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• 101.cab:
  4 Dec 2011, 21:25 pm

  and all ye who are made in thine saviors image and whom so dwelleth on the earth with 2 legs shall feast upon the other creatures that might be tasty if basted with sauces and herbs…i’m sure that was somewhere.

• 102.stormersboy:
  4 Dec 2011, 21:27 pm

  Anyway, this has been fun. Each to their own, and all that.

  Have a good evening all, I’m off to cyberstalk some of my wife’s cute facebook friends…..

  

• 103.ashampoopaloo:
  4 Dec 2011, 21:28 pm

  fish is a Greek translation to Latin then German and eventually to English.. though they say Simon Peter and his brothers were fishermen and were C’hrists first disciples, still you better go check the original Aramaic writings if you can lay your hands on them for the real accurate translations of the miracle of the loaves and the fishes.. or any of the tall stories you get in this fable passed down for posterity through a myriad of self interested parties translated and altered a thousand different ways..

• 104.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 21:28 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-97: And these poor hallucinating pagan idiot vegans can’t see the wood for the trees…

  While they howl at the moon and see things that actually aren’t there some of us will be celebrating G.od’s birthday on earth…

  We will be drinking wine, like he did with his followers, and shew did he like wine – even making water into wine…

  I prefer beer though and will have more than a couple in celebration of His Birthday….

  I will also have some nice Beef Wellington, glazed ham and gobble one big gobbling turkey too…

  Hmmm mmm mm

• 105.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 21:30 pm

  @cab(cab)-98: Yes, he did have something against bankers… a lesson in there for us all… He smacked them around in his day.

• 106.David:
  4 Dec 2011, 21:31 pm

  @cab(cab)-96:
  At 65, going on 66 this month, I don’t think I’m doing too badly.

• 107.cab:
  4 Dec 2011, 21:32 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-105:
  i thought u were a banker? you dont think the money-changers were capitalists in general, those who accumulate capital?

• 108.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 21:34 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-103: Whatever books you’re reading are lies and fairy tales… You might as well read the Wizard of Oz because I doubt you know what you are talking about at all… Nothing more than hallucinations brought on by Vitamin B deficiency… Whereas I know the truth through experience, not fuzzy pagan lying airy-fairy books… and nothing beats experience for knowledge as someone once said…

• 109.cab:
  4 Dec 2011, 21:35 pm

  @David(David)-106:
  well u sound young in mind. so what in your 66 years worth of experience is the meaning of life?

• 110.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 21:40 pm

  @cab(cab)-107: Yeah, maybe… Speculators and making his temple a market place made him strip hismoer… I told you before capitalism is fcked… The form that we know it where banking greases its wheels is going to fall down kaput soon… Maybe on the day that those Mayans reckon is the end of the world in January 2012 is actually the end of capitalism as we know it… Better buy your generator and store some diesel.

• 111.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 21:41 pm

  @stormersboy(stormersboy)-102: Sheezus…

• 112.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 21:49 pm

  Where’s this pagan vegan fool now? Has he run away from the truth as it confronts him smack bang in the face…

• 113.David:
  4 Dec 2011, 21:58 pm

  @cab(cab)-109:
  There is none, other than what we create.

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-110:
  A long but fascinating article.

