american army bases will never leave german soil and there is nothing that merkel or any future chancellor can do about it.the germans might think it’s only because of nato but we all know that it’s simply there to suppress that evilness and to prevent that defect war-mongering german gene from surfacing again.
30 Nov 2011, 13:37 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-236: it’s an accepted figure mate,unless you also of german descent just like your mate wptid.
30 Nov 2011, 13:38 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-239:
I think we all should come to terms with Keo.comedy first, Biggles.
One challange at a time.
The behaviour of us posters, is not improving with time.
8)
Much to Keo’s delite
30 Nov 2011, 13:42 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-231: get over it mate.your war-mongering ancestors tried to conquer the world twice and on both occasions got their arse well and truly kicked by the mighty americans and brits.you should thank the brits and americans for the freedom you are experiencing today.
30 Nov 2011, 13:47 pm
@mvk(mvk)-241: @mvk(mvk)-241:
what exactly does ‘accepted figure’ mean?
i dont believe it is, and am pretty sure that the best jewish academics think ir say similarly.
did it happen and just how big the number is, is one thing. whether the number is an academically and scientifically validated fact in another, and i dont believe it is.
30 Nov 2011, 13:47 pm
@mvk(mvk)-243: steady on mvk, I’m no fan of the Germans but the supposition of a genetic predisposition towards war is taking things a step too far imo, for a start Adolf wasn’t even German. You make an interesting point about the bases, I would suppose the trust isn’t quite there yet. Hardly surprising, once bitten twice shy.
30 Nov 2011, 13:47 pm
@mvk(mvk)-235: Human kind is a sick species. We cannot change what happened in the past but we can control what we say and do in the present.
30 Nov 2011, 13:48 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-244: Then frankly you are wrong and going against all mainstream academia.
30 Nov 2011, 13:48 pm
Award is well deserved – however I think this site has outgrown the “blog” label. More of a rugby news site imo. I know that line may be gray and debatable but just my opinion….
30 Nov 2011, 13:49 pm
@mvk(mvk)-243: There is nothing genetic about war-making. It is cultural and cultures changes.
30 Nov 2011, 13:51 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-236: Neither the Mongols or the **** aimed to exterminate an entire category of peoples from the face of the earth. That’s the difference and that’s why it lives on.
30 Nov 2011, 13:54 pm
Congrats. Great reading about the SAB Sports Media Awards with Windhoek advertising all around it haha!
30 Nov 2011, 13:54 pm
@Hurricane(Hurricane)-219:
just doing the kiwi thang… as amply demonstrated by cane and poppa… why let fact get in the way of outrageous statements… doesn’t worry them at all… so i won’t let it worry me…
ol’ cane and poppa are so intent on playing the victims they forget who has been civil and polite and friendly to them and just blast everything and everyone saffa…
so if saffas and things saffa are so bad… why do they keep coming back like a cyndi lauper song…? you gotta have very interesting psychological issues to keep going back to something you so despise…
they say insanity is repeating the same thing endlessly and expecting different results… what the hell do they call it when when you repeat endlessly doing something with people you so despise…
cane and poppa have the memory retention of a goldfish swimming round in a shot-glass…
30 Nov 2011, 13:54 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-245: you are probably right mate.my great grandfather fought in the north african desert against that rubbish and the sight of a german flag or person just sets me off i guess.
30 Nov 2011, 13:57 pm
@mvk(mvk)-253: A crying shame that their followers got elected to government in 1948 here
30 Nov 2011, 14:02 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-247:
no sir, frankly you are wrong.
there is no widely accepted mainstream academic agreement on the number of jewish people killed being 6 million.
besides, my point is that is not the first or last time some people killed some other people and its certainly not the biggest amount as there are far worse examples.
30 Nov 2011, 14:04 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-255: Speaking as an academic – archaeologist with a history degree – I can safely say your statement is wrong.
Yes more people have been killed before. However, my counter-point remains the same. The Holocaust is unique.
30 Nov 2011, 14:05 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-254: ……and promptly released that nazi lover roby leibrandt.the nationalists will forever be linked to the nazis.
30 Nov 2011, 14:06 pm
http…askville.amazon.com/worse-Holocaust/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=8143405 for anyone interested
30 Nov 2011, 14:07 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-255: do you deny the Holocaust?
30 Nov 2011, 14:08 pm
http://www.auschwitz.dk/docu/faq.htm
30 Nov 2011, 14:09 pm
@mvk(mvk)-259: I don’t think he denies it. I think he simply has no grasp of the details and has been reading the **** put out by Holocaust deniers.
30 Nov 2011, 14:10 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-250:
ok then, take liberties with your interpretations of history friend.
tell the 1 to 3 million inhabitants of baghdad circa 1258 that, who by the way perished in the space of about two weeks. of course various people at various times sought to the best of their abilties to exterminate entire categories of peoples.
in fact an argument can be made for the germans actually being the worst of a bad lot for not being able to really get the number of jews down, when compared to peoples of other cultures, ethnicities or races who suffered similr fates.
30 Nov 2011, 14:11 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-261< he probably spend too much time in the company of the iranian president recently.
30 Nov 2011, 14:12 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-262: are you of nazi descent?
30 Nov 2011, 14:13 pm
The holocaust?
Seriously?
30 Nov 2011, 14:15 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-262: Destruction of cities is not the same as saying “all Jews are to be exterminated as STATE policy” and for that policy to be normalised throughout society.
You’re attempting to conflate two different types of atrocities and do justice to neither in so doing.
That you don’t understand says doesn’t tell me much for your analytical ability re history.
30 Nov 2011, 14:15 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-256:
no, it is not unique.
and no, it is not accepted fact that the number of jews killed is/was 6 million.
people have been killing one another for as long as there have been people. there is no special category for any one group in this story as there are countless examples of such occurences throughout history.
@mvk(mvk)-259:
do you deny more peoples of other cultures, ethnicities and races have suffered worse fates?
30 Nov 2011, 14:15 pm
time to go.can’t waste my time with a Holocaust denialist like bakkies.all i know is that he can’t change the fact that the brits and americans kicked their nazi butts into kingdom come.
30 Nov 2011, 14:16 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-265: Hey if we can’t have fun with Gunther and Grantie, we have to discuss something
30 Nov 2011, 14:16 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-262: Jews have and always will exist world-wide. All Hitler did (tragically) was eliminate almost all of them in the countries that he conquered.
Jews have suffered many purges over history, but the Nazi Holocaust during WW2 will always be significant for many reasons, not just in terms of magnitude (which of course was massive).
A failure of humanity all round.
Not the only one for sure, but a very significant and tragic one.
30 Nov 2011, 14:17 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-267: I give up. It is accepted. Period. I love how a non-academic is trying to tell an academic he doesn’t know his own disciplines. It takes some arrogance. I recommend getting your head out of the Holocaust denier literature.
30 Nov 2011, 14:17 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-269:
True, I enjoy the odd diversion from rugby, but this is just depressing!
30 Nov 2011, 14:18 pm
@cane(cane)-230:
Yes. I am John Banks fan. But I vote National.
New South Africa..North SHore…not many Islanders maori here but more asian now. as is most of cities in NZ now.
30 Nov 2011, 14:19 pm
what about crimes against poodles?
30 Nov 2011, 14:19 pm
@mvk(mvk)-253: Fuckoff Capo… Mummy calls.
Poodle needs feeding…
30 Nov 2011, 14:20 pm
Just a question: In what way did Keo “clean up” at the awards?
Did they make Ryan sweep the floors again?
Gareth to wash dishes and empty ashtrays?
Sies man. I wouldn’t have stood for that sort of thing guys…..
I think you need to join a Union.
30 Nov 2011, 14:22 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-272: So are the union picket lines I saw in different parts of London today. It’s a depressing day here, besides the sun being out ironically.
30 Nov 2011, 14:22 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-265:
And Keo gets sport ‘blog’ awards with little to no original content but comments of this standard… tsk tsk says much about the awards…
30 Nov 2011, 14:22 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-203: WTF
You been watching Oprah ?
30 Nov 2011, 14:25 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-278:
actually I won the award for my insightful comments.
keo is riding on my coat tails.
it doesn’t really bother me though, he’s so tiny I hardly notice.
30 Nov 2011, 14:26 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-266:
no, that is not what occurred.
what occurred was a clear and specific policy to not only destroy a city but ALL its inhabitants as well. add to this a number of other principal cities in the realm of the abbasid caliphate at the time which were also razed as well.
this practice has long gone on in human conflict. that you attempt to differentiate and in so doing ‘perhaps’ lessen the validity of one or many types/instances of atrocities over another does none any justice either.
life is cruel and people get killed, deal with it. what happened to the jews is not special, it has been happening to people for as long as there’s been people.
sadly, it will doubtless continue to happen well into the future.
30 Nov 2011, 14:28 pm
@mvk(mvk)-264:
honestly?.. honestly?
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-265:
true, we should change the subject.
30 Nov 2011, 14:29 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-196: Ja. Gesuip ****** skaapnaaiers…
30 Nov 2011, 14:32 pm
Hey keo, did you also win the award for “Being the most negative and most hateful towards SA rugby teams and we wish the aussies won the WC because I am an Australian at heart”?
30 Nov 2011, 14:33 pm
@mvk(mvk)-268: Wrong. It was the Russkies that did it in the end… Hard bu.ggers those Ivans… Woe betide they take up Rugby with a vengeance… They will make the hardest farkers in Rugby – the Boks – seem like big old softies…
30 Nov 2011, 14:35 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-281: Recognising different types of killing does not reduce the horror of any. Lumping them all together without any semblance of basic understanding or wish to understand does. I’m done with you.
@grant10(grant10)-279: LOL
30 Nov 2011, 14:35 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-281: SO GENOCIDE IS NOT SPECIAL?i give up on you mate!!trying to wipe a race from the face of the earth is not special?not even the iranian president can live with you regarding your great knowledge on matters concerning the holocaust.you are truly a holocaust denialist whether you want to believe it or not..
30 Nov 2011, 14:37 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-270:
fair enough.
humanity has failed itself many times and many rounds.
it was a significant tragedy yes, but there have been many.
more sad is the fact that there will be many more.
@Michael(mikeybrass)-271:
lets agree to disagree.
i do just want to point out that there are numbers of anything up to about 7 or 8 million total deaths for the vietnamese as suffered by the americans… this to me is as much a tragic genocidal event as any other…
thats my point they’re all bad.
but its the strory of humans is’nt it.
30 Nov 2011, 14:39 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-285:
agreed – without the Russkies, the outcome could’ve been very different.
And they lost something in excess of 23 million lives in the process!
30 Nov 2011, 14:40 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-280:
Now that I can believe…
30 Nov 2011, 14:40 pm
@mvk(mvk)-253: My grandfather also fought in North Africa….
30 Nov 2011, 14:43 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-285:
Ironic you should say that… Adam Byrnes from the Rebels spent two months with the Ruskies as he qualified for their RWC team… in his weekly blog he stated at some point in time they’d be a force in rugby…
Built for the game, millions of them and only one real team contact sport in Ice Hockey…
30 Nov 2011, 14:43 pm
@grant10(grant10)-291: on which side?
30 Nov 2011, 14:43 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-285:
absolutely ffucken right.
too bad so many of us in the west believe all bullsshit the propaganda our governments feed us too often.
the yanks and brits won the war..yeah right…
@mvk(mvk)-287:
no i am not.
what is important is that you state correctly that there is a history of holocausts occurring throughout time. its not a new thing, really.
30 Nov 2011, 14:43 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-269: Leave me out of this…..
By the way…..the thought of the Yanks being the gatekeepers leaves me stone cold……they are the modern day Nazis…..
farkem
30 Nov 2011, 14:46 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-281: stop mate…..
you on a farken slippery slope too nazi sympathiser…..
and i like you….
so please farken stop….
30 Nov 2011, 14:47 pm
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-289:
again, there you go…
all the principal battles fought and lost were on the eastern front, fact.
there are no similarly large numbers in terms of battles fought or total lives lost anywhere on the western front for the period of ww2.
in order to compare one would have to go back to ww1 for high numbers of allied/western casualties or battles fought.
30 Nov 2011, 14:47 pm
@mvk(mvk)-293: the Brits
30 Nov 2011, 14:51 pm
@grant10(grant10)-295:
the cycle of life, the circle of history…
ironic is’nt it…
@grant10(grant10)-296:
ok, just for you grant
new subject:
how kak is the stormers recruitment processes this year?
or:
how article until keo calls the stormers to win the s15?
30 Nov 2011, 14:52 pm
how article unti = how many articles to go
30 Nov 2011, 14:53 pm
in his hatred for the americans and brits ,bakkies botha,after denying that the holocaust took place,now wants to convince the world that the russians won the war.laughable to say the least.history will show that the normandy invasion broke the backbone of his beloved nazi forces.when germany was carved up the allied forces rewarded the russians by giving them the rubbish part of germany…enough said.
30 Nov 2011, 14:55 pm
@grant10(grant10)-295: You’re easy to tease with Smittie
30 Nov 2011, 14:57 pm
@mvk(mvk)-301: The back of the Nazis was broken in Russia, which doesn’t diminish what everyone else did or Europe would have been living under Soviet occupation as a whole since.
The Nazis were in full retreat in Russia when Normandy occurred.
30 Nov 2011, 14:58 pm
@grant10(grant10)-298: you had me worried there for a minute.one day we should drink a toast to our great ancestors for preserving our freedom.just a pity gunther and bakkies nats fekked it up so soon afterwards.
30 Nov 2011, 15:00 pm
@mvk(mvk)-304: My wife’s grandfather fought the Nazis. He was Maltese. Malta was the most heavily bombed place on earth per square km. He went out and rescued those fighters shot down.
30 Nov 2011, 15:00 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-299: stormers and trecruitment in same line is a crime…..
however…i am really happy Joe Pietersen back.
I would of been happy with a WP Nel type to add some 3 depth…..
and a lot is going to depend on Rohan Kitshoff making the step up.
