Cash-strapped Lions tighten belts
18 Dec 2011
The Golden Lions Rugby Union insists it will be able to pay its players despite having ‘financial difficulties’.
GLRU deputy president Altmann Allers told the Sunday Times that the union is in ‘the process of huge restructuring’ and that ‘people have been retrenched’, but dismissed reports that player salaries would not be paid this month.
‘I wonder if the rumours will go away when the players get paid this week?’ Allers countered. ‘It is true that we are going through some financial difficulties but the players’ salaries will not be affected. I don’t know if it is a misunderstanding or if someone misinterpreted the situation, but we are going to meet our obligations in 2012 and beyond. We are in financial difficulty but that is exactly why we are cutting back.
‘There are a number of players whose contracts we didn’t renew,’ he added, careful not to go into specifics. ‘We are in negotiations to terminate [the contracts of] 13 others.’
Allers estimates the union will have 40 to 45 senior contracted players in 2012, 30 fewer than last season.
919 Comments
18 Dec 2011, 18:35 pm
Contractual dragons
18 Dec 2011, 19:22 pm
why are they in financial dwang, they have a new sponsor, won the Currie Cup, should hv made some bucks this year. Come on Leuloops, yr rugby has been outstanding, dont let money be yr downfall.
18 Dec 2011, 20:38 pm
@Treehugger-2: They have years of financial mismanagement to sort out and get back on the straight and narrow.
18 Dec 2011, 21:36 pm
Might have something to do with some of the deadweight in the coaching setup….I mean let’s be honest, it may look good having him there but what exactly does Spencer actually contribute to the coaching….seriously.
19 Dec 2011, 00:51 am
You’re right. Their backline play has not improved one iota
19 Dec 2011, 05:32 am
Two major business flops that cost the Lions:
1. Not using the public transport system with the infrastructure that was created for the SWC in 2010, under Mitchell the Lions should attract 35,000-40,000 each game at Ellis Park if a safe and reliable transportation system was in place, that hasn’t happened.
2. The Gumadi effect: Buying into Gumadie’s fairy tales, the Lions got into un necessary financial commitments which they could not support in full, Gumadie for the record, never showed the money henc it was the Lions’ responsibility to exercise caution and conservatism, not to be carried away by that 3rd world drivel about the imminent money to be poured in.
19 Dec 2011, 05:57 am
Everyone keeps telling us it’s WP that’s in trouble… and keep chirping WP about losing players…???
Now Allers saying they’re writing off 30 players…!! So is Allersverloren…?
One of the reasons for their debt was paying DickMuir R2.5something salary even though he never worked there anymore.
All jokes aside… this is bad news and I really hope the Lions manage to sort it all out… Have always said SA rugby needs a strong Lions union… player and business wise… So I hope wisdom and common sense prevails and people do what is necessary and right…
19 Dec 2011, 07:36 am
(whispers) katman?… katman?.. where are you?…
19 Dec 2011, 07:45 am
(whispers)…
Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011..?…hello..hello… are you there?..
19 Dec 2011, 08:14 am
This is a blessing in disguise for the Lions I think. They are finally being forced, in the best way possible, to shed all the dead weight from the company and they will emerge leaner and stronger for it.
19 Dec 2011, 08:25 am
Hondo, its not Gumadi its Gumede, you bimbo. Secondly they were riding on a black man’s money in the name of BEE, when white companies r high geared or cash trapped, they seem to know how to unlock money using BEE. Gumede is Billioner and not a fool, they were bailed out for poor management, they wanted his money but not his input on management and governance, thats not how Private Equity. Gumede brought them sponsorships including MTN and money yet he was treated like a fool. I have no pity for Lions.
19 Dec 2011, 08:56 am
‘We are in negotiations to terminate [the contracts of] 13 others.’
The Stormers can pick up a centre here…..Hollenbach? Jannie Boshoff? Waylon Murray? Prodigal Son Des Fountain?
19 Dec 2011, 08:56 am
@11 – Sir Watson,
Yet another example of how BBBEE has failed us. Had their been no quotas or BBBEE, we would not be in this situation.
Nobody would be blaming anybody based on the colour of where the funding came from. Yet another wonderful example of how in SA, we make our own racial problems.
19 Dec 2011, 08:58 am
@12 – Stormers will find a way to ***** it up!
Sharks will not look at any of them as they are under 30.
Bulls & Cheetahs are the only bet for these players.
19 Dec 2011, 09:03 am
Thanks we’ll take Elton, Doppies, Taute and Minnie.
19 Dec 2011, 09:08 am
Guess this means no contract for Chivanga. That was a bad signing , shame man.
19 Dec 2011, 09:09 am
@stormersboy-15: Maybe a prop too.
19 Dec 2011, 09:10 am
@sparticus-16: Stormers can take Chavanga back!
19 Dec 2011, 09:14 am
The Lions situation is no different from most unions in SA, we just know about their situation publicly.
And sorry folks, they won’t let the likes of Minnie, Dops, Strauss and the likes go – Altmann is referring to guys like Dean Hall which is still on contract at the union for ten’s of thousands of Rands.
19 Dec 2011, 09:15 am
This is great news, very old news Simon, but great.
There is no way that having 70 players under contract is good for anyone. The bullies and the brokebacks can keep their squads of 70 players, which wlill bleed them dry.
Now a lean squad of 45-50 players will be just perfect, slightly bigger than the antipode teams and certainly bigger than the Cheetahs, infact about the same size squad as the guppies.
I reckon the lions can now afford to increase the salaries of the remaining 45 by at least 10% and have some change to buy 1 or 2 mercenaries.
19 Dec 2011, 09:32 am
@PissAnt-19: Huh Dean Hall!!! lol you kidding me….how is that possible? He must of started a few business with the money he is getting from the Lions. I am sure the unions will pick up some of these players….there are some decent players that have been released.
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-20: Stormers squad is not that big….unless you including the vodacom cup guys.
19 Dec 2011, 09:35 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-20: Ja 45 or even 40 is big enough for a senior team with rest playing Vodacom Cup.
19 Dec 2011, 09:36 am
@PissAnt-19:
yes but considering the lengthened comp format as well as international duty, is a big squad not a prerequisite for any hope of success in sr?
to use the analogy of tiling, yes the tiles take up center stage and is what you mostly see but you still need the grout to fill fill the gaps between the tiles in order to make it all pretty and nice.
this is the purpose of the unsung hero of the bench… the tacklebag holder… the water boy… the guys who put in the work knowing they’ll never get gametime unless a miracle happened. the best teams have these grout fillers and i dont think the lions are doing themselves any favours with a lean squad.
19 Dec 2011, 09:38 am
But I thought this black dude had so much money.
Spending it all on Ferraris and beeg pateees?
19 Dec 2011, 09:44 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-20:
are you including the sr, cc, and vodacom players in the full squad numbers you mention?
the keewis have smaller squads for sr but do they name seperate squads for their cc and vodacom cup equivalents, the itm and heartland cups?
19 Dec 2011, 09:44 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-23: no big squads are not the answer, squads that are versatile and multi-talented are the way to go, just like the antipode teams. Remember rugby is a business and it makes no sense having 8 wingers when four will do …. in any event even if you lose all four wingers you still can still moves centres to wing or bring in your u21 players. Get it?
19 Dec 2011, 09:45 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-25: yes, VC players included.
19 Dec 2011, 09:50 am
@Sasuke-21:
Nope, apparently its true.
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-23:
Super Rugby squads of 40 odd players are enough. The Lions are referring to senior contracted players here I believe. Ideally you want 3 players per position. 2 senior guys and the 3rd sourced from U/21 teams or Vodacom Cup teams in case of crisis.
Touring squads are usually between 28 and 30 players – this will not change with the new format.
Given that 80% of a union’s budget is made up of salaries of mainly players, it is essential you get this right and the Lions for once are making a concerted effort to get rid of the deadwood bleeding them dry.
19 Dec 2011, 09:50 am
@Sasuke-21:
Nope, apparently its true.
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-23:
Super Rugby squads of 40 odd players are enough. The Lions are referring to senior contracted players here I believe. Ideally you want 3 players per position. 2 senior guys and the 3rd sourced from U/21 teams or Vodacom Cup teams in case of crisis.
Touring squads are usually between 28 and 30 players – this will not change with the new format.
Given that 80% of a union’s budget is made up of salaries of mainly players, it is essential you get this right and the Lions for once are making a concerted effort to get rid of the deadwood bleeding them dry.
19 Dec 2011, 09:58 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-26:
ok, fair enough but i will sit this one out and wait till untill june before making an assessment about versatality versus bulk and which is a better squad system.
dont the kiwis just name different squads for sr, itm and hc? so if you added them together it would probably be just as big or bigger than our squads?
19 Dec 2011, 10:06 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-27:
@PissAnt-28:
yes i agree.
it is sensible.
getting the perfect balance of just the right number of players needed to be competitve at just the right cost in salaries is the ideal to strive for.
oh well, i hope it works for the lions and they dont end up running around desperately trying to buy in players closer to the business end of the comp.
which, might i add, could happen under any circumstance i suppose when considering the stormers hiring of schalk brits due to injury losses (i mean its not like they had a lean and ‘versatlie’ squad to begin with)
19 Dec 2011, 10:10 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-31:
My understanding is that no new players will be contracted until late next year.
19 Dec 2011, 10:18 am
@PissAnt-32:
yes, but there will always be the unstated proviso that ‘in the event the sshit hits the fan’ all options are put back on the table and temp mercenary purchases will be made, in the hope of meeting possible objectives.
just like the stormers… i’m sure they would too.
19 Dec 2011, 10:20 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-33:
Of course, if the **** hits the fan and they lose something like 3 flyhalf’s for the season through injury plans need to be made.
19 Dec 2011, 10:28 am
is henno mentz still contracted to the Lions?
19 Dec 2011, 10:29 am
@Transformation-35:
He was one that was let go if I remember correctly.
19 Dec 2011, 10:33 am
Dead wood offers no growth. Chop, chop, chop it out. Let the rest of the garden flourish.
19 Dec 2011, 10:33 am
@Transformation-35:
Players released from contract so far:
Tonderai Chavanga, JP JOubert, Chris Jonck, Walter Venter, David De Villiers, Marius Delport, Robert Kruger, Jacques Lombaard, Jonathan Mukoena and Johan Van Deventer, Henno Mentz, Wigan Pekeur, Dusty Noble and Beast Mtawarirra’s brother Ray.
Others you may know of already:
Burton Francis, George Earl and David Bulbring
19 Dec 2011, 10:35 am
@Transformation-35: @PissAnt-36: Yip, he is gone with the wind, think he was off-loaded to the Puma’s. The Griqua’s got about 6 or so Lions a few months ago.
19 Dec 2011, 10:37 am
Just for the record for some people to know that Chavhanga is playing for Newport Dragons in Wales and has been since the start of the season… same club Teichman and Montgomery played for…
19 Dec 2011, 10:39 am
@PissAnt-38:
David de Villiers
Mjekevu
Walter Venter
Johan Snyman
All cut.
19 Dec 2011, 10:40 am
basically, its a which came first situation they find themselves in.
the chicken or the egg?.. and all will revealed sometime around june.
19 Dec 2011, 11:11 am
@Sasuke-17: Ja except CJ just didn’t fit in here…
@PissAnt-19: Well there’s always hope.
Dean Hall hey? Is he still in reasonable shape? Can he play prop I wonder…….?
19 Dec 2011, 11:13 am
@>^..^< katman-37: Just what i say. That Jaco Taute fella. Ever since I spotted him (first) I’ve been disappointed with his growth. Just hasn’t lived up to his potential. I think he needs to make a move. Improve his prospects.
19 Dec 2011, 11:18 am
“Lions tighten belts.”
A lean and hungry Lion.
What more could we ask for.
19 Dec 2011, 11:21 am
“Allers estimates the union will have 40 to 45 senior contracted players in 2012, 30 fewer than last season”.
Phark……………………………….The Crusaders have 26.
19 Dec 2011, 11:25 am
@stormersboy-44: jealous much?
19 Dec 2011, 11:27 am
@cane-46: Saders are cheap! They depend on the NZRU to pay their players salaries …. here there are no hand outs, unions contract and pay for their own stars.
19 Dec 2011, 11:32 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-48:
The SARU Bank the NewsCorp cheque.
They should pay the players.
27 Players per Franchise.
19 Dec 2011, 11:36 am
@cane-49: they write a little cheque, but it is only a percentage of total income needed to support 70 plus players.
19 Dec 2011, 11:37 am
@cane-45:
its a litlle more than that by the sound of it though as they will seemingly be fighting ongoing legal action on a number of other fronts. this can either work against or in favour of an organisation.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytimes/2011/12/18/prudence-takes-pride-of-place-down-at-ellis-park
19 Dec 2011, 11:46 am
@cane-46:
no they dont, they have about 30 or 31 and may even contract a few more, who’s to say.
anyway, this practise of squad announcements in sa usually includes our full sr, cc and vc squad teams in the list, for the most part.
i think you guys just ‘name’ a sr squad number and dont include in that number the respective franchises provincial team squads which will probably make it about or maybe even a litlle bigger than ours.
you are tricky, keewees… but we are watching you…
19 Dec 2011, 11:49 am
i guess we can now safely say that there is no way the lions will contract frans steyn for next seasons sr.
the sharks and stormers would do well to chase him.
19 Dec 2011, 11:52 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-47: Does it show?
19 Dec 2011, 12:08 pm
@stormersboy-44: Even if you did spot him first (which you didn’t), you wouldn’t have claimed so until someone who knew a fullback’s arse from his elbow said something first.
Anyway, Taute is staying. But we’re giving you Dean Hall, Dusty Noble and Henno Mentz in a Crazy Chirstmas buy-three-pay-for-two special deal. But act fast. Stocks are limited.
19 Dec 2011, 12:12 pm
@PissAnt-38: Jeez, so Chavanga’s walking around with no contract at the moment? Doesn’t he still hold the record for most tries scored by a Springbok in one game?
19 Dec 2011, 12:18 pm
@>^..^< katman-55: did too!
19 Dec 2011, 12:19 pm
@Yetirat-56: Yes.
@>^..^< katman-55: Watch Straeuli pounce
19 Dec 2011, 12:25 pm
@Michael-58: Someone needs to tell Straulie that shopping vouchers from pre-Staaldraad aren’t valid anymore, or else the big fella is going end up with a full trolley and a nasty hissy fit.
19 Dec 2011, 12:26 pm
I am surprised that Dean Hall cant make this side, surely better than the incumbents. I am surprised they are not offering Ray Mordt a contract to run the other wing
I think that even he could turn Doppies into a koeksuster…
19 Dec 2011, 12:28 pm
I see the Iberian retirement village has woken up too.
19 Dec 2011, 12:28 pm
@>^..^< katman-59: ROFLMAO. Good one
19 Dec 2011, 12:36 pm
If you consider that we have 2 competitions running at the same time (Super Rugby and Vodacom Cup) you need a minimum of 55 – 60 if you want to cover all your bases.
30 for Super Rugby and close to the same number for VC.
More than that is probably being wasteful though.
19 Dec 2011, 12:38 pm
@stormersboy-63: PS many of the VC players will be U21 players.
19 Dec 2011, 12:38 pm
Now that i think of it, Ronnie Haarof in at outside centre, Doppies to water duties and Bobs your uncle….. a vast improvement to the backline.
Now if only I could find a slot for mi amigo the Kaaitjies uberhero, Schalk Naude….
19 Dec 2011, 12:42 pm
@Bod-65: Doppies is performing. Ah Naude, that takes me back years!
19 Dec 2011, 12:53 pm
@Bod-65: Joke all you like, old man. We might only contract 40 or so players, but at least they’ll all be premier grade, Super Rugby quality candidates.
Remind us again of your flyhalf options – all 7 of them?
19 Dec 2011, 12:55 pm
@>^..^< katman-67: van Rensburg is Super quality? lol
Every one of our flyhalves who stepped in during the 2011 Super was a success.
19 Dec 2011, 13:00 pm
@>^..^< katman-67: Lots of chest beating in the off season.
A bit of pressure on your team for next year.
It’s about bloody time too. Us top tier Super Rugby teams in SA (Read Bulls/Sharks/Stormers) are sick of watching the rest (read Lions and Cheetahs) gift all the overseas touring teams 5 points when they fly in each year.
They barely had to even turn up in the past.
Lets hope all this will change next year.
19 Dec 2011, 13:01 pm
@Michael-68: Watts, van Aswegen, The Greek… who else was there? I don’t remember any of them nailing down a starting spot. It was more like the first round of auditions for the East London leg of Idols SA.
19 Dec 2011, 13:02 pm
@stormersboy-63:
thats what i would think, especially considering the lengthened sr format. also, there’ll be some overlap with cc.
but it seems ‘versatile’ and ‘lean’ squad placements are the new buzz words.
bear in mind these buzz words coincide with suspected case of financial shtf at one (and possibly more) rugby unions.
19 Dec 2011, 13:05 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-71: I guess guys like Pieterson who is fairly versatile will come in very handy then.
Guys who can play lock/blindside/8th man, wing/fullback I guess.
19 Dec 2011, 13:07 pm
@>^..^< katman-67:
honestly speaking, the lions have a lot of hurdles as it is.
you should not jinx them with that kind of talk.
19 Dec 2011, 13:12 pm
@stormersboy-72:
versatile in a ‘do you wanna get paid this month or not, you chop’ kinda way…
anyway, i do wish the lions well.
it can only be good for sa rugby.
19 Dec 2011, 13:12 pm
@>^..^< katman-70: We struggled for sure. At the beginning of last season the pecking order was (roughly)
1. Grant
2. Van As
3. Cronje
4. Watts
5. Sam Lane.
6. Karl Kikilus
7. Duvenhage
8. Coleman
9. Rose (I mean WTF but name me one union who wouldn’t reach out to him after blowing their first 8 choices….)
19 Dec 2011, 13:13 pm
@stormersboy-69: Just need to correct this. It should read:
“Us top tier Super Rugby teams in SA (Read Sharks/Bulls) are sick of watching the rest (read Lions, Stormers and Cheetahs) gift all the overseas touring teams 5 points when they fly in each year. They barely had to even turn up in the past.”
However, a rejuvenated Lions will be a welcome addition to the Top Tier.
19 Dec 2011, 13:14 pm
@stormersboy-69: I guess anything above last or second last is an improvement for them
@>^..^< katman-70: ’cause they all got injured in turn. We were down to playing Duvenhage at flyhalf and flying in Rose at one stage before Grant made a recovery.
19 Dec 2011, 13:14 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-74: he he he exactly fella.
WP should be freeing up a bit of spare cash now that Mossie isn’t there…..
19 Dec 2011, 13:14 pm
Will be interesting to follow the progress of the “awesome” Stormers backline next year…
While the Sharks just keep on rolling…
19 Dec 2011, 13:17 pm
@Heavens Game-76: hahaha
Prat.
Stormers are the top performing SA side in the comp the last couple of years (league phase) aren’t they?
Where did the guppies come??
Oh wait. Never mind
19 Dec 2011, 13:20 pm
Considering the difficulties of other profligate Unions I feel lucky that the Sharks always seem to have some schmackeroos in the bank… Without even trying. Maybe its just because the Sharks are historically the pre-eminent Super Rugby brand. Crusaders are up there and Bulls in recent times.
It just seems so easy for the Sharks to have a healthy bank balance. Wonder why? I reckon its just because they are a farken consistently good side with amazing support.
19 Dec 2011, 13:24 pm
The gruppies have cash ’cause they spend peanuts on oupas.
19 Dec 2011, 13:24 pm
@stormersboy-80: Are they…? However I remember this “top performing SA side” losing to a Reds B team and a Saders C Team at “fortress” Newlands just this year… A farken gift that keeps on giving to the overseas teams clearly.
The only reason the Stormers made the knockouts last year was because of a Bulls gimme in the last league game…
This year there are quite a few similar reason why the Stormers overperformed only to achieve their true potential when it truly counted.
19 Dec 2011, 13:27 pm
@Michael-77: Ja, supporting the Stormers is a bit like queuing at the local Welfare Office. You spend months waiting for the Grant, and when it finally arrives it’s just so disappointing.
19 Dec 2011, 13:28 pm
Jealousy is an ugly trait from gruppies bitter they haven’t even made the semis since ’97.
19 Dec 2011, 13:29 pm
@>^..^< katman-84: I prefer Duvenhage as a flyhalf to Grant or as a scrummy. Hopefully someone like Gary will be given an extended run with Grant not due back from Japan anytime soon.
19 Dec 2011, 13:29 pm
I reckon best name/brand recognition for Super rugby teams by Rugby supporters in parts of the world without huge exposure to Super Rugby would be for the following teams:
Sharks, Bulls, Crusaders, Reds
The rest are pretty much of a muchness…
19 Dec 2011, 13:30 pm
@>^..^< katman-84: Hehehe
19 Dec 2011, 13:32 pm
Michael – I’m sure guppies made the final in 07?
19 Dec 2011, 13:37 pm
@Michael-85: You quite obviously have no idea what you are talking about… 2007 Sharks should have won the final if it wasn’t for some convenient reffing.
2008 Sharks were in a Semi. (Thats already more than the Stormers have
done in their history)
Obviously the Sharks are historically the pre-eminent SA Team for reaching the business end of the tournament…
Sharks also lose less to overseas opponents – i.e. they aren’t a pushover like other SA teams not quite in the top tier.
19 Dec 2011, 13:42 pm
This would be a great world Club Tournament. The biggest Top Tier teams playing one another every second year to see who is who in the Rugby Zoo.
I give you the elite:
Sharks
Toulouse
Crusaders
Leicester
Bulls
Munster
Reds
Clermont
19 Dec 2011, 13:46 pm
If Lions are struggling for a few Shekels I am sure Oom Brian and Oom Rudie from the Sharks will spare a few for Jantjes, Hollenbach and Taute. Sharks have a fairly full cupboard elsewhere.
Thankyouverymuch.
Rooibonte become Santa Claus
19 Dec 2011, 13:48 pm
My but the excitement seems to be building for the 2012 S15.
I’m quite enjoying the buildup. The novelty of having modest expectations – a top 6 finish for my young team – certainly takes some of the pressure off.
19 Dec 2011, 14:00 pm
Top 6 is anything but modest, old chap, given the hand you’re dealt.
19 Dec 2011, 14:02 pm
Top 4 for the Sharks as usual. Anything less is seen as failure. Unlike other teams.
19 Dec 2011, 14:09 pm
@Tacitus-93:
Good day
19 Dec 2011, 14:09 pm
@Heavens Game-90: Idiot. It was obviously a typo: ’07
Forgot about ’08. Then again, the gruppies performances are so uninspiring in recent years that they are easily forgettable.
19 Dec 2011, 14:10 pm
@Tacitus-93: Good luck. SA rugby needs a strong, dynamic and vibrant Bulls team.
19 Dec 2011, 14:11 pm
Magtag that scrap between Skop and Cab on Solly’s thread was epic!
19 Dec 2011, 14:13 pm
@Michael-98:
Can’t speak for the team, but I’m sure Tac is “strong, dynamic and vibrant “
19 Dec 2011, 14:13 pm
@Dawn-99: A draw
19 Dec 2011, 14:13 pm
@Dawn-100: second or third hand knowledge?
19 Dec 2011, 14:14 pm
@Michael-101:
At the end of reading that brawll, I find myself asking ….
so …….. what was the question again?
19 Dec 2011, 14:16 pm
@Michael-97: Strike 1: 1997 – In 2007 Sharks made the final and should have won, Strike 2: Sharks made playoffs in 2008. Strike 3: If it wasn’t for the Bulls gimme in 2010 it is quite conceivable that the Sharks or Tahs would have made the playoffs…
Ahem…lol
Whoosa idiot?
19 Dec 2011, 14:17 pm
Hehe.
I confess, all I have to go on is past history. And so I went and studied the rich history that is SA trophy success in Super Rugby…
And what I found is that the pattern requires a couple of years of making the play offs prior to a team experiencing trophy success.
Now, this may be a road that requires patience, but not so much as that of the team that are perpetual bridesmaids, seeing the promised land but never entering it and living in neverending hope that their moment in the sun will also arrive, eventually.
So, I’m giving it 2 years before the men in blue are top of the world once more.
19 Dec 2011, 14:17 pm
@Heavens Game-104:
You are!
19 Dec 2011, 14:18 pm
@Heavens Game-104: Hey twit, ’97 was a typo for ’07 and the fact is you didn’t win. I said I forgot about ’08 and the fact is simply you didn’t make it afterwards, no matter how you whinge.
Your golden period was in the Ian MacIntosh days. Talk about holding onto past glories.
19 Dec 2011, 14:18 pm
The Lions should be happy with a mid table finish
19 Dec 2011, 14:18 pm
@Tacitus-105:
Such reasoning blows my mind.
19 Dec 2011, 14:18 pm
@Tacitus-105: Might well be, as long as Meyer remains with the Bulls.
19 Dec 2011, 14:19 pm
Stormers and Sharks to fly the flag for S.A in the play-offs.
19 Dec 2011, 14:20 pm
@Tacitus-105: sounds about right.
19 Dec 2011, 14:23 pm
@Michael-107: It may have been a typo, but coming from you it wasn’t that obvious. Again, 2007 and 2008, Ian MacIntosh was not the coach…(Just in case you didn’t know that too or it may be another “typo”) Yes, not a “golden period” but pretty much par for the course for the mighty Sharks… playoffs are expected.
19 Dec 2011, 14:24 pm
What is the Stormers recent superugby results?
19 Dec 2011, 14:25 pm
@Dawn-106: Yes? The Prawn whiff is strong even from here in Doha.
19 Dec 2011, 14:26 pm
@Heavens Game-113: If the Sharks can sustain their performances they would make the final every year. They always start strongly for the first 6 weeks of the comp and then fade as the tournament goes on.
19 Dec 2011, 14:30 pm
@Tacitus-105: Yes. That team took a few years to win the Currie Cup for the first time in 1990… But when the seal was broken for the first time the Currie Cup was then pretty much owned by the Black and Whites for the better part of a decade…contrary to the “Never again in a 100 years” wisdom of Buck Tooth “Siener” Botha. Again, that same pattern has emerged from 2010 onwards with the CC… Along with this phenomenon, it looks like this could be Sharks year for Super Rugby too…
Team of the 90′s = Team of the 10′s
This coming from the true Sharks “siener”…
19 Dec 2011, 14:32 pm
@Heavens Game-81:
how does being a ‘farken consistently good side’ make you any money?
you have not won anything in the last 5 years save two cc titles and you also dont really ‘pack them in’ at the tank.
i’m just curious to know your reasoning?
19 Dec 2011, 14:34 pm
@Sasuke-116: Yes. You are right. But better to underachieve than overachieve like the Stormers bringing a continual false dawn… Yup, the Stormers… perpetual morning glory dysfunction….
19 Dec 2011, 14:37 pm
@Tacitus-105:
“but not so much as that of the team that are perpetual bridesmaids”
just who do you refer to here?
19 Dec 2011, 14:40 pm
@Heavens Game-115:
Maggot
19 Dec 2011, 14:43 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-118: Let me be explicit:
- Successful merchandising
- Consistently high season ticket and suite holder sales
- Consistent match day crowd attendance
- Successful Branding strategy
- Half decent management (relative to most other SA Unions – daylight in between though not excellent)
All = Money in the bank.
Income > Costs leading to a bigger surplus year on year than most other unions.
Cumulatively over the entire history of Super Rugby – probably the most successful Union financially in the entire competition.
Simple. Get that?
19 Dec 2011, 14:43 pm
@Heavens Game-117:
“contrary to the “Never again in a 100 years” wisdom of Buck Tooth “Siener” Botha”
19 Dec 2011, 14:46 pm
@Dawn-99: Like Yin and Yang those two. They almost sell the concept single handedly.