  Debt Slavery – Why It Destroyed Rome, Why It Will Destroy Us Unless It’s Stopped
  by MICHAEL HUDSON
  Book V of Aristotle’s Politics describes the eternal transition of oligarchies making themselves into hereditary aristocracies – which end up being overthrown by tyrants or develop internal rivalries as some families decide to “take the multitude into their camp” and usher in democracy, within which an oligarchy emerges once again, followed by aristocracy, democracy, and so on throughout history.
  Debt has been the main dynamic driving these shifts – always with new twists and turns. It polarizes wealth to create a creditor class, whose oligarchic rule is ended as new leaders (“tyrants” to Aristotle) win popular support by cancelling the debts and redistributing property or taking its usufruct for the state.
  Since the Renaissance, however, bankers have shifted their political support to democracies. This did not reflect egalitarian or liberal political convictions as such, but rather a desire for better security for their loans. As James Steuart explained in 1767, royal borrowings remained private affairs rather than truly public debts. For a sovereign’s debts to become binding upon the entire nation, elected representatives had to enact the taxes to pay their interest charges.
  By giving taxpayers this voice in government, the Dutch and British democracies provided creditors with much safer claims for payment than did kings and princes whose debts died with them. But the recent debt protests from Iceland to Greece and Spain suggest that creditors are shifting their support away from democracies. They are demanding fiscal austerity and even privatization sell-offs.
  This is turning international finance into a new mode of warfare. Its objective is the same as military conquest in times past: to appropriate land and mineral resources, also communal infrastructure and extract tribute. In response, democracies are demanding referendums over whether to pay creditors by selling off the public domain and raising taxes to impose unemployment, falling wages and economic depression. The alternative is to write down debts or even annul them, and to re-assert regulatory control over the financial sector.
  Near Eastern rulers proclaimed clean slates for debtors to preserve economic balance
  Charging interest on advances of goods or money was not originally intended to polarize economies. First administered early in the third millennium BC as a contractual arrangement by Sumer’s temples and palaces with merchants and entrepreneurs who typically worked in the royal bureaucracy, interest at 20 per cent (doubling the principal in five years) was supposed to approximate a fair share of the returns from long-distance trade or leasing land and other public assets such as workshops, boats and ale houses.
  As the practice was privatized by royal collectors of user fees and rents, “divine kingship” protected agrarian debtors. Hammurabi’s laws (c. 1750 BC) cancelled their debts in times of flood or drought. All the rulers of his Babylonian dynasty began their first full year on the throne by cancelling agrarian debts so as to clear out payment arrears by proclaiming a clean slate. Bondservants, land or crop rights and other pledges were returned to the debtors to “restore order” in an idealized “original” condition of balance. This practice survived in the Jubilee Year of Mosaic Law in Leviticus 25.
  The logic was clear enough. Ancient societies needed to field armies to defend their land, and this required liberating indebted citizens from bondage. Hammurabi’s laws protected charioteers and other fighters from being reduced to debt bondage, and blocked creditors from taking the crops of tenants on royal and other public lands and on communal land that owed manpower and military service to the palace.
  In Egypt, the pharaoh Bakenranef (c. 720-715 BC, “Bocchoris” in Greek) proclaimed a debt amnesty and abolished debt-servitude when faced with a military threat from Ethiopia. According to Diodorus of Sicily (I, 79, writing in 40-30 BC), he ruled that if a debtor contested the claim, the debt was nullified if the creditor could not back up his claim by producing a written contract. (It seems that creditors always have been prone to exaggerate the balances due.) The pharaoh reasoned that “the bodies of citizens should belong to the state, to the end that it might avail itself of the services which its citizens owed it, in times of both war and peace. For he felt that it would be absurd for a soldier … to be haled to prison by his creditor for an unpaid loan, and that the greed of private citizens should in this way endanger the safety of all.”
  The fact that the main Near Eastern creditors were the palace, temples and their collectors made it politically easy to cancel the debts. It always is easy to annul debts owed to oneself. Even Roman emperors burned the tax records to prevent a crisis. But it was much harder to cancel debts owed to private creditors as the practice of charging interest spread westward to Mediterranean chiefdoms after about 750 BC. Instead of enabling families to bridge gaps between income and outgo, debt became the major lever of land expropriation, polarizing communities between creditor oligarchies and indebted clients. In Judah, the prophet Isaiah (5:8-9) decried foreclosing creditors who “add house to house and join field to field till no space is left and you live alone in the land.”