I have very little regard for Rassie and AC…..sorry to say but I believe we should be winning a lot more than we are….
everytime we meet the real big guns…like reds and saders…we blow it….even at home…..
no man….I expect more
30 Nov 2011, 15:01 pm
@mvk(mvk)-304: Anyways, chat later. Lunch time and I am exhaisted from being up from the early hours.
30 Nov 2011, 15:02 pm
@grant10(grant10)-306: I hope Joe still has his elusiveness.
30 Nov 2011, 15:03 pm
@mvk(mvk)-304: you wont ever see me applauding the yanks mate….farkem ….warmongers of note…biggest cancer on the planet….
my sister is a yank….
we tend to fight a bit
30 Nov 2011, 15:05 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-308: joe is a brilliant player……I hear he is looking very sharp at training as well..
30 Nov 2011, 15:09 pm
@Hooker22(Hooker22)-289: I think they lost more lives than all the other Allied countries put together… They also took more German lives than the other countries put together too… It was their Great Patriotic War.
30 Nov 2011, 15:11 pm
farkit….I see poms postponing announcement of new coach till after 6 nations…..
I re ckon Mallet is a goner for boks
30 Nov 2011, 15:12 pm
But while things got heated in Wednesday’s training session in the Emirate, with players getting a bit hot under the collar in a very physical clash, Afrika is unlikely to play any part in the Dubai Sevens this year.
What is going on with the Blitzbokke?
30 Nov 2011, 15:13 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-303: The fact that Russia was unconquerable left the Germans vulnerable on the Western front… If the Germans did’t try and take on the Russian Bear then it is pretty doubtful that there would have been a Western front at all and UK would be speaking German now…
30 Nov 2011, 15:13 pm
Well done on the blog award, it is a very diverse site, and loads of fun at times, plus the added bonus of a bit of rugby occasionally.
Was going to say all the credit actually should go to the bloggers, but then thought you allow us the freedom to express ourselves. So lots of smarties to you.
30 Nov 2011, 15:15 pm
@mvk(mvk)-301: Wrong. But since its obvious you learned your history from War comics, its not surprising…
30 Nov 2011, 15:17 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-305: Come now… And Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Stalingrad…?
30 Nov 2011, 15:22 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-292: Yeah man. Russians and Georgians… I tell you, those farkers will turn Rugby upside down when they start taking it seriously.
7s in the Olympics will be a catalyst for Russia I reckon. And Georgia we saw in the WC – their scrum a match for any team.
30 Nov 2011, 15:24 pm
@mvk(mvk)-301:
thats just ridiculous.
why would i hate americans and brits?
who says i’m denying anything?
you dont honestly believe the whole normandy invasion thingy… do you?
anyway, how bout this for an interesting spin on the history of the anglo saxon world as we know it, namely the british/american and modern western societies up to the present:
the battle of the teutoborg wald in 9CE is argued by some as a/the seminal battle fought by germanic peoples against the roman empire and brought about the furthest ever, lasting, northern and westward expansion reached by the roman empire of the time, which was somewheres along the western banks of the rhine.
it was by most accounts a well fought and exceptional victory for the germanic tribes allied together at the time against three legions under varus. it marks a high point in time of the expansion and thereafter the retreat and decline of the roman empires geographic boundary and in a way laid the foundation and made possible the eventual spread and growth of germanic speaking peoples all across europe.
this event of course, more plainly, meant that the subsequent tribes of angles and saxons, among others could eventually find their way to the british landmass and thereby aid the eventual founding of the british empire who’s most dominant peoples are of course the anglo-saxons as we know them today.
the same serving anglo-saxons who then went on to colonise most of the world in addition to giving birth to the now dominant american empire.
yegads! the the cycle of life, the circle of history…
so comedically ironic…
30 Nov 2011, 15:33 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-314: Spot on.
The Krauts needed the Oil desperately. Same as the Nips. Hitler was being squeezed on the production front, not just on Fuel but on other strategic supplies like rubber etc.
Incidentally the Japanese were also squeezed into a corner by the yanks, cutting them off from their strategic supply requirements, leaving them (in their minds) with no alternative but to strike at the US fleet at Pearl.
30 Nov 2011, 15:36 pm
And that concludes today’s 20th century history lecture.
Next up is a 6-part lecture on the glory of the Golden Lions Rugby Union. Please take your seats.
30 Nov 2011, 15:37 pm
@grant10(grant10)-306:
hehe
i think joe’s going to let you down more than you’d like next season.
a little unfair to put so much pressure on kitshoff, though having said that, he’s about the same age as the younger franks brother i think.
interesting fact: he’s namibian born so should work for you on many levels
sorry to say this but, i honestly hope to gawd, for the nations sake… that ac and rassie stay at the wpru and keep doing what they’re doing.. hehe
i think captaincy is the missing two inches wrt losing at home the way the stormer do.
expect your expectations not be met
@Michael(mikeybrass)-308:
as elusive as a stormers super title?
30 Nov 2011, 15:37 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-315: It is one of the more liberal sites on the web when it comes to freedom of expression.
Which is occasionally abused, but for the most part those guys end up getting banned, albeit temporarily.
Still good fun. Keeps my multi-tasking skills sharp.
How you doing?
30 Nov 2011, 15:39 pm
@bryce_in_oz(bryce_in_oz)-278: where’s ruggaworld that you’re always punting?
30 Nov 2011, 15:39 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-321: It will be a short lecture I assume…..
30 Nov 2011, 15:40 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-321:
hehe
dont you need to first get the ‘glory’ before you can show it off?
30 Nov 2011, 15:42 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-321:
will that be 1 lecture for every currie cup?
30 Nov 2011, 15:44 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-325:
30 Nov 2011, 15:50 pm
Lecture 1: History
The Transvaal Rugby Union, with its headquarters in Johannesburg, was formed in 1889 after delegates from different clubs in the region decided to form a united rugby union to look after the well-being of the clubs. Prominent clubs involved in the process were Pirates, Wanderers, Pretoria, Potchefstroom and Kaffrarians. The first elected president was Bill Taylor (Born 1858). Transvaal’s first match was against Griquas in Kimberley on 31 August 1889.
Interestingly enough, the original colours used by Transvaal was dark blue and white jerseys, blue shorts and blue-and-white socks. It is unsure when the union decided to switch over to a white jersey with a red hoop with black shorts and socks.There is also a school of thought that South African team Transvaal, now the Golden Lions Super 14 team, adopted the famous Kilmarnock strip of white top with red hoop as a Kilmarnock member, Alex Frew, captained them when they beat The British Isles touring team in 1903. These colours are still in use today. It is also from these colours that the teams’ nickname, “Rooibontes” came from. The Transvaal Rugby Union used to encompass a much bigger catchment area than it does currently. Provincial rugby unions that gained independence from Transvaal are Western Transvaal (currently the Leopards) in 1920, Northern Transvaal (currently the Blue Bulls) in 1938) and Eastern Transvaal (currently the Pumas) in 1948. Interestingly enough Robert Owen Loftus Versfeld, after which the stadium in Pretoria is named, was a lifetime member of the Transvaal Rugby Football Union. According to A Lions Tale – 120 years of the red and white, Versfeld died of a heart attack at Ellis Park in 1932 when he attended a match between Transvaal and the Free State.
The union has undergone several name changes in recent years – first changing its name to the Lions in 1993, the Gauteng Lions in 1997, before again changing to The Golden Lions Rugby Union (GLRU) in 1998. The GLRU competes in the yearly Currie Cup Competition under the name of The MTN Lions, the provincial tournament in South Africa. It also competes in the Vodacom Cup, a competition for provincial teams which takes place during the annual Super Rugby (previously Super 10, Super 12 and Super 14) competition in which franchise sides from South Africa, Australia and New Zealand compete. The GLRU serves as the main feeder union for the MTN Lions franchise in Super Rugby, which also encompass the Leopards and the Pumas, although very few of their players are selected. The MTN Golden Lions and Super Rugby franchise team, the MTN Lions, share the same home stadium, Ellis Park, located in the suburb of Doornfontein in Johannesburg.
30 Nov 2011, 15:51 pm
Pay attention. There will be questions at the end.
30 Nov 2011, 15:53 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-329: The reason that Loftus Versveld was a lifetime Lions Rugby Union member was that there wasn’t a NT rugby club at the time. That split later.
30 Nov 2011, 15:55 pm
@grant10(grant10)-306:
oh, question:
what position would/will kitshoff play?
30 Nov 2011, 15:56 pm
@grant10(grant10)-306:
i ask this because he’s an open-sider right?
so what position will he play in the stormers setup?
30 Nov 2011, 15:57 pm
Lecture 2: Financial Turmoil
In the 1980s the union ran into serious financial trouble, mostly as a result of redeveloping Ellis Park. Transvaal supporters nearly didn’t have a union to support anymore as at one stage the most likely outcome was that the union would disband. In 1984 the union had R37 million of debts to repay, which forced Volkskas Bank to carry the union for a period. This debt mainly came from the union redeveloping the old Ellis Park into a modern 80 000 seat stadium in 1980. The union started out with R1 million of its own money, and intended to raise another R12 million through the sales of suites and life memberships. However, due to the underperforming team, the union had a hard time to sell these ideas to businessmen and the intended revenue to fund the stadium never materialised.
In March 1984 Volkskas took over the management of Ellis Park. By August the union was told to repay debts of more than R40 million by 4 September. According to Louis Luyt in his autobiography, Walking Proud, the union was left with interest amounting to R20 000 per day. It was at this time that the then president Jannie le Roux was ousted by the clubs on 3 September 1984, and in his place came self-made millionaire Dr. Louis Luyt, a former provincial lock forward for the Orange Free State. Through the business acumen of Dr Luyt, the union was able to become financially stable once again. Dr Luyt saw an opportunity to use Ellis Park as a way for the union to cover its debt, and according to him in his autobiography, Walking Proud, used this asset as a means of renegotiating the unions’ debt with Volkskas Bank and the Johannesburg City Council. In order to refinance the debt the union would relinquish control of Ellis Park, and control of the stadium would be taken by a new company called Ellis Park Stadium Incorporated (EPSI) on which Volkskas would have 6 board members, the City Council 3 members and the Louis Luyt group 3 members. Thus the rugby union had no representation on the board. The rugby union would however be contractually obliged to play all future matches at the venue, and would have first right over the use of Ellis Park. However, 20% of all gate receipts generated would be paid over to EPSI. However, Volkskas was not fond of this idea, and eventually took complete control over the stadium as a new company called Ellis Park Stadium Pty Ltd. According to Luyt the union would now be allowed to keep 25% of its gate revenue plus R100 000 of the advertising revenue. Luyt also managed to negotiate a clause stipulating that the rugby union had first right of refusal should Volkskas decide to sell the stadium in the future.
In 1987 the bank decided to sell the stadium to a Mr Johan Claassen for R26.5 million, but with the union having first right of refusal, Luyt started working along with First National Bank (FNB) to buy the stadium back for the union. At the time FNB wanted to rename the stadium First National Stadium, although the City Council was against this as they wanted the stadium to retain the name of their former city councilman who provided the area for the stadium. This is in stark contrast when the stadium name was sold to Coca-Cola in 2008. Eventually FNB provided the union with the finance needed to take control of the stadium. Luyt reduced the capacity of the stadium from 80 000 to 60 000 by adding 88 suites behind the two goal posts. His rationale for this was that the general public preferred to sit on the sides of the field, thus these seats were deemed economically unviable. However, companies were satisfied to have any suite in the stadium. Thus even when losing 20 000 seats, the union was able to generate a bigger income from this “dead space” of the stadium. Even before construction on the suites started, they were fully subscribed. The cost of building the suites were R4 million, and the revenue of selling these were R25 million. Even though seating was reduced the union was able to show a constant revenue stream because of the suites. Eventually Luyt listed the stadium on the stock exchange, although this venture was unsuccessful. In spite of the unsuccessful stock exchange listing the union was able to repay all of its debt by 1993. Currently Ellis Park is known as Coca Cola Park, although as one of the FIFA World Cup 2010 venues, for the period of the world cup, it was known as Ellis Park again. The stadium, and surrounding swimming arena and indoor sports arena, is run by Ellis Park World of Sport Pty Ltd, in which the GLRU has a stake.
30 Nov 2011, 15:58 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-325: No, as I said it’s a 6-part course. 6 full lectures. Try to keep up.
30 Nov 2011, 15:59 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-326: There’s your glory: http://www.supersport.com/rugby/currie-cup/news/111029/Lions_are_the_2011_Currie_Cup_champions
Next question?
30 Nov 2011, 16:00 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-327: That kind of sarky comment will see you thrown out of my lecture room.
30 Nov 2011, 16:02 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-331: NT also didn’t have electricity, metal cutlery or the full alphabet until after the second world war.
30 Nov 2011, 16:02 pm
Lecture 3: The Golden Years
Even though the Lions are regarded as one of the most successful teams in South African rugby history, the union was for a long time regarded as the perennial underachievers. After winning the Currie Cup in 1972 for the sixth time, supporters had to wait a further 21 years for the trophy to return to Johannesburg. Even though the pain of not securing the Currie Cup was somewhat soothed by winning the Lion Cup (a now extinct knock out competition, similar to English Football’s F.A. Cup in 1986, 1987 and 1992, it was Currie Cup glory supporters were really craving.
The union did come close on a few occasions, but always seemed to fail at the final hurdle losing the Currie Cup Final in 1974, 1986, 1987, 1991 and 1992. Finally however, under the guidance of Kitch Christie as head coach and Francois Pienaar as captain, Transvaal was able to win the Currie Cup in 1993 with a 21-15 victory over Natal in Durban. Memorably, Uli Schmidt (hooker) scored the winning try after chasing down a kick. The union repeated their success in 1994 by beating the Orange Free State by 56-35 in Bloemfontein. This was however not the end of the unions success.