19 Dec 2011, 14:47 pm
@Dawn-121: Maggot, huh? Prawny, are you flirting with me? Here, let me serenade you…
You’re a b.um
You’re a p.unk
You’re an old s.lut on j.unk
Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed
You scumbag, you ma.ggot
You cheap lousy fa.ggot
Happy Christmas your a.rse
I pray G.od it’s our last
The boys of the NYPD choir
Still singing “Galway Bay”
And the bells were ringing out
For Christmas day
19 Dec 2011, 14:50 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-123: Ja, guess he didn’t see the “right” future, hey?
I fear Tacitus may be looking in the same farked up Crystal ball…
19 Dec 2011, 14:55 pm
@Heavens Game-113: Those two years, and the one earlier final with Straeuli, were an abnormality in what has been nothing but mediocrity since MacIntosh departed. Fact is that the Sharks have been the third best SA franchise for the last couple of years and the trend looks to continue with Bosman on your books, no real backup for Lambie and a return to trying to buy success.
Loyalty is admirable. Self-delusion is not.
19 Dec 2011, 14:57 pm
@Sasuke-114:
’11: semis
’10: finals
’09: not worth mentioning
’08: 5th
The Banana Boys have got a long way to go to making the semis again.
19 Dec 2011, 14:58 pm
@Heavens Game-122:
oh ok.
- i will agree that the sharks definetely have a very good branding strategy and are successful at merchandising the sharks products (whatever they may be).
- i dont know enough of the management so accept your word.
- are season ticket and suite holder sale really that high?
- i think that ‘consistent match day crowd attendance’ is a debatable statement (how do the sharks compare against all of the super rugby franchises as well as cc and vc? are they in the top 4 or 5?)
- perhpas its more fair to say they have a consistent enough crowd attendance to make extra cash but that this figure is avaraged out and most importantly includeds any and all playoffs that the sharks have made in recent times, without which their attendance figures would probably drop signaficantly.
i am curous to know if they are the most successful union financially.
you fail to mention sponsorship/partnership deals like, for instance, the mr price relationship and how much that brings in?
i do know that mr price sells a lot of clothing.
19 Dec 2011, 15:03 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-129: Yes, sponsorship/partnership deals play their part. Interesting that the Sharks could afford to do the “go and whistle” to ABSA for the Stadium naming rights too.
19 Dec 2011, 15:03 pm
I am trying to paint a picture in my mind of Tac kitted out in his new Bulls jumper
Not a pretty sight…
19 Dec 2011, 15:04 pm
Classy.
19 Dec 2011, 15:06 pm
I find this part particularly “endearing”.
“You’re a b.um
You’re a p.unk
You’re an old s.lut on j.unk
Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed
You scumbag, you ma.ggot
You cheap lousy fa.ggot
Happy Christmas your a.rse
I pray G.od it’s our last”
19 Dec 2011, 15:06 pm
@Heavens Game-122: “probably the most successful Union financially in the entire competition”? Like your Malta “probably” nonsense, eh. The Crusaders will have something to say about that.
At least Tac says what he writes is his own opinion. You state yours are “probably” or “fact”; how very British.
19 Dec 2011, 15:07 pm
@Bod-131: Fark, I reckon Puma have pulled a fast one over the people of Pretoria with that one… Watch for the Lightning Bolt Blue clothing trend on the highveld in 2012. lol
19 Dec 2011, 15:09 pm
@Michael-128:
technically they come in sixth on the log for the 2011 sr season.
still only second to the stormers, out of the sa franchises though.
19 Dec 2011, 15:09 pm
@Michael-128: What happened in 09′ I cannot remember?
19 Dec 2011, 15:10 pm
@Michael-134: My Malta “nonsense” proved beyond a doubt that you, despite your supposed letters behind your name, can not do simple division, research or critical thinking for that matter…
But then again, bone brushing or dusting, doesn’t really require simple maths, eh?
19 Dec 2011, 15:10 pm
@Michael-128: Thanks
19 Dec 2011, 15:11 pm
@Dawn-133: Yes, Dawny… You and me, hey… How about it?
Whiplash and HG doing the Keo whoopi…
19 Dec 2011, 15:12 pm
@Heavens Game-122: Can you back that up with actual figures?
Maybe some sort of financial announcement or Balance Sheet/ I/s?
Or are you, as usual, just mouthing off?
The only actual reported figure that I can recall is the average gate takings. Which puts WPRU consistently ahead of the Sharks by some margin.
I’m open to correction, but backed by hard facts.
Has there ever been a credible study on brand value?
Would be keen to see it.
19 Dec 2011, 15:13 pm
@Heavens Game-122:
Sharks are the biggest chokers in super rugby plenty of hot air no silverware.
19 Dec 2011, 15:14 pm
@Bod-131:
Pretty in pink.
And to think they laughed at the Stormers jersey this year.
What comes around,goes around.
19 Dec 2011, 15:18 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-136: It’s a sad state of affairs when a franchise with a center pairing of Oupa and Turnstile come in 6th.
People like HG are never representative of the types of people supporting a SA franchise, imo. South Africa needs all its franchises to do well. I fear though that the Sharks will not achieve their previous glories until they learn that developing youngsters is the way to go, ala the Stormers and Bulls.
19 Dec 2011, 15:22 pm
@Sasuke-137: Rassie was the coach in ’09 and couldn’t sustain his ’08 success in reviving the fortunes of the Stormers. I don’t remember in what position they finish except that it was very piss-poor.
19 Dec 2011, 15:23 pm
@Heavens Game-138: Spoken like a true blind right-whinger.
19 Dec 2011, 15:24 pm
@stormersboy-141: He is mouthing off again – good at proclaiming his delusions as certainties, with reality being hot air.
19 Dec 2011, 15:24 pm
@NZINCHINA-142: Yup.
19 Dec 2011, 15:25 pm
I’ve done a quick analysis on the last years of Super Rugby. Using a simple points system I’ve awarded 3 points to the winners of the comp, 2 points to the runners up and 1 point to the losing semi finalists.
Based on that formula the success of the “top tier SA teams” looks like this:
Last year:
Stormers 1 point (losing semi)
Rest of SA: 0
Last 2 years:
Bulls 3 points
Stormers 3 points
Rest of SA: 0
Last 3 years:
Bulls 6 points
Stormers 3 points
Rest of SA: 0
Last 5 years:
Bulls 6 points
Stormers 3 points
Sharks 3 points
Last 10 years:
Bulls 8 points
Stormers 4 points
Sharks 3 points
HG has a point
I think that the “top tier” is too large. It’s really only 2 teams. The Bulls and the Stormers.
19 Dec 2011, 15:25 pm
@Michael-147:
he’s like the goodyear blimp
19 Dec 2011, 15:27 pm
This is too good a post to leave at the bottom of a page. Repost alert:
I’ve done a quick analysis on the last years of Super Rugby. Using a simple points system I’ve awarded 3 points to the winners of the comp, 2 points to the runners up and 1 point to the losing semi finalists.
Based on that formula the success of the “top tier SA teams” looks like this:
Last year:
Stormers 1 point (losing semi)
Rest of SA: 0
Last 2 years:
Bulls 3 points
Stormers 3 points
Rest of SA: 0
Last 3 years:
Bulls 6 points
Stormers 3 points
Rest of SA: 0
Last 5 years:
Bulls 6 points
Stormers 3 points
Sharks 3 points
Last 10 years:
Bulls 8 points
Stormers 4 points
Sharks 3 points
HG has a point
I think that the “top tier” is too large. It’s really only 2 teams. The Bulls and the Stormers.
19 Dec 2011, 15:30 pm
@NZINCHINA-150: There was a time that Goodyear tyres were decent, much like the Sharks
19 Dec 2011, 15:31 pm
@stormersboy-151: Nice. Thanks.
19 Dec 2011, 15:31 pm
@stormersboy-151: And you haven’t even calculated your Plascon Wall & All points into that equation.
19 Dec 2011, 15:34 pm
@Michael-146: Aah, now I understand… When you say “Conservative” or “right-winger” you actually mean superior maths, logic skills…?
19 Dec 2011, 15:34 pm
@>^..^< katman-154: Yes! And the FirstChoice Furniture trophy we won for beating Boland last year too!
Our cup runneth over
19 Dec 2011, 15:36 pm
@stormersboy-151: What, you got a stutter? Sheez, talk about hot air and massaging numbers… Fark, continuing your logic you could make the Cats the best SA Franchise in history…
Farken daydreaming, man….
19 Dec 2011, 15:38 pm
@stormersboy-141: Actual this vs Actual that…
And No, the Sharks do not use Tendersure…
19 Dec 2011, 15:38 pm
@Heavens Game-158: Forgot to preface with blah farken blah…
19 Dec 2011, 15:41 pm
@Heavens Game-155: The only thing rational and logical about your recent posts is the ability to get the grammar reasonably accurate.
19 Dec 2011, 15:41 pm
@Heavens Game-157: The numbers are there for all to see.
And only using your logic would the Cats be the most successful franchise ever.
Still waiting on you to support your argument with anything concrete on the financial front.
19 Dec 2011, 15:41 pm
@NZINCHINA-142: Oh dear Kiwi in the house… Must be gentle… Can’t have another Guildford… or Poppa incident… can we.
Just remember sheepshagger, if you give then you BETTER be able to take…. without crying to Mummy, okay?
19 Dec 2011, 15:43 pm
You know things are bad when Skop’s posts make more sense than HG’s.
19 Dec 2011, 15:44 pm
@Michael-160: My recent posts? So not the Malta posts where you finished off looking a bit, lets say politely, lightweight… despite them letters after the name… lol
19 Dec 2011, 15:45 pm
@Heavens Game-158: That’s pretty obvious.
If they had used them on the “procurement” front they wouldn’t have ended up with acquisitions like Meyer Bosman, Marius Joubert et al…
But attempting to take a dig at Tendersure is missing the mark son. I don’t own that company.
Have no equity in it whatsoever.
I do consult to them however, amongst other companies.
You see, unlike you, I can smell a success story
19 Dec 2011, 15:45 pm
@stormersboy-151:
sjoe! when you put it that way
@>^..^< katman-154:
@stormersboy-156:
@Heavens Game-158:
19 Dec 2011, 15:46 pm
@Heavens Game-164: Of course it includes those posts of yours. They are Exhibit A of your self-delusional grandeour “my opinions are facts” er “logic”.
19 Dec 2011, 15:46 pm
@stormersboy-161: “The” numbers…? You mean “your” numbers…
Farken fictional cuzzie…
About as realistic as Standard & Poors’ Credit ratings… They also have numbers too. lol
19 Dec 2011, 15:47 pm
@stormersboy-161: What, asking HG to support his stance with concrete facts? Dude!
19 Dec 2011, 15:48 pm
@Michael-163:
Jinne he’s a miserable git.
19 Dec 2011, 15:49 pm
@stormersboy-165: Come now… I reckon by the looks of things, if they used Tendersure, they may have landed up either with a fully blonde backline… or CJ vd Linde at Fullback…
So thank goodness for Sharks moderate management… Sure is a lot of daylight between them and the Tobie Titus’s of the “elite” Super Rugby teams, ne? lol
19 Dec 2011, 15:49 pm
@Dawn-170: Yeah I suppose. I’m bored and those two are easy prey.
19 Dec 2011, 15:51 pm
@Michael-167:
He’s got vokkol letters behind his name.
Jealous he is.
19 Dec 2011, 15:51 pm
Good thing Goode isn’t playing anymore or Straeuli will have been tempted to sign up another old-age pensioner
19 Dec 2011, 15:51 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-166: Yes, there’s no denying it, the Bulls are streets ahead when it comes to the Super Rugby competition success.
Deservedly so.
@Heavens Game-168: Whatever Trevor.
19 Dec 2011, 15:52 pm
@Michael-169: Yes, concrete facts… Not labels, conjecture and accepted old wives tale wisdom… Yes, like your Malta fairytale… lol
And you call yourself a historian or archaeologist… Sheez… Must be farken easy one of those pieces of paper… Hehe
19 Dec 2011, 15:53 pm
@Dawn-173: Mwwahhh… Big kiss for you… Wink, wink.
19 Dec 2011, 15:55 pm
@Dawn-173: There’s a nice story I like to tell interested people. I was digging at Dune Field Midden (west Coast) at the end of 1997. We visited a farm towards the end where the owner showed us the Oldowan and Acheulian stone tools on his land, as well as what were obvious resting places in stone. Unlike many of the farmers around in the area, he was very interested in archaeology and history, taught himself, established contacts with the department, etc. All in all, I wish more members of the public where like him.
19 Dec 2011, 15:55 pm
@Heavens Game-171: You need to give me more than just conjecture fella.
Actually, suing the Tendersure procurement system, if you had weighted the various critreria for acquisition targets i cannot see on what basis you would have selected any of those players.
The one thing that it does very well is take the emotion out of decision making, and rely on an objective basis for measurement.
Something that, judging by your posts, you seem to struggle to do.
19 Dec 2011, 15:56 pm
@Heavens Game-176: So come on, where are those er “facts” stomersboy asked you to provide… Come on, or is it just another lot of Maltese hot air?
19 Dec 2011, 15:56 pm
@Michael-174: Yeah I forgot about that brilliant management move by the astute Sharks management.
19 Dec 2011, 15:59 pm
@stormersboy-181: Along with moving Terrablanche to outside center and buying Bosman, letting go of Pienaar and Steyn, etc. A model to hold up to other unions
19 Dec 2011, 16:01 pm
PS I was watching the Bath – Leinster game yesterday and they announced that the match day attendance had just taken second place in the all time highest attendance figures for Heineken Cup.
First was at Stade Francais, close to 80 000 (wow)
But this was a clear second, at 44 000.
Again, wow.
19 Dec 2011, 16:03 pm
@Michael-182: Maybe that’s where they save all this loot that HG is talking about.
Stephan, Goode, Bosman and Joubert were probably paying the Sharks for the opportunity.
Couldn’t be the other way around, could it? Wouldn’t make sense……
19 Dec 2011, 16:03 pm
Eish… At least the Stormers haven’t got that Christmas Tree jersey from Christmas past…
Looks like the Bulls may have stolen the design….
Like the Stormers tried to imitate the pre-eminent SA Super rugby side of the time (The Sharks) with the first Bob Skinstad forays into Branding…
Hehehe
19 Dec 2011, 16:06 pm
@Michael-180: You know what they say about adapting to your audience….
I am adapting and descending rapidly…
19 Dec 2011, 16:08 pm
@stormersboy-184: Pfft…Conjecture…
19 Dec 2011, 16:09 pm
@Heavens Game-186: Be nice to Stormersboy, he is a nice guy and one of the sane WP supporters.
19 Dec 2011, 16:12 pm
Stormers attendance figures for Newlands for the past years:
2002
Total for season: 212 156 (5 matches at Newlands)
Average per match: 42 431
Highest during season: 48 700 vs Brumbies
2003
Total for season: 179 848 (6 matches at Newlands)
Average per match: 29 975
Highest during season: 44 533 vs Sharks
2004
Total for season: 198 365 (5 matches at Newlands)
Average per match: 37 873
Highest during season: 44 466 vs Bulls
2005
Total for season: 206 848 (6 matches at Newlands)
Average per match: 34 475
Highest during season: 48 719 vs Sharks
2006
Total for season: 247 711 (7 matches at Newlands)
Average per match: 35 387
Highest during season: 49 736 vs Bulls
2007
Total for season: 169 147 (6 matches at Newlands)
Average per match: 28 191
Highest during season: 47 566 vs Sharks
2008
Total for season: 311 582 (7 matches at Newlands)
Average per match: 44 512 (Highest since 1999)
Highest during season: 47 895 vs Bulls (Highest since 1999)
2009
Total for season: 199 186 (6 matches at Newlands)
Average per match: 33 198
Highest during season: 47 604 vs Sharks
2010
Total for season: 344 500 (8 matches at Newlands)
Average per match: 43 063
Highest during season: 48 739 vs Bulls
2011
Total for season: 360 554 (9 matches at Newlands)
Average per match: 40 062
Highest during season: 48 492 vs Crusaders
FYI some records just because they are there:
Season records
Most team points in a season: 400 (in 16 matches in 2011)
Most victories in a season: 12 (from 16 in 2011)
Most log points in a season: 63 (2011)
Most team tries in a season: 38 (in 12 matches in 2004)
19 Dec 2011, 16:13 pm
Lets talk about some “brilliant” Stormer management moves…
Naah, maybe not… You know what they say about long posts…
19 Dec 2011, 16:13 pm
@Heavens Game-187: lol
19 Dec 2011, 16:13 pm
@Treehugger-188: Okay.
19 Dec 2011, 16:15 pm
@Heavens Game-186: *waves you goodbye from the heights* Good luck. any further and you’ll be joining Poppa the Poodle.
19 Dec 2011, 16:16 pm
@stormersboy-184: Must have got them on a Seniors/Senile Card discount.
19 Dec 2011, 16:17 pm
@Treehugger-188: Thanks Hugsy. Extra helping of veggies tonight in your honour!!
19 Dec 2011, 16:17 pm
@stormersboy-189: Yes. Treehugger has told me to “be nice”…
Tobie Titus’s Stormers are immaculately managed… A professional Union in a league of their own…
Amazing crowd support…
(Of course I wont mention half of this “home” crowd support the opposing team especially if they happen to come from the big sheepfarm of the Pacific…)
19 Dec 2011, 16:20 pm
@stormersboy-175:
3 titles in 5 years is pretty much the end of the discussion…case closed…(move along folks, move along… there’s nothin to see here…)
to be fair though perhaps the ‘top tier’ of the sa conference, as well the comp as a whole, shoud be agreed upon as consisting of an agreed number of sa super teams (however that may be done) and the same can be done for cc as well vc.
19 Dec 2011, 16:20 pm
@Heavens Game-192: lololololol
19 Dec 2011, 16:20 pm
No union which signed Skullet has the right to laugh at others.
19 Dec 2011, 16:20 pm
@Michael-193: Yes, so we have established you have difficulty with a bit of 2 divided by 2…. Maybe there could be a bit of dixlesic condition at best or actual difficulty with the a, e, i, o, u’s at worst… Hellsteeth man, UCT your alma mater (same as ET?)… Same difficulties it seems. hehe
19 Dec 2011, 16:21 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-197: SA rugby needs the Bulls to come right again.
19 Dec 2011, 16:21 pm
@Heavens Game-196: Actually on the management front you will get no argument from me.
Tobie is to good management what Imelda Marcos was to frugality.
19 Dec 2011, 16:22 pm
@stormersboy-195: hahahahaha lliar !!!!!! you hate veggies.
19 Dec 2011, 16:22 pm
@Heavens Game-200: So, about those “facts” you have been repeatedly asked to provide…?
19 Dec 2011, 16:23 pm
@stormersboy-202: Tobie and Straeuli would make a good twin joke act.
19 Dec 2011, 16:23 pm
@Michael-199: Except at the Union that signed Pearl Rose…
Farken rather Skullet than Pearl any day of the week… But then again judging from your, ahem, “knowledge”, you probably think Pearl is a tighthead prop…
19 Dec 2011, 16:25 pm
@Heavens Game-206: He was flown over as cover simply because he had a visa already. He was originally signed as a promising youngster before he moved to the Lions.
Of course you are aware of all this but don’t let facts continue getting in the way of your fantasies…
19 Dec 2011, 16:25 pm
@stormersboy-202: Hehehe… Talking about profligacy long live Kim Jong IL…
19 Dec 2011, 16:25 pm
@Treehugger-203: That’s how much I appreciated your support!
Actually I lie. I’m not going to eat any extra veggies tonight..
It’s braai time.
Unless potato bake counts as veggies???
They do, don’t they?
19 Dec 2011, 16:25 pm
@Heavens Game-206: Now, about those facts stormersboy asked you to provide, skullet-lover?
19 Dec 2011, 16:26 pm
@stormersboy-209: Enjoy the braai. I’m getting out of the British weather soon… Can’t wait.
19 Dec 2011, 16:26 pm
@Michael-207: Excuses… excuses… Skullet was also short term cover… But then again I am adapting to my audience. lol
19 Dec 2011, 16:28 pm
@Michael-210: The facts are spelt out in earlier posts… Just take my word for it… The explanations might be too complicated otherwise… (Hehehe…)
19 Dec 2011, 16:28 pm
@Heavens Game-212: Facts… And Goode was brought in for the remainder of the campaign, not as emergency cover simply because he had a visa. Goode was your starting flyhalf.
Facts, not conjecture boetjie. Learn the difference and come up for some supper afterwards kiddo.
19 Dec 2011, 16:29 pm
@Heavens Game-213: You didn’t provide the numbers asked for except in your delusions.
19 Dec 2011, 16:29 pm
@Heavens Game-208: Yeah long live the dynasty.
I’m hoping for a bit more backbone from his boy. None of this “feint manoeuvrings” here and “feint manoeuvrings” there….
Grow a pair son.
Poke the tiger.
I’m purchasing shares in a US based construction firm that specializes in “reconstruction of conflict damaged infrastructure” in anticipation as we speak.
19 Dec 2011, 16:30 pm
@Michael-211: I will!
19 Dec 2011, 16:33 pm
@stormersboy-209: my least favorite veggie, cept in potato salad. Enjoy your braai, have family coming on the 24th and they all ask the same question “what meat shall we bring” no body seems to believe we vegetarian, I think cos of hubby.
19 Dec 2011, 16:34 pm
@Michael-214: The Banana Boys had Pienaar at flyhalf and Rory at scrummy. Someone, in a move only the Sharks can comprehend, Skullet replace Pienaar who in turn bumped Rory out of the starting line-up. There was no need for a Skullet.
19 Dec 2011, 16:34 pm
@Treehugger-218: Haha Nice to have the family around.
Mostly.
19 Dec 2011, 16:35 pm
Can i get sued for calling a g.ay guy and drama queen and emphasize on queen i said to him ???? his partner reckons they going to sue me, I told him to knock himself out.
19 Dec 2011, 16:35 pm
@stormersboy-217: Lucky. Wish I was back home for a hot Christmas again.
Anyways, I’m outta here. Bored with baiting HG – like shooting a dead fish on a fishmonger’s counter – and off home to start packing
19 Dec 2011, 16:36 pm
@Michael-214: Hehe… Pipe down now… Before that foefie valve oversqueaks and maybe breaks….
19 Dec 2011, 16:37 pm
@Michael-201:
for the bulls to come right again, a hero (bakkies 2.0) must rise…
and by extension for the springboks, a reconditioned bakkies (version 1.9.05) must in the mean time be retrofitted and take to the field to calm the evil kiwi waters while a rightful heir is groomed over the next two seasons.
and yes, a matfield 2.0 is a close second…
19 Dec 2011, 16:40 pm
@stormersboy-216: Yup, the only problem is, is that the Tiger is going to be poked as a coming-of-age prove himself ceremony… China has been waiting for this for years…
North Korea picks a fight with the South… Japan gets itchy and militarises…
Bob’s your Uncle… No US firm welcome in the neighbourhood though…
19 Dec 2011, 16:40 pm
@Treehugger-221: LOL.
de minimis non curat lex
19 Dec 2011, 16:41 pm
@stormersboy-220: I am not to family orientated, you can choose your friends but not family.
19 Dec 2011, 16:44 pm
@Treehugger-221: Ja, you got to be careful of taking the Michael with Moffies in the age of PC…
19 Dec 2011, 16:44 pm
@Heavens Game-225: The Chinese will not come to NK’s aid this time. They are as sick as the rest of the world of his nonsensical sabre rattling. It’s been too bad for business.
Imagine what it must feel like to have bob as your neighbor, with a nuclear capability?
No, the Chinese will be very happy to see the end of that country.
A bit of “lebensraum” if you will……
19 Dec 2011, 16:53 pm
@stormersboy-216:
honestly, i dont think the americans will go poking anywhere that the chinese dont want them too. they’ve already fought a war over that patch of turf. set a number of records that havn’t been broken before or since.
- longest continual retreat in kilometers of an american army in the field.
- quickest retreat measured in time of an american army in the field.
among others.
19 Dec 2011, 16:57 pm
@stormersboy-229: Nope… China have Stealth Bomber, Aircraft carrier, Cyberwarfare programs and increasing defence spend as proportion of GDP for the specific purposes of stamping their mark once and for all on Asia and “protecting their interests” everywhere… While the US withdraws from everywhere, China will be advancing… Trigger Point Korea… Then Taiwan… A little bit of offshore Angola here and Mozambique there (yes, mozambique – huge recent offshore discoveries)…. And in between their Japanese bete noir…
Yup, the great game is being played big time… Banking Turmoil, Arab Spring, Euro collapse, now N Korea… Russian realignment…
Buy your torches, gaslamps and tinned food with a couple of swiss army knives too… And then go camp on higher ground…
19 Dec 2011, 16:57 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-230: Maybe. They will back the South Koreans if it came to something, but I doubt it.
19 Dec 2011, 16:59 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-230: Yeah… Not many movies made about the Korean War, eh?
19 Dec 2011, 16:59 pm
Okay, over and out for now…
19 Dec 2011, 17:00 pm
@Heavens Game-231: All that reverse engineering and stolen blueprints.
They are the new superpower for sure, but they rely on the US to buy their products so I’m sure at this stage they won’t butt heads.
But I have a bug out kit all ready just in case…..
19 Dec 2011, 17:01 pm
@Heavens Game-233: MASH??
19 Dec 2011, 17:16 pm
@stormersboy-229:
@stormersboy-232:
ja, more or less i disagree completely.
the chinese will never allow the americans or anyone else for that matter to build up any sort of military capability anywhere in nk under any circumstances ever imo.
they’re already at odds wrt sea borders & us activity in central asia.
they’ve openly accused the us of attempting to encircle them.
there has been a low level conflict of sorts taking place between these two powers for a number of years already as they jockey for position as world powers.
consider the hainan incident when the chinks made the us president apologise in writing for the spy plane incident which occured.
or the us bombing of the chinese embassy.
or the chinese downing of a high orbit satellite.
theres lots more if you sift the information filters.
@Heavens Game-233:
exactly.
a propaganda tool is a necessary thing.
@Heavens Game-231:
the russians are not out of the game either, not by a long shot.
interesting times…interesting times…
19 Dec 2011, 17:16 pm
@Michael-205:
Tobie Titus and Averil have nothing to do with running the business at the Stormers/WP franchise, that’s Rob Wagner domain
They are running the WP Union which is in charge of all the rest: embazzeling here, stealing there but have no say nor control of the big business
Strauli at the other hand is The Man at the Sharks on all business and personnel affairs
19 Dec 2011, 17:18 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-237: Maybe.
Speculation all.
The Chinese will push things as far as they think they can and still get away with it.
That’s for sure.
Masters of brinkmanship.
19 Dec 2011, 17:19 pm
Anyway, a good day’s debate with all.
Fire lighting time.
Adios all.
19 Dec 2011, 17:22 pm
@stormersboy-240:
cheers…
19 Dec 2011, 17:30 pm
Think both China and Russia both will become even more involved with NK……… new very young leader, easy to manipulate, maybe infighting with the generals, then there is the US camped in SK which China cannot like, jeepers they even freaking cos US is going to have a military base in Australia.
19 Dec 2011, 17:37 pm
OMG !!!!!!!
STORMERSBOY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR STORMERBOY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU
19 Dec 2011, 17:45 pm
@Treehugger-242:
yip, interesting times, interesting times…
now if only they’d focus on their rugby
19 Dec 2011, 19:43 pm
@Treehugger-243: LOL Thanks Hugsy!