  Creditor power and stable growth rarely have gone together. Most personal debts in this classical period were the product of small amounts of money lent to individuals living on the edge of subsistence and who could not make ends meet. Forfeiture of land and assets – and personal liberty – forced debtors into bondage that became irreversible. By the 7th century BC, “tyrants” (popular leaders) emerged to overthrow the aristocracies in Corinth and other wealthy Greek cities, gaining support by cancelling the debts. In a less tyrannical manner, Solon founded the Athenian democracy in 594 BC by banning debt bondage.
  But oligarchies re-emerged and called in Rome when Sparta’s kings Agis, Cleomenes and their successor Nabis sought to cancel debts late in the third century BC. They were killed and their supporters driven out. It has been a political constant of history since antiquity that creditor interests opposed both popular democracy and royal power able to limit the financial conquest of society – a conquest aimed at attaching interest-bearing debt claims for payment on as much of the economic surplus as possible.
  When the Gracchi brothers and their followers tried to reform the credit laws in 133 BC, the dominant Senatorial class acted with violence, killing them and inaugurating a century of Social War, resolved by the ascension of Augustus as emperor in 29 BC.
  Rome’s creditor oligarchy wins the Social War, enslaves the population and brings on a Dark Age
  Matters were more bloody abroad. Aristotle did not mention empire building as part of his political schema, but foreign conquest always has been a major factor in imposing debts, and war debts have been the major cause of public debt in modern times. Antiquity’s harshest debt levy was by Rome, whose creditors spread out to plague Asia Minor, its most prosperous province. The rule of law all but disappeared when publican creditor “knights” arrived. Mithridates of Pontus led three popular revolts, and local populations in Ephesus and other cities rose up and killed a reported 80,000 Romans in 88 BC. The Roman army retaliated, and Sulla imposed war tribute of 20,000 talents in 84 BC. Charges for back interest multiplied this sum six-fold by 70 BC.
  Among Rome’s leading historians, Livy, Plutarch and Diodorus blamed the fall of the Republic on creditor intransigence in waging the century-long Social War marked by political murder from 133 to 29 BC. Populist leaders sought to gain a following by advocating debt cancellations (e.g., the Catiline conspiracy in 63-62 BC). They were killed. By the second century AD about a quarter of the population was reduced to bondage. By the fifth century Rome’s economy collapsed, stripped of money. Subsistence life reverted to the countryside.
  Creditors find a legalistic reason to support parliamentary democracy
  When banking recovered after the Crusades looted Byzantium and infused silver and gold to review Western European commerce, Christian opposition to charging interest was overcome by the combination of prestigious lenders (the Knights Templars and Hospitallers providing credit during the Crusades) and their major clients – kings, at first to pay the Church and increasingly to wage war. But royal debts went bad when kings died. The Bardi and Peruzzi went bankrupt in 1345 when Edward III repudiated his war debts. Banking families lost more on loans to the Habsburg and Bourbon despots on the thrones of Spain, Austria and France.
  Matters changed with the Dutch democracy, seeking to win and secure its liberty from Habsburg Spain. The fact that their parliament was to contract permanent public debts on behalf of the state enabled the Low Countries to raise loans to employ mercenaries in an epoch when money and credit were the sinews of war. Access to credit “was accordingly their most powerful weapon in the struggle for their freedom,” Richard Ehrenberg wrote in his Capital and Finance in the Age of the Renaissance (1928): “Anyone who gave credit to a prince knew that the repayment of the debt depended only on his debtor’s capacity and will to pay. The case was very different for the cities, which had power as overlords, but were also corporations, associations of individuals held in common bond. According to the generally accepted law each individual burgher was liable for the debts of the city both with his person and his property.”
  The financial achievement of parliamentary government was thus to establish debts that were not merely the personal obligations of princes, but were truly public and binding regardless of who occupied the throne. This is why the first two democratic nations, the Netherlands and Britain after its 1688 revolution, developed the most active capital markets and proceeded to become leading military powers. What is ironic is that it was the need for war financing that promoted democracy, forming a symbiotic trinity between war making, credit and parliamentary democracy which has lasted to this day.
