The 2011 keo.co.za awards
6 Dec 2011
JON CARDINELLI and RYAN VREDE rate the real winners and losers of the 2011 season.
THE HEROES by Ryan Vrede
The Irresistible Force - To watch Schalk Burger live borders on a spiritual experience. His work-rate can only be fully appreciated when you watch him effect a tackle then spring from the ground as if it were strewn with scorpions, track across the field and make another, then another and yet another. There is nothing elegant about his ball carrying, but what it lacks in panache it makes up for in power which is fuelled by a deep determination to cross the gainline. He was outstanding at the World Cup and has yet to show signs of a drop-off in potency. Thank God. The Springboks are significantly less formidable without Schalla.
Rocking Rookie - Jaco Taute is an excellent prospect and has the makings of a Springbok. The Lions fullback plays with a healthy disregard of failure, a trait I last saw as strongly exhibited in a young Frans Steyn. He will be central to the Lions’ Super Rugby cause in 2012. Franchises with better prospects of Super Rugby success are sure to be suitors in the coming years. The Lions have to secure his short-term future if they are serious about significant advancement.
And now for something completely different - Israel Dagg plays Test rugby with the freedom of kid on a run out with mates in the local park. There are players I’d pay to see left on the team coach, then those, like Dagg, who somehow justify the mind-blowing ticket prices for Tests. He has a complete technical skills set and the temperament to amplify his threat. But, like the greats, he has something in reserve – that indefinable quality that ‘x-factor’ doesn’t completely do justice too. The try he crafted for Ma’a Nonu in the World Cup semi-final is a prime example and was the most sublime piece of individual play I’ve ever seen live. He will be, at least, as good as the great Christian Cullen. He is my Player of the Year.
Bloody Legend - Richie McCaw’s foot was held together by hope and steel during the World Cup. Doctors had advised him to miss the tournament, explaining that there was no way he could endure the pain the injury would cause. They said the strong pain killing injections being administered wouldn’t dull the sensation of him tramping on needles everytime he put pressure on it. They said he would cause further, potentially permanent, damage. He said ‘thanks’ and set about confirming his status as the most decorated captain in the game’s history by lifting the Webb Ellis trophy.
#thatawesomemoment - For those fans with an appreciation for the theatre of the game (as opposed to the morons who chant ole ole ole) the All Blacks’ Haka in their pool match against France at Eden Park was breathtaking. The stadium fell silent and Piri Weepu’s call to prepare for battle was clearly audible. Then the super-charged collective challenge put to France reverberated around the stadium in a way I’ve never experienced. ‘Wow’, best encapsulates the magnitude of that moment.
Ground breakers from broken ground - Many of the Crusaders players were affected directly and indirectly by the earthquake that ravaged Christchurch early in 2011. It destroyed the AMI Stadium, forcing the Crusaders to play the bulk of their home Super Rugby matches in Timaru and Nelson. They travelled more than any franchise in the tournament, spending time on the road while family and loved ones who were rebuilding their homes and indeed their lives. Few gave them a chance of making the semi-final given the gruelling travel schedule they endured to get to Cape Town. Yet they won and then came desperately close to what would have been one of the great sporting achievements in history. We always knew they were big on talent. Now we know their hearts are equally sizeable.
THE VILLAINS by Jon Cardinelli
In the category of Dimwits in Denial, there were some strong contenders: the Springbok supporters who said Bryce Lawrence was solely to blame for South Africa’s early World Cup exit, as well as the South African journalists who joined the ‘Blame It On Bryce’ campaign instead of facing up to a less parochial reality. In the end, there is only one King of Calamity and in his last year in charge he stood head and shoulders above all the other candidates. Peter de Villiers has refused to admit that the Boks have been in decline since late 2009. The senior players have enjoyed too much freedom which has contributed to the creation of an insular culture rather than a progressive one. Unsurprisingly, De Villiers has maintained his stance that nothing was ever wrong and will be reapplying for the head coach post. Denial thy name is Divvy.
The Immovable Object – John Smit will be remembered as one of the greats of the South African and international game. In the context of the 2011 World Cup, however, he will be remembered as the man who stood in the way of Bismarck du Plessis. The best hooker in the world was in a foul mood towards the end of the tournament, as promises that he would start in South Africa’s big matches were broken. Smit also broke a promise made to the Boks in 2010 when he said that he would stand aside when it was clear that his best days were done. That time came and went long before the global showpiece.
Flop of the Year – In another example of the Bok selection shambles, De Villiers announced two weeks before the start of the World Cup that Morne Steyn would be his No 1 flyhalf. It came as a shock to many, including Butch James who had been told by the coach that he would start the big matches in New Zealand. Predictably, Steyn’s limitations on attack and frailty on defence cost the Boks, and his supposedly dependable goal-kicking game was anything but flawless.
Dinosaurs must die – Tobie Titus and the other freemasons at the Western Province compound have had the final say on the Cape Town Stadium issue, and woe betide anybody that brings this topic up again. When it was announced that Saracens would be playing Biarritz in a historic European Cup game at the Cape Town Stadium in January, Titus blew a fuse, stating that Newlands is the home of rugby in the Western Cape. Eventually Saracens decided to move the game back to England, and so Capetonians will miss out on the chance to watch the best of Europe slugging it out. Bizarrely, the Saracens team will still be coming to Cape Town in January for some R&R and to conduct a few coaching clinics. God, we have some useless administrators in this country.
…and while we’re talking about WP, a special mention must be made of the player management at the union. Peter Grant will enjoy a second stint in the Japanese league and miss the Stormers’ pre-season yet again. Just a couple of months after Lionel Cronje had been snapped up by the Bulls, the Stormers started targeting other young flyhalves like Burton Francis. The biggest management bungle, however, relates to a promising centre and an established international midfielder. Johann Sadie left Cape Town because Jaque Fourie was expected to hold a monopoly on the No 13 jersey in 2012, but just last week Fourie confirmed that he would be moving to Japan for the next two seasons. D’oh!
Daai’s (Nie) ‘n Try – Ahead of the 2011 league match between the Stormers and Crusaders, a mass contingent of Cape-based Crusaders fans mobbed the open training sessions. Some of the fans claimed to be connoisseurs who favoured the Crusaders because of their brand of rugby. Others said that their reasons for supporting a Kiwi team were rooted in South Africa’s segregated past. What escaped both groups of supporters was the fact that the Crusaders held a reputation as one of the more pragmatic teams in the tournament, and that the Crusaders were a predominantly white side. Fortunately we will enjoy a break from this deluded bunch next year, as the 2012 league match will take place in Christchurch.
Daai’s Nie ‘n Ref – Did Bryce Lawrence take one two many relaxants before the World Cup quarter-final match between Australia and South Africa? Lawrence adopted an ‘anything goes’ attitude towards managing the breakdown, and consistently avoided penalising either side in this facet of play. In the end, it was the Aussies that adapted best. Last week, Lawrence was honoured with a referee award in New Zealand. Perhaps there aren’t too many professional referees to choose from in Kiwiland, or Lawrence is in fact, as once suggested by Peter de Villiers himself, the son of IRB referee chief Paddy O’Brien.
Union in Turmoil – The chain of controversial events that characterised England’s World Cup campaign read like the script of a Will Ferrell movie. Dwarf-tossing, hotel-staff harassment, senior team members cavorting with mystery blondes, drunk junior players diving off moving ferries… all that was missing was a KY jelly wrestling match and Lewis Moody streaking through the quad en route to KFC. The rugby was also beyond ordinary, and unsurprisingly some important changes have since been instigated at RFU headquarters.
The Frank the Tank award – The colourful behaviour of the England squad paled in comparison to that of Zac Guildford post the World Cup. Bleeding from the head and naked, the All Blacks winger stumbled into a family restaurant in the Cook Islands and proceeded to clout a couple of patrons. Reports of this incident were succeeded by news that Guildford had verbally harassed a Cook Islands athlete, also while he was heavily intoxicated. Will Ferrell and co do come up with some madcap characters, but would struggle to dream up a fighting nude rugby player who also cruises the streets on a hired scooter shouting obscenities at young women. Crazy.
By Jon Cardinelli and Ryan Vrede
313 Comments
6 Dec 2011, 09:32 am
Some funny things in there, nice read.
But JC, for the love of all things starting with an F…
Morne Steyn: and his supposedly dependable goal-kicking game was anything but flawless.
You are aware he was the Rugby World Cup’s top points scorer don’t you?
6 Dec 2011, 09:33 am
plod
bok dream killer
6 Dec 2011, 09:51 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-1: I think the important part is the important kicks he missed. Some of them easy ones. But if taken in context, he was probably one of the best kickers in the competition, considering how very few kickers mastered the new ball.
6 Dec 2011, 09:52 am
Nice piece, apart from the fact that you cannot seriously be punting Butch’s cause ahead of Steyn.
O hang on, there’s that book thing. How’s that going?
6 Dec 2011, 09:56 am
@Bouts(Bouts)-3: But in hindsight, the best kicker we should have used for the series would have been De Waal. Love him or hate him, he wins games with his boot. He did it for the Free State, for the Stormers and he’s doing it in England at this moment.
Yeah… he’s a bad runner and tackler, but he’s still a game-winner. Sadly we had very few such players at the WC (a few of the players in the squad did that in the past, but haven’t done something similar in years!!)
6 Dec 2011, 10:11 am
@grant10(grant10)-2:
you really are a unhappy sod
6 Dec 2011, 10:14 am
Comments on Steyn are largely unfair. Butch hasn’t done anything since 2007 to come close to justifying his selection for the Boks, and the selection of Steyn wasn’t the reason the Boks lost the quarter-final.
6 Dec 2011, 10:14 am
@Bouts(Bouts)-5: you want willem de wall in the bok team?
hehehe
6 Dec 2011, 10:15 am
@grant10(grant10)-2: why was plod yellow-carded over the weekend?
6 Dec 2011, 10:20 am
@grant10(grant10)-2: Dial 0800-drama-queens- united, ask to speak to somebody who cares
Your daily ranting screws up at least 40% of the posts on Keo ,ET screws up the others posts
6 Dec 2011, 10:22 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-9: For killing the Bok’s dream. Personally, I think that deserves a red card.
I think it was for killing the ball in a ruck in the Saracens 22. Professional foul.
6 Dec 2011, 10:23 am
The real Rookie of the Year….
Johann Sadie.
Will be our best attacking player for many years to come.
6 Dec 2011, 10:25 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-7: Exactly. The fact that Butch will be lucky to make the Lions bench next year says it all.
6 Dec 2011, 10:26 am
John smit did a Mugabe….its not so easy stepping down when everything clearly says u should
6 Dec 2011, 10:26 am
Thanks to one word……ego
6 Dec 2011, 10:27 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-12: What exactly did Sadie achieve this year, apart from many column inches of media in the Cape press and on this site? Can’t possibly compare his season to Taute’s.
6 Dec 2011, 10:29 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-16: Sadie scored 1 pretty good try, and therefore deserves all the hype. I don’t think any-one else on this planet could have scored that try, and is the best outside centre since Danie Gerber – infact, I would go as far as saying he is better than Danie Gerber.
6 Dec 2011, 10:32 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-17: Oh, my bad then.
6 Dec 2011, 10:36 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-1:
my point exactly.
how stupid.
6 Dec 2011, 10:38 am
I suppose its a lot easier to call things when you have a PhD in hindsight.
6 Dec 2011, 10:39 am
wolfman no 17 you obviously never saw danie gerber play.
and if you did you are ehttp://www.keo.co.za/wp-admin/profile.phpntiled to your opinion
6 Dec 2011, 10:39 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-16: I am really excited by Taute – hopefully he can maintain his youthful exuberance, and not become an up-and- under specialist.