19 Dec 2011, 19:58 pm
talking world war III Armageddon blues all over again.. yippedee do..dah dey
exciting times they say… world banking infrastructure on the brink of collapse and the big breek super duper powers wanna rattle sabers all year long
and then they still wanna know how or why the Mayans could see it coming all those picturesque years ago in their astrological charts…
But better you don’t ask any scientist cause he gonna ask you how come it ain’t visible in his DNA or God Particle measuring machine
19 Dec 2011, 20:16 pm
Sagittarius is a good enough sign to be born under … after all if you willing to take HG’s word for it God himself is born under the sign of Sagittarius…. poor God he decided to visit planet earth to save some lost forlorn sheep out their obtuse misery and they couldn’t recognize him.. and strung him up on a crucifix ….same as they still can’t.. though they somehow think they could or would or should.. if ever he made himself illegibly human again?
Wonder what the scientists highfalutin theory would go around that…?
Long as its more ham, pork, and turkey on the BBQ come heathen pagan ritual hark the herald of the solstice day.. who the fck would actually care to consider their far fetched verdict anyway…
19 Dec 2011, 20:27 pm
@ashampoopaloo-246: Put your money where your mouth is, Mr Phonypants. If you’re so convinced the “Mayans” got it right, and that it’s all over now, baby blue, then sell your bakkie, sell your business, sell your house and pitch your tent up on Table Mountain to watch the spectacle unfold. Or why even sell? Just give it away. Or are you perhaps just a bit too scientifically inclined for that kind of commitment? You big old fake hippy bogus tralala bulshitter.
19 Dec 2011, 20:30 pm
Or maybe He was a Capricorn.. or no perhaps I think the Xtians say he was a Pisces.. that’s why they got fishies painted on their bumper stickers … or was it not Virgo … or Aries or Taurus …
nobody even knows when God was born.. even if you ask the Pope he couldn’t tell you.. yet in less than six days from now the world is gonna go gagga celebrating his supposed birthday.. which they still dunno when it actually was..
beautiful day dreams for human beings …if they ain’t got a reason to go gagga they’ll create one. and sing around the maypole or the totem pole for a feast made in heaven..
19 Dec 2011, 20:32 pm
I sense a brawl in the force
19 Dec 2011, 20:41 pm
@>^..^< katman-248: whats with you dumb fck arsehole ?? you buying into the Mayan prophecies or not? dumb arse klutz deluxe..?
Whether they right or wrong.. what it gonna matter when reality dawns on your dumb klutz face
or as you watch the moving finger write and having writ, move on
nor with all thy wit shall thou lure it back to cancel half a line,
nor all thy tears wash out a word of it
Me I go day by day same as the Japanese did day by day when the tsunami came … if Krakatoa gonna erupt.. you ain’t gonna stop it.. no matter you got crystal clear sighted awareness or not… so better you invest some more shares in your hedge bet off shore fidelity fund.. while the going still good you dumb dubious klutz of klutzes…
19 Dec 2011, 20:53 pm
@ashampoopaloo-251: So all your “knowledge” is pretty fckn useless then, by your own admission. Fcked if you know and fcked if you don’t. The big wave will get us all. Difference is, I’ll most likely be washing down some tender lamb chops with a big, balsy shiraz when it happens. Sparing only the briefest of thoughts for you with your crystal clear vision and your leftover chickpea curry.
19 Dec 2011, 20:55 pm
Come on guys no need to fight, we live in interesting times and everybody has an opinion, what ever happens happens and we are powerless to stop whatever, believe dont believe, there is no proper proof, Just a SIGN OF THE TIMES.
19 Dec 2011, 21:01 pm
@Treehugger-253: Don’t you get tired of his “eccentric” I’m-so-hippy-it-hurts rubbish that he passes off here for mystical fact, night after night after night? He’s a pottymouthed phony and needs to be told so, repeatedly, until he either owns up or shuts up. I don’t mind which.
19 Dec 2011, 21:03 pm
Beeeg joke … ha ha ha ha ha … you be laughing other side of your fancy pansy arsehole when the sh’t hits the fan.. with that half braised bloody leg of lamb stuck halfway down your ravenous gluttonous barbarous blood lusting heathenish craw…
better catch a beeeeg wake up while the going still good because it ain’t gonna be as good as it seems forever dead deal delivered dearest daddy ‘O
19 Dec 2011, 21:06 pm
@ashampoopaloo-255: Spit it out, oh raggedy earthchild, what exactly will be the difference between us on the day? Im after specifics here.
19 Dec 2011, 21:10 pm
change the subject quick ….
I’m so hippy it hurts don’t wanna tramp on fake arse little phony weasels big pretentious toes
so which Coach you gonna be happy with Katmankantdo-fuckall-about-it..??
AC – Heyneke – Or Smal ??
Even that much is game set and match already.. whether you wanna speculate about the outcome of whats already written or NOT.. Dumb fck stupendously idiotic superfluous ignoramus dunce deluxe…
whatever gonna fck you up is gonna fck you up.. in spite of all your highfalutin know nothing wildly inaccurate educated guesses..
19 Dec 2011, 21:14 pm
@>^..^< katman-254: Skop is not going to change, no matter what any one says to him, they only way if you dont want reactions from a person is not to react to what they are writing/saying unless you yourself want to make a point, my point to a twisted fecker today might have landed me in a lot of kuk, but have found out they cant do a thing. I get into a few sticky situations saying things, but have found if I stick to the facts there is not much anyone you are arguing or fighting with can retaliate with. Repeating one self to a person who is not prepared to listen and absorb what you are saying is pointless.
19 Dec 2011, 21:15 pm
@>^..^< katman-256: what clear as daylight specifics would you like to hear little numb skull ignoramus dunce deluxe?? which true to fact fandango would you like to hear my baby blue eyed son… as you ravenously claw away at another hump of flesh you so humanely wrench from its life’s blood.. you silver spoon fed idiotic half way educated pathetic miserable derelict dumbfck dunce…
19 Dec 2011, 21:20 pm
@Treehugger-258: sidle up missy goody two shoes save the planet from extinction .. you don’t stand a foggy faint chance in hell… the ravenous killers of creation gonna kill it any which way the cookie gonna crumble.. no matter how much custard you got pumping through your veins…
killers are killers whichever other goody two shoes half bred ratified identity you wanna pretend they are not…
19 Dec 2011, 21:26 pm
@ashampoopaloo-259: Anything, old chap, as long as it’s not more vague mumbo jumbo. Because I suspect that’s all you have. You just shake the big old mysticism for dummies box and see what falls out. And every time, without fail, it’s some sad, regurgitated, remixed spiritual cliche, and you’re not even sure where you heard it anymore.
19 Dec 2011, 21:34 pm
Skop stop with the fecking namecalling FFS please man
19 Dec 2011, 21:35 pm
@ashampoopaloo-260: There are millions of people like me around the world and our numbers will grow, we might not make a big difference but we try, unfortunately big money and instant gratification are winning right now, but more and more people are paying attention to what is happening around them, the ones that see but dont give a toss are the problem.
The more exposure the better the public will be informed.
Night Night……. oh have never been called a goodytwoshoes before, a lot off nasty names which i am used to, this goodytwoshoes will take some getting used to, but i am liking it
19 Dec 2011, 21:36 pm
“you silver spoon fed idiotic half way educated pathetic miserable derelict dumbfck dunce…”
So bloody inanely unnecessary
19 Dec 2011, 21:43 pm
I been abused enough by likes of HG here. Its not smart nor funny.
19 Dec 2011, 21:45 pm
@Dawn-264: Let him be. It’s all he’s got.
19 Dec 2011, 21:46 pm
@Dawn-264: I’ll call your little pathetic ponsified pissarse fancy panty pansy what he exactly is… whether you appreciate me telling the little pissarse prat what he in fact is or not… you wanna change it call Roy.. if he still bows to your pretentious pious peer pressure..
19 Dec 2011, 21:50 pm
this little katmankunt thinks he’s kinda clever .. pity for him nobody ever told him he ain’t… till it one day gonna Dawn on him in his dumb fck delirious waking state how absolutely stupefied ignorant imbecilic he actually is..
19 Dec 2011, 21:55 pm
@ashampoopaloo-268: Ja, so you said. Ad fckn nauseum. Like a stuck record.
Without profanity alliteration and ready-mix mysticism, what would be left of you? That’s the sad part of this exchange.
19 Dec 2011, 21:57 pm
@ashampoopaloo-267: That is fecking ugly of you talking to Dawn like that, I would not have expected that of you, what ! do you freak out at any one that does not agree with you, very un-enlightend, and by the way Dawn comes across as a very down to earth person that calls a spade a spade in her book, rather pick on goodytwoshoes.
19 Dec 2011, 21:58 pm
I mean this is what I got today:
“Heavens Game Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
@Dawn-121: Maggot, huh? Prawny, are you flirting with me? Here, let me serenade you…
You’re a b.um
You’re a p.unk
You’re an old s.lut on j.unk
Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed
You scumbag, you ma.ggot
You cheap lousy fa.ggot
Happy Christmas your a.rse
I pray G.od it’s our last”
Real man stuff.
19 Dec 2011, 22:00 pm
you same kind as that other fckarse figment of his own fckd up imagination pretentiously pretending he got the patent out on ‘original thought’ ….
what a f’ng laugh a minute these dumb fck half arsed excuses for so called educated dumb fck derelict dubious intelligence as these monkee moegoe make believe artists pretentiously prance about in their dumb fck misinformed paraphernalia blissfully wishfully thinking they got patents out on intelligence or ‘original thought’…. have you f’ng ever ??
19 Dec 2011, 22:03 pm
@ashampoopaloo-272: Nag skop. I see you’re on the verge of an episode / seizure / breakdown and I don’t want to be the one to push you over the edge. Sluk jou pil en gaan slaap.
19 Dec 2011, 22:05 pm
@Treehugger-270: I know who Dawn is.. I met her more than once.. she’s a good person at heart.. that’s all that counts… this other feeble little excuse of a stupid idiot who thinks he’s clever.. that’s another story.. Dawn can run to his bedside assistance if she reckons he warrants the protection… I reckon the dumb idiot needs a big wake up call for his own pretentious fake arse ignorant good…
19 Dec 2011, 22:18 pm
@Dawn-271: You really are a silly tart aren’t you… Ever heard of Fairytale in New York (Pogues)…
It actually is Christmassy…
Oh well… I can only try with heathens…
19 Dec 2011, 22:20 pm
talking of fckng heathens the arch heathen of heathendom has ignominiously entered the room
19 Dec 2011, 22:21 pm
In that case The Pogues are kuk
19 Dec 2011, 22:22 pm
@ashampoopaloo-247: Yup, carry on… Mock and moan… Blaspheme and blow… Careful of the cry of the crow… Heard of the walls of Jericho?
19 Dec 2011, 22:25 pm
@Dawn-277: Yes, well wake up you dillywench… I have been serenading you six love, and what do I get back? Nadah… Nothing….
I give up.
19 Dec 2011, 22:28 pm
I know Jericho like the back of my hand.. you forget I was born round the corner from there .. to the hark the herald angel singing Catholic nuns of Gethsemane who brought me into the world… there is absolutely naught you can educate or teach or tell me about your JC superstar version of events or eventualities .. I know him way better than you could ever hope to… and then some… believe it or not … just like in chapter and verse of Ripley’s latest pork on the spit Xmas carols…
19 Dec 2011, 22:32 pm
@ashampoopaloo-276: I’ll be your stumbling block… Watch out for the apokalupsis, my little theosophical new age mocking annunaki…
19 Dec 2011, 22:34 pm
Yip its true Dawn.. HG actually loves you in his own screw’d up narcissistic way … same way as he loves Poppa the parish priest .. who he says hail Mary’s twice a week at confession about behind the closed curtain where no one but Lucifer and Father Fagan know wtf goes on behind that superstitious manged up myopic mesmerized mind
19 Dec 2011, 22:36 pm
@ashampoopaloo-280: Wormwood has come and the waters grow bitter… Bitter than any of this pitiful crystal vibrating wind in the willows tosh that you reckon are the keys to the architecture of life or this universe… Nope… no… wrong.
19 Dec 2011, 22:36 pm
Broken hearted I am.
Not.
19 Dec 2011, 22:39 pm
@Heavens Game-281: you be a nothing you dumbarse superstitiously fed tokoloshe believing bible bashing bred boggerol bobba meisie storie said Fred behemoth… what you know about apocalyptic fairy tales and reality is like as much as you know about JC the blond haired blue eyed son of Jacobi … which in truth and actuality is as much as zero.. naught…. nada….. nienta …. and niet…
19 Dec 2011, 22:48 pm
@ashampoopaloo-285: Exposed… I see you know jackshit about Jacobi… Like Nephilim you are crushed by a flood of knowledge, logos and logic… An annunaki insect… A locust that missed the bus and flew to the wrong plague…
Basically confused shitless… and shitscared of the Truth.
19 Dec 2011, 22:58 pm
you just like that other nonentity new age science religion bashing believer who believes he got the patent out on ‘original thought’ when oh when did you mindless misled meandering megalithic moegoes stumble upon this bullshit you call brains?
You think information represents knowledge, you think Wiki holds the key to wisdom and understanding… you think Harvard and Oxford got the keys toward enlightenment… you stupefied ignoramus stupendously bamboozled dunces don’t know absolutely next to emphatically nothing yet…
19 Dec 2011, 23:03 pm
@ashampoopaloo-287: What I do know without a shadow of doubt is that you know absolutely nothing about what you are posting… zero…
Like a laaitie learning his first swear word… and repeating ad nauseum while knowing farkall about its meaning… you to a farken tee.
19 Dec 2011, 23:05 pm
@Dawn-284:
My boat a tug
Into a harbour
Needs…
Padawan.
19 Dec 2011, 23:08 pm
@ashampoopaloo-287: See, it’s not just me that says you’re the biggest phony in town.
Two glasses of box wine with your supper and you think you’re all tralala and deep.
19 Dec 2011, 23:08 pm
@Heavens Game-288: you like to think you know.. what you don’t know.. that much you may like to or pretend to know.. though I doubt sincerely you even know that much… About me you know absolutely fark all.. and that much is absolute fact… you think you can know or fathom me from your vantage point of inaccessible non knowing… but you don’t.. and cannot… that much is absolute fact… believe it or don’t… but me you don’t know from diddly dandy fck’all squat zero…
19 Dec 2011, 23:14 pm
@ashampoopaloo-291: No, you’re projecting… This is what you think you may know about me… However without going into any bamboozling who knows, simply put – you are wrong… You can try and box me, generalise and try to figure it all out… But I will always have the last laugh… and I am laughing now.
19 Dec 2011, 23:15 pm
@>^..^< katman-290: guess how many people hailed JC as the messiah when he lived and was alive.. or how many thought Socrates was non compos mentis insane ?? Yip you one of the crowd… you would have crucified or poisoned them both… even of their disciples when it came to the wire.. their closest and dearest deserted them… that’s how much faith you yellow bellied believers have of the truth… you and this blue eyed blond haired apocalyptic bay-watch babe.. that’s how close you are to knowing who’s who in your fickle inaccurate well to do highly intelligent idiotically indoctrinated bamboozled zoo…
19 Dec 2011, 23:19 pm
@ashampoopaloo-293: You’re no messiah, bud. You’re just loopy de fckn loop. But at least people hail you as such in your lifetime, which is something I guess.
19 Dec 2011, 23:23 pm
Anyway, you’re always going on about this schmuck don’t know this and that palooka don’t know that and no one knows anything except you. So WHAT exactly is it you know? Details, please. Just the 5 main points.
19 Dec 2011, 23:27 pm
@Heavens Game-292: your false impression of super arrogance precedes you… in other words you are so out of bounds in your vanity of well read stupor that you cannot recognize reality from illusion or fact from fiction or truth from superstition.. that is how far gone deluded in self serenading vain inaccuracies of false understanding you are.. unfortunately.
19 Dec 2011, 23:30 pm
@>^..^< katman-294: who said I was anything remotely akin to any messiah.. you?
I asked you how many people hailed JC or Socrates as messiahs or wise philosophers of clear thinking when they lived.. how many was it.. now that you represent the sane well read well bred well educated intelligentsia of the masses?
20 Dec 2011, 00:31 am
another long night on Keo.
20 Dec 2011, 04:47 am
We humans are obsessed with knowing and understanding everything. Sometimes it’s ok to sit back and accept that something is beyond our comprehension or understanding. This is what all this fighting is about – people arguing over what they “know”.
20 Dec 2011, 06:06 am
As bloggers Katman contributes wit, playful banter and insightful comments. Skop contributes overwrought essay length insulting name calling, vague wishy washy unnsubstantiated sermons about the vagueness of everybody elses knowledge and a pitbull like determination to hammer square pegs into round holes.
But then we all knew that already.
20 Dec 2011, 06:43 am
@ashampoopaloo-246: Hey, at least do the Mayans the honesty of citing them correctly re 2012 and not regurgitate the “end of the world” ****.
20 Dec 2011, 07:47 am
well that was a load a fun…
20 Dec 2011, 07:50 am
all the authorities they just stand around and boast
how they blackmailed the sergeant at arms into leaving his post
I never cited the Mayans at prophecizing anything whatsoever, in their far more accurately constructed calendar than our Romanticized one, 2012 represents the end of a cycle, that’s about all I know about the Mayans take on 2012… What I did say was the banking infrastructure and current capitalist money revolving system seems is busy crashing under the weight of speculative money grabbing profiteering while super duper powers that be rattle sabers in death defying dereliction orders of destabilizing dynasties. So whatever else is new in the man made zoo neither Nostradamus nor Edgar Cayce junior got anything else to add to the equivalent equilibrium of how much prophecizing equates to how many roads a man must walk down before he can read the signs.
20 Dec 2011, 08:10 am
I often get asked about politics and backroom dealings in rugby and how it works.
If you want to get the clearest picture yet of the **** that goes on in rugby administration (not only in SA but the world IRB) then read this article.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/rugby-gold/rugby-row-over-lions-tour/story-fn8ouw0e-1226225277919
20 Dec 2011, 08:17 am
@stormersboy-156:
“Our cup runneth over
”
What cup…??
20 Dec 2011, 08:18 am
‘knowledge’ is not about how much useless information you can cram into your crestatiously cocooned cockamammie conditioned cranial complexity, neither is it about premises of pretense about patently pretending to own any patents out on ‘original thought’
‘knowledge’ is a complete other kettle of fish to all of that
20 Dec 2011, 08:22 am
@ashampoopaloo-303:
ok, so regarding the mayan thing, you’re saying the world wont end in 2012, right?
thats good as i did not expect it too but i do expect it to possibly end at some point eventually, which is not an unusual thing. agreed, more or less on the capitalism thing… this make-believe cant go on for ever, there will be a correction.
also, its in our nature to fight one another for control and dominance and you should consider that it may even perhaps be dettrimental to human society as a whole if we did not.
in regards to the end of the world thing, there as been may instances of catastrophic events affecting humans for as long as there has been humans so i feel strongly that for humans to trully outsmart this whole ridiculously dangerous cycle we need to in fact build the capacity, using scienc and technology, to just ffucking destroy nature as we know to its very deepest infinitely singularity defined core.
think it about it, this is not a far out and outrageous idea.
we as humans are building a massive database of knowledge about the universe and how it works as well as both the technological weaponry to destroy things on very big scales and the technological capacity to grow and create things on equally increasingly large scales.
so basically what we do is once we have built up a capacity to recreate the universe as we wish, we build a gigantic protective structure to house the human race and then use our mega-large universal destroying weapons to just blow this whole ffucking universe thing up… just ffucking zap it to smithereens…bam! bam! bam!
then when the dust settles we exit our protective structure and use our scietific mastery to recreate aspects of the past universe in ways that will pose no danger to us for ever. we will trully have become masters over nature and will need to fear it no more.
in this sort of scenario its not far off to even speculate that humans could then become immortal gods with the right medical science and techno augmentations and we could exist in security happily relying on ourselves alone and would not need any ‘god’ concept to protect us.
this should be our purpose as a race in my opinion.
20 Dec 2011, 08:28 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-307:
You mean I can stop construction on my ark?
20 Dec 2011, 08:31 am
@PissAnt-304: crazy back-stabbing and back-slapping going on there. i wonder what hoskins promised lapasset to guarantee the chairman’s vote!
20 Dec 2011, 08:35 am
@PissAnt-304:
hehehe loving it…
its always lekker when the ja-broers gooi a strop and strip their moer with each other
20 Dec 2011, 08:37 am
@PissAnt-304: Sounds like the board of most large organisations. Backstabbing, empty promises, hidden agendas and political manoeuvring. I’m chuffed with the result though
20 Dec 2011, 08:38 am
@PissAnt-308:
no, no by all means dont
this mega-ark structure idea will take a long time and no doubt still be under construction by the time of our deaths, but i do think it can happen.
20 Dec 2011, 08:40 am
@PissAnt-308: Jeez i need t get my ar&e into gear, I havent started on mine yet.
20 Dec 2011, 08:45 am
@Transformation-309: @au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-310: @Yetirat-311:
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why the game of rugby will never become a global professional sport in the true sense!
@Treehugger-313:
You get DIY kits in builders warehouse.
20 Dec 2011, 08:48 am
Ahh.
Its christmas and fuckadilly is getting tense.
Last yeat he burnt the nut roast and his fair trade hemp stockings bio-degraded before Santa had a chance to fill them with David Icke dvds.
No pressure then.
20 Dec 2011, 08:52 am
@PissAnt-314: FIFA have the same problems though and football has made it successfully on the international stage.
20 Dec 2011, 08:56 am
@PissAnt-308: LOL! A flood is hardly a world-ending disaster. If something should happen next year, it will be much more horrific from below. In other words, unless your ark can float on lava… you’re wasting your time.
Scientific facts: Starting small – we’re decades overdue for a serious pandemic. On the other side, our world is LONG overdue for a super-vulcano eruption… which would kill half the world instantly and the other half will starve to death due to no sunlight. That’s okay. We’ll survive on rugby.
Hmmm… then there is the other possibility where they’ve discovered that our world’s magnetic field is weakening… slowly, but surely. It means the rotation of the core flow is changing, which could leave us without that magnetic field for a few weeks. Considering the fact that the magnetic field is responsible for deflecting most of the radiation (our atmosphere only filters the remaining bit), we could burn in front of our TVs during Super15!! Nice!
Nope. An ark would be no more than a hobby this time around.
20 Dec 2011, 09:02 am
@PissAnt-314: if you think the IOC, FIFA, IAAF, ICC & many other sporting organisations don’t go through the same thing then u need to dig deeper. this is not even remotely unique to rugby!
there’s no escaping this sort of skullduggery, it’s pervasisive and rugby in as much as some here think is a sanctified sport, well sorry boys, it isn’t.
20 Dec 2011, 09:02 am
It’s okay. We still have the the ‘Drukinsburgs of Kwa-Zulu Netaul’ … ya know: the new roof of the world!!
20 Dec 2011, 09:02 am
A whole evening filled with paranoid New Age spiritualism and conspiracy theories.
Fun.
20 Dec 2011, 09:05 am
@Transformation-318: LOL! Agreed! If rugby fails to become the most popular sport in the world, it would be because there are too many strict structures to keep the sport organized. It should be more like FIFA: complete chaos!!
20 Dec 2011, 09:05 am
@PissAnt-314: lolololol thanks Doll, you get so much useful information of a rugby site
20 Dec 2011, 09:06 am
Just wait until the Babylonian Brotherhood finds out.
Someone will be nerve-stapled and micro-chipped.
20 Dec 2011, 09:07 am
pervasive…
20 Dec 2011, 09:08 am
Our world needs a pandemic, or a large war.
Humans are parasites.
20 Dec 2011, 09:08 am
@Bouts-317:
That’s it, I am moving to Durban!
@Yetirat-316: @Transformation-318:
There are power struggles in every organisation, as-well as the organisations you mentioned. Difference between rugby and the other sports, is rugby has only recently gone pro, and it is controlled by what? 8 member countries? What fascinates me is that the home unions are VERY nervous now that Japan and the USA are on the decision making body – these two nations may well, in time, become the powerhouses of the game financially.
20 Dec 2011, 09:09 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-307:
Do you still have bottled water and Koo baked bean tins left from 2000?
20 Dec 2011, 09:12 am
@PissAnt-326: Come on PissAnt. All those bodies are controlled by the English. Doesn’t matter how much you disagree.
Rugby, Cricket, Soccer etc etc. All sports created and controlled by the English. All sports the English suck at.
20 Dec 2011, 09:14 am
@Bouts-328:
No, no – all sports created and controlled by the Global Elite!
20 Dec 2011, 09:16 am
@WP Till I Die-325: That remark is not going to go down well with the general public here
But is do agree,
Anyway have decided stuff the ark, hot air balloon with tins of backed beans is the way to go now that a papermache ark will catch fire in the lava flow.
20 Dec 2011, 09:18 am
@PissAnt-326: They see their own strength and power on the board becoming diluted. That’s why they’re getting so jumpy. They’ve had it away for all these years and now things are finally becoming a bit more balanced.
20 Dec 2011, 09:19 am
@WP Till I Die-327:
The cans in 2000 was his leftovers from 1994.
It’s gone stale by now.
20 Dec 2011, 09:19 am
@Bouts-328:
The empire is falling at a rapid rate.
Cricket is controlled by India now, soccer by Europe, and now rugby is also moving away!
20 Dec 2011, 09:21 am
@Mr Black-332:
I shudder to think how many rounds of ammunition and tins of food are still hidden in underground caches where the guys who placed them there simply forgot where they are!
20 Dec 2011, 09:22 am
@Treehugger-330:
It’s true, though.
There are simply too many human beings on this planet.
20 Dec 2011, 09:22 am
@Transformation-318:
Rugby is a elitist sport. Transform your thinking and get with the times.
20 Dec 2011, 09:27 am
@Bouts-321: “strict structures”? haha there’s that deluded sanctimony i’m talking about.
the “chaos” you call fifa started staging world cups & running big budgets eons before the likes of the All Blacks were threatening “boycott” the next world cup in england because they’re broke.
so much for a sport that wants to be the best in the world when its biggest brand & most successful team is cash-strapped lol
20 Dec 2011, 09:29 am
@WP Till I Die-327:
lets just say i’ve smartened up on how to go about preparing for armageddon
20 Dec 2011, 09:33 am
I read (Twitter) that De Wet Barry’s little one passed away. Only 2 years old.
Sad…..
20 Dec 2011, 09:33 am
@PissAnt-304:
hey PA…
my concern about this election is… what has hoskins promised and/or given away to the australians for their support to have him elected to the v-chair…?
aus always does what’s best for aus… and sa always end up sucking the hindmost…
so i fear this will come back and bite us as the concessions/promises made to australia are revealed…
we know for damn sure that australia… (who appear to be the puppet masters at this time…) did not vote for (or ask the frog to vote for) hoskins or sa because they like us…
we all know oniel detests south africa… so IMO… this is not the good news it should be… expect hoskins to back and support every aussie proposal… and wait for some genuinely good news to emerge to australia’s benefit…
20 Dec 2011, 09:33 am
@Bouts-328: if you think the English control football then u’re delusional
they don’t even control UEFA let alone FIFA hahaha
what do you base ur assertion on?
@Mr Black-336: conformity breeds mediocrity!
20 Dec 2011, 09:38 am
@Upho-340: that’s the same thing i asked in #309 who is the pied piper that is playing the tune for Regan?
20 Dec 2011, 09:41 am
just had a look on wikipedia…
there is not a single pom on the FIFA Executive…!!
so the the comment that they have any say in FIFI let alone control things… is off the mark…
only guy from the british isles is from northern ireland…
20 Dec 2011, 09:41 am
@HHS-339:
Thats sad!
20 Dec 2011, 09:43 am
@HHS-339:
shame, my condolences.
always sad when a child dies.