  At this time “the legal position of the King qua borrower was obscure, and it was still doubtful whether his creditors had any remedy against him in case of default.” (Charles Wilson, England’s Apprenticeship: 1603-1763: 1965.) The more despotic Spain, Austria and France became, the greater the difficulty they found in financing their military adventures. By the end of the eighteenth century Austria was left “without credit, and consequently without much debt,” the least credit-worthy and worst armed country in Europe, fully dependent on British subsidies and loan guarantees by the time of the Napoleonic Wars.
  Finance accommodates itself to democracy, but then pushes for oligarchy
  While the nineteenth century’s democratic reforms reduced the power of landed aristocracies to control parliaments, bankers moved flexibly to achieve a symbiotic relationship with nearly every form of government. In France, followers of Saint-Simon promoted the idea of banks acting like mutual funds, extending credit against equity shares in profit. The German state made an alliance with large banking and heavy industry. Marx wrote optimistically about how socialism would make finance productive rather than parasitic. In the United States, regulation of public utilities went hand in hand with guaranteed returns. In China, Sun-Yat-Sen wrote in 1922: “I intend to make all the national industries of China into a Great Trust owned by the Chinese people, and financed with international capital for mutual benefit.”
  World War I saw the United States replace Britain as the major creditor nation, and by the end of World War II it had cornered some 80 per cent of the world’s monetary gold. Its diplomats shaped the IMF and World Bank along creditor-oriented lines that financed trade dependency, mainly on the United States. Loans to finance trade and payments deficits were subject to “conditionalities” that shifted economic planning to client oligarchies and military dictatorships. The democratic response to resulting austerity plans squeezing out debt service was unable to go much beyond “IMF riots,” until Argentina rejected its foreign debt.
  A similar creditor-oriented austerity is now being imposed on Europe by the European Central Bank (ECB) and EU bureaucracy. Ostensibly social democratic governments have been directed to save the banks rather than reviving economic growth and employment. Losses on bad bank loans and speculations are taken onto the public balance sheet while scaling back public spending and even selling off infrastructure. The response of taxpayers stuck with the resulting debt has been to mount popular protests starting in Iceland and Latvia in January 2009, and more widespread demonstrations in Greece and Spain this autumn to protest their governments’ refusal to hold referendums on these fateful bailouts of foreign bondholders.
  Shifting planning away from elected public representatives to bankers
  Every economy is planned. This traditionally has been the function of government. Relinquishing this role under the slogan of “free markets” leaves it in the hands of banks. Yet the planning privilege of credit creation and allocation turns out to be even more centralized than that of elected public officials. And to make matters worse, the financial time frame is short-term hit-and-run, ending up as asset stripping. By seeking their own gains, the banks tend to destroy the economy. The surplus ends up being consumed by interest and other financial charges, leaving no revenue for new capital investment or basic social spending.
  This is why relinquishing policy control to a creditor class rarely has gone together with economic growth and rising living standards. The tendency for debts to grow faster than the population’s ability to pay has been a basic constant throughout all recorded history. Debts mount up exponentially, absorbing the surplus and reducing much of the population to the equivalent of debt peonage. To restore economic balance, antiquity’s cry for debt cancellation sought what the Bronze Age Near East achieved by royal fiat: to cancel the overgrowth of debts.
  In more modern times, democracies have urged a strong state to tax rentier income and wealth, and when called for, to write down debts. This is done most readily when the state itself creates money and credit. It is done least easily when banks translate their gains into political power. When banks are permitted to be self-regulating and given veto power over government regulators, the economy is distorted to permit creditors to indulge in the speculative gambles and outright fraud that have marked the past decade. The fall of the Roman Empire demonstrates what happens when creditor demands are unchecked. Under these conditions the alternative to government planning and regulation of the financial sector becomes a road to debt peonage.
