Leading SA’s rugby revolution
26 Dec 2011
What do Francois Hougaard, Bismarck du Plessis, Gio Aplon, Johann Sadie, Andries Bekker, Pat Lambie and Juan de Jongh all have in common?
They all have the X factor, something that sets them apart from the rest.
If the Springboks are to achieve consistent success against the world champion All Blacks over the next four years, they will have to change their conservative mindset and play an expansive game when the situation demands it.
These seven players can lead South Africa’s rugby revolution and take our game to the next level.
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Also in the new issue:
– Many junior players have failed to make the transition to senior rugby over the years because of flaws in the Baby Boks set-up, but the situation seems to be improving
– Why rugby is ripe for a global rebel league
– SA Rugby magazine reveals how Solly Tyibilika wasn’t the only black player to be mismanaged over the past four years and how South Africa has regressed with regard to transformation at the highest levels
– Saracens flyhalf Derick Hougaard on suffering from depression, the ‘soul destroying’ experience of Kamp Staaldraad, and his desire to force his way back into Bok contention
– England’s shambolic World Cup campaign left Martin Johnson with no choice but to resign
– Victor Matfield speaks to SA Rugby magazine about his post-retirement plans, why players should be treated like adults, and his second-row partnership with Bakkies Botha
– Your ultimate guide to the 2012 Super Rugby season: Everything you need to know about the 15 teams
770 Comments
26 Dec 2011, 08:14 am
We all know these players SHOULD lead the revolution, but the reality is in conservative SA it will never happen, and we will continue to languish behind the x factor players already dominating NZ and wallaby rugby
26 Dec 2011, 08:16 am
having bissie and hougaards copming off the bench was embarrassing to say the least and epitomized the way south african rugby is run like a schoolboy team….the seniors MUST PLAY first team rugby regardless of if theres a grade 10 freak on the bench
26 Dec 2011, 08:17 am
With a Mallett we will nail it with these guys.
26 Dec 2011, 08:18 am
so nice article, pretty cover, but no point getting our hopes up….more of the same lies ahead folks. the occasional win against NZ but for the most part a regular old 60% record for the boks
26 Dec 2011, 08:46 am
I know what Aplon and De Jongh have in common,,
Not sure about the rest
26 Dec 2011, 09:30 am
Can add the following to this list:X-factor
Elton Jantjes
Johan Goosen
Coenie Oosthuiyzen
Lwazi Mvovo
Frans Steyn
Ryan Kankowski
Beast Mtawarira
26 Dec 2011, 09:38 am
@mshiniwami-6:
I’m pretty sure they meant quality players with x-factors. That means no Mvovo, Kankowski for starters…
It’s a pretty broad term to use really. Would be better off using examples to back up the belief that those players have that ‘something special’ to turn a good team into a great one.
I mean if x-factor means big moments in a game, then where is Heinrich Brussow? When it matters, that guy delivers. What they’re getting at is running rugby… but rugby isn’t all about running.
26 Dec 2011, 09:45 am
I’d remove Kankowski and Beast from that list mshiniwami. They’ve had the chance to prove themselves but they’ re not up to international standard. The step up is a bridge too far for Kankowski and Beast is a liability with his illegal scrumming technique.
26 Dec 2011, 10:09 am
Bismarck du Plessis, Andries Bekker, Heinrich Brussow, Schalk Burger, Francois Hougaard, Francois Steyn, Johann Sadie, JP Pietersen & Patrick Lambie.
They’re all a class above.
Beast is a good player, but he’s no sure thing for a starting line-up. If Coenie sorts out his scrummaging (Beast is a lot better in that department… ignore ratel), he’d easily overtake Beast.
26 Dec 2011, 10:21 am
Taute
Aplon
Sadie
De Jongh
Engelbrecht
Goosen
Hougaard
Alberts
Coetsee
Minnie
Bekker
Elstadt
Oosthuizen
Du Plessis
Greyling
26 Dec 2011, 11:17 am
Hougaard had the worst defensive stats for RSA in the RWC and De Jongh cannot pass… nope no X factor there…
26 Dec 2011, 11:26 am
@bryce_in_oz-11:
Hougaard also led linebreaks for ANY player in the RWC, and scored some very useful tries.
One which got us past Wales when we looked done for…
So don’t talk **** hey
26 Dec 2011, 11:33 am
@hendrikp-12:
There was one line-break in the game that counted namely the 1/4′s and JDV… Hougaard missed 50% of his tackles in that game… not one of the bench players made an impact and the rest they say is history…
26 Dec 2011, 11:33 am
Simon,
Not sure why you guys talk about the Bulls second-row like it’s a problem area…
I mean sure, it’d be asking much to live up to what Matfield & co. achieved.
But heck… Flip vd Merwe (a Springbok), Juandre Kruger (a probably 2012 Springbok) and Wilhelm Steenkamp (with the potential to be one also) are 3 very good players that would still rate as one of the best second-rows in Super Rugby.
26 Dec 2011, 11:38 am
@bryce_in_oz-13:
I’ll just laugh it off… I was busy writing a big reply wanting to say how silly your argument is, but I’m confident 9/10 people reading it will also laugh it off.
Bryce, often you talk sense… today not.
26 Dec 2011, 11:50 am
bryce is a wally
26 Dec 2011, 11:52 am
“Swami Army” at the MCG!
How rude are these commentators!
26 Dec 2011, 11:52 am
How many Wooden Spoons does it take to make a PrickBok ?
Multiply lobotomized loser lemons by the factor of X.
26 Dec 2011, 12:09 pm
regarding derick:
a lot of the old boks in that group said they personally experienced a lot of growth from the staaldraad training camp. i dont agree with straueli as a coach but i would put my squad through exactly the same sort of training if i ever coach the boks one day. people are different and what may have been soul destroying for him was character building for the others. most of the big players said as much.
regarding vic:
victors right about treating players like adults but i hope he also mentions in the article that a healthy distance must be kept and respected between coach and players.
regarding rugby revolution and the x factor:
hello! isn’t this what heyneke’s been saying about the bulls plans and teaching individuals to play different types of rugby as a team? besides, its shouldn’t just be about x factor players.. in fact one could argue that x factor players are easy learners and its the non-x factor players who should be drilled in the required skills and mindset to be able to play different types of games, be it expansive or tight.
also dont make the mistake of throwing the baby out of the bath water in regard to tight, ten man, forwards rugby (or whatever one calls it), basically i mean the opposite of this new fangled expansive style, because consider the last world cup was won as the lowest points scoring affair of all wc’s and that, as always, it was teams that better defended than they attacked overall (this doesn’t mean they could not attack) that prevailed.
say what you want about it but sa’s rugby has still been the second most consistent world wide (total number of games against quality opposition.. i know its arguable) and we have only recently started to fall off against the ozzies, other than nz.
also the springboks are still the only team to have beaten the all blacks the most during henry’s reign and in fact have beaten them more times than the rest of the world put together, in the last four years.
26 Dec 2011, 12:12 pm
the last four years = shoulr read last eight years.
26 Dec 2011, 12:24 pm
and personally, in my opinion they have left out the single most important type of x factor player needed in their theory to make success….a new, dynamic, powerfull and well conditioned for high running meters, but still a litlle ‘vintage old school’ type number 4 lock… call him what you will… a breeker, an enforcer, hitman, the diesel in the engine room… but a guy like that is the foundation of a team no matter what rugby they play, perhaps more so in my opinion than the th.
26 Dec 2011, 12:26 pm
@mshiniwami-6:
take out mvovo and kankowski.
beast really has just blown hot and cols over his career so end up being mediocre or average (whichever works better).
26 Dec 2011, 12:52 pm
it is interesting that johan sadie is the only player listed as an x-factor player for the boks sans any experience at International level?
26 Dec 2011, 13:13 pm
@Transie, Sadie seems to be the next best thing, without having done anything consistently enough to deserve this mantle.
Don’t get me wrong, the kid has got talent, but compared to some1 like Jantjies? Whose dominated @least currie cup 2 seasons in a row.
I’ll give the lad a chance but too much pressure being put on him, IMHO
26 Dec 2011, 13:14 pm
Bekker’s best is gone. Will struggle to play through a super 15 season, nevermind a test season. Aplon is OK, but he has not really made the Bok team and he is also past his prime. De Jong is good, but if passing skills is something that let olivier down to make the step up then he will also struggle. The following players all stand a good chance to become the best in their positions:
Hougaard, lambie, f steyn, sadie, goosen, arno botha, taute, bismark, greyling, oosthuizen. I am trying to include a non white and province player so let’s say kolisi and then we got both. Oh yes, eben etzebeth is a very good talent.
26 Dec 2011, 13:14 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-19: and thank god you won’t be anytime soon!
26 Dec 2011, 13:16 pm
@Horings-25: you have included a lot of non black players in there…..
26 Dec 2011, 13:24 pm
Can we all@least agree in principle to never name Kankowski again when x factor players are bing discussed?
Thank you
26 Dec 2011, 13:28 pm
Dont know bout JdJ so much and x factor.
26 Dec 2011, 13:39 pm
@Horings-25: you list a kak non-black like greyling as an x-factor player and then you play race issues when you have to include kolisi
26 Dec 2011, 13:40 pm
@XV,seriously,that’s all you took from Horings list?
26 Dec 2011, 13:48 pm
@30 maybe it is because I know the Bulls youngsters better than other youngsters in the country. And yes, Greyling may have struggled in 2 tests as a prop against some of the world’s best, but he was probably the Bulls best players in his first super season and I have never said x factor. It is non measurable. You need 5 or so world class players to be a very good test team and I am looking for those players who have the talent to become a world class player in 4 year’s time.
26 Dec 2011, 13:52 pm
So treehugger, which is your list of x factor players considering you want JdJ off that list?
26 Dec 2011, 13:53 pm
Another player who impressed me immensely is the young loosehead prop from the Cheetahs. Can’t remember his name now.
26 Dec 2011, 13:58 pm
@Horings-32: revisit your list of players and you will see “goosen, lambie, taute” they are NOT bulls players, you seem to rate them ostensibly for their talents & not their skin colour but kolisi only makes your cut because you’re “trying” to include a player of colour, not because of his skills. pffft
26 Dec 2011, 13:59 pm
“What do Francois Hougaard, Bismarck du Plessis, Gio Aplon, Johann Sadie, Andries Bekker, Pat Lambie and Juan de Jongh all have in common.”
Do I really need to spell it out Simone.
26 Dec 2011, 14:05 pm
Actually, horings list is actually a joke containing untested names of his list of ‘talented’ players.
This thread is about x-factor players who will allow the Boks to play expansively.
One name missing from this list is definitely Elton Jantjies, he’s really blossomed under the tuetalage of King Carlos!
26 Dec 2011, 14:09 pm
If I was selected to coach the Boks this would be my first 30 Man squad I would try and work with towards the next World Cup…..
15. Riaan Viljoen / Jaco Taute.
14. Gio Aplon / J.P. Pieterson.
13. Jacque Fourie / Johan Sadie.
12. Francois Steyn / Juan De Jongh.
11. Lionel Mapoe / Bryan Habana.
10. Patrick Lambie / Johan Goosen.
9. Francois Hougaard / Sarel Pretorious.
8. Pierre Spies / Willem Alberts.
7. Schalk Burger (c) / Juan Smith.
6. Heinrich Brussow / Derrick Minnie.
5. Andries Bekker / Juandre Kruger.
4. Bakkies Botha / Rynhardt Elstadt.
3. C.J. Van Der Linde / Jannie Du Plessis.
2. Bismark Du Plessis / Andriaan Strauss.
1. Coenie Oosthuizen / Dean Greyling.
26 Dec 2011, 14:16 pm
@37 Did I mention the lack of measurability of x-factor? How do you define it? If it is to be effective in a running game the you need better creators than de jong.
@35 I am sorry, I try to include some of all teams, genders and colours. I just don’t rate the next generation of coloured and province players out there. There was a time when wilton pietersen, habana, jp pietersen, guthro steenkamp, ralepele, lobberts, mapoe really convinced me to back them as the next generation, but at this stage they don’t spring to mind.
26 Dec 2011, 14:20 pm
Sadie is going to have to do a hell of a lot to live up to the expectations of the Media that’s for sure.
26 Dec 2011, 14:30 pm
We’re running a bit short on quality in the Wing department I think. I’d like to see some youngsters put their hands up this S15. Habs is just about done and Pieterson is losing his potency at an alarming rate. Aplon will be hitting the big 30 shortly too and his game is heavily dependant on pace.
26 Dec 2011, 14:32 pm
@horings, in your defence you said your next generation that can make the step up.
However, your fault was in saying ‘for the sake of including a non-white player’…like wtf?
A players opinion I really respect was Rob Ebherson’s. He said his issue@ Cheetahs was tht okes like JdJ were developing faster than him cos he’s under tuetalage of JdV and JF!
So I think I’ll rather take his opionion over yours about whether JdJ should be included in this list of x-factor players or not!
26 Dec 2011, 14:43 pm
@42 it is not that I do not like jdj. Where I would have included him in my list last year, he has shown this past year that he is pretty much 1 dimensional. Some in my list will be worse than de jong and some even better than I think. Can some of you tell me which Province players we should watch out for to emerge in the next few years? They have some good young props, etsebeth, kolisi. I liked what I saw in v aswegen.
26 Dec 2011, 14:47 pm
33 @ I Dont know if we really have any players with the x factor like Dan Carter has, how do u define it. Somebody that makes a big difference ? I think maybe the closest we would come would be Frans Steyn, and thats a y factor not always x. Aplon i have always liked, he has something special, only problen he is sadly to small, if he wasnt playing against mostly orcs that can run over him if he doesnt he the tackle just right i would rate him the x factor
26 Dec 2011, 14:51 pm
In saying that we hv a lot of good players and by saying a person doesnt hv the x factor is not an insult, i just think it is a term that is dished out to liberaly.
26 Dec 2011, 14:53 pm
@Papoose-42:
Just because Ebersohn said that, it doesn’t necessarily mean JdJ is developing faster
Anybody with a half eyesight could see that JdJ has actually regressed in 2011 compared to 2010 and that the inevitable self preservation took over of his game, he missed/faked almost 80% of his tackles last season while passing is something he can’t even spell.
A full complement for Aplon
26 Dec 2011, 15:10 pm
@Hondo-46: 80% of his tackles? kak talk put down the ale hondo
26 Dec 2011, 15:26 pm
@Transformation-23:
are you saying more simillar players should have been mentioned? such as some of the lions?
@Transformation-47:
that is such a ridiculous percentage its beyond ridiculous. can it even happen? i suppose if a player only gets enough game time to make 5 tackles all season and misses 4..?..
still ridiculous, must be something stronger than ale…
26 Dec 2011, 15:30 pm
@Horings-43: “pretty one dimensional”? hhmm how much game time has he had this season playing behind jdv?
everyone is socsadie befok & conviniently his missed tackles stats get ignored.
26 Dec 2011, 15:31 pm
@XV-26:
why? would it be a bad thing?
the english trained with the royal marines during woodwards time as well as ashtons.
i have read of all blacks, at least at junior level, receiving training from ex-army officers.
if we searched for it i’m sure we could find examples of more countries doing similar things.
26 Dec 2011, 16:13 pm
Lambie, Bekker, de Jongh and sadie have done noting of note. The three aforementioned players having flopped badly at test level. Bekker in particular has failed in every test, de Jongh badly exposed in every meaningful test. The jury is still out on Lambie, a ten he sure as hell isn’t. A couple of shaky showings at 15 this year too. Aplon our most stable and reliable 15, Bismarck the successor by default. Other then that nothing much, certainly nothing amounting to a revolution. But what can you expect from Keo? More slosh dished up as journalism.
26 Dec 2011, 16:25 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-48: not at all. just an observation as to how immediately after heyneke meyer said he rates sadie even so-called experienced journo like keo suddenly jumped on the bandwagon and sadie was to be included in the world cup squad now he is the future of the boks.
26 Dec 2011, 16:41 pm
@Hondo-46: thanks for the stats Hondo.
funny thing is i read somewhere that 76% of all stats are made up
26 Dec 2011, 16:44 pm
@Horings-43: look, name me any player whose game improved with less game time in the year?
we are talking TALENT here, not form.
in 2010 JdJ and JF were deadly, but especially JdJ because that was the centre pairing and thats where he displayed his talent. same way Sadie displayed his talent in the few games he played in S15 this year, Currie Cup he was good without setting it alight.
You cant deny however that the only game for Boks JdJ didnt provide x-factor at WC was against Oz, but neither did Hougaard bring his A game.
JDJ’s time is 2012
26 Dec 2011, 16:58 pm
@Transformation-52:
ok.
for the person inside i hope things go well for him. it must be a awful thing to deal with the mental/psychological effects of not living up to massive expectations early on.
koster comes to mind but there are many.
26 Dec 2011, 17:02 pm
well sticking to the actual thread whih is about players with x-factor (subjective as it may be) that can allow the Boks to play more expansively to challenge the All Blacks:
Pat Lambie
Elton Jantjies
Andries Bekker
Willem Alberts
Heinrich Brussouw
Francois Hougaard
Juan De Jongh
Bismarck Du Plessis
Frans Steyn
IMHO i wouldnt yet put Sadie on above list as he hasnt produced regularly enough on appropriate level to warrant such
26 Dec 2011, 17:09 pm
@Yetirat-41: actually havent thought about that but you’re absolutely right.
quite short on quality wing cover.
why dont we though do like the All Blacks and put the hottest up and coming centres and fullbacks at wing first to prove themself? that way working themself into their preferred position?
like Colin Slade and Richard Kahui!
26 Dec 2011, 17:12 pm
Simon. I will not buy this issue cause you are writing kak …. AGAIN.
Aplon is the x factor for the future … ffs he is already 30, any back older than 28 is a has-been, fact!
Why is that non-passer de Jong there. Forget him and forget that about that camel, Bekker.
Why the hell is Lambie there, mr. slow coach “I’m not gonna play flyhalf next season” is not anywhere near the best fullback around.
And I’ve done nothing Sadie ahead of real players with x factor, such as Goosen and EJ … really.
Boys boycott that crappy issue and rather spend that 25 bucks on a beer.
26 Dec 2011, 17:21 pm
Maak al die Leeutjies Bokke
26 Dec 2011, 17:24 pm
some of us are showing the airs and graces of the all blacks these days… thinking they are automatically owed the world.. hehehe loving it…
cannot wait for the reality check for the ab’s and ‘some of us’…
26 Dec 2011, 17:39 pm
The way Clive Woodward utilised the British Marines and what ol’ Straeuli did were very very different. Straeuli’s idiocy has been correctly derided by the vast majority of the players involved; it was barbaric and utterly unprofessional.
26 Dec 2011, 17:50 pm
@Michael-59: you are indeed a great thinker.
@Michael-61: Keo still had nightmares watching Bakkies break an egg on Matfield’s head, Eish.
26 Dec 2011, 17:56 pm
@Alucard-51:
Because you know nothing about rugby and the players in question, rather don’t say anything because that way it will take longer for people to recognise how stupid you are.
Laughable.
26 Dec 2011, 18:05 pm
@Michael-61:
no, that is not true.
most of the players said they took positives from it.
there were only a few who had reall issues with it, mostly the weak ones like big joe, and hougaard
john smit said if he had to relive it he would do it again.
26 Dec 2011, 18:06 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-62: I have to entertain myself somehow while spending Boxing Day evening doing academic work.
26 Dec 2011, 18:06 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-64: Only so they would never have to go through it again. It had nothing to do with developing professional rugby skills.
26 Dec 2011, 18:09 pm
On Stall:
“All that suffering in the pit achieved nothing, in fact it had set us back,” Smit says.
Go through it again my arse.
26 Dec 2011, 18:11 pm
@Michael-61:
anyway, i think we are agreeing that such training can benefit rugby players and teams if done in a way that best maximises its utility.
26 Dec 2011, 18:13 pm
@Michael-67:
no, read his whole book. he also says in the book that he would do it again.
26 Dec 2011, 19:27 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-68: Yup and that doesn’t include military-style nonsense.
26 Dec 2011, 19:30 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-69: Not in its entirity which is the point, hence why they did this:
sport24.co.za/Rugby/Straeuli-leads-Staaldraad-II-20110401
26 Dec 2011, 19:52 pm
Doesn’t matter who you put forward as the ‘next generation’ of world beaters, the new coach will ultimately decide to have his cronies lead the pack. PDivness had his f*ckbuddies, John, Fourie and Victoria, run the show, regardless of the obvious ‘greatness’ of their replacements, Bissie, Hougaard, etc.
26 Dec 2011, 19:56 pm
@kwas-72: thats correct Fourie du Preez and John Smit along with Spies fckd the Boks chances outa sight and the fckng know it all Smitty arsecreeps still won’t see it…
26 Dec 2011, 19:59 pm
@Michael-70:
in that case we’re agreeing, mostly, as i would include aspects thereof.
of course there are many roads to the same destination.
@Michael-71:
i read the book and in it he says that if given the choice it was something he would do again (if i remember correctly). unfortunately i gave my copy away so cannot check in order to quote it verbatim.
26 Dec 2011, 20:31 pm
only deranged saffas think professional sportsmen need/have to be put through “bootcamp” style routines to achieve success
26 Dec 2011, 20:44 pm
@Papoose-53:
Number are from my own notes taken during a game or from the replays
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-58:
Hear, hear,,
Spot on!
26 Dec 2011, 20:47 pm
Every year brings along new names
26 Dec 2011, 21:19 pm
@Hondo-76: moron, couldnt even interpret the sarcasm dripping from my commentary
seriously
26 Dec 2011, 21:28 pm
@Transformation-75:
such diversity of opinion.
love south africa.
26 Dec 2011, 21:35 pm
@Hondo-76:
you are not supposed to count the replays again.
the replay is only to check if you counted correctly if the tackle was made or missed in the live play.
if you replay the same tackle four times to check you cannot count it as being missed four times..?..
i suggest you cross reference your stats with another stats collecting organisation.
26 Dec 2011, 22:10 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-74: I think we can agree that the way to use such training is ala Woodward and what the Boks did this year, and for the nonsense like boxing, ripping heads off chickens, standing naked in a pit, etc to be left in the past.