20 Dec 2011, 09:45 am
@Transformation-342:
you suggested the piper was lapasset…
i’m suggesting the aussies are paying the piper…
but yeah… we’re both concerned about what cards hoskins has thrown away in the pretense of being dealt a winning hand…
20 Dec 2011, 09:46 am
No parent should bury their children.
20 Dec 2011, 09:51 am
very sad… especially at this time of year…
condolences to de wet, his wife and family…
20 Dec 2011, 09:59 am
@Upho-343: some here are bombarded with the Barclays Premier League to the point that they think the world revolves aroung English football
the Poms just lost a world cup bid to Qatar & were livid accusing FIFA of all sorts nefarious things. they don’t control sshit.
20 Dec 2011, 10:01 am
condolences to de wet.
20 Dec 2011, 10:03 am
@Transformation-349:
Who cares anyway?
Football is the dumbest game ever invented.
0 – 0
Ha ha ha
20 Dec 2011, 10:05 am
@Transformation-349:
you’re right on both points…!!
20 Dec 2011, 10:11 am
@HHS-339: No man, that’s so sad. How do you carry on?
20 Dec 2011, 10:12 am
they are snakes those cousins, no two ways about it.
would not put anything past them.
i have said it before… sa rugby needs hardmen of yore…
a revamped louis luyt type to lead us, and teach those naughty antipodes some good lessons, who is hard for the right reasons but not verkrampt and fixated on the old racial issues.
20 Dec 2011, 10:18 am
Just smacks of sour grapes by the NH administrators. Serves them right.
Cry me a river as HG would say….
20 Dec 2011, 10:26 am
@>^..^< katman-353: Don’t know bud, but it’s going to be one long process. Personally I don’t want to experience something like that in my life time, it will break me.
20 Dec 2011, 11:22 am
The Toyota Cheetahs will have the honour of opening the newly built stadium for top New Zealand franchise, the Canterbury Crusaders.
The Seven-time Super Rugby champions will move to their replacement stadium – Rugby League Park – after a season in the travelling wilderness following the devastating earthquake in Christchurch earlier this year that deprived them of their regular ground – the old Lancaster Park (these days Jade Stadium).
But with the news that a new ground will be built for the 2012 Vodacom Super Rugby season, the Crusaders announced today that they will officially open the stadium against the Cheetahs in their second home game on March 24.
Hamish Riach, CEO of the Crusaders, said that contractors were working incredibly hard and were making good progress on converting the grounds to a first class sports and outdoor entertainment centre.
“This has been an ambitious programme from the start and we are delighted that we are getting closer to having home games in Christchurch.”
Riach said that the Crusaders were thankful of the great support they had received from Central Government and the City Council in helping turn Rugby League Park into a first class rugby ground, complete with state-of-the-art structures, new floodlights and new turf.
No venue has been decided for the Crusaders opening home game on 9 March against the Chiefs, with a decision to be made early next year.
The Crusaders spent the entire 2011 Super Rugby season playing away from home, and did exceptionally well, making the final where they lost against the Reds.
20 Dec 2011, 11:38 am
Some news:
Cardiff – Welsh forward Luke Charteris will leave the Dragons at the end of the season, and has said that he will no longer ply his trade at clubs within Wales’ borders.
According to the allblacks.com website, the lock is seen by many to be Wales best lineout forward, and his loss to Rodney Parade will be a big blow, especially considering that coach Warren Gatland has said in the past that those outside of the principality will unlikely be considered for selection.
To combat this, Charteris agent Christian Abt told the Wales Online that he is trying to insert a clause that will allow his client’s release for international rugby.
Apt admitted that inserting a Wales Test call up clause into a contract outside of the country was difficult, but said he had interest from a French, Japanese and Super Rugby club.
“We are also speaking to a couple of other franchises. We have had interest from one Super Rugby franchise and also from a Japanese organisation
20 Dec 2011, 11:45 am
I wonder which Super Rugby club is expressing interest?
20 Dec 2011, 11:50 am
@Sasuke-357:
go cheetahs!
go heinrich!
20 Dec 2011, 11:52 am
@stormersboy-359:
my money’s on an ozzie outfit.
20 Dec 2011, 11:52 am
@stormersboy-359:
The Sharks are certainly weak in the lock dept.
20 Dec 2011, 11:53 am
@stormersboy-359: Imagine it’s the Stormers. With Charteris standing alongside Bekker you’d be forgiven for thinking the Twin Towers have been resurrected. Fckn long piece of timber, that Taff. And bloody good. Made an excellent partnership with Alun Wyn Jones.
20 Dec 2011, 11:53 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-361:
Yeah probably.
20 Dec 2011, 11:53 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-361: Probably, considering that they have to compete financially.
20 Dec 2011, 11:54 am
@John Galt-362: I thought of them.
@>^..^< katman-363: would be an awesome sight for sure!
20 Dec 2011, 11:54 am
@stormersboy-359: it better be the sharks, they’re thin at lock having ended the currie cup playing one-trick pony jean deysel at 2nd row.
20 Dec 2011, 11:57 am
@Transformation-367: They should throw some money at Mark Andrews. He would fit their age profile.
20 Dec 2011, 11:58 am
@stormersboy-359:
fact that the news is leaked via a kiwi website would suggest they got inside info from a kiwi franchise…
20 Dec 2011, 12:02 pm
@>^..^< katman-363: They were both great at the World Cup. Will be interesting to see how he performs in Superugby.
20 Dec 2011, 12:04 pm
@Upho-369: I think because Gatland is a kiwi thats why it appeared on a Kiwi website. Maybe.
20 Dec 2011, 12:05 pm
@>^..^< katman-368: lol
20 Dec 2011, 12:10 pm
@Sasuke-371:
quite possible too…
but you’re more likely to be chatting to new employers to secure your new position before chatting to your current employer and telling your boss you’re looking to quit…
20 Dec 2011, 12:16 pm
Crusaders travelled to the moon and back this year and were only narrowly beaten at the last hurdle, they will win the S15 next year.
20 Dec 2011, 12:17 pm
@Transformation-367:
I’d almost rather have him at 4, ask him to be a Brad Thorne type workhorse which allows Alberts up to play the 7 role as only he can, with Daniel and Kanko freed up to cause havoc.
20 Dec 2011, 12:17 pm
@NZINCHINA-374: Maybe
20 Dec 2011, 12:21 pm
@Heavens Game-155: 2012 is going to be a interesting year in the SANZAR board room, the kiwis are already bleating about, wait for it, “the duplicity of their SANZAR partners”! hahaha the kiwis crying about duplicity after their horse Beaumont bombed, schweeeeet
http://www.skysport.co.nz/article/rugby-union/columns/something-stinks-in-the-boardroom-53891/
20 Dec 2011, 12:22 pm
@>^..^< katman-368:
Probably lower the avg age actually.
20 Dec 2011, 12:23 pm
@Sasuke-376:
A bigger maybe than any other team though, what they did this year was incredible, beating the Stormers with 10 front line players injured and away from home was very impressive ( and not one complaint about travelling maybe there’s a lesson to be learn’t there for some other teams)
20 Dec 2011, 12:24 pm
@Transformation-377:
nah Tranny we won’t complain we’ll just win like we usually do
20 Dec 2011, 12:27 pm
@Transformation-377:
Let the games begin.
TJ seems to have Hoskins’ number though. No arguments there.
20 Dec 2011, 12:27 pm
@Transformation-377: I had no idea that TJ could be such a sourpuss
20 Dec 2011, 12:31 pm
so the super14 wooden spoon awaits the lions…yet again.
20 Dec 2011, 12:32 pm
@mvk-383:
How about a Bokke/Lions double what odds?
20 Dec 2011, 12:37 pm
@NZINCHINA-374:
lets just say they should be the bookies favourite as usual but this is not a guarantee of success. 1 title in 5 years could easily become 1 title in 6 years.
thorn, reechee and carter are still central to the teams success, no?
20 Dec 2011, 12:39 pm
@NZINCHINA-384: i am not a betting man but i guess good money could be made here.
20 Dec 2011, 12:40 pm
@John Galt-381:
hoskins has a number?..
20 Dec 2011, 12:41 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-385:
Thorn gone, Richie and DC vital but as the WC showed no DC and a busted McCaw was still good enough.
20 Dec 2011, 12:42 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-387: 28 takes up the nought from o’neill altyd
20 Dec 2011, 12:43 pm
@mvk-383: Capo you idiot, there are 15 teams playing super rugby, not 14 … Get it?
20 Dec 2011, 12:46 pm
@Transformation-377:
hehehe these kiwis are so silly most times
love his description of hoskins in the article… tony johnson..?..ffuckin chop…
20 Dec 2011, 12:46 pm
just read that the maties will provide substitutes for sarries second team next month.in light of this, is it possible according to sanzar rules for the lions to count on their fellow s14 teams to do the same for them seeing that they are on a mission to get rid of their players?
20 Dec 2011, 12:46 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-382: you should start listening carefully at the end of EVERY Reunion show, he ALWAYS has a wee rant about something!
20 Dec 2011, 12:47 pm
@mvk-386:
Nearly impossible to get the wooden now that the Argies are involved.
20 Dec 2011, 12:48 pm
@Transformation-389:
true.. true…
20 Dec 2011, 12:49 pm
Which is great news for the Bokke as they had collected more than their fair share over the years.
20 Dec 2011, 12:49 pm
totally forgot…14 super teams plus one mickey mouse team equals 15.
20 Dec 2011, 12:52 pm
@NZINCHINA-394: don’t count on that.the argies will be up for it.the boks experiment during wc’s …remember.
20 Dec 2011, 12:55 pm
@NZINCHINA-388:
well good luck to them all the same.
i personally will not place any bets on them winning the comp but will certainly bet on them winning a lot of their games.
20 Dec 2011, 12:55 pm
@mvk-398:
The Argies ran us very hard for 60 mins at the garden of Eden so they will be very competitive at home.
20 Dec 2011, 12:58 pm
@Transformation-377: howdy transie i tried that link but got a SKY TV-FORBIDDEN message.
please copy and paste for me, i do love a good kiwi whine from time to time.
did they mention brycie being scared to travel to sa or how about paddy getting told to behave himself for a change (the tunc that he is).
20 Dec 2011, 12:58 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-399:
Yip they should do although i’m a Blues fan and its been a long time between drinks so I’m hoping we can go one further than this year and make the final, it would be fantastic if the glory days of 96′ & 97 returned.
20 Dec 2011, 12:59 pm
@rangerman-401:
Paddy runs the IRB.
20 Dec 2011, 12:59 pm
@NZINCHINA-402: haha, no wonder you hate the sharks, we have got your number bluesfan
20 Dec 2011, 13:00 pm
@NZINCHINA-400: the argies will have all their top players available and i expect them to beat the boks and aus in argentina.
20 Dec 2011, 13:01 pm
@NZINCHINA-403: haha, after the elections paddy runs for cover son.
he wont be issuing any more apologies to the all blacks, mark my words.
20 Dec 2011, 13:02 pm
@rangerman-404: howdy you racist prick.
20 Dec 2011, 13:04 pm
@Transformation-393:
i would like that show a lot more if they could just be a litlle more objective and less sickly schmaltzy. it wouldn’t surprise me if tj just pulled down his pants and did some kind of double bend over own-arrse kiss manoeuvre of sorts in one of the episodes.
20 Dec 2011, 13:06 pm
@rangerman-404:
Ha the Sharks have had the wood on us recently but we are on the up bought well in the off season so I would expect a top 4 finish again this year they are going to have a superb backline and an adequate pack, is your flag at half mast for the passing of another great leader in NK?
20 Dec 2011, 13:07 pm
@rangerman-406:
The world champs don’t need any apologies my friend we are on top.
20 Dec 2011, 13:08 pm
hehehe…
tony johnson…
whinging and wining already… typical one-eyed view of the back of his eye-patch…
it’s fine when aus and nz tag-team sa to get what they want… but it’s not okay when the kiwis get shafted by their cuzzies across the ditch…?
he says hoskins seems to “care for his own position, South Africa, and then SANZAR in that order…” when you can substitute the name of tew and oniel and their countries in the sentence and it will still be absolutely true…
tj and his crew can be all smug when discussing sa’s conspiracy-theroists… but he’s pretty damn quick to jump on the bandwagon when things don’t go his (nz’s) way…
very funny…
for now…
but i still think this will come back and bite sa on the proverbial…
20 Dec 2011, 13:10 pm
@rangerman-401: howdy ranger, i’m on mobile in jozi @ the moment.
au revoir, can u do the honours & copy & paste for ranger that TJ wee rant.
20 Dec 2011, 13:12 pm
@rangerman-401: “There is something quite smelly about the re-election of Bernard Lapasset as chairman of the International Rugby Board, and it’s not the Frenchman’s garlic breath.
Lapasset has managed to hang onto his role in the face of a strong challenge from former Lions skipper Bill Beaumont.
Media coverage here in New Zealand has predictably focussed on the fact that the NZRU/Steve Tew did not “get their man”, having openly backed Beaumont in the expectation that he would drive a better deal for this country in terms of revenue sharing, a greater split of the World Cup riches, and compensation for the loss of revenue suffered due to the lack of inbound tours during World Cup years.
What everyone seems to have missed is the fact that Lapasset got the job almost entirely thanks to the duplicity of New Zealands SANZAR partners.
When Tew hit the headlines with his comments over the above matters during the World Cup, his ARU counterpart John O’Neil was very quick to chime in, in a way that was a bit reminiscent of John Lennon after Paul McCartney got in first and announced he was quitting the Beatles – not miffed because they were breaking up, but because HE wanted to say it.
O’Neil gave every indication that Australia would stand alongside New Zealand in pushing for change when the IRB met to decide its new leader, while South Africa signalled, albeit late in the piece and rather more quietly, that it was in agreement with its Southern Hemisphere partners.
But the word from the meeting, backed by a simple count of the votes, suggests both have done a complete about face, and were in fact crucial to Lapasset getting re-elected.
It is not hard to put two and two together and work out what was in it for South Africa’s Oregan Hoskins. By voting for the Frenchman, when his country might have benefited more from having Beaumont in the chair, Hoskins has made a personal gain. His reward for this is the new IRB vice chairmanship ahead of Beaumont, courtesy of Lapasset’s casting vote after a 13-13 deadlock.
Hoskins conduct is hardly surprising. He is a populist and an opportunist of the highest order, who appears to care for his own position, South Africa, and then SANZAR in that order.
But it is the conduct of John O’Neill that will have NZRU officials fuming behind the scenes.
Paul Rees of the Guardian, the man who appears to have clearly the best grasp on rugby politics of any journalist, reports that Australia’s CEO also voted for Lapasset. If this is true, then for all his posturing during the RWC over the matter, O’Neil has clearly been persuaded to change his mind, and whether it is Australia, he alone, or both who will benefit most from this only time will tell.
I doubt we have heard the last of this disingenuous conduct. It makes a mockery of the pronouncements of unity expressed when the NZRU made its stand and there will undoubtedly be some very terse moments at the next gathering of Trans Tasman rugby bosses.
In the meantime, Bernard Lapasset knows he has survived by the skin of a frogs leg, and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that New Zealand, backed by the Home Unions, will end up securing the better deal they are seeking anyway – no thanks to our so called allies south of the equator.”
20 Dec 2011, 13:13 pm
@Upho-411: lol tears were running down my eyes by the time i finished reading the article
as HG would say….”schweeeeeeeeeeeet”
20 Dec 2011, 13:14 pm
@NZINCHINA-402:
ok, well good luck to your blues then.
10 from 16 was not too bad but other than their first humdinger game against the crusaders nothing about the blues said ‘killer instinct’ in the knockout phases last season imo.
i expect more of the same next season.
20 Dec 2011, 13:16 pm
@HHS-413: ta HHS
20 Dec 2011, 13:16 pm
@Transformation-414:
yeah… is really good for a laugh this one….
20 Dec 2011, 13:18 pm
149.stormersboy: Reply to this comment
19 Dec 2011, 15:25 pm
I’ve done a quick analysis on the last years of Super Rugby. Using a simple points system I’ve awarded 3 points to the winners of the comp, 2 points to the runners up and 1 point to the losing semi finalists.
Based on that formula the success of the “top tier SA teams” looks like this:
Last year:
Stormers 1 point (losing semi)
Rest of SA: 0
Last 2 years:
Bulls 3 points
Stormers 3 points
Rest of SA: 0
Last 3 years:
Bulls 6 points
Stormers 3 points
Rest of SA: 0
Last 5 years:
Bulls 6 points
Stormers 3 points
Sharks 3 points
Last 10 years:
Bulls 8 points
Stormers 4 points
Sharks 3 points
HG has a point
I think that the “top tier” is too large. It’s really only 2 teams. The Bulls and the Stormers.
hmmmm………..
so lets get down to brass tacks here shall we?
if 2 points are awarded to the runners up then it looks a bit more like this surely:
sharks 8
stormers 2
Now what do we do with semis?
if we award 1 point for reaching semis and include the semis that saw the sharks progress to the finals, the deficit would become so unreasonable that it would simply take all of the fun out of this bit of banter.
lets do the exercise for fun shall we?
points for semis INCLUDING times when teams progressed:
sharks 5 (min, it is actually more but i couldnt be bothered dredging through the results)
stormers 3
total:
sharks 13 pts
stormers 5
this is for s10, 12, 14 and 15 and i did not include the sharks 6th place playoff finish in 2011 to try and give the stormers a leg up.
In fact, the only semis i included for the sharks were the semis after 2006 AND the ones where we progressed to the finals.
I am pretty sure the sharks were losing semi finalists a few times before 2006?
maybe not, either way, the record is quite clear. The sharks are 3 times as successful as the stormers.
20 Dec 2011, 13:18 pm
@rangerman-406:
@Transformation-412:
no probs.
Something stinks in the boardroom:
I doubt we have heard the last of this disingenuous conduct. It makes a mockery of the pronouncements of unity expressed when the NZRU made its stand and there will undoubtedly be some very terse moments at the next gathering of Trans Tasman rugby bosses.
Article By: Tony, Johnson
There is something quite smelly about the re-election of Bernard Lapasset as chairman of the International Rugby Board, and it’s not the Frenchman’s garlic breath.
Lapasset has managed to hang onto his role in the face of a strong challenge from former Lions skipper Bill Beaumont.
Media coverage here in New Zealand has predictably focussed on the fact that the NZRU/Steve Tew did not “get their man”, having openly backed Beaumont in the expectation that he would drive a better deal for this country in terms of revenue sharing, a greater split of the World Cup riches, and compensation for the loss of revenue suffered due to the lack of inbound tours during World Cup years.
What everyone seems to have missed is the fact that Lapasset got the job almost entirely thanks to the duplicity of New Zealands SANZAR partners.
When Tew hit the headlines with his comments over the above matters during the World Cup, his ARU counterpart John O’Neil was very quick to chime in, in a way that was a bit reminiscent of John Lennon after Paul McCartney got in first and announced he was quitting the Beatles – not miffed because they were breaking up, but because HE wanted to say it.
O’Neil gave every indication that Australia would stand alongside New Zealand in pushing for change when the IRB met to decide its new leader, while South Africa signalled, albeit late in the piece and rather more quietly, that it was in agreement with its Southern Hemisphere partners.
But the word from the meeting, backed by a simple count of the votes, suggests both have done a complete about face, and were in fact crucial to Lapasset getting re-elected.
It is not hard to put two and two together and work out what was in it for South Africa’s Oregan Hoskins. By voting for the Frenchman, when his country might have benefited more from having Beaumont in the chair, Hoskins has made a personal gain. His reward for this is the new IRB vice chairmanship ahead of Beaumont, courtesy of Lapasset’s casting vote after a 13-13 deadlock.
Hoskins conduct is hardly surprising. He is a populist and an opportunist of the highest order, who appears to care for his own position, South Africa, and then SANZAR in that order.
But it is the conduct of John O’Neill that will have NZRU officials fuming behind the scenes.
Paul Rees of the Guardian, the man who appears to have clearly the best grasp on rugby politics of any journalist, reports that Australia’s CEO also voted for Lapasset. If this is true, then for all his posturing during the RWC over the matter, O’Neil has clearly been persuaded to change his mind, and whether it is Australia, he alone, or both who will benefit most from this only time will tell.
I doubt we have heard the last of this disingenuous conduct. It makes a mockery of the pronouncements of unity expressed when the NZRU made its stand and there will undoubtedly be some very terse moments at the next gathering of Trans Tasman rugby bosses.
In the meantime, Bernard Lapasset knows he has survived by the skin of a frogs leg, and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that New Zealand, backed by the Home Unions, will end up securing the better deal they are seeking anyway – no thanks to our so called allies south of the equator.
20 Dec 2011, 13:19 pm
@mvk-407: howzit you inbred loser.
20 Dec 2011, 13:19 pm
@HHS-413:
oops…
20 Dec 2011, 13:23 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-421: thanx guy.
20 Dec 2011, 13:24 pm
@rangerman-418:
uh oh!
this is taking on the shape of one of those freakonomics case studies
20 Dec 2011, 13:26 pm
@Transformation-422:
any time, guy (no peter davies)
20 Dec 2011, 13:28 pm
@NZINCHINA-409: i dont wish harm to anyone.
20 Dec 2011, 13:28 pm
@rangerman-420: took you more than half hour to come up with that you white low life vermin scumbag?
20 Dec 2011, 13:30 pm
nothing overly dramatic about that article…pretty well balanced i would say.
20 Dec 2011, 13:34 pm
@Transformation-412: cheers bud.
ok, i am out guys, fish to find and spear.
have a goody.
@HHS-413: @au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-419: shot guys,cheers!
p.s. LMAO!!!!!!! bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa tony, get fukked.
20 Dec 2011, 13:37 pm
@NZINCHINA-403: Frog runs it.
20 Dec 2011, 13:37 pm
@rangerman-428: vai a farti foterre.
20 Dec 2011, 13:38 pm
@mvk-427:
hehehe you are just looking for a fight are’nt you
@rangerman-428:
cheers…
20 Dec 2011, 13:44 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-431: all i am saying is , that it’s no need for transie,the super black,to develop tears in his eyes reading it.
20 Dec 2011, 13:48 pm
@mvk-432:
no, no.. tears in the eyes would’nt be out of order.
read it again, it is an outrageously one-eyed, head far up your own arrse little temper tantrum, toys out the cot, piece of journalism… really…
20 Dec 2011, 13:49 pm
would’nt = wouldn’t
20 Dec 2011, 14:18 pm
so according to tj, nzru can expect the cooperation of sanzar partners to further the nzru cause…
but when they fail to provide this support, they are thinking of themselves first..
how friggen precious can you get?
20 Dec 2011, 14:21 pm
Tony Johnson always seems like a delightful guy on reunion.
20 Dec 2011, 14:23 pm
“In the meantime, Bernard Lapasset knows he has survived by the skin of a frogs leg, and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that New Zealand, backed by the Home Unions, will end up securing the better deal they are seeking anyway – no thanks to our so called allies south of the equator.”
Isnt Sanzar a partnership? Why are they trying to secure a better deal for themselves?
20 Dec 2011, 14:31 pm
@rangerman-418: No mate. 3 points for a win, 2 points for a runner up and 1 point for a losing semi finalist.
You don’t get points for getting into the semi, and the final, and winning it lol.
That would be double (triple) counting.
fact is, over the past 3 or 4 years the Sharks have lagged the Stormers and the Bulls in Super 14 success.
You had your final, just like us, but that’s about it.
But hopefully this next year will be your year
20 Dec 2011, 14:41 pm
@stormersboy-438:
ok, but look if its 3 points for a win and the bulls have won it 3 times then thats 9 points already?
20 Dec 2011, 15:25 pm
@stormersboy-438:
i have just tallied the points for sa teams since the 1996 s12 comp (excluding the s10 which would give the sharks and lions extra points) using your points system and my number come up as:
bulls – 12
sharks – 8
stormers – 5
so it seems ranger was partly right and you are partly wrong.
20 Dec 2011, 15:26 pm
I’m suprised our buddy in china isn’t en route to pay his last respects to his beloved leader.
Dictators and Mercs hey, they just don’t build them like they used to.
20 Dec 2011, 15:43 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-441:
i think nando’s would care to differ on that.
they’ve felt the ‘wrath’ of bob…
20 Dec 2011, 15:51 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-441:
too cold in NK at this time of the year
20 Dec 2011, 15:52 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-441: I saw on CNN yesterday that 80% of factory workers there dont get paid
so what do they live on and how do they pay their bills, cant believe any one would go on holiday there to have a look at these peoples misery.
20 Dec 2011, 15:53 pm
@Sasuke-437:
Was’t he referring to all rugby, WC’s etc not just the SANZAR alliance rugby?
20 Dec 2011, 15:55 pm
@Treehugger-444:
The Ab’s went to SA during the apartheid years or is that different?
20 Dec 2011, 16:21 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-419:
The only grain of truth is that the NZRU needs plenty cash to make up for its deficits, the Poms promised them the extra dough but the ploy failed, simple?
The rest of the article is studs with nonsense, for instance:
“Hoskins conduct is hardly surprising. He is a populist and an opportunist of the highest order, who appears to care for his own position, South Africa, and then SANZAR in that order.”
Let’s spell it out for the astute Mr. Johnson: Hoskins isn’t a populist, he is merely an anc puppet who carries out whatever he is told, like all puppets he has no opinion or decision capacity himself.
Got to measure and assess anything Mr. Johnson said accordingly
20 Dec 2011, 16:36 pm
@NZINCHINA-446: I dont know, is it ? what has that got to do with going to NK on holiday, or does it make you fell good lording it over these poor people, no tipping, have them scurring around in fear. I mean really who in there right mind would want to support that hellhole of misery by bringing in the foreign currency so the leading tossers can send their brats to school in Switzerland and live the good life while the rest of the nation starve.
20 Dec 2011, 16:52 pm
@Transformation-377: I say farkem. I actually see this a different way:
- Hoskens may actually have grown some ballas
- SARU may have made a first move to build bridges with France and Fark SANZAR
- Aussies for once may actually be following Pied Piper SARU
- Kiwis, thinking they are Pied Piper reckoned SANZAR would just fall in behind them. They were patently wrong.
Good thinking by Oregan. Stick with the French in their conquest of Rugby structures. Fark this Northern Hemisphere/Southern Hemisphere bullshit – we may be seeing the beginnings of a new Rugby Centre of power – right in the centre, right in the middle…
I always thought this made perfect sense. France and SA can really work to one another’s benefit in Rugby. Central Africa Time and Central European Time merge as one.
France have always been stabbed in the back by the home nations while SA have had the same from the kissing cousins.
Now its fark SANZAR. If the Aussies want to tag along for the ride then thats okay but its Franco-Saffa time to call the shots.
Argies also thick as thieves with France and SA.
Good thing Oregan. Respect!
20 Dec 2011, 16:53 pm
@Hondo-447:
well i still think its a tad bit drama queenish. sounds a bit like grant actually but without any mention of john smit in the article.
20 Dec 2011, 16:55 pm
@Heavens Game-449:
oh how i wish that were true….
20 Dec 2011, 16:55 pm
Looking at this from the Franco-SA Rugby alliance POV, I actually wouldn’t be surprised if Paddy gets his Don’t Come Monday medal very soon…
20 Dec 2011, 16:56 pm
@Treehugger-444:
Huggsy some people just thrive on other people’s misery.
We may just have to terms with our buddy in china being one of those okes.
In his defence they do a magnificent Labrador Rossini in NK. If you are a lover of canines that’s pretty hard to turn down.
I believe Capo is banned from North Korea.
Nobody fcuks with Papa Kims dinner.
20 Dec 2011, 16:59 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-451: It is true, I tell you.
Hoskins may actually have finally grown some ballas and shown his hand.