  Finance vs. government; oligarchy vs. democracy
  Democracy involves subordinating financial dynamics to serve economic balance and growth – and taxing rentier income or keeping basic monopolies in the public domain. Untaxing or privatizing property income “frees” it to be pledged to the banks, to be capitalized into larger loans. Financed by debt leveraging, asset-price inflation increases rentier wealth while indebting the economy at large. The economy shrinks, falling into negative equity.
  The financial sector has gained sufficient influence to use such emergencies as an opportunity to convince governments that that the economy will collapse they it do not “save the banks.” In practice this means consolidating their control over policy, which they use in ways that further polarize economies. The basic model is what occurred in ancient Rome, moving from democracy to oligarchy. In fact, giving priority to bankers and leaving economic planning to be dictated by the EU, ECB and IMF threatens to strip the nation-state of the power to coin or print money and levy taxes.
  The resulting conflict is pitting financial interests against national self-determination. The idea of an independent central bank being “the hallmark of democracy” is a euphemism for relinquishing the most important policy decision – the ability to create money and credit – to the financial sector. Rather than leaving the policy choice to popular referendums, the rescue of banks organized by the EU and ECB now represents the largest category of rising national debt. The private bank debts taken onto government balance sheets in Ireland and Greece have been turned into taxpayer obligations. The same is true for America’s $13 trillion added since September 2008 (including $5.3 trillion in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bad mortgages taken onto the government’s balance sheet, and $2 trillion of Federal Reserve “cash-for-trash” swaps).
  This is being dictated by financial proxies euphemized as technocrats. Designated by creditor lobbyists, their role is to calculate just how much unemployment and depression is needed to squeeze out a surplus to pay creditors for debts now on the books. What makes this calculation self-defeating is the fact that economic shrinkage – debt deflation – makes the debt burden even more unpayable.
  Neither banks nor public authorities (or mainstream academics, for that matter) calculated the economy’s realistic ability to pay – that is, to pay without shrinking the economy. Through their media and think tanks, they have convinced populations that the way to get rich most rapidly is to borrow money to buy real estate, stocks and bonds rising in price – being inflated by bank credit – and to reverse the past century’s progressive taxation of wealth.
  To put matters bluntly, the result has been junk economics. Its aim is to disable public checks and balances, shifting planning power into the hands of high finance on the claim that this is more efficient than public regulation. Government planning and taxation is accused of being “the road to serfdom,” as if “free markets” controlled by bankers given leeway to act recklessly is not planned by special interests in ways that are oligarchic, not democratic. Governments are told to pay bailout debts taken on not to defend countries in military warfare as in times past, but to benefit the wealthiest layer of the population by shifting its losses onto taxpayers.
  The failure to take the wishes of voters into consideration leaves the resulting national debts on shaky ground politically and even legally. Debts imposed by fiat, by governments or foreign financial agencies in the face of strong popular opposition may be as tenuous as those of the Habsburgs and other despots in past epochs. Lacking popular validation, they may die with the regime that contracted them. New governments may act democratically to subordinate the banking and financial sector to serve the economy, not the other way around.
  At the very least, they may seek to pay by re-introducing progressive taxation of wealth and income, shifting the fiscal burden onto rentier wealth and property. Re-regulation of banking and providing a public option for credit and banking services would renew the social democratic program that seemed well underway a century ago.
  Iceland and Argentina are most recent examples, but one may look back to the moratorium on Inter-Ally arms debts and German reparations in 1931.A basic mathematical as well as political principle is at work: Debts that can’t be paid, won’t be.
  This article appears in the Frankfurter Algemeine Zeitung on December 5, 2011.
  MICHAEL HUDSON is a former Wall Street economist. A Distinguished Research Professor at University of Missouri, Kansas City (UMKC), he is the author of many books, including Super Imperialism: The Economic Strategy of American Empire (new ed., Pluto Press, 2002) and Trade, Development and Foreign Debt: A History of Theories of Polarization v. Convergence in the World Economy. He can be reached via his website, mh@michael-hudson.com