Personally, I think that is the point Smit has made too.
27 Dec 2011, 00:03 am
The other real X-factor player Sarel Pretorius will probably end up playing for the Wallabies. Such is the folly of SA rugby
27 Dec 2011, 08:45 am
they will have to change their conservative mindset and play an expansive game when the situation demands it.
I don’t know if I should just shake my head and keep quiet or laugh my *** off…
27 Dec 2011, 08:51 am
@rex-82: the folly of supporters like rex is that they comment without doing any form or research…
sarel pretorius is NOT elligible to play for the Wallabies having played for both the Sevens Blitzbokke & Emerging Boks.
them’s the fax(facts) Rex
27 Dec 2011, 09:06 am
@Michael-81:
ok look, i know we both just want the best for the boks and for them to go back to where they rightly belong…at the top, thats all.
so yes, there are subtle ways of getting the guys in a ‘staaldraad state of mind’ and i will support any coach who employs these ‘subtle’ techniques.
heyneke can do this, even mallet.
@PissAnt-83:
they looked pretty expansive against oz to me… so expansive the ref had to step in and just put a stop to that ‘outrageous’ situation…
@Transformation-84:
the ozzies would have a tongue twister pronouncing sarel’s name all the time… bet they’d give him a nickname…
27 Dec 2011, 09:25 am
so sad ….Tendulkar out 0n 73….the elusive 100th 100 still not a reality
27 Dec 2011, 10:04 am
85 You say where the Bokke rightly belong, in the last 20 years how many would you estimate the Bokke finished as the best side in the world?
27 Dec 2011, 10:19 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-85: And Smal. He knows what “total rugby” should be from his days in WP and Bok sides which played just that.
27 Dec 2011, 10:31 am
@NZINCHINA-87: We lust after the pre-isolation days of Bok rugby.
27 Dec 2011, 10:58 am
89 The Bokke had their nose in front by 3 matches head to head, overall winning % the Ab’s were still ahead against all nations, take out 76′ when the Sa ref cheated and it was pretty even.
27 Dec 2011, 10:59 am
@rex-82:
Aside from eligibility… Sarel is seen as defensively frail and arguably a tad too small by the Wallabies…
He’ll be competing with Brendon McKibbon for a bench spot behind John Hart’s nephew Grayson at the Tah’s…
27 Dec 2011, 11:24 am
@NZINCHINA-90: Well we consider ourselves to have been cheated of a few by NZ refs so even-stevens in that regard.
We were the only nation at the time of isolation to have a winning ratio against all other nations. Our sense of self-entitlement goes back to this instead of believing we have to earn the right again.
27 Dec 2011, 12:22 pm
@NZINCHINA-87:
funny you only mention the ‘last 20 years’… and we both know why.
besides, in these 20 years we still managed to beat the all blacks more times than the rest of the world combined has managed.
also, th fact that we managed to win two wc’s and were the only country other than england and nz to hold the official title rank of irb world number one…
but no sir…as you well know rubgy is about a lot more than just ‘the last 20 years’…so you would well know we were the only country to hold a positive win ration against the all blacks as well a positive win ration against the rest of the world… no sir indeed… like real madrid in football e are the grand champions of the ages and you are just a recent phenomena… the new boys… a blip…kind a like wales were… and with time you too will go the way of the welsh but springbok rugby will stand supreme…
@Michael-92:
as sure as the birds sing and the sun falls, we will earn that right again…mark my words… the springboks have done with bias before and they will do it with bias again… the cheats can cling to the little they have…
27 Dec 2011, 12:25 pm
@Michael-88:
no, i do not rate smal.
27 Dec 2011, 12:29 pm
Our franchises are coming together nicely. We need to keep the coaches in place to continue the evolution of our rugby from the ground up which is another reason why I think appointing someone from the outside like Smal as Bok coach would be the best solution. The Boks will come together as long as we can get a proper attack coach for the backline.
NZ rugby strength isn’t anything recent. We are age-old rivals. What we need to do is re-establish a winning sequence to close the win-loss ration which has grown too large.
27 Dec 2011, 12:30 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-94: 4 and a half weeks until the announcement of the next Bok coach.
27 Dec 2011, 13:02 pm
@Michael-96:
i really do, with all my heart, hope it is heyneke meyer.
or mallet
or woodward even
smal would just be a middle of the road man.. just like he was as an assistant… i just know it
27 Dec 2011, 13:08 pm
Merry merry all.
At the cr?cket. Its look?ng shaky but the beer ?s cold so thanks uncle jacob.
John sm?t for bok coach!
27 Dec 2011, 13:11 pm
W?th fdp and v?c as ***?stants.
V?va bokke!
27 Dec 2011, 13:12 pm
proteas can be so frustratingly inconsistent…..
got tickets for 1 st day of third test at newlands.
congrats to Marchant
27 Dec 2011, 13:14 pm
Stup?d blackberry p?ece of sh?t
27 Dec 2011, 13:17 pm
Lmao a s s ?stants ?s moderated.
Fuckenpathet?c.
27 Dec 2011, 13:23 pm
Sigh.
Irritability.
I’m on blackberry and it works fine!
27 Dec 2011, 13:26 pm
Who is this Marchant slab of beef?
27 Dec 2011, 13:29 pm
21 year old from titans…..hardly played 1 st class crficket and nails 7 on debut….
27 Dec 2011, 13:46 pm
Lol Dawn.
Must be me then.
27 Dec 2011, 14:29 pm
93 you’d better start winning soon then because you’re a long long way behind now
27 Dec 2011, 15:10 pm
Shocking discipline from Proteas!!!
First Morne not being able to get the basics right, now the batsmen playing loose shots and throwing away their wickets.
Send Morne to his franchise to sort this problem out. He will cost us games soon. Well done Merchant – well deserved. Philander back and Morne out. Jacques also better start scoring or he will be out soon too. Can’t see Kirsten tolerating mediocrity.
27 Dec 2011, 15:19 pm
106 for 5.
Folding like a pack of cards. Ill discipline and poor shot selection. We could follow-on too. The inconsistency is there for all to see! Eish.
27 Dec 2011, 15:21 pm
SA cricketers busy doing what they do best – choking.
Verrrry typical, Kirsten will have to work extremely hard on the soft underbelly of SA cricket.
27 Dec 2011, 15:34 pm
@wooden spoon-110:
Spot on Stirrer.
27 Dec 2011, 15:39 pm
118 for 6. Still need 21 – else we follow on. The batsmen left.
27 Dec 2011, 15:50 pm
219 runs behind our last remaining recognised batsman goes for a reversed sweep and gets out…
Senseless.
Stupid.
Prince what were you thinking?…
The follow on is looking likely. Embarrassing.
27 Dec 2011, 15:51 pm
When last did Prince make any runs? Anyone?
27 Dec 2011, 15:52 pm
@Bill Reyts-108: morne morkel is pants at the moment and should be dropped but oh no, watch him get multiple opportunities @ the top instead of going back to his franchise to get his act together.
philander, de lange making him look rubbish @ the mo.
27 Dec 2011, 15:53 pm
119 for 8. Another wicket drops.
CHCHCHCHCHCHCHCHCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKE.
27 Dec 2011, 15:54 pm
Morkel is ****. Philander and De Lange have really shown him up.
27 Dec 2011, 15:54 pm
Lol at Tahir being a number 10 batsman…
27 Dec 2011, 16:00 pm
sri lanka look to have our number again @ kingsmead…must be the curry.
27 Dec 2011, 16:01 pm
Kingsmead Curry Curse.
27 Dec 2011, 16:13 pm
@Transformation-119: @wooden spoon-120:
LOL!!! Just hope Kirsten doesn’t become like our rugby coach and keep the players who continuously fail. Morkel is the weak link in our bowling arsenal – the worst fielder and now should be batting as Jack.
27 Dec 2011, 16:15 pm
Eina! Tahir hit on his bowling hand. The SL making this pitch look like a green mamba…
27 Dec 2011, 16:16 pm
@Transformation-119:
Debben is a home ground for them, with all the local support … just like PE is home ground to the ABs with all those CapeSaders there
27 Dec 2011, 16:17 pm
@wooden spoon-114:
I think he is making more runs than Rudolph. It was a poor shot, but you can’t just blame him. Most just gave their wickets away. I think they thought they just needed to turn up for the game, something which is happening a lot lately.
27 Dec 2011, 16:19 pm
Imran gone – stumped too
27 Dec 2011, 16:20 pm
Day two the best batting day for test cricket! Really!!!!
27 Dec 2011, 16:26 pm
@Bill Reyts-124: Prince is a farken used up has-been, and has been for years. Morkel too is a has-been of note but the biggest has-been of all is Rudolph … why oh why was Peterson dropped for this useless koplak schmuck.
27 Dec 2011, 16:32 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-123: hey PE ain’t no AB home ground…Bokke have never lost to them. Newlands on the other hand
19-0 nuff said…
no wonder that plonker toby titus is b!tching..SARU knows what they’re doing…gave them the Argies test tl tl tl
27 Dec 2011, 16:34 pm
Anybody know what happened to Lukas Van Biljoen
27 Dec 2011, 16:40 pm
dale steyn making a stand…hope i don’t put the mockers on him…
27 Dec 2011, 16:40 pm
@Transformation-128: Aaaaah I forget, you moered about 169 of them CapeSaders recently during the 7′s
@Captain Jack-129: who cares, I don’t … don’t care a damn about yesterday’s heroes and today’s has-beens. Said it before and will say it again.
27 Dec 2011, 16:43 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-127:
There are a few players knocking on the door. Riley Roussouw is one, the other is Stiaan Van Zyl and then the one scoring so many runs, Morne Van Wyk.
We have been bowled out for 168 which is really poor on this pitch and the lowest ever against SL. Something like 47 all out will be needed again – and it aint going to happen. Steyn showed that the wicket was just fine.
27 Dec 2011, 16:45 pm
Why is it that their spinner can pick up 4 wickets but the local Pakkistani only 1 wicket?
Piss poor session …. I’m out rather going to the gym.
27 Dec 2011, 16:45 pm
well bowled sri lanka…now they’ve returned the favour after being blitzed for 180 all out by philander, steyn
27 Dec 2011, 16:47 pm
@Transformation-134:
For sure Transie! Over confidence and arrogance with this side really irks me at times. It is going to be 1-1 all after this test.
27 Dec 2011, 16:48 pm
Didn’t Biff say we were not going to take our foot off the pedal? Hmmm – heard that before too.
27 Dec 2011, 16:53 pm
Don’t see us coming back from this one.
We got ourselves out. Playing to balls we should have left.
Could be interesting from here though. We should have bowled them out earlier but let them off the hook.
Morkel no balls.
No brains more like.
That goes for quite a few of the batsmen too,
27 Dec 2011, 17:02 pm
@stormersboy-137:
Howzit Bud! Couldn’t have said it better.
27 Dec 2011, 17:15 pm
Cricket is all about judging each ball on its merits. And you underestimate the opposition at your peril. Everyone in the Proteas set-up is talking about adopting the killer instinct. That’s ok when you win a test in 3 days.
I know it’s early days in Gary Kisten’s tenure but we also need to see a fighting spirit starting to develop in the Proteas. You start seeing how players behave when the chips are down. Round about now would be a good place to start.
27 Dec 2011, 17:17 pm
@Bill Reyts-138: Hey Bill let’s hope that tomorrow brings a huge bowling and fielding performance from the Proteas.
Although I’m not counting on it…
27 Dec 2011, 17:27 pm
@stormersboy-140:
It’s not often you see Dale go through an innings without taking a wicket. It won’t happen again tomorrow. Marchant seems to be the man of the moment. But big performances are needed from Tahir and Morkel.
27 Dec 2011, 17:38 pm
Proteas got same fat boy syndrome as Bokke start culling from the top you quickly see this team turn around. Kallis should be first to go start with the untouchables that’s the way to fix a team that thinks they’re entitled.
Pity the f’ng Boks didn’t get the message in time, if Smit, FdP and Spies would have been dropped in time Boks would have sailed through the WC quarters.
27 Dec 2011, 18:27 pm
@IAAS-141: I was very surprised. Well done to Marchant, although I’m not all that impressed with him, he reminds me a bit of Morkel. Which sounds like an odd thing to say but ja…
27 Dec 2011, 18:30 pm
Top of the table clash in the Uk premiership starting: Quins vs Saracens
I guess any port in a storm….
27 Dec 2011, 18:55 pm
@stormersboy-144: Britz is electric with ball in hand, but first lineout he throws long, misses his jumpers, Quinns pounce and run the ball upfield, Saracens concede the penalty off the ruck and it’s 3 points to Quinns. Nick Evans does not miss much.
27 Dec 2011, 18:58 pm
Owen Farrel is 4 from 4 in this game.
Good looking player for sure.
Barrit also having a great game.
27 Dec 2011, 19:48 pm
@stormersboy-144:
82,000 Poms watching this match at the stadium … and to think some thick sharkie varkie was bragging about the 35,000 that turned up to watch the saders slaughter them… saying it was the biggest crowd outside of test matches.
27 Dec 2011, 19:53 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-147: Yes, quite a crowd.
Last week i watched the Heinecken Cup game between Leinster and Bath and that was the 2nd biggest HK turnout (44 000) I was quite surprised.
27 Dec 2011, 20:02 pm
@stormersboy-148: the Poms love their domestic competition. I read that their total weekly attendance is around 250, 000 people.
27 Dec 2011, 20:06 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-149: Given the weather these okes have it;s actually quite impressive!
27 Dec 2011, 20:16 pm
Brad Barrit man of the match. well played
27 Dec 2011, 20:17 pm
15 Jaco Taute
14 Gio Aplon
13 Juan De Jongh
12 Patrick Lambie
11 HABANA!!!!
10 Elton Jantjes
9 Francois Hougaard
8 Duane Vermeulen
7 Schalk Burger
6 Heinrich Brussouw
5 Andries Bekker (capt)
4 Jean Deysel
3 Jannie Du Plessis
2 Bismark Du Plessis
1 Tendai Mtawarira
16 Adriaan Strauss
17 CJ Van Der Linde
18 Juandre Kruger
19 Joshua Strauss
20 Sarel Pretorius
21 Peter Grant
22 Johaan Sadie
23 Chillyboy Ralepelle
24 Coenie Oosthuzyen
25 Willem Alberts
26 Derrick Minnie
27 Conrad Hoffman
28 Robert Ebersohn
29 Lwazi Mvovo
30 Gerrard Van Den Heever
27 Dec 2011, 20:21 pm
Talking about a revolution, yeah,
well you know,
we all wanna change the world.
27 Dec 2011, 20:26 pm
@Rhys7-152: when ratel gets injured who replaces him, schalk?
27 Dec 2011, 20:38 pm
@Rhys7-152: This your team for next year?
If we were to get serious I’d go with
15: Lambie
14. Aplon
13. Jaque
12. Fransie
11. Brian
10 Elton
9. Hougaard
8. Alberts
7. Schalk
6. Ratel
5. The tower of Power
4. Flip
3. Jannie
2. Bissie
1. Beast
16 Chilli
17. Duanne
18. Kruger
19. Coenie
20. Taute
21. JDJ
22. Duvenhage
27 Dec 2011, 21:47 pm
@stormersboy-155: The Tower of Power lol, Bekker ?
27 Dec 2011, 21:50 pm
@Treehugger-156: That’s the one!! See? Everyone knows what I mean
27 Dec 2011, 21:59 pm
@stormersboy-157: hahahaha no wild guess and you being a Stormer.
27 Dec 2011, 22:43 pm
Without an innovative and astute Bok coach those players might as well be playing with lead boots.
27 Dec 2011, 22:51 pm
@Groot Wit Haai-159: SARU should get Wayne Smith!
finish & klaar
28 Dec 2011, 07:19 am
barritt has one good game in a lackluster aviva premiership next thing “he should be playing for boks” when in essence he can’t crack it past the likes of shontayne hape, ricki flutey, manu tuilagi, tindall & flood.
no amount of hype will elevate him past that competition in england.
28 Dec 2011, 09:04 am
@Transformation-161: Who’s hyping him?
28 Dec 2011, 10:12 am
82000 spectators
make super 15 rather Mickey the Mouse in cpmparison
28 Dec 2011, 10:28 am
I have always rated Brad Barrit, think he was a big loss to the Sharks.
28 Dec 2011, 10:33 am
@Treehugger-164: Yes, very good player.
Not sure if he’d have made the bok team though, but certainly a loss to the Sharks.
I liked him at 10 actually.
Thought he had all the makings of a good playmaking flyhalf.
You’d need another goal kicker in the team but that’s not unusual.
28 Dec 2011, 10:43 am
Think i have only seen him play center at the Sharks.
28 Dec 2011, 10:57 am
@stormersboy-162: check keo’z tweet.
28 Dec 2011, 10:58 am
@Treehugger-166: He played 10 for them for a while too. The backline looked particularly good then IMO.
He is a centre normally though. But any good 12 should be able to slot into that flyhalf role if required, often happens in the thick of a game.
You chilling today?
28 Dec 2011, 11:09 am
@Transformation-167: Oh. Keo. Why didn’t you say so.
That changes everything
28 Dec 2011, 11:11 am
Think i have only seen him play center at the Sharks.@stormersboy-168: Thankfully yes, guests left this morning, so have my life back and then new arrivals on Friday morning, am taking strain.
28 Dec 2011, 11:17 am
@Treehugger-170: Hahaha do they know you guys are vegetarian?
I should try that on my relatives.
They’ll be out the door in no time at all.
Never to return.
Must try it sometime….
28 Dec 2011, 11:27 am
Mad the most enormous blabsy on Thursday, bought my self one of those expensive thingies you stick onto side of laptop for the internet cos the other one gave so much trouble, Put the card in and think yippeeeeeee, alas didnt work, started freaking out and on the phone with vodacom for ages trying to get it to work and thinking this is the second dud one.
Go to mall yesterday, they check it out and say it works fine, I think nono let the guy put it in my laptop and make it work, he does so and it works like a bomb. He takes the card out and i say hang on which way have you got the card in and he shows me
I had been putting the card in the wrong way, BUT… in the other thingie thats the way the card went in, I thank him very nicely and he says thats ok you very blond !!!!!!!!!!! WTF…..but had to laugh as he said it very nicely. Didnt tell the hub about that said the guys said there was some little software glitch, would never have heard the end of it from every one.
So now i get 3g and all that jazz when signal is strong.
28 Dec 2011, 11:32 am
@stormersboy-171: They braai’d everyday and wouldnt be surprised if there wasnt a bit of alcohol poisoning, made them eat outside, didnt faze them one bit as thats what they do anyway, dogs were happy lol.
28 Dec 2011, 11:33 am
@Treehugger-172: haha well now you know.
3g kicks butt when you have good signal.
28 Dec 2011, 11:40 am
@Treehugger-170:his experience @ 10 is negligible.
he played flyhalf in 2006 when butch was injured…t’was in the currie cup though he shared the duties with frans steyn.
28 Dec 2011, 11:46 am
@Treehugger-172:
eish
28 Dec 2011, 11:49 am
@Roar my Lions ?. Currie Cup Champions 2011-176: You see thats why i didnt say anything. Only female, house full of men, can you imagine
28 Dec 2011, 12:32 pm
@Treehugger-173: that’s what us men do. We braai,
28 Dec 2011, 13:45 pm
No rugby so will punt one of my causes: Sea Shepherd expects to be rammed by Japanese Whalers…..http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/316772 …….this will be one most of you are familiar with and wont freak you out. Baby steps in converting you to the cause.
28 Dec 2011, 13:57 pm
@Treehugger-179: Those okes are mal. All for a great cause though.
28 Dec 2011, 14:23 pm
@stormersboy-155: Good team but Flip doesn’t cut the mustard. He’s produced nothing of any value in a Springbok jersey. I’d sooner take my chances with Juandre Kruger.
28 Dec 2011, 14:25 pm
@stormersboy-180: Did you see the dog butchery i put up ? with the guy next to it in a cage, people are so unaware and the dogs being tied up to stand as humans and being used for target practice in Peruvian army, and the animal sexual abuser that has now got a 10 year jail sentence and has to be registered as a s*x offender in the USA, that sentence was given because of all the petitions to the court, normally it was just a slap on the wrist and a fine.
28 Dec 2011, 14:26 pm
@Yetirat-181: Yes it was a difficult one for me. Juandre is a better 5 IMO.
Maybe the ex Sharkie Mostert, but the 4 position is a bit thin in SA.
@Treehugger-182: Yes i was shocked.
29 Dec 2011, 14:33 pm
our cricker selectors need to show some teeth now….this is plain and simple unacceptable…
29 Dec 2011, 14:44 pm
this is another team on the decline…..just as boks were in 2010 and 2011….
31 Dec 2011, 09:26 am
Is this keo site working, testing testing 123……..
31 Dec 2011, 09:32 am
ok … I am experiencing a slight problem, after submitting comment I get a blank page, so then a reload and it says duplicate comment….. so i have to backspace and then reload to see comment……this could be the new usb stick modem thingie… who knows.
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE !!!!!!!!!
Please drive carefully and be safe.
31 Dec 2011, 15:16 pm
boo
So Pope Pontus orchestrated Xmas and Popes Gregory and Justin organized new year, both fictitious man made excuses to get outa sight besotted motherless
Who woulda thought all the new world lemmings woulda bought it but buy it big time they did.
So 25th Dec now represents the Lords birthday and 1st Jan is new year of ‘our Lord’ 2012
Orchestrated by who exactly, anyone got a random clear sighted cockamammie clue?
31 Dec 2011, 21:11 pm
Happy New Year everyone. Be safe.
1 Jan 2012, 00:33 am
Glory Glory Hallelulja, Glory Glory Hallelulja, Glory Glory Hallelulja, the saints go marching on.
1 Jan 2012, 09:50 am
Hahaha Happy New Year everyone!
May:
The Stormers win the Super Rugby Comp
The Boks win the Tri-Quad nations
Frans Steyn sign with WPRU
Brok finally be recognised for the great player that he is
It’s not too much to ask is it??
be safe y’all.