We may have seen a Tricolore / Green and Gold rugby revolution.
Don’t be surprised to see a good few games between Boks and France in the next few years.
Maybe a few warm ups for Super Rugby with Toulouse, Perpignan, Biarritz wouldn’t go amiss either.
Schweet.
20 Dec 2011, 17:04 pm
@stormersboy-438: Ahem… Sharks actually won something just last year…
Yes, Stormers have won their pre-season trophy AND that HOLY GRAIL – the SA Conference Champs….
But the Sharks have actually won something that counts to the rest of SA outside the Gaylord Freedom Fighting bubble under the Mountain… Just ask the Lions how much that real trophy called the Currie Cup means…
20 Dec 2011, 17:06 pm
@rangerman-418: Beyootiful… It brings tears to mine own eyes after Stormersaderboy’s exercise in Tendersure “objective” number crunching yesterday…
Tears of Joy…
And laughter…
Hehehehe… Schweet!
20 Dec 2011, 17:09 pm
@charo-435: Nail on Head! There is that beyootiful feeling you get when backstabbing a backstabber…. Hoskens must be loving it.
20 Dec 2011, 17:21 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-453: You know, talking about Capo reminds me of the interesting cuisine that the slinkyslanties can think up. Specifically the flambe’d bo.bbejan brain… Normally one of these pr.imates is secured near the customer, topside of kop removed exposing grey matter and voila flambe’…. I reckon Capo may have been an unfortunate escapee…
20 Dec 2011, 18:48 pm
@Heavens Game-455: @Heavens Game-456: Sweet like a lemon.
20 Dec 2011, 19:11 pm
@stormersboy-459: Yes.
20 Dec 2011, 19:20 pm
Whats up swamp Donkeys….
Anyone see that Cecil Afrika try against France…I thought I was looking at Christian Cullen there for a second!
Give that man a bells and a Super Rugby contract.
20 Dec 2011, 19:33 pm
@Heavens Game-454:lol i knew you’d like this
@Heavens Game-456: hahaha @ “Tendersure number crunching” hey don’t knock our baby…let’s see who’ll be laughing all the way to the south of france when the trillion rand nuclear power plant procurement commences
schweeeeet
20 Dec 2011, 19:37 pm
@stormersboy-459: i had lunch with the chief QS at jo’burg city municipality today & quizzed him a bit about their procurement systems…seems like they having a wee issues.
will get more details when we link up in port st johns on the 26th.
20 Dec 2011, 19:38 pm
@Sasori-461: that was a BEAUT for sure! we went NUTS in the stands
20 Dec 2011, 19:39 pm
Seems Eddie Jones is the new coach for Japan.
20 Dec 2011, 19:49 pm
Whatafeckingday
20 Dec 2011, 20:09 pm
@ dawn…. you as well ? have hot bath with glass of wine and a ciggie, oh put some nice smellies in the bath as well.
20 Dec 2011, 20:11 pm
@Treehugger-467: is gunther snorkeling in your bubble bath?
20 Dec 2011, 20:21 pm
@ Transie lolololol crazy man
20 Dec 2011, 20:28 pm
@Transformation-464: I only saw it yesterday on the highlights of the day 2 play on rugbydump….seriously last time I had goose bumps watching a try by a saffa like that was Brent Russel scoring some pearlers against Aus a few years back
20 Dec 2011, 20:40 pm
Tree I need that! Why isn’t work winding down. Its getting worse!
20 Dec 2011, 21:06 pm
@Dawn-471: I feel your pain. Keo is a break from the grind of work – and there’s no brawling happening on here atm! What, am I now supposed to actually work -_-
Where the Gunther vs youknowwho show when I need it
20 Dec 2011, 21:22 pm
@Transformation-463:
As someone who’s done business with government at national, provincial, and municipal level in Gauteng in IT, “a few wee problems” is a gross understatement. It isn’t just corruption, but a general lack of understanding of the tools they’re acquiring.
20 Dec 2011, 21:38 pm
Naah. It’s skop vs HG and katman!
20 Dec 2011, 21:50 pm
its all of them, they can mostly be very entertaining and stimulating.
21 Dec 2011, 01:53 am
@Treehugger-448:
Thousands of people visited SA when it was an oppressive/murdering regime did that mean they supported the government or its policies, obviously plenty around here did though I’m going for a quick look my 1000 Euro’s wont be putting anybody through finishing school in Europe but perhaps the billions of dollars in aid the yanks have pumped in may have, some prefer CNN i’d rather check out the real thing.
21 Dec 2011, 01:56 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther-453:
you’re tryng too hard mate
21 Dec 2011, 02:29 am
@Sasori-461: cecil afrika is a freak. tackles, chips n chases, has speed to burn.
tear up his 7′s contract (of course with a bonus for early termination) and get him immediately into superrugby.
audacious and can sense a gap before it appears. hope he can play a position other than wing. would really like to see what he has to offer in 15′s
21 Dec 2011, 07:28 am
@Sasori-461: @man1a-478: If he does get a superugby contract he should go to the cheetahs. They will utilise him the best out of all the Franchises in S.A
21 Dec 2011, 07:32 am
@man1a-478: I think he needs to spend 1 more season playing 7′s just to hone his skills. I hope he tackles like Robert Ebersohn after he came out of 7′s.
21 Dec 2011, 07:34 am
Ohlala… That Gold guy has it in for SA rugby…he thinks PdV deserves another chance as Bok coach
21 Dec 2011, 07:47 am
@NZINCHINA-477:
I’m just happy that we’re still mates.
21 Dec 2011, 08:01 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther-482:
Xmas is coming.
21 Dec 2011, 08:39 am
@Treehugger-481: yeah, just saw gary punting pete too…lekker msl this oke
21 Dec 2011, 08:42 am
@Transformation-484: where did you see that Transie?
21 Dec 2011, 08:49 am
Gary is a good fella.
He is just being nice to divot because he knows he has more chance of making a rhino pregnant than he does of wearing the green blazer again.
21 Dec 2011, 09:03 am
If Goldis backing PDV it is because Gold wants another crack as assistant Bok coach……
Seems AC outof the running so Golds chances of coaching Stormers gone…..now he is throwing the PDV dice…..
For me….all 3 of the Stooges tainted…..best they stay far away from Bok and Stormer / WP Rugby….
21 Dec 2011, 09:10 am
does anybody know where ricky is?
http://www.iol.co.za/news/back-page/hunt-on-for-armed-croissant-robber-1.1201877
21 Dec 2011, 09:11 am
@Treehugger-481:
where do you get this info?
21 Dec 2011, 09:12 am
@Transformation-484:
msl?
21 Dec 2011, 09:20 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-488:
Apparently he thought he was robbing a bank.
When one of the employees reasoned with him he said – shut up and give me the dough.
I hope he has a freezer.
21 Dec 2011, 09:38 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther-491:
hehehe
i guess some guys could kill for a croissant
silly frenchies…
21 Dec 2011, 09:39 am
@…489.. saw him saying it on the news this morning. Really punting him, giving some stats how he has never lost against England and i think he said something about winning 4 in a row against kiwis. Pity he didnt say bout losing 2 Scotland, think that was a first as well.
21 Dec 2011, 09:57 am
@Treehugger-493:
ok, thanks.
its a mixed bag for him really. yes, they did some good things but, yes, they also did some bad. at the end of the day mediocre is unacceptable and to top it off they did preside over the loss of the grail.
so, no thanks to him and divvy… they should just move along.
21 Dec 2011, 10:05 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther-491: ag shurrup you fekkin pink tutu wearing f aggot.you and your daddy still fighting over pink frilly panties?
21 Dec 2011, 10:12 am
@NZINCHINA-476: absolutely.some on here like gunther the f aggot and his pink frilly panty wearing father definitely supported the actions of their apartheid government and probably still hope that those great days of pushing blackies down staircases returns.
21 Dec 2011, 10:33 am
OY! Calling someone a f aggot is way out of order and helluva nasty. Don’t be a bloody homophobic p-rick, doos.
21 Dec 2011, 10:51 am
@Michael-497: in africa we don’t take kindly to gunther and his father’s kind…get it!
21 Dec 2011, 11:00 am
@grant10-485: he was on E-tv this morning outside Newlands…as Tree said he cited all of pete’s ‘achievements’ and said ‘whether one is a fan of pete or not you can’t take away his success’ over the past 4 years”
thet asked him about coaching the Stormers & he said “no, i’m not going to be coaching the stormers, i haven’t spoken to anyone at wp/stormed about working with them, i’ve got opportunities lined up for me but not stormers.”
21 Dec 2011, 11:01 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-490: msl should be MAL.
21 Dec 2011, 11:01 am
Its that strange time of year again.
The wee man and his bunch of merry men have clearly packed up for an early xmas and left the site to the mercy of their subjects.
Papa Noel has even got to guntertjie, who is now mates with China and its all becoming far too nice and far too do-gooderish
Thank God mvk still remains for amusement
21 Dec 2011, 11:04 am
@Transformation-499:
Gold was the person responsible for creating the “Rush Defence” but since then has added no further value to rugby.
21 Dec 2011, 11:09 am
@Bod-501:
The wee guy may have headed for the beach,
but Santa is still watching.
And some of you Japies have been particularly naughty this year.
So only put up a small stocking christmas eve.
Ho ho ho.
8)
21 Dec 2011, 11:12 am
Heavans Game, Gunther and Bod…………………………………………………………Don’t bother with a stocking of any friggen kind.
bad boys get no toys.
21 Dec 2011, 11:13 am
Tis a wonder time of the year.
21 Dec 2011, 11:14 am
@Transformation-500:
oh i see.
21 Dec 2011, 11:16 am
@Transformation-499: just glad about the Stormers / WP comments……
I certainly dont want him as Boss man at ewlands…..
That entire FBC must move along !
21 Dec 2011, 11:17 am
@Santa cane-503:
i wished for heyneke to get the the job and for the boks to moer the all blacks six love next year as my christmas presents…do you think i’ll get em santa?..do you…
oh i’ve been such a good boy, really i have…
21 Dec 2011, 11:19 am
@Bod-501: hey boderick…how did you feel seeing barca DEMOLISH santos 4 – 0 and becoming the BEST football club in the world?
fiorentino perez must be fuming, along with every madrista alive.
21 Dec 2011, 11:20 am
Peri Weepu took Bill (The Webb Ellis Cup), to the Chatham Islands this week.
Now that boy is gunna get a sack full of goodies on the 25th.
(Chatham Islands {Pop 605…………………………. 606 when Peri was there.)
21 Dec 2011, 11:23 am
@Santa cane-503:
Santa Cane aka chokerman aka Ihaveanidentitycrisis
I cant believe you included me amongst the riff raff of HG and Guntertjie. I even got an xmas card from Pops last week!
I trust all is well in Waikenai. Sister Bod is sunning it out in SA for the festive season
21 Dec 2011, 11:26 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-508:
Tis the season to be jolly Bakkies.
But lets all try to keep our feet firmly on the friggen ground……………………… okay.
I’ll give you the Protea’s 2-0 over the Black Caps in the up coming Cricket Test Series.
Best I can do.
8)
21 Dec 2011, 11:28 am
@Bod-511:
I wish you, your Sister, and all of Yours, a truely great family Christmas Bod.
It will be very special to all be together.
21 Dec 2011, 11:35 am
@Transformation-509:
Yip… “world club champs” amongst some really stiff competition
I reckon the Levante 3rd side would have had a real crack at the “might” of Santos and would have at least made sure that that prat Neymar was hospitalised during the game
21 Dec 2011, 11:44 am
@Santa cane-513:
Ok Caner. I am only going to say this once, I am going to whisper it and you are the only Kiwi I will ever say this to….. so keep it between us…. capiche?
On second thoughts, let me do it in Spanish to try and rescue a bit of my reputation
Feliz navidades en tu y su familia y espero tiene un 2012 espectaculor! Tranquilo amigo…
21 Dec 2011, 11:44 am
@Bod-514: 19yr old Neymar is a phenom! he is the Israel Dagg of football!
21 Dec 2011, 11:48 am
@Bod-515:
8)
Okay put out a big stocking.
8)
21 Dec 2011, 11:52 am
@Santa cane-512:
dammit santa!…i’ll take it but i warn you… i’ll sell my soul to the devil for the rest..
21 Dec 2011, 11:55 am
@Transformation-516:
Its his haircut that irritatestheshit outta me.
I dont know what it is with these Spanish/Portuguese chicos and their stupid haircuts. I would love to open up a good old fashioned barber shop in downtown Valencia. The one with the red candystripe columns and only one choice of styling…. the good ol No 1 blade.
21 Dec 2011, 11:59 am
@Santa cane-517:
Thanks bud
I know you will need a fairly large stocking for your xmas wishes…
21 Dec 2011, 12:04 pm
@Bod-519: hahaha you saw how dani alves was when he joined the catalans from sevilla, same crazy haircuts…now he jisy cuts it short,no flash.
imagine andres iniesta with that hairdo
neymar is like francois hougaard when it comes to haircuts
21 Dec 2011, 12:04 pm
All Capo wants for Christmas is his two front teeth.
His two front teeth
His two front teeth.
21 Dec 2011, 12:05 pm
except for well known racists like hg,gunther,rangerman,hondo,bod,katman,kobuskitty,sharkslover….super blacks like transformation and brainless idiots like dawn,au revoir,skoppie i wish all the bloggers on keo a great christmas.
21 Dec 2011, 12:07 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-522: howdy mr f aggot.you dumped your father in the hole wearing his pink frilly panties or did you keep ity all for yourself?
21 Dec 2011, 12:08 pm
My favourite Christmas Carol……………………………The Little Drummer Boy.
My favourite Christmas Movie……………Bad Santa. (that Oke reminds me of me).
21 Dec 2011, 12:12 pm
@mvk-524:
Is your mom doing her 2 for 1 Xmas spitroast special this year?
Have you found out who your old man is yet?
21 Dec 2011, 12:14 pm
Now behave Children……………………………………..
21 Dec 2011, 12:16 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-526: have you asked your mother,the cheap 20 rand tart ,why she drove your daddy to wearing pink frilly panties?
21 Dec 2011, 12:17 pm
@Transformation-521:
The new one here is the “Mohawk”. Every second chico under 23 years has it. That stupid one that has a number one back and sides, yet the top hair is spared and all gelled up into the shape of an Andorran mountain peak.
Its the type of haircut I imagine mvk walks around with…
21 Dec 2011, 12:17 pm
525@ santa cane…is bad santa really that enjoyable, hub watched it last year and told me it was really funny, i dont watch xmasy movies so hvnt seen it.
21 Dec 2011, 12:20 pm
gunthie’s daddy loved peanut butter so much…he overdosed on it!!hehehehehe
21 Dec 2011, 12:22 pm
@mvk-523:
gosh, what makes me a ‘brainless idiot’?
oh well anyway, have a merry christmas all the same…
21 Dec 2011, 12:24 pm
@Treehugger-530:
It’s crude, really crude Treelover.
Whatever you do …………………………do not let any child in your care. watch this movie.
And don’t watch this movie with your parents……………………………you, or they, may be embarassed.
Other than that, it’s fabulous irony and fun.
Billy Bob Thornton…………………………………is awesome as Santa.
Best Christmas Movie ever.
21 Dec 2011, 12:25 pm
@Santa cane-527:
true…its the season to be jolly after all…
21 Dec 2011, 12:28 pm
@Santa cane-527:
Spare the rod spoil the Capo.
His favorite christmas song is How much is that Doggie in the Window.
21 Dec 2011, 12:28 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-534:
What will the Bakkies household have for Christmas lunch????????
Boerwors and Biltong washed down with Castle Ale and Nederberg?
21 Dec 2011, 12:28 pm
lol no wonder hub enjoyed it, will watch if its on again, dont do children so no problem there.
21 Dec 2011, 12:33 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-535:
Tis the time to reach out Gunna,
a time to embrace.
21 Dec 2011, 12:39 pm
gunthies mommy only wants a good few black bananas for christmas.have to admire a woman that drove her husband and gunthies father to wearing pink frilly panties.
21 Dec 2011, 12:42 pm
@mvk-539:
You are not helping the Christmas spirit here mvk.
try a little harder.
21 Dec 2011, 12:43 pm
@Santa cane-536:
i will admit i actually really, really do love boerewors.. and really, really do love biltong…
i dont know how skop can do it as a man, to go without meat
am not a big fan of wine but do love a beer.
windhoek, castle and/or grolsch (a dutch friend got me onto it)
and, when i can get my hands on some, zambezi beer
its made up in zimbabwe and i became fond of it on holiday, was pissed on it while fishing on the zambezi (incredible country really) and watched a dumb foreigner almost get taken by crocs… cant remember his nationality but he wasn’t kiwi.
21 Dec 2011, 12:43 pm
@Santa cane-540: sorry bad santa…..will try my best.
21 Dec 2011, 12:48 pm
To all bloggers and their families – have a happy and peaceful Christmas, one and all.
21 Dec 2011, 12:49 pm
@Santa cane-536:
to tell you the truth i find christmas lunch to be an overrated show, personally.
******’sakes just fire up a weber and stick some meat on it.. there really is nothing in world as satisfying as a braai.
i could do it every day of my life, honest
21 Dec 2011, 12:51 pm
@mvk-539: Capo, how you my little teflon coated toilet escapee… Fark, my last dump nearly tore me a new one… Was that you?
Must have been… It was farken technicolour and the whiff was worse than a prawn left in sunshine for a couple of days.
21 Dec 2011, 12:55 pm
@Santa cane-504: Sheep torchlight in the post SantaKarnt… you know…? those rubbery reverse warthog things decorated appropriately with merino wool to give a distinct Kiwi flavour… A couple of blue pills come free, to help your old Humphrey along too…
21 Dec 2011, 12:59 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-544:
My sentiments exactly.
8)
But some kind of effort is expected by the wider family, by tradition……………………………..so we do it.
21 Dec 2011, 13:01 pm
@Bod-511: Mike Greenaway’s Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance…?
21 Dec 2011, 13:02 pm
@Heavens Game-546:
You cannot beat a good bit of lamb on christmas day HG.
May you age in hell.
21 Dec 2011, 13:04 pm
I’ll pop in from time to time when the opportunity presents, but on the whole we’ve exhausted all the topics so we are just talking k uk here these days.
But with that all being said, i wish everyone a blessed, peaceful, and happy Christmas and New Year and look forward to sparring with all of you in the new year.
New Super Rugby, Tri Nations, CC, VC even Varsity Cup.
Frans Steyn coming to WP (did I say that aloud????) You heard it here first
As Lou Reed said: The future’s so bright……….
Ho ho ho ho ho
Peace on Earth and all that.
Cheers all.
21 Dec 2011, 13:07 pm
@mvk-523: who gives a f_cuk about your christmas wishes Msunu wakho!
racist scrotum-sucking pig!
21 Dec 2011, 13:08 pm
@stormersboy-550:
To you and yours Stormboy,
God Bless.
21 Dec 2011, 13:08 pm
@Heavens Game-548:
mm..mm. Rather Mike Greenaways nemises.
His knees are still swollen from that tackle of mine on him 15 years ago
21 Dec 2011, 13:09 pm
@Santa cane-549: I am sure for you sheepshaggers a bit of lamb on any day can’t be beaten….
Why, that’s so nice of you my upstanding moralistic little Kiwi mate… Prost! to you too… lol
21 Dec 2011, 13:11 pm
@Transformation-551:
21 Dec 2011, 13:11 pm
@Transformation-551: I am still trying to figure out what a “super black” is
21 Dec 2011, 13:11 pm
@stormersboy-550: A good one to you too… Until next years auspicious Plascon Trophy where debate resumes…
21 Dec 2011, 13:14 pm
@Bod-553: Thought you and him where on the same team…? The Toti Terrors…
Or did you just go moggy and moerhim from behind on the same side…
21 Dec 2011, 13:26 pm
We Hobbits have a new Movie on the way.
And it is indeed precious.
As precious as Bill………
http://youtu.be/JTSoD4BBCJc
21 Dec 2011, 13:30 pm
@Transformation-551:
Hayibo!
21 Dec 2011, 13:33 pm
hate the offseason….farken hate it I tell ya
21 Dec 2011, 13:34 pm
@Heavens Game-558:
Toti Terrors…. dont insult me!
Quins man through and through. Family tradition, my dad for the London and Pretoria versions, me for the Durban Chaptor.
Greenaway rated himself as a bit of centre, until my tackle convinced him ito the path of rugby journalism, so yes, I suppose you can lay the blame down on me.
21 Dec 2011, 13:41 pm
@stormersboy-550:
cheers and the same to you.
frans at the stormers? jeepers…such an attacking player in such a ‘defensive’ unit.. will it work..?..
21 Dec 2011, 13:41 pm
@Transformation-551:
Agreed
21 Dec 2011, 13:41 pm
@Bod-562: Sheez… Another “Mighty” farken Quin… like Fern…
Ruff, Tuff, straight from the Bluff, hey?
Always used to have a chuckle when playing there in my innocent youth… Like Cape Town, a different world in that Bluff bubble to the rest of SA…
21 Dec 2011, 13:43 pm
Why is everyone in a heebie about Cape Town
All I see is GP number plates here
21 Dec 2011, 13:45 pm
mvk is extraball
21 Dec 2011, 13:49 pm
@Dawn-567:
He is Caponova.
The poodlewhisperer.
21 Dec 2011, 13:50 pm
@Dawn-566: Mwwaahh to you too, Dawny… I think you like me
Whiplash and HG… Keo’s own Juliet and Romeo…
21 Dec 2011, 13:52 pm
@Dawn-566: heita you old tart ,now don’t go eyeing up those gp plates with dollar signs in your eyes now!!!
21 Dec 2011, 13:54 pm
hg and little pink boy(gunthie) together again……how schweeeeet!!
21 Dec 2011, 13:54 pm
Ja
We all know what happened to them.
21 Dec 2011, 13:54 pm
@Heavens Game-565:
Now you can see why I confuse Gunther so much. The bubbles of The Bluff, Cape Town and now Valencia
Pray tell…. with whom did you visit the hallowed turf of the Mighty Quins… the REAL House of Pain?
21 Dec 2011, 13:55 pm
@grant10-561: Go any buy yourself a mountain bike
21 Dec 2011, 13:58 pm
december is always a busy time for prawny and her fellow tarts.keep up the good work prawny.
21 Dec 2011, 13:59 pm
@mvk-571: Yes, Transie is absolutely 100% right… Msunu wakho… Gwaan now!
21 Dec 2011, 14:02 pm
hg loves playing with gunthies pink frilly panties…..the ones gunthies father passed on to him.
21 Dec 2011, 14:05 pm
@Dawn-572: Ag, come now Dawny, we can enjoy it while it lasts:
Here, another serenade…
“…And I dream your dream for you and now your dream is real
How can you look at me, as if I was just another one of your deals?
you can fall for chains of silver, you can fall for chains of gold
You can fall for pretty strangers and the promises they hold
You promised me everything, you promised me thick and thin
Now you just say, “Oh, Romeo, yeah, you know
I used to have a scene with him” ”
21 Dec 2011, 14:07 pm
@Bod-573: I may or may not have played at Quins in the days when a certain Uni was combined and won the league… lol
21 Dec 2011, 14:09 pm
@mvk-577: Its Mr. HG and Mr. Gunthie to you, laaitie.
21 Dec 2011, 14:12 pm
@Heavens Game-580</a F aggot gunthie and peanut-butter loving hg sounds just about right.just be careful…gunthies daddy overdosed on to much peanut butter eating.
21 Dec 2011, 14:13 pm
@mvk-577:
Jinne you are so boring.
21 Dec 2011, 14:17 pm
@Dawn-582: I bet those gp plate okes don’t say that of you when then have their prawny sandwich for breakfast,lunch and dinner.
21 Dec 2011, 14:19 pm
@mvk-581: Yes, I am partial to Peanut butter… makes me do a helluva lot of dumps though… suppose that’s why you keep reappearing… Many dumps = many opportunities to escape from the sewers…
How did you do it this time… Honestly, I flushed… and flushed… and flushed… yet you wouldn’t go down… Like a little farken excretion cork
21 Dec 2011, 14:22 pm
gunthie will always be a lucky gal come christmas times!!whether it’s christmas or not hg always love playing around with or in his peanut-butter jar.
21 Dec 2011, 14:23 pm
551@Transie
21 Dec 2011, 14:24 pm
kom nou kinders, speel mooi saam… dis kersfees tyd…
21 Dec 2011, 14:25 pm
Its true that December is a very busy month for the hoere of Cape Town.
Its no coincidence that the poodlenaaier was conceived at that time of year.
21 Dec 2011, 14:27 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-588: december is also the the time that your 20 rand tart of a mommy gets lots of black d ic ks up her ars e ne or is that now your beloved daddy?
21 Dec 2011, 14:29 pm
i wonder whether gunthie the fa ggot dressed his dady in his favourite pink frilly panty….before dumping him in a hole.
21 Dec 2011, 14:29 pm
@mvk-585: How’s Fifi the Poodle… Not giving you any…? I sense some pent-up frustration… You can always try self-fellatio if you can’t come right, you do know that?
21 Dec 2011, 14:32 pm
@mvk-590: Keep wondering… Your fantasies are interesting… Are you flirting with Gunther?
21 Dec 2011, 14:32 pm
gunthies mommy got a bit disillusioned with white d ic ks when she discovered gunthies daddy was servicing little gunthie from a young age…..typical white male behaviour.
21 Dec 2011, 14:38 pm
Good grief
21 Dec 2011, 14:39 pm
@mvk-593: So, I can very safely assume you are this typical “white male”…? From scatological genesis through incest to bestiality… Capo was formed and exists… Silly me… Its so obvious now…
21 Dec 2011, 14:45 pm
mvk… u r so fecking out of order u repulsive, sickening, nauseating filth.
21 Dec 2011, 14:48 pm
another german speaking man got jailed this week for having his way with his daughter for over 40 years!JUST WHAT DE FEC K IS WRONG WITH WHITE PEOPLE????
21 Dec 2011, 14:52 pm
@Treehugger-596: ….says the racist low-life doubling up as vermin scum who believes it’s okay for calling black people ba boons.
21 Dec 2011, 14:53 pm
@mvk-593: why do you follow your posts with a smiley when its clear you are full of anger son?
21 Dec 2011, 14:55 pm
@mvk-598: black people arent ******* buddy.
just you
21 Dec 2011, 14:56 pm
b ab oons
21 Dec 2011, 14:59 pm
guys, I brought some xmas troll food.
mvk is a very nice troll and should only be fed the best troll food.
so there you go, it’s gold label troll-o super 1. only the best for the best.
more importantly, happy dayz y’all! enjoy…
We’re gonna put 2 ducks and a ham in the one weber, and strap the mini spit on the other weber and spit 2 lamb legs. that’s all in the engish winter, too!! lekker
peace
Gtown (which stands for Grahamstown, my birthplace
)
21 Dec 2011, 15:06 pm
stupid boy, get yr facts right, it was m-nk-y.
21 Dec 2011, 15:11 pm
@Treehugger-603: no,it was ba boon you fekkin racist prick.after you have been exposed as a racist you have lost all credibility on this website.
21 Dec 2011, 15:17 pm
@Gtown-602: safe
21 Dec 2011, 15:22 pm
Really,
and yr opinion about anything is valued.
21 Dec 2011, 15:28 pm
@mvk-604:
The sad lonely people come out to play on keo the closer it gets to christmas.
21 Dec 2011, 15:28 pm
@Gtown-602:
cheers
21 Dec 2011, 15:30 pm
@mvk-598: But you are a bo.bbejan, Capo… :capeflatssmiley:
21 Dec 2011, 15:40 pm
@Heavens Game-609:
A big fat lonely simian looking for a mate.