They also managed to win the 1993 Super 10 with a 20-17 win over Auckland from New Zealand in Johannesburg – thus making the union the first South African team to win a Super Rugby title. In 1995 Transvaal reached the final of the Super 10 again but lost to the Australian side Queensland. The union also managed to scalp the 1993 and 1994 M-Net night series, a pre-season warm up competition. It was also during the 1993 season that the team managed to go on an unbeaten run of 19 games (18 wins, 1 draw). The Lions won the Currie Cup again in 1999 when they beat the Sharks 32-9 in Durban, and were on the losing side in the 2002 and 2007 finals. They ended their 12 year trophy drought in 2011, beating The Sharks 42-16 in Johannesburg.
30 Nov 2011, 16:05 pm
Lecture 4: The Union Today (part 1)
As a result of South African sides being uncompetitive in the expanded Super 12 competition, South African Rugby decided to manage their 14 provincial unions as franchises, combining the unions for the Super 12 competition, before splitting up again to compete as 14 separate sides in the Currie Cup. The old way of using the Currie Cup as a qualifying competition for the Super 12 was thus scrapped. The GLRU was combined with the Free State Cheetahs and Griquas to form the Cats Super 12 franchise. Although home games were mostly played at Ellis Park, some games were also played in Bloemfontein at the Free State Stadium (formerly Springbok Park). This caused the franchise considerable administrative problems in forming a united identity between the three provincial teams and their supporters. Players were also reportedly unhappy about the travel arrangements with the members of the Cheetahs and Griquas often being away from their families for extended periods of time. As the Cats the franchise never really achieved the great heights it was expected to, considering that two of South Africa’s biggest teams were part of the franchise. The Cats did however have a good spell in 2000 and 2001 when under the guidance of former New Zealand coach Laurie Mains the union managed to reach the semi-finals of the Super 12, where they lost to the Brumbies and the Sharks respectively. Incidentally, as core of the franchise, the Lions won the 1999 Currie Cup, also under the guidance of Mains.
After the Super 12 was expanded in 2006 to become the Super 14, South African Rugby was awarded an additional franchise. Even though there was pressure from government to award the franchise to the Eastern Cape based Southern Spears (now the Southern Kings), the franchise was awarded to the Free State Cheetahs and Griquas thus ending their involvement with the Cats. The Cats were now made up of the Lions, the Leopards and the Pumas. The Johannesburg Super 14 franchise was still known as the Cats in 2006, but finally rebranded themselves as the Super 14 Lions in 2007. For sponsorship reasons the team is now known as the MTN Super 14 Lions.
Currently the union is in a rebuilding phase. In middle 2008 Prof. Jannie Fereirra was replaced by former Lions and Springbok lock Kevin de Klerk as president of the GLRU. Throughout the 2000s attendances at Ellis Park has been on the downslide, with the team’s performances following a similar course. With the rise of the Sharks, Blue Bulls and to a lesser extent Western Province, and the tendency of South Africans to play in Europe, the GLRU had difficulty in keeping their star players contracted. Some of the players who left the GLRU during the 2000s were: Andre Vos, Rassie Erasmus, Joe Gillingham, Andre Pretorius, Willie Wepener, Ethienne Reyneke, Thinus Delport, Schalk Brits, Wikus van Heerden, Gcobani Bobo, Conrad Jantjies, Gerhard Mostert, Anton van Zyl, Jaco Pretorius, Gerhard Vosloo, Joe van Niekerk, Wayne Julies, Ernst Joubert, Enrico Januarie, with players such as Rory Kockot being lost through the unions youth system. The union also lost the services of long serving Springbok Jaque Fourie in 2009 even though the player was still under contract. Fourie came through the Lions youth system, representing the union at school, u/19 and u/21 level. Fourie took his contract to arbitration after which was found that his contract was not legally binding on a technical point. This opened the door for Willem Alberts and Louis Ludik to join the Sharks for the 2010 season, even though they were also under contract with the GLRU.
30 Nov 2011, 16:06 pm
Lecture 5: The Union Today (part 2)
With the new President, Kevin de Klerk, came a new approach to the union, and by all accounts the union is being run as a more professional outfit. In 2009 Jake White’s Winning Ways was appointed to conduct an audit of the union, after which it was recommended that then coach Eugene Eloff be dismissed. This was duly done and Hans Coetzee took over control of the Xerox Lions. They subsequently lost their next match to the touring British and Irish Lions 74-10 in what was seen by many supporters to be a new low point in the history of the union. White’s audit was particularly severe on the physical conditioning of the players and the poor defence displayed by the union. The Xerox Lions finished sixth on the 2009 Currie Cup, losing 6 games by less than 7 points with physical conditioning and defence being a particular focus for their campaign. In November 2009 **** Muir, former Sharks head coach and current Springboks backline coach, was appointed Director of Rugby – a task encompassing looking after the unions rugby structures as well as taking control of the Auto and General Super 14 Lions as head coach. Coetzee and former Springbok lock, Johan Ackerman were appointed as his assistants.
Although the Lions have lost quite a few players throughout 2009, new players signed for 2010 include Tonderai Chavangha (Springbok wing), Carlos Spencer (All Black Flyhalf), Wikus van Heerden (Springbok flanker), Deon van Rensburg (centre), Marius Delport (utility back), JP Joubert (scrumhalf), Jonathan Mokuena and Burton Francis (Flyhalf).
The Lions currently average crowds of 23,000 in Super rugby games and 15,000 in the Currie Cup Competition. Underperformance and poor results has accounted for smaller attendances at Lions games in recent years. Most of the Lions supporter base is concentrated within Johannesburg in the province of Gauteng. They also have considerable support in the northern Free State and Highveld region of the Mpumulanga Province.
30 Nov 2011, 16:07 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-336:
i see the glory… the glory is good…
30 Nov 2011, 16:08 pm
@grant10(grant10)-310: I was a BIG fan of him in 2010. I felt we lost some of our sharpness when he got injured. We need his attacking powess.
30 Nov 2011, 16:10 pm
Lecture 6: 2011
The MTN Golden Lions recalled the glory days of the 1990s as they peaked in the Absa Currie Cup final and hammered the Sharks 42-16 (halftime 19-6) at Coca-Cola Park in Johannesburg on Saturday.
It was a dream match for the Lions as they were clinical, enormously passionate and almost everything they tried came off. The result was the most one-sided final since 1980 when Northern Transvaal beat Western Province 39-9 in Pretoria.
The Sharks were put to the sword and could score just one try, by flank Willem Alberts, and even then it should never have been allowed, with assistant referee Christie du Preez missing a blatant knock-on by the Springbok.
The Lions scored three tries and were ruthless in taking points when they were on offer, flyhalf Elton Jantjies proving once again that he is one of the brightest talents in South African rugby as he succeeded with all eight of his kicks at goal – five penalties, three conversions and a drop goal for good measure.
Fullback Jaco Taute also slotted one of the biggest kicks ever seen at Coca-Cola/Ellis Park with a monstrous 57-metre effort.
It was the team ethos of the Lions that brought them to a home final and it was the same quality that saw them to a resounding victory.
It was obvious which team had the greater hunger right from the outset as the Sharks tried to run the kick-off out of their own 22 and loosehead prop CJ van der Linde raced across to scrag wing Odwa Ndungane into touch.
The first of a string of penalties the Sharks conceded then came when captain Keegan Daniel set the tone for a performance of little discipline when he pulled former team-mate Michael Rhodes down at the lineout. Jantjies stepped up and calmly kicked the angled penalty, the Lions leading 3-0 from the second minute, and for the rest of the match.
The most extraordinary kick of the game came three minutes later as the stealing skills of flank Derick Minnie and the big boot of Taute combined to put the Lions 6-0 ahead.
The Lions were as efficient and cohesive as usual at the breakdowns, where the Sharks struggled under the keen eye of referee Mark Lawrence, but the visitors were on the board in the 11th minute as the Lions did infringe and flyhalf Freddie Michalak kicked the penalty (6-3).
The Sharks were virtual tourists however for the next 15 minutes as the Lions stretched their lead to 19-3.
The Sharks, faced with the determined running of the Lions forwards, clung on in the tackle and Jantjies kicked a 13th-minute penalty.
There was a chance for the Sharks to score, but the Lions defence was outstanding and lock Franco van der Merwe stole a crucial lineout five metres from the tryline.
A Michalak drop goal was also deflected away by the post and the frustrated Sharks were then penalised twice for having their hands in the ruck. Jantjies was flattened by eighthman Ryan Kankowski in the build-up, but the 21-year-old stepped up and curled the tricky penalty over.
The Lions’ opening try was thanks to a top-class break from outside centre Doppies la Grange, who had a brilliant game.
A dummy caused opposite number Stefan Terblanche to drift across and La Grange then cut back inside through a widening gap before sending wing Michael Killian off on a glorious run to the tryline.
There were two dents to the Lions’ cause just before halftime, with Michalak kicking another penalty and Van der Linde being yellow-carded as the officials homed in rather harshly on an over-exuberant clean-out of Daniel at the ruck.
But the Lions are a well-trained side whose commitment and organisation in defence is outstanding and the Sharks could not score any points while the Lions’ only starting current Springbok was off the field.
Michalak did kick a penalty, after the Sharks had disrupted a lineout, early in the second half to close the gap to 10 points, but the visitors then dropped the restart to put the Lions straight back on attack, allowing Jantjies to slot a drop goal between the uprights.
In the 51st minute, Saru’s decision not to appoint top referees to run touch came back to haunt them as the Sharks scored a try thanks to an appalling blunder by Du Preez.
Hooker Bismarck du Plessis made headway down the left touchline, Daniel was up to support at pace, and he then passed the ball to Alberts, who clearly dropped the ball, but regathered and stormed over the line as the Lions stopped playing.
Referee Lawrence sensed something was wrong and asked Du Preez whether there had been a knock-on, but the assistant referee was oblivious to the mistake.
Michalak’s conversion closed the gap to 22-16 and the Lions could have allowed what seemed a potential turning point to rattle them.
Instead it inspired them and they responded in ferocious fashion.
Hard, straight running by La Grange took the Lions into the Sharks’ 22, Jantjies then stepped inside the defence and prop Pat Cilliers, who played all his early rugby in KZN, powered through Jean Deysel and Jannie du Plessis to score in the shadow of the poles.
Two more Jantjies penalties put the Lions 35-16 ahead after 65 minutes, and the Sharks then saw their dominant scrum begin to unravel.
Their race was run and the Lions put the victory to bed with a move coach John Mitchell would have been dreaming about.
Scrumhalf Michael Bondesio, who has proven such an effective link between forwards and backs for the Lions, exchanged pop passes with Van der Merwe close to a ruck.
He then found wing Michael Killian, who has a splendid habit of cutting the line at pace, the Eastern Province product bursting straight through the middle and then finding Taute, who showed he has the pace to go with his big boot as he scored in the corner.
It has taken intensive labour by the Lions management, coaching staff and players to turn things around after a miserable last few years, but now they have landed the biggest prize in South African rugby.
And it is well-deserved too. While a player like Van der Linde had an enormous game in the tight-loose, it is the development of new stars like Van der Merwe, Minnie, captain Joshua Strauss, Jantjies and Taute that is most pleasing.
La Grange, too, has been at the Lions through the tough years and is clearly revelling in the new-found confidence all around him.
There has been a tremendous air of expectation around Coca-Cola Park in recent weeks, and in Mitchell the Lions have found the inspirational mentor they have been searching for for so long.
SCORERS
Lions – Tries: Michael Killian, Patric Cilliers, Jaco Taute. Conversions: Elton Jantjies(3). Penalties: Jantjies (5), Jaco Taute. Drop goal: Jantjies.
Sharks – Try: Willem Alberts. Conversion:Frederic Michalak. Penalties: Michalak (3).
30 Nov 2011, 16:11 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-317: Stalingrad was street fighting.
Malta was the most bombed place on earth: more bombs fell on Malta per sq km than any other place on earth during WW2. Fact.
30 Nov 2011, 16:11 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-336:
80 000 seater katters? ffukken hell.. thats a lot of people!
how many people is 80 000 people? sjoe!
must be a lot of people…
@>^..^< katman(katman)-338:
30 Nov 2011, 16:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-314: Yes.
30 Nov 2011, 16:14 pm
I see extraball is back.
30 Nov 2011, 16:15 pm
katman asseblief man ons is al klaar moeg gewerk
Nou moet ons nog al jou strond lees.
30 Nov 2011, 16:16 pm
Where is the German flag on this site!
Vok moet ek nog vra!
30 Nov 2011, 16:19 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-348:
That’s Capo.
His degree of illiteracy is hard to disguise.
@>^..^< katman(katman)-339:
I was expecting to learn about David Bowie.
the Golden Years lecture seems shorter than Paris Hilton’s hemline.
No?
30 Nov 2011, 16:24 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-351: I kept it tight because the back two rows were nodding off.
Would you like the full version?
30 Nov 2011, 16:25 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-345: You sure? More than Dresden… Or Hamburg… ?
We all know the Land of Hope and Glory revisionist view of WW2 but somewhere in between is the real truth…
Also many Stukas on the Eastern Front chap.
30 Nov 2011, 16:30 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-332: opensider…..only him and Fenton wells really suited there imo….I also rate Carr
30 Nov 2011, 16:35 pm
dolphins getting on there moer at newlands
30 Nov 2011, 16:37 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-352: And if you get the answers right, what do you get? One cup of curry? A tin of Pamper? Two free GLRU shares? (Worth nothing, in fact you’d probably owe them money…) or a BALions degree?
30 Nov 2011, 16:39 pm
@grant10(grant10)-354:
but you already have a world class open-sider playing in the stormers setup
hows that gonna work? its basic maths guy, square blocks and round holes?..
30 Nov 2011, 16:41 pm
@grant10(grant10)-355:
Weird to see Boucher and Steyn in blue.
This Cobra team is on paper probably the strongest SA provincial/regional team since readmission to international cricket.