And lets be a little kinder to each other this year.
I will if you will.
1 Jan 2012, 10:03 am
To each his or her own, Skop.
Stop being such a fecking wet blanket.
1 Jan 2012, 10:10 am
@Dawn-192: Happy New Year Dawnie!
Hope it’s a good one.
Go well, go Shell.
1 Jan 2012, 10:14 am
Happy new year SB!
SS2 chris gayle playing 20 20 in australia.
That rasta sure follows the dollars!
1 Jan 2012, 10:18 am
The coolest man in cricket.
Wanna meet him!
1 Jan 2012, 10:19 am
Something called the Big Bash League!
1 Jan 2012, 10:20 am
Am gonna get this thread going.
Keolings too quiet.
No new year wishes no nothing!
1 Jan 2012, 10:26 am
@Dawn-194: Thanks Dawn. Watching as we speak.
He’s a very exciting player for sure!
1 Jan 2012, 10:33 am
Well. To me he just a tad more than exciting lol!
Nudge nudge wink wink
1 Jan 2012, 10:34 am
Iree aint the word!
1 Jan 2012, 10:36 am
@Dawn-199: I understand
Enjoy! Lets hope he stays in for a while!
1 Jan 2012, 10:38 am
This format is so skittish.
Don’t really like it, am a test person meself.
1 Jan 2012, 10:39 am
40 in 28 balls ok so far.
1 Jan 2012, 10:46 am
If he stays in he’ll put up a monster score. He’s a game winner for his team, not many like him.
1 Jan 2012, 10:54 am
Gale gone. Game is still on!
1 Jan 2012, 11:40 am
Gone but not forgotten!
1 Jan 2012, 15:23 pm
Happy New Year. May 2012 bring much joy, happiness and prosperity for all.
1 Jan 2012, 15:40 pm
@stormersboy-191:
you drink too much over the festive season… i hope you dont drive as well..?..
@Dawn-197:
no, theres been a problem with the site’s login, everytime i tried i got a blank screen.
1 Jan 2012, 15:57 pm
Seems like skopskyt spend Christmas and new years by herself again…
1 Jan 2012, 18:20 pm
Finally able to log on again…
Skoppy, the answer to your question is that Jan 1 as the start of a new year ultimately derives from the Romans. They held elections for new consuls on Jan 1 and Julius Caesar moved the start of his new year when he instituted his revised calendar. The date of 25 Dec as Christmas was decided upon after Pope Pontius and became offical in the reign of Constantine.
You’re the reason people should get a proper education.
Oh, Happy New Year all
1 Jan 2012, 19:07 pm
Exactly what I said
Both Xmas and New Year are two fat funk fictitious pagan excuses to get motherless out of sinc with reality
There is absolutely nothing sacrosanct or auspicious about either of these Romanticized superstitions or figments of superimposed imaginations during either of these commercially driven extravagantly extrapolated bullshit stories.
Pope Gregory and Julian designed the haphazard Roman calendars supposedly starting on Jan 1st which has no correlated relevance to any new beginning of any cycle in nature. The Earth switches its elliptical path with the Sun at the solstices on Dec. 21st or else June 21st and reaches points of equilibrium at the equinoxes on March 21st or September 21st.
If Julian or Gregory had attributed any common scientific sense toward their respective cockamammie coerced calendar designs they would have started the calendar at one of these natural points of transition which at least would tie in with Earths path around the Sun.
The other cockamammie excuse called Xmas is the biggest hoax bullshit story going having being sold by the converted pagan rulers to their new found adopted religious duped masses when converting to Christianity under Emperor Constantine when Pope Pontius perpetrated his convenient cover up of the culmination of a 4 day long pagan solstice festival and combining it with the so called birth of the long dead savior, the biggest hoax ever to be perpetuated over the past 1700 or so years.
And so the hoax continues, neither of these fictional dates of fake authenticity have any real bearing or meaning to human alignment with either God or nature, and the only poor idiots being duped are these paganism induced heathens who perpetuate these cockamammie excuses to get conveniently motherless befok dronk, year after duped deluded year.
Call me a wet blanket all you like but if you seriously need an excuse to get motherlessly out of sinc with reality at least try and make it a reasonably accurate one.
1 Jan 2012, 19:37 pm
@ashampoopaloo-211: skop get over yourself…live & let live.
there are pilgrims in India who “religiously” go to a certain river to onstensibly cleanse themselves. let people do what suits them, life is arduous enough for some to constantly be pelted with useless & often didactic verbal barrages.
a joyous & hopefully blessed new year to all on keo.
go bokke!
1 Jan 2012, 19:40 pm
I guess the age old adage still holds true
When in Rome do as the Romans do
Seems nothing much has changed in the past 2500 – 3000 years we still celebrating the sun birth festival of Mithras ( Xmas ) as well as the fertility festival of Roman adopted Egyptian goddess Istar around spring equinox ( Easter ) and conveniently confusing it with the Cristos birth and death and keeping the pagans ritualistic alignment with human superstitions alive and well in this 21st Century.
Perhaps the more accurate cyclic calendar of the Mayans may yet have the last laugh after all..,
Hail Horatius , Glory to the new born King, Halleluljah.
1 Jan 2012, 20:02 pm
@ashampoopaloo-211: Er no, I was answering your question and pointing out that your statements in the post I replied to are wrong.
Pope Pontius (230 – 235AD) reigned before Constantine (306-337).
Please get your facts straight. Last from me on this.
Chill. It’s a festive season, ol ducky
1 Jan 2012, 20:08 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-208: Actually boet, I’ve had very little to drink over this festive season. If I’m at someone else’s house or driving anywhere then it’s been strictly appletizer for me. Just no margin in taking any risks.
If I’m at home then I’ll have a glass or two, but for the most I’ve been pretty restrained.
@ashampoopaloo-211: It doesn’t matter whether it’s correct or not, calendar-wise.
The latest credible research puts a likely date of birth for ***** as approximately June in 2 BC.
That’s not the point. It’s a symbol. Hopefully it’s a time for people to be with their families, enjoy each others company and hopefully reflect a bit on their blessings, and make amends where appropriate.
To commemorate and celebrate the birth of someone sent by G od to save mankind, if you are that way inclined (which I am).
You, of course, are happy to make of it what you will.
1 Jan 2012, 20:16 pm
I never get motherlessy out of sync with reality. If some people choose to do so, it’s their choice.
Who the hell are we to say otherwise.
1 Jan 2012, 20:31 pm
@Transformation-212:
man, that is one dirty ****** river…
@stormersboy-215:
oh, thats interesting because your new year’s wish list reads like you do drink a lot..
but ja sure hey, the springboks taking the 4 nations with heyneke at the helm is top of my list… so here’s to hoping we all get what we want.
1 Jan 2012, 20:31 pm
****** = ffukken
1 Jan 2012, 21:06 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-217: Ja I picked up on the gist of your post
A guy can dream can’t he??
It is a wish list after all…..
1 Jan 2012, 21:19 pm
@stormersboy-219:
maybe (whispers…) ‘if you build it they will come’..(whisper, echoes, whisper…)
1 Jan 2012, 21:23 pm
@stormersboy-219: hi M…hope u having a great vacation. mine is fabulous and i’m wrapping it up shortly though, you know the work of a business development officer is never done!
i’ll holiday on a yacht off the amalfi coast after delivering the nuclear power plant.
1 Jan 2012, 21:34 pm
Happy New Year Everyone
Hope all the Keo bloggers have a great 2012
And goooooooo Stormers and Bokke
1 Jan 2012, 21:42 pm
oh well I guess it may be socially acceptable to get conveniently and determinedly debauched in the name of some fantastical demagoguery of a supposed saints fake birthday… any old excuse will do while living under delusions of superstitious Romanticized folklore that these dates we so reverently hold so dear mean absolutely fanny f’all in Gods circus of whirling worlds suspended by sound and light in the symphonies of the spheres
now they wanna tell me it ain’t really the year of ‘our Lord’ 2012 because he wasn’t born in December on 0 AD but in June of 2 BC… when it was likely a little cold for shepherds to be watching their flocks by night in the midwinter skies of June or for any bright star to be clearly visible in the east…
So if they not quit sure who or what it is they are worshiping on Dec 25th or on Jan 1st … which neither dates are either the birth of the savior nor the beginning of the year.. then what in God’s name is all this outa sight debauchery in aid of around this so called season of Romanticized paganism festivities?
A good old snort and a night on the town to commemorate nothing relevant to anyone… actually.. what else?
1 Jan 2012, 21:49 pm
So mid June represents high summer on the plains outside of Bethlehem .. perhaps that is a little closer to the truth… though no one truly knows, and likely ever will… so what?… a good excuse to get embroiled in traditional superstition with some high jinx antics around the imbibing of some intoxicating beverage or few… why not?? after all it has been ordained and condoned by the most high priests of the order of the Pagan worshiping Papal officers in the conditioned fantasized creation in Rome..
1 Jan 2012, 21:57 pm
@Transformation-221: Hey fella, nice to hear. We are having a very cool holliday, in between the beach house and home, catching up with family, feasting (occasionally) and also going on outings with the kids.
Special time.
The yacht thing sounds like a good plan
A new Dynamic after all…….
1 Jan 2012, 21:59 pm
@ashampoopaloo-224:
you really should just focus on the important stuff skop, and leave all the rest behind:
the springboks, a beautiful woman, great food and good drink…
I close my eyes
only for a moment
and the moment’s gone
all my dreams
pass before my eyes a curiosity
dust in the wind
all we are is dust in the wind
Same old song
just a drop of water
in the endless sea
all we do
crumbles to the ground
though we refuse to see
dust in the wind
all we are is dust in the wind
Now, don’t hang on
nothing lasts forever
but the earth and sky
it slips away
And all your money
won’t another minute buy
Dust in the wind
all we are is dust in the wind
dust in the wind
everything is dust in the wind
1 Jan 2012, 22:03 pm
@ashampoopaloo-223: skop, i don’t hear you gaaning aan about muslims who go on pilgrimaga in mecca just to walk around some stone or whatever it is the people there find sacred.
keep to what you know & believe in.
nobody likes a know-it-all.
1 Jan 2012, 22:16 pm
one mans tradition and superstition don’t equate nor does it negate another’s
after all all men are supposedly born equal in the eyes of the ‘Lord’
so like all religions and all traditions, they are in fact all fake… all of them without exception.. each and every one of these traditions and superstitions and religions orchestrated and ordained and created by man are fake.. each and every one without fail…
all it takes is just a little clarity of thought… just a little bit of non traditional non superstitious eye opening to realize that all such religious observances and traditions are all exactly and equally fake.. without a shred of true genuine authenticity to share among them… not a single one.
1 Jan 2012, 22:34 pm
If one looks on the internet today which is the current assumed relevant authentication of useless information you will find perhaps more days attributed to JC’s birthday than anyone else… which basically means nobody, not even the Pope nor the Cardinals nor the high priests in Moscow or Athens or Syria or Egypt know when JC was born… not a single one..
Some say 6 BC in April.. others say 7 BC in May.., others say June in 2 BC, . others say the Jewish month of Tishri September / October around 4 BC … and then a few blind mice still believe Mithra’s sun god birthday of Dec. 25th is the authenticated birth day of reckoning yet…
Not even the gospels according Mark, Matthew, Luke or John.. nor the prophecies of Isiah nor the written works of the historian Josephus nor the letters to the Romans by Paul or the treatises to the Greeks or the writings of Timothy or Phillip or the Coptic clues in Alexandria.. give the actual birth day or year of the savior of mankind…
So it shows when men are that duped and deluded to worship a so called birthday of ‘They know not Who’ and keep it as a traditional day to worship or celebrate something they know not what .. that all man made religion, superstition and tradition is by no means an excuse to get motherless outa sight debauched drunk.. and neither is Caesar’s fictitious beginning of the calendar year a reason for any so called season of dubious denial driven debilitation..
1 Jan 2012, 22:44 pm
Who cares bud?
Ser?ously.
G?ve yourself a poethklap loser.
Happy new year to the rest of you.
SHAAAAAARKS!
1 Jan 2012, 22:50 pm
@rangerman-230: Or as Ashwin Willemse says…:
Saaaaaaaarks!
1 Jan 2012, 22:50 pm
even you got question marks springing up all over the place… if ever there was a denial driven loser it gotta be you… Sharks my farken foot … another reason to drown your debilitated head in dubious deluded drunken stupor…
don’t you know the difference between a sea cockroach and a sea slug that you eat in pitiful abandon.. you should join the survivor circus they eat those slimy yucky slithering things there to stay in the pitiful race before they are executed out to extinction…
1 Jan 2012, 22:57 pm
a loser in my estimation is somebody who cannot or will not see reality from fiction.. that is my definition of a loser… which basically makes the bulk majority of these beer swilling flesh eating cockroach cannibal debilitated sea slug guzzlers and traditional Roman festivity worshiping morons the ultimate losers in creation… how little do they know what a true loser truly is…
1 Jan 2012, 22:58 pm
i think the aims should not be to deride those ‘people of faith’ repeatedly at every opportunity, but rather to just protect your liberties and freedoms as a non believer from the people of faith… because, usually… they are the one’s mounting irrational and arbitrary attacks on those who do not subscribe to their beliefs, no matter how absurd they may be.
1 Jan 2012, 23:00 pm
yessus i’m still farken out my tree, what day of the week is it?
Old King Cole was a merry old soul
And a merry old soul was he;
He called for his pipe, and he called for his bowl
And he called for his fiddlers three.
1 Jan 2012, 23:09 pm
yep that’s me old King Cole.. the merry old soul… how’d you guess ‘lil lord Fauntleroy?
Old Mother Hubbard went and told you I’m sure..
Its Sunday you moron… the day the Sun is worshiped in ancient Roman tradition… Sunday.. some say its the Sabbath while others say its the Romans pagan day off… others say its the day after Saturday.. which is supposedly the real authentic Sabbath.. and others say its 2 days after Friday… which is somebody else’s Holy worshiping Sabbath day where no wine woman or song is to be entertained or imbibed
Don’t you know one day of the week from the next.. or you just as dilly wool over the scientific eyes confused as them traditional superstition believer’s?
1 Jan 2012, 23:13 pm
yep, i dont really care, one excuse is as good as another to get trollied…kind of like they did back in the 60s when popping psychadelics of hoe? or u say one barbiturate better than another, kind of like religions?
1 Jan 2012, 23:31 pm
its like that old saying ‘different strokes for different folks’
you gotta choose your highs and lows according your psychologically deprived and conditioned intelligentsia laden deficiencies allow… You must be a prime candidate for a good double dose of Uncle Timothy Leary’s prime Xmas brew.to wake you right out of that dumb debilitated toxic stupor you got so bogged down in…
But then Getafix ain’t around no more to whisk up a brew made especially for you…
Perhaps some of Old Don Juan’s mescalito.. it may snap you out of your debilitated delusion… seeing all that non compos mentis intake of dead duck famous grouse alcoholic down syndrome inducing fermented hops and wheat and barley garbage has seriously damaged you beyond much hope for repair…
having highlighted the alternative approaches to motherless intoxicated induced delusion… it can clearly be defined even by the scientific decree of the high priests that alcohol brings you down… while other substances such as magic mushrooms and herbs actually lift one up… I am of the school which don’t buy either defused states of mental delusion… so as far as I’m concerned total abstinence from all manner of mind or body altering substance or intoxicant is to be avoided… most especially that sickening socially acceptable depraved drug of humanity they have elevated into a derelict intoxicated art form called alcohol
1 Jan 2012, 23:32 pm
What is wrong with pure hedonism?
if u aint hurting anyone else, just wtf is so bad bout a bit of debauchery ekse?
1 Jan 2012, 23:33 pm
LMAO – uncle timothy’ xmas brew, u are fkd in the piesang, no doubts, one crazy fkn little oompaloompa.
1 Jan 2012, 23:36 pm
@ashampoopaloo-238:
‘total abstinence from all manner of mind or body altering substance or intoxicant’ is to be adhered to and all intake of such mind affecting substance should be avoided… always..
But obviously just like flesh eating… this is one rung of the ladder too steep or too arduous a task even for superstitiously weaned and materialistically enshrined pseudo scientists such as you..
1 Jan 2012, 23:36 pm
Evening Keolings
New Years Greetings…
Skop, I have partaken one glass of white wine this evening! How does this rate on the ‘Debauch Ometer’ ?
1 Jan 2012, 23:41 pm
wanna be a hedonist … go ahead… only dumb schmuck idiot you are hurting and affecting is yourself… none other…
1 Jan 2012, 23:43 pm
Its just like kissing
One kiss… two kisses…. the next thing you know you got twins…
same with one glass of wine… next its two glasses and before you know it the bottle is cased and the whiskey jar is open… and you land up in somebody’s bed who you dunno from Adam or Peter or Paul… or Mary…
1 Jan 2012, 23:43 pm
i cant obey rules like that, cant obey any rules let alone ridiculous ones, we have basic needs, meat, beer and mtwetwai…wtf kind of existence u lot wanna make this anyhow? god gerd waars my perd.
@carol-242:
evening carol
1 Jan 2012, 23:45 pm
Oh for goodness sake we are not all in drunken deluded ffuckin stupors!!!!!!!!
2 Jan 2012, 00:17 am
you drive on the left side of the road or the right side…??
you make love to Elizabeth Taylor or Richard Burton ??
intake of barbiturates and weed and cocaine and mescalin is verboten … how come this sickening depraved social deprived so called ‘norm’ of mindless intoxicated stupor where they have taken this sickening deficiency inducing drug called alcohol and made it into some romanticized f’ng stupefied mindless acceptable art form and screwed up elevated social alcoholic deprivation is not ??
You dunno rules from reality… your so called rules are so fck’d up the pole, same as your screwed up sense of morality and normality or sanity… you so far gone off the rails of reality you simply don’t know which rules are real and which are fake.. dumb deluded hedonist pseudo scientific whack job nutty professor of romanticized hedonism..
2 Jan 2012, 00:29 am
And when they were up, they were up,
And when they were down, they were down,
And when they were only half-way up,
They were neither up nor down.
fauntleroy signing off for his tiffin and port.
2 Jan 2012, 00:49 am
@cab-245:
Evening Cab, sorry called away!
2 Jan 2012, 01:16 am
A new year, but the same old dooos’s singing the same old songs…….aaaah well
happy new year !
Here’s to a better one for the green and gold!
2 Jan 2012, 01:27 am
FINALLY able to log in after a few days left out in the cold…
I see skop was still able to log in and post his usual drivel though…
Wht the special treatment to our senile geriatric club?
2 Jan 2012, 02:22 am
Yay finally back up.
Got John Smit book for Christmas. Excellent read. Would recommend it.
@Rhys7-152:
Bud, you post a new fantasy team every week.
How about discussing the pros & cons of certain players you’d like to see in there.
I mean you want Lambie as a 12… a position that favors the stronger runners who can get over the gain-line. We can all agree Frans could be the best 12 in world rugby…. If you aren’t in favor of overseas players, then why include Sarel Pretorius?
Jean Deysel at 4 makes me cringe, and Willem Alberts is a heck of a lot better then Josh Strauss.
2 Jan 2012, 02:24 am
@hendrikp-252: has John Smit released a new book?
2 Jan 2012, 02:26 am
How come a select few (Skop, Transformation, Dawn and Cab etc) seemed unaffected by the recent logging in issues?…
i.e. the question is, why were some people affected and some not?
2 Jan 2012, 02:33 am
@wooden spoon-253:
Not new… but a good read nonetheless.
2 Jan 2012, 02:35 am
@wooden spoon-254:
Maybe different settings that don’t require them to login each time re-open their browser?
2 Jan 2012, 06:18 am
@hendrikp-256: don’t worry about spooner, ever the eternal conspiracy theorist.
2 Jan 2012, 06:51 am
@hendrikp-256: i see Ted’s been knighted. the kiwis are going to be ‘unplayable’ as grant would say.
Graham Henry’s masterminding
of the All Blacks’ World Cup
success not only laid a 24-year
demon to rest but has also earned
him a knighthood in the New
Year’s Honours list.
Sir Graham, as he will now be
known, has been rewarded for a
38-year coaching career at all
levels of the game by becoming a
Knight Companion of the New
Zealand Order of Merit.
He started as a first XV coach at
Auckland Grammar and Kelston
Boys’ High, moved on to
successful stints with Auckland
and the Blues before moving up to
international level with Wales,
between 1998 and 2002, and the
British and Irish Lions in 2001.
But undoubtedly the pinnacle of
his career came in charge of the
All Blacks.
Henry won 88 of his 103 Tests in
charge – an unrivalled winning
percentage of 85.4 percent – and
ensured the All Blacks were
regular winners of the Bledisloe Cup and Tri Nations along with Grand Slam triumphs.
2 Jan 2012, 06:57 am
@hendrikp-255: Got Victor’s book, Tim Noakes’ book & Bear Gryls’ book for Christmas. Started Victor’s one. I’ll post the verdict in a day or so.
2 Jan 2012, 07:11 am
Happy New Year to everyone.
And it’s going to be the year of the Stormers.
I can feel it in my water.
2 Jan 2012, 07:39 am
@Transformation-258:
All the best for 2012, transie.
The thing that jumps out there is the 85.4% success rate and that over an 8 year period with the AB’s.
2 Jan 2012, 07:46 am
@IAAS-260: Fo’ Sho” !
2 Jan 2012, 08:01 am
I don’t know what skoppy believes in but it sure makes him,sour,bitter and compassionless.
am not interested in what he has at all.
2 Jan 2012, 08:03 am
@stormersboy-262:
How you doing? All the best to you for 2012.
Hope the weather is decent in CT – down there from next week.
2 Jan 2012, 08:03 am
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-263:
I you were a Bokke supporter you’d be sour and bitter as well….
2 Jan 2012, 08:07 am
@IAAS-264: Compliments to you too!
We’ve been having nice weather, the odd windy day, the odd overcast/rainy day like today but it’s been mostly great weather.
You’ll catch the exodus of holiday makers perfectly.