Hoohoohooheeeeheehee.
21 Dec 2011, 15:56 pm
@Gtown-602: cheers Gtown, enjoy!
@mvk-604: bobbej aan.
in fact i think your new name should be jan (die bobbojan)
21 Dec 2011, 15:58 pm
The new SA how is that different from the old one?
21 Dec 2011, 15:58 pm
@Great White Shark-607: you are are nothing but a piece of ************* who proudly confessed on this website that you enjoyed torturing black people as a police commander of a hit squad during the apartheid years.you have even less credibility than treehugger so piss off you pink swine.
21 Dec 2011, 15:58 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-608:
I am just wondering who in their right minds would brag about hailing from Grahamstown??
21 Dec 2011, 15:59 pm
@NZINCHINA-612:
China
For once you make sense…
21 Dec 2011, 16:00 pm
@mvk-613:
Is that true?
21 Dec 2011, 16:02 pm
@NZINCHINA-612: not really when you have murderers like great white shark still running around as if nothing has happened.rubbish like him,rangerman and others really deserved something worse than the freedom they currently enjoys……south africa would have been the better for it.
21 Dec 2011, 16:04 pm
Wonder if there is any one from SA not on his chitlist.
Ok am going 2 stop playing with you now, my only pathetic excuse 4 doing it in the first place is i was very hot and bored.
21 Dec 2011, 16:05 pm
@NZINCHINA-616: he was a riot squad commander…..the most murderous apartheid police unit.
21 Dec 2011, 16:07 pm
Great white you actually said you enjoyed torturing people?
21 Dec 2011, 16:10 pm
you can ask skoppie as well about his torturing boasts.
21 Dec 2011, 16:11 pm
@Great White Shark-610: Well done, Great White Sharkie, I think you have made Capo your biyatch… One post and its done. Masterful
21 Dec 2011, 16:13 pm
@mvk-613: Hey, whatever GWS (Mr GWS to you, btw) might have “bragged” about is his story, but nothing beats your Poodle whacking conquest stories, cuzzie… Hellsteeth
21 Dec 2011, 16:16 pm
@NZINCHINA-612: Its like Chinese, Japanese, Pekingese… All the same… You should know…
21 Dec 2011, 16:18 pm
lol, u actually believe what comes out this guy. He is possibly the vilest specimen 2 ever grace these boards. You make up yr own mind.
21 Dec 2011, 16:18 pm
@Treehugger-618: Take it as a compliment Tree…
21 Dec 2011, 16:19 pm
@Treehugger-625: Nearly as vile as Poppa in shizo-psychotic breakdown mode…
21 Dec 2011, 16:21 pm
@Bod-614: You go to Rhodes, boet?
didn’t think so…
21 Dec 2011, 16:21 pm
@Treehugger-625: you condone the practice of torturing black people you low life white english b i t ch.?
21 Dec 2011, 16:24 pm
@NZINCHINA-620: Dude, please… do not listen to it.
21 Dec 2011, 16:24 pm
@Heavens Game-624:
It would appear that SA hasn’t changed at all, bragging about torturing people and you have no problem with that because you were all for it and still are.
@Treehugger-625:
Can you blame him though?
21 Dec 2011, 16:24 pm
@Gtown-628:
Nah… I went to proper varsity in a proper town
21 Dec 2011, 16:25 pm
@mvk-629: heeere trolly troll… got a treat for yooouuu… best there is!
21 Dec 2011, 16:25 pm
@mvk-629: Its Madam Tree to you… You forgotten your kisshen manners?
Say after me, “Ma…dam”…
And a “Yes, baas” wouldn’t go amiss afterward…
21 Dec 2011, 16:25 pm
@Gtown-630:
GWS can nip it in the bud right now if its not true.
21 Dec 2011, 16:26 pm
@NZINCHINA-631:
One comment of sense…. and now its back to the old China
Yegads
21 Dec 2011, 16:26 pm
Keo 1 crazy blog site….insanity rules…..
working damn hard ….who said Dec is a slow down? Fark me!!
Not complaining though….
21 Dec 2011, 16:27 pm
@NZINCHINA-631: Torturing sheepshaggers ain’t the same as torturing “people”, yeah?
Sheez, whats this world coming to… PC everywhere… Pfft, now sheepshaggers want to become “people”… Whateverthefck next?
21 Dec 2011, 16:30 pm
@Bod-632: ja ja ja… no better varsity SA. believe it! might not be the biggest, but if you take the per head for staff and students, there are more papers published and better results percentages than anywhere else in our lovely land. That being said growing up there was another story altogether!! 14 – 18??? not fun. thank vok for my Cape Town getaways every holiday…
@NZINCHINA-631: sweeping statements don’t mean anything, buddy. try again…
21 Dec 2011, 16:31 pm
@NZINCHINA-631: two white males got released for killing a black homeless man and torturing his friend in 2001.they served 3 years of a 12 year sentence and got released on the recommendation of a mostly white parole board whose decision was made legal by a white judge.when the black prison minister tried to to stop this release white people in this country exploded on social sites attacking this black minister and the anc government.this is the sick mind of white saffas my friend.
21 Dec 2011, 16:32 pm
@Heavens Game-638:
fair enough but you didn’t have a problem with black people being tortured during the apartheid years did you, be honest now?
21 Dec 2011, 16:33 pm
@NZINCHINA-620: Are you being faux-righteous, my little sheepshagging Pakeha?
What’s torture? Mmmm, must ask them Chinamen the next time I meet with one… Heard them slinkyslanties are quite accomplished…
21 Dec 2011, 16:34 pm
come on great white shark!come on out and tell us you never were a riot squad commander tasked with torturing black political activists and innocent women and children.
21 Dec 2011, 16:36 pm
@Gtown-639:
Ok…. at least Rhodes taught you the art of picking up on trollers and how not to take the bait
Still, I am sure GTown is a million yarns better than anywhere on that Mud Island you find yourself in now… enjoy the feast!
21 Dec 2011, 16:36 pm
@NZINCHINA-641: Fck off with whats “fair” or not… What the fck gives you the right to moralise? Antipodeans have quite an interesting torturous history themselves, hey?
Best you try your utmost not referring to antipodean hypocrisy… Before the tears start flowing, okay?
21 Dec 2011, 16:37 pm
@Heavens Game-642:
Nope just asking a question.
21 Dec 2011, 16:39 pm
@Heavens Game-645:
All that is true, was just wondering what your personal stance was if you don’t want to answer fair enough, yip NZ did some pretty bad things in 1830 as well.
21 Dec 2011, 16:39 pm
@NZINCHINA-641: he is from zimbabwe and there might be a possibility that his family might have engaged in war crimes against blacks there during the fight for zim independence.we should also remember that the apartheid government dispatched hit squads over to rhodesia as it was known then in order to help ian smith and the white minority when mugabe started to gain the upperhand in the war.
21 Dec 2011, 16:40 pm
@mvk-640: Fairy Tales… Would do Hans Christian Andersen proud… Come now Capo, what would you know as a pimply little white CT chebab
21 Dec 2011, 16:40 pm
Have to run, good night all.
21 Dec 2011, 16:42 pm
@mvk-640: got to ad that they got released this week.
21 Dec 2011, 16:43 pm
@mvk-648: LOL… Chimurenga was good for us… Sifted the bad from the good…
Not that you would understand…
21 Dec 2011, 16:48 pm
629@mvk…lol, u r some piece of work and extremly entertaining.
21 Dec 2011, 16:58 pm
application was about to be brought before the North Gauteng High Court in a bid to force the department to abide with the ruling of the Regional Court.
Modise said a statement on the matter would be released by the department shortly.
He insisted that the department did not agree with the order that the pair be released on parole.
“We are not happy with the court order. We want to challenge this.”
Tiedt and Van Schalkwyk were among a group of four men convicted of killing a homeless man and assaulting another at a park in Pretoria in 2001. They were each sentenced to 12 years’ imprisonment.
Van Schalkwyk and Tiedt have served three years of the sentence.
The remaining two were being held in another prison and not included in the release order.
- SAPA
Read more on: gert van schalkwyk | reinach tiedt | pretoria | waterkloof 4 | crime
these are hg’s and treefekker’s people.glad to know that they are supporting these inbreds.
21 Dec 2011, 17:02 pm
@mvk-654: Here’s a good one… The Superior 72… Just for you… With Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs7V_IBQcDg&feature=related
21 Dec 2011, 17:04 pm
@Heavens Game-655: i am not interested in your links you fekking racist pig and torturing and murder supporting scumbag.
21 Dec 2011, 17:06 pm
@Sasuke-479: Heh…I was thinking that actually. I’d rather have him then Daniller at 15. Plus I’m a Cheetahs supporter and would love to see him play there
21 Dec 2011, 17:07 pm
time to go.keep playing with gunthies peanut butter jar hg but don’t forget that you can overdose on it just like gunthies old timer.matigheid buddy.
21 Dec 2011, 17:11 pm
@Bod-614:
hehehe look it is small, theres no doubt about that, but it cant be too bad.
i suppose you just have to get really hammered and make the most of it.
21 Dec 2011, 17:12 pm
@mvk-656: Oh dear…
You could have learnt something worthwhile…
21 Dec 2011, 17:15 pm
It looks like John Terry is about to be added to mvk’s hitlist
21 Dec 2011, 17:33 pm
@Bod-661:
I can only assume Luis Suarez already is…
21 Dec 2011, 17:36 pm
@WP Till I Die-662:
Yip, done and dusted, although he claims “cultural misunderstanding” as his main form of defence..
Strange hombres my Spanish mates…
21 Dec 2011, 17:40 pm
Suarez should have got 6 bloody months…..send a firm signal that racism will not be tolerated in any form or guise…..
Terry should have book thrown at him as well…cut the cancer out man….
21 Dec 2011, 17:58 pm
@grant10-664: Wasn’t Suarez the chap that got that controversial “goal” in the World Cup??
21 Dec 2011, 18:02 pm
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SA Time: 21 December 2011 17:58:54
‘*** with daughter was consensual’
December 20 2011 at 09:30am
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IOL news dec 20 wld Germany Incest Case
AP
Adolf B, left, sits in a courtroom in Nuremberg.
A German court on Monday jailed a pensioner for two years and eight months for having *** with his daughter over three decades, but threw out charges he repeatedly raped her.
Sexual relations between 69-year-old Adolf Bergbauer and his now 46-year-old daughter had been consensual, the court in the southern German city of Nuremberg ruled.
But it sentenced him to the jail term for incest and coercion.
Bergbauer had been charged with nearly 500 counts of rape, but while he admitted *** with his daughter in testimony before the court, he denied he raped her, saying she had consented.
Prosecutors however said he started to rape his daughter when she was 12, fathering three children with her, and had demanded 14 years behind bars for the defendant. They said they would consider an appeal.
Judge Guenther Heydner said the court had not been able to conclude that the daughter was forced into sexual relations through violence.
“With testimony which changed in key aspects from charge to charge, we could not establish proof,” he said.
Bergbauer, who is illiterate and used to work as an occasional labourer, claimed the first sexual contact took place when she was 17. “She was a willing participant,” he insisted.
He said they had consensual *** around twice a week.
However, according to prosecutors, the daughter said he raped her in her parents’ bedroom, in her own room and later in the woods in the back of his car.
She also said he forced her into *** at knife-point, which Bergbauer strenuously denied.
Of the three sons born as a result, two died and the other is handicapped. – AFP
WHAT DE FECK IS WRONG WITH THESE GERMAN PEOPLE WP TILL I DIE?
21 Dec 2011, 18:03 pm
Good god Keo is a warzone today. That Capo, the internet cliche of “I cant tell if a troll or just stupid” really applies to that ******.
Suarez is a real ****…a waste of space, there are few people I hate, and he is one…..the attitudes that soccer players have is part of the reason I cannot watch the game anymore.
21 Dec 2011, 18:06 pm
@Sasori-667: Yeah, I’m a Liverpool fan and I don’t like him either.
21 Dec 2011, 18:10 pm
Just because you can never have enough Stormers stories, this from news 24:
By Jody Hendricks
The Stormers released a packed pre-season calendar of events ahead of the 2012 Super 15 competition. Some mouthwatering clashes await rugby fans in the Mother City with the Cape side playing home games against the Boland, Lions and Sharks as well as an away match against the EP Kings in Port Elizabeth.
They’ve named a pre-season training squad of 53 players. All of them will be involved in the pre-season matches before the squad is trimmed down to 30 players for the Super 15.
This is a fairly young and inexperienced squad compared to previous years. They have lost several key players to overseas clubs and other SA unions. Team management is likely to select second string sides against Boland and the Kings while experimenting with combinations and fringe players in the Neo Africa Tri-Series.
The weakness in the squad is at Flyhalf and Centre. They don’t have an experienced no 10 and the only recognized flyhalf, Peter Grant is only expected back in the Cape after the doing duty in Japan.
The Stormers are also looking thin in the midfield. They failed to secure a deal with Former Springbok centre Adrian Jacobs and the departure of Jacques Fourie to Japan, Tim Whitehead to the Sharks and Johan Sadie to the Bulls has left them with very little back-up to stalwarts Jean De Villiers and Juan De Jongh.
They have however recruited some new players. Former Springbok prop, Deon Caarstens, Bulls wing Gerhard van der Heever, Fullback Joe Pietersen from France, Flyhalf Burton Frances from the Lions and former Springbok scrumhalf Bolla Conradie, who was instrumental in helping Boland win the Currie Cup first division title last season have all been included. The team will also be boosted by the return of lock Andries Bekker, the tallest player in Springbok history has recovered from a long injury lay-off and is expected to play a vital leadership role in the team. .
The Cape Side will be depending on other experienced players like Bryan Hababa, Gio Aplon, Duane Vermeulen, Captain Schalk Burger, Tiaan Liebenberg and the midfield combo of Jean De Villiers and Juan De Jongh to spearhead their attack. While youngsters like Siya Kolisi, Danie Poolman, Nick Fenton-Wells and Rynhardt Elstadt are expected to make a major impact in the tournament.
The Stormers training squad
Gio Aplon, Reuben Johannes, Donovan Armandt, Rohan Kitshoff, Andries Bekker, Steven Kitshoff , Wicus Blaauw, Berton Klaasen, Tom Botha, Siya Kolisi, Marcel Brache, Nick Koster, Schalk Burger, Adrian Kritzinger, Nizaam Carr, Deon Carstens, Clement Lewis, Demetri Catrakilis, Tiaan Liebenberg, Kurt Coleman, Hilton Lobberts, Bolla Conradie, Frans Malherbe, Juan de Jongh, Scarra Ntubeni, Jean de Villiers, Joe Pietersen, JP du Plessis, Danie Poolman, Dewaldt Duvenage, Quinn Roux, Rynhardt Elstadt, Louis Schreuder, Eben Etzebeth, De Kock Steenkamp, Nick Fenton-Wells, Tim Swiel, Schalk Ferreira, Ricky Schroeder, Deon Fourie, Gary van Aswegen, Burton Francis, Gerhard van den Heever, Peter Grant, Hein van der Merwe, Nic Groom, Michael van der Spuy, Bryan Habana, Willem van Wyk, Brok Harris, Allister Vermaak, Yaya Hartzenberg, Duane Vermeulen
Pre Season games for the Stormers
21 Jan 2012 Friendly: Boland vs DHL Stormers at Boland Rugby Stadium
27 Jan 2012 Neo Africa Tri-Series: DHL Stormers vs Lions at DHL Newlands
31 Jan 2012 Neo Africa Tri-Series: Lions vs Sharks at DHL Newlands
04 Feb 2012 Neo Africa Tri-Series: DHL Stormers vs Sharks at DHL Newlands
11 Feb 2012 Friendly: EP Kings vs DHL Stormers at Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium
21 Dec 2011, 18:12 pm
@stormersboy-668: Ah my condolences; not on being a Liverpool fan but rather that you have a **** like Suarez on your team.
21 Dec 2011, 18:20 pm
@stormersboy-669:
More than enough in that squad to suggest we shall again be our countries top dogs come S15 season.
BTW…. Scarra Ntobeni????
21 Dec 2011, 18:21 pm
@stormersboy-669: Some exciting players in that squad, hopefully Eben Etzebeth, Siya Kolisi and Tim Swiel get some super rugby game time – especially curious about this Swiel kid…
Out of nowhere South Africa is producing quite a few exciting 10′s. I’d love to see a game of Swiel vs Goosen
21 Dec 2011, 18:29 pm
Pity about Chavanga being released by the Lions.
Was at the game in East London when he scored those 6 tries against Urugauy.
Also met Roberto Cannesa that day, the guy that survived the Urugauy Rugby team plane crash in the Andes. This guy and a few others survived a plane crash in the Andes and was kept alive by eating their fellow team mates who died in the crash.
21 Dec 2011, 18:40 pm
@Jeraldjay-673: directly after that match, the drunk, Solly T went on a 3 day drinking binge. I wonder why the Bok captain and his provincial captain, Mr Plod kept quiet?
Rather a drunk than a puke player like Watson in the team. You just have to admire the thinking of the fat boys.
Oh and rugby journalist, such as Keo were culpable by keeping Solly’s addiction a secret.
21 Dec 2011, 18:44 pm
I don’t understand how this guy mvk thinks it’s OK to address women the way he does, politics aside.
21 Dec 2011, 18:52 pm
@Bod-671: scarra is that wee little hooker that they have, nothing to write home about …. If Liebenberg pulls up lame they will be left with that blind one eyed hooker who is not straight – you could say that his throwing style into the lineout is brokeback
– and they will have the terror know as Scarra.
21 Dec 2011, 18:53 pm
Maybe s true about GWS I see he disappeared
21 Dec 2011, 18:54 pm
RL leave him be man he’s dead.
21 Dec 2011, 18:57 pm
@Dawn-678: why did Keo not expose his drinking ways earlier, what was his motive? Can you imagine the hits he would have generated if he reported on the wet party that Solly had with his bro’s and ho’s.
21 Dec 2011, 18:58 pm
@Bod-671: He’s a hooker. met him, he played in some of the warm up games, very promising. He’s not a small fella, bigger than Deon, maybe even as Tiaan, quite chunky, and young. Part of the new school coming through.
His name is Siya, but since there are 2 of them they call him Scarra.
Expect him to get some game time in the league this year. He has a lot of promise.
21 Dec 2011, 19:02 pm
@Dawn-675: It had nothing to do with politics and everything to do with class in his case, of which he has clearly none.
I’d be amazed if he was able to log on tomorrow after his comment to Treehugger earlier quite frankly.
Calling someone a “wh ite B!tch” is tantamount to hate speech IMO.
If he said that in my company he’d leave the room with his head held high
and his feet held higher.
21 Dec 2011, 19:03 pm
@stormersboy-680:
Double Velvet Trophy material?
21 Dec 2011, 19:03 pm
@Sasori-672: True, I’m looking forward to seeing some of him in the warm up games.
21 Dec 2011, 19:04 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-682: Maybe even. Dreams do come true!
21 Dec 2011, 19:05 pm
@stormersboy-680: Stormboy, why is Yaya still on your teams books? and what’s the deal with Bolla? and does AC really need 5 flyhalfs in his squad … hell man fire Rassie!
21 Dec 2011, 19:06 pm
@stormersboy-684: Although since he did play in that tournament last year he already has that notch on his bedpost.
Onward and upward!
21 Dec 2011, 19:07 pm
@stormersboy-681:
Nothing is sacred to the poodlenaaier.
He has some deep issues.
21 Dec 2011, 19:07 pm
@stormersboy
He called me some choice names earlier too.
It’s beyond belief!
21 Dec 2011, 19:08 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-685: It’s a broad squad and will get narrowed down closer to the time.
Last year we needed more than 5 flyhalves lol.
I think that fact that we are trialling so many of them obviously speaks to our potential weakness in that area.
21 Dec 2011, 19:09 pm
Anyhoo, jingle balls.
21 Dec 2011, 19:11 pm
@Dawn-688: Not on. He made a comment about my kids ending up at the bottom of the Jukskei river a while ago, he called Transie the K word, he is on about Gunther’s parents, there is nothing sacred to him.
I’d love to meet him in a dark alley some time.
A few of us would.
21 Dec 2011, 19:17 pm
I would cheerfully put the fecker through a wood chipper, limb by limb.
21 Dec 2011, 19:17 pm
@Dawn-692: I like your style.
Ho Ho Ho
21 Dec 2011, 19:19 pm
@stormersboy-665: suarez didn’t get a controversial goal @ swc. he blatantly stopped a sure goal by ghana with both his hands and stood in the tunnel asamoah gyan took the penalty & ballooned over the bar to which suarez was filmed celebrating and laughing as he walked to the showers. before liverpool bought him he was suspended for months by the dutchFA for BITING an opposition player in the neck. as a footballer he is brilliant but always embroiled in kak.
21 Dec 2011, 19:24 pm
@Dawn-692:
No doubt that would upset his buddy in china.
21 Dec 2011, 19:27 pm
@Bod-644: fkn forum VETERAN here my nizzle… I’ve enjoyed your posts about downhilling and shiz, so kudos.
mvk is a racist. that is all.
21 Dec 2011, 19:28 pm
@Transformation-694: That’s the one. I remember now. I knew he was involved in cheating at some level.
Seems like a piece of work.
21 Dec 2011, 19:38 pm
What the hell is going on today, this mvk guy would be a rich man if Keo was still doing the Keo $.
21 Dec 2011, 19:40 pm
@JA-JA-698: Yaya is that you? How’s the training going … still sporting that boep or were you told to get rid of it?
21 Dec 2011, 19:42 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-699:
21 Dec 2011, 19:45 pm
I think you got the wrong Yaya.
No boep here man, I set the alarms off at the airport yesterday morning with my abs of steel….I wish, do have a small boep but by the sound of it Yaya’s must be quite something to behold.
21 Dec 2011, 19:50 pm
Ah.
Men’s anatomy.
My favourite subject.
21 Dec 2011, 19:52 pm
@Dawn-702: Speaking of boeps, It’s time to hit the gym, festive season prevention program in full swing.
21 Dec 2011, 19:57 pm
@stormersboy-669:
Interesting,
Recruiting Burton: Francis was merely INVITED to train with the squad, he isn’t recruited yet, mentioning him in the same context with newly contracted playes looks rather tendentious
“stalwarts Jean De Villiers and Juan De Jongh.” where that one came from?
” The Cape Side will be depending on other experienced players like Bryan Hababa, Gio Aplon” that’s a good one, it must be that Jody H got mixed them up with Jonker, Craig Joubert and Pro Legota on whom the Stormers will be heavily be depending on
21 Dec 2011, 20:11 pm
@stormersboy-691: bring it on you paedophile…..on second thought i would rather meet you vile white sexual predators in well lit areas.
21 Dec 2011, 20:26 pm
@mvk…whoa ! u fecking with the wrong person saying that 2 Stormersboy… he is a lawyer. Hope he nails u 4 liable. I hope Ryan reads this and bans u 4 ever.
21 Dec 2011, 20:30 pm
@mvk-705: Klink my jy blaf hard maar jou byt is soos ‘n baba se gums.
21 Dec 2011, 20:31 pm
Well, well it seems that retrenchment for the buitenlanders playing in Ireland will soon become a reality …… I like it and stuff those traitors. Don’t expect employment at my beautiful Lions.
South Africans playing in Ireland could be forced to look elsewhere for employment following the Irish Rugby Football Union’s new regulations limiting non-Irish qualified players.
The IRFU has introduced the regulations to protect the talent coming through that will be available to the national team.
Under the new regime only one non-Irish qualified player will be allowed to play across the fifteen positions for Ulster, Leinster and Munster.
This means that if an overseas player such as Springbok lock Johann Muller were to continue to play for Ulster, then neither Leinster nor Munster would be permitted to have a foreign second row on their books when these changes take effect in 2013.
The reasons for the changes are to make sure that at least two quality players are available to the national team in every position from the three large Irish sides, with an IRFU statement explaining that “Irish qualified players who have progressed through the provincial academy systems will see greater opportunities for professional game time experience, allowing both the IRFU and provinces to deliver the maximum amount of value for the 2.5m-Euro that is invested annually across the four provincial academies”.
However, the same statement on the Irish Rugby Football Union website revealed that the fourth Irish team involved in the Pro12, Connacht, would not be affected by the changes, as there is already a new programme of structural and performance development agreed with the IRFU.
South Africans Muller, Ruan Pienaar, Pedrie Wannenburg, Stefan Terblanché and Robbie Diack (all Ulster), Richardt Strauss, Heinke van der Merwe and Steven Sykes (all Leinster) and BJ Botha and Wian du Preez (both Munster) are all currently playing top-level rugby in Ireland.
However, Diack recently qualified to play for Ireland through residency, while Strauss is also headed in that direction having been in Dublin since 2009. Strauss is expected to qualify for Ireland at the end of this year.
Sykes, who sat on the Bok bench (against the B&I Lions in 2009), but never earned his national colours, moved to Ireland with the intention of representing his adopted country, saying at the time of his move (in March of this year): “I want to play international rugby and it would be a fantastic honour to play for Ireland as well if it came about.”
To add to the South Africans currently playing for Leinster, Munster or Ulster, other foreigners such as Doug Howlett, Matt Berquist, Isa Nacewa, John Afoa, Simon Danielli and Jared Payne are also playing in Ireland, which means there could be some changes made to playing squads come 2013.
IRFU Chief Executive Philip Browne added: “The challenges for the IRFU and the provincial teams are to continue to try to be successful at all levels, but balance this by recognising the model under which Irish rugby has produced that success over the last 12 years.
“The provincial teams have contributed hugely to the achievements of the Ireland team, but it is important to remember that the Ireland team is the marquee competitive outlet for the game in Ireland and also the financial mechanism that funds rugby at all levels.
“On this basis, it is essential that the Ireland team is given every opportunity to remain competitive at international level and to do that, it requires Irish-qualified players to gain continuous experience at club and provincial level.
“Equally, non-Irish qualified players have delivered much value and support to the success of the provincial teams and development of Irish players over the last number of years. The intention is that this will continue, but not to the detriment of the progress of Irish-qualified players in key positions.
“The refinements continue to allow the provinces to sign overseas players who will not alone play for the province but critically allow young Irish players to learn from these players and put this knowledge into practice by taking over the position once that player’s contract is completed.”
21 Dec 2011, 20:32 pm
@Treehugger-706: and you are nothing but a white racist peos !your ar se should have been dragged through a human rights court a long time ago you little racist pu ssy.
21 Dec 2011, 20:36 pm
@Treehugger-706: are you feckkin stormersboy that you know so much about him?go feck off and threaten somebody else you fekkin white vermin scum.
21 Dec 2011, 20:39 pm
@mvk-709: Capo take it easy on the paraffin … and put your momma’s tik back!
21 Dec 2011, 20:46 pm
@stormersboy-697: i see he says the word “negrito” is not malicious or
21 Dec 2011, 20:51 pm
@710… you r a hoot, your silly insults are pathetic just like you. Am sure if u put some effort in2 it u can do better.
21 Dec 2011, 20:55 pm
@Treehugger-713: hugs it looks like ex-sharkievarkies, Muller or Sykes will be unemployed soon … tell big ears to go and fetch …. that coward Hargreaves just does not cut it.
21 Dec 2011, 20:56 pm
THIS IS WHAT WHITE PEOPLE GET UP TO IN THEIR SPARE TIME AND WHEN NO ONE IS LOOKING…..VERY MUCH ENDEMIC OF THEIR HISTORY AND CULTURE.
Paedophile’s appeal shatters family – 21 Dec
Cape Town – A couple from Paarl are “shattered” that the man who sexually abused their 10-year-old boy three years ago has had his five-year jail sentence overturned.