30 Nov 2011, 16:42 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-357: clearly you take pleasure in seeing grant blow his gasket
30 Nov 2011, 16:45 pm
By the way, congrats Mark Keohane and Co. Pleased you “cleaned up” at the awards. You normally leave the dirt for others to absorb…
30 Nov 2011, 16:48 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-358: no don’t think so, did you see the Warriors last year or a year back?
Boucher, Ntini, Kallis, Prince, Botha, Tsotsobe, Peterson, Theron, Jacobs, Parnell.
30 Nov 2011, 16:50 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-357: @au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-357: who?????
Luke has left remember
30 Nov 2011, 16:52 pm
@Finfan(Finfan)-356: You kids of today just want, want, want…
30 Nov 2011, 16:54 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-359:
…just trying to get on the same page.
who moi? never
there’s so many rugby whisperers and ‘field of dreamers’ around these days…
i just want to be able to look back one day and say, hand on heart honest to gawd…i knew why the stormers were destined to win that season…
30 Nov 2011, 16:55 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-363:
Careful
He’s a big kid
Plays No 2
30 Nov 2011, 16:56 pm
@grant10(grant10)-362:
30 Nov 2011, 16:57 pm
@grant10(grant10)-362: he means schalk…
30 Nov 2011, 16:59 pm
i wonder what happend to that grootbek doos francois9743?
now that was a weirdo of note.
30 Nov 2011, 16:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-353: It’s historical fact for which Malta was awarded the George Cross.
Why not google before questioning?
30 Nov 2011, 17:00 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-361:
They were good indeed.
If one compares:
Boucher, Kallis and Peterson cancel each other out.
Smith, Dale Steyn, Duminy, Ontong, Philander, Langeveldt, etc might just be a tiny bit better than the names you mentioned imo. I do not think Herschel is even playing today.
The combination of Kallis and Steyn in one team at this level is quite frightening.
Dolphins might still beat them though- anything is possible in this game.
30 Nov 2011, 17:01 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-367:
silly grant does’nt know his world class open-siders.
30 Nov 2011, 17:09 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-370: not to shabby
30 Nov 2011, 17:13 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-369: Yes, they did get awarded a George Cross and Malta was bombed… I don’t need to google that – I know it already. But so were other countries and cities bombed even more heavily than Malta… I suggest that you may need to Google that – a naive acceptance of the “victor’s” version of history may blind someone to the real facts…. Just suggesting…
30 Nov 2011, 17:15 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-365: Captain of the Fat Boys Club.
30 Nov 2011, 17:19 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-370:
Until that “potent” side come up against the South Australian Redbacks, or whatever they are called, with the might of Peter Siddle, Nathon Lyons, Cameron white, Grandad Warne and the rest of their Youth Academy.
They will choke and lose…
30 Nov 2011, 17:24 pm
@grant10(grant10)-355: Where’s Herschelle Gibbs when you want to lay on a bit of a fix and help the Dolphins out a little bit…
30 Nov 2011, 17:26 pm
@Bod(bod)-375:
Yeah, but that is Australia- I won’t underestimate them in any sport unless maybe jukskei or toutrek (not so sure about toutrek though).
I mean who would have thought that “they” can even win the Tour de France?
30 Nov 2011, 17:29 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-376:
He is injured- apparently hurt his hand when collecting money at the local “tattersalls”.
30 Nov 2011, 17:30 pm
Interesting thread this…. from bashing Poppas wife to a Nazi lecture to Maltan history to a jodering boring lecture in Transvaal Rugby by some desperate dan
And Guntertjie hasnt missed a beat of it…
30 Nov 2011, 17:31 pm
@grant10(grant10)-309: ‘my sister is a yank…. we tend to fight a bit’
She is a Smit fan?
Regarding the US, the biggest European ancestral group present there is German. Babe Ruth, Sandra Bullock, Eisenhower etc. all of German extraction.
30 Nov 2011, 17:33 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-378: Okay, so Dolphins got no chance then… Unless there a couple of other chaps keen on brown paper bags…
30 Nov 2011, 17:33 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-377:
“They” claim him to be theirs, but he left Aussie 20 years ago to live in Italy. He speaks more Italian than English now and I think if he was a lesser gentleman he would have told them to vlieg in their moer long time ago.
30 Nov 2011, 17:37 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-314: not sure about that, Churchill had planned anthrax bombing with the intention of wiping out the German population, dude was going all out if it came to it
30 Nov 2011, 17:38 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-323: Huzzit Doll !!!
sorry, only just came back onto keo now, been chatting for ages on fb, as for for your poster/picture 
twit.
30 Nov 2011, 17:46 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-380: I could handle a bit of Bullock…
30 Nov 2011, 17:58 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-383: No you don’t really understand do you… If the Germans weren’t fighting on the Eastern Front not many Allied bombers would have even got close to France, never mind Germany… No Operation Barbarossa, no Western front…
Churchill did enough madness one his lonesome… Ordered the bombing of Dresden, with no military targets, just to try and impress Stalin in negotiations in 1945…. 700 000 phosphorus bombs dropped on a city of 1.2 mill people… There is no agreement on how many actually died because people actually melted from the flames – but the conservative estimate was 250 000 people dying in 14hrs of bombing – more than Nagasaki and Hiroshima combined.
This War Crime inspired Slaughterhouse 5 by Vonnegut who as POW at the time was part of the clean up after the fact…
30 Nov 2011, 18:01 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-386: A great irony of Dresden is that in the Nuremburg trials, photos of melted civilian victims of the Allied carpet bombing were used as evidence of Nazi atrocities against concentration camp inmates…. Oops.
30 Nov 2011, 18:08 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-380: Yup, Germans everywhere… Currently the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha are the Rulers of the UK too…along with some old Greek codger…
30 Nov 2011, 18:09 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-373: HG, Malta got bombed more heavily per *square km* than any other place. That is an indisputable fact. Hence why I mention googling because that would have confirmed it for you instead of questioning what is unquestionable.
6700 tons of bombs were dropped on the place in just a couple of weeks, never mind the rest of the extremely intensive bombing campaign.
30 Nov 2011, 18:15 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-389: Chap, in one German city alone, 700 000 bombs were dropped in less than 24hours… 1 bomb for every 2 inhabitants…
I don’t question that Malta was bombed heavily, however I do question that it was the heaviest bombed… The fact that it was awarded a George Cross does not blind me to this.
30 Nov 2011, 18:17 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-390: Please read the full sentences, HG. Most heavily bombed *per square mile*.
30 Nov 2011, 18:22 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-390: You’re talking about Dresden. That number of bombs equated to 3300 tons. My contrast, 6728 tons was dropped on Malta alone in April 1942.
30 Nov 2011, 18:23 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-390: So again, please please research when questioning what is an indisputable historical fact.
30 Nov 2011, 18:30 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-391: Yes, even most heavily bombed “per square mile”… I still doubt Malta was most heavily bombed by whatever metric you want to add afterwards… whether by tonnes of metal, by density or by number of bombs, simply put, there are other places without a George Cross and not part of British territory that were more heavily bombed per whatever you want…
Another place that was fubar’ed was Koblenz… 23000 dwellings… 22000 destroyed. Bombs are still regularly found there today.
Nope… You can kid yourself as much as you want, you can’t kid me with any propaganda.
30 Nov 2011, 18:39 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-392: You must be reading a Mickey Mouse history book…
In one raid on Dresden alone, 1,478 tons of high explosive and 1,182 tons of incendiary bombs were dropped… There were 7 further raids…
Fark me, I hope you aren’t a Historian or researcher… Mickey wouldn’t be proud.
30 Nov 2011, 18:42 pm
War. What is it good for.
Absolutely nothing.
30 Nov 2011, 18:45 pm
Pops deserves everything he gets.
Slagging us off like a twit.
And I’m sick of that “japie” word.
30 Nov 2011, 18:45 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-394: HG, with all due respect, you can doubt however much you want but it doesn’t change historical fact.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-395: 4 raids between the 13 and 15 Feb 1945. Total 3900 tons (not 3300 I wrote earlier).
BA in History, BA in Archaeology, BA (Honours) in Archaeology, MA in Archaeology, current Ph.D. candidate in Archaeology, written an unpublished book on WW2, etc etc. Degrees don’t matter in this. What matters is that you are arguing against historical fact, without doing your comparative research. I’m obviously not getting through to you so I’ll drop this from my side and go back to teasing you about your Sharkies’ Turnstil centers
30 Nov 2011, 18:47 pm
Well done to Keo.co.za
Now Mr Keohane, please become the man you were before JW roped you in and made you his puppet.
Also, don’t allow yourself to be used by any of the contenders for the Bok coaching job so that you don’t have any expectations to be part of the management team as media spokesperson. That way you can stay objective in your criticism when he ***** up while you can also give credit when/where it’s due.
Oh yes, what about an article thanking the bloggers for the award because I can’t believe you received it for your rugby stories in 2011.
30 Nov 2011, 18:53 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-398: Obviously your pieces of paper aren’t helping you here…
So, what was the total tonnage dropped on Malta?
And please no Mickey Mouse history books, backed up by any number of Donald Duck Degrees…
30 Nov 2011, 18:53 pm
Make love…not war.
30 Nov 2011, 19:00 pm
Well done to keo and all the fellow bloggers out there.
The majority are entertaining and enlightening. Others we just have to suffer. But that’s how we roll.
30 Nov 2011, 19:01 pm
@nama1(nama1)-401:
Steek… maar moenie doodsteek nie.
30 Nov 2011, 19:03 pm
WHY ISN’T MY MAN CHRIS GAYLE PLAYING FOR DOLPHINS WHY IS HE PLAYING ZIMBO CRICKET IS THIS A JAMAICAN WHITE THING
FaRk sOOrry CAPS
30 Nov 2011, 19:07 pm
Where am I supposed to get my cricket eye candy
Fark sorry no caps
30 Nov 2011, 19:08 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-404:
From my recollection, he only got signed up for the Twenty over stuff which only stats next year.
30 Nov 2011, 19:09 pm
Please stop talking about bombing the Maltese.
You are going to upset Capo.
In other news I see keo is holding a large cheque in the picture at the top of the page.
The people shall share.
30 Nov 2011, 19:12 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-403:
Net soos jy daar se.
30 Nov 2011, 19:14 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-404: he is not playing 50 over cricket …. he will only play 20 over cricket, that is early next year.
Get it?
30 Nov 2011, 19:16 pm
AaaaaaaaaarrrRrrrrrRGgggghhhhh!
30 Nov 2011, 19:16 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-386: I actually initally mis-read tenet of your post. I agree, that Germany taking on Russia was one of central factors in their loss. As to how things would have went were had they not invaded, I don’t really know enough about their respective strengths at the time. I actually did A-Level on some this stuff and was taught that the entry of the US into the war was the single-most important factor in victory but I personally lean toward it being a combination of factors. Churchill had all sorts of crazy (and ruthless) plans though, I’m confident he would not have let things go quietly.
30 Nov 2011, 19:16 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-407:
You can now stop wondering where your keo dollars went to.
keo is set to do some retail therapy.
And I don’t think he’s the type to give anyone ice in winter.
30 Nov 2011, 19:17 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-400: 16000 tons of bombs dropped on 124 sq miles, most of it on Grand Harbour and the capital city Valetta. Malta is divided between the islands of Malta and Gozo; the island of Malta is 95 sq miles. You could have got these figures very very easily bud instead of going on nothing but your gut hunches and presenting no facts against established fact.
Try doing your own research – YOU are the one claiming mainstream accepted fact is wrong and the onus is on you to do your comparative studies. Otherwise anything you say on this is as leaky as Turnstile and Oupa’s defense.
Whether you like it or not, your gut plays no part in this. Malta was the most heavily bombed place in WW2 per square mile *shrugs*
As I said, I am not continuing this.
30 Nov 2011, 19:18 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-410: guppy cricket players are as kuk as their sharkievarkie compatriots.
Why I’m I watching this krap.
30 Nov 2011, 19:18 pm
On a lighter note, agreed Gunther.
The people shall toyi toyi outside Highbury Safika.
I will be protesting that tie.
30 Nov 2011, 19:20 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-411:
You’re quite right. Japan lost the war for Germany. The US Congress wasn’t prepared to get involved until then, other than to turn a blind eye to the reality of the Lend/Lease plan.
30 Nov 2011, 19:22 pm
Wait Roar.
The game is but young.
30 Nov 2011, 19:24 pm
Wow.
This thread should be called “Maltese Poodle”.
Because capo really fucked it.
30 Nov 2011, 19:24 pm
Bloody corrupt Keohane.
Misappropriation of the people’s zar.
30 Nov 2011, 19:25 pm
@David(David)-416:
Oh yes, as HG said, Hitlers error was attacking Russia. That also curtailed his plan to invade Britain.
30 Nov 2011, 19:25 pm
How much is on that cheque.
30 Nov 2011, 19:27 pm
I’ll rather watch the Currie cup final …… again ……………………. for the 31st time.
RL
out.
30 Nov 2011, 19:27 pm
Jinne
Biff is injured again due to too much post wedding tantric.
30 Nov 2011, 19:29 pm
The man’s muscles are stiff.
30 Nov 2011, 19:34 pm
Something I said?
30 Nov 2011, 19:41 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-413: No, no Mikey… No propaganda porkies now…
Let this humble janitor help out our “eminent historian”:
Malta is 316 km sqr and 16000 tons of bombs as you say equates to 50 tons/km sqr.
Now lets see:
Berlin @ 68000 tons…891 km sqr = 76 tons/km sqr
Essen @ 38000 tons…210 km sqr = 180 tons/km sqr
Munich @ 19300 tons…310 km sqr = 62 tons/km sqr
Cologne @ 45000 tons…405 km sqr = 111 tons/km sqr
So your little propaganda history story of Malta being the most bombed place in WW2 by any metric is just that… a propaganda story…
This George Cross fairy tale….All exposed by little janitor me
30 Nov 2011, 19:45 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-426: Now Mikey, I can do a conversion to per square miles if you are struggling… BA’s, MA’s have been known to struggle with those horrible number thingies….