2 Jan 2012, 08:08 am
@NZINCHINA-265:
I am but my life does not just revovolve around rugby
2 Jan 2012, 08:10 am
@NZINCHINA-265:
If I were living in China and when talking my wife back home to NZ she has a good chance of facing blatant harrasment and racism because she is asian I would most propably be.
2 Jan 2012, 08:11 am
Spot the Bokke?
http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/rugby-union/union-news/rugbyheavens-team-of-the-year-20111228-1pc0r.html
2 Jan 2012, 08:12 am
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-268:
a new year and you’re still lame
2 Jan 2012, 08:13 am
@NZINCHINA-265: What a difference 4 months make for you Kiwis though……..
2 Jan 2012, 08:14 am
@NZINCHINA-270:
Like I care what you think.
Rather lame and lots of very nice oppurtunities than be stuck in china.
2 Jan 2012, 08:15 am
@stormersboy-271:
all the best for 2012.
very sad when a rigged wc means so much…
2 Jan 2012, 08:16 am
@stormersboy-271:
Ha that one was for Fern, even when we weren’t winning world cups we had a bit to smile about
2 Jan 2012, 08:17 am
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-272:
fark we aren’t going to hear about your wondeful life for another farking year are we, yes yes you own your own home and have a good job well done mate you’re a ******* hero
2 Jan 2012, 08:17 am
“f ucking”
2 Jan 2012, 08:20 am
@NZINCHINA-275:
properties,plural
did you have a spitroasted poodle for your new years feast?
Just skip my posts if you don’t want to read about me.Simple.
This is not china,you do have a choice.
2 Jan 2012, 09:02 am
@NZINCHINA-274: Well 2 a piece to the 3 SH teams seems pretty fair to me…..
1 to the NH.
Watching Bath vs London Irish and the Toulon game yesterday I understand why.
2 Jan 2012, 09:11 am
Good morning you hedonistic alcohol-ridden deluded dumbfuck schmucks
2 Jan 2012, 09:16 am
Lol!
“Erotic videos give boost to rugby players”
(On the pitch)!
2 Jan 2012, 09:19 am
@Dawn-279: Morning madam.
2 Jan 2012, 09:39 am
Madam?
2 Jan 2012, 09:42 am
OK I’ll live with it.
Morning Sir.
2 Jan 2012, 09:43 am
@Dawn-282: I call lots of people that.
I guess mademoiselle may have been more appropriate
2 Jan 2012, 10:13 am
@IAAS-260:
you ‘feel it in your water’..?.. is that like a menstrual ovular thing?
@NZINCHINA-265:
you support a bunch of low cheats who cant win without a fix, china.
you’re better off being bitter and sour.
do something about it… fix your rugby..
2 Jan 2012, 10:18 am
@IAAS-261: thanks bud, likewise to you & yours.
yeah Ted’s win ratio puts a lot international coaches to shame.
2 Jan 2012, 10:46 am
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-273:
More so when it earned a Knighthood,
2 Jan 2012, 10:56 am
how come jake & smit didn’t get knighted? or a japies excluded from the queen’s grandiose pats on the back for the former colonies?
2 Jan 2012, 11:46 am
plod knighted?
Good heavens !
2 Jan 2012, 11:57 am
@grant10-289: hehe happy new year boet.
2 Jan 2012, 12:12 pm
@grant10-289: Gentlemen, a little bit of worldly education for you: Elizabeth is the queen of a number of countries and in that role she grants knighthoods. So for example if she knights a New Zealander, she does so in the capacity of monarch of that country. South Africa is a republic, ruled by Zulu. The queen no longer has the capacity to recognise the achievements of the citizens of South Africa.
2 Jan 2012, 12:17 pm
@stormersboy-278:
Yip very fair
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-285:
We are the world champions in rugby at every level that counts, i’m very happy buddy I doubt you can say the same.
2 Jan 2012, 12:17 pm
When is Gert Smal going to be announced as new coach? Anyone know…
2 Jan 2012, 12:18 pm
Arise, dame Dawn.
(Is that what they call a lady knight?)
2 Jan 2012, 12:21 pm
@NZINCHINA-292:
that’s too bad.
you could’ve been great but you threw it away.
2 Jan 2012, 12:26 pm
I’m all for jousting and swordfighting nad such.
2 Jan 2012, 12:42 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-295:
mens/womans/U 20/7′s we got it all, you’ll get your shot at the title in a few years time but first you must start winning some silverware and winning away from home
2 Jan 2012, 12:49 pm
Happy New Year Everyone!
2 Jan 2012, 13:09 pm
Bloggers seem to have lost what little sense of humour they had.
2 Jan 2012, 13:12 pm
@Bill Reyts-293:
27th, but I am not so sure its a done deal.
2 Jan 2012, 13:18 pm
@NZINCHINA-297:
by all means, keep it.
i would never enjoy titles or trophies won on the low.
i prefer trophies deservedly earned… great feeling… nothing like it…
2 Jan 2012, 13:25 pm
@Bill Reyts-293: @PissAnt-300: i’m not sure about this gert smal character…
if he gets the job then so be it but he should know we want to win & want to win NOW!
2 Jan 2012, 13:27 pm
@Transformation-302:
Last time WP won the Currie Cup he was in charge…
2 Jan 2012, 13:37 pm
@PissAnt-303: that was MORE than a decade ago & it was the currie cup for crying out loud…
plum has won that comp twice in recent years, it doesn’t make a him an international head coach.
2 Jan 2012, 13:56 pm
@Transformation-304:
and these are the palookas heyneke meyer does not even get rated against..?..
boggles the mind really.
2 Jan 2012, 14:00 pm
how many cc’s has heyneke won?
2 Jan 2012, 14:01 pm
don’t answer it… the question’s rhetorical…
2 Jan 2012, 14:09 pm
@Transformation-304:
Since WP (when the Currie Cup at least had most of their Boks on display for the most part) he has moved on to international coaching (test rugby). He has 8 years experience at test level.
He has also drafted a proposal in 2008 to develop black rugby players (specifically forwards) which was subsequently ignored by SA Rugby at the time.
He is respected as one of the best forwards coaches in world rugby at test level not only locally, but in European rugby where there is a massive emphasis on forward play – hence Ireland (who has won a couple of titles in the last 4 years) more than keen to sign him on again after the RWC.
He is familiar with the Springbok setup and SA Rugby’s inner workings, has the most experience as coach at test level of any current SA coaches (we will not appoint a foreigner) and is respected by his players and peers – and of course, he wore the Green and Gold as a player.
If Steve Hansen is good enough for the All Blacks, I see no reason why Gert cannot take charge of the Boks.
2 Jan 2012, 14:10 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-305:
Heyneke does not want the job as coach.
2 Jan 2012, 14:53 pm
@PissAnt-308: Gert Smal… who thinks that black leadership is naturally inferior.. but I suppose so do you. Gert Smal is best kept away from leadership in SA rugby. The man is pure Nazi. He should feel free to write up training manuals and sell them to SARU.
2 Jan 2012, 15:02 pm
@PissAnt-309: Heyneke Meyer does not want to compete with PDV’s legacy. Being seen to be inferior to a black man is a white man’s worst nightmare in SA. I am sure you understand it. I see that you have started your own site to exclude competition and create an illusion of supremacy. How is it going with your site??
2 Jan 2012, 15:05 pm
@youknowwho-310:
“…thinks that black leadership is naturally inferior…” Why do you say that?
2 Jan 2012, 15:05 pm
@PissAnt-309:
yes, i know that is what everyone is saying but how do you know its true?
honestly, think it through…
who wouldn’t want such a job? (yes you can discount all the political, cultural, afrikaans, english, racial, agenda driven, ja-broer, self serving, trnsformational **** as well as the simple stresses of high expectations to deliver success all the time… the point still stands)
he has wanted it in the past and i am sure he would want it today but only if he in turn was wanted for the job, and was given the power and environment in which to succeed.
unless you have a very credible source who has heard it from many horses mouths that he does not, then i will continue to believe.
gert smal will just deliver more of the mediocre same, i am convinced of this.
2 Jan 2012, 15:09 pm
@Melchizedek-312: He seemingly said that he will not work under a black coach… While this has not been confirmed it has also not been denied. He did however work under an Irish coach recently so it not that he does not like the No2 or 3 position… in coaching
2 Jan 2012, 15:32 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-313:
So then who do you think should be coach, knowing that Heyneke doesn’t want the job?
2 Jan 2012, 15:56 pm
@youknowwho-314: If that’s true (and this is the first I’ve heard of it), I’d imagine it’d be an immediate disqualifier. You can’t have an avowed racist as a national coach.
Besides, I’m not sure how one would prefer Smal over AC. I think AC is as qualified for the job as any coach in this country. It’d be interesting to see how Meyer would do as Bok coach. He appears to me to be the type of coach who needs time to build a squad, and we know that time is not a luxury afforded to Bok coaches. However, he seems to have the respect of the local and intl rugby fraternity, is a visionary and technically adept. But I intuit that the issue with HM is that he feels that he needs to be guaranteed the job. He isn’t ambitious (hungry) enough for the job or is so proud to believe that he should be given the job on a silver platter. Neither of the two qualities r good for an aspiring Bok coach in my books.
2 Jan 2012, 16:08 pm
@Bill Reyts-315:
no, i do not know with certainty that hm does not want the job. that was my point all along as people keep saying this but no one knows it with certainty.
anyway, barring hm then i would go for any of the following candidates:
1. mallet
well i guess they’re probably the only two credible candidates then.
smal will prove to be mediocre i fear, because thats just what he is (he’s had his chance to conquer the coaching world).
ludeke will probably not be allowed to leave the bulls just yet.
john mitchell has only won one cc so is probably no more qualified than rassie, he needs to prove himself in sr..
acsie (allister and rassie) really are starting to show an emporers clothing so have to prove themselves in sr as well.
perhaps an outsider would be woodward but he too has only just a wc, like white, and no sustained success.
white is pretty much obligated by the looks of things.
no, i think the only credible options are meyer and mallet.
2 Jan 2012, 16:23 pm
@Melchizedek-316: Spot on about HM believing that he is entitled to not only get the job but to fkup until he can build a reasonable winning record comparable to PDV.. even if it takes him 5 years.
2 Jan 2012, 16:30 pm
@Melchizedek-316:
why shouldn’t the best man for the job be guaranteed the job?
what competitive organisation desiring of success doesn’t (at least you’d think they wouldn’t) operate with such a mindset?
but of course, for all the reasons of our history we end up with the pieter de villiers’ of the world….a lucky stooge who came along at a lucky time (i’ve got nothing against him personally, just stating the facts) and who said inspirational things like ‘go out there and do your best, boys’.. ‘show them what you’ve got, guys’… ‘play the situation in fron of you’.. and so on..
a guy who had of course inherited his entire squad, systems and setup from his predecessor and who in his time there, as well his capacity, added nothing whatsoever to the springbok sporting organisation. its a bit like a rich kid coming into a business inheritance, he may in his turn buy or sell one or two companies and do so successfully but for the most part he’s just there because of his predecessor and cannot in his own way achieve sustained success and grow the business he was left, let alone grow it at all if he started from scratch (yes, this is not always the rule but in his case it is).
2 Jan 2012, 16:33 pm
(at least you’d think they wouldn’t) = (at least you’d think they would)
2 Jan 2012, 16:34 pm
give it back to Pdv he deserves it most
Graham Henry failed at the quarters in 2007,. And now he has a knighthood having been cheated out of one encounter with France and then 4 years later cheated through to claim a WC against same France who must be the perennial brides maids always getting cheated out of legitimate wins.
So if Graham Henry can fluke a knighthood with a little help from the IRB, Pdv who was cheated out of a quarter final encounter could do the same.
Besides now there’s no more albatross of John Smit or FdP hanging around his neck he can make decisions and run the team according his own deductions. If Henry needed an extra 4 years to fluke it at the death who’s to say Pdv can’t do the same or better yet win it convincingly and legitimately next time around.
2 Jan 2012, 16:37 pm
@youknowwho-314:
Seemingly…
Still dealing in what-if’s and maybe’s I see.
Conjecture, hearsay, rumours… Oh sorry, I just checked the site I am on – no matter.
2 Jan 2012, 16:44 pm
Off to dinner, cheers.
2 Jan 2012, 17:13 pm
@PissAnt-322: uhmmmm, OK.. When we start digging dirt, you never know what we may find down there
2 Jan 2012, 20:03 pm
All this hanahana!
Just wait till 27th
2 Jan 2012, 21:24 pm
Somebody needs to explain to me the mind set of a person that comes onto a rugby site, doesnt actually have any interest in the game, contributes sweet F all cept to try and cause racial disharmony in most of the comments they put out there, and not even factual.
” He seemingly said that he will not work under a black coach…” would love to know where that comment was seemingly made.
” Spot on about HM believing that he is entitled to not only get the job ” so you know the man well then. Running people down and saying things bad things about them does not make it true.
2 Jan 2012, 21:41 pm
@Treehugger-326:
He is just a racist doos troll…………..ignor him
2 Jan 2012, 22:05 pm
@Treehugger-326:
Check the label – this particular site does not really attract the rugby concious (alone). It’s a bit like the news24 comments.
2 Jan 2012, 23:13 pm
@PissAnt-328:
news24 comments..?..
ok
i will have a look
2 Jan 2012, 23:23 pm
@ashampoopaloo-321:
really skop? really?
do you honestly believe that pieter de villiers is in any way comparable to graham henry?
graham may have fluked a win at the death with a little help from his friends (eight years later) but still, at the end of the day he managed to cheat his way to a lot of titles inbetween before he got there… which is a lot more than i can say for pdivvy…
3 Jan 2012, 00:43 am
well lets put it this way
I’d rather have a charismatic PdV running the side than a dour and dismal Gert Smal plodding his way through 4 more years of trials and error
PdV got his timing wrong.. taking the boks after they fluked a 2007 WC against nobody in particular, unless you regard 7th ranked England as worthy competitors in 2007, had him basically on a hiding to nothing because he got saddled with somebody else’s team and had to cow tail to the likes and dislikes of all and sundry surrounding him, starting with John Smit and his band of know it all’s ..
So PdV never really got to run the Bok side the way he had set out to.. his hands got firmly tied behind his back by those he entrusted with the fake legacy he inherited.. John Smit set out to get a back to back win at the WC and this alone derailed PdV’s chances.. in the end it was never about the coach and all about the famous players who had been fostered onto him…
Mark Keohane and Rian Oberholtzer can almost take direct responsibility for influencing the decision to go fetch a disgruntled over the hill Smit from Clermont and foster him and his entire JW backtrack thinking rugby philosophy onto PdV..
Now with Gert Smal will be much of the same chicken arsed conservative rearguard action cowardice that rules SA rugby for another semester of dour dismal non eventful rugby…
Oh Boy gee wiz I can hardly wait for this exciting non eventful rugby to unfold… another 4 years of outright boredom… what a load of reverse gear krap
3 Jan 2012, 01:16 am
Henry got lucky.. and now he gets knighted
Graham Henry was no ways this awe inspiring coach and no better than PdV ultimately, France had his number all ends up in the final and Craig Joubert baled the AB’s out of the most famous loss in their history… no such knighthood had the match been blown fairly… as rigged as it got so is the fine edge between success and failure.. Had Bryce Lawrence and Craig Joubert reffed those two knife edge games with a modicum of fair following of the rules Boks would have met AB’s in semi’s and who knows maybe met France in the final… which non of it turned out that way due to sentimental setups by the caucuses running the show behind the scenes..
Henry had the luxury of a decent team of people propping him up like Smith and Hansen with Richie McCaw running proceedings on the pitch and the artistry and capacity of a Dan Carter as back line general with some deft skills through his core of players for most of his 85 % tenure as AB coach.
The Boks lost their way when they went and relied on the garbage philosophy set out by Smit & Co from as early as 2008 with the kick chase krap that basically derailed the entire momentum of the side from as early *** 2009 and they never really got out of that dwindling spiral as ong as Smit ran on as starting hooker and captain… There were times when Boks were right on top of their game but these times were few and far between and mostly when Smit was nowhere to be seen.. same with FdP who became a liability in the end and hardly the genius asset he was hailed to be by his peers and all the scribes that wrote him up to be an untouchable…
Finally it came down to Rassie Erasmus creating another misnomer of a strategy by orchestrating this new brain wave that Schalk Burger was to be the fulcrum ball carrier chief cook and bottle washer mid field general who got second phase ball at first receiver every time… and this basically stuffed the Boks through the groin in the build up and through to the eventual exit at the WC… Burger being the one responsible for directly coughing it up for Horwill’s try and again losing it on the Australian try line up against the post when in possession, not being able to secure or recycle go forward ball… being the hero that failed ultimately to cross the advantage line when it counted… Down to a failed Rassie Erasmus strategy that did not work…
In the final analysis PdV ultimately handed his entire campaign strategy to those who could not produce when it mattered.. Rassie, Muir, Gold, Smit, FdP and Spies with Burger being the go to guy who could not go to get anything… couldn’t breech the advantage line as often as he tried.. and lost ball in possession at vital situations too often to be effective…
Too many noneffective contributors in areas that mattered.. Smit should have been gone.. so too FdP and Burger should not have been the mid field battering ram that failed dismally in the ploy of a ball carrying general…
JdV should have been captain or at least vice if Matfield ran the team… and Burger should have been reduced to the tackle demon he is famed for, not a non effective ball carrying link man.. Hougaard should have been run on scrumhalf and Bismark run on hooker with Alberts run on No.8 and everything would have turned out decidedly differently.
3 Jan 2012, 04:00 am
@ashampoopaloo-332:
Yer Henry got lucky 85% of the time, PDV isn’t qualified to wipe Sir Grahams backside.
3 Jan 2012, 04:32 am
@Transformation-160:
I listened to Wayne Smith on Radio Sports here in Nz mid December and he spoke quite openly about job opportunities he wanted to explore in the future, whilst he did not mention specific countries or rugby teams. He wanted to coach an International side that had the goods to compete and win at the highest level. At the moment he is aware he possesses all of the Abs intellectual property so he would have to bide his time and wait for the right opportunity to throw his hat in the ring, but if I were SARU I would be thinking seriously about securing his signature in 2013.
3 Jan 2012, 04:54 am
@ashampoopaloo-332:
Through all your contradictions I worked out from your post that GH is a sly lucky cat and Pdiv is a p ussy
3 Jan 2012, 07:19 am
@Te Rangatira-334:
No thanks. Imagine what you would’ve thought of him if Trinh-duc hadn’t missed that penalty… the margins at test level are so narrow… and we don’t need a foreigner in a position where we have plenty of very good candidates.
@Te Rangatira-335:
Ignore him. Trying to reason with that p0eph0l will get you nowhere.
3 Jan 2012, 07:43 am
mallet
mitchell
all the rest are simply not in the same class…..
in my opinion.
3 Jan 2012, 08:29 am
@hendrikp-336:
I think you’ll find most international coaches wouldn’t consider SA because of the potential dangers to their families etc with your crime rate, lets be honest Mitchell was very very lucky not to be killed,
3 Jan 2012, 08:38 am
@NZINCHINA-338:
Listen up you communist p ig.
You will not tell people what to post
This is not china we have freedom of speech.
Even if I do not like a lot of people’s rantings here yhey do have freedom of speech.
You think we are unhappy because we did not win the rwc,how small is your world…
3 Jan 2012, 08:43 am
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-339:
Mitchell was very close to being a death notice why would anybody put their family through that for a few rand.
3 Jan 2012, 08:54 am
@NZINCHINA-340:
Ask him,he did not leave afterwards.
Why would any person raise their kids in a communist country with gross human atrocities?
Why not raise them in NZ?
3 Jan 2012, 09:10 am
@NZINCHINA-340:
Isolated case. These things happen in NZ as well. Just the other day a radio journalist in Wellington central was murdered by two teenagers on the same street I walk every day.
Yes, SA has a very high murder rate, but I’d be more concerned about the high road toll considering the large number of those murders are between people that know each other.
3 Jan 2012, 09:11 am
@ashampoopaloo-331:
@ashampoopaloo-332:
sorry skop, i would have replied to these posts last night but i got motherless and passed out.
3 Jan 2012, 09:12 am
IAAS when you come to CT next week I will buy you a drink at FIremans
3 Jan 2012, 09:17 am
@Te Rangatira-335:
@NZINCHINA-338:
really china?
i could post endless numbers of articles on murders, serious assaults, rapes and so forth that take place in nz.
in fact i think i will, to follow:
3 Jan 2012, 09:20 am
@NZINCHINA-338:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10776485
even a tad of racism:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775559
child abuse:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10774679
*** abuse:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775058
3 Jan 2012, 09:24 am
@NZINCHINA-338:
stabbing:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10768661
child abuse:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10774933
child *** abuse:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772953
random blue murder:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772797
stabbing assault:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10776485
3 Jan 2012, 09:27 am
@NZINCHINA-340:
more of the same:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772544
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775912
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10776209
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10776185
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sexual-assault/news/article.cfm?c_id=1500916&objectid=10775775
3 Jan 2012, 09:34 am
@NZINCHINA-338:
rape:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sexual-assault/news/article.cfm?c_id=1500916&objectid=10776129
loony gunman goes postal:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10773836
guy goes to a rave, goes depraved, result – murder:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10773758
axe wielding home invaders:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10776406
a mass murderer blast from the past:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10773569
sniveling rat breaks into christchurch quake homes:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10776355
3 Jan 2012, 09:41 am
@NZINCHINA-338:
murder:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772931
murder:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772023
afirmative shopping:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/theft/news/article.cfm?c_id=344&objectid=10775531
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/theft/news/article.cfm?c_id=344&objectid=10775700
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/theft/news/article.cfm?c_id=344&objectid=10773848
drugs:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/theft/news/article.cfm?c_id=344&objectid=10775184
3 Jan 2012, 09:44 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-350:
Search David Bain.
Apparently commenting on a public forum on whether or not you think he’s guilty can result in prosecution… so I will say nothing.