A full bench of the Western Cape High Court set aside the sentence on Tuesday and ordered that retired accountant and school teacher Ian Appleton, 74, instead be sentenced to correctional supervision involving a short period of imprisonment. It ruled that he then be released into house arrest.
The boy’s mother, who cannot be named, told the Cape Times newspaper that the justice system had failed her son. She said only a life sentence would have satisfied her.
“The system lost the fact that a young child had been raped, not once, but many times,” she said.
“I’m completely shattered. I’m a very sad woman today. It is a crying shame. What message is this sending to mothers of children who have been raped?
“They lost sight of the crime. It is also sad to see how money can influence the system. He is wealthy and can hire the best lawyers.”
Testify
The boy’s father said that, as parents, their biggest regret had been not putting their son on the witness stand.
“We made the wrong decision. He’s a strong little kid. Had he testified, things might have turned out differently.”
Judges Daniel Dlodlo and Vincent Saldanha referred the case back to the Paarl Regional Court, for Magistrate Norma Smile to decide the period of imprisonment and the duration of Appleton’s house arrest.
Appleton was found guilty of performing oral *** on the boy in 2008. He was convicted last month of rape under the new Children’s Act.
At his trial, it emerged that Appleton had developed a long-standing close friendship with the boy’s parents, who gave him unlimited access to the child.
Therapy
The judges said the magistrate had considered correctional supervision inappropriate, due to the seriousness of the offence.
They said Appleton was currently receiving rehabilitative therapy for paedophilia, and had undertaken to continue with the treatment at his own expense.
This would ensure Appleton was properly managed, monitored and rehabilitated, to enable him to assume accountability and responsibility for his condition, the judges said.
They said State advocate Mornay Julius, in opposing the appeal, had referred to the scourge of sexual abuse of children, and the impunity with which it happened “almost on a daily basis”.
The judges said correctional supervision should not be regarded as a “light sentence”, as it served the specific purpose of rehabilitation.
If the offender failed to strictly comply with the restrictive conditions applicable to correctional supervision, the offender would be brought back to court to be sentenced afresh.
- SAPA
21 Dec 2011, 21:05 pm
i believe that the paedophillia phenomena has reached critical levels among white english speaking south africans as well.it saddens my heart that my white brothers and sisters can behave so irresponsible towards children.i believe that we must help our white brothers and sisters and get them back on the path of righteousness.the government also needs to play it’s part and should make funding available for castration as a starting point against this sexual evil.
21 Dec 2011, 21:10 pm
Someone’s looking for help for his problem
Shame
21 Dec 2011, 21:10 pm
714@..pussycat, why do u think they will get rid of them, money problems? agree bout Hargreaves, has not lived up 2 expectations.
21 Dec 2011, 21:15 pm
@Treehugger-718: they are not leprecheauns, that’s why they will be history soon.
21 Dec 2011, 21:19 pm
lolololol
21 Dec 2011, 21:52 pm
@Transformation-712: Yeah him and capo/mvk/whomever probably have a lot in common.
With the emphasis on common.
21 Dec 2011, 22:10 pm
Look at that 10 minutes to kill and the place goes dead!
21 Dec 2011, 22:11 pm
@mvk-705: You need help, you can not hide on the net, liable remains liable
21 Dec 2011, 22:13 pm
@stormersboy-721:
@Treehugger-720:
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-719:
Seasons Greetings fellow Keolings…
21 Dec 2011, 22:15 pm
@JL1-723: So does hate speach, crimen injuria and slander.
@carol-724: Howdy Carol. Decking the halls and all that??
21 Dec 2011, 22:15 pm
@JL1-723:
Hey JL..How are you doing? Sorry I missed the Twickenham gathering…..I think 2012 will be a better year for us trying to drink the Fox dry again!
21 Dec 2011, 22:17 pm
@stormersboy-725:
‘Tis the season to be jolly’
Hey, I am not on your email list…
Quite hurt!! lol
Hear you sent a very cordial mail to some Keolings…..
21 Dec 2011, 22:19 pm
@carol-722: Carol, how are gorgeous one?
21 Dec 2011, 22:21 pm
@carol-727: Well we’ll have to remedy that immediately. i’d give it to you but given the company that is lurking tonight i’d be careful.
I’ll drop Grant a line and ask him to forward my addie to you! Robzim can do it too.
21 Dec 2011, 22:21 pm
@stormersboy-725: It wasn’t me, promise
@carol-726: I am going to Twickers for the Boxing Day Sarries v Quis game
21 Dec 2011, 22:23 pm
@stormersboy-729: Blokes sharing addies
21 Dec 2011, 22:29 pm
@JL1-730: lol i know. i was talking about our esteemed fellow blogger.
@JL1-731: Blokes and dolls.
21 Dec 2011, 22:31 pm
@carol-727: You are very well connected though, I’ll give you that!
21 Dec 2011, 22:33 pm
All very cosy and all!
21 Dec 2011, 22:34 pm
@stormersboy-732: Sounds like a 70 SA rock group group
21 Dec 2011, 22:35 pm
Am I interrupting something?
21 Dec 2011, 22:39 pm
@JL1-728:
Pretty good thank you.
Hope you have a great time at the game. Quins are on fire at the moment!
21 Dec 2011, 22:39 pm
@stormersboy-729:
Cool…!!
I am frightfully well connected btw!!
21 Dec 2011, 22:40 pm
@Dawn-736:
Not at all …. Perhaps you can keep things going I have to do supper now!
21 Dec 2011, 22:41 pm
@carol-727: Don’t feel hurt, I was missed off too, so what!
Can be bothered swopping Speedos for Christmas
21 Dec 2011, 22:42 pm
@JL1-740: I mean can’t be bothered
21 Dec 2011, 22:44 pm
@carol-737: Burning hot
21 Dec 2011, 22:46 pm
No offense to anyone. I have connected with some bloggers outside of this forum over the years and just sent them a Christmas greeting.
Some i know through business, some through friendship, some just sommer.
I also sent a general one to all the keo bloggers a few pages back too.
21 Dec 2011, 22:47 pm
@carol-738:
21 Dec 2011, 22:48 pm
@stormersboy-743: Where is my effing present?
21 Dec 2011, 22:51 pm
@JL1-745: Santa Claus you cnut?
21 Dec 2011, 22:58 pm
@stormersboy-746: I will nw officially scrap you of my Christmas list and delete you from Vleisboek
21 Dec 2011, 23:00 pm
@JL1-747: lol i was referring to the song not you.
please don’t go………
21 Dec 2011, 23:04 pm
@mvk
You have BIG issues man, you need some help to get that huge Willards chip off your shoulder.
The hatred you have is the thing that is taking South Africa down and making South Africa look very bad.
21 Dec 2011, 23:08 pm
@JA-JA-749:
Ignor him dude, he is just a troll
21 Dec 2011, 23:15 pm
@JL1-723: Surrey boy, it’s actually libel. But why even bother?
21 Dec 2011, 23:17 pm
I haven’t seen you guys much this year. But wishing you all every blessing a wonderful holiday.
A little snow falling outside. I should not complain it is very late.
But here’s a greeting said much better than me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6YrcsppZOI
22 Dec 2011, 00:34 am
@SodaJoe-751: Yep, that is what I said, just spelt incorrectly
22 Dec 2011, 00:41 am
@SodaJoe-752:
Missed you AGAIN !!
22 Dec 2011, 02:10 am
well that was it
You all missed it
21st December , winter solstice in NH and summer solstice in SH, zenith point of turning from winter to summer, and vice versa, shortest or longest day or night depending which side of equator you at.
So you all got your dates screwd up, because some dilly Roman decided it was around Dec 25th you gone and missed your pagan ritual festival day, you planning your bloody debauchery for the wrong day, its just gone.
Santa’s been and gone already and so has JC superstar, too bad you missed it but its happened and is already gone. Better try again for better luck next time.
22 Dec 2011, 06:34 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-708: i see the Oirish have imposed quotas on their clubs, so all those saffas that apparently left because of quotas here in SA are in a bit of a pickle.
@stormersboy-748: anyway, i was trying to say suarez for me is no different from darren scott. he says in uruguay the word “negrito” is not malicious and only means “little black fella”. now that could be the case but my question is why that word popped numerously in HEATED moments of the match. he is not friends with evra so why would he think referring to him as a wee black fella is appropriate?
both he & john terry should be punished!
22 Dec 2011, 06:46 am
Who says anyone missed anything. We dont celebrate the solstices or the equinoxes. The amount of daylight in a day does not require special commemoration. Meaning is attached to events. It is not inherent. We haven’t planned anything for the wrong day. There is nothing to stop you dancing around naked and baying at the moon if you want to any day of the year. You have no idea about what we want to do, and how, so keep your phony philosophical judgemental krapola mutterings to yourself. Happy solstice. I hope the ivy didn’t scratch your scrotum during the virgin sacrifice.
22 Dec 2011, 07:04 am
For the sad sorry posts of Dec.21 , clearly there is not a bell that rings and therefore there can be no angel with wings!
In these troubled S.African times let me give purpose and direction to the problem here and in the world of sport and that is? RACISM
INCIDENCE ‘A’
Part 1. – Suarez BANNED for RACIAL ABUSE
Part 2.- Suarez VERDICT a STAND against RACISM
Part 3. – Suarez determined to RESTORE image
INCIDENCE ‘B’
Part 1. – Chelsea’s Terry facing RACIST CHARGES.
Part 2. – Terry denies RACISM CLAIM
These are the headlines thusfar of two high-profile world football players’ RACIAL incidences.
Everyone here knows this topic in sport in general is my prime concern to educate all the many LOUTS that prevail here.
Part 2 of INCIDENCE ‘A’ avails itself well in that regard here; it is a TEACHING MOMENT supreme.
22 Dec 2011, 07:42 am
@ashampoopaloo-755: Actually the solstice is the middle of summer/winter, and the spring/autumn equinox the middle of the transtion from winter/summer, but don’t let facts get in your way.
22 Dec 2011, 07:57 am
This particular article is demanding and fairly difficult for thorough comprehension by the LOUTS in rugby. The real nuances and “niceties” is surely lost on most of them and the hidden irony and “HUMOUR” and such like are beyond them too.
Suarez VERDICT a STAND against RACISM
{{ Negro or ‘negrito’, it doesn’t really matter now. Sometimes it’s not what you say so much as how you say it, and how many times you do so and the effect it is plainly having in the hair-trigger atmosphere of a match between such ferocious rivals as Liverpool and Manchester United.
That certainly was the conclusion of the independent regulatory panel of three which on Tuesday night accepted the allegations of Patrice Evra and banned Luis Suarez for eight matches.
As they did so they swept aside the sophistry of the brilliant Uruguayan’s defence that he had done nothing worse than slip into a cultural divide, that what he said to an enraged opponent two months ago wouldn’t have raised the eyebrow of a black compatriot back home in Montevideo.
It is the kind of argument which can hold up a court for some time – as it did in this minefield of a case which represented such a huge challenge to the nerve and the working morality of the rulers of the game – but had it been accepted the chances of success in similar prosecutions in the future would have slumped to around zero.
There would have been a precedent for the niceties of one man’s understanding of what might constitute a serious offence against the pride and the dignity of another.
Instead, the judgement was that if Suarez had offended in a way that may have been more subtle than when he bit an opponent in the Dutch league – and earned the nickname of the Cannibal of Ajax – he had still crossed an unacceptable line.
The implications are heavy for anybody who, had the outcome been different on Tuesday night, might have been tempted to join in any regression to the days when racism was such a harsh reality in English football.
Certainly it creates a new level of tension for John Terry, the Chelsea and England captain who awaits the deliberations of the criminal prosecution service as they the weigh the evidence in the charge of Anton Ferdinand that he too was a victim of racial abuse.
The adjudicating panel was led by Advocate Paul Goulding but it is hard not to believe that he received powerful underpinning from his colleague Denis Smith.
A magnificent centre half for Stoke City, and a manager who knew both success and failure, Smith went into the hearing under the bizarre suggestion that an old professional connection with Sir Alex Ferguson’s son Darren might make him a less than impartial arbiter.
For anybody who knew him at all, the theory might have been etched crudely in crayon rather than twittered.
Indeed Smith’s long, injury strewn but superbly indefatigable involvement in the hard end of professional football made him eminently qualified to note the difference between nuances of language, and intention, and the realities of serious provocation and insult.
Even so the long days of deliberation suggest a near forensic examination of the claims and the counter claims. Surely, it had to be so.
That Evra once had a similar charge to the one he made against Saurez rejected, and had evidence at another hearing categorised as ‘unreliable’ no doubt emboldened Liverpool’s defence of their outstanding player.
It is also true that Tuesday night’s verdict could easily have been shrouded in inconclusive platitudes and irresolute action.
Instead, the men charged with arguably one of the trickiest decisions in the history of football discipline were unequivocal in their conclusion.
Liverpool, predictably, are indignant and later issued a powerful statement of rebuttal.
From the tone of it, it would be surprising if they do not take advantage of the two-week suspension of Suarez’s sentence which allows for an appeal.
Liverpool said the decision was extraordinary in that the issue had come down to the word of Evra against Saurez and that their player had no record of racism, pointing out his mixed-race heritage.
They also cited Evra’s comment that he did not regard Saurez as a racist.
Saurez was, the panel decided, guilty of misconduct and insulting behaviour and the use of racist language.
You could say that in another context Saurez would have been guilty of nothing more than cultural clumsiness.
The decision was, however, much more emphatic. It said that Saurez had succeeded in inflaming his opponent in a calculated and unacceptable way.
The gut instinct here is that a difficult but vital stand has been made. And, you may ask, against what precisely?
Hopefully, it is the idea that racism, however it manifests itself, is in English football indeed consigned to the past.
Suarez himself admitted it had been a tough day, writing on Twitter: “Today is a very difficult and painful day for both me and my family. Thanks for all the support, I’ll keep working.”
The commission’s ruling, which emerged just after 8pm, stated: “An Independent Regulatory Commission has today found a charge of misconduct against Luis Suarez proven, and have issued a suspension for a period of eight matches as well as fining him £40 000 (R520 000), pending appeal.
“Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1). The insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra’s colour.” – }}
a) How much of this ” Sometimes it’s not what you say so much as how you say it, and how many times you do so and the effect it is plainly having … ” is blissfully overlooked and denied and trampled upon as they merrily engage in stereotyping, sectarianism, ethnicity tinged slurs and blatant racism.
b) note the lack of Caucasian features of the victims relative to the perpetrators for it tends to delineate the flow of all these social, sick -isms , such as RACISM.
c)” the judgement was that if Suarez had offended in a way that may have been more subtle ………….. he had still crossed an unacceptable line.” How many here have the wisdom of this Advocate and his two assessors? How many times thus are the lines crossed here daily many, many times?
d) ” The implications are heavy for anybody who, …………. , might have been tempted to join in any regression to the days when racism was such a harsh reality in English football ” . Note NO going backwards will ever be tolerated, so you are wasting your time and energy.
e) ” …, pointing out his mixed-race heritage.” Note too (esp.David) the greater world out there accepts the offensiveness of British-origin racial tags and do not use them officially.
f) ” The gut instinct here is that a difficult but vital stand has been made. And, you may ask, against what precisely?
Hopefully, it is the idea that racism, however it manifests itself, is in English football indeed consigned to the past.” Clearlly only progression is acceptable and regression is confined to the trash bins of the world.
So for Patrice Evra and ‘ipso facto’ NON-RACISM, the third time is the CHARM as he has twice before lodged similar complaints. His DIGNITY is clearly of supreme importance to him.
22 Dec 2011, 08:03 am
As I have always maintained here, racism is alive annd well and especially among those who hail from the lands where the ugly social evil got its birth.
Chelsea’s Terry facing RACIST CHARGES
{{ Chelsea and England football captain John Terry will face criminal charges for racially abusing Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand.
Terry has been ordered to appear in a magistrates court on February 1 over the incident in a Premier League match in October.
Alison Saunders, Chief Crown Prosecutor for London, said: “I have today advised the Metropolitan Police Service that John Terry should be prosecuted for a racially aggravated public order offence following comments allegedly made during a Premier League football match between Queens Park Rangers and Chelsea on 23 October 2011.”
She added: “After careful consideration of all the evidence, I am satisfied there is sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction and it is in the public interest to prosecute this case.
“Mr Terry will appear before West London Magistrates Court on 1 February 2012.
“He is now summonsed with a criminal offence and has the right to a fair trial. It is extremely important that nothing should be reported which could prejudice his trial.”
After the allegation was made, Terry issued a statement saying he was “disappointed that people have leapt to the wrong conclusions about the context of what I was seen to be saying to Anton Ferdinand.
“I would never say such a thing, and I’m saddened that people would think so,” he added.
Chelsea have been steadfast in support of Terry and ahead of the CPS decision, manager Andre Villas-Boas said: “The only thing I know is that I will be fully supportive of John Terry, whatever the outcome.
“He has my full support, he has the club’s full support.
“We know exactly his human values and personality. They are never in doubt.”
The decision to press charges came a day before Chelsea, fourth in the table, travel to third-placed Tottenham for a highly anticipated London derby in which Terry is expected to play.
The CPS decision regarding Terry came a day after England’s Football Association handed Liverpool striker Luis Suarez an eight-game ban for racially abusing Manchester United’s Patrice Evra during a league match in October. }}
22 Dec 2011, 08:08 am
Terry denies RACISM CLAIM.
{{ London – Chelsea and England captain John Terry will be prosecuted for the alleged racial abuse of Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand in a Premier League match in October, British authorities said on Wednesday.
The decision comes a day after Liverpool striker Luis Suarez was banned for eight matches on Tuesday and fined 40 000 pounds by the FA for racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra during another game earlier this season.
Terry will appear in court on February 1 and could be fined up to 2 500 pounds if found guilty. That is a fraction of his weekly wage but the damage to his image could be more costly.
Police had been investigating a complaint that Terry racially abused Ferdinand during Chelsea’s 1-0 defeat by their west London rivals in October.
The complaint came after video footage of the incident was posted on the Internet.
“I am satisfied there is sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction and it is in the public interest to prosecute this case,” Alison Saunders, Chief Crown Prosecutor for London said in a statement.
“Mr Terry will appear before West London Magistrates’ Court on 1 February 2012.”
Terry has repeatedly denied making a racist comment to Ferdinand, younger brother of the England captain’s long-time international team mate Rio.
“I am disappointed with the decision to charge me and hope to be given the chance to clear my name as quickly as possible,” Terry said in a statement reported by British media.
“I have never aimed a racist remark at anyone and count people from all races and creeds among my closest friends.
“I will fight tooth and nail to prove my innocence.”
“I have campaigned against racism and believe there is no place for it in society,” he added.
Chelsea, who play at Tottenham Hotspur on Thursday, stood by their captain, a hero with the club’s fans for his loyalty and commitment, and he remains available for selection.
“John has made it clear he denies the charge and is determined to do all he can to prove his innocence,” the club said in a statement on their website.
“Chelsea FC has always been fully supportive of John in this matter and will continue to be so. The club finds all forms of discrimination abhorrent and we are proud of the work we undertake campaigning on this important issue.” – Reuters }}
And with all that for the many LOUTS to digest the rest of this day beckons and the nearby beach is extremely appealing for one who should be experiencing the cold northern hemisphere winter right now with its blizzards/white-outs, snow and/or rain.
22 Dec 2011, 08:15 am
@ET.-762:
Only one LOUT on here, I think
and its sunny and mild here in California
22 Dec 2011, 08:43 am
Well that was a borefest threadkiller.
22 Dec 2011, 08:45 am
And this …….
“So you all got your dates screwd up, because some dilly Roman decided it was around Dec 25th you gone and missed your pagan ritual festival day, you planning your bloody debauchery for the wrong day, its just gone.”
I don’t ever remember any bloody debauchery in our house at Christmas.
22 Dec 2011, 08:46 am
Come to think of it we never had any yesterday either
22 Dec 2011, 08:59 am
@Dawn-765:
Please.
Fuckadilly thinks a piece of billies and a cold one is bloody debauchery.
The bar is set very low with that one.
22 Dec 2011, 09:32 am
@mvk-613:
My ancestors she will get you. Wash out.
22 Dec 2011, 09:33 am
@Great White Shark-768:
Is it true what he says?
Really?
22 Dec 2011, 09:35 am
Apologies in advance for the long post…
But things are slow on keo… so… read… don’t… no skin off my nose either way…
Sheesh…
Feel the hatred…!
Why do posters use examples of other people’s behavior and comments to generalize and judge other people by the actions of these other people…?
We can all find examples of disgusting behavior and abhorrent actions and beliefs committed by people of every colour, creed, religion, nationality, income bracket and whatever other criteria by which people choose to group themselves and others…
It is a futile exercise to try and beat people down with such cherry-picking and doesn’t make the person regurgitating the heinous actions one iota superior to the people he’s trying to brow-beat… quite the opposite in fact… because it raises the issues of why such a person feels they have a need or right to constantly judge other people through the anonymity of a faceless blog…
Judge people for what and who they are… and what they do and say… as individuals and take issue with them one-on-one… as individual people… not as a representative of any group of people… No poster here represents anyone other than themselves on this blog… So don’t speak for anyone but yourself and don’t brow-beat anyone else in the belief you are righting any historic, cultural, racial or national wrongs and crimes… deserved or not, true or not, right or wrong… because you’re not…
Rather than proving anyone else to be inferior or a criminal or a thug… in most cases you’re only showing yourselves to be arrogant haters…
What I find really interesting is that most… if not all… of the haters are people who do not live in South Africa… most are people who once did live here but have chosen to live elsewhere and are obviously neither comfortable with their decision or in their new homelands… They are obviously not accepted in their new countries and never will be… they’ll always be uitlanders… belonging nowhere… being accepted nowhere… and not being relevant or respected in their new homelands…
They still see South Africa as it was when they left… they are stuck in a timewarp…
While we in South Africa have moved along, not always forwards, but together for better or worse… WE are affected by and have to live with the current happenings here… So why are the loudest shouters those who chose to emigrate…?
It seems they have to justify their choice to everyone and mostly themselves because deep down they know they’ll never truly be accepted where they are now.
It seems they come onto keo and post offensive comments to force people to take notice of them and to give their lives some sort of relevance… even if only in a virtual space… because they are not noticed or taken seriously where they live. They certainly seem to spend more time on Keo than the average resident South African.
My advice to all my South African brothers and sisters is… simply ignore these haters… Haters will hate… if they can’t find anything to hate they will manufacture something to hate…
We know who and what we are… we know we’re far from perfect and have our problems… but we are also far from the evil mindless imbeciles that some of the ex-pat saffas, kiwi and aussie posters try to make out we are… We don’t have to be defensive at all… We live the reality in South Africa… and we’re more comfortable… and IMO we’re a lot more honest… with each other… than most other people are in most other countries…
Let them post what they will… and let’s all just ignore them… don’t respond to their comments bad or good… because often the good comments are just to draw someone into a hate-filled fight…
Of course these same people will all flame me and my comments and they’re welcome to… but I will take my own advice and simply ignore them…
Enjoy the holiday season in whatever way you do… Use the time to share with loved ones and friends and make meaningful memories… forget bucks in the bank… the true wealth of every person is measured by the number of wonderful, loving memories created and shared with the special people in their lives…
Again… apologies for the long post… hopefully gunther with forgive me…
See y’all next year…
Go Stormers…!!!
I’ve gotta feeling that next year’s gonna be a good year
?That next year’s gonna be a good year
?That next year’s gonna be a good good year!!
??I’ve gotta feeling…
Woohoo
22 Dec 2011, 09:41 am
@Dawn-769:
My ancestors will get you too. Zuma says it’s true.
22 Dec 2011, 09:43 am
@Upho-770: Amen Brother.
Kindred Spirits we are.
22 Dec 2011, 09:44 am
@stormersboy-772:
i’m honoured…
22 Dec 2011, 09:51 am
@Great White Shark-771:
You don’t scare me.
Show me the guns.
22 Dec 2011, 09:51 am
going on 800 posts of which about 750 don’t even refer to the article?
so the bloggers don’t actually care what these “journalists” write anyway?
just shows, it’s us lot that run this site.
22 Dec 2011, 09:51 am
@Upho-773:
Thanks Upho
Well said, all the best to you and yours too.
22 Dec 2011, 09:53 am
@Dawn-776:
thanks dawn…
and you and yours too!
22 Dec 2011, 09:54 am
all this current blah blah about racism in english football makes me laugh.
so if one player calls another player “a (insert colour) barsteward”……
that player must be banned for 6 months or whatever….
but break another player’s leg and it’s hardly an issue.
sticks and stones…….?
22 Dec 2011, 09:58 am
@Upho-770:
ag no man, you had me reaching for a box of kleenex’s for the first time in 26 years… but then you just had to go and end it on a ‘bad’ note with ‘that’…
at least i remain unshaken in my manliness… tigers dont cry…
whoooha!…
22 Dec 2011, 09:59 am
@Great White Shark-771:
Come on ….. don’t run away now!
22 Dec 2011, 10:03 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-779:
hehehe…
c’mon… we all know you’re a softy at heart…!!
22 Dec 2011, 10:07 am
cheers all…
got an intergalactic journey to make…
see y’all in 2012…!!
22 Dec 2011, 10:13 am
****.
What’s with all the long posts?
22 Dec 2011, 10:21 am
@Upho-782:
cheers
22 Dec 2011, 10:24 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther-783:
are you crying inside?…
22 Dec 2011, 10:36 am
@charo-778:
If you were black and somebody called you a ****** would that not bother you?
22 Dec 2011, 10:38 am
n igger
22 Dec 2011, 10:42 am
@NZINCHINA-786:
“african american” rappers seem to love calling each other that.
why do you get upset with “chink”?
thought you were a sheepshagger, not a chink.
8)
22 Dec 2011, 10:57 am
@charo-788:
you actually find it amusing and see no problem with what you write about other races of people, very very sad but your mates will be right along to back you up shortly and say what a great guy old Charo is, what is the definition of a great guy in SA somebody who looks down on everybody who isn’t white South African because lets be honesthere you firmly believe you’re at the top of the white tree as well thats the really funny part
22 Dec 2011, 11:22 am
@NZINCHINA-789:
get over yourself
you happily label all saffas as japies
and stereotype white saffas as murderers
sniff,sniff
22 Dec 2011, 11:38 am
I’ve never labelled white South Africans as murderers but we both know calling a SAFFA a Japie on a rugby blog is completely different to how you view other races isn’t it, it was bred into you over generations but thats no excuse.
22 Dec 2011, 11:53 am
@Dawn-780:
I’ll show you mine if I can see yours.
22 Dec 2011, 11:54 am
Herschelles’s putting on a show in Melbourne.
Entertainment personfied….
22 Dec 2011, 11:55 am
@stormer in a teacup-757: this for that stupendous twat up the top of the page watsisname in a tea cup
You dunno wtf you actually celebrating on Dec 25 do you? What is it exactly you celebrating because whatever it is you dunno wtf actually ever happened on Dec25 stupid i as stupid does, and if you dunno what it is that ever happened on your auspicious day then you’are it
22 Dec 2011, 11:56 am
The miserable and lonely appear again.
22 Dec 2011, 12:00 pm
@Upho-770: YO. good read and great to hear some positivity.
Just want to say: some of us who are living abroad have not ‘emigrated’ as such but find our(my)selves still here by circumstance and lack of strategy.
My wife and I support a family of 4, and have a big old debt in £, which I cannot just diss.
Ontop of this, my chosen trade has nothing to do with my higher education, so getting work in SA will be an issue competing as an uneducated mid 30′s white guy. To be honest, until Co-location Data Centres become big there, there won’t really be much opportunity, regardless!