30 Nov 2011, 19:45 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-424:
:lol;
Thought he had enough practice before walking down the aisle.
30 Nov 2011, 19:48 pm
I still stand to my point: every nation has its share of sin.
30 Nov 2011, 19:49 pm
Biff got shamrocked!
30 Nov 2011, 19:49 pm
Naaa.
Post wedding is serious intertwining contortionista!
30 Nov 2011, 19:53 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011(RL)-422:
Enjoy…it won’t happen again for the next…. ag, for the next many years to come.
30 Nov 2011, 19:54 pm
Like two snakes.
30 Nov 2011, 19:57 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-411: Yes, you were taught History by the victors… How many of your History books were in Russian though – because they also won and also took a slice of Germany…?
There were more German dead on the Eastern Front than on all other fronts put together…
30 Nov 2011, 19:59 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-433: Thats hot, keep talking Dawny
30 Nov 2011, 20:00 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-429:
True that.
I guess this is one of the situations where you want to say “mine/our’s is smaller than yours.”
@Dawn(Dawn)-431:
Biff doesn’t look as if he is good in gymnastics.
30 Nov 2011, 20:08 pm
You be surprised.
Agile love handles, he has.
30 Nov 2011, 20:08 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-434: England victors? They give France a lot of grieve for their capitulation taking the brunt of the German attack, but they were just as helpless and lucky Hitler made some shocking calls in the war….
30 Nov 2011, 20:10 pm
It’s not gymnastics!
Think slow sliding like two snakes!!
Jinne have you boys no imagination.
I will write a book.
Just a few pages so you can all read it quick.
30 Nov 2011, 20:16 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-438: My point was that if Jerry and Ivan didn’t slug it out then Europe and UK would all be speaking German and ruled by a German Chancellor….
Fark, hold on… Europe is ruled by a German Chancellor and Call Me Dave kowtows to Angie right now…
So War, after all, was pointless in the end… Germany in charge
30 Nov 2011, 20:17 pm
Dawnie seeing you are still floating around here and I have not taken the time to read past post 150 please pass this on to Poppa
POPPA, JOU MA SE E-POS!!!!!!
Gongrats in order to the gentlemen who runs this joint.
Well done guys. Next cold one is on you.
30 Nov 2011, 20:17 pm
Wow, Smith’s wife is quite the looker 0_0
No wonder his crickets sucks these days, he keeps his best form for the budwa
30 Nov 2011, 20:19 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-439: What’s going to be the title?
How about “Prawn Legacy” for starters?
30 Nov 2011, 20:19 pm
Magtag Jackman is so BOOOOORRRInG
Not Hugh, Robin.
30 Nov 2011, 20:19 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-438: hey **** you, a win is a win
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-434:
I had an interesting debate about this with a pro-Soviet Turkmenistani some years back, I of course took the stance I had been taught whereas he extoled the Stalin’s inner belief in not surrendering despite the Nazis being 20 mins from the Kremlin won the war.
30 Nov 2011, 20:21 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-440: Had Germany won, would Adolf have stopped at Europe? doubtful, I’d imagine he would have come a cropper somewhere down the line with his expansionist ambition.
30 Nov 2011, 20:23 pm
HG you prize twat.
When you gonna drop that it is so twenty years ago.
Kwagga no sweat, almost time for pops to re-emerge from thw cesspit.
30 Nov 2011, 20:24 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-438: Talking about the French, here is a Robin William clip about the French… Hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc78yPv_ztM
30 Nov 2011, 20:26 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-447: or Prawn Ultimatum… or the Prawn Identity…
30 Nov 2011, 20:29 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-447: True……when the vaseline dries up one has to find something else to do I guess……..
30 Nov 2011, 20:29 pm
Yawn
30 Nov 2011, 20:29 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-446: Lebensraum… Naah, I think they would have been satisfied with France… After invading the UK and experiencing Essex, Liverpool and Pikeys they probably would have packed up and left
30 Nov 2011, 20:30 pm
not surprised you japies know all about ze germans…
aryan bloodlines and all that..
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-441: pravedan drugi nijem neanderthal sa ne više od dva cent za mozak
30 Nov 2011, 20:31 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-453: Ja jou nai ook
30 Nov 2011, 20:31 pm
Aha!
It’s back!
30 Nov 2011, 20:32 pm
There’s also
Prawn Sanction or the Prawn Betrayal…
Great material to write a book…
30 Nov 2011, 20:32 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-454: karati od krvavost
30 Nov 2011, 20:34 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-457: Skiet uit die heup uit snotsak….
30 Nov 2011, 20:34 pm
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-446: Well England were definitely on the right side of things, and lets just be glad Germany win.
An interesting quote :
“Give me 20 divisions of American soldiers and I will breach Europe. Give me 15 consisting of Englishmen, and I will advance to the borders of Berlin. Give me two divisions of those marvelous fighting Boers and I will remove Germany from the face of the earth.” – Field Marshal Bernard L. Montgomery, Commander of the Allled forces during WWII.
30 Nov 2011, 20:34 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-459: LOL
30 Nov 2011, 20:35 pm
Why do you insist on insulting me.
It’s so juvenile!
Grow up man asseblief kanalla por favor!
Call yourself a man?
You see anyone else doing it here?
Beggars belief!
30 Nov 2011, 20:36 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-459: Ermmm meant to say…”Germany did NOT win..”
30 Nov 2011, 20:36 pm
Spank me….
Please?
30 Nov 2011, 20:37 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-458: sy al Double Afrikaans vir my…
30 Nov 2011, 20:38 pm
Oh weLl if it helps you get your rocks off, go ahead.
I’m gonna sit back with a whiskey and enjoy pops and kwagga.
30 Nov 2011, 20:39 pm
SAB Media Awards
The full breakdown of last night’s awards:
NEW MEDIA:
Ø SAB Sports Web Contributor of the Year: Ben Karpinski (thebounce.co.za)
Ø SAB Sports Blog of the Year: Mark Keohane (KEO.co.za)
Ø SAB Sports Media Award 2011 for NEW MEDIA:
o 2nd Runner-up: Johan Coetzee (Supersport.com)
o 1st Runner-up: Ben Karpinski (thebounce.co.za)
o Winner of the SAB Sports Media Award 2011 for NEW MEDIA:
§ Mark Keohane (KEO.co.za)
PRINT:
Ø SAB Sports Column of the Year:
§ Mark Keohane (Business Day Sports Monthly)
Ø SAB Sports Feature of the Year:
§ Angus Powers (Sports Illustrated)
Ø SAB Sports Media Award 2011 for PRINT:
§ 2nd Runner-up: Mark Keohane (Business Day Sports Monthly)
§ 1st Runner-up: Gary Lemke (Business Day Sports Monthly)
o Winner of the SAB Sports Media Award 2011 for PRINT:
§ Angus Powers (Sports Illustrated)
PHOTOGRAPHY:
Ø SAB Sports Action Shot of the Year:
o Winner of the SAB Sports Action Shot of the Year:
§ Anne Laing
Ø SAB Sports Moment of the Year:
o Winner of the SAB Sports Moment of the Year:
§ Herman Verwey (Beeld)
Ø SAB Sports Media Award 2011 for PHOTOGRAPHY:
o 2nd Runner-up: Herman Verwey (City Press)
o 1st Runner-up: Adrian de Kock
Ø Winner of the SAB Sports Media Award 2011 for PHOTOGRAPHY:
§ Anne Laing
RADIO:
Ø SAB Sports Commentator of the Year – Radio
o Thabo Kofa (Lesedi FM)
Ø SAB Sports Presenter of the Year – Radio:
o Johnny Davids (RSG)
Ø SAB Sports Media Award 2011 for RADIO:
o 2nd Runner-up: Johnny Davids (RSG)
o 1st Runner-up: Natalie Germanos (Radio 2000)
o Winner of the SAB Sports Media Awards 2011 for RADIO:
§ Thabo Kofa (Lesedi FM)
TELEVISION:
Ø SAB Sports Reporter of the Year – Television:
o Ronald Masinda (E.TV)
Ø SAB Sports Commentator of the Year – Television
o Arnold Rankoko (Supersport)
Ø SAB Sports Presenter of the Year – Television:
o Robert Marawa (Supersport)
Ø SAB Sports Producer of the Year – Television:
o Richard Parker (Supersport)
Ø SAB Sports Media Award for TELEVISION:
§ Joint-2nd Runners-up: Derek Alberts & Mpumelelo Mbangwa (Supersport)
§ 1st Runner-up: Arnold Rankoko (Supersport)
o Winner of the 2011 SAB Sports Media Award for Television:
§ Robert Marawa (SUPERSPORT)
SAB Sports Media Hall of Fame:
Ø This award goes to that member or members of the sporting media community who have constantly and consistently delivered a high standard of work throughout their career and whose work laid the foundations for those that followed them.
Ø 2011 SAB Sports Media Hall of Fame Inductees are:
o Radio Commentator: Peter Bacela
o Sports Writer and Sports Editor: Julian Kearns
Yeah Mark, you cleaned up alright.
30 Nov 2011, 20:39 pm
And then finally…
The Prawn Objective and Prawn Dominion…
Will be truly an excellent series…
Maybe some movies too…
30 Nov 2011, 20:39 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-448: Yip have seen this…hilarious stuff
30 Nov 2011, 20:43 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-465: You will “enjoy” Pooper? Fark me, thats like someone saying they enjoy scat… Oh well, some people do…
30 Nov 2011, 20:45 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-465: Enjoy the Whizza Dawn. Not prepared to waste my time on kaksak. Like talking to my Scotties…….Koppies draai maar die fok weet wat daar bo aangaan
30 Nov 2011, 20:45 pm
Whateverrrrrr
30 Nov 2011, 20:45 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-439:
“Think slow sliding like two snakes!!”
Mmmmm… tell me more!!!
30 Nov 2011, 20:46 pm
I cant remember the last time I read a post by Poops. When I see the heading of a post with his Nic I just scroll by. I do that for a few posters on here, keeps me sane and save me time.
30 Nov 2011, 20:47 pm
Dawn, whatever the title of your book I’ll buy a copy
Can I get a signed copy please!
30 Nov 2011, 20:48 pm
HG you obviously not getting the budwa goods
Banshee shut the gate?
30 Nov 2011, 20:49 pm
I can tell you one thing Keo, the site may have won the SA sports blog award, but sure will not get any awards for modern technology or innovation.
The IPad app still SUCKS!
30 Nov 2011, 20:50 pm
Jinne nou praat jy kwagga.
I love Scotties! The dogs and the guys!
30 Nov 2011, 20:50 pm
Western Province have a kickass cricket side.
And they’re kicking Natal @ss something horrible.
Better not get too ahead of things.
Still a final to be played.
Go Cobras.
30 Nov 2011, 20:50 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-470: shame you already have huh? lmao…
30 Nov 2011, 20:51 pm
Why is poppa69 posting in Hungarian?
30 Nov 2011, 20:53 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-479: I see even by winning the RWC, it still has not altered your train damaged personality
30 Nov 2011, 20:54 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-469:
What’s wrong with you HG? Why do you keep on attacking dawn?
Rather indulge us in another one of the many things that you are an expert on.
- rugby
- language (with specific reference to isiZulu and isiXhosa)
- the world economy
- NZ culture
- poetry
- music
- WWii
- janitorship
That can’t be all. Truly not for a genius like you.
30 Nov 2011, 20:55 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-475: Lol, Banshee working far away… HG in Old England, Banshee in New England…
30 Nov 2011, 20:56 pm
Keohane will be promoting my book.
Copious book signings will be arranged.
30 Nov 2011, 20:56 pm
@JL1(JL1)-481: what, like it changed yours at the time? puh-lease, youve only found a little humility since your bokkes were manshamed by the convicts…
could there be a lesson for all of you there? nah, doubt it…
well guess what, Ive got four years to celebrate and remind you all of it..
so enjoy..
30 Nov 2011, 20:56 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-479: What!!! You speak English!!!! Well fark me.
@Dawn(Dawn)-477: Klein ysters!!! Take no sh it from nothing or nobody.
30 Nov 2011, 20:57 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-480: He’s trying to be a clever little Maori…
30 Nov 2011, 20:57 pm
Magtag the cricket is finished!
30 Nov 2011, 21:00 pm
@nama1(nama1)-466:
SAB Sports Media Hall of Shame inductees:
Darren Scott and Peter Davies
30 Nov 2011, 21:00 pm
Gotta run.
Have a good evening all……Hey Poppa…………..jy weet mos……..
30 Nov 2011, 21:01 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-485: What, celebrate the rigged cup?whatever
30 Nov 2011, 21:02 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-490: see ya Kwagge, still wasting time on me huh? awwww how sweet…
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-487: well, obviously I could be real clever and tell you all that it isnt actually Hungarian, but Im sure you knew that right?
30 Nov 2011, 21:03 pm
@JL1(JL1)-491: the rigged cup?
nothing like swallowing a conspiracy to alleviate ones hurt..
great stuff.. love it..
30 Nov 2011, 21:05 pm
wtf these so called academic schmucks arguing about.. who dropped more tonnes of sulfuric bombs than who on whom? who murdered more people per capita in the shortest span of time than who? who has the meanest most depraved most barbaric streak of inhumane warmongering nature than who?
Is this what so called academics pride themselves in pretending to be knowing… which set of historic files of damning information is more pertinent than who’s ?
shows just how well read and well versed in the arts of useless information these so called academics who equate misinformation with inconsequential meaningless knowledge are.