He tries a lot of things, and is able to pull them off more often than not. If you can keep him and Jantjes together, and add one or two players, you will have a great backline. Shame Mjekevu isn’t rated at the Lions – any ideas why that might be the case?
Taute will do well to learn from Kamana, who has great support play, and I would have loved to have seen Kamana, with Taute and Mjekevu as your back three.
6 Dec 2011, 10:42 am
no 21 should read:
and if you did you are entitled to your opinion
6 Dec 2011, 10:42 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-16:
Taute is rough. He does some things well, some things not so well.
At this stage Pat Lambie is still a much better choice at fullback.
Sadie played superb rugby when given a chance with the Stormers, even sparking a come-from-behind win against the Blues in Auckland.
He then had a heck of a good Currie Cup, before injuries slowed him down and eventually lead to him sitting out the last few weeks.
Led the try-scoring tally for a while, and outside of that had a hand in pretty much every other backline try scored by WP for a long time.
It’s a tight race, but give me Sadie.
6 Dec 2011, 10:43 am
“Tobie Titus and the other freemasons at the Western Province compound”..?…
i knew it…its true…
6 Dec 2011, 10:43 am
Taute the next big thing…..great prospect….imo
6 Dec 2011, 10:44 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-16:
Let’s not forget that it wasn’t the Cape singing his praises either.
Heyneke Meyer was his biggest supporter, and reportedly made him one of the highest paid players in South Africa.
Not bad for a guy who’s hardly played Super Rugby and hadn’t even played CC rugby yet at that stage.
6 Dec 2011, 10:45 am
@norman(norman)-21: That was a sarcastic comment, based on the hype surrounding Sadie. He has talent, but doesn’t deserve the hype. He played one good game against the Blues, and was injured for chunks of the Currie Cup.
Hopefully he doesn’t disappoint.
6 Dec 2011, 10:46 am
Surely we aren’t still punting Butch James.
Keo’s fellow dwarves are talking nonsense about Butch being promised a place in the World Cup starting 15.
Everybody else who was promised a place got theirs.
Butcher was lucky to get a holiday in Pongoland after his impotent display vs Aussies in Debbin.
6 Dec 2011, 10:52 am
As much as it hurts me to admit, there is more than 1 reason why we lost thr RWC this year.
1) Coaching staff got the game plan & selection strategy wrong
2) Certain players should not have been there. (Yes I am and have always been a Smit fan – but I also feel that Bismark would have offered more had Smit retired 6 months prior to the RWC)
3) Player promises that were made and broken would ultimately have cause unhappiness within the squad, and this does not create a environment where everyone trusts eachother, and wants to succeed.
4) Political influence has yet again played its role in SA
6 Dec 2011, 10:54 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-27:
Not the highest paid exactly, but he is cashing in just over a bar and a couple of spare cents.
6 Dec 2011, 10:56 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-22: I really don’t know what the story was with Mjekevu. I know that Mitchell doesn’t tolerate laziness, tardiness, ego etc, but I have no idea whether there was a clash of heads or whether he simply didn’t rate him that highly. With Mapoe, Killian, Murray, Taute, La Grange, Hollenbach, Kamana and Des Fountain we have the backline pretty well covered though.
6 Dec 2011, 10:56 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-31:
therefore not even close to being the highest paid players in SA.
6 Dec 2011, 10:59 am
Guess John Mitchell is an idiot too, then. What with Butch not making the Lions starting line up and all…
The most laughable comment in the history of this blog was Keo responding to me on the blog sometime during the World Cup, indignantly stating that surely I cannot believe that his integrity would allow for him to punt James just to up his book sales.
Surely not. Hehe…
6 Dec 2011, 11:00 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-24: Lambie a “far better choice” at fullback? That would pass as a pretty subjective (and debatable) opinion.
As far as Sadie is concerned, he may be the same age as Taute, but he hasn’t managed half his achievements. I think he’s a great prospect, but I also think you’re overselling him by some distance.
6 Dec 2011, 11:01 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-31:
Small change compared to the great Luke Watson’s R3m a year excluding win bonuses at the mighty Kings.
You telling me that Sadie is only one third as good as Luke?
6 Dec 2011, 11:02 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-36:
It does seem a bit strange doesn’t it? Kings not really rolling in the money…
6 Dec 2011, 11:05 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-37:
doesn’t seem strange at all.
6 Dec 2011, 11:05 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-36: The Watson’s didn’t struggle to be poor. It’s their turn to eat, whether we like it or not.
6 Dec 2011, 11:05 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-37:
Don’t worry. I’m sure the proper approval processes were followed. After all, no contracts can be approved without sign-off by the leader of the organisation.
So that ensures utter transparancy and impartiality.
6 Dec 2011, 11:06 am
Same sh*t different day.
-Swipe at PDivvie & the infamous ever cotinuing reference to “open secret” senior player blah blah blah
-Swipe at John Smit
-Punting of Butch James
-Supposed “promises” none ever really confirmed & the fact that if you play sh*t that promise goes out the window-Steyn won PE Test on his own points tally wise-so was he meant to be dropped after that due to this dogmatic keo-esque approach to the “promise” doctrine….Not a fark.Boring
6 Dec 2011, 11:23 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-32: i see you don’t metion van rensburg…
6 Dec 2011, 11:26 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-36: i see luke’s salary grates your carrot
you moaned about it even before he joined the Kings tl tl
6 Dec 2011, 11:29 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-43:
How many players in SA do you think are earning that kind of salary?
10? 15?
Then ask yourself: is he one of the top 15 players in SA?
6 Dec 2011, 11:33 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-44: is wynand one of those players?
6 Dec 2011, 11:37 am
@hendrikp(hendrikp)-12: Based on what? On things to come? tsk… tsk..
6 Dec 2011, 11:40 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-45:
Don’t know. But Wynand is a sh*tload better player than Luke.
6 Dec 2011, 11:43 am
JC and Ryan,
Some ironic and humous stuff.
………………………..And some home truths.
I hope you both enjoyed 2011 as much as we Muppits enjoyed castigating one another.
Call again anytime,
8)
6 Dec 2011, 11:43 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-42:
hehehe lol yeah rather conveniently leaving out van Rensburg too….
But in
La Grange-decent player but thats his ceiling-he is also 28
Hollenbach-journeyman,injury prone
Murray-knee,injury prone
Mapoe-was showing good form-injury prone
Kamana-journeyman,injury prone
Des Fountain-poor mans JdV-mediocre player
Killian-useful player-but also 28
Van Rensburg-hehehe no comment
Not as much depth especially quality wise….
6 Dec 2011, 11:44 am
About JS
One has to be honest in evaluating the Boks’ camp situation in 2011
If you expected the quota coach and a quota team manager to control, manage, prepare and coach a Boks team in a RWC Year all by themselves then you are entitled for that opinion, you won’t be alone in this regard.
However, if anyone thought those two pathetic clowns were well out of their depths then he has to realise the role JS had in 2011.
We know Bismarck, Adriaan Strauss, the other Strauss, Gary Botha and possibly Schalk Brits are all far ahead of JS, so tell us something new.
Enough said.
6 Dec 2011, 11:45 am
Let’s not forget the “Jump the Gun” award for Ryan insisting that it was a “fact” that Butch will be wearing the no10 in all the important games in the WC, even before it happened.
Probably cost him the coveted “Keo Journo who has a tux that still fits and can make the awards show” award that he was nominated for last year……
Oh how the mighty have fallen…..
6 Dec 2011, 11:51 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-51:
You could make a career in reading the minds of PdV and his selectors
6 Dec 2011, 11:52 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-44:
If one is the face of the organisation,one likely to receive a sizeable salary asthe fan base,sponsors etc identify with that image of that particular team/organization.Whether you approve of it /identify with it or not is irrelevant. It happens accross sporting codes and rugby is not exempt. For Pierre Spies media profile & exposure shall rise with him as captain of the Bulls,next time he negotiates his contract it shall reflect that thus he will get paid more. Spies must also be around that 3mil a year bracket is he say one of the 10-15 best players in SA? Many would argue he isnt even the best in his position in the country with a multitude of analyses,stats etc to lend credibility to that viewpoint.
6 Dec 2011, 11:52 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-42: Pure oversight, but he does come in below most of those I mentioned.
6 Dec 2011, 11:56 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-51: The Keo team are still backing Butch in a big way. In fact, they’re considering legal action against SARU and Div for reneging on a dinkum-double-true-no-nikcs-pinky-promise-with-witnesses.
6 Dec 2011, 12:01 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-53:
like gerald “mula” majola?
6 Dec 2011, 12:02 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-55:
The biggest problem with their campaign isn’t that some secret promise was apparently broken, or that expectations were created, or that Morne has this or that limitation or whatever.
The biggest problem is quite simple: Butch is kak.
So no matter what argument they put together, they can’t get past that little obstacle to their plans of dominating the NY times best seller list.
6 Dec 2011, 12:02 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-47: lol if you say so
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-53: don’t even go there, tac will cite super rugby titles and other medals won by the team spies plays for even though it was despite him.
you think spies would be voted in as Bath cappie after one season?
6 Dec 2011, 12:02 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-54:
I wonder how PdeV could have been so arrogant to make promises to Butch and Bissie, when he knew full well that Plod, Matfield and FdP actually picked the team.
6 Dec 2011, 12:06 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-49: What’s wrong with being 28? Just how young is your cut-off point? We’re not talking about the next World Cup. We’re talking about the next couple of S15’s and CC’s. All those players will be around and in good shape.
As for your little thing of punting the black guy and knocking the white guy – I know you have some kind of AA/BEE mandate to do so, and it’s kind of socially acceptable in this bizarre only-in-SA context, but it’s really getting tired and transparent.
Nothing wrong in wanting black players to do well. But know where to draw the line.
6 Dec 2011, 12:08 pm
Dwarf-tossing? Bwahahahaha…I don’t remember hearing about that?
6 Dec 2011, 12:11 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-61:
Yeah, they mistook Keo for a rugby ball.
6 Dec 2011, 12:11 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-57: An even bigger problem is that thousands of these hardcovers have been printed and could very well end up in post Christmas bargain bins. By Butch’s own admission, he’s erred on the side of caution and tried not to ruffle too many feathers with this book. Which is fine if you’re writing an annual report. But no one buys a biography to learn about your favourite animal, your first girlfriend and which shoe’s laces you superstitiously tie first.
6 Dec 2011, 12:11 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirodent)-61:
They were consenting adult Dwarves Yeti.
6 Dec 2011, 12:11 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-49:
Le Grange could well feature for the Boks in 2012, and deservedly so.
Only 28.
Aplon is 29.
6 Dec 2011, 12:23 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-51: Why dont you read Butch’s book and see him confirm it in there only to be surprised when he was booted. Oh how the stupid stay stupid.
6 Dec 2011, 12:28 pm
@Ryan(Ryan)-66: Hey, my boss told me I was only going to work on cool stuff when he employed me. You don’t see me writing a book about it.
6 Dec 2011, 12:30 pm
@Ryan(Ryan)-66: Rich you calling someone else stupid. You and JC have posted nothing but opinionated drivel for the last couple of years. Us posters make the site, not the inane posts by you and JC. We come here to talk to each other.
6 Dec 2011, 12:31 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-60:
If one is building/or at least trying to build a dynasty then one cant do it with the majority of the squad in their late 20′s. And more importantly in the backs,around 28/29 is where players start losing their explosiveness,speed-physical gifts that set them apart.After that they have to refine their game to a more allrounded approach but usually sacrificing the ability to be a genuine linebreaking threat or finisher etc
They play a safe,less mistake,kick oriented/set up phase type of game. But a team especially in backs cant operate and hope to win championships with a team full of such players. One can teach the skills refinement but one catch teach talent,physical attributes which in conjunction with precision coaching gives one something close to total package.Now with Lions letting go of junior bok talent like the 1.91m 91 kgs Wandile Mjekevu,its doesnt say much for building a championship side.