I would return to SA yesterday if the opportunity arose. My wife on the other hand? she’s a bit spooked by words like ‘Rape’, Murder’, etc. especially having daughters. she’s a South African btw. But we’ll see…
That being said, I’m not unhappy here on the old Mud Island living in the Big Smoke. I love this city. I enjoy my job. My kids are in a good school. I’ve had 3 free and succesful major surgeries. I have a large circle of friends. The cherry on the top, is that if you, like me, live and breath rock and mthrfkn roll, you will not find a better place on this blue rock to go and see bands!
Any Rugby news KEO?? lol… digging the ramble folks…
22 Dec 2011, 12:13 pm
@Great White Shark-792:
You talk big.
And act small.
Walk the walk.
22 Dec 2011, 12:16 pm
@Dawn-797:
He won’t.
22 Dec 2011, 12:22 pm
@NZINCHINA-798:
Why not?
22 Dec 2011, 12:23 pm
@Gtown-796:
does braaivleis still taste the same?..
what about the sunset..?. surely it cant be like an african sunset.. can it, can it..?..
and most dangerously of all…what about the rugby..?..is it hard?..is it uncompromising?.. does it give you an electric thrill all through your body?..
sjoe! hellbells!..
i’m amazed your still alive man… be careful, you could just drop dead at any moment…
22 Dec 2011, 12:37 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-800:
With the weather in Cape Town today resembling that of Mud Island, I’m going to be sauntering off to Belthazar’s for some prime rump.
I’m just worried I won’t be able to find a space, what with all the temporary visitors who can’t be at the beach today…
22 Dec 2011, 12:44 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-800: does braaivleis still taste the same?..
[b]Yip. Saffa shops import *** Namib steak and make a mean boerie.[/b]
what about the sunset..?. surely it cant be like an african sunset.. can it, can it..?..
[b]It certainly isn’t. in fact the sky sits significantly lower to your head. That being said you get some amazing sunsets. If we could post pics here i would.[/b]
and most dangerously of all…what about the rugby..?..is it hard?..is it uncompromising?.. does it give you an electric thrill all through your body?.. [b]dude, it’s all about the superrugby, and bokke!! same same[/b]
sjoe! hellbells!..
i’m amazed your still alive man… be careful, you could just drop dead at any moment…
[b]thanks for the concern
[/b]
We’ll be in SA in March for 3 weeks. Ouma, Oupa, (my Side) and Nana and Grampa (her side) are paying for us to come out. Can’t afford tickets to SA any more… £3000 for the 4 of us…
22 Dec 2011, 12:44 pm
wow the bulls captain courageous puts out a fire, saves a dear old gran AND her six kittens in one go…
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Spies-helps-extinguish-fire-20111221
beware sa franchises…beware…
22 Dec 2011, 12:45 pm
aw cr@p, the bold code didn’t work…
22 Dec 2011, 12:47 pm
@Gtown-802: *** = t i t
22 Dec 2011, 12:57 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-803:
He should have left Port Alfred to burn.
22 Dec 2011, 12:59 pm
Happy holidays everyone, stay safe wherever you find yourself!
22 Dec 2011, 13:04 pm
@WP Till I Die-801:
well do enjoy, hope you get a table.
@Gtown-802:
ok then, sounds all good to me
do yourself a favour and download toto’s i bless the rains down in africa and play it on your mp3 as you come in to land at o.r tambo/cape town international.
try not to cry in front of the wife & kids if you do…
22 Dec 2011, 13:05 pm
@WP Till I Die-806:
lmfao
22 Dec 2011, 13:11 pm
Jinne
First time I come across a cowardly scaredy-cat Shark!
22 Dec 2011, 13:14 pm
@WP Till I Die-801:
Bloody debauchery
Is that rump steak or ladies’ prime rump
22 Dec 2011, 13:17 pm
I love the way our racial protocol expert in china stays schtum when his new buddy capo calls someone a white *****.
Clearly the silly season is in full swing.
22 Dec 2011, 13:20 pm
@NZINCHINA-791:
“it was bred into you over generations”
????????
and you call white saffas bigoted?
hahahahahahaha
if you must know, i am the son of a very liberal english immigrant.
can only imagine your miserable life in a cramped apartment in some remote town in china is the reason for all this pent up hatred
22 Dec 2011, 13:20 pm
Ah the talk of christmas lunch and food always interesting. I am braaing 2kg of fillet for Christmas. @WP Till I Die-801: Is Belthazar and Balducci connected somehow?
22 Dec 2011, 13:23 pm
@Dawn-811:
Prime rump steak.
The ladies portion.
With a glass of the house dread.
22 Dec 2011, 13:24 pm
Quake Cooper at it again!
Police have arrested a man who broke into the family home of cricketer Ed Cowan, a day after he was named as a potential opener for Australia in the first test against India at the Melbourne Cricket Ground.
Police said Thursday the man barricaded himself inside a bedroom at the home and held police at bay for more than four hours, saying he had a gun, before they stormed the home and arrested him.
There was no immediate confirmation whether Cowan, who was in Melbourne with the rest of the Australian team, still lives at the house in the suburb of Darling Point in eastern Sydney.
Police Superintendent Jason Joyce said it was a difficult situation for police because “he (the man) did make threats at the time.”
22 Dec 2011, 13:29 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-815:
Everyone is ignoring me today.
First the Great White Coward, now WPTID.
Feckers.
22 Dec 2011, 13:29 pm
@Dawn-811:
@WP Till I Die-801:
i think you should spread the christman cheer and take dawn along
@Sasuke-814:
never like fillet on a braai…too tricky cos it can dry out easliy
best you make it bloody
22 Dec 2011, 13:30 pm
always been a bit partial to a ladies rump myself…
22 Dec 2011, 13:32 pm
@Sasuke-814:
actually its got very little blood relative to other cuts i suppose so just go rare is what i mean.
22 Dec 2011, 13:36 pm
@Dawn-817:
Wptid probably has his eye on the new temp in private banking.
A quick lunch for two and he will be t-boning her fillet at the Cullinan.
22 Dec 2011, 13:36 pm
Rude!
22 Dec 2011, 13:38 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-821:
Yes. Very private banking.
Pay -by-the-hour hotel on Greenmarket Square.
Slag daai rump.
22 Dec 2011, 13:38 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-820: Yessir i will be making it rarer than a fit flyhalf at the Stormers.
22 Dec 2011, 13:39 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-821: lol
@Dawn-823: lol when last did i heard the word slag!
22 Dec 2011, 13:46 pm
@Dawn-823:
The tudor????
22 Dec 2011, 13:49 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-826:
Indeed.
Pay-by-the-hour, no questions asked.
22 Dec 2011, 13:49 pm
@Dawn-797:
Wanna see it?
22 Dec 2011, 13:50 pm
@Groot Wit Haai-828:
Big bek
22 Dec 2011, 13:54 pm
@Dawn-829:
If it goes off don’t blame me. The larger weapons can be dangerous when handled by women.
22 Dec 2011, 13:57 pm
@Groot Wit Haai-830:
Don’t keep yourself premature.
Women can handle any big weapons.
22 Dec 2011, 13:59 pm
@grant10-819:
just remember to chew properly before you swallow…
22 Dec 2011, 14:02 pm
@Sasuke-824:
that is rare
i like it
22 Dec 2011, 14:05 pm
“slag daai rump”
fok!
nou’s ek honger…
22 Dec 2011, 14:06 pm
@Dawn-831:
I like a woman that isn’t afraid of bigger weapons.
22 Dec 2011, 14:10 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-834: Me too.
22 Dec 2011, 14:12 pm
just cant get my head around craig… i really cant…:
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Joubert-reflects-on-RWC-final-20111221
22 Dec 2011, 14:21 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-837: Those marginal decisions helped the All Blacks in the last 10 mins.
22 Dec 2011, 14:22 pm
poppa if you’re out there (alive i hope) and do sneak a peak every so often then ithis is for you:
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Few-RWC-gains-for-NZ-businesses-20111221
clock this down to it being the ‘best world cup ever’..no?
22 Dec 2011, 14:25 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-839: I am sure it did benefit them some way or another….they are just too dumb to see a blessing right infront of them.
22 Dec 2011, 14:30 pm
@Sasuke-836:
hehehe
@Sasuke-838:
“marginal decisions”… you’re too kind sir…
22 Dec 2011, 14:54 pm
@WP Till I Die-806: Oi. Watchit…
22 Dec 2011, 15:07 pm
Just made home made hamburgers for the family. Grilled with some Jimmy’s sauce.
Great stuff!
I feel a nap coming on……
22 Dec 2011, 15:16 pm
@stormersboy-843: Sounds great!
22 Dec 2011, 15:39 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-839:
It was a great world cup, what the whole world already knew became official.
22 Dec 2011, 15:50 pm
@794 Fuckadilly. Who mentioned December 25? Not me numbnuts. If there was ever a blogger who pretended to know so much about what everyone else knows, but actually knows fukkall himself it is you. Stupid is as stupid does all right and you just keep on doing it. Happy Solstice Boxing day. A poultice made of St Johns Wort and old Joan Baez records should see that scrotum swelling come down in time for Aztec New Year.
22 Dec 2011, 15:54 pm
a 3g signal for the first time ever, and this place is like a cemetary
22 Dec 2011, 16:03 pm
Eish you Cape town people and directions, how do you manage to get lost on a straight road 8km from my house
22 Dec 2011, 16:10 pm
@NZINCHINA-845:
look, chain yanking aside, it was a great wc no doubt and well done to nz for hosting it. whether it was the ‘best ever’ is an all together other story though and pretty much open to discussion.
22 Dec 2011, 16:10 pm
@Treehugger-848: There’s no mountain for reference. It’s like going to JHB. Bloody nightmare!
Maybe they heard you were making your favourite veg stew
22 Dec 2011, 16:24 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-849:
agreed, most people who visited had a good rugby experience so a job well done for a small country
22 Dec 2011, 16:34 pm
@NZINCHINA-851:
yes absolutely, but this is excluding the controversies surrounding thr refereeing of course, just to be clear. i am sorry to say it but that wont go away and will always be remembered.
22 Dec 2011, 16:38 pm
@NZINCHINA-851:
which is unfortunate because i trully believe nz could have won this wc either way.
and what better way to win a wc than to win it very, very fairly or even better yet to win it even with decisions going against you.
in that regard i guess the english can cherish their win as there were a few calls that went against them imo, considering they pretty much had a dominant pack.
22 Dec 2011, 16:41 pm
c’est la vie, i suppose… c’est la vie…
22 Dec 2011, 17:00 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-853:
yip pretty much the same as 95″ I suppose when you played France or when Barsney took us out of the tournament in 07, s hit happens but what I find amusing though is that in 2007′ we beat you twice once in Durban but there is absolutley no way the Ab’s would have beaten SA in WC 07′ yet in 2011 the Bokke would have beaten the Ab’s and gone on to win the final thats after losing to Australia twice already this year, am I missing something?
22 Dec 2011, 17:23 pm
@NZINCHINA-855:
how were the french cheated in 95?
who said the ab’s wouldn’t have beaten the boks in wc 07?
who said we wouldv’e beaten you or gone on to win the final in wc 11?
now you’re just assuming things and doing that reflexive one-eye’d kiwi thing, friend.
we played what was in front of us in 07 (whether those teams got there fairly or not is immaterial) and won it very, very fairly and squarely. granted it would have been better to win it against quality opposition but it was won fairly all the same.
we brought a helluva game and by rights should have (because we did) win that game in 11 and thats all that counts in one off knockouts (any earlier games won or lost counts for nought).
the french brought a helluva game and by rights should have (honestly, what do you thing) won that game (tell me they didn’t?)
again, thats all that counts in one off knockout games (any and all earlier games won or lost counts for nought).
are you missing something..?…
22 Dec 2011, 17:25 pm
as i said earlier… c’est la vie… c’est la vie…
22 Dec 2011, 17:26 pm
anyway i have to go but will log on later, feel free to respond as you see fit.
cheers
22 Dec 2011, 17:35 pm
it’s a well known fact that the french crossed the try-line in the monsoon like rains in 1995 but due to the fact that the irb wanted to appease nelson mandela there was just noways that any ref would have given that try to the french.
22 Dec 2011, 17:41 pm
@mvk-859: Oh, but this isn’t American football, crossing the line does not imply a try was scored.
22 Dec 2011, 17:46 pm
@Sasori-860: no,but it was as clear as daylight that french momentum took them over the tryline.
22 Dec 2011, 17:50 pm
@mvk-861: Was it clear that the try was scored?
22 Dec 2011, 17:56 pm
@Sasori-862: when the french players enthusiastically pointed out to the ref that the try was scored he mysteriously decided to look the other way…..i guess he also could have been the recipient of a gold watch and couple of leather jackets from louis luyt after the wc final. : D
22 Dec 2011, 18:02 pm
@mvk-863: Ah, so that’s a no then….first rule of being a ref; don’t believe anything a player tells you..Especially if your reffing a soccer game
22 Dec 2011, 18:02 pm
Whateverrrrr
22 Dec 2011, 18:10 pm
Sup Dawn, Happy Holidays to you young miss
22 Dec 2011, 18:11 pm
@Dawn-865: howdy old cow.
22 Dec 2011, 18:14 pm
No holidays for me, but will make what time off I have happy!
22 Dec 2011, 18:17 pm
@Dawn-868: Bummer. I’m only getting a few days off over xmas and new years, then taking a 2 week break in Jan
; man I cant wait…
22 Dec 2011, 18:17 pm
Young miss? Old cow?
Make up your minds.
Oops mvk has no mind.
22 Dec 2011, 18:17 pm
@Dawn-868: how can you have holidays when cape town is overrun by tourists and scruffy-looking gautengers at this time of the year?
good decision to leave it for the quiter months ahead.
22 Dec 2011, 18:23 pm
The S.A. latest on the TERRY SCANDAL and I sincerely hope he sings the perish song :
England captain in ‘battle of his life’
{{ London -England football captain John Terry faces the “battle of his life” after prosecutors said he would face criminal charges over claims he racially abused QPR defender Anton Ferdinand, Britain’s press said on Thursday.
The announcement, which came a day after Liverpool striker Luis Suarez received an eight match ban for racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra, proves, that British football is taking a lead in dealing with racism, Fleet Street said.
“In the age of the celebrity footballer, few players have commanded more coverage… than John Terry,” said the Independent’s Sam Wallace.
“But the charges laid against him yesterday by the Crown Prosecution Service represent the battle of his life.”
Terry was ordered to appear in a magistrates court on February 01, 2012 over the incident during a Premier League match in October.
On Wednesday Alison Saunders, Chief Crown Prosecutor for London, said: “I have today advised the Metropolitan Police Service that John Terry should be prosecuted for a racially aggravated public order offence following comments allegedly made during a Premier League football match between Queens Park Rangers and Chelsea on 23 October 2011.”
She added: “After careful consideration of all the evidence, I am satisfied there is sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction and it is in the public interest to prosecute this case.”
Terry, reacting to the charge, said in a statement: “I am disappointed with the decision to charge me and hope to be given the chance to clear my name as quickly as possible.
“I have never aimed a racist remark at anyone and count people from all races and creeds among my friends,” added the 31-year-old, who has spent his entire professional career with London club Chelsea.
“I will fight tooth and nail to prove my innocence. I have campaigned against racism and believe there is no place for it in society.”
If found guilty, the maximum punishment the courts can impose for this offence is a fine of £2 500.
But the implications of a guilty verdict would be far more severe for Terry who, in that event, would almost certainly lose the England captaincy and could even spell the end of his international career.
All British newspapers were in agreement that Terry would never captain England again if found guilty, and Wallace also suggested it would dash his long-term dream of managing Chelsea, his domestic club.
Popular tabloid The Sun said the ruling was a “nightmare” for the Football Association (FA), particularly if the matter is adjourned when Terry appears in court on February 01, four weeks before England play the Netherlands in a friendly match.
In that event, the paper’s chief football writer Shaun Custis called on Terry to “do the decent thing and step aside”.
“There need be no presumption of guilt,” he added. “It would simply be best for the national game.”
The Times editorial said the action taken over Terry and Suarez had sent “a very clear message that racism where proven will not be tolerated in British football”.
“Certainly compared with the appalling treatment that black players often receive in Italy and some of the Eastern European countries, England is a civilised place to play,” it added.
The Guardian also ran a positive editorial, arguing that the attention given to the two cases showed how far the game had come but that Liverpool and Chelsea should have been more cautious in lending their blanket support to the two players.
“Absolutely no one believes that racism is a more common scourge in English football today than it was a generation ago,” it said.
“English football has worked hard to combat racism. But all that good work can be undone by one shortsighted act,” it added.
“Neither Liverpool nor Chelsea are therefore right to say that they will support their players, whatever the outcome.”
The two incidents also highlighted the “complex and contradictory history of racism in English football”, Times chief sports writer Simon Barnes argued.
Throughout their history, English football grounds have been “breeding grounds for pestilence” and “places where racial hatred could be hymned to the skies without restraint or rebuke,” he wrote.
However, at the same time the game helped lower racial tensions across the whole country and created taboos which were later adopted in all walks of society, he added.
“Racial insults were once routine: now they’re so shocking that the England captain must go to court.” – Sapa-AFP }}
NOTE WELL the very last sentence and it is worth restating here for all you LOUTS:
“RACIAL INSULTS WERE ONCE ROUTINE: NOW THEY’RE SO SHOCKING THAT THE ENGLAND CAPTAIN MUST GO TO COURT.”
Much more and worse is to be found on Sky sports’ news.
22 Dec 2011, 18:28 pm
Ugh, its ET, flee everyone
22 Dec 2011, 18:28 pm
So ET, does that stand for Eugene Terblanche, he a hero of yours?
22 Dec 2011, 18:33 pm
@Sasori-862:
All the experts I have read, using present technology, unequivocally say that the superb loose forward Abdelatif Benazzi scoored a perfect try as the ball was over the try-line and not in front of it.
When I saw it live at the time I said to my friend from Holland that “the try was good but this is the Springboks playing in JHB., on home soil, in their first WC and they need to be in the Final, so expect anything and everything to negate that French semi-final winning try.”
Not knowing rugby he looked at me astounded.
22 Dec 2011, 18:37 pm
@Sasori-874:
If your interpretation explains my supreme interest in NON-RACIALISM and the sad genuine lack of it particularly in S.A. Rugby, then who am I to deny you your misguided pleasure so late in this year?
Enjoy your stupid rant.
22 Dec 2011, 18:40 pm
@ET.-875: great post.saso is in denial and would never admit to the fact that that game in durban was the most rigged ever.
22 Dec 2011, 18:42 pm
Oops
22 Dec 2011, 18:49 pm
@mvk-859:
Sush a reseest. You are saying that Mandela is a stoopid.
22 Dec 2011, 19:02 pm
@ET.-875:
“When I saw it live at the time I said to my friend from Holland that “the try was good but this is the Springboks playing in JHB”
And I thought that game was played in Durban. I hope your Dutch friend pointed this out to you, at the time.
22 Dec 2011, 19:04 pm
@mvk-877:
That whole first S.A. WC was rigged from start to end for reasons of money and for reasons of rugby status for the so-called “top-tier” rugby nations.
22 Dec 2011, 19:07 pm
Foresee a brawl I do.
22 Dec 2011, 19:12 pm
@David-880:
Are you such a dumb Englishman not to realise that JHB refers to the ‘Boks playing the Final there days after? The semi was minutes from the refs’ final whistle.
I knew it and so too did my friend on whose tv I was watched that semi and the final days later.
Desperado try again sometime other. Your time is short.
22 Dec 2011, 19:13 pm
That “oops” should also be for the realization that not all make the REAL inner circle. Some are just usable branches.
22 Dec 2011, 19:14 pm
@ET.-881: the window-dressing of chester williams before and during that wc still leaves a bitter taste as well.
22 Dec 2011, 19:16 pm
Usable branches?
22 Dec 2011, 19:22 pm
@ET.-883:
Good try, but your post doesn’t read that way. However, I’ll forgive you, as I assume english isn’t your mother tongue.
22 Dec 2011, 19:23 pm
@Dawn-886: i think a street corner is calling your name….make yourself useful.
22 Dec 2011, 19:25 pm
Too cryptic for the challenged?
22 Dec 2011, 19:26 pm
@mvk-885:
There will come a time in the future when many beans will out as Gibbs has hinted already.
22 Dec 2011, 19:27 pm
@David-887: claiming language superiority now?….what a fekkin english plonker!
22 Dec 2011, 19:32 pm
@mvk-885:
Chester was the finest wing in the country, perceived window dressing or not.
@mvk-891:
ET deserves it, it’s his favourite ploy.
22 Dec 2011, 19:36 pm
it’s a well known fact that chester was never welcomed in that team. nearly 90 percent of players,mostly from the north,detested his presence in that team.the afrikaner north preferred pieter hendriks.despite this and their attitude towards blacks playing rugby at the highest level they decided to make chester the poster boy of that wc and the face of south african rugby to serve their own devious purposes.the aim was to fool the world and the rugby playing world that south african rugby had turned the corner regarding black participation in rugby.fast-forward to 2011 and 2 black players started most games…..they have fooled nobody!!
22 Dec 2011, 19:36 pm
@David-887:
Still being just dumb?
Have you noted that those are my quoted words from 1995 in a conversation between two people. in his lounge and he and I knew that that semi, and who won , determined who played in JHB. days later?
In elk geval gaan K A K.
Wat weet, eintlik, ‘n persoon wat nie eens ‘n ware Suid Afrikaner is nie?
Terry het seker meer lus vir jou gesprek.
Ek het meer dringende dinge om te doen. Hoop jy verstaan.
Totsiens!
22 Dec 2011, 19:43 pm
@ET.-894: oh no ,not another hg?what’s up with these foreigners trying to be more saffa than the the locals themselves.terry sounds just about right as the people he would hang out with.
22 Dec 2011, 19:43 pm
One gone one to go.
22 Dec 2011, 19:45 pm
@Dawn-896: not on that street corner yet?
22 Dec 2011, 19:49 pm
@ET.-894:
No, not dumb, just taking your comment as written.
@mvk-893:
I agree that there is, and was, a racist element to Springbok team dynamics. I don’t believe, however, that it was an attempt to deny players of colour access to Bok rugby, but a belief that they don’t understand the team culture.
It’s something I’ve fought against here, for years.
22 Dec 2011, 19:54 pm
850@Stormersboy…all they had 2 do was drive from the airport, they were here last xmas and i give perfect directions…
after the freeway follow straight road for 8km then then turn right into dirt road district no blahblah.
Havent done a veg stew lol, but i bet u imagine a group of veggies chucked into a pot and left to boil…yuk, you would make a bad vegetarian chef.
22 Dec 2011, 20:00 pm
@Treehugger-899:
That makes perfect sense to another woman, I suspect. Short and succinct. The problem might be which right, mens or womens?
22 Dec 2011, 20:00 pm
@David-898: what about the ‘two black wingers’ syndrome still steadfastly being adhered to by 99 percent of saffa provincial teams?does white rugby playing south africa really wants to change or do they see mandela’s plea to the irb back then to unban them as hitting the jackpot….and refusing to share with the rest?
22 Dec 2011, 20:26 pm
900@…David lolololol that was funny, u men r useless navigators.
22 Dec 2011, 20:34 pm
@mvk-901:
The problem is that SA rugby is living in the past. The game is based on perceived “traditional” South African strengths and values which tends to preclude a lot of the different talents brought by black players.
Anyway, I could go on about this for a while, but dinner calls.
22 Dec 2011, 20:36 pm
@Treehugger-902:
No, we just find it difficult to follow orders.
22 Dec 2011, 20:41 pm
904…you on fire lol, and never a truer word spoken.
22 Dec 2011, 20:59 pm
Lol…It’s too easy to rile these Trolls up
22 Dec 2011, 21:04 pm
@David-904: @Treehugger-905: Men do hate the old line “were lost, just ask for directions”. When I’m told that I just can’t help but get stubborn…and then proceed to get more lost then before
22 Dec 2011, 21:09 pm
@David-903:
Did you see Herschelle’s innings today in the Aussie domestic 20/20. He was on fire.
Scored a 50 odd off 36 balls facing Shaun Tate bowling 150 plus.
22 Dec 2011, 21:11 pm
@David-903: Indeed. I’m still amazed that Cecil Africa has not been given a shot at higher honours. I’d love to see him run out for my beloved Cheetahs
Ebersohn and Cecil running at any defense is a daunting prospect when they are on form.
22 Dec 2011, 21:13 pm
@Sasori-907:
We’re not lost, just reorientating ourselves.
@Jeraldjay-908:
I reckon he still might have a future with the Proteas.
22 Dec 2011, 21:18 pm
@David-910: Gary Kirsten sticking with Boucher, might as well bring Gibbs into the 20/20 setup.
This Aussie sabbatical will do wonders for Herschelle’s game.
22 Dec 2011, 21:38 pm
@Jeraldjay-911:
I agree. I reckon Garys time in India has taught him a lot about talent. Have you noticed the change in Kallis? He’s far more aggressive and exhibiting the flair that excited me when I first saw him and I suspect that Gary has given him that freedom, as opposed to an anchor role.
22 Dec 2011, 21:42 pm
@Sasori-909:
Yup, he’d be a natural 15 or even 10. Apparently his 7s position is equal to a 10 or sweeper, rather than the winger that most class him as,
22 Dec 2011, 21:51 pm
@David-912: A Kallis with the attitude of a Gibbs would just be demonic, I would not want to bowl to that.
The only thing with Cecil is he is really small and his channel would be targeted if played at 10.This potential weakness would be minimized at wing, but depending on his skill under the highball, positioning ability I would think his best use would be at 15.
Unfortunately we don’t create enough space in South African professional rugby to really utilize a guy like Cecil. But perhaps at either the Lions or Cheetahs he could be devastating at Super rugby level.
22 Dec 2011, 21:58 pm
@David-912:
I’m I bit concerned whether Gary can rid the Proteas of the choker label especially in one day cricket. He had no baggage going into the Indian position.
We all know the like Bok rugby, the players in the Proteas set up makes most of the calls. Gary has played with the nucleus of the players in the current set up so will he be able to make the difficult decisions.
22 Dec 2011, 22:13 pm
@Sasori-914:
He’d be wasted at wing.
@Jeraldjay-915:
I’ve faith in Gary, especially after his India experience.
Anyway, night guys.
22 Dec 2011, 23:06 pm
Afrika would not cut it in the bigger 15 man game, he’s perfectly suited to 7′s… and if he tried to step up to 15 man rugby his talents would be negated and he’d be out of his league and exposed, he needs the space that 7′s provides, 15′s is far too tightly marked and physical for a player of Afrika’s stature.
As for this moered in the head ignoramus dunce… @stormer in a teacup-846: seems some idiots not only need re education in terms of Pagan ritualism but they also need re education in history…. what is it they simply yet to understand…??
Please enlighten exactly what it is you are about to be celebrating in 2-3 days time because I have grave concerns you amongst the couple billion other sheep who follow Roman pagan ritualism blindly do not have a foggy vague clue whatso – f’ng – ever as you about to debauch yourself in memory of who or what exactly, gorging yourself sat on some poor unsuspecting creature who you most unwittingly and insensitively cut short their life span for your fckd up human edification ? Ritualistic ignorant debauched derelict in denial dumb dunce deluxe.
23 Dec 2011, 07:23 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-856:
Anyway its all done and dusted now so we look forward to doing battle again next year, we want and expect nothing less than world rugby domination in 2012 so I have very high expectations from Hanson and his new team, I see Foxy is now an AB selector good move he’s got a superb rugby brain and will have very high standards as he did when he played, its my twins girls first Xmas this year so I have plenty of things to do so signing off for the year Merry Xmas to you and your family!
23 Dec 2011, 10:02 am
@NZINCHINA-918:
thanks nzchina, and the same to you and yours
here’s to next year for us all
cheers…
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