• 114.cab:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:04 pm

  i think the holy book went thru a few other translations and included a parsimonious selection of what went into it, including the hidden gospels, so where are the gems, the one’s that fit some other particular dogmata? one thing about the good book is it a beautiful example of poetry and the influence such a style of commuincation can have, and the power of style over substance, or in other words bullshit baffles brains.

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-110:
  since when the mayans been back to the future? they also big pipe-smoking bullshitters.

• 115.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:12 pm

  @David(David)-113: Not bad… Like youknowho Shaun’s book…

  Yup, a breaking tipping point will be reached soon… It can’t go on.

• 116.ashampoopaloo:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:12 pm

  J’esus Cristos Demitros Debalicos Debentos Deuteronomycos

  WTF is all that hullabaloo rigmarole about slavery and debt and the monetary system gotta do with the meaning of life… Monty Python had it spot on perfectly sorted and now these Dravidian Androgynous Dinosaurs wanna re create the f’ng wheel ….

  Herr Goebeldy Gwat if you wanna know the reality and truth of the saga come to the Oracle of Ashmolean Osmosis … I fix all your pseudo fck’d up traditional hullabaloo grandmother superstitious tokoloshe bedtime stories for you one time… you will get your eyes woken up from the debilitated slumber you been hoodwinked and bullshitted all your false god fearing life…

• 117.ashampoopaloo:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:22 pm

  that “Good Book’ is a collection of romanticized Roman Papal influenced gobbledygook interspersed with some few gems of true wisdom that they couldn’t fuckup and obliterate or alter yet.. though by God they been trying with all their might and for all they are worth to stamp their self centered authoritarian despotic pseudo gobbledygook bumph for the past 20 centuries and counting to bamboozle the masses as far as they possibly can confuse them and hold them fixed to a fake superstitious teaching that don’t have half a figment of a true understood translation or interpretation to what actually happened or went down apart from all the second and third and 100th and 1000th handed down versions that are still getting decimated and fragmented and altered by the day in every other translated version and ‘New Book’ version that they are still butchering and altering yet…….

• 118.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:22 pm

  @cab(cab)-114: Yes, but their day of disaster is coincidentally where there could be a convergence of fck ups that could be the beginning of the end of capitalism as we know it…

  1. People of Europe give a middle finger to debt
  2. Israel bombs Iran
  3. Iran blocks the straits of hormuz
  4. Oil prices go ballistic
  5. The velvet revolution turns into something uncontrollable
  6. Change of leadership in China – jostling has already begun
  7. The 99% movement in the States gathers momentum in election year vacuum
  8. Europe gets fcked even as countries forfeit sovereignty to save the Euro

  This could all happen at the same time… A great depression that will make the 1930′s look tame…

• 119.ashampoopaloo:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:25 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-118: and the Mayans will be proved right .. 2012 gonna go ‘all fall down’ and now HG Wells gonna write himself another bedtime nursery rhyme to keep tokoloshe from the ominous capitalists door…

• 120.David:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:26 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-115:
  Yeah, I’ve been following this for a while. The US is becoming an oligarchy, as is the rest of the west. Anyway, I’m off to bed.
  Cheers everyone.

• 121.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:27 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-116: What do you know, huh?

  Tell me, in your experience, since you think you know everything about anything, what the h.ell our species of talking, walking dancing ape is doing on this particular green growth planet with H2O and O2 at the right concentrations and temperature…

  Why are we here?

  What are we doing here?

  What’s it all for other than experiential existence?

• 122.ashampoopaloo:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:30 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-121:

  simple old bean to get the fck back where you belong Jojo.. get back to where you once belonged…and stop beating about the apeman dance rosemary bush about it…

• 123.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:32 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-117: How do you know that… By “experience”… or by reading hallucinogenic bulldust baffles brains paganist disputations borne out of frustration that there is nothing more than the simple truth in the “Good Book”…?