Because CC win or not this current side is derilinct of top tier talent and more specifically quality depth to maintain challenge. They will have to play above themselves again & hope for no injuries-& looking at some of the players they have in squad who are extremely injury prone-that is unlikely to happen.
AA/BEE whatever,I said this ages ago regarding Mjekevu & it happened.I knew this was going to happen & individuals were going to quote “troublemaking” blah bs when there has been little to no evidence of any.
I cried foul when Lions went to sleep also on Gerhard Vosloo a few years back who was 10 times better than most of the loosies that proceeded to play for Lions.So please just because I believe Mjekevu is a PREMIER talent,which he is and should be afforded the same profile as many who have same talents some even less yet are rated highly & spoken about in high regard on these forums.It influences public perception.
Mjekevu can play,if Sharks sign him-he will be a superstar.Above likes of Hollenbach,Killian,van Rensburg who while being decent professional players-i dont think have the talent to be internationals. Mjekevu can be a Bok with right opportunities given not sitting playing u21 after **** Muir clearly saw something special.He is also an former head boy at one of the most respected schools in SA,KES and always shown leadership characteristics.now he is branded a “troublemaker”.
What BS.
6 Dec 2011, 12:32 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-63: Wonder how many trees were wasted
6 Dec 2011, 12:33 pm
@Ryan(Ryan)-66: ahhh, so you listened to hearsay and you put it in print as FACT without checking with Divvy? serves you right, now you look like a churlish & defensive poehpol
6 Dec 2011, 12:33 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-69: You first have to build a stable side with an experienced core around which you introduce the youngsters.
6 Dec 2011, 12:34 pm
Jon, even though I agree with most of these and one has to admit this article reeks of the obvious, but to award “Flop of the Year” to Steyn is simply ridiculous. He had the best kicking record of any flyhalf in this year’s world cup with a kicking percentage of 85% compared to Carter’s 67% and Wilko’s 50%. He missed a few tackles against Wales but surely this award should go to Quade Cooper who self destructed spectacularly. Butch is a great player and his case as 1st choice is a strong one but to knock Steyn in this manner is does not reflect well on this site.
6 Dec 2011, 12:35 pm
Thank goodness these awards dont actually count for anything!
Remember guys – those “dimwits in denial” are the same guys reading this site, posting comments and having to put up with your dodgy offerings as “journalism”.
We all know that you guys:
- hate PDivvy
- Luuuurve the ABs
- Have an agenda to back Butch
So some of the “awards” are not surprising.
No matter who Bok coach is or who the players are that we may or may not agree with – we support the Boks and wish them well. Dont forget that when you act all superior.
6 Dec 2011, 12:36 pm
@cane(cane)-64: @David(David)-62:
6 Dec 2011, 12:36 pm
Even Murray Deaker – doyen of NZ sports commentators reckoned on his radio show that the boks were “robbed blind’ in that quarter final. The Boks dominated the Aussies completely way more than the kiwis did, and even despite the fact tthat Pocock was allowed to steal the ball metres from the line on numerous occasions was not penalised or yellow carded, but for some dumb luck on the part of the Aussies the Boks could still have scored two or three tries. There was only one try scored by a side in the knock out stages so no attackiing rugby from anyone..
it would have been very interesting to see how a very ordinary All Black side would have coped with the Boks in the semi? They were definitely good enough to win the cup despite selection issues. we will never know cos that quarter final was decided by the ref. .
The French should have won the final Mcawa was given way too much leewayin semis and final
6 Dec 2011, 13:08 pm
@willievz(willievz)-65: @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-69: @>^..^< katman(katman)-60: talking about the ages of players…
Macqueen: Out with the old
Tuesday, 6 December 2011 7:53 a.m.
The only coach to lead the Wallabies to success over the British Lions has urged current mentor Robbie Deans to pension off players approaching their use-by date well before the tourists’ visit in 2013.
Rod Macqueen was the architect of Australia’s 2-1 series win over the Lions in 2001, leading a relatively new-look side after shedding several players who were part of the 1999 World Cup-winning team.
He is confident Deans can emulate that 2001 success with one caveat – ageing players must be shown the door next year.
“We let a lot of players go a year before knowing that the Lions series was on in 2001,” Macqueen said.
“Halfway through the year players like (Tim) Horan, (Jason) Little and (David) Wilson were let go early knowing we had to play some other players in their place and have them ready for the next year.”
“That is something we’re going to need to think about next year.”
“We need to make sure we have those players ready because that’s going to be our main next goal, to be successful against the Lions.”
While the Wallabies backline is young, several forwards are on the wrong side of 30 or will be by the time the Lions arrive.
They may be shown the door if Deans is to blood new players ahead of rugby’s biggest challenge outside of a World Cup.
Those in his sights will no doubt include former skipper Rocky Elsom (currently 28), Cliffy Palu (29), Nathan Sharpe (33), Radike Samo (35) and Dan Vickerman (32).
But while he is advocating change, Macqueen believes there is enough talent and depth in Australian rugby to ensure the Wallabies will mount a serious challenge to the Lions.
“With our new crop of young players we will be pretty well placed,” he declared.
“I expect it will be a very competitive and closely fought series.”
6 Dec 2011, 13:17 pm
Have to agree, it’s pretty disappointing to see Morne Steyn being awarded a “Flop of the year” title in the name of pushing a keo.co.za affiliated product.
6 Dec 2011, 13:19 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-77: Interesting with reference to suggestions that some of the Bok players were too old for the World Cup in 2011 and that it was too late to let them go.
Such decisions should have been made in 2009, and the success of the Boks against the Lions and in the Tri-Nations ensured that players that were probably considering retiring, stayed on longer than they should have.
6 Dec 2011, 13:23 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-72:
Agreed but that isnt what Im referring to in the post.Secondly too often in SA do we use that “experience” terminology to validate mediocrity. Our rugby culture hardly ever embraces confident talented players especially young ones.Israel Dagg would be “refined” to present day Conrad Jantjes in this country.
6 Dec 2011, 13:26 pm
@Ryan(Ryan)-66: Don’t they just?
It was stupid of Butchie to tell you something that had yet to occur.
it was even dumber of you to print it as fact.
Get the point I’m making??
6 Dec 2011, 13:27 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-78:
Only in JC’s world can the top point scorer from the RWC be the flop of the year…
6 Dec 2011, 13:33 pm
@eleph(eleph)-76:
hold on now.
what do you mean by only one try scored in the knockout stages?
sure it wasn’t a try fest of ‘running rugby’ but i remember more than just one try.
two tries in the final.
quite a few in the runner up final.
and at least one or two in the two semi’s between them.
not to mention the quarters?
unless i’m misunderstanding your post?
6 Dec 2011, 13:34 pm
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-79: too true
and when the 2010 season started and I said this was a watershed year for bok rugby as that was when the big calls had to be made, I was called a drama queen….
En kyk hoe lyk ons nou
6 Dec 2011, 13:35 pm
next Bok Coach has a blank canvas…….
Gonna be farken interesting
6 Dec 2011, 13:38 pm
Canberra – Jake White has revealed that new Australia cricket coach Mickey Arthur helped convince him to take up his post at the Brumbies.
Speaking to the Rugby Heaven website, White revealed how he had consulted Arthur before his appointment.
“I don’t think he ever thought he’d be coaching Australia in cricket. I asked him a lot about Australia before I moved here,” White said.
“And he said: ‘Jake, the one thing about this place is they share their knowledge, they’re open to ideas and players like to be coached.’ He said it was a great environment to bring out the best in yourself … I may not have international exposure but there’s a lot more opportunity for me to develop myself as a coach.”
White admitted that he had learned a few things in Australia and had already picked the brains of some of the country’s top coaches.
“I read Ric Charlesworth’s book (former Australia hockey player and performance consultant) and since I’ve been here I’ve had meetings with Bill Sweetenham (former British and Australia swimming coach),” he says. ”I’ve had meetings with Ricky Stuart (rugby league coach). Kevin Sheedy (Australian Rules coach) is going to be coming to Canberra and I went down to Melbourne and met Craig Bellamy (rugby league coach).”
White also enthused about the mindset of Australian sportsmen.
“Australians have got an unbelievable work ethic in sport. When you look at their achievements in sport it is phenomenal. I just thought that this was the one country where I could develop as a coach.”
White will apply the same coaching philosophy at the Brumbies as he did as a Springbok coach to transform them into Super Rugby contenders.
“We started at the Boks with nobody and we were sixth in the world,” he said. The Brumbies are 13th out of 15, we’ve lost about eight Wallabies. But I don’t see it as doom and gloom … I mean, six of the starting pack that I ever played in my first game as coach of South Africa went on to play in the World Cup final.”
6 Dec 2011, 13:39 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-82: One can only imagine the type of rugby that goes on in JC’s brain. Old Captain Hindsight is on a whole ‘nother level here.
6 Dec 2011, 13:42 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-82: I was wondering if you were referring to Gert Smal when you posted your list of attributes a month or so ago.
Looks like you may be right.
What are your thoughts on Gert as a coach?
6 Dec 2011, 13:44 pm
I am slowly but surely warming up to the idea of Gert Smal as HC
6 Dec 2011, 13:49 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-88:
Indeed.
In truth I am not sure how I feel about Smal as possible coach.
What I have heard is that he is one of the most respected coaches out there by both players and peers. He does not take **** either.
If Gert is the man, his support staff is going to be crucial.
What I like about Gert is that he has broadened his vision as a coach by coaching in the UK (Ire) for a couple of years now – he is not bogged down by a typical SA way of doing things.
That for me counts for the most.
Add the fact that he has coached at basically all levels of rugby with success at those levels for over a decade now, and you get a guy that knows how to get a job done.
Can he work with the clowns in SA Rugby? I don’t know. but then who can?
6 Dec 2011, 13:53 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-90: Do you have any clue who he would choose as his assistants if he were to end up Bok coach?
6 Dec 2011, 13:54 pm
@grant10(grant10)-84:
come now granty, when the maid switches your bubble bath from pink to blue its a ‘watershed moment’…that’s because you are a drama queen.
maybe if you didn’t cry wolf at every little rubber ducky that surprised you in the tub we’d all have more reason to believe you when the moment trully calls for it.
use it, don’t use it…
ai tog…kyk hoe lyk ons nou werklik….
6 Dec 2011, 13:55 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-91:
No idea.
Since he has not been coaching in SA it will be impossible to say, but don’t discount Gert teaming up with Allister again.
6 Dec 2011, 13:55 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-90: Thanks for that. I agree with you, it’s in the structures and the reporting that he will have to go through. I hope he’s clever enough to accept on the condition that they allow him greater control over the process.
Any sporting appointment in SA cannot be seen without the political context unfortunately, and to the detriment of the game ultimately.
6 Dec 2011, 13:57 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-94:
Gert has been there before, he knows how SA Rugby operates, if he is offered the job and takes it I am sure it will be on his terms.
6 Dec 2011, 13:58 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-91:
I have also heard a birdie whisper that some inquiries have been made around a certain Bulls coach in a possible assistant role…
6 Dec 2011, 14:05 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-80: Personally, I like how Rassie went about it. He stablised the squad, got them believing in themselves, brought through the youngsters and quickly discarded the initial necessary journeymen.
Let’s see what happens with the Lions next year
6 Dec 2011, 14:06 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-96: I thought we were going for the best of the best here?