3 Jan 2012, 09:45 am
@NZINCHINA-338:
*** assault:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/justice-system/news/article.cfm?c_id=240&objectid=10772379
bag snatcher:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775433
meth heads:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775239
guy goes cycling, gets randomly shot at:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10776450
afirmative shopping:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/theft/news/article.cfm?c_id=344&objectid=10773848
lower hutt meth heads:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10774124
3 Jan 2012, 09:58 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-352:
Listen
I don’t what China said to start this tirade but stop it.
3 Jan 2012, 09:59 am
@NZINCHINA-338:
cop shooter:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10769869
tourist brutally murdered:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10769615
schoolgirl knifed to death in her home:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10769598
guy chops his girlfriend up:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10768795
wow! = Grieving father regrets moving to killer nation:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10634798
robbery bashing:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772005
3 Jan 2012, 10:01 am
@hendrikp-351:
gee wizz! so not only do a lot nz’s run the risk of suffering from some or other type of crime, assault the innocent one’s also stand a chance of being wrongly convicted?
well i never…
3 Jan 2012, 10:04 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-354:
Don’t forget to mention all the beatings.
The boks get beaten at least once a year in NZ.
3 Jan 2012, 10:08 am
Happy new year keolings.
3 Jan 2012, 10:09 am
@Dawn-353:
yes, alright.
but to be fair, china should have the opportunity to respond in kind or as he sees fit.
3 Jan 2012, 10:09 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-355:
More like a pathetic jury who let a murderer walk. OJ style.
3 Jan 2012, 10:17 am
@Mr Black-356:
it hurts to admit that
damned all blacks
@hendrikp-359:
oh i see.
so its more likely that he did kill his family?
one of the articles said he was going to get compensation for being wrongly convicted though.
3 Jan 2012, 10:27 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-360:
He won’t get compensation.
The defense was a complete joke. Supposedly the dad did it, but in reality that was very unlikely considering the scenario and the rifle used (he wouldn’t have been able to point it at himself and pull the trigger and so forth)…
3 Jan 2012, 10:33 am
3 Jan 2012, 10:44 am
@Treehugger-362:
If I remember correctly, they average around…
New Zealand: 2 murders per 100,000 a year.
South Africa: 45 murders per 100,000 a year.
Nothing to do with population. South Africa is a much more dangerous place to live.
But no reason to slag the place. Also no reason for foreigners to necessarily be afraid. If you keep your nose clean – and follow advice given to you, you’re far less likely to run into trouble… which is generally the same all over the place.
3 Jan 2012, 10:45 am
My mistake SA is a very safe country and no international coach considers it before moving there.
3 Jan 2012, 10:48 am
ROAR!
Happy new year all you rugga mates and compliments of the season to you … except for all you sharkievarkie pricks, you know who you are.
Anyway, go Proteas … thanks for dropping that has-been schmuck, Prince. Just need to axe a few more.
3 Jan 2012, 10:51 am
@NZINCHINA-364:
With the money an international head coach would get, I’d say they could live a very very comfortable life in SA.
Guys like Plumtree, Mitchell and until recently Adrian Kennedy didn’t do it because they were drunk.
3 Jan 2012, 10:59 am
@NZINCHINA-364:
we are glad to have john, carlos and plum.
3 Jan 2012, 11:08 am
@hendrikp-363: Where exactly was it i was slagging the place ???
As you can see by the smiley and what i said “I didnt know NZ had such a high crime rate, always thought it was a laid back kind of place.” that is not slagging.
Oh and that was a shock smiley.
3 Jan 2012, 11:10 am
Too many proteas are hanging in when others should be getting a run. Rudolph and Morkel are the most vulnerable.
3 Jan 2012, 11:10 am
@Treehugger-368:
I meant slagging SA.
3 Jan 2012, 11:11 am
@hendrikp-370:
Especially if you’re living in China… criticizing life in SA probably isn’t a wise move
3 Jan 2012, 11:15 am
@stormer in a teacup-369:
Smith, Boucher, Morkel and the **** spinner all have to go.
3 Jan 2012, 11:15 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-365:
Hey ………………………….RL,
I watched a Movie over the holidays called District 9.
I think you Okes should rename your Team the Golden Prawns.
8)
3 Jan 2012, 11:17 am
@Treehugger-368:
for such a small population living in ‘gods country’ it is sadly rather high.
3 Jan 2012, 11:17 am
really, really now.
**** = Pakistani
3 Jan 2012, 11:18 am
yeesh
3 Jan 2012, 11:18 am
@Bad Santa cane-373:
F0kkit, somebody’s got too much time on their hands.
Let it be known… that movie was directed by Sir Peter Jackson.
3 Jan 2012, 11:23 am
@Bad Santa cane-373:
Really Santa? I don’t pollute my mind by watching kak movies …. no, we are the MTN Golden Lions, in the Currie cup and MTN Lions in Super rugby.
I only know of Parktown prawns, hideous creatures …. almost as vile as sharkievarkies.
3 Jan 2012, 11:23 am
@stormer in a teacup-369:
i blame the coach.
he never should have kept smith on as captain imo.
should have changed captaincy as a start.
its a cricket version of a fbc going on and i would like to hear grants take on it.
3 Jan 2012, 11:24 am
Tahir deserves a decent run. Too many teams don’t stick with a spinner long enough. Where is the succession plan for Boucher? Dropping Smith will mean regime change and it is tIme we saw a new approach.
3 Jan 2012, 11:25 am
@Dawn-376: relax, Santa wasn’t talking about you!
3 Jan 2012, 11:26 am
@Bad Santa cane-373: ja we will.
once you rename the all blacks
Once Were Worriers (you know, that choke look dan and reechee had down pat?)
compliments of the season Caner!
and Dawnie, hendrik, stormerboy etc etc etc.
fark you redpu ss y.
3 Jan 2012, 11:28 am
My New Year resolutions:
-To treat all Bulls fans with the respect they deserve ( no change from my current position).
- Not to assume that all Stormers fans are broke-backs.
-I will at least consider the possibility that the Lions have more than 4 fans.
-Sharkies are a great Team. I will not let their belligerent fan base alter my opinion.
-Cheats are on the way up in Super Rugby. I will be happy for them and their fans………………………………………………..yeah right.
8)
3 Jan 2012, 11:28 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-378:
parktown prawns.. sharkievarkies..
3 Jan 2012, 11:29 am
@stormer in a teacup-380:
I’d rather stick with Harris, who picks can pick up one or two wickets an innings at less than 3 runs an over than keep the Pakistani who goes at more than 4 an over for his one or two wickets … just give AB the gloves, simple.
3 Jan 2012, 11:31 am
@rangerman-382:
And all the very best to You and your family Dangerman.
It is going to be a very interesting year ahead.
8)
3 Jan 2012, 11:32 am
@Bad Santa cane-383:
cheats?
3 Jan 2012, 11:38 am
proteas are going to capitulate again, not going to waste my day watching them, i’m better off going to rosebank sipping fine whisky.
3 Jan 2012, 11:38 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-387: did you see the man you love sitting on the bench for Toulon a few days ago.
3 Jan 2012, 11:39 am
The Proteas took a wrong turn when they opted against Ray Jennings as coach. He was the only coach to take no **** from Smith. He would have brought the steel we needed to the Proteas. No more weak lillylivered marshmallow coaches a la P Divvy. If we want achieve the kind of success we should be managing already. The next Bok coach needs to be tough as nails.
3 Jan 2012, 11:40 am
@Transformation-388: I’m at Melrose Arch, drinking beer watching the match
3 Jan 2012, 11:42 am
RSA
61/2
Same shi t, different venue.
3 Jan 2012, 11:43 am
@rangerman-382:
Moer hom.
He onbeskof.
Not worthy to be called a Lion.
3 Jan 2012, 11:44 am
@hendrikp-377:
No Hennie, Peter only Produced the Movie, and had little or no artistic input.
The Director was Neill Blomkamp, a Saffa living in Canada.
A very good movie in my humble opinion.
I hope Neill gets to make a “Return of the Prawn”.
3 Jan 2012, 11:44 am
@NZINCHINA-364:
Plumtree
Putt
Kennedy(& his son Ross)
Mitchell
Spencer(who has been quoted he doesnt want to go back to NZ-small place)
Lane(& son Sam plays for WP)
Les Kiss
Mains
etc
All above have plied trade in SA or currently doing so.
Already so early in new year you are talking sh*t
3 Jan 2012, 11:46 am
@stormer in a teacup-390:
Tough as nails ala Rudolph Straeuli……Refreshing
3 Jan 2012, 11:46 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-387:
Sorry Bakkies……………………………..That should read Cheetahs. Where are my manners.
3 Jan 2012, 11:47 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-391:
You are probably at Primi Piati sipping a girly drink out of a tea pot.
W hanker Kitty Cat.
3 Jan 2012, 11:51 am
@Dawn-393: @Mr Black-398:
Eish! Eina! Ouch!
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Not.
3 Jan 2012, 11:52 am
@mshiniwami-395: with Poppa having had his latest meltdown NZinCHINA wants to assume the title of ‘chief kiwi doos’ on the forum.
ngiyathemba uwuthole kahle unyaka omusha, ngikufisela okuhle kodwa s’bali.
3 Jan 2012, 11:52 am
Harris suits a conservative style.Imran is more likely to get you wickets. Webneed to be more aggressive. AB should be left to concentrate on his batting.
3 Jan 2012, 11:53 am
@mshiniwami-395:
True Msh,
NZ is an Exporter.
3 Jan 2012, 11:59 am
@Mish. Too true. A few other qualities, such as not being insane, are also required.
3 Jan 2012, 11:59 am
The problem with Kallis is with hid head … when he was a bles kop his batting was top notch … but since the hair implants it has affected his balance big time, and now it is as hot as hell under that helmet ….. Kallis, shave it off man, go bald.
3 Jan 2012, 12:03 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-404:
In other words, do like you do?
3 Jan 2012, 12:04 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-389:
he is nursing a snapped achilles tendon.
it was torn clean in two.
he tied it back together in a knot.
the knot is very tight.
toulon wil get good mileage out of him.
@Bad Santa cane-397:
3 Jan 2012, 12:04 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-404: lol…jacque the rug!
3 Jan 2012, 12:06 pm
@Dawn-405: there is nothing wrong asking for a no. 1 shave when it is summer.
3 Jan 2012, 12:08 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-389:
here are the good people of toulon come to see the wonderment that is bakkies botha in their droves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Org9QRUitaM
3 Jan 2012, 12:12 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-409: One of my favourite players of the last 10 years.
A great IMO.
3 Jan 2012, 12:12 pm
@hendrikp-371:
I wasn’t slagging SA I was stating the facts many international coaches would not go to SA because of its crime rate, it seems to have hit a nerve because it true. Its far safer in China than SA and NZ i’ve spent time in all three, you can’t slag the President but very unlikely your wife will get raped or you’ll get carjacked.
3 Jan 2012, 12:16 pm
Sanni Bin Williams is becoming a hit in the Muslim world. They wanna put him on the Top 500 Muslims wall. Soon they’ll be dictating what he should wear and how long he should grow his beard.
I am curious to see how fast he can run in a dress and flipflops.
3 Jan 2012, 12:17 pm
@Groot Wit Haai-412:
He’s a world champion muslim.
3 Jan 2012, 12:17 pm
@NZINCHINA-411: safer from who, the Yakuza or the Chinese govt?
3 Jan 2012, 12:18 pm
alviro shoving it up his detractors…
go boytie
3 Jan 2012, 12:19 pm
@Transformation-400: haha, compliments of the season transie!
what was poppas latest meltdown?
and who did the molesting this time, Heavens Game?
eish that poor guy just cant get enough.
nzinachinagirl is certainly struggling with his superiority complex of late, he needs to see doctor wingmybell and get it sorted sharpish!
3 Jan 2012, 12:19 pm
@NZINCHINA-411:
That’s why our wings run so fast…ever outrun the cops carrying a flat screen television and desktop computer boet…dis baie moeilik.
3 Jan 2012, 12:19 pm
Magtag
3 Jan 2012, 12:19 pm
@Transformation-415: i would have dropped Rudolf and Prince, but there you go,
Glad for Al.
3 Jan 2012, 12:20 pm
@Transformation-414:
The yakuza are Japanese so aren’t much of a problem in China, I doubt the Chinese government would carjack you.
3 Jan 2012, 12:20 pm
@mshiniwami-395:
@Transformation-400:
he has been a real chop lately.
3 Jan 2012, 12:22 pm
Smith has made his usual 0-20 odd runs. Just a few days ago he was predicting that 2012 would be a good year for Proteas cricket and all that.
3 Jan 2012, 12:23 pm
@NZINCHINA-411: many international coaches would not go to nz because its in the arse end of nowhere.
lovely place, lovely people (except you ya do o s
) but you cant argue with geography.
3 Jan 2012, 12:25 pm
so will rudolph the mediocre man get his marching orders?
3 Jan 2012, 12:25 pm
@rangerman-416: jakes & alviro putting on a show here!
3 Jan 2012, 12:25 pm
@rangerman-423:
The South Africans are willing to go to Oz and Europe but I don’t see anyone heading off to New Zealand to coach or play.
They just can’t pay enough.
3 Jan 2012, 12:26 pm
guys whats the batting scorecard pls?
who is out?
3 Jan 2012, 12:28 pm
@Transformation-415:
Ngiyabonga sbali. nawe ngiyathemba uwuhlukanise kahle unyaka wafika uphelele. Okuhle kuphela engikufisela khona kulonyaka omusha, Singaziyeke lezinja lana.
Lol
3 Jan 2012, 12:28 pm
@stormersboy-410:
absolutely, no doubt about it.
if he manages himself and is well managed in turn we could easily get another 3, 4 or 5 years out of him.
3 Jan 2012, 12:30 pm
@Transformation-425: alviros chance is looooong overdue imo.
prince must take a hike, rudolph too.
@Groot Wit Haai-426: well we certanly wont pay our coaches to coach their sides, we already subsidise their game enough.
but lets be honest, they are a great rugby nation.
3 Jan 2012, 12:32 pm
ooh, jakes is in a bad mood i see.
3 Jan 2012, 12:33 pm
SA cricket is a joke from Majola, to the Smith cabal, to Kirsten/Donald not changing jacksh*t etc
Was at Kingsmead Test,first time i went to a cricket game and they dished up nonsense.No wonder i never went to one before.I know the game,follow sporadically-same sh*t always.
3 Jan 2012, 12:35 pm
@mshiniwami-432: howzit mshini
ja i went as well but seriously bud, it gets a lot better than that.
kingsmead has been a letdown for the last few years, i dunno if these okes are hungover or what?
3 Jan 2012, 12:36 pm
ok, laters all!
3 Jan 2012, 12:36 pm
@rangerman-423:
NZ …………………………………..the Village at the end of the World,
that kicks your arsse’s.
8)
3 Jan 2012, 12:40 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-429:
I watched that link you posted.
If Bakkies smiled, his face would crack.
3 Jan 2012, 12:41 pm
426 very few of them would make it thats probably why
3 Jan 2012, 12:44 pm
@NZINCHINA-437:
All the best to you and double trouble for 2012 China.
8)
3 Jan 2012, 12:44 pm
@cane-436:
He doesn’t care. He “loves” Bakkies in a manly way, you know, the way men love other men.
Like in a sort of admiring way.
3 Jan 2012, 12:45 pm
@cane-436:
smiling is not allowed by the bakkies
he really generated a buzz though and i just loved all the girl groupies taking pics of him, unlike some of the ladies around here who seem to think him unflattering.
3 Jan 2012, 12:46 pm
@cane-438:
Did you just wish him double trouble?
3 Jan 2012, 12:46 pm
yes you know who you are…
3 Jan 2012, 12:47 pm
Thank dog I’m not a “girl groupie”
3 Jan 2012, 12:48 pm
@Dawn-439:
Hi Babe.
Happy New Year.
8)
3 Jan 2012, 12:49 pm
Yappy Hew Near to you too.
3 Jan 2012, 12:50 pm
@Dawn-441:
China knows what I mean.
His Double Trouble are bundles of joy.
3 Jan 2012, 12:51 pm
i would let my girlfriend be a ‘groupie’…
3 Jan 2012, 12:52 pm
and i would be proud…
3 Jan 2012, 12:52 pm
@cane-446:
Oh yes he has twins
Forgot!
3 Jan 2012, 12:54 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-447:
She would have to be OK with you being in love with Bakkies!
3 Jan 2012, 12:55 pm
@Dawn-450:
nothing will ever come between me and bakkies.
3 Jan 2012, 13:05 pm
man, if only he played in that game…
3 Jan 2012, 13:15 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-451: not even jimmy-hats or French letters …. if you know what I mean.
3 Jan 2012, 13:25 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-451:
Bakkies is to Rugby …………………..
What Adolf was to a United Europe.
What Richard Nixon was for Democracy.
What Pol Pot was to freedom of expression.
What Heavens Game is to Keo,
And what Diego Maradona is for Weight Watches
3 Jan 2012, 13:26 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-453:
Scary stuff…………………………………….
8)
3 Jan 2012, 13:28 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-453:
no, nothing like that.
our love is pure.
this is not new. the spartans could tell you all about it. its a thing…
3 Jan 2012, 13:32 pm
@mshiniwami-432:
I dont know hey Mshini, you cant look at a Kingsmead test in isolation and say that SA always play like that.
Tests there have been a heap of **** for a few years now.
Consistency is the biggest issue now. Improve the consistency of performances and this team will be great.
Kirsten and Donald have actually made a few very telling changes that have improved the side in my opinion.
1. Dropping Lopsy for Vernon. (huge results straight away.)
2. Experimenting with Marchant De Langa. (great prospect)
3. Getting rid of Prince(too late admittedly) for Peterson. (might have to look elsewhere if Rudolph fails again. JP maybe?
One or 2 more tweaks and this side will be very very good.
As I said, consistency is key. We should have beaten the Ausies 2-0, no doubt and should beat this SL side without a few of their frontline bowlers present.
3 Jan 2012, 13:34 pm
@Bad Santa cane-373: Did you watch the whole movie, I forced myself to watch the first 15 minutes and then just couldnt any more.
3 Jan 2012, 13:34 pm
@cane-454:
Guys I love:
Chris Gayle
Josh Hartnett
That Mentalist guy
and others too numerous to mention
Guys I hate:
This Haai person
mvk
extraball
and others too numerous to mention
3 Jan 2012, 13:35 pm
This Kallies is a big brekgat
Full of attitude
Strutting up and down here with his fake hair
3 Jan 2012, 13:37 pm
Feckit Cape Town is stunning today
3 Jan 2012, 13:37 pm
@cane-454:
mon dieu!
such blasphemy
watch it… watch it…
3 Jan 2012, 13:38 pm
@Dawn-459: at this moment … are you lying under a oke at Newlands?
3 Jan 2012, 13:39 pm
@cane-454:
He loves Bakkies
You may no speak such
3 Jan 2012, 13:45 pm
Sun is shining weather is sweet
Tourists are buzzing with smelly feet
3 Jan 2012, 13:47 pm
@John Galt-457: they just need to drop the useless captain!
3 Jan 2012, 14:03 pm
@John Galt-457:
It also looks like he’s released Kallis from his anchor role. Apart from his pair, I haven’t seen him so aggressive since he first appeared on the scene.
3 Jan 2012, 14:05 pm
@David-467:
Kallis is a fool
Only pulls it out at Newlands
That ain’t the only cricket ground in the world
3 Jan 2012, 14:08 pm
@Transformation-466:
he is to me what john smit is to grant.
3 Jan 2012, 14:11 pm
@Transformation-466:
Everyone keeps saying that but in all honesty who would you replace him with?
He’s still averaging 50 in tests and by all accounts is still feared and revered by most test sides. Along with Kallis, his wicket is still probably the most prized among opposition bowlers.
@David-467:
Yeah I think youre right. He tried to do this in the second test against the Ausies I think as well. Was very aggressive and made 50 odd then threw his wicket away. Good to see actually. Proving that he can seriously disrupt opposition bowlers rythms etc which all great batsmen are able to do.
3 Jan 2012, 14:14 pm
@cane-446:
Yip just starting to tear the place to pieces as well..
3 Jan 2012, 14:22 pm
@Dawn-468:
Youre just saying that because he can afford braces to close the gap between his front teeth.
3 Jan 2012, 14:24 pm
@John Galt-472:
Hasn’t worked for him.
He still has a gap.
And eyes that look in different directions.
And fake hair.
And a Newlands hard-on
3 Jan 2012, 14:30 pm
Wow
Never knew “hard-on” was allowed!
3 Jan 2012, 14:36 pm
RSA
200/2
3 Jan 2012, 15:09 pm
jakes gets his ton, alviro on 99*
this has been an enjoyable knock.
3 Jan 2012, 15:14 pm
@Transformation-476:
its called the rollercoaster.
they build themselves up nice and steady in one test, going up, up, up high…
and then in the next test… wait for it… wait for it…
3 Jan 2012, 15:23 pm
kallis got an average of like 57 or something, virtually unheard of for that amount of tests, he;s kak in the ODI game and about as slow as blok-hom-dood keppler, but let kallis go on playing tests til his 93 ekse so long as he getting big runs – look at gooch he played until he was a toppie, cricket not like rugby, they just park off and deliver…
3 Jan 2012, 15:40 pm
Eagles tickets. Check.
3 Jan 2012, 15:44 pm
@cab-478:
I think we’ll see a different Kallis under Kirsten.
Best for the New Year, Cab.
3 Jan 2012, 15:45 pm
@cab-478:
When JK bursted on the scene in 1994, he was an allarounder in ODI & the D&N series, had no credentials at the Test Level, merely the heir apparent to Adrian Kuiper
3 Jan 2012, 15:45 pm
No new articles since boxing day?
Poor showing by keo and his merry band of so-called journalists. Having a nice holiday are we boys?
3 Jan 2012, 15:46 pm
@cab-478: he’s also one of only 4 cricketers in history to have scored over 12000 test runs. Sachin, Ponting and Dravid being the other.
Plus Kallis has 270 test wickets.
Tough to call.
If you wanted to measure bastmen by the impact they have made on their teams performance, with match winning innings’ etc I’d be inclined to lean towards Ponting as the most influential of the 4.