30 Nov 2011, 21:05 pm
Cheers everyone
To keohane’s kuk necktie
Down the hatch
30 Nov 2011, 21:07 pm
Skop is here
Nou is dit aan
30 Nov 2011, 21:07 pm
@nama1(nama1)-482: Nope, this janitor aint a genius by any means…
- rugby… Oh yes, of course…
- a smattering of isiZulu but not really isiXhosa, can’t run fast enough and I find it hard not to tell the truth…
- the world economy… its farked, armaggedon is nearly upon us, genius not required…
- NZ culture… Nothing required whatsoever… I am fluent in Maori too… Here, Baaah – Means Howzit… Baa ah ah – bend over …. Bleat – Fark that’s huge…
- Music… Only the best, no genius required, just appreciation…
- WW2… Deeper understanding than Saving Private Ryan and Gallipoli is not hard… Promise.
- Janitorship… okay, no sense being modest here… Unparalelled prodigy.
30 Nov 2011, 21:08 pm
@poppa69(poppa69)-492: Well, one things for sure, you probably didn’t read it, whether its Hungarian or Hindu… Considering your state of literacy, and the fact you make Capo sound like Shakespeare at times….
30 Nov 2011, 21:09 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-489:
Good one.
How many times have Robert Marawa won the Sports Media Award for Television? It seems to me his name keeps popping up for that award. Says a lot about the quality of our TV sports presenters.
But,,, as you alluded to, some of them are now in the Hall of Shame.
30 Nov 2011, 21:10 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-494:
But a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing…
30 Nov 2011, 21:10 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-489: Lol
30 Nov 2011, 21:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-498: grown some ballas since the banshee is on the other side of the country?
how strange… what time do you envision you’ll be running away?
you have the flair for it is all..
cheese eating surrender m.onkey…and HG… perfect fit…
30 Nov 2011, 21:14 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-497:
Good come back…as always.
30 Nov 2011, 21:14 pm
@Scat69(pooper69)-502: Other side of the side of the country? Lol… You truly are a dumfck… New England and “Old” England are on different continents…
Classic. Case closed
30 Nov 2011, 21:14 pm
Troll die Droll69 nog hier, ai magtig
30 Nov 2011, 21:16 pm
Only good thing about war is movies like Black Hawk Down
30 Nov 2011, 21:17 pm
And saving Ryan’s Privates…oh wait that wasn’t a war movie ;D
30 Nov 2011, 21:18 pm
Whoops Pops!
Geographical fail!
Even I knew that.
30 Nov 2011, 21:20 pm
I wanted to save Ig’s privates but he got married!
30 Nov 2011, 21:20 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-504: whatever… being in the Sth Hemisphere I dont care too much for NH geography… I see you do though, is it because you have to avoid cities and towns youve already visited because of that winning personality you have?
now run along dumfck ********, havent you got khaki shorts to attend to?
@Sasori(Sasori)-505: ohhhh best you get your machine gun then huh?
30 Nov 2011, 21:22 pm
this idiot eulogizing on the warlike ramifications of his forebears while cozily coddling up to his vanquishers and picnicking on gooseberry pie in Hampstead Heath and having crumpets and tea at Richmond upon Thames spouting the good bards prose as if he knows anything relevant to his present existence.. whatsoever
30 Nov 2011, 21:24 pm
Mmmmm. Quality of pops’ bile is slipping.
Not as acidic as usual.
30 Nov 2011, 21:24 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-506: And We Were Soldiers… Stalingrad… Welcome to Sarajevo… Born on the 4th of July… Letters from Iwo Jima… No Man’s Land… Apocalypse Now… Glory… The 317th Platoon… Deer Hunter… Hurt Locker… Thin Red Line…
30 Nov 2011, 21:26 pm
@Pooper69(poppa69)-510: As I was saying… case closed, my boy
30 Nov 2011, 21:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-513: full metal jacket!!
30 Nov 2011, 21:28 pm
Black Hawk Down has eye candy.
And the so-called “good guys” get their behinds kicked by Ethiopian ragheads.
That makes it my favourite.
So wah.
30 Nov 2011, 21:28 pm
I should have been a marine… “All right, sweethearts, what are you waiting for? Breakfast in bed? Another glorious day in the Corps! A day in the Marine Corps is like a day on the farm. Every meal’s a banquet! Every paycheck a fortune! Every formation a parade! I LOVE the Corps! “
30 Nov 2011, 21:29 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-509: Who’s Ig…?
30 Nov 2011, 21:30 pm
yeah war is what keeps this sapient being going.. the more bloody and barbaric his history the more relevant to their present circumstance they enshrine their abysmal knowledge of who they think they are … and then the cherry pie pops
30 Nov 2011, 21:30 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-511: Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and cauldron bubble…
MacBeth’s witch is back…
30 Nov 2011, 21:31 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-513:
..Patton…Defiance
30 Nov 2011, 21:32 pm
Ig was the totally gorgeous moderator of this site before your time.
@ Sasori … Whoop!
30 Nov 2011, 21:34 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-517: From the Halls of Montezuma,
To the shores of Tripoli;
We fight our country’s battles
In the air, on land, and sea;
First to fight for right and freedom
And to keep our honor clean:
We are proud to claim the title
Of United States Marine.
30 Nov 2011, 21:35 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-521: Defiance was the one in the woods, with James Bond in it ?
30 Nov 2011, 21:36 pm
so you actually believe you are somehow significant … or that your useless information means anything…. to somebody…. think again dumb idiot… you ain’t .. and it don’t…
30 Nov 2011, 21:36 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-515: What about Troy and 300…
30 Nov 2011, 21:37 pm
Maybe Grant10 has been right all along.
This is just so funny.
Sharks won’t tolerate fatties
Durban – The Sharks have started their pre-season preparations ahead of next year’s Super Rugby tournament and assistant coach Grant Bashford has warned there will be no place to hide for unfit players.
Bashford said body fat measurements will be done regularly to ensure the players stay fit.
“We’re going to be really hard on that this campaign, the guys will be going away over Christmas but will be given programmes to work from and there will be structures in place to take care of anyone who hasn’t lived up to what they need to do for the coming season. We’re going to take a hard line on that going into the new year,” Bashford told Sharks website editor, Michael Marnewick.
30 Nov 2011, 21:37 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-525: Fair is foul, and foul is fair…. Cackle farken cackle
30 Nov 2011, 21:38 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-516: I thought they wuz Somalis
30 Nov 2011, 21:39 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-527: Joumase…
30 Nov 2011, 21:40 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-523: Two Thumbs Up
30 Nov 2011, 21:41 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-522: What if I was gorgeous too…?
Banshee is due a trade in soon….
30 Nov 2011, 21:41 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-526:
Loved 300…lol
Not watched Immortals yet as it feels to derivative for me…
30 Nov 2011, 21:43 pm
wrong site
war movies… marines… the wrath of human nature .. the fake adulation of war
some idiots are fckd up solid by Spielberg, Ford Coppola, and Hollywood. They actually believe that war is endearing to their nature and that it is some romantic fable of their better judgment of human character.. while sipping tea and scrunching scrumptious scones on Hampstead Heath.
30 Nov 2011, 21:43 pm
I see Poopsicle hasn’t been making any new friends today.
Whatafuckingtwat.
30 Nov 2011, 21:44 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-531: Ja, Skopskiet can feel lucky he wasn’t fighting the US Marines in the Caprivi or else he would be nearly due a pension in Gitmo by now…
30 Nov 2011, 21:44 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-530:
30 Nov 2011, 21:45 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-527: Bashford should consider himself lucky to still be involved at the Sharks… so should Plumtree.
30 Nov 2011, 21:46 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-506: My absolute favorite war movie as well, brilliant movie, terrifying.
30 Nov 2011, 21:46 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-533: Immortals is okay… Not as good as 300… No “SPAAAAAAAAARTAAAAAA!”
30 Nov 2011, 21:48 pm
Where is pops!!!
30 Nov 2011, 21:51 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-513: Born on the 4th of July, i didnt enjoy, Deer Hunter, didnt enjoy, to depressing.
@Sasori(Sasori)-515: This is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for action, and this is for fun…….. someting like that lol.. good movie.
30 Nov 2011, 21:52 pm
your whole life is one fat movie.. and soon the projectionist gonna can the tape and shut the lid.. clunk … whoopie we gonna have a whole lotta fun
and its one two three
what are we fighting for
don’t ask me I don’t give a damn
and its five six seven
open up the pearly gates
whoopie we all gonna die..
30 Nov 2011, 21:53 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-541: You know, Rangerman had a theory about Pooper which I am convinced is true…
He rumbles on Keo, spewing all sorts about “Japies”, AIDS, Khakis etc after which silence where Ranger reckons the fool gets off, relieving himself with his cheap thrill… Pooper’s KeoKink
Makes you feel dirty, innit?
30 Nov 2011, 21:55 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-542: Yeah, they are pretty depressing…
30 Nov 2011, 21:56 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-542:
When living in a digs years ago The Deer Hunter was the one video people always seemed to select. Including watching on the big screen, I think I sat through it 4 times. Still a classic.
30 Nov 2011, 21:56 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-543: You’re so… nihilistic… Boo farken hoo
Now let me go find some biltong… I must have some stash left over somewhere… Hmmm
30 Nov 2011, 21:58 pm
TMI
30 Nov 2011, 21:58 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-541: Did you watch last nights movie with Edward Norton …..The Leaves of Grass …. or something like that. Hillbillish kind of movie.
Edward Norton and Andy Garcia very underrated actors.
30 Nov 2011, 21:59 pm
Anyone seen Warrior… Now that is a helluva good movie… Makes Rocky seem a bit quaint… and dull.
30 Nov 2011, 22:00 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-541: Dolly the sheep was probably ready for round two – duty calls and all that
30 Nov 2011, 22:01 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-549: Must check it out… Whats it about?
30 Nov 2011, 22:02 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-542: That movie has a quote a minuette…truly excellent film!
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-550: Not seen that yet but thought The Fighter was a contemporary rocky, with much..Much better acting.
30 Nov 2011, 22:04 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-546: That is dreadful, 4 times, I would have hung myself with my own hair, slit my wrists with a finger nail.
30 Nov 2011, 22:07 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-553: Warrior is excellent… Tom Hardy (Acted in Bronson) and Nick Nolte… Set in Cage fighting, about 2 brothers and a father…
30 Nov 2011, 22:07 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-550:
Will make a note of that one.
Try see Defiance. I mentioned it earlier. It is based on a true story and I still have to get around to reading the book. Lots of action, suspense.
30 Nov 2011, 22:08 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-553: Haven’t brought myself to watch the Fighter yet… Apparently its very good too… Will check it out.
30 Nov 2011, 22:08 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-554:
It wasn’t the most uplifting movie.
30 Nov 2011, 22:09 pm
Missed it hugs.
Will look out for repeat. Don’t reveal too much!
30 Nov 2011, 22:09 pm
nihilistic… wtf is that? another big word signifying nothing… bottom line is your insignificant self will soon realize how insignificant you are.. and all the Hollywood wishful thinking razzle dazzle celluloid garbage won’t bring you a whisker closer to yourself… go chomp on that dead dry deer hunted down in good barbaric warlord fashion as if that dead dry dummy is gonna help you suck the reality from your false fallacy of who you think you are.. poor dead deer died for a poorer deader dear. lost in the maze of his own forlorn falsetto fake fallacy of the romancing of men killing for the sake of it..
30 Nov 2011, 22:10 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-552: Dont want to give to much away, Hillybilly pulls himself up in the world, becomes some sought after academic, has twin brother (played by himself as well) who gets him back home for an alibi, **** happens. Susan Sarondon (sp) is the mother in the movie. Really good.
Only thing is when you tell some one a movie is really good they always get disappointed cos they expect more, so will say it is worth watching.
Watch it
Norton doesnt act in chit movies
30 Nov 2011, 22:10 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-556: I’ve seen Defiance… Its the one with James Bond in the woods…?
30 Nov 2011, 22:13 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-560: Beyootiful… I look on in admiration as I go chomp, chomp… Mmmm, chilli chutney flavour is good….
30 Nov 2011, 22:13 pm
Is skop on tik?
30 Nov 2011, 22:15 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-562:
That’s the one
30 Nov 2011, 22:16 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-561: Cool. Thanks… Enjoyed Norton in the Illusionist, the last movie I saw with him acting…
30 Nov 2011, 22:17 pm
Welcome to Sarajavo was really good as well. Must say i enjoy good old spy and espionage movies, Kingdom was excellent and that one with Di Caprio as a CIA agent i thought was really brilliant.
Loath depressing drama’s and chick flicks.
30 Nov 2011, 22:20 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-565: Yes, you’re right it was good… The actor from Manchurian Candidate was also in it, Leiv Schreiber… Russians too…. Hardcore
30 Nov 2011, 22:21 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-567: My best movie over the past couple of years has been Inception… Watched it more than once, I tell ya.
30 Nov 2011, 22:21 pm
poof and it all goes up in smoke.. just like your own dead dried up husk of a body burnt to ashes on the top of the funeral pyre.. thats how significant you are.. or the romancing of men with their Tommy gun toys in the ravages and reminiscences of war.. in celluloid or other mediums of absolute oblivious obviation’s of reality
pretense and illusion is what drives men imaginations thinking they are more human for romancing their own inhumanity to man.
30 Nov 2011, 22:23 pm
Well I’m looking forward to “The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo”. Looks a good-in…
30 Nov 2011, 22:25 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-570: No funeral pyre for me… My very very distant Norse ancestors, maybe, but not little old me…
Naah, I think Valhalla will wait for now…
30 Nov 2011, 22:27 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-569: Dont have time to go to movies, so will watch when it comes onto Dstv.
Night night, program on parallel universe has started on Discovery, so have to decide between that or cartoons lol.
30 Nov 2011, 22:29 pm
Oh feck quantum mechanics, dont even know what that is, cartoons it is.
30 Nov 2011, 22:31 pm
Dragon tattoo has been out for yonks! Don’t bother with the remake get tHe original swedish one.
30 Nov 2011, 22:32 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-575: Ya I’ve got the original swedish one, gonna watch both
Same with The Ring – the japanese version felt that much more – real, even though the American version was well done and creepy as hell.