6 Dec 2011, 14:08 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-96: Peter Roussouw? Wouldn’t surprise me given that he and Carel handed Pieter his Bok cap back in ’97.
6 Dec 2011, 14:08 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-98:
Haha, ouch.
6 Dec 2011, 14:08 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-77:
OZ team for the future?? next 18 months??
1.Robinson 2.Moore 3.Alexander 4.Horwill(c) 5.Simmons 6.Higginbotham 7.Pocock 8.McAlman
9.Genia 10.Cooper 11.Ioane 12.O’Connor 13.Ashley-Cooper 14.Mitchell 15.Beale
Boks -next 12-18 months
1.Beast 2.Bismark 3.Oosthuizen 4.Smith 5.Bekker 6.Brussow 7.Burger(c) 8.Alberts
9,Hougaard 10.Jantjes 11.Mvovo 12.F.Steyn 13.de Jongh 14.JP 15.Lambie
All Blacks -next 12-18 months
1.B.Franks 2.Mealamu/Hore?? 3.O.Franks 4.Whitelock 5.Boric 6.Kaino 7.McCaw(c) 8.Read
9.Weepu 10.Carter 11.SBW/Gear 12.Nonu 13.Kahui/Smith 14.Jane 15.Dagg
6 Dec 2011, 14:31 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-69: Man, you’re so full of **** it’s not funny. You’re trying to make some point about the limitations of this “aging” backline, but it seems you don’t know your disadvantaged arse from your disenfranchised elbow. Let me fill you in on the ages of all the players mentioned on this thread:
Taute: 20
Jantjies: 21
Mapoe: 23
Murray: 25
Bondesio: 26
Hollenbach: 26
Des Fountain: 26
Kamana: 26
Killian: 28
Rensburg: 29
La Grange: 30
That’s an average age of 25.4 with only one player hitting 30, and only just. Add to this the Cronje twins (22) and the Moolman brothers (21 and 20), and your argument starts looking a little thin, wouldn’t you say?
6 Dec 2011, 14:36 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-96:
when you say coach do you mean ludeke?
because he is the coach.
or do you mean meyer?
because he is the dor and not the coach.
anyway i dont think meyer will take an assistant job, why should he?
and ludeke is not going to be let go from the bulls now imo.
also, it was stated here earlier about an article stating that saru said the coach was not going to be one of the super rugby coaches.
6 Dec 2011, 14:41 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-96:
or are you perhaps referring to rossouw?
because he is an assistant coach.
6 Dec 2011, 14:51 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-104: Smal head coach, Ludeke assistant + AN Other with Meyer taking charge of the Bulls again temporarily. That’s one potential scenario.
6 Dec 2011, 14:55 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-102:
Not at all
More than half of that backline is over the age of 25 & as i said in Murray,Mapoe,Hollenbach,Des Fountain,Kamana you have a core which is very injury prone thus is unlikely to go season without reasonable amount of time in sidelines.Some of them have played so sporadically over the last 2-3 years they are unlikely to shake off such major injuries completely. For one Murray isnt the player he was at the Sharks-lost speed aplenty.Same with Hollenbach from the 20 year old who won CC with Cheetahs.Injuries mate.
And then in Killian.van Rensburg,La Grange-an ageing core.At over 28 one is entering downside of their career-barring a few special players.These guys arent special players.
Bandesio is an average player,much in the JP Joubert mould.A try hard but lacks real quality
That leaves Taute & Jantjies-Those 2 are the prized posessions at the Lions.Real quality and also age is on their side. Hopefully Mapoe shakes off the injury bug then he will be able to reach his full potential maybe.
The quality & depth of squad is questionable include as i said to prospensity of a reasonable portion of squad to injury & ageing backbone of average quality then you have my point.
Add the fact that the Lions have the smallest squad contracted in comparison to other teams then you also maybe would get what im saying.
(Cronje twins-ex Michaelhouse boys are dead average,dont know abot Moolman’s will keep an eye out)
DIsadvantage/disenfranchise that.
6 Dec 2011, 15:04 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-106: No amount of spin and weaseling will make you look credible here. That backline, in terms of age and experience, is probably about as well balanced as you could possibly hope for.
“And then in Killian.van Rensburg,La Grange-an ageing core” – What does that even mean? You’ve just cherry picked the three oldest guys in the backline and now you’re trying to pass off some half-arsed “core” theory.
Or are you saying that every team with a backline that has one 30 year old and two guys in their late 20′s has no chance? Because that’s what it sounds like from here.
You’re just clutching at straws in the hope of sounding like some kind of “rugby expert”. Not really working though, is it?
6 Dec 2011, 15:06 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-106: Oh, and first the “core” consists of Murray, Mapoe, Hollenbach, Des Fountain and Kamana, and it’s an injury prone core.
Then the “core” consists of Killian, van Rensburg and La Grange, and it’s an aging core.
Do you even know what you mean?
6 Dec 2011, 15:14 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-108:
Rugby expert or not
The evidence is there.
How much rugby have Murray,Mapoe,Hollenbach,Des Fountain,Kamana played over the last 2 years? Are they not injury prone?
Killian,van Rensburg,Doppies are have probably been the most consistent playing wise thus have played majority of the games.They are in the late 20′s,1 is 30
That is your 2/3rds of the backline,thus the core of Lions backline(slection & otherwise)
That backline you call balance? age & experience…how about in terms of quality? Not so much
6 Dec 2011, 15:17 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-109: Why don’t you save it for next year, bud, No one likes a know-it-all so close to Christmas.
6 Dec 2011, 15:18 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-105:
what makes him in any way better placed to be the head coach of the boks?
he was an ASSISTANT with the boks during which time they won 1 tri nations on points difference and 1 wc that featured fiji, england and argentina in the knockouts.
won two measly cc’s with wp.
barely made a super semi with the stormers
and is now a forwards coach (does he still have that job? or has he moved on?).
what qualifies him to be head coach and ludeke and meyer to be his assistants?
.
6 Dec 2011, 15:24 pm
Wazup swamp donkeys!!
Ryan, I’d have Victor up there alongside Richie as a true legend of the game.
6 Dec 2011, 15:27 pm
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-109:
Hmmmm……. mr smartie pants, don’t seem so sure of your facts if they are really just opinions.
Yes, it is a free country and you are entitled to your wrong opinion.
6 Dec 2011, 15:29 pm
“disenfranchised elbow” LOL
6 Dec 2011, 15:31 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-111: No man. Get Meyer out of your head. In the scenario I envisaged Meyer would resume head coach role at the Bulls. He’s not interested in working with the Boks.
On whether Smal is good enough. Listen, they’re not exactly queueing up for this one.
6 Dec 2011, 15:32 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-115:
You can write that on your fat hairy tummy, James Small will never coach the Boks. Ever. Get over it.
6 Dec 2011, 15:32 pm
@Helen(Helen)-112: hello Dahlink!
6 Dec 2011, 15:35 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-117:
Helllooooo sweetie…. whats been happening on keo lately. I feel like a stranger here. Have there been any meltdowns worth mentioning?
6 Dec 2011, 15:37 pm
@Helen(Helen)-118: Just the usual. Where you been?
6 Dec 2011, 15:39 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-119:
Thailand, Ukraine and Philipines if you have to know.
Do Lnagers, ET and Poopface still visit here?
6 Dec 2011, 15:42 pm
@Helen(Helen)-116: Gert Smal lovey.
6 Dec 2011, 15:45 pm
@Helen(Helen)-120: I don’t have to know. Just being polite really.
Poops has been around, ET made a brief appearance but we ignored him and Shaunie hasn’t been by. I think he may be in jail.
I hope you got Virgin air miles for those trips.
6 Dec 2011, 15:55 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-122:
you are very snaaks.
helly belly doesnt fly lala class on beardy business.
6 Dec 2011, 15:56 pm
okay….
This is my take…
rather Smal than AC…
rATHER ac THAN hEYNEKE [ SORRY, I CANT GET OVER THAT SPIES AS CAPITANO MOVE
AND RATHER MITCHELL OR MALLET OVER THEM BOTH BUT SEEMS IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN.
SO THERE
Fark…sorry caps HELEN
6 Dec 2011, 16:05 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-122: are you saying helen gropes male flight attendants?
6 Dec 2011, 16:06 pm
@grant10(grant10)-124:
6 Dec 2011, 16:08 pm
so….in order of preference……for me
Mitchell
Mallet
Smal
AC
meyer.
6 Dec 2011, 16:10 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-115:
fair enough, but i was under the impression that saru were not interested in a queue forming, this time round?
yes meyer is in my head but i also dont think he can be completely ruled out, regardless.
if this is the case and saru don’t want a queue then why not headhunt him as coach and smal as assistant (if heyneke wanst him, which i dont think he does)?
i’m just trying to say that smal gets far more ‘aura’ than he deserves.
6 Dec 2011, 16:12 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat)-121:
Yusslaaik tart, now you changing your tune and want Gert Smal in the job!!!! make up your mind, blowfish!
6 Dec 2011, 16:13 pm
@grant10(grant10)-127:
how many losses does it take in the super 15 before a hero becomes a zero for you grant?
just out of interest?
is it 5 or 10 or 15 in a row?
6 Dec 2011, 16:13 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-122:
fARK SORRY CAPS………
If JAMES SMall COCHES THe Boks, I Will SUPPPOrt Gambia!!
Howzit Grantie? Still twisting your knickers?
6 Dec 2011, 16:20 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-125:
nice one…
about that chick, i would give her one, or maybe two, solid roll around sessions given the opportunity. shame, we’re all human and have needs, man
6 Dec 2011, 16:23 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-125:
Yes, but I am a lady, so I always allow them to grope back.
As for the males, not a chance!
6 Dec 2011, 16:23 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-132:
You’ll give me one!! Really?
Are you talking inches?
6 Dec 2011, 16:38 pm
@Helen(Helen)-134:
sorry no, i was referring to that poor girl who got into trouble for groping a male steward while drunk
its been in the papers and is what transie was hinting at.
6 Dec 2011, 16:38 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-123: who is this Don “corleone: Mcintonsh chap? last week he told us Gerald knows fokkol about corporate governance so he wasn’t “dishonest” in taking a bonus, now Gerald tells us Don came up with the numbers!
Cricket SA (CSA) chief executive Gerald Majola says his contentious bonus after the IPL series in 2009 was determined by CSA operations officer Don McIntosh.
“Mr McIntosh [determined my bonus], and his own bonus as well,” Majola told a ministerial inquiry into CSA’s affairs in Pretoria.
“Mr McIntosh did a full schedule, including his [bonus] which I accepted as well. I never discussed mine as it’s very difficult to discuss your own bonus.” Majola took the stand for the first time in the inquiry into bonuses paid to staff after the CSA hosted the Indian Premier League.
He said the contract signed for the event was exactly the same as the one used for hosting other ICC events.
Don McIntosh, CSA’s operations officer, was the tournament director for the IPL, Majola said.
He fulfilled the same role in the 2007 Twenty20 World Cup held in South Africa and, given the short notice for the IPL, they agreed to apply the same terms and conditions.
Majola said they used the same principle for determining bonuses as the one applied in previous tournaments.
“The tournament director is more senior when it comes to that [bonuses] and depending on work done he uses a ‘multiples’ guide,” said Majola.
“He got more than me on other tournaments but on this one [IPL], I did more work than him.”
Committee chairman Judge Chris Nicholson pushed Majola on why he had written a letter to McIntosh on July 16, 2009 telling him, “we have managed to negotiate with the IPL to pay you a special discretionary bonus for your contribution” to the IPL.
Majola said he had no recollection of the letter but each member of staff would have received the same letter if they received a bonus.