3 Jan 2012, 15:53 pm
200 partnership up
3 Jan 2012, 16:05 pm
@stormersboy-484: and then…
3 Jan 2012, 16:07 pm
@David-480:
happy new year too you too.
wasn’t d’oliviera nearly 40 when debuting for england, something about age was wrong?
@Hondo-481:
yeah and what an allrounder he was, but he’s bowling def suffered over the years. kuiper could also klap a ball.
@stormersboy-483:
actually phenomenal record, yeah ponting also awesome, but cant be any bastsmen that could bowl like kallis too. he’s got a bit vet these days, but jeez i remeber a spell against the ozzies when he was lightning quick and literally bounched them all out in a ODI.
3 Jan 2012, 16:28 pm
@cab-486: Totally. he’s a 140km/h plus bowler when he puts his back into it, plus he has the reputation of bowling a “heavy” ball, i.e. one that hits the bat or gloves with a fair amount of momentum.
Wouldn’t like to be on the receiving end of one of his bouncers.
I used to train at the Sports Science Institute and used to see him training there quite a bit.
He’s a big guy up close.
3 Jan 2012, 16:35 pm
Happy new year to all the bloggers
@cab-486:
Kallis is our best test cricketer ever- nobody comes even close.
Re his “slow” batting; it must be seen against the background that he had to “carry” the SA batting for most of his career as he played during a period where SA did not really have any other world class batsmen (Smith at his best the exception). Other top players like Tendulkar, Dravid and Ponting had world class batsmen aound them (Laxman, Schewag, Waugh, Hayden etc) which means that they could play with much more freedom than Kallis.
3 Jan 2012, 16:45 pm
@Robzim-488:
Well said Rob and all the best for 2012.
I enjoyed the Bacher interview with Jacques played over the weekend. And he brought up Kallis’s record compared to Sobers. Phenomenal record. I’ve said this before that we only rate our superstars long after SA’s opponents do.
3 Jan 2012, 16:47 pm
Kallis is the John Smit of SA cricket.
Still delivers, maybe not as fast as before, yet people still call for his head.
3 Jan 2012, 17:18 pm
And Jakes gets 150 in his 150th test. How uncanny is that?
3 Jan 2012, 17:24 pm
@BULLET-490:
On the ESPN Cricinfo commentary, early in Jaques innings, one of them jokingly asked what the odds were on him making 150.
3 Jan 2012, 17:26 pm
@cab-486:
I think you’re refering to the Bloem ODI against the Windies after we were shot out for a low total. The Windies complained that all his bouncers were bad sportsmanship. That was a spell of fast bowling that ranks amongst the best I’ve seen.
3 Jan 2012, 18:12 pm
Howveryfeckingconvenient
150 in 150 tests at newlands.
3 Jan 2012, 18:30 pm
@Dawn-494: And tomorrow he gets to start all over again.
Who knows where it will end?
3 Jan 2012, 18:35 pm
@Dawn-494:
feckingmarvelous i thought.
And I saw your earlier post. We must make a plan.
3 Jan 2012, 18:38 pm
so last week he goes out for two ducks in one test stuffs his team in the eye and the rest go all fall down around him, then today gets through 3 lucky half chances and eventually settles down to a comfy slow boat to China stock standard 150 against mediocre bowling on his home turf pitch and suddenly he’s Mr glory boy can do no wrong deluxe all over again. Just like John Smit all about himself and stuff the team.
My most telling recollections of Jacques Kallis is how he cost SA not one but 3 chances at the ODI WC. If it was a game winner you wanted under those conditions Jacques Kallis was most certainly not it..
A tue test player yes, but the furthest idea of a game winning 50 overs player you could not find. Now watch it go to his head again and couple more ducks on the cards before the next heroic hero heralding innings gets everyone going goo goo gaga all over again.
Just like John Smit the worst spate of consecutive losses any Springbok captain could ever hope to boast about but in some dumb schmuck eyes the ultimate loser who brought the great Bok heritage to its knees still walks on water in spite of it..
3 Jan 2012, 18:41 pm
Only at Newlands. Nowhere else.
3 Jan 2012, 18:47 pm
@ashampoopaloo-497:
i thought you didn’t like the skittle sticks, skop?
but please, by all means please have a go at smith.
he’s a doos no doubt and pulling a john smit of note.
3 Jan 2012, 18:50 pm
@ashampoopaloo-497:
Yeah, skop. You’re into skittlesticks in a big way.
Love your work.
3 Jan 2012, 18:52 pm
@IAAS-489:
I saw a replay of the interview just now.
Interesting that he rated Wasim Akram as the best quick bowler he ever faced and that he rated Lara as better than Sachin. He also rated Warne as the best spinner he faced but that was probably an easy call to make.
He also seems a genuine humble and pleasant bloke who has already given a helluva lot of money back to the game and communities through the JK foundation.
3 Jan 2012, 18:55 pm
I see that the proteas are still a white boys club controlled by a new nazi leader in the form of Gary Kirsten.Piss-poor rudolph just got shafted down the batting order when obviously,in the form of duminy,there is a more talented and on form batsman available.
3 Jan 2012, 18:57 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-499:
He is having a go at Kallis (I think)
3 Jan 2012, 18:58 pm
just back from a great day at Newlands under the oaks….very cool…
3 Jan 2012, 18:58 pm
I see that the proteas are still a white boys club controlled by a new nazi leader in the form of Gary Kirsten.Piss-poor rudolph just got shafted down the
batting order when obviously,in the form of duminy,there is a more talented and on form batsman available.
3 Jan 2012, 18:58 pm
Ja let’s have a go at Biff.
3 Jan 2012, 18:59 pm
I see that the proteas are still a white boys club controlled by a new nazi leader in the form of Gary Kirsten.rudolph just got shafted down the
batting order when obviously,in the form of duminy,there is a more talented and on form batsman available.
3 Jan 2012, 19:00 pm
@Robzim-501:
And that Steve Waugh – who I admire greatly – said that on thorough analysis they couldn’t find a weakness in his game.
3 Jan 2012, 19:02 pm
Ja ja we saw it the first time.
3 Jan 2012, 19:04 pm
Duplicate mvk
Ugh
3 Jan 2012, 19:10 pm
its still a game for old f’arts to knit pick and natter about between snorts on the old brown sherry or gin and tonic with their toffee noses and pinkies stuck up high in the air while roasting their rhubarb coloured rumps out in the midday sun, hardly classified as a sport, just about beats croquet at the adrenaline enthusiasm excitement stakes
3 Jan 2012, 19:11 pm
@IAAS-508:
Steve and the rest of the Australian cricketing braintrust should have given Skopskiet a call
3 Jan 2012, 19:13 pm
Doing the same oke every night of the week in your line of work could also be construed as duplication ne prawny?
3 Jan 2012, 19:15 pm
@ashampoopaloo-511:
3 Jan 2012, 19:18 pm
Yeeesss. You sooooo right.
I bet I make way more money than you.
3 Jan 2012, 19:26 pm
I believe that England will dominate worl cricket for the next five years.until the proteas get rid of the white boys club they will not get close to the English.
3 Jan 2012, 19:27 pm
@mvk-513:
Notice how excited it gets about hard-ons. Scarey.
3 Jan 2012, 19:49 pm
mvk = mo3rse f*kken k*nt
At least he knows what he is. I don’t bother reading its posts anymore, unless I’m in the mood to troll the trolls
3 Jan 2012, 19:54 pm
@Robzim-503:
yes i know.
but i want him to tear smith a new one as well.
there’s the smell of a fbc in the cricket air.
3 Jan 2012, 19:58 pm
I see moerse ****** kont has a new buddy!
3 Jan 2012, 20:01 pm
Mvk meet your new nazi best friend!
3 Jan 2012, 20:06 pm
Helluvathing this… Many kgs of meat washed down with copious amounts of beer over the last coupla weeks… In the Persian Gulf too… So much for booze control in these here parts of our happy planet….
But a Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to all Keolings… Even the sheepshaggers…
Bring on the rugger and may 2012 be a better year than 2011…
As they say….As-Salamu `alaykumu…
3 Jan 2012, 20:07 pm
Lol we can sweat in Afrikaans on this site…stellar!
test:
****** moer kont japanese ******** nigerian
3 Jan 2012, 20:08 pm
test 2:
m@nkey moer kont Japanese dutchm@n Nigerian
3 Jan 2012, 20:09 pm
Bizarre….
3 Jan 2012, 20:13 pm
Yay sasori behave.
I am watching a budding romance unfold here.
Arch nazi-hater vs the supreme nazi.
3 Jan 2012, 20:16 pm
no good can come of this…
3 Jan 2012, 20:16 pm
You know what they say, opposites attract. But then again MVK will nail anything with 2 legs and a pulse.
Sorry for the profanity. I’m just amazed Afrikaans swearing isn’t censored but the word for an animal is…
3 Jan 2012, 20:17 pm
Match made in heaven
3 Jan 2012, 20:18 pm
..or 4 legs for that matter
3 Jan 2012, 20:19 pm
..or without a pulse probably.
3 Jan 2012, 20:23 pm
Anything goes!
3 Jan 2012, 20:35 pm
@Robzim-488:
yeah i think thats all true, his record cannot be beating and got a very sensible head, but we;ve had more naturally talented strikers of the ball. pollock and richards were alot better i think, but then again look at the difference between mark and steve waugh, the latter all mental, even cutback on some of his flashier shots.
@David-493:
lol, might have been the windies u right, probably still dunno what day of the week it is, unbelievable, cant remember seeing a more ferocious spell from any sa fast bowler since readmission, maybe donald on atherton. wonder why kallis stopped the bowling part, he saunters in for most of his career, but when he wants to can really let rip.
3 Jan 2012, 20:40 pm
dunno who is going to be the new Bok rugby coach, but could be a v interesting team picked this year with a whole bunch moving on. not sure its going to be all roses, but at least bismarck will start, which will straightaway boost the Boks by 20%.
3 Jan 2012, 20:42 pm
@cab-533:
He’s cut back on his bowling quite a bit or should I say is being better managed as his primary role is that of a batsman.
He is bowling shorter spells and at the age of 35 or so is still pushing them through at 140+.
And still scoring big tons.
3 Jan 2012, 20:43 pm
Well, Curtley Ambrose and Courtney Walsh he aint.
3 Jan 2012, 20:48 pm
@IAAS-535:
yes i suppose, still bowling above 140, **** thats not bad, couple year ago he was definitely medium pace in 130s i think.
@Dawn-536:
i reckon he was as quick as them for about 6 months of his career, but yeah he dont have that height, those windian buggers are born fastbowlers, great fast bowling attack ever was windian side of 80s, easily. And your man Gale has got one sweet eye on him for a cricket ball, but too much ganja he puffs, too laidback to be a great today.
3 Jan 2012, 21:07 pm
Leave the coolest guy in cricket alone.
He be ok.
3 Jan 2012, 21:28 pm
‘have you heard from Johannesburg’ documentary on the creation and dismantling of apartheid on SABC 2 , and another documentary about the role of church in missionary related anti apartheid movement on SABC 1 – watch them..
Yip opposite sides of the identically equal indoctrinated racist coin attracting in ironic like for like embrace
Die groot wit kokkorot saam met sy teenoorgestelde moedelose moegoe mede moddermuis maat in die selle struik sielige siekte wat so groot gatgabbas is dat hulle groot manslike dapperheid spul oor na hulle mede struid teen n eensame vreedsame vrou wys net hoe swaar die struid van rasistiese haat en slegte menslikheid oorweeg hulle identiese siek skokkende skildige skaamtes
3 Jan 2012, 21:31 pm
In response to post 19 …
So you say SA have beaten the AB’s more times during Henry’s reign that any other country…hmmm..not too sure about tat, yes, SA have beaten the AB’s but I think the record of who beat whom the most still sits with the AB’s over SA.
Up to 1996 (the start of the professional era) the record was SA 21 – AB’s 18, in the 39 games since then it is – AB’s 27 – SA 12…mighty impressive record I would say almost 3 to 1. But here is the rub, SA will always be a hard team to beat for any AB team but the AB’s do have the wood on SA – what 2012 brings we’ll have to wait and see but I would imagine it will be same old same old, yet SA have great new players around it is just that your coaching staff dont measure up. Sure if they ever do, it will be a mighty battle against your greatest foe. Anyway…let’s see what happens.
3 Jan 2012, 21:57 pm
@JohnPaul-540: uhm…..nz edukashin?
the boks see have beaten nz see more times than any other country see during teds 8 yrs in charge see.
clue: how many tests did the abs lose whilst ted was in charge?
another clue: how many of those losses were to the boks?
vok you kiwis take yourselves seriously which is hard to understand when you rigged a world cup to feel better about yourselves.
now wake up son, this is not the place to show your lack of brainpower, you will get torn to pieces.
p.s. 2012 brings the argies and a bit more travel for your laddies so climb out of yer a s s and lets see how it goes ok?
3 Jan 2012, 22:03 pm
yeah ABs are a great side, but if the bokke had picked the right players, i still reckon we could have taken them….sounds like sour grapes, but i’m pretty happy the ABs won it since they probably deserve it for years and all, but i still reckon A first choice Bok side could have given them an almighty going over in dunedin nogal.
3 Jan 2012, 22:23 pm
@JohnPaul-540: ok bud, i take back my harsh words.
you are clearly just not very bright.
have a pleasant lifewandering around in a daze but do try to suck the occasional poethklap sent your way regardless if you have no clue why ok?
cheers.
3 Jan 2012, 22:35 pm
@Robzim-488: I’d have to support your view on JK Rob((and a fine 2012 to you too before I forget). JK is nowhere near done and dusted. I’d put money on more records being broken from the man. He is pure genius with the bat and none too shabby with the ball. I’ve watched some great cricketers in my time but few top Mr Kallis. In fact; none that I can think of. For the record, he has the second highest number of sixes in Test matches, behind a Mr Gillcrest I believe(who has since retired) . His record is likely to be broken by the same gent many are rubbishing. Some people?
4 Jan 2012, 00:13 am
@ashampoopaloo-539:
baie snaaks skop, baie snaaks.
love your work hehehe
@rangerman-541:
@rangerman-543:
its like.. duh uh..?..
silly keewees, they can be so far up their own arsses somtimes that they dont even see compliments and mutual respect when its given.
love to beat them… and cannot stand to see the boks lose to any team other than them… they bring a moer of good game… boks vs ab’s… nothing like it.
anyway, the last thing i want is another kiwi going mental.
@JohnPaul-540:
i mean no offense jp, just a bit of wire pulling. feel fre to pull mine.
i’m sure you figured out what i in fact meant by now, right?
as ranger’s pointed out, in the last eight years the boks have beaten the all blacks the most of any other country and have in fact beaten them more times than the rest of the world put together.
this of course says a lot about the ab’s, but it also says something about the boks. here’s to a helluva good rivalry.
cheers.
4 Jan 2012, 05:16 am
During the Aussie -India test lunch-break I read with quite some amusement and annoying hilarity some of the cricket posts from about 450 forward. Nothing there in the distortions, and prop-ups and continuing delusions surprise me though.
Like grave-diggers, after a recent burial, coming back for the heirlooms of the dead they resurrect a dead and buried cricket topic of supposed “greatness” of the personification of a phlegmatic( do they know it stems from phlegm) batsman.
In the absence of the facts and truth from the genuine cognoscenti and connoisseur of sport the distortions, prop-ups and lies come across as compelling, but that is only in the absence of that truth which I will ensure is not, in fact, absent.
Are these fools above ‘experts’ or impostors, deserving of a newly coined word such as ‘muck-perts’?
I leave you to make that decision after I give you the unquestionable brilliance of my referred and preferred experts and greats of this code and in their own words and cogently supported by their wealthy experiences.
4 Jan 2012, 05:41 am
Before I do that, however, let me expose some of the easy prop-ups that seemingly bolster the original repetition of a mere commentator’s comment.
What was on the 9/12/11 in post 50 “… Smith and the greatest cricketer in SA’s history .. ” has now been modified to this “Kallis is our best test cricketer ever- nobody comes even close” in post 488 of 3/1/12.
Reminds me stunningly of all the various versions or modifications some ‘holy’ books have experienced to prop-up weak, unworthy and faulty notions, ideas and more.
Thus one sees that “greatest cricketer”(weak ODI and T20 stats) has not only become “best” but also “test cricketer” to deceitfully remove the weak ODI annd T20 non-supporting stats and the high standards really needed for use of the term “greatest”.
But this truth I put on the table is merely to expose the inherent distortion, dishonesty and such of the blind but not-thinking-matters-through hero-worshipper.
From here I will let the cognoscenti do their talking.
4 Jan 2012, 06:11 am
In case you so easily miss it, this article by Vice, ridicules and exposes the irony of APARTHEID:
The bonafide great who never was – the TITLE
Apartheid prevented Barry Richards from becoming a batting superstar, the next Bradman, even.- the sub-title
{{ To Donald Bradman, he was as good as Jack Hobbs or Len Hutton. To John Arlott, he was “a batsman of staggering talent”. To many who played with and against him, he was the most complete batsman they ever saw. To Robin Jackman, in his days as the heart of the Surrey attack, he was a reason to think about tennis.
“When the fixtures came out at the beginning of the season, one thing we always used to look at was whether we were playing Hampshire over the Wimbledon fortnight,” Jackman said. “Because if we were, there was very little chance that Barry would be playing. He managed to find a groin injury when Wimbledon was on.”
Along with Graeme Pollock, Barry Richards was the bonafide great who never was. Four Tests was all he had to prove himself before apartheid sentenced South Africa to 22 years of isolation. Richards, tall, wristy, implacable, possessed of feline grace and eyesight, took his chance, scoring 508 runs at 72.57 against the 1969-70 Australians. A surprise? Hardly. “Even before that series, everybody knew he was going to be a batting genius,” said Ali Bacher, South Africa’s captain in that famous rubber.
Richards scored a century before lunch nine times in his first-class career. That might have been 10 had Bacher not been bowled around his legs by Alan Connolly shortly before the interval on the first day against Australia at Kingsmead in 1970 as he tried to fangle a single to give the tyro the strike.
But Richards duly reached three figures in the first over after lunch, and he went on to score 140 in his most celebrated innings. In the first hour of that second session – perhaps the most storied 60 minutes in South Africa’s cricket history – Richards shared 103 runs with Pollock, who made 274, a monument that stood as the highest Test innings by a South African until 1999. “I don’t think this country has ever again seen batting like we saw that day,” Bacher said.
Besides batting up a storm, Richards proved the keenness of his cricketing brain by demystifying the bowling of Johnny Gleeson, the Australian spinner who was able to deliver offbreaks and legbreaks with no discernible change in his action.
“Whenever one of our Test batsmen came in during the Aussies’ matches against the provincial teams on that tour and Gleeson was bowling, he was immediately taken off,” Bacher said. “We never got a chance to see him before the series.” All would be revealed in the first Test in Cape Town.
“Trevor Goddard got out, and I came in, and immediately Gleeson was brought on from the Wynberg end. For the first two overs he made me look like a clown. When I thought it was the offbreak, it was the legbreak; when I was sure it was the legbreak, it was the offbreak.”
Bacher resolved to plonk his front foot down the pitch and heave Gleason over midwicket, which served him well enough in his innings of 57.
“That night we had a team meeting, and Barry told us how to play him. He said if we could see a lot of fingers on top of the ball, it was the offbreak. If we could only see the thumb and one finger, it was the legbreak. He took one look at him and worked him out, and for the rest of the series he ran down the wicket to Gleeson. The rest of us were still a bit wary – even Graeme Pollock played him from the crease – but Barry went after him.”
Gleeson took 19 wickets in that series – second among the Australians only to Connolly’s 20 – and his bag included the scalps of Goddard, Bacher, Pollock, Eddie Barlow and Lee Irvine. But not once did he dismiss Richards.
By the time Richards was done with first-class cricket, he owned 28,358 runs, 80 centuries and an average of 54.74 from 339 matches. If English bowlers didn’t know what was about to hit them when he arrived to play for Hampshire in 1968, they were fully appraised by the end of that summer. Richards topped the first-class run-scoring charts with 2395 at 47.90. In 10 years with Hampshire, he went past 1000 runs in all but one. He passed that milestone in 15 seasons all told.
Richards averaged 109.86 in the 1970-71 Sheffield Shield, in which he played for South Australia and became only the second man after Bradman to register a century against all opponents. Against Western Australia he scored 325 of his 356 – 198 in boundaries – in a single day against an attack that bristled with the varying threats posed by Graham McKenzie, Dennis Lillee, Tony Lock, Tony Mann, John Inverarity and Ian Brayshaw. At the WACA!
Impressive though those numbers are, the sum of Richards added up to much more than his parts. “He was technically perfect, but he still had the ability to really hurt you, whereas others who were technically very good but not as good as Barry – say a Boycott – you never felt were going to hurt you that much,” Jackman said. “They’d wear you down, hour after hour. But Barry could really turn it on when he felt like it. Sometimes he did it just because he felt like it.”
As a fast bowler for Western Province and then Rhodesia, as well as for Surrey, Jackman crossed swords with Richards on the county circuit as well as in South Africa’s Currie Cup.
“I used to regard it as an achievement if I bowled a maiden to him; that was my ultimate,” Jackman said. “Most of the time when I bowled to him, I’d have the new ball and he’d be opening the batting. Of course you’d have the right number of catchers, and there were some gaps in the field. So if you got through a few overs to him with and he hadn’t really scored, and you bowled a maiden to him, you felt like you were doing really well.”
Praise for Richards isn’t hard to come by. What sets Jackman’s words apart is that he was the most successful bowler in the game against the South African. In their 25 first-class matches together, Jackman dismissed Richards 16 times. John Shepherd, the Barbados-born former Rhodesian, Gloucestershire and Kent seamer, is second on the list with 13, also in 25 matches. In county cricket exclusively, John Snow, the former Sussex and Warwickshire spearhead, was Richards’ most lethal opponent, taking his wicket 10 times in 20 games.
Former Transvaal left-arm fast bowler Don Mackay-Coghill, one of the more successful South Africans against Richards, with eight first-class dismissals, had a habit of welcoming him to the crease by reminding him of the score in their personal duel: “Good morning, Barry. Six times now.”