30 Nov 2011, 22:33 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-571: Banshee loves the books… And the movie… Was bored after 20 min… CSI Sweden
30 Nov 2011, 22:37 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-573: If you enjoyed Strange Days or Matrix then Inception will be up your street… Lots of people didn’t enjoy it though.
30 Nov 2011, 22:38 pm
mock at the insignificance of your meager time in this frantic and frivolous vernekery at the illusion of your importance on this merry dance stage, like a meager dream you appear and then you vanish back into the whisks of irrelevant delusion
until you are dead you will never know what it actually means to be alive.
30 Nov 2011, 22:38 pm
Looking through the 2012 upcoming movies and there is an American Pie 4 on the way, and Underworld 4 as well *sigh*
Total Recall remake, Dark Knight Rises and Prometheus will be the highlight for me if released in 2012
30 Nov 2011, 22:40 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-579:
‘What kind of a dream is it,’ said Ódin,
in which just before daybreak,
I thought I cleared Valhalla,
for coming of slain men?
I waked the Einherjar,
bade valkyries rise up,
to strew the bench,
and scour the beakers,
wine to carry,
as for a king’s coming,
here to me I expect
heroes’ coming from the world,
certain great ones,
so glad is my heart.
30 Nov 2011, 22:41 pm
janee those war movies are kak ek se, the only good one was Stripes with bill murray.
30 Nov 2011, 22:44 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-581: Even Led Zeppelin know that story:
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs flow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, Our only goal will be the western shore.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
How soft your fields so green, can whisper tales of gore,
Of how we calmed the tides of war. We are your overlords.
On we sweep with threshing oar, Our only goal will be the western shore.
So now you’d better stop and rebuild all your ruins,
For peace and trust can win the day despite of all your losing.
30 Nov 2011, 22:46 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-580: Dark Knight and Prometheus will be worth a watch.
30 Nov 2011, 22:46 pm
the entire art of living is learning how to die.. so how significant is that?
30 Nov 2011, 22:46 pm
@cab(cab)-582: You must have loved Pauly Shore in “In the Army Now”
30 Nov 2011, 22:48 pm
wtf **** is this oke talking?!
if you dead you are dead. you cant learn how to die, its a one-off.
yessus what a load of kak!
30 Nov 2011, 22:49 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-586:
lol, that was pretty good too, what about that oke adam sandler getting thumped by the oldboy on the golfcourse?
30 Nov 2011, 22:52 pm
got it all arse about face.. thinking this is real.. like Hollywood or Bollywood .. meanwhile this is the flip side of reality.. this is the wrong side of the black hole.. ever thought about that?..
30 Nov 2011, 22:52 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-585: Art of living… Come now.
You live and then you die…
Binary… 1 and then 0… In this Universe…
In other possibilities or Universes you live on… or you’re already long dead…
30 Nov 2011, 22:54 pm
@cab(cab)-588: Haha, happy gilmore…
“..go to your home ball, why don’t you want to go to your home, are you to good for your home…” or something like that…classic.
Sandlers best movie was probably “Punch Drunk Love”, but “You don’t mess with the Zohan” was ******* funny!
30 Nov 2011, 22:54 pm
yeah you were dead before you popped out from your mama’s womb.. so when exactly did you ever become alive? You dunno squat about what comprises life or death.. such is the state of your absolute ignorance.
30 Nov 2011, 22:57 pm
ooh fok, now they talking about black holes, out their holes.
this should be good.
30 Nov 2011, 22:58 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-592: You might have been alive or you might not have even existed in another possibility and another alternative Universe… However in this Universe you do exist for now… until poof someone opens the box… and poof… you’re dead, like Schrodinger’s cat.
You got no farken idea, hey… Those magical mystery bongs with the 13 string sitars haven’t enlightened you in the least.
30 Nov 2011, 23:00 pm
Skop so therefore we are all dead.?
30 Nov 2011, 23:00 pm
this oke is gonna sh’t himself silly when that last breath comes a knocking on his door.. all that materialist mumbo dumbo pseudo scientific jargon gonna go boom crash smash into oblivion when he realizes who the fck he is from who he is not..!! poor mesmerized bewildered fckdup deader than dead delusional dunce…
30 Nov 2011, 23:01 pm
If you think you are alive, then you are alive…simple.
30 Nov 2011, 23:02 pm
charlie chaplin in the first movie he said anything:
“I’m sorry, but I don’t want to be an emperor. That’s not my business. I don’t want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone, if possible, Jew, gentile, black man, white. We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each other’s happiness — not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another.
In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way. Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost.
The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men, cries out for universal brotherhood, for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world — millions of despairing men, women and little children — victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me, I say — do not despair. The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed — the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people and so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
Soldiers! Don’t give yourselves to brutes — men who despise you — enslave you — who regiment your lives — tell you what to do — what to think or what to feel! Who drill you, diet you, treat you like cattle, use you as cannon fodder. Don’t give yourselves to these unnatural men — machine men with machine minds and machine hearts! You are not machines! You are not cattle! You are men! You have the love of humanity in your hearts. You don’t hate! Only the unloved hate — the unloved and the unnatural!
Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty! In the 17th Chapter of St. Luke it is written: “the Kingdom of God is within man” — not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You, the people have the power — the power to create machines. The power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure.”
@Sasori(Sasori)-591:
yeah he’s a funny guy, but he started doing all these romantic **** ones, the purile ones were far superior in my humble opinion.
30 Nov 2011, 23:02 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-596: Careful… someone might open your box sometime… At that point you will either be alive or dead… 0 or 1.
One binary little bit in the midst of this Universe now…
30 Nov 2011, 23:05 pm
@cab(cab)-598: Charlie Chaplin was a wise man it seems… Good to see him quote the truth from the 17th chapter of St Luke… Ja, Chucky Chaplin knew what’s what in life…
30 Nov 2011, 23:05 pm
better start asking yourself the pertinent questions don’t leave it for schmucks like me to set you straight.. try fathom the reason you breathing in oxygen and emitting CO2 for the four score years and ten you been given the chance to recognize who in fact you are… or at least are not..
30 Nov 2011, 23:06 pm
well done guys, great stuff
30 Nov 2011, 23:07 pm
…and if you think you are dead, then your still alive
30 Nov 2011, 23:08 pm
i believe that i have a pertinent question – how the fk can you learn to live by dying?
this is some highbrow ****, way past me. we need the tool who knoweth the unstruck chord.
30 Nov 2011, 23:10 pm
Sun Tzu said…..
“that war, or military action, is of vital importance to the nation or state. It is a matter of survival, of life and death, safety or ruin. Therefore we study it and understand it.”
30 Nov 2011, 23:10 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-601: We never ever truly know what we are or what we are not… And you are deluded if you think you do know…
Maybe when you see that tunnel of light on the other side, on the way to the table at Valhalla, after you lights get switched off, then you might get an inkling…
Until then you live in an imaginary bubble looking through a distorted lens…
30 Nov 2011, 23:11 pm
now the die hard atheist who believes when you dead you dead quotes Chaplin and the good book of St Luke stating
“the Kingdom of God is within man”
somebody better start making up his mind about wtf he’s about.. quick.. before its too late.
30 Nov 2011, 23:12 pm
@cab(cab)-604: The tool who knoweth the unstruck chord…. The Blind Watchmaker?
30 Nov 2011, 23:14 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-605: Oh fook… No.
30 Nov 2011, 23:14 pm
okes were talking about war movies, i thought it was appropriate to give chaplin’s speech, take it or leave it, i;m not saying i agree with it.
where’s the fkn evidence ek se?! proof, not wishy washy watchatutu bullshit baffles brains charlatans, hucksters and snake oil salesman.
30 Nov 2011, 23:15 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-608:
no … cab.
wasnt the blind watchmaker Dawkins, fk me that’ll set him off. well played.
30 Nov 2011, 23:20 pm
Cheers okes. I’m gone for the evening.
Tomorrow another day, another dollar.
30 Nov 2011, 23:20 pm
@cab(cab)-611: Yeah, the Blind Watchmaker and the Selfish Gene…
Dawkins knows what’s what in a different way…
But Quantum Aspects of Life is where its all at ultimately. Those chaps who wrote that book have nearly figured it all out once and for all.
30 Nov 2011, 23:21 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-612: Cheers
30 Nov 2011, 23:22 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-612:
night IAAS
30 Nov 2011, 23:24 pm
Fark Skop has either vrekked like Shrodingers cat, like I said, or there is one big farken Nokia bomb on its way soon….
30 Nov 2011, 23:25 pm
try it sometime.. learn how to die
in other words conquer death.. become the blind watchmaker .. like the big beef watchatutu said become ‘born again’… no man will enter the Kingdom of heaven unless he becomes born again.. wtf does this mean.. to die before your death?
start asking yourself the pertinent questions.. am I who I think I am.. is this life who or what I am.. or am I who I know not what?
30 Nov 2011, 23:27 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-617: Disappointing… Cop out.
Why “big beef watchatutu”… Is He too offensive for you to mention by Name?
30 Nov 2011, 23:28 pm
those are **** questions. why u asking stupid questions, i can answer those for you sommer quick smart, no money charged.
am I who I think I am? yes.
is this life who or what I am? yes
am I who I know not what? this one is gibberish.
30 Nov 2011, 23:29 pm
So as far as war book go, the best I’ve read is Gates of Fire by Steven Pressfield. Again about the 300, but is incredibly well written and is required reading for US Marines.
30 Nov 2011, 23:30 pm
you cannot figure out the Quantum aspects of life using your intellect it don’t have sufficient range or accuracy, so Dawkins don’t know squat about who he is or where he’s at… or where he’s heading till he himself crosses his own threshold of inadequate intellect.. and learns how to die.. penetrates his own intellect with a far more piercing and pertinent faculty of his mind which can visualize and recognize who he is … and learn what it is to live
30 Nov 2011, 23:31 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-620: Lol
30 Nov 2011, 23:32 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-618:
he’s dead .. same as you will be soon.. so who’s getting all offensive or defensive about somebody who is dead?
30 Nov 2011, 23:36 pm
@cab(cab)-619: so you know who you are…
well and good then you should be clearly in a state of perfect equanimity with your life.. no questions for you.. you already home and dry… well done James.. this world is simply your oyster and there’s nothing here for you to learn further… you are absolutely complete… in a perfect state of clear knowledge of who in fact you are..
congratulations .. you’ve arrived.
30 Nov 2011, 23:37 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-621: Dawkins knows more about this illusion called life than you will ever know in five lifetimes… He may be slightly off track if I may say so myself but he knows his stuff and he knows the nuts and bolts.
But the lubricant of those nuts and bolts – the very make up of the nuts and bolts themselves can be found in such topics as:
- Quantum Mechanics and Emergence
- Quantum Coherence and the Search for the First Replicator
- Can arbitrary Quantum Systems undergo Self-Replication
- Quantum Transmemetic Intelligence
Got that?
30 Nov 2011, 23:37 pm
QM, the one established for over 50 years since Bohr, is the copenhagen interpretation.
Its the cutting edge, but will be refined over time, maybe its not even probabilistic.
Its fuzzy, so fertile territory for the watchatuts who actually have no idea what its really about. none whatsoever, in the slightest, which is why they big experts in these areas of maximum misunderstanding.
30 Nov 2011, 23:39 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-623: Who is He? Why is it offensive to say His Name?
And he lives, Risen… Like Lazarus. A quantum genius.
30 Nov 2011, 23:39 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-624:
tank u kindly.
whats next?
I cab, u ashampoopaloo, who would;ve guessed thats all there is to it.
excellent had it right all along, forget the unstruck chord, its the loudest one.
30 Nov 2011, 23:44 pm
@cab(cab)-626: Ja, I’m way over my head with this bulldust baffles brains to be honest… But you Physicists complicate things… First you fck that Hadron Collider up and now you bu.ggers have fcked up the bond markets with those little trading apps of yours that you’ve conjured up… 1st Greece, then Italy, now Spain, then France…
All those diffusion equations of yours… Fcksakes
30 Nov 2011, 23:45 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-625:
how about:
1) why something rather than nothing?
2) is the universe fundamental deterministic (ordered) or random?
3) What in gods name possessed PdV to bench Bismarck?
these are the big questions.
30 Nov 2011, 23:45 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-627: wake up yourself and rise up out your dead stupor like Lazarus.. who you quoting some dead ghost of Christmas past instead of waking up and rising out your state of death yourself… somebody who is already dead or risen cannot help you do that.. you gonna have to learn how to do it for yourself..
30 Nov 2011, 23:49 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-631: Whose this “dead ghost” that you seem to be absolutely allergic to naming in person? Is it because you are scared of the absolute Truth and Way? Is it because you actually do not know as much about life as you may make out?
Say His Name… Invite him in and then you may get the full meaning of life on the back of your redemption…
30 Nov 2011, 23:50 pm
“3) What in gods name possessed PdV to bench Bismarck?”
that will be one of lives mysteries with no answers!
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-631: Are you perhaps implying that knowledge is the key to “awaken” or “rise”? Or is it more a religious slant….cause I’m having trouble translating from shampoo to english!?
30 Nov 2011, 23:51 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-631: You remind me of ET. He also comes on here with the top agenda being to fight the masses….
30 Nov 2011, 23:51 pm
ou doos raises an interesting point tho which is that we dont really talk about death in our culture, its considered morose and taboo, esp in anglo-saxon, but the eastern fellas seem immersed in a culture that is open to talk about death and thus probably are better prepared for it, and arguably puts life into a different perspective, whats that tibetan watchatutu crud the art of living and dying or something like that.
30 Nov 2011, 23:52 pm
@cab(cab)-630: Lol… Number 3 is simple… Your Moh.ammed Ali of coaches wanted his Cappie on the field… He wanted leadership and he wanted Bissy to finish off the opposition once Barney had softened them up…
With Rassie and Nienaber’s help he succeeded on all counts but in the end was foiled by Bryce and Paddy…
Simple as American Pie.