6 Dec 2011, 16:41 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-135: hehehe
now you’re retreating hahahaha
6 Dec 2011, 16:42 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-136:
don’t you love it.
the “operations officer” decided what his bonsella would be.
“it’s very difficult to discuss your own bonus”
that’s because a renumeration committee is supposed to do that.
WTF does mshinishini write his press releases?
6 Dec 2011, 16:43 pm
@Helen(Helen)-134:
holihah.
poor boy is going to have to sit down for a while.
that didn’t go well at all.
6 Dec 2011, 16:44 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-136: In a nutshell, Don told Gerald and Gerald told Don that they were divvying up the loot. As far as they were concerned, they had told people. Can’t understand the outcry now.
6 Dec 2011, 16:54 pm
Gert Smal has served his apprenticeships, been head coach and has good results. He deserves the post.
6 Dec 2011, 16:54 pm
@Helen(Helen)-131: If James coached the boks he’d get over-excited with all those lovely white lines on the field.
He wouldn’t know where to start…..
6 Dec 2011, 16:56 pm
Ah James Smal. An ar-se of a person and one helluva rugby player. He combined wonderfully with Joubie.
6 Dec 2011, 16:58 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-138: ja nee, one would think the fact that the “re” in remco stands for “remuneration” would be a dead giveaway that they are tasked to oversee issues of compensation nc nc nc.
these okes need to be fired, i mean, relieved of their duties, ALL OF THEM.
6 Dec 2011, 17:02 pm
Smal or AC i reckon….
6 Dec 2011, 17:03 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-143: That’s not all of Jouba’s that he combined well with if rumours are to be believed,….
6 Dec 2011, 17:03 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-144: agreed
farkem
6 Dec 2011, 17:04 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-144: You mean suspended? On full pay of course….
6 Dec 2011, 17:04 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-144:
indeed.
firing squad.
at dawn.
with the arms deal dudes.
6 Dec 2011, 17:05 pm
@grant10(grant10)-145: I’ve warmed up to Smal. AC is doing a good job with the Stormers, Meyer & Ludeke with the Bulls, Naka with the Cheetahs, Solomons with the Kings, and Kiwi bullet head with the Lions. Plum is well Plum. We have good coaches at provincial level amongst most provinces for the first time in a couple of decades. Bringing in a good coach like Smal at national level provides continuity below and gives us a stronger base from which to work in the future.
6 Dec 2011, 17:06 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-146: Doesn’t bother me in the slightest
6 Dec 2011, 17:09 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-151: He was a great wing for a few years there. Had that Killer instinct.
6 Dec 2011, 17:11 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-152: I’ll never forget one moment against the Aussies in the ’97 thrashing. Joubie launched a magical counter-attack from his 22. He beat countless defenders, passed to Smal who had a magical run of his own to the tryline. Fantastically creative player.
Joubie, Smal and Williams were our best post-isolation back 3 imo.
6 Dec 2011, 17:13 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-149: um, “arms deal dudes” if you can point ‘em hehe maybe we’ll shoot ‘em
6 Dec 2011, 17:13 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-153:
Chesters intelligent support lines and work rate have also been the best for a Bok wing post isolation.
6 Dec 2011, 17:15 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-153: Yes for sure, but for me the magic was created by Jouba. He had a class about him that was amazing.
Used to be able to glide into space at blistering pace.
I’ll never forget a Baba’s game with Tony Underwood playing.
Jouba joined the line and put his foot down. When he looked left to pass out to his wing he’d outrun him by about 5 meters. Underwood just couldn’t keep up.
6 Dec 2011, 17:16 pm
things that make you go hhmm
MIA SWART: Time for whites to take their protest public
White South Africans seem too timid, inhibited or complacent to raise their voices or to stamp their feet.
Published: 2011/12/02 07:45:50 AM
BY APPEALING against his suspension from the African National Congress, Julius Malema showed that he will not lie down. Like a phoenix he is bound to rise again. Malema’s reckless statements have often done nothing but infuriate. But he has made constructive statements too. A few years ago, he said that white South Africans do not march. He was referring to the fact that white South Africans do not join in large numbers when significant historical events are commemorated. During Human Rights Day or Youth Day celebrations one sees few white faces. The same is true during political protests.
There is clearly no culture of protest among white South Africans. With few exceptions white South Africans don’t protest. The Black Sash was a notable exception. From the mid-1950s, white middle-class women who were members of the movement demonstrated against discriminatory legislation such as the pass laws by marches, demonstrations and vigils. To show their disapproval they stood outside public buildings, defiantly wearing their black sashes.
White South Africans generally watch and criticise black South Africans who protest for political and economic rights from the safety of their living rooms. Whites may sign internet petitions from the safe isolation of their homes and offices, but are reluctant to march. White South Africans are more likely to show up en masse for rugby matches or U2 concerts than to defend their civil rights or the civil rights of their compatriots.
It is difficult to argue that there is anything good about the passing of the “secrecy bill” last week. But this bill did have a few illuminating side-effects: it starkly showed alliances and allegiances (also in the ANC); it demonstrated the power of politics (stronger than the power of business or the courts); it finally shook many out of their self-satisfied states of complacency; and it finally inspired black and white to protest side by side.
The protests outside Parliament and Luthuli House were significant acts of social engagement and protest. But in light of the bill’s potentially democracy- destroying nature, one would have expected many more to join in. From what I could gather, the protests seemed a bit too orderly, a tad too tame. In October I attended a social justice protest on Rabin Square in Tel Aviv. Thirty thousand people gathered to object to economic policies that ordinary Israelis find oppressive. Protesters chanted slogans with a revolutionary rhythm until late in the night. The atmosphere was electric.
Just months before 350000 protesters gathered in Tel Aviv during the Occupy Tel Aviv protest.
This has been the year of protests. Even more dramatic than the protests organised by the Occupy Wall Street movement across the globe, the protest on Tahrir Square will be remembered as symbolic of the Arab Spring and the Egyptian Revolution. The intensity and scale of the protests remind one of the words of Victor Hugo, that there is nothing as powerful as an idea whose time has come.
More than 50000 protesters occupied Tahrir Square when the protests started on January 25. Al Jazeera reported that by February 1 more than 1-million protesters had peacefully gathered in and around the square. This protest was recently revived by Egyptians protesting against the interim military rulers. These protesters are persevering in spite of efforts by the security forces and police to dismantle them. Referring to the crackdown on protesters protesting as part of the Occupy movement in the US, Naomi Klein wrote that the Occupy protesters are coming closer to their brothers and sisters in Tahrir Square.
Protesting can have a certain pretentious see-and-be-seen quality. But protesting Egyptian style is far from glamorous. It means persevering in spite of bad weather and tear gas. It means camping outside for weeks.
White South Africans should be inspired by the global protests and march en masse . Ironically it is this kind of mass mobilisation that will help break down barriers between black and white, create a sense of identification and perhaps reduce paranoia in our government.
White South Africans seem too timid, inhibited or complacent to raise their voices or to stamp their feet. Passionately joining in protests is the most appropriate response to the passing of the secrecy bill. And in the spirit of Tahrir Square, one would hope that South Africans will soon march not just for themselves but also for their neighbours in Zimbabwe.
• Swart is an assistant professor at Leiden University.
6 Dec 2011, 17:17 pm
@David(David)-155: And man oh man, that man could tackle.
Hard as nails.
6 Dec 2011, 17:18 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-137:
she’s a livewire that one..
6 Dec 2011, 17:25 pm
The new coach should rope in Jubbie as a consultant.
Yes, Chester was fantastic. The Boks were blessed with first him and then Pieter.
6 Dec 2011, 17:38 pm
Fairness is relative – Majola
{{ ” Cricket SA (CSA) chief executive Gerald Majola said fairness was relative with regard to the distribution of bonuses after the successful hosting of the IPL in 2009.
Majola was speaking after he was questioned on his understanding of fairness when he and Don McIntosh, the Indian Premier League tournament director, received more than two-thirds of the pool of money meant for bonuses.
“Fairness is relative. Fairness is if I am happy to pay you for the job you have done,” Majola told a ministerial inquiry in Pretoria on Tuesday.
“In my view, if the people who authorised these payments thought the people who got this money deserved it, then it was fair.”
Earlier, Majola denied that he had not disclosed the bonuses to CSA’s board members.
“I was totally convinced at the time, as it was common practice to do it this way, that I had disclosed properly when I did.
“I was later advised that this had to be disclosed in terms of Section 234 of the Companies’ Act. I had absolutely no idea of the format set-out in that act and I am the first one to admit that I did not disclose this as the act required me to.”
Majola said he disclosed the bonuses to a members’ forum meeting and told the CSA board.
“I have already informed the board of receiving the bonuses and it has been disclosed in our documents for anybody who wants to see the documents.
“So, I had disclosed that I was going to receive a bonus at two meetings — the members’ meeting with the shareholders and the second one which is the board.”
Majola told the committee the bonus he received was determined by former CSA operations officer Don McIntosh.
“Mr McIntosh [determined my bonus], and his own bonus as well,” Majola said.
“Mr McIntosh did a full schedule, including his [bonus] which I accepted as well. I never discussed mine as it’s very difficult to discuss your own bonus.”
Majola took the stand for the first time in the inquiry into bonuses paid to staff after the CSA hosted the IPL. He said the contract signed for the event was exactly the same as the one used for hosting other International Cricket Council events.
McIntosh, CSA’s operations officer, was the tournament director for the IPL, Majola said.
He fulfilled the same role in the 2007 Twenty20 World Cup held in South Africa. Given the short notice for the IPL, they agreed to apply the same terms and conditions. Majola said they used the same principle for determining bonuses as the one applied in previous tournaments.
“The tournament director is more senior when it comes to that [bonuses] and depending on work done he uses a ‘multiples’ guide,” said Majola.
“He got more than me on other tournaments, but on this one [IPL], I did more work than him.”
Committee chairman Judge Chris Nicholson pushed Majola on why he had written a letter to McIntosh on July 16, 2009 telling him, “we have managed to negotiate with the IPL to pay you a special discretionary bonus for your contribution” to the IPL.
Majola said he had no recollection of the letter, but said each member of staff would have received the same letter if they received a bonus. – Sapa }}
‘FAIRNESS’ is only and especially relative when you are truly caught wiith the cookies and the jar in your effin hands Gerald, but do not despair as Transie has been your best supporter until just about now.
6 Dec 2011, 17:47 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-144:
How more effin fake and false can you still get?
Just about 35-40 days ago when I brought this hideous crime against humanity to these Keo pages you were arrogantly hedging your bets on Majola upstaging Nyoka even as pathetic as that notion is. Now you appear to be doing a full 180 degrees as the drip, drip, drip of lies,lies,lies exposes your arrogant stupidity.
Do not even bother to answer but keep looking, especially now, over your shoulder.
Time is tight foor the arrogant ‘blacks’.
6 Dec 2011, 17:54 pm
Only jail time of 20 years or more will stop this stealing of money from those who really need it. In this instance it is the cricket development of those who have been long denied that is losing out and suffering.
CSA has as its MAIN TASK the development and progress of ALL cricket in the country. Everyone but these skunks and their arrogant supporters know exactly where those areas are? And it is not in bank accounts of out and out thieves.
6 Dec 2011, 17:55 pm
E ‘ad nauseum’ T is in town… thread ended…
6 Dec 2011, 18:13 pm
Entertaining the thought of Smal as head coach, I would actually personally love Naka or Plumtree to be considered for forwards coach, AC/Pieter as backline coaching options…
Then a host of specialist backroom consultants to fill in the gaps.
6 Dec 2011, 18:17 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-165:
I thought the Keo bloggers provide the specialist backroom consultants and experts.