But it’s the legends in which Richards was the good guy in the white hat that are better known. The story of him turning his bat sideways to play out an over with the edge – and that with a bat whose edges were much thinner than those of modern bats – is among the few South African cricket tales to have lived on into this era. He is also known to have imagined the ground as the face of a vast clock and hit six fours in an over, each of them scooting to a different part of the boundary in clockwise order.
Jackman: “When he played well, he didn’t necessarily play better on one day than another. You were just very happy when you got him out. He was simply a fabulous batsman. He and Gordon Greenidge made a formidable opening pair, and it wasn’t often you got an early breakthrough against Hampshire.”
After he retired, Richards coached South Australia to a Sheffield Shield final before becoming Queensland’s chief executive. They won the Sheffield Shield for the first time in their history on his watch. Richards has served as president of Hampshire and dabbled in international coaching on the Asian subcontinent.
All of which may make being Richards seem like the best job in the world. Not so, sometimes. He has known the searing pain of a son committing suicide, as well as the debilitating disintegration of a lengthy marriage. His truncated Test career “really hurts him”, said Jackman, who has spent time with Richards as a commentator. “When you’re that talented you want the world to see it, not a few guys watching at Southampton.” The fact that he fell 20 short of 100 first-class centuries is another bleak point, particularly as he had a reputation in county games for losing focus after sating himself with runs. Too many 70s and 80s that should have been converted were marooned in double figures. Astonishingly for so poised a player, he suffered with flat feet.
But the world according to cricket won’t remember Barry Richards for much of that. Instead, he will always be the man who might have been. }}
How many are rated higher than Bradman as a great cricketer and how many are rated higher than Arlott as a connoisseur and cognoscenti of cricket commentary?
Whose words hold more importance with me? The fools above or the greats quoted here?
4 Jan 2012, 06:36 am
In my responses on the 10/12/11 I made the claim that it is never just about pure statistics and another great Indian writer and connoisseur feels more strongly about that smaal matter too as shown in his article:
Much more than the numbers – Title
Barry Richards hardly got any opportunities to show his talent on the international stage, but he still managed to prove how great a batsman he – sub-title
S Rajesh
(( The biggest compliment to Barry Richards, in the context of the Legends of Cricket series, is the fact that he finds a place in this elite list despite having played a mere four Test matches. In those four Tests – all in a home series against Australia – Richards gave more than a glimpse of just what international world cricket was missing, but his reputation as one of the very best batsmen to ever play the game was built mostly on his exploits in first-class matches – where he played mainly for Hampshire, Natal and South Australia – and, of course, in Kerry Packer’s World Series Cricket. Richards finished with a first-class tally of 28,358 runs, 80 centuries and an average of 54.74, but even these numbers don’t do full justice to the sort of batsman he was. Here’s a sample of some of his first-class achievements:
• Between 1968 and 1976, when Richards played in the English county championship for Hampshire, his average in the competition was in the top 20 in each season. During this period he scored 15,607 first-class runs for the county at an average of 50.51.
• Three times he carried his bat through a completed innings in first-class cricket, including an instance for Hampshire against Nottinghamshire in 1974, when he scored an unbeaten 225 out of a team total of only 344.
• His highest first-class score of 356 came in 1970-71 for South Australia against Western Australia, a team whose bowling attack included Dennis Lillee, Graham McKenzie and Tony Lock. Of the 356, 325 came in one day, off a mere 322 balls, as Richards slammed 44 fours and a six. Only five players had scored more than 325 in a day in first-class cricket anywhere in the world, and Richards became the third batsman to score 300 in a day in Australian first-class history.
• Nine times he scored a century before lunch; five of those were made on the first day of the match.
• During his time with Natal, he scored four centuries in a season four times.
And then, of course, there were Richards’ classy performances in World Series Cricket. His knocks in first-class cricket had made him a much sought-after name, and the deal was clinched when he went to Perth to play league cricket for Midland-Guildford in the 1976-77 season. As he confirmed later, money wasn’t the main reason he signed on the dotted line: “The money was only incidental to a last opportunity to play in the company of world-class cricketers again.”
In the first of the three Supertests he played that season for WSC World XI, in Sydney, Richards got starts in both innings but couldn’t convert them into huge scores, scoring 57 and 48. Then came a truly magnificent display in the second match, which justified all the hype. Opening the innings with his Hampshire team-mate Gordon Greenidge, Richards scored a wonderful 207, adding 234 for the opening wicket before Greenidge was forced to retire hurt. That brought the other great Richards, Viv, to the wicket, and for the next few hours the Australian bowlers didn’t know what hit them. Viv was generally a more destructive batsman, but on this day Barry outshone him, scoring 93 in the next 90 minutes, even as Viv made only 41. When Barry finally fell, the scoreboard read 369 for 1 in 60 eight-ball overs.
In the next Supertest, Barry made a half-century in the first innings but fell for a duck in the second as WSC World XI, chasing 272 for victory, fell 41 runs short. He finished the three matches with an aggregate of 388 runs in five innings, second only to Viv’s 502. (Click here for more details.)
In the next season there was another Richards special, this time in the final of the World Series Supertests: in a tense, low-scoring game, where neither team had scored more than 219, WSC World XI needed to score 224 in the fourth innings. Richards stamped his presence on the chase with an outstanding unbeaten 101; the next-highest score from one of his team-mates in either innings was 44. At 84 for 4 the Australians had a slight edge, but Richards took on Dennis Lillee and Gary Gilmour and ultimately led his team to a five-wicket win.
Overall Barry Richards played only five Supertests, but he clearly left his mark – in eight innings he scored two hundreds and two fifties and averaged almost 80, which was easily the highest. Since he wasn’t from Australia or West Indies he didn’t play as many matches as the others, but that’s hardly his fault.
Performance of top batsmen in World Series Cricket
Batsman
Team
Matches
Innings
Runs
100
50
Average
Barry Richards
World XI
5
8
554
2
2
79.14
Vivian Richards
West Indies and World XI
14
25
1281
4
4
55.69
Greg Chappell
Australia
14
26
1415
5
4
56.60
David Hookes
Australia
12
22
769
1
7
38.45
Clive Lloyd
West Indies and World XI
13
21
683
1
3
37.94
Gordon Greenidge
West Indies and World XI
13
23
754
1
4
35.90
Ian Chappell
Australia
14
27
893
1
5
35.72
However, in the one-dayers, called the International Cup ODIs, Richards wasn’t as successful, averaging less than 24 and scoring only two half-centuries in 19 innings. As the table below shows, though, most of the other top players didn’t do much better either.
How the major batsmen fared in the International Cup ODIs
Batsman
Matches
Runs
Average
100s/ 50s
Gordon Greenidge
24
694
36.53
0/ 6
Greg Chappell
24
705
30.65
0/ 3
Ian Chappell
21
456
25.33
0/ 2
Clive Lloyd
24
423
24.88
0/ 3
Barry Richards
19
455
23.95
0/ 2
Viv Richards
25
472
23.60
0/ 4
Zaheer Abbas
14
266
20.46
0/ 1
And then, of course, there was the small matter of his Test record. Richards got only seven innings to prove his class in Test cricket, but he did a pretty good job of utilising those chances. His opponents in all those four Tests were Australia, who came into the series having won their two previous ones, against West Indies at home and India in India. In South Africa, though, they were no match for the home team, and Richards did his bit to vanquish the visitors. Against a bowling attack that included Garth McKenzie, Alan Connolly and John Gleeson, Richards scored 508 runs at an average of 72.57. Only Graeme Pollock made more runs – he topped the averages with 517 runs at 73.85.
Richards scored only 29 in his first Test innings, in Cape Town, but that was to be his lowest score, as he went from strength to strength in his next three matches. His best innings of the series came in the next Test, in Durban, when he scored an outstanding 140 off a mere 164 balls, completely dominating the Australians. Just how unstoppable he was is apparent from the fact that out of a lunchtime score of 126 for 2 on the first day, Richards’ contribution was an unbeaten 94. Six more runs would have made him the fourth batsman at the time, and the fifth overall, to score a century before lunch on the first day of a Test. After lunch the South African fans were treated to some of the best strokeplay seen in the country: Richards and Pollock creamed 103 runs in the hour after the break, before Richards fell for 140. Pollock went on to score 274, and the Australians were crushed by an innings and 129 runs.
In the next Test, Richards scored 65 and 35, before finishing off the series with knocks of 81 and 126; South Africa swept both Tests by more than 300 runs. That series could have kickstarted a phenomenal Test career. Unfortunately for cricket, South Africa’s isolation meant Richards joined a select band of players to have scored a century in their last Test match. }}
What better substantiation or motivation of a case can one ask for than from this scribe?
4 Jan 2012, 07:08 am
And then the GREAT Richards gives his greats and who am I or you louts to argue against his experience in this field?
He surely would have been a Sir Richards too if your herrenvolk was not so ‘verkrampt’ enough to take S.A. out of the Commonwealth and convert it into the odious apartheid republic that gave you all so many,many benefits which you now vehemently try to deny.
Barry Richrds – in his own words:
‘Batting should entertain’
In July’s issue of Wisden Asia Cricket, Barry Richards talks about what goes into the making of a great batsman, and his nominees for the finest exponents of the craft. Excerpts:
{{ On what makes a good batsman
I suppose everybody has their own definition. There are those who prefer the Geoff Boycotts and the Sunny Gavaskars – batsmen with a great defence, who wear down bowlers. My definition is a bit different – to me it’s about domination and being able to assert yourself in a reasonably good time. This requires skill, obviously, and it requires precise footwork and the ability to simplify things. To me it’s not about an endless procession of letting balls go to see what the bounce is like, what the weather’s like and so on.
…Someone like Sachin [Tendulkar], he’s got enormous skill, he’s got a simple technique, he’s not complicated with his shot-making, and he’s got belief in his own ability. He has all the constituents of a good batsman.
…I think the ability to analyse your game and overcome your shortcomings is very important. You don’t always have to be brilliant, but if you have a deficiency, you have to develop the ability to not get out because of it. That requires practice, skill, dedication and all the other things that everybody who is at the very top of his field requires.
On the batsmen he considers ‘great’
Garry Sobers, Graeme Pollock, Viv Richards. And Sachin Tendulkar. I think Brian Lara has got the skill to be a great, but whether he has got the drive I am not sure. He is up and down. To me, someone like Sachin is more consistent and really wants it more. He’s a more complete package. In my lifetime nobody springs to mind apart from these names.
…When I think of Graeme, I think of timing and domination. The sheer domination of the man – not just the high volume of runs, but also the speed at which he got them – was incredible. He hit the gaps better than any player I have seen in my life, including Sachin. I mean, you might as well have had stones as fielders – hit the stone, you get nothing; miss the stone, you get four.
I never saw bowlers containing Graeme. I remember he once got a 124 at the Wanderers in 1975-76 and even Dennis Lillee (playing for the International Wanderers) was being taken for six runs an over. Graeme didn’t look like he was taking a risk, but every over, relentlessly, he’d whack a four somewhere. They said he didn’t play the bouncer very well, and he probably didn’t, but he would find a way to get a four. If nothing, he had that little short-arm jab over midwicket.
…Garry was more a back-foot player. He was not quite as tall as Graeme, and he played the short ball much better than Graeme ever did. Garry was all flourish, and with that extravagant back-lift he used to just power the ball away. He’d back himself in all situations, in all conditions. He had this great ability to play the ball late, to be able to adjust if it spun or swung away from him. And he had great wrists. Graeme was much more of a through-the-line hitter; Garry was more flourish with the wrists. You could think of Graeme as a Matthew Hayden, but a much better timer. Sachin is also like Graeme in terms of those short-arm punches. Garry was more a Lara type.
…Viv was awesome; at times you just couldn’t bowl to him. During World Series Cricket (WSC) he was at his peak, and I was on the decline, getting towards my middle-30s, and he played some fantastic knocks against some of the world’s quickest bowlers.
…Viv used to swagger. He used to do it on purpose. It was all that body language on the field working for him. When I think of Viv Richards, I think of arrogance at the crease. That was his way of dominating the bowler. His confrontations with Lillee during WSC were fantastic. Both used to bristle with belief in their own ability. It was a great contest. Very fascinating.
On modern cricket
…All you have to do on a lot of surfaces [these days] is hit through the line. I mean, on some of the pitches you have to be a blind man to miss the ball. You very rarely see the ball seaming; you very seldom see it swinging. The only time you see severe swing nowadays is reverse swing, though that could be because of the ball manufacturers.
I really don’t mind seeing a low-scoring game once in a while – a 110- or 120-game – if there is quality bowling on view. I fear for the general status of bowlers. You’ve got half-a-dozen quality bowlers at the moment, but if you took them out of world cricket there wouldn’t be much left.
What also worries me is the increased weightage to stats and figures nowadays. They don’t tell the full story. Adam Gilchrist, for example, doesn’t get the kudos as a batsman that some of the others do, and yet to me he has got an entertainment value and that’s what’s counts. How do you laud a chap like Gilchrist who encourages so many kids to play the game, so many people to be interested in the game, but his [one-day] average is only 34? On the other hand, you get somebody who’s bored the pants off the people, driven them away from grounds, little kids wouldn’t go near him and he’s averaging much higher.
…I don’t really know how players wield the heavy bats they use these days. And it makes you think about the slowness of the tracks. I just couldn’t think of anybody, even Viv, hooking Lillee and [Jeff] Thomson with a three-pound bat. I used a two-seven. I suppose someone like Sachin, since he is short and he holds it right near the bottom, has more ability to manipulate it. I’m sure Gilchrist couldn’t use a three-pounder with his grip, high on the handle. I think the trend started because of the wickets in the subcontinent, which are not quick enough; the batsman needs to generate the pace on the ball himself. It’s also because the guys train more nowadays and are stronger.
…You also don’t see too many horizontals [horizontal bat shots], which is a pity because it’s a very exciting part of the game. }}
He names all the players I consider ‘great’ except that I have him high in my top 6 list too.
NOTE THESE WORDS OF THE GREAT RICHARDS, BARRY:
” In my lifetime nobody springs to mind apart from these names. ”
Remember Richards is alive and well, somewhere in the Southern Cape area and permanently in S.Africa.
Since I am flying out in a couple of days I am not interested in your queries. Address them to the likes of Bradman, Arlott, Tice, Ramesh and Richards whether they are dead or alive.
This first week of cricket in 2012 seems to be for the golden oldies. All that is needed now is for Tendulkar, Dravid, Sanga., Samara. and Jayawa. to score anywhere between 150 and 300 runs.
I will surely miss some of that.
4 Jan 2012, 07:12 am
And the lazy Africans are still asleep smelling their f arts and missing all the good cricket.
Yet they dare to behave like smartarses? Only in S.Africa can that be expected.
4 Jan 2012, 07:34 am
The great Arlott enjoyed using the word phlegmatic to describe the likes of Boycott, Barrington, Baily, Gavaskar and many more.
‘Karless’ is somewhere between Boycott and Baily despite the deliberate ‘fixing’ of the 2nd and 3rd tests against these unpaid(6 months) Sri Lankans with their 3rd tier bowlers- no Malinga, Mendis and more and an injured Matthews and retired Murali and Jayasuriya.
What better odds would you get for a ‘Karless’ pair, or a Sri Lankan win in the 2nd test or a 7 for on debut for De Lange, or double 50s for Chandimal on debut or the 9 wkts for Herath or a 150 in his 150th match for ‘Karless’ at Newlands.
The lack of pay for the Lankans is not a problem if you can make it with the huge odds for the things I name at the global ‘bookies’?
Now we just need Sanga., Jayawa. and Samara to scoe 100 plus each.
Amazing how few made a play on the ‘Karless’ pair or the fact that Welege. should have caught him with his score only 1, if he was not dreaming of those Boero boobs he kept seeing in the deep. It is all a big fix and Indian ten cricket posters say he had money on ‘Karless’ making a strong 100 plus.
4 Jan 2012, 08:10 am
May 2012 bring everyone al the success, health, happiness and love they deserve…!
You know ET… people often prescribe to others what they know within themselves…
you insist you are the honest one… and that all those you castigate are dishonest and racist… you are so keen to prove your ‘worthiness’ that you lump everyone into the same basket, as most bigots do, and tar everyone with the same brush… you’re too lazy and intellectually challenged to discern the differences of belief, attitude and perception of the individuals you throw together… it’s far easier simply to squeeze everyone into one little pigeonhole…
you go on about kallis and declare that anyone who offers support to him is some kind of heinous beast… you go on about barry richards as if this new-found revelation of yours is news to us…
several of us… in the thread to which you refer… offered our opinions that barry richards was indeed the best batsman (in our opinions) that south africa had ever produced… indeed i said at the time he was as much a victim of apartheid as was basil d’oliveira… (though obviously for diametrically opposed reasons…)
we didn’t need an article by telford vice to inform our opinions…
yet you only regurgitate what… in your opinion… demonstrates your belief that everyone on keo is limited in their thinking and racist in their beliefs… (neither of which is true…) but the fact that you squirrel away posts by bloggers for later use that only ‘reveal’ one perspective skews even your truth and certainly diminishes the credibility you so obviously crave…
how honest is that…? only presenting half the ‘facts’…?
and no… i’m not looking for your approval at all… i simply bring it up to show that, as stated above people see in others what they know within themselves… and your insistence that everyone here is dishonest and racist simply paints your own portrait…
and at the end of the day… this blog is a forum upon which people can express their opinions… believing kallis or richards is our best batsman… or smit or du pleases is/was our best hooker… is just each poster’s opinion… to which we are all entitled… trying to read more into that really just does demonstrate your own narrow outlook and bitter agenda…
4 Jan 2012, 08:18 am
and… oh yes…
may 2012 be the year of the stormers and wp…!!???
finally…!!
please…!!!
4 Jan 2012, 08:29 am
@ufo-553:
Great post.
4 Jan 2012, 08:31 am
@ufo-553:
a well said and thoroughly cogent counterargument, as well as a set of points.
however, i can only say that in my time spent here i have accepted that ‘all brick walls are equal’ and that no matter the approach, one still come off second best when running into it.
my point being, it’s usually almost always and without fail. futile. when this is my point of departure it’s then just a matter of deciding if i feel like running into one or two brick walls on any given day, or not.
i suspect you have today chosen too…
4 Jan 2012, 08:32 am
M Clarke – 251 (342) / not out.
What a knock!
4 Jan 2012, 08:33 am
@ufo-554:
that makes no sense..?…
every year is the stormers year…
4 Jan 2012, 08:40 am
@Mr Black-555:
thank you
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-556:
hehehe…
how you man…? had a good break…?
thing is… you really don’t have to run into any brick walls… (which is perhaps more than it deserves…) you can simply put your writing on the wall and walk on by leaving the immovable wall as you move forward onto other things…
i’m not trying to change the world or et or any thing or any one…
just putting in my tuppence worth…
et can take it or leave it… the weather outside will still be the same either way…!!
anyway outta here as work calls…
great day to everyone…!
congratulations to clarke… didn’t see it… but awesome innings…!!
4 Jan 2012, 08:43 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-558:
hehehe…
too true….!!!
we keep coming back like moths to a flame… are we the most loyal supporters…? or the most dof…??
hang on… don’t answer…
hopefully THIS year really is…!!
can feel it in ma bonez…!!
later…!!
4 Jan 2012, 08:48 am
oh and, et i’m calling you a brick wall in the nicest possible sense of the term and mean no offense. i know that in your heart of hearts you actually mean well or otherwise you would not be here.
my advice is that you need to work on your ‘madiba magic’ skills more as this imo is a far better way to reach people, as opposed to taking a ‘high falutin, dismissive while being deeply ensconced in ignorance and a tad of bigotry’ type of ‘his excellency the great president for life and first executive head of council his grace robert mugabe’ sort of attitude.
use it dont use it
just dont shoot the messenger
4 Jan 2012, 08:52 am
@ufo-560:
cheers
4 Jan 2012, 09:05 am
terrible story this:
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/7-appear-after-sangoma-s-murder-1.1207478
basically a two year old child goes missing. a security guard claiming to be a prophet then leads the family and members of the community in a search for the child and in the act implicates an arbitrary sangoma. the security guard however, then runs away as the child is not found.
the community and possibly the family as well then stone the sangoma to death and also severely assault the security guard to an inch of his life once they had found him.
a day or two later the child’s mother calls the cops to say that the child had been found and was apparently taken (for an outing perhaps? who knows) by another family member who had not informed the mother.
three men are arrested for the murder of the sangoma and four for the attempted murder of the security guard.
4 Jan 2012, 09:26 am
Finally I am unbanned/relogged or whatever.
The woes of trying to get in here whilst the midget and his two stooges are still sunning their ample bellies in Plett….
4 Jan 2012, 09:30 am
@Dawn-520:
New year and the same wrinkled old trolls on keo.
You haven’t drunk yourself into ICU yet you lonely old sow?
4 Jan 2012, 10:28 am
What is extraball blathering about now.
4 Jan 2012, 10:29 am
@Great White Oke-565:
Hey
Don’t blame me for your new-found mvk bromance.
Not my problem!
4 Jan 2012, 11:05 am
Seeing as this is a rugby blog.
I’m looking forward to seeing who is appointed as Springbok coach. Will be surprised if it isn’t Gert Smal – a choice I’d be satisfied with. You can argue that he’s not the best candidate, but I think he’s got it in him to take us back to the top. Seems the ideal candidate to make thought-out, mature decisions and has a lot of experience coaching at the top level.
Also looking forward to seeing how the Cheetahs and Lions perform. I’m thinking the Cheetahs will almost surely finish in the top 3 SA teams… while I don’t think the Lions can repeat what they did in the CC.
Battles for Springbok selections I’m looking forward to are:
1. Beast Mtawarira vs Coenie Oosthuizen vs (possibly Gurthro Steenkamp) – It should only be a matter of time before the jersey goes to Coenie for the long run, while the Beast will need to step up his role off the ball if he wants to maintain the jersey. Nice to see the other teams also all have good loose-heads.