  None of this any way the wind blows, crystal ball gazing, wind chiming, dream catching hullaballoo can disguise the truth other than sending vegan fools on a wild goose chase of confusion…

  You’re confused… because you read some obscure fairy tale, doesn’t mean you are any less confused…

• 124.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:36 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-122: Get back where you belong? What the fck type of answer is that… I could listen to Joe Cocker singing Up where we belong to get that bullshit answer… and this is all you can come up with?

  Go farken find the biggest Steers burger you can find and go and scoff it quickly because you are now hallucinating yourself into stupidity.

• 125.ashampoopaloo:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:37 pm

  it is experiential existence.. that is what its all about… the entire rigmarole pantomime from Big Bang to Big Crunch is about the experiential experience and expression of the One who created it.. and we little puppets in the pantomime are part and parcel of That experience must dance the merry jig to that merry tune… and when and if the Piper blows the penny whistle the puppet gonna dance and puppet gonna hear his whistle and then he gonna follow the yellow brick road back to the land of OZ… no so ??

  How more simple you wanna hear the same old story they been singing since Adam fell from his apple tree and Eve lifted her fig leaf..?

• 126.CoachPete:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:39 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-121:
  The answer to your question is:
  To watch Springbok rugby

• 127.CoachPete:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:40 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-118:
  Actually I agree with you sadly
  You left out one other
  Obama gets re elected in 2012

• 128.ashampoopaloo:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:41 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-124: you don’t wanna know squat – you so fixed to your traditional superstitious song and dance serenading you don’t wanna know squat about wtf you are actually doing here in this little over taxed planet almost exhausted from the carbonaceous fumes eating out her atmosphere…

• 129.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:41 pm

  Fark that, I will rather ask Joe Cocker for the meaning of life… He makes more sense anyway even if he is soppy sod…

  Who Knows What Tomorrow Brings
  In A World Where Few Hearts Survive
  All I Know Is The Way I Feel
  When Its Real I keep It Alive
  The Road Is Long There Are Mountains In The Way
  but we climb a step every day

  Love Lift Us Up Where We Belong
  Where The Eagles Cry On A Mountain High
  Love Lift Us Up Where We Belong
  Far From The World Below
  Where The Clear Wind Blow

• 130.cab:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:41 pm

  so now who decides which is the gem or not? the self-styled Grand Ou Doosie of hoe?

  “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”

  or

  “Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us… He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.”

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-118:
  yeah not really into the conspiracy stuff, but there is big trouble on the horizon and i suspect u may be right about economic revolution.

• 131.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:42 pm

  @David(David)-120: Cheers Kehla

• 132.CoachPete:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:42 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-125:
  Skoppie have you seen this
  You may have sent this to Robzin and seen it already.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZSY6nnLtRw

• 133.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:43 pm

  @CoachPete(CoachPete)-126: Now that’s more wisdom than anything from the bulldust baffling Vegan Guru….

• 134.CoachPete:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:45 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-133:
  I just thought I would reminded you guys of our priorities of why we are here.

• 135.cab:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:47 pm

  yip that bible got some wierd-*** stuff in it…so much for love and peace, and they been bible-bashing in the republic of sa like its their god-given right since time immemorial.

  the same goes for these intensely militant vegans and greenpeace nutjobs and animal acitivists etc, they fail to see the own hyprocracy between the principles of love and peace they support and the way they enforce these through violence and agression.

  janee, yes-no, this is a very strange world we live in, with all these fudamentalists.

• 136.Treehugger:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:49 pm

  Steers makes a veg burger, tell me bout the jostling 4 power in China, thats interesting. But remember, keep it simple.