6 Dec 2011, 18:25 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-165: Or what about leaving the provincial/franchise head coaches in place and employing one of the specialist forwards coaches (eg the Stormers’ or the Bulls’) ? It would minimise disruption.
6 Dec 2011, 18:26 pm
@David(David)-166: Many here are experts in the arts of the backroom
6 Dec 2011, 18:43 pm
@David(David)-166:
Of course! Silly of me!
@Michael(mikeybrass)-167:
Do you know who the Bulls forwards coach is?
6 Dec 2011, 18:59 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-169: I wish I did. It was ol’ Pote Human a few years back, in 2007 when they fluked the win. I dunno who it is now and Google isn’t revealing.
6 Dec 2011, 19:07 pm
Damn and blast I thought this thread was about us!
The real award winners!
6 Dec 2011, 19:11 pm
And then you have to scrooooooollllllll past protesting whites and cricket kuk.
6 Dec 2011, 19:12 pm
And have the chinless wonder JC call us dimwits.
6 Dec 2011, 19:14 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-173: Irony has a name. It’s JC.
6 Dec 2011, 19:14 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-170:
Johann van Graan.
6 Dec 2011, 19:18 pm
Keo’s elves.
Twats.
6 Dec 2011, 19:19 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-157:
I am far too busy working to pay for the christmas bonsella of maevis to contemplate about protesting.
Anyway everything is apartheid’s fault and all whites were to blame for that so what’s the point?
6 Dec 2011, 19:21 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-175: Thanks
All will be revealed in the New Year. Grantie will either need a valium or a 999 rescue call.
6 Dec 2011, 19:24 pm
How come extraball never updates how he is enjoying his vakansie
Just wheedles on about majola
We invented corruption! We wrote the book!
6 Dec 2011, 19:50 pm
And just this afternoon I was telling Hellen that ET has been scarce and lo and behold he pops up like a bad penny.
There goes the neighbouhood.
6 Dec 2011, 19:59 pm
Oh well he seem to have vanished into the ether.
6 Dec 2011, 20:04 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-179:
Sometimes I get the impression that ET is one of those “coloureds” who was only against apartheid because it applied to him.
6 Dec 2011, 20:14 pm
It didn’t apply to him he high-tailed it outta here ’87 or thereabout.
6 Dec 2011, 20:41 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-183:
Off course it applied to him.
6 Dec 2011, 21:17 pm
How. He adopted a struggle that didn’t belong to him, he grew up well off and educated, now it’s his mission in his useless life to **** out whites and act like a washed-out commie, while all the time slagging of others as being stupid and worthless.
6 Dec 2011, 21:55 pm
@gunther: rubbish man, how much can Maevis’ bonus be that you can’t go protest when the ANC want to legalise hiding their clandestine & nefarious activities?
It’s strange when people think patriotism is supporting the boks but not standing up for ANYTHING else that happens in the country. Maybe posting one’s grievances on a blog/news24/twitter/facebook is the new toyi-toyi!
6 Dec 2011, 22:07 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-186: buddy when the whiteys start to protest then get your family out.
because it will be too late.
6 Dec 2011, 22:11 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-186: and you and i both know that its not as easy as you paint i dont we?
any mass movement by whites would be seen/painted as a resurgence of white nationalism etc etc etc racism etc etc naughty naughty etc etc.
whereas we find it absolutely amazing that black people are willing to fight wars and protest against white rule but sit with their fingers up their arses when it is a d ar kie ******** them just as badly eg. mugabe, zuma and every other post white leader in africa barring the leadership of Bots MAYBE.
whats with that you da r kies?
6 Dec 2011, 22:17 pm
Out of order, Rangerman.
6 Dec 2011, 22:20 pm
i get the sense we are dealing with a number of phenomena here:
1. da rki es are very sensitive about the issue of poor/criminal da rkie leadership(rightly so but it may just be the worst thing that could happen to said d a rkies)
2. around 60% of the people in south africa genuinly believe the govt has their best interest at heart, 95% of that group are da rkie s these days. i find this as hilarious as the FOUR blue light convoys i passed in the space of 2 mins outside of umhlanga this afternoon.
3. a significant number of d ar kies are dyed in the wool racists and will always be so no matter how many examples they are shown of black corruption (they are mirrored by the white racists but a far larger number as demographics dictates).
what a country, at least the spearfishing is good!
6 Dec 2011, 22:32 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-189: maybe Dawnie and i actually mean no offense honestly.
i actually am so caught up in the conflicts and compromises, contradictions and consequences that have ade our land what it is that i strive for understanding and insight every day.
maybe i come across as harsh but i dont mean to.
btw, i am finishing off a synopsis of south african history from a pretty soft perspective and even then apartheid make me want to be violently sick.
much like what is going on now.
6 Dec 2011, 22:39 pm
poor rangerman, still worried about how he’d be ‘seen/painted’ nc nc nc
what happened to clear articulation of one’s ideas and purpose? Nobody can misconstrue your motives if you’ve made them plain and laid the out, lousy copout.
i guess all these civil wars currently ravaging africa are against ‘white’ regimes
watch this space, the day is going to come for the ‘ruling party’ and it is not too far off too.
6 Dec 2011, 22:39 pm
Understandable, but no “d arkies” please!
6 Dec 2011, 22:39 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-191:
rome wasnt built in a day
still a great country but will take the sustained work of all its people.
hard times and aprthied has been abolished less than 20 years ago… less than a generation. there are still the people that remember living it
give it a chance…if it were easy everyone would be doing it
6 Dec 2011, 22:46 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-192: easy mate, easy.
i couldnt give a toss how you view me.
now get out and take the anc out, god man
@Dawn(Dawn)-193: ag ok, deal.
@man1a(man1a)-194: fair enough. late now so i guess this is a bit pointless. tjorts everyone.
6 Dec 2011, 22:48 pm
Too much for me. Gotta go lie down till feeling passes.
6 Dec 2011, 23:28 pm
‘any movement by whites would be seen/viewed as a resurgence of white nationalism’ really, say who?
Just because you think it Ranger doesn’t mean it is true. You go off rattling percentages that you suck out of your arse about people of colour, have you done a survey or do u work for StatsSA and are privy to people’s submissions about how they think?
A ‘significant number of (people of colour) are dyed in the wool racists’ – um, where’s the proof? More conjencture presented as fact just because Rangerman thought it GTFOH
6 Dec 2011, 23:48 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-186:
Did you take the day off to protest?
Or were you here on keo?
Or is this another dynamic that I don’t understand?
7 Dec 2011, 07:02 am
@Ryan(Ryan)-66:
ryan, for christmas please ask for a shirt with all the required buttons, it was disturbing and annoying to watch you in those videos this yr, btw your voice is flippen annoying and your views on rugby or pretty kak!!!!!
btw u should feel stupid giving this “flop of the yr award” to Morne, you and jc deserve it, and with regards to a rugby player who deserves it, it would have to be Spies, but with you choosing steyn again proves to me and everyone else that you know **** all bout rugby
7 Dec 2011, 07:25 am
@seabiscuit(seabiscuit)-199:
Geez …………..the personal attack is a bit ott don’t you think ??
Agree with you on Spies though !!
7 Dec 2011, 07:30 am
Frans Steyn’s agent, Gerrie Swart, confirmed to the Volksblad newspaper that Steyn is considering a return to South Africa.
“We’re currently looking at options and there are possible shifts back to South Africa,” said Swart, who is currently in France discussing future plans with the Bok centre.
Swart did not reveal what unions in South Africa are after Steyn’s services.
Steyn, who has been out of action since injuring his shoulder in South Africa’s World Cup group-stage win over Samoa, could return to the playing field as early as January.
“They (Racing Metro) are busy rehabilitating him. He has already regained full use of his shoulder and doesn’t feel any pain. So things are at this stage developing better that what we initially expected,” said Swart.
7 Dec 2011, 07:32 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-200:
dont mean it to be personal, fact is he really does need a proper shirt hahaha, but i wont hold back on letting him know how annoying he is
and shot, spies is beyond saving right now, bulls fans are in for a rought yr with a captain who gets hit backwards and cant run straight
7 Dec 2011, 07:33 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-201:
PLZ COME BACK TO THE SHARKS STEYN!!!!!!!
7 Dec 2011, 07:40 am
he has redeemed himself well so far.
7 Dec 2011, 08:21 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-68: Remind me again, who invited you to this discussion? But keep posting, everytime you click submit I get a step closer to my jet ski and Zanzibar getaway.
7 Dec 2011, 08:24 am
Rassie….since you have farked up with the JF deal perhaps you would be so kind as to contact Mr Gerrie Swart regarding F Steyn?
You have to redeem youeself……and F Steyn is the way to go.
7 Dec 2011, 08:25 am
Come to the Stormers Frans!!
Anybody have the training squads of the S.A teams?
7 Dec 2011, 08:26 am
@Ryan(Ryan)-205: Hi Ryan
give them stick kid!!
7 Dec 2011, 08:27 am
So his contract expires next year June right.
7 Dec 2011, 08:36 am
@Ryan(Ryan)-205: You, ever since this was an open forum.
You make money if I click a sponsor’s advert, not when I submit a post, dofus. The latter merely uses up your precious bandwidth. Guess I should IT to your illiteracy.
7 Dec 2011, 09:15 am
@Ryan(Ryan)-205: You are getting your “facts” wrong again
This is an open discussion since you posted nonsense on a public blog.
Don’t be so defensive son. Accept what you did was wrong in the context of your job as a “reporter” and learn from it.
7 Dec 2011, 09:19 am
@Gunther(gunther)-198:
lol @ dynamic
i allowed my sub-ordinates to wear black on the day and those who wanted to protest to go and joing the march.
7 Dec 2011, 09:32 am
@Ryan(Ryan)-205: Your jet ski? Are you perhaps Kenny fckn Powers?
By the way, no one here falls for the “clicks for cash” story. We know you’re just waged labour.
7 Dec 2011, 09:39 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-212:
subordinates
holihah
you let them wear black?
how very big of you.
I am going to submit you for overseer of the year award.
in the spirit of ubuntu I shall let Maevis wear black, although it’s normally verbotten.
7 Dec 2011, 09:41 am
I’ll buy you a jetski Ryan.
will tie you up to it with just rugby’s gimp harness and ball gag.
start the mother up and point it toward argentina.
say hello wave goodbye.
7 Dec 2011, 09:48 am
@Gunther(gunther)-214:
the point of the article was for YOU to join the march not Maevis, i’ve got enough “credit” in terms of attending marches & rallies to last me until lindiwe mazibuko becomes president of the country.
you on the other hand, as the article suggested, are sitting on a deficit. get yourself a good orthopedic surgeon to prescribe the proper running shoes for you and join the toyi-toyi next time!
7 Dec 2011, 09:49 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-213: with a free subscription to SA Rugby mag as part payment.
@Transformation(Transformation)-212: Did you give them the day off or did they have to take “sick leave” like my wekers did?
7 Dec 2011, 09:55 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-217: day off, with benefits..dude this was the “secrecy bill”!!
7 Dec 2011, 09:56 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-217: Free? Do you take keo for Richard Branson? Not free, but a good 25% off. Plus tickets in the keo suite (to games involving the Pumas and Leopards, as well as the Wall & All trophy) plus internet access at work.
7 Dec 2011, 09:56 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-216:
a deficit of marches?
lets see your marching cv then Ghandi.
as for civil participation it’s only fair for me to tell you that I was involved with Idasa for three years and was invlolved in this country’s first democratic elections.
you must have been about 12 then no?
marching to the shops for some chappies.
7 Dec 2011, 09:58 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-212: Subordinates? Wasn’t there a decision taken that cashiers aren’t allowed to refer to bag packers as subordinates?
