I gave you what you asked for and what do you do? Instead of arguing the stats you change the topic to something totally different.

Ja-wat.

@ET.-154:
“These poor, sad, worthless, foolish, unthinking fools…”

Please refrain from calling me names. I have not call you names…yet.

Her brother-in-law is one of three okes from Mamre who drowned at St Helena Bay when their boat capsized. One body still missing.

This is horrible, especially in a small community such as Mamre.

@Jeraldjay-156:
I’ll have Waugh at 6. I think he batted there for the most part of his career.

sympathies to family and friends

sorry… put this on wrong other thread

These poor, sad, worthless, foolish, unthinking fools will never ever realise that in this life, and no matter what aspect of it, it is never just about pure statistics and it will never be.

Do you think that the insult of apartheid denial to play in S.Africa never affected the likes of Sobers, Walcott, Worrell, Weekes, Gavaskar, D’Oliveira, Raman Subba Row and even the early Ganguly, Tendulkar and Dravid and a million more?
Will the impugning of their self-worth or respect or the daily insult to their humman dignity not get them to question their humman worth, skills and abilities and performances and more?
And please do not even mention motivation for they were mostly not allowed to play in S.Africa.

Do you even know that Raman Subba Row was the England captain and in form batsman in the series in England just before the England team was scheduled to tour in S.Africa, next? He was dropped to help you racist enjoy a cricket series and as a result retired soon after from international cricket.

What would Basil D’Oliveira’s real STATISTICS have been if he was picked for his country, S.A., as a huge potential since age 20(he was 30 plus when playing for England)?

What would Sobers’ averages have been if he was allowed to flog your Tayfields, Heine, Adcock, Goddard etc or let loose with Hall and Griffiths against your McGlew(a NAT), Goddard, Endean and more? See how particularly woorthless pure statistics are when S.Africa comes in to the equation?

Have you any appreciation of the idea of the holistic approach in all things in life which thus requires a consideration of perspective? Do I need to explain holistic?

@Robzim-152:

I have not “rated” “Karless” above at any time but have merely questioned your silly deification especially when you recently and correctly wanted him dropped against the Aussies in the ODIs.

On what do you base your categorisation of “hatred” that I supposedly reflect?

Why is there no hatred for Richards or Pollock or Sobers or all mentioned here and above?

I am sorry but against the likes of Pollock, Richards, Proctor, Kenny Mac and more, “Karless” is to me just slow, sluggish phlegm. Exceptionally boring because of simple selfishness, and yet we are told cricket is a TEAM game. Why did so many call for and get the selectors dropping him for ODIs so many times before?

@stormer in a teacup-151:

” you will be found wanting.”

You are so correct because I am so principled that I will always be “found wanting” when it comes to wanton, drunken destruction of property and of whatever esteeem he may have.

It’s futile getting into any sort of discussion with that fool.

Greats like Kallis – and also Matfield – are only truly appreciated when they are no longer there.

Your “rating” of Kallis is based on hatred and not on any verifiable facts or statistics so i will not take it seriously and even bother to respond.

There are of course still his bowling and his slip catching.

If, by the end of your career you can boast that your stats compare favorable or even better than the best that the world has ever produced in your chosen sport, you go down as a GREAT in my book.

Let’s consider the following stats by Kallis:

1. One of only FOUR players in the history of test cricket to score more than 12 000 test runs.
2. The 2nd most test 100′s in the history of test cricket.
3. A batting average of more than 55.
56,89 to be precise. The 13th best average in the history of test cricket.
4. Scored 5 centuries in 5 test matches once. The 2nd best sequence of 100′s in consecutive test matches of all time.

Yes, he may have been a “boring” batsman most of his career… he may not have dominated bowlers like the Pollocks’ and the Richards’ of this world… he may even have been selfish on occasions and played for his stats instead of for the team.

That notwithstanding, Kallis is a GREAT in world cricket and will be inducted into the cricket hall of fame in the future. No doubt about that.

“Karless” can best be described as being phlegm on an excellently cut cricket field.
He is, like that phlegm, thick because of he is more viscous and thus slow and sluggish, he has a dull and ugly dirty green or dark greenish -yellow tinge to his cricketing personality and is as sickly as that probably TB-infected lungs are, as shown by his selfish lifestyle as he crashes his car into gates in a state of ungainly drunkeness.

@Robzim-140:

I am not sure you are out of this hole you dug for yourself by repeating and glorifying what the ‘commentator’ said on tv as “Karless” came out to bat.

If you want to use the silly term “great” wrt “Karless” state the criterion of statistics in that notion.

In PURE cricketing terms S.A. has NO comparisons to Pollock and Richards(no specific order) as batsmen or Proctor as an all-rounder.
Those three have single-handedly won matches anywhere and everywhere. They can dominate and devastate a controlling bowling attack and in Proctor’s case he can also bowl you to a win with a devastating winning spell of his wrong-foot bowling.

As for sadly using Gary Sobers’ name alongside “Karless” as an allrounder is insulting and begs explanation as Sir Garfield Sobers is the most complete cricketer there has ever been. He could bowl any number of varietal styles to suit the conditions and has won matches by devastatingly bowling his unplayable off-breakers when the situation demanded it.

“Karless” mostly and thus selfiishly plays for himself more than anything else as he does not accept there is no ‘I’ in the TEAM game of cricket.

you obviously like the term you’ve coined… but sadly for you, you are using it incorrectly… it would imply I’m envious of kallis ‘excitement’ … which quite clearly I am not…

no one’s trying to bend anything… except perhaps you… don’t cherry pick people’s posts… read them properly…

Barry Richards is also an accomplished, successful and respected cricket administrator …. He would be the perfect man to take over from Gerald Majola… who really should be fired if he hasn’t got the guys to resign….

In fact, everybody acknowledge that fact.

Kallis is a great…haters just try and “bend” him to their definition of greatness…when actually, there in reality, is Jacques Kallis, being himself, being great

Let me ask you this: what would he need to do (1 sentence if you can), to satisfy you that he is great?

…….well for me – he probably needs a 300+ test score….

they are three of the best ever…

and only kallis and sobers can be compared to each other as all rounders… everyone else comes a very distant third to these two…

Kallis does have his detractors. But then again, us South Africans often are the last to recognise and appreciate an international superstar. Very much like a Matfield who were heralded as superstars by offshore pundits long before us saffas.

@Robzim-140:

And if you compare Ponting’s and Kallis’s batting records, they are very similar in number of test tons scored and batting average. And then there’s the number of wickets taken.
A test of a true allrounder is whether they can command a spot in a team purely on batting alone or bowling alone. Sobers and Kallis as you mentioned are the standout examples of this. Cricketers such as these don’t come along that often.