30 Nov 2011, 23:53 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-633:
ahh-sorr u sound like wise man.
that question is the really big one, the one that keeps me awake at nights.
30 Nov 2011, 23:55 pm
@cab(cab)-635: Why talk about death when you can talk about life… The best thing about a Wake, man… Celebrating Life.
30 Nov 2011, 23:56 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-632: you might be mesmerized by silly superstitions. sorry to disappoint I am not.. that dude who you do not and cannot know from a bar of soap can’t help you now he’s gone from here and you are here now… so better you seek a real live avenue to get you from point A to point B.. or Z… somebody like Dawkins at least is alive and breathing same air as you and can give you some direction… somebody who is long gone and vamoosed can’t help you squat.. even these dilly scientists can tell you that much..
30 Nov 2011, 23:59 pm
@Sasori(Sasori)-633: what is ‘knowledge’ the scientist will tell you it is this.. while the theologian will tell you it is that… meanwhile neither have access to knowledge…
‘knowledge’ is awakening.. or risen.. or being so called ‘born again’.. yes you might say that is becoming acquainted with knowledge.. but only one who has accessed knowledge can be in any position to verify what it actually is.
1 Dec 2011, 00:00 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-638:
i think that is right, its also right to look at the positives, but sometimes reality is not positive, it just is, and death (at least in a human body sense) is perhaps the one absolute that we can be sure of and is inevitable.
1 Dec 2011, 00:02 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-639: Whoozat “dude” you speak of…? WHY is HE so offensive to YOU that you can’t mention him by NAME? Are you scared?
Now who’s mesmerized by superstition that you can’t even say a Man’s name… A man that you think is dead?
He aint dead and if you go to your bed, kneel down and call to him quietly he actually might come and GIVE you the real meaning of life…
Go on… I dare you… What you got to lose?
1 Dec 2011, 00:04 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-640:
that is a subjective definition of what the word ‘knowledge’ means to YOU, and it is not much of a definition, because you then have define what you mean by ‘awakening’ or ‘rising’ or ‘born again’, but the watachatuts are not prepared to do that, they are not prepared to let their ‘knowledge’ be scrutinised.
1 Dec 2011, 00:05 am
@cab(cab)-641: No its the truth… Barney and Bissy are as true as Life and Death… And Life and Death are illusions that we may or may not have experienced… In this Possible Universe or the Next.
1 Dec 2011, 00:07 am
@cab(cab)-641: Sure, life might not always be a positive experience, but life was never meant to be “fun”. The key is to be realistic in any assessment, but also look for the positive next step – keep moving forward regardless of the challenge – even in the face of the oncoming train called Death.
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-640: More questions and prattling….getting lost in the semantics with your smoke and mirrors..
Gotta run office xmas party time time..woot! Cheers okes. Stay frosty and watch those corners!
1 Dec 2011, 00:10 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-640: Oh fark, … and what about epistemology or knowledge of knowledge? How does that work… Born again inside born again… or Born again squared… Helluvathing now
1 Dec 2011, 00:10 am
What a lot of **** is being spoken here tonight…
1 Dec 2011, 00:11 am
@cab(cab)-643: you cannot ‘scrutinize’ somebody else knowledge.. you cannot ‘know’ what you don’t know.. you can only scrutinize that which you yourself can know.. and not something or some state of experience or awakening or understanding which you have no access to.. so all that you can scrutinize is what you yourself know for yourself.. you can never know something that you have no personal experience of.. unless you call useless information like you find on Wikipedia or in almanacs or papers of ramified relative concepts or mathematical equations as knowledge.. which it definitely is not..
Only personal experience can relate to knowledge.. only that which you yourself have experienced or seen or witnessed is verifiable knowledge and not something somebody else has handed or written down..
1 Dec 2011, 00:11 am
@Sasori(Sasori)-645: Cheers.
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven’s scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded
By The United States Marines.
1 Dec 2011, 00:12 am
Am over and out too… Time for beddie byes…
Cheers Wise Men
1 Dec 2011, 00:13 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-644:
Sounds like you are christian, who also believes in the MWI interpretation of QM, not the accepted one, but it is looking more and more likely.
Ppl can have faith, speculate, or philosophise – ppl can individually believe what they want or would like to be the case including that they have the ‘knowledge’ or the ‘truth, all of us have this ability, the mind is an imagination factory that fools us constantly, but what I call knowledge or what we can and will know with any degree of validity is only that for which evidence exists.
1 Dec 2011, 00:19 am
@Sasori(Sasori)-645:
cheers satori
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-648:
yes you keep going on about that, but you forget that you can know what someone tells you. if the scientist tells you that acceleration due to gravity is 9.8 m/s you can test it for yourself by throwing your nokia up in the air and checking how long it takes to hit your pip.
If on the other hand, the watchatutu says, whatever it is that they say (which is pretty unfathomable and probably meant to be that way to retain the mystery), there is no way of verifying it or not. If the watachatutu teacher tells you something and it means something to you and you go Ommmm and contemplate your navel for the next 7 years in a cave, i;m pretty sure your mind will invent some wierd **** and you’d feel you were whizzing around the planet zoltan on your magic carpet, but in reality you were still in the cave.
How can you learn anything new, by focussing within, which is the sumtotal of your OWN experiences, and limits you at source, rather than trying to understand the experiences of others?
1 Dec 2011, 00:19 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-642:
stop being ridiculous… you got no clue who your dude is.. even the name you wanna sprout is an anglicized version of somebody you have not an inkling of a clue about who this person was or is … I got a far better idea than you could ever hope to have .. you living in a state of abject superstitious belief thinking you have access to somebody who it is absolute fact you do not.. so you are unfortunately fooling yourself.. and it should not be for me to tell you this in a public sphere like this but unfortunately if you wanna know the truth of it.. I gotta burst your superstitious bubble and tell you the simple absolute facts.
1 Dec 2011, 00:30 am
@cab(cab)-652:
where you get all this stuff from about chanting OM or contemplating your navel.. you been reading too many watchatutu books and philosophies without even getting to the gist of what it is you trying to find out….
if you wanna know how an electrode travels between one cathode field and another you participate in the experiment and you experience the movement of the electron.. in other words you witness or experience the activity of the moving electrode and then you are able to verify it as fact..
so if you wanna know who you are or experience the knowledge of a particular experience of your existence then participate in the experiment and then and only then can you determine what is true from false or reality from superstition or fiction…
all the books or words or quantum theories in the world will never give you the verified real experience of reality.. same way as the religious follower of biblical texts or any religious texts can never verify what somebody else experienced centuries or generations ago and declare this as truth or knowledge .. it is not..
Only that experience which you can achieve yourself is real.. everything else outside of your own direct perception or experience can never be classified as knowledge.. only as hearsay or theory or assumed information.. but not knowledge.
1 Dec 2011, 00:34 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-654:
got it from you, thats what you saying above, you got too find a teacher in the flesh, and then listen to him and do what he says. i dont like that, i say listen to as many ‘teachers’ as you can, but make up your own mind, and make up your own mind based on objective external evidence, rather than focusing within and arriving at some subjective truth which might have been implanted by a teacher, who is also wrong, but you believe it nonetheless.
foreget books, knowledge can be oratory, can be passed down, etc – as long as its personally AND objectively verifiable, i..e there is evidence for it.
1 Dec 2011, 00:47 am
Scientific claim – nokia phone drops at 9.8m/s squared.
You can personally verify this claim AND it is objectively verifiable.
This is knowledge.
Watchatutu claim – you are JC hisself, ask yourself who you are.
You might personally verify you are JC (if you cuckoo), but it is not objectively verifiable since nooone else has seen you walking on water.
This is belief.
Scientific knowledge is not absolutely correct, it will probably be refined, but what we know at any point is based on objectively verifiable evidence at the time, which can be personally tested if you so desire.
1 Dec 2011, 00:49 am
@cab(cab)-655: the evidence is that which you witness and see with your own eyes that is the evidence.. you have not sat before Einstein and imbibed his knowledge yet you swear his version of events to be true… yet you have never even witnessed that E = MC 2
so where is your evidence..??
Knowledge is not transferred from one person to another.. but you can attain knowledge by means of being taught or directed by someone who can direct you to attain it for yourself in a manner that it can be attained..
if you are eager to become attributed with acquiring scientific knowledge you go to a living science professor and get taught in academic schools of learning by living scientists, not through reading the works of dead ones… the actual experience and attainment is something you can only do for yourself.. no other individual can abridge the transfer of knowledge for you, even whether they have access to it or not.
1 Dec 2011, 01:01 am
you are confusing experience of who you are with belief of who you are
if the fall of nokia at 9.8 m/sec is valuable information to you then regard this as your reason for experience of life. but this is hardly knowledge..
knowledge is knowing what life is.. what your reason for existence is.. what you are doing inhabiting a human body and what your real purpose of realization is…
all other materialist acknowledgement or scrutiny of measurement of what already exists in nature is not knowledge.. it is monkee see monkee do what nature already ordained for monkee to exist… knowing why and how nature works and the purpose for experience and existence within nature is getting closer to understanding of knowledge.
1 Dec 2011, 01:05 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-657:
One of the most important facets of human knowledge is writing, and yes books, which allows einstein to write and explain his formular for others to test and verify. Which they have done many times over.
I’m sorry but you simply do not understand the scientific method. A theory does not just mean a guess, in science it is a claim to knowledge that is supported by evidence. What you call a theory, is a hypthosesis, i.e. a guess. While guessing and imaging are a part of science, the essential part is the evidence (to support the hypothesis). A hypothesis does not become a theory (scientific) until there is evidence for it. It is then laid bare and subject to intense public scrutiny. It cannot be a vague claim, it has to be precise and repeatable, otherwise other scientists will poke holes in it and the theory will be discarded, which is exactly what people try and do, which is to personally test the theory and see for themselves that it is correct.
Specifal relativity has been tested so many times by so many different people that its over a century old and still not one single bit of evidence to refute it (tho they are checking the speed of light barrier which the italians think they’ve jumped). I cant test it at home, because the theory is so cuttting edge that it demands particular precise instruments, but i could go and test it if i had the eqipment. The same for the existence of dinosaurs, i can personally go and see a dinousaur skeleton at the museam.
I think professors and teachers are overrated, the best you can do is to listen to as many different persperctives as you can to broaden your horizons, but ultimately there is a distinction between knowledge (which is evidence-based) and subjective belief.
Einstein special relativity formula was at first not accepted but over time the evidence became overwhelming.
1 Dec 2011, 01:07 am
@cab(cab)-656: I believe that Frans Steyn’s boot defies physics. Sorry I do.
Like a neutrino.
Neutrino boot. Travels faster than the speed of light.
1 Dec 2011, 01:10 am
I apologize if my scientific intellect frightened you all away.
I will refrain from anything metaphysical and remain aloof and transcendental. Kind of bobbing up and down on the mattress with my legs crossed.
1 Dec 2011, 01:12 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-658:
I am not attributing my personal ‘value’ to any particular type of ‘knowledge’, as in meaning. 9,8 is very valuable if you want to get to the moon or know how planetary bodies move, but it has absolutely no personal value to me.
I dont know if there is meaning or value, or if these are merely cultural concepts that we as humans, a social species of life, have developed. For example, what is ‘good’ or ‘bad’?
I think all humans have an innate feeling that there is a purpose to their life, some see it as more transcendental and it would be nice if this was the case, in truth i probably intuitively feel this is the case, but I also recognize that this is not necessarily the case, that such teleological reasoning might be flawed and that there might not be a reason to anything, it might all just be random, completely and utterly random, and there is alot of evidence to support this view that you may consider bleak.
1 Dec 2011, 01:14 am
@SodaJoe(SodaJoe)-660:
lol – yeah pity he got injured.
anyway sorry got so wrapped up in this one, forgot on a rugby site.
How are you? still making biltong or freezing your ballas off?
1 Dec 2011, 01:14 am
“So I jump ship in Hong Kong and make my way over to Tibet, and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas. A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I’m a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald… striking. So, I’m on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one – big hitter, the Lama – long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga… gunga, gunga-galunga. So we finish the 18th and he’s gonna stiff me. And I say, “Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.” And he says, “Oh, uh, there won’t be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.” So I got that goin’ for me, which is nice.”
1 Dec 2011, 01:20 am
lol – where;s that from?
1 Dec 2011, 01:28 am
ah yes, caddyshack, bladdy excellent, better than stripes.
1 Dec 2011, 01:29 am
the number of the beast, fantastic.
night
1 Dec 2011, 06:21 am
@Bod(bod)-100: Yarpie.
1 Dec 2011, 07:59 am
A bELATED cONGRATS TO KEO AND TEAM AND THEN TO ALL THE kEOLINGS WHO MAKE THIS SITE SOMETHING SO SPECIAL.
oH fARK cAPS – sORRY
1 Dec 2011, 09:08 am
@Gunther(gunther)-407: Actually, that’s a regular sized cheque.
1 Dec 2011, 11:14 am
Soda Joe is still ‘out there’….
All is well!
1 Dec 2011, 17:17 pm
No one talks about about death because what is there to say, it happens……..and that is that…….now one knows anything about it and if they say differently they are talking chit.
1 Dec 2011, 23:08 pm
huge congrats!!! Deserved winners.
2 Dec 2011, 01:39 am
Congrats Keo, all writers and bloggers!
2 Dec 2011, 22:31 pm
silly little girl with her hair all done up in curls, and hubby gonna buy her another string of pearls so she can go to the bio-scope and watch Tarzan swings and Tarzan falls – she gonna watch all those death romanticizing war movies so she can marvel at death till she gotta experience it herself… then she wanna befuddle her own brain and pretend it don’t happen to her it only happens to others
death is as real as life.. in fact possibly more real than life.. life is dream state and death is awakening.. when you learn how to die that when you know how to live.. till then its just like you sitting in the movies and pretending you Jane Fonda when you ain’t…
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