7 Dec 2011, 09:58 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-217: this is about YOU stormerboy, JOINING the protest.
look at it this way, you got more mileage walking golf courses in SA than me and i’ve got more mileage marching and toyi-toying the streets of SA than you.
both of us need to address the imbalances in our lives
7 Dec 2011, 10:00 am
@Gunther(gunther)-215:
MMM………………nice one !!! maybe upgrade the picanto before thinking of buying jet skis !!!
Keep posting all day , maybe Ryan will soon buy you a Chevvy Spark as a reward for all the support ! …..prat !!
7 Dec 2011, 10:00 am
@Gunther(gunther)-220: 12? bwahahahaha
7 Dec 2011, 10:01 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-223:
is it time for you to go and milk gwantie?
7 Dec 2011, 10:02 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-216: Not all protest involves flipping over rubbish bins, “dancing” and hitchhiking to Pretoria. We practice a more cerebral form of protest. We write letters to newspapers, withhold tax and start Facebook smear campaigns. Each to his own, nê.
7 Dec 2011, 10:04 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-221: in your neck of the woods the cash registers have internet access?
7 Dec 2011, 10:06 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-226: did you see any rubbish bins upended during the protest march on the “secrecy bill”? check urself.
7 Dec 2011, 10:07 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-228: That was a DA march, remember.
7 Dec 2011, 10:09 am
@Gunther(gunther)-225:
Time for your walk along the Sea Point promenade before joining your mates at graafs pool !! Don’t forget bu m in chest out !!!!
7 Dec 2011, 10:10 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-222: No mate. Marches are so “legacy of the apartheid era”
I get involved on a really practical level. Check out http://www.tfac.org.za .
I’m a do-er not a talker.
7 Dec 2011, 10:16 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-227:
indeed.
the streets of cape town are paved with gold.
which is why we enjoy so many visitors from the eastern cape
7 Dec 2011, 10:16 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-229: sadly mistaken, cosatu, right2know, journalist and many other civil organisations…
DA? hehe
7 Dec 2011, 10:17 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-226:
“Cerebral”??? Very subjective term that especially regarding issue of protesting. How “cerebral” have the EU countries protests regarding the economic crisis currently plaguing the region? In Greece,Spain,Portugal etc people have been acting the fool in the streets(not to mention British youth earlier in the year in protest)-to effect some sort of change especially to their immediate situation mostly linked to their SURVIVAL(monetary wise,employment etc). When its that type of protest…..facebook,blogging etc…..still cerebral???
Each to his own indeed
7 Dec 2011, 10:17 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-231: don’t give me websites man
7 Dec 2011, 10:18 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-229:
Hahahah DA match? Yo now Ive heard it all!!!!
7 Dec 2011, 10:18 am
@Gunther(gunther)-232: “visitors” you say?
7 Dec 2011, 10:18 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-230: hahaha graafs pool. You’re showing your age bro.
7 Dec 2011, 10:19 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-229:
indeed, DA marching equipment does not require a six pack of hansa and an eintje wrapped in yesterdays star.
Sunscreen, mineral water and sensible shoes.
7 Dec 2011, 10:19 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-235:
Hawu waze wa-claimer!!! DA March???
7 Dec 2011, 10:21 am
@Gunther(gunther)-239: Camp chairs and djembe drums are optional.
7 Dec 2011, 10:21 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-230:
graaf’s pool?
I didn’t know Steffi had a house here.
I thought she rented.
Or are you talking about granties hot tub?
Now run along now, I’m sure he has some dictation for you.
Earn your keep.
7 Dec 2011, 10:22 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-231: “legacy of apartheid”? i guess “Occupy Wall Street” has remnants of apatheid about it, same as the protests in North Africa and as earlier mentioned the protests in recession-hit european coutries
7 Dec 2011, 10:24 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-234: Ha ha, did you actually call the London riots a “protest”? While I can see the similarities with the typical SA trade union march, looting and vandalism have precious little to do with changing your situation (or SURVIVAL, as you put it).
7 Dec 2011, 10:25 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-240: hehehe eish sbali
7 Dec 2011, 10:26 am
@Gunther(gunther)-242:
Poor return !!!
I have things to do……keep posting……………… soon you will be able to taste that Chevvy Spark, just hope Ryan is feeling generous…………….a bum in chest out walk -by past Keo’s HO might help your cause !!!!!!!
7 Dec 2011, 10:29 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-238:
Indeed.
It seems Just Buggery earnt his nickname there as a you lad.
Awesome.
7 Dec 2011, 10:38 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-235: check out what we are doing before you judge.
7 Dec 2011, 10:40 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-244:
London riots were resultant of the police shooting that one young bloke,Duggan or something like that.Peaceful march against police & search-seize police practices then turned ugly with a malady of contributing factors-unemployment,gov cuts etc playing their part.
Oh and you conveniently skip past that FACT that EU regions citizens have been acting the fool in the streets as well…Cant be I guess,must be apartheid floating in the air to influence Europe or Cosatu’s terrorist protest cells infiltrating Europe…
7 Dec 2011, 10:43 am
@Gunther(gunther)-242: I actually bumped into Andre a year ago at Onrus beach, he was in the breakwater playing with his kids and i had my son with me. I had just finished reading his autobiography so it was quite a treat to shake his hand.
Didn’t see Steffi anywhere though.
Seems like they like the Cape.
Why wouldn’t they? We are run by the D.A.
We balance the books, get unqualified audit reports, you know, the things that proper governance entail.
Unlike some other provinces as per this article in this morning’s News24:
“Johannesburg – Cabinet’s intervention in Limpopo, the Free State and Gauteng is necessary to ensure that financial mismanagement does not compromise service delivery, the human rights group Section27 said on Tuesday.
“We welcome Cabinet’s move to take action to resolve the financial management crises that are rapidly pushing many provincial departments, and… provinces themselves, towards economic collapse,” it said in a statement. “
7 Dec 2011, 10:52 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-249: There’s a difference between Civil Disobedience and Rioting.
I fully support the right of people to protest (in their own way) issues that they have a problem with. This includes peaceful mass action.
the London riots were everything but that. They were just an excuse for thuggery and opportunistic looting.
Many of those culprits are already sitting in jail.
As they should be.
You can say what you like about the root causes, but i don’t buy it in this case. It was carefully planned overreaction by certain interest groups to fan the flames in the name of their own causes, which had very little to do with the original incident.
7 Dec 2011, 11:09 am
@mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-249: You must be having a laugh.
So the police have a (deservedly) poor rep in the UK. So they shot and killed Duggan during an arrest. So a lot of people have lost faith in them and are angry.
But what in the name of fck does that have to do with thousands of kids smashing shop windows and helping themselves to flatscreen TV’s, Nike trainers and iPhones? Nothing, is the answer you’re looking for. These were just common, garbage variety thugs. Criminal kids. Thieves. And they are cut from the same cloth as SATAWU or NEHAWU or whatever-the-fck-WU looters who raid people’s shops and stalls, and burn down people’s vehicles and property in the name of “protest”.
And if you disagree with this, then you have a shitload of political growing up to do.
And just a little not on your man, Mark Duggan – he was a known drug dealer and a member of a well-known Tottenham gang. His uncle was also a gang leader. And his cousin was recently killed in a gang shooting. The police went to arrest him to stop his planned revenge killing. So whatever went down when they stopped his car, it’s not like they removed a sweet little angel from society.
7 Dec 2011, 11:50 am
@Gunther(gunther)-215: ROFL. There goes my bronchitis spillage…
7 Dec 2011, 11:55 am
Re the London riots. Suggest people read the report that’s just come out on the causes. It’s insightful.
7 Dec 2011, 11:56 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-252: @stormersboy(stormersboy)-251: really fellas, why latch on to one of the examples of protest that have occured in the rest of the world this year alone? not convinient?
7 Dec 2011, 12:01 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-255: Because MiniShwarma had the nerve to call the Liondon riots “protests” aimed at changing one’s situation. Go check, he mentioned them first.
7 Dec 2011, 12:08 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-255: it was a DA march mostly.
it was certainly not an anc march was it? considering the anc are the ones promulgating the bill?
cosatu cant have been a large part, nothing was broken.
7 Dec 2011, 12:16 pm
@Ryan(Ryan)-205: before jumping on that jet ski would you first deal with rangerman’s racist comments in posts 188 and 190.
7 Dec 2011, 12:30 pm
Reading Ryans opening sentence about Schalk, I get the impression that his trip to NZ is the first time he’s actually attended a rugby stadium, certainly not when Schalk was playing, and he assumes the rest of us haven’t either.
7 Dec 2011, 12:33 pm
@mvk(mvk)-258: they werent racist man, re-read them until you go blind.
i didnt think that word was negative until Dawn took offense and then i promised her i wouldnt use it again.
capiche?
7 Dec 2011, 12:34 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-257: really? are SANEF the DA? are the Right@Know Campaign people DA people?
tl tl tl.
Azapo, COSATU were as vociferous as the DA in opposing this bill, relax charlie
7 Dec 2011, 12:35 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-260: you were smart enough to put the spaces inbetween so that it is not blocked…clever ranger
7 Dec 2011, 12:39 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-261: uhm…….right now who do you think the members of sanef vote for suzy?
azapo? who the f cares what azapo do, they were wiped out by the mk youth in the townships in the ’80′s and couldnt organise a pi ss up in a brewery.
as for cosatu, like i said, not enough damage for them to have been massivley involved and they eat from the same swill as the anc.
surely their cadres are deployed in parliment? how did they vote re the secrecy bill?
haha, why does it make you so upset that the da led a march?
oh ja, because they is white ergo they dont march. right?
7 Dec 2011, 12:41 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-262: ****** is banned too, see? m o nk ey, harmless word.
j a p as well.
di ck?
ba b oon
ni g eri an
f u k
etc etc
cmon man, rather tell me why “whiteys” isnt banned?
7 Dec 2011, 12:43 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-260: i need to applaud you for your inventiveness!technically,the way you play around with that word,such a word does not exist in the english language.
7 Dec 2011, 12:44 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-263: you mean Mathata Tsedu and Mondli Makhanya vote for the DA? another one of your pie-in-the-sky claims… tl tl tl
you reckon Ferial Hafajee is member of the DA?
“upset”? hehehe…scarecrows don’t work my china
7 Dec 2011, 12:45 pm
@mvk(mvk)-265: which word?
7 Dec 2011, 12:48 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-266: they surely do now transie.
if they didnt already at the last election.
calm down man, i am just one man transie
7 Dec 2011, 12:50 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-266: transie i am thinking of attending the PE sevens to see how my EC rugby brethren are coming along and to cheer the blitzbokkies.
shall we have this argument over a beer?
7 Dec 2011, 12:52 pm
ryan,we need to remove scum like rangerman from posting on this well respected blog.it’s in your best interest mate ,otherwise you might as well kiss that jest ski goodbye when the website gets wrapped up in legal matters because of scum like rangerman.
7 Dec 2011, 12:52 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-264: relax, i’m not calling you anything let alone a racist
hey sparky, so you disagree with the professor who wrote that article, in your miond white folks protest/demonstrate all the time?
7 Dec 2011, 12:56 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-268: ho hum
and you know this how?
you’re right you’re only one man, stop making assumptions
7 Dec 2011, 12:56 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-253:
I think Ryan has hit me with a banning order for it.
7 Dec 2011, 12:57 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-269: great! will be there like a bear both days.
7 Dec 2011, 12:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-271:
sparky? LMAO!
listen up lofty, i couldnt give a toss what “most black people” or “most white people” do capiche?
that was my point.
i care what individuals do because if the kuk hits the fan, no band of whiteys is gonna ride in to save me.
my family or a bunch of randoms might.
@mvk(mvk)-270: wrapped up in legal issues?