• 137.cab:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:51 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-129:
  sounds a lot like the song by my favourite artiste of alltime, the blesbok bridges, on the wings of a wit duif…

• 138.CoachPete:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:51 pm

  @Treehugger(Treehugger)-136:
  China already have the power they own half of USA and will soon own most of South Africa

• 139.cab:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:52 pm

  @Treehugger(Treehugger)-136:
  holy **** treehugger, are u completely insane, u go all the way to steers and then order a veggie burger? this is sacriledge, didnt even know steers made veggie burgers, its a goddamn outrage…

• 140.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:52 pm

  @cab(cab)-130: Not talking conspiracy, am talking reality and us sheep are sleepwalking into one big worldwide allfalldown… You better go get a veggie patch so you’ve got something to barter… Everyone is copying Zimbabwe style voodoo economics… Banks are indebted to other banks and they are indebted to everyone else while everybody is indebted to banks… And nobody knows where the money has gone or where its going to come from… Money means everything and farkall at the same time… I tell you something is going to give soon… And when it does its going to come like a “thief in the night” and we all wake up in the morning and ask ourselves:

  And you may ask yourself
  How do I work this?
  And you may ask yourself
  Where is that large automobile?
  And you may tell yourself
  This is not my beautiful house!
  And you may tell yourself
  This is not my beautiful wife!
  Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
  Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
  Into the blue again/after the money’s gone
  Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.

  Now thats wisdom, David Byrne and Talking Heads

• 141.ashampoopaloo:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:53 pm

  @CoachPete(CoachPete)-132: yeah I saw that the other day when Robzim posted it.. I’ve sat in that lounge in Wilderness where that interview was taken… nice place as any for a man to while away his last few years or decades on this little paradise of a planet we call mother earth…

  In fact another mutual friend who has bought into that same Wilderness setup told me today he’s off to settle up and settle down there next year.. at least they got their heads screwed on straight.. they know a good setup when they see it and how to get out this mad frenzy of a crash and burn disaster that is about to unfold…

• 142.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:54 pm

  @Treehugger(Treehugger)-136: Lol. President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao are expected to retire, along with nearly half of the 25-member Politburo. Who or what takes over and how China reacts is anybody’s guess…

• 143.CoachPete:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:56 pm

  @ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-141:
  He sounds like the same old Donald. As a pikkie surfer he used to scare me .
  I used to sit on the railing above Glenn beach and watch him never daring to go down to the beach
  He still has that dry sense of humor and speaks his mind
  not to mention he was fearless

• 144.ashampoopaloo:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:56 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-129: Its a very nice song.. one of my favorites..

• 145.CoachPete:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:57 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-142:
  The Red army

• 146.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 22:57 pm

  @cab(cab)-137: lol, I reckon even blesbok knows more than these vegan pagans and their hallucinogenic fantasies about Mithra and fish and there meaning of life… Fark me when you get an answer, expecting great wisdom and then nothing more than Joe Cocker in return it helluva disappointing… I don’t even like Joe Cocker.

• 147.cab:
  4 Dec 2011, 23:01 pm

  @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-146:
  yeah i dont listen to the lyrics much, just like the music, but enjoyed cocker alot, hard-worn gravelly voice, better than dylan, crikey moses, horrific voice and that bladdy harmonica honky tonk **** and they all rate him as siener van rensurg in the fear-s-ah.

• 148.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 23:02 pm

  @CoachPete(CoachPete)-145: Don’t joke… With the gender imbalance in China and something approaching 20 million more men than women, a hunger fro raw materials, and economic meltdown everywhere, you get a recipe ripe for conquest…

• 149.ashampoopaloo:
  4 Dec 2011, 23:03 pm

  @CoachPete(CoachPete)-143:
  he’s a total down to earth dude.. fearless in the water but on land a gentle unassuming soul … easy to talk to and easy to get along with…

  btw to digress a little I see one of keohane’s heart throbs on the twitterati circuit is a blond knockout fitness fundi chickeedee .. well I met Percy’s ex again today.. Goodness Gracious that chic is outright beauty personified.. poor Percy – she is absolute beauty incarnate ..

• 150.Heavens Game:
  4 Dec 2011, 23:05 pm

  @cab(cab)-147: Joe Cocker is a soppy fool… Yeah the Jester Zim-meister can’t sing for shy.te but he can string a few songwords together like most can’t even come close to…

  Other than Springsteen…

  Or Bob Seger…

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