7 Dec 2011, 12:58 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-273: Gerald “fingers” Bacher
Majola plays victim, says Ali Bacher also got big bonus
SIPHO MASOMBUKA and CHUMANI BAMBANI | 06 December, 2011 23:4217 Comments
Cricket SA CEO Gerald Majola told the Nicholson Commission yesterday that the organisation’s board had failed to familiarise him with the Companies Act Picture: HALDEN KROG
Cricket boss Gerald Majola yesterday broke his almost two-year silence on the game’s bonus scandal, in which he has been deeply implicated, by casting blame in several directions.
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Nicholson inquiry hits snags In his defence, a sometimes emotional Majola claimed that his predecessor, Ali Bacher, had taken a R5-million bonus after the Cricket World Cup of 2003 in South Africa, thereby creating a precedent.
Bacher has challenged the claim.
Majola, the CEO of Cricket SA, was appearing before the Nicholson Commission which is investigating the financial affairs of the organisation.
The commission, headed by Judge Chris Nicholson, has focused on R4.5-million in bonuses paid to Majola and other members of his staff following the 2009 staging of the Indian Premier League in this country. Majola was paid R1.75-million.
Majola testified that, when South Africa hosted the Cricket World Cup eight years ago, Bacher and others shared a bonus of R9-million for organising the tournament, with Bacher pocketing R5-million. At the time Bacher was the managing director of the United Cricket Board (the forerunner of Cricket SA) and tournament director of the World Cup.
Majola also told the inquiry:
?Former Cricket SA chief operating officer Don McIntosh had been responsible for assigning the bonuses from the IPL; and
?The board of Cricket SA had not familiarised him with the Companies Act, which he has been accused of violating.
Majola, who was accompanied at yesterday’s hearing by two lawyers and members of his family from Port Elizabeth, said the bonus scandal had been a strain on him and his family.
He also told the commission that he and former Cricket SA president Mtutuzeli Nyoka had “never been friends”.
“The fact that we grew up together does not make us friends.”
Nyoka, who was twice ousted as president of Cricket SA during Majola’s term as CEO, has also been Majola’s main accuser. He has called Majola a “liar” on air.
Majola said yesterday that had he been familiar with the Companies Act, he would have disclosed his bonus to Cricket SA’s remuneration committee. This omission is at the root of the inquiry. Majola said the board should have alerted him in writing to the provisions of the act.
“I would have done things differently if I was familiar with the act. What happened is undesirable and we should take responsibility for what has happened.”
Majola insisted that the board and the remuneration committee were aware of the bonuses and that he had merely forgotten to disclose the bonus in writing.
He dismissed as “unfounded” Nyoka’s claims that he had denied receiving the bonus, saying he had shared the schedule of bonuses with Nyoka. He said: “I do not know what motivated him or what was his [Nyoka's] agenda for making unfounded allegations.”
Majola told Judge Nicholson that McIntosh had determined his bonus. McIntosh had also determined his own bonus.
Majola said he was unable to explain a letter to McIntosh informing him that he [Majola] had negotiated bonuses for the IPL tournament.
When Judge Nicholson pressed the point, Majola said: “I honestly do not know what to say, but everybody who received a bonus would have received the letter.”
?Approached for comment on Majola’s evidence, Bacher denied that he had received the lion’s share of a R9-million bonus after the 2003 World Cup, but admitted to receiving R5-million, which was part of a retirement fund.
“The bonus was not really related to the success of the tournament. It was brought up on the basis that I had served cricket professionally for two decades and it was found that my retirement fund was inadequate,” said Bacher.
“The bonus was partly because of the Cricket World Cup success and partly to improve my retirement
7 Dec 2011, 12:59 pm
“The bonus was not really related to the success of the tournament. It was brought up on the basis that I had served cricket professionally for two decades and it was found that my retirement fund was inadequate,” said Bacher.
“The bonus was partly because of the Cricket World Cup success and partly to improve my retirement”
the question is , who approved Ali, remco?
7 Dec 2011, 13:00 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-277: who approved it
7 Dec 2011, 13:00 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-272:
precisely.
@Transformation(Transformation)-274: ok cool, i will let you know if it happens, outside chance.
anyways, i think our tete a tete has opened up minds and helped poodle fo k kers like mvk enough for one day so i must say goodbye.
tjorts!
7 Dec 2011, 13:03 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-279: fokkof you whitey racist k unt.
7 Dec 2011, 13:04 pm
@Gunther(gunther)-273: Here’s another submit click. Maybe it’ll pay for a decent barber and not cost-cutters
7 Dec 2011, 13:05 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-276: What a load of rubbish. It was his responsibility alone to be familiar with all the relevant legislation and to consult the appropriate people.
7 Dec 2011, 13:06 pm
@mvk(mvk)-280:
whats my colour got to do with it crappo?
7 Dec 2011, 13:06 pm
@David(David)-259: Ryan’s altered state of consciousness
7 Dec 2011, 13:18 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-255: Since when has objectivity ever been applied to an argument in this place??
What’s good for the goose fella…..
7 Dec 2011, 13:43 pm
RYAN
Did you seriously ban Gunther for his Jetski comment????
Come now fella.
I though private “uitkak” emails were more your style…..
I hope not.
7 Dec 2011, 14:18 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-286: Don’t forget phone calls. Someone here a year or so ago said they received an irate call from Vrede and they left him ranting while they went to do something else
7 Dec 2011, 14:19 pm
Charming fellow. As prickly as his hairstyle
7 Dec 2011, 14:27 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-287: I got an Uitkak email from Ryan a year or so ago.
It was a classic.
7 Dec 2011, 14:30 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-289: really?
the nerve!
7 Dec 2011, 14:39 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-289: How incoherent was it on a scale of -1 to -10.
@Transformation(Transformation)-290: Doesn’t surprise me unfortunately. The unprofessionalism shows in his writings, unless one discounts his cut and paste skills. There is never proper insightful analysis from either him or JC. Keo can and does produce rubbish but he can also write some wonderful insightful articles. The students haven’t learnt enough from the master.
7 Dec 2011, 14:40 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-290: Yip.
I was quite bemused. I wasn’t sure if I should have been impressed or annoyed.
What I did infer was, given the relatively tame nature of my ramblings compared to some on this site, that Ryan must spend a great deal of time sending emails and not much on his writing……
7 Dec 2011, 14:51 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-291: Not too bad actually. Short and to the point.
No profanity. I’ll give him that.
I copied Keo in my response and he thought it was highly amusing. He suggested that I carry on “challenging” his underlings.
7 Dec 2011, 14:57 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-293: Someone must have proof-read it for him
You’re the chosen one.
7 Dec 2011, 14:58 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-292:
i must also be on that “tame” side of things as i have nver received private correspondence from Vrede 
you’re more radical than me boet.
7 Dec 2011, 15:02 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-295: Me neither. I haven’t had the honour from his Lordship Vrede.
7 Dec 2011, 15:09 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-295: Ironically It was a response to his announcement that he had been nominated for writer of the year in some category last year.
I made a remark to the effect that it must have been the “Keo Blogger who has a tux and can make the prize giving award”
It obviously offended his sense of pride.
Which is odd given the amount of stick that he gets on this site.
7 Dec 2011, 15:10 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-296: Yeah what can I say. I’m just a wild and crazy guy.
Not.
7 Dec 2011, 15:22 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-289: lol send it thru to me?
7 Dec 2011, 15:24 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-287: I know this crazy All Blacks family that also had phone calls from Ryan back and forth insulting each other. That also spread onto Facebook! Was some funny ish!
7 Dec 2011, 15:24 pm
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-299: Shame I think he’s suffered enough.
I’ll stop harping on about it now,
I’m sure Ryan’s just a passionate guy who takes his job (and himself) a little too seriously at times……
7 Dec 2011, 15:33 pm
AshSplash is a vuilgat Pom…
Hair pulling Ashton banned for the year
Published: Wednesday, 7. December, 2011 in category Southern Hemisphere
England wing Chris Ashton was banned for four weeks from all rugby on Tuesday for pulling the hair of Leicester Tigers’ Alesana Tuilagi during a tackle.
Ashton, who was punished by a disciplinary panel for “acts contrary to good sportsmanship,” will be free to play again on January 4 – a month before England begin the defence of their Six Nations title.
The incident, where Ashton tackled Tuilagi by grabbing his dreadlocks and then dragged him into touch, took place in the first half of a fiery East Midlands derby won 30-25 by Leicester at their Welford Road home and sparked a touchline brawl.
Tuilagi and Northampton flank Tom Wood were sent off but a disciplinary panel found the red cards they had received for striking were sufficient punishment and both can continue to play.
Judge Jeff Blackett, the Rugby Football Union (RFU) disciplinary officer, said: “We accepted that this started by accident but it became clear that at some stage Chris Ashton knew what he was doing.
“If you pull somebody by the hair there is an element of denigration and this act was a catalyst for a mass brawl that resulted in two red cards and significantly affected the image of the game.
“Without any laid-down guidance on sanction we have aligned the offence to that of spitting and reduced the entry level points to that of three, six and 10 weeks for low, mid-range and top end respectively.
“This was a mid-range offence but we have reduced the sanction by two weeks based on the player’s good record and conduct at the hearing.”
Ashton, who was ordered to pay £500 in costs, will now miss Northampton’s back-to-back European Cup fixtures against Castres and two Premiership games over the festive period.
This is not the first time in recent months that Ashton has been involved in unwanted publicity, having been one of the players pictured drinking in England’s infamous night out during the World Cup in Queenstown.
Ashton has 48 hours from receiving the judgment in which to appeal.
Another Saints player, Phil Dowson, was also suspended at the hearings on Tuesday for a dangerous tackle on Saracens’ Alex Goode in a previous Premiership match.
Dowson has been suspended for two weeks and was also ordered to pay £500 after he pleaded guilty and will be able to play again from December 20 onwards.
7 Dec 2011, 15:37 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-302: He must be close to the least liked player in the world. Saw the video clip of the incident and the fight. Surprised the other vuilgat Pom, Courtney Lawes, escaped punishment. He’s never far away when the fists start flying.
7 Dec 2011, 15:44 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-303: ashton only wanted to see his cornrows were done properly man…hehehe
7 Dec 2011, 15:59 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-303:
that lawes is as big a doo$ as ashton, or perhaps bigger.
no attempt to just restrain the guy hitting his teamate or break up the fight, he instead goes straight in with punches to tuilagi frome behind.
who hits a man from behind.
but thats true to his form.
ashton’s got a penchant for riling up tuilagi’s it seems.
7 Dec 2011, 16:01 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-305: A penchant, you say? So that French stuff in your name is for real?
7 Dec 2011, 16:10 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-306:
well its the second tuilagi he’s had a pickle with now.
thats funny cos i pronounce it in a frenchy way too hahaha
nothing in the name relates to me, it means goodbye all blacks, goodbye.. in a literal/coarse translation.
7 Dec 2011, 16:17 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-307: I remember the younger Tuilagi clobbering him with a decent combination a while back. I really enjoyed that.
7 Dec 2011, 16:20 pm
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-300: Sounds like a job for prozac
7 Dec 2011, 16:27 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-308:
ja, i enjoyed that too.
here’s a clip where he gets shane horgan back, for a cheap shot push into touch from behind, by running over him hehe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XxWIM127Bw&feature=player_embedded#!
7 Dec 2011, 17:53 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-310: There are quite a few of them playing over there aren’t there? Brothers, like 5 or 6 of them I think.
7 Dec 2011, 18:16 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-311:
yip, more or less.
or at least there were, as i think a few have retired by now but were all involved with leicester.
7 Dec 2011, 18:35 pm
Lots of black white brawling here today.
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