4. Flip van der Merwe vs Rynhardt Elstadt – One I think Flip will probably win with some convincing performances, but if Elstadt keeps it up he might well convince the new coach to take 4 locks (with 4 loose-forwards & Elstadt) seeing as the loose-trio is pretty well established.
7. Battle for the 5th loose-forward spot, if there is one.
9. Morne Steyn vs Elton Jantjies vs Johan Goosen vs (maybe even Pat Lambie). Something tells me Morne will take the Bulls far enough in Super Rugby to force his inclusion. I don’t think Jantjies will ever be a long-term option for the Boks in the 10 jersey, but another who may deserve it if he performs in SR – I’m not holding my breath. And if Johan Goosen is anything as good as I reckon he will be, he will be the incumbent sooner or later. With Pat, it really depends on how the Sharks manage him you’d think.
11. Gio Aplon vs Bryan Habana vs Lwazi Mvovo – I’d go for the first two, but heck if Mvovo scored 8+ tries in Super Rugby it’d be hard for them not to give him a decent run.
13. Johann Sadie vs Juan de Jongh – Sadie another who I think will shine. He’ll be a huge reason why Steyn will maintain his spot in the Springbok squad… having more weapons outside him will only make him look better. Will be an interesting battle between the two.
15. Patrick Lambie vs Jaco Taute – Think Taute still has a lot of work to do, especially his decision making at the back, picking his opportunities better etc. At the moment he just seems a bit too much offense, and needs to be reigned in just a tad. I understand that argument for him being a better attacking player then Lambie, but also think the correct game-plan will give Lambie more opportunities with ball in hand and a few more good performances at the back (and how the Sharks handle him) will mean him establishing himself in the position.
4 Jan 2012, 11:18 am
@hendrikp-568:
I think you should take over website from those lardasses still using a full bottle of suntan lotion each application on their 6 chins down at Plett.
I have one small question for you. Why Gert Smal? Why is everyone rating him? What has he ever done on the management side to even remotely justify the appointment to the position?? Is the forward coaching role of moderate lil ol Ireland a benchmark?
Personally, I remain confused about the fact that his name is even MENTIONED under the circumstances
4 Jan 2012, 11:37 am
@Bod-569:
Bod, I think most people support the one they they can best relate to, or think the players can best relate to.
Gert has a good record as a head coach – not outstanding like Heyneke Meyer, but he didn’t have the same tools to work with either.
You’d really need a thorough debate with him to better understand what he would do to take the Boks forward, but I enjoyed what he did with WP & the Stormers at the time and think his experience will make him all the better.
In the ideal world I’d hand the job to a Nick Mallett who isn’t holding a grudge… who comes into the job with the right attitude, but I think that’s unrealistic.
4 Jan 2012, 11:47 am
so skittle sticks once again proves what an outright abysmal boring waste of time of a game it is, 400 boring runs later 2 entire boring days of nothing happening like mad dogs baying for dry bones out in the midday sun, and this skittish non event of absolute boredom winds out to a boring draw, which was probably a fixed result before any calls were bowled in anger on day one
4 Jan 2012, 11:49 am
King Kallis gives his detractors the middle finger ‘again’!
4 Jan 2012, 11:51 am
@ashampoopaloo-571:
So why are you watching it then and not popping on a roof or two??
4 Jan 2012, 11:52 am
@Bod-569: apparently gert authored a development program for black forward players in the eastern cape
how successful it would’ve been nobody knows.
apparently outsmarting the boks in ’09 eoyt, winning the grand slam & an improved performance @ the world cup qualify gert to take over the Bok job.
4 Jan 2012, 11:55 am
@hendrikp-570:
I am not just convinced with him at all, bearing in mind he always had Carel working with and providing the real spark with him at Province.
I still think he should always be remembered for the finest punch ever throen on a rugby field and not for another abysmal failure on the Bok coaching front
But thats just my humble opinion.
4 Jan 2012, 12:00 pm
@Bod-575:
hehehe…
not sure gary knight would agree with you….
maybe if gert was chosen… he’d bring back carel as his 2IC…
now THAT’s as ticket that would get my vote…!
congratulations to kallis on number 2 number 200 too….!!
4 Jan 2012, 12:00 pm
@Transformation-574:
Exactomundo… I dont know why I even bother to comment or even think when it comes to Bok rugby.
Even the goings on at Levante make more sense
4 Jan 2012, 12:03 pm
@ufo-576:
Yip, I can still picture it like it happened yesterday
Gary Knight went down like the Bismarck…
4 Jan 2012, 12:05 pm
I’m sitting having coffee in the wimpy bar and just watched this mammoth performance of outright guts and character skittling away his gimme easy peasy nothing doing fixed boring double century as if it was such a tough arduous task against perhaps the most toothless bowling attack anyone could ever have dreamt up. Now watch AB De Villiers do the same and this non eventful non dimensional boring nonentity of an old mans excuse for a sport wind out to a boring draw
4 Jan 2012, 12:06 pm
@Transformation-574:
wow!
you make him sound like woodward.
a coach with a few highlights on his cv in an otherwise lengthy career spanning from the time of the groot krokodil to the days of the groot poligame leier.
when you filter out the signal you are left with the noise…
4 Jan 2012, 12:07 pm
Congrats Jacques on your second double ton!
@ashampoopaloo-579:
4 Jan 2012, 12:27 pm
‘Old men’ don’t run a half marathon a day for five like test bowlers do… ‘old men’ do however comment on topics they have no clue about though…
4 Jan 2012, 12:28 pm
@Bod-578:
yeah man… me too… agree with you… one of the best punches ever thrown… period… let alone on a rugby field…!!
i really rated gert as a player… hard man in the bakkies, brad throne mold… took no prisoners…
remember in the one test against the cavaliers when he scored a try… craig greene (i think… good player too) (or could’ve been kieren crowley) ran around to stop gert scoring close to the posts… most players wouldn’t dice with karma and just dot down… gert dismissively barrels into and over greene and dots the ball down…
enjoyed that…
as far as coaching goes… i know it’s not at top level… but he also did really well with border and took a bunch of no-names and made them into a fairly good competitive unit that did okay in the lower section… that’s what got him the province appointment…
point being… he was recognized then as having the ability and know-how to guide, direct and lead players to achieve above their expectations… imagine if he could do that with the boks…
also met him a couple of times (when he was still playing… and he really is a good guy… uncomplicated, honest, straight forward, no-nonsense no bullshit guy…
is he the best for the job…? i dunno…
but we could do a lot worse than gert…
4 Jan 2012, 12:36 pm
This is SUCH bulls.hit!
I cant get myself to buy this magazine, and I have been for 5 years.
APLON is 30 years old!
You just lost credibility BIG TIME.
4 Jan 2012, 12:48 pm
skill my foot, tennis takes skill, ping pong takes skill, badminton takes skill, lawn bowls takes skill even that other boring excuse of an old mans sport golf takes some skill. Skittle sticks takes a missed nick here a squint umpire there, a dropped catch or two and an ego the size of king kong not to mention some mad dog genetic disorder and some serious affliction of insanity to be standing out in the midday sun for 5 whole entire days without a result to show for your trouble
4 Jan 2012, 12:53 pm
578 what about the b itch slap that dropped Brussow at the WC that was a mighty blow?
4 Jan 2012, 13:04 pm
@NZINCHINA-586:
My name is Bod, not 578….. geddit China?
Thats the problem with you Kiwi pooftahs… you hail a ***** slap and not a proper punch.
Brussow was ***** slapped and laughed about it. Knight was punched and woke up in Cloud Cukooland 5 minutes later…. man down, starry eyed, dizzy Kiwi…. bewtiful!
4 Jan 2012, 13:07 pm
It was one of the finest b itch slaps to ever drop a Bokke.
4 Jan 2012, 13:08 pm
@ufo-583:
Still not convinced about Gert. As much as it pains me, we have to go for Tacs gatgabba Meyer…. the best of a bad bunch.
How we are reduced to such an awful shortlist is still beyond me, but lets move on
4 Jan 2012, 13:13 pm
@Bod-589:
you’re quite right…
said a while ago meyer would most probably be the best guy for the job…
i’m really not fussed about who eventually gets it… don’t feel that strongly about any particular prospects…
my first choice would’ve been john kirwan… but realize obviously it would never happen…
4 Jan 2012, 13:14 pm
4 Jan 2012, 13:23 pm
@NZINCHINA-588:
you know we’re not allowed to hit back, so whats your point?
we have to play you with our hands tied because its a fix.
‘get the japies’..?…
how we manage to moer you the times that we do is the amazing thing.
4 Jan 2012, 13:23 pm
best acting on rugby field ever….SBW… when he dived up in2 the air and fell on the ground. the day he lost credability.
4 Jan 2012, 13:25 pm
@ufo-590:
Ja, I see you have had this lone crusade for Kirwan… Interesting idea.
I reckon the Bulls need him more than anyone else right now. Now theres an idea for you…
4 Jan 2012, 13:27 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-592:
There again, Brussow could have b itch slapped him back…. but thats a Kiwi thang.
Lets leave that to them
4 Jan 2012, 13:28 pm
@NZINCHINA-588: whats wong china, you have tooooooo muchee anger?
why you no go do some tai chi in the park?
is it still legal?
4 Jan 2012, 13:29 pm
where is poppa?
he must be on leave.
4 Jan 2012, 13:31 pm
@NZINCHINA-588: horse walks into a bar in china and says…..why the wong face….badish!
ok that was in poor taste, not all wongs look alike.
4 Jan 2012, 13:31 pm
I’m waiting for ” get the Japies II” to be released Paddy and Joubert are drafting it now, Bryce is proof reading it.
4 Jan 2012, 13:34 pm
598 thats not bad taste around here you’ll get plenty of laughs i’m sure
4 Jan 2012, 13:36 pm
600 dont be sensitive now bud, lets celebrate the worlds diversity.
4 Jan 2012, 13:37 pm
@rangerman-597:
Now that we lost Panty and Poppa is in padded cell recovering from meltdown, NZChina is fighting alone.
Give him some leeway!
4 Jan 2012, 13:38 pm
599 so you admit the first one?
4 Jan 2012, 13:38 pm
@Bod-594:
now that’s a scary idea… he’d show the bulls how to play running rugby…
a very scary thought for the rest of us…!
4 Jan 2012, 13:39 pm
@Dawn-602: i am Dawnie, i am.
i am being gentle because i can recognise a soul reaching out for acceptance.
i just dont know why he wants to fight all the time?
maybe he likes us?
4 Jan 2012, 13:41 pm
Lets start a new China trend here
602
What happened to Panty? I wasnt aware that baled as well..
4 Jan 2012, 13:42 pm
@rangerman-605:
What’s not to like.
We cool like that.
4 Jan 2012, 13:43 pm
@rangerman-601:
Apologies for the 598 was on my phone and the reply button doesn’t seem to work, you guys celebrate diversity a little differently to me but no problem.
Catch any bugs today, i’m back home for a months holiday with the family next month and will be dusting off the dive gear and taking the plunge after a long break can’t wait.
4 Jan 2012, 13:45 pm
@Bod-606:
He departed at the very top.
4 Jan 2012, 13:59 pm
@Dawn-607: zactly!
@NZINCHINA-608: nah, no bugs bud. closed season at the moment here unfortunately because every time i dive i see masses of them lol.
but the speargun has been working overtime.
still looking for my first king mackerel of the season though.
4 Jan 2012, 14:00 pm
@ufo-604:
just like he showed japan and italy?
because that would be a very scary thought indeed.
@NZINCHINA-609:
of a tall building maybe…
4 Jan 2012, 14:04 pm
@rangerman-610:
ha thats always the way, I doubt i’ll be quicker enough to land many this time around out of practice, never got into the spear fishing I couldn’t swim fast enough
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-611:
Panty took the flak for 4 odd years and then rode off into the sunset with the biggest prize safely tucked away a very happy man
4 Jan 2012, 14:12 pm
Holy mackerel what kind of holidays do this Keo team enjoy? They make the Financial Services sector look hard done by.
4 Jan 2012, 14:16 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-611:
just like nick mallet showed with italy yet every one wants mallet to be the bok coach…?
it’s easy to be selective in our criteria and cherry pick the stats/records that suite our own preferences hey…? it’s easy to go the predictable route and choose someone who has a record just because he had the best players at his disposal…
but mallet didn’t do much more for italy than kirwan did… does graham henry’s record mean he would make japan or italy world champions…? i doubt it…
sometimes you have to look at what someone achieves with limited resources and extrapolate that over what he or she may achieve with the best resources…
risky…? yes… that way you have to put up or shut up… your choice and therefore your own expertise would be shown up and your whole reputation is on the line…
most officials who select the coaches are too damn scared to make a bold decision and do something innovative and upbeat… they’d all rather make the expected safe choice and simply produce more of the same old same old…
which is precisely what we’re gonna get… mark my words…
heck… even most bloggers here are not prepared to step out of tried and tested comfort zones… most would rather go with a guy simply because he has done it before and they have that as a fall back for failure… then they justify their choices by hailing every achievement great and small while completely ignoring everything else…
strange species are humans…??
4 Jan 2012, 14:21 pm
I actually enjoyed Black Panther… even though we knocked heads more than a couple of times…
hope he’s doing well whatever he’s doing… and basking in the glory of being a rugby world champion supporter…
i thought his last couple of posts were very gracious and would welcome him back no problem… a worthy adversary IMO and someone i’d chuck back a beer or four with any day…
4 Jan 2012, 14:25 pm
yes, he was actually a nice bloke most times whereas poppa was the opposite.
if anyone behaves like they blog then it would not surprise me if poppa actually has gone off the top of a tall building.
4 Jan 2012, 14:54 pm
These kiwis are a bunch of prima donnas
OOOOO (back of hand resting on forehead) I can’t take this Keo.co.za anymore!
4 Jan 2012, 15:13 pm
@ufo-614:
the problem with this reasoning is that the argument can just as easily be turned on its head if one postulates the very opposite thereof.
namely, would a poor to medium skilled coach achieve results when tested in two seperate instances involving a team with limited resources in the one and a team possesing the best resources in the other?
results under one set of conditions wont neccesarily prove anything in regard to the other set of conditions. he may perform dismally under the limited resources test and then achieve mediocre to reasonable success under the best resource test, in spite of himself, (the assumption being that he’s a poorly skilled coach obviously) due the inherent resource advantages available to him.
an obvious real life example of this is the eponymous mr peter de villiers imo.
the trick is to be able to spot the qualities and characteristics (or however else it can be ascribed or defined) in various individuals and be able to say that yes this guy is probably going to prove a good coach under these test conditions, namely: he performs reasonably in the first and then outstandingly in the second of test conditions.
or that, no, he will prove to be a poor coach under these conditions by performing poorly to reasonably in the first and then reasonably, with some success, in the second set of tests.
mallet has clearly proved to be a guy who can perform poorly to reasonably in the first and then reasonably to outstandingly in the second.
kirwan seems to me a guy who would prove to be similar to pdivvy in that he would achieve reasonable to mediocre success in the second set of conditions, in spite of himslf, due to the stated advantage of superior resources available to him.
4 Jan 2012, 15:37 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-618:
hehehe…
of course the “the argument can just as easily be turned on its head if one postulates the very opposite thereof”
it all just comes down to opinions and preferences… as i’ve said all along… all i’d really like to see is al the candidates being judged on the same criteria… and not cherry picking the best of one and worst of the other…
however i don’t agree with your opinion that kirwan would prove to be another pdivvy…
again… the stats or record says one thing and simply to rely on that i believe limits the possibilities… everything about kirwan is about exciting running rugby… until we get someone like him or carel involved all we’re gonna get is the same old dour skop an jag bliksem em rugby we’ve had for so long now…
some say we shouldn’t romanticize rugby… but every bok supporter would like to see the ‘romantic’ running game being played by the boks running rings around all comers and scoring spectacular tries… whether they will admit it on keo or not doesn’t change anything… we all would like the boks to play that total running game…
IMO… none of the speculated possible appointments will deliver that kind of rugby… whatever their win ratio are… the type of rugby they have coached is the type of rugby they will coach… we are just gonna get more of what we’ve had before and the win loss ratio now in favor of the all blacks is just gonna keep widening in their favour…
if we do things the way we’ve always done… we’re gonna get the same results we’ve always got… sure we’ll get excited about beating the ABs every now and then… sure we’ll be excited about beating them more than any other team… but the fact remains they are gonna keep beating us way more than we are gonna beat them…
the only coach we’ve had since readmission who got the boks playing great total rugby got fired because he was too straight to play the politics…
us saffas are our own worst enemies… we want to play great rugby and dominate the world… but we’re simply not prepared to take the chance and be innovative and do what needs to be done to get the sort of rugby and results we all want…
so we’ll collectively punt the same old mentality and try and dominate through physicality, passion and grit which will win the odd game here and there but until we fully subscribe to, buy into and are courageous enough to incorporate intelligence and skill into our long-term game plan we’re simply gonna be acting in a more bruising version of ground hog day…
all i’m saying is that if we want different results… we need to do something different…. we need to choose a different sort of coach…
but i know we won’t…
4 Jan 2012, 15:38 pm
anyway… cool chatting bud…
outta here for now…
i can hear the sirens of the long-post police in the distance…
cheers
4 Jan 2012, 15:46 pm
@ufo-619: wayne smith TRUMPS kirwan in every aspect of coaching – brand of rugby + win ratios.
amazinng how even hansen overlooked the apparently dynamic kirwan for the dour in forster
but hey it’s just opinions & preferences.
4 Jan 2012, 15:51 pm
@ufo-619:
i suppose a fairytale occurence for proving their relative merits as great or poor coaches would be if by some miracle of opportuniy kirwan gets to coach the boks and pdivvy then gets to coach japan or italy.
this would see them both tried under the two sets of test conditions and we would then be able to lay at least some ‘scientific’ truths to rest.
pdivvy:
limited resource team = (untested as of yet)
high resource team = mediocre to reasonable result
kirwan:
limited resource team = poor to dismal (with hints of reasonable) result
high resource team = (untested as of yet)
4 Jan 2012, 16:05 pm
@Transformation-621:
now that makes so much more sense. wayne smith is a guy you could throw money at and make a call on him probably being a good to great coach, before the fact.
at this rate i’d even place carlos ahead of kirwan. at least if we graphed their career trajectories then carlos, for the saime point in time, must place much higher than kirwan has.
4 Jan 2012, 16:06 pm
@ufo-620:
cheers
4 Jan 2012, 16:51 pm
@NZINCHINA-608:
Are your waters as cold as your weather…and Grumpy Henry’s smile?
4 Jan 2012, 16:54 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-616:
Poopal69 was immature and that is something one cannot argue against…it’s a waste of time and effort.
4 Jan 2012, 17:13 pm
@New Bok Coach-626:
i often wondered if it was more a case of his mental state than it was a reflection of his emotional maturity. he really flipped between moods from very high to very low a lot of the time.
4 Jan 2012, 17:21 pm
Howzit and a happy happy year of the Lion to you all.
4 Jan 2012, 17:30 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-627:
I am still convinced he’s a 16 year old….or is perhaps slightly retarded?
4 Jan 2012, 18:20 pm
Yo katman!
It’s the year of the Dragon … Have a good one anyway!
4 Jan 2012, 19:28 pm
@NZINCHINA-612:
so you communist b astard
why do you raise your kids there and not in nz which is a democracry and utopia?
4 Jan 2012, 20:39 pm
how apartheid hit the dirt
SABC 2
Biko got murdered.
That was the beginning of the end for the Botha regime. Thereafter it was a one way ticket to democracy.
In 1977 Pik Botha defiantly declared ‘we will not accept one man one vote, not now not ever’
7 years later SA holds first free democratic elections
4 Jan 2012, 20:56 pm
correction
17 years later SA holds first free democratic elections
4 Jan 2012, 21:40 pm
Same old headings…. Yawnn
Surely Ryan could take his laptop on holiday and post something new every day….It is what junior reporters do, unless Keo refuses to pay overtime!!
4 Jan 2012, 21:56 pm
@ashampoopaloo-633:
….and in a few days the ANC trough will be full of the noises of grunting and snorting as the portly ones tuck into their R400 million food and booze.
There will be much snorting and grunting in the trough and the illiterates from each African country will gather together to slap one another on their portly backs to celebrate and laugh of the millions being stolen by each Banana Republic.
What a day to rejoice. Another Proudly South African moment.
4 Jan 2012, 22:52 pm
@ufo-619:
The Wallaby teams of the early to mid eighties which included Mark Ella, Campo,Micheal Hawker, Roger Gould, Tony Grigg, Glenn Ella etc ran rings around the Ab backline ,at times making them look slow and inept. This was the impetus for the Abs and NZ Rugby in general to up their game and improve on ball skills, speed and backline patterns to match the Aussies running game.Another improvement was to integrate forwards within this running game philosophy.FORWARDS have to learn to pass the ball both ways.
A slightly later addition was the adaptation of some League skills, the ability to off load and release the ball in the tackle. double rounds etc.
To play the running game you need confidence but more importantly you need your forwards to win their ball.
5 Jan 2012, 00:28 am
Newcastle 3 Manchester United 0
schweeeeeeeeeet
5 Jan 2012, 00:40 am
kallis calls out his critics!
“You don’t become a bad player
overnight,” Kallis said after the day’s play. “It’s crazy to see stuff like that (writing him off) getting written, that you’re old and you can’t do this or that. Come on, seriously.?”
5 Jan 2012, 00:44 am
sounds like this fool at 635 above would prefer to hearken back to those dark seedy despicable inhumane days before 1994 where one illegitimate and uncivilized minority sector of society usurped and forcibly enshrined illegitimate rights and practiced intolerable inhumane practices over an indigenous majority out of outright fear and intolerance and in the name of some despicable religiously enshrined policy committing absolutely the worst possible atrocities against broader sectors of humanity…, and then in the very next breath try convince you what an avid lover of rugby he is which highlights exactly what is still so horrendously wrong and far from normal some sectors of the rugby loving public we harbour yet in this country.
Its no wonder rugby here remains so far entrenched in the dark dismal archaic reaches of human consciousness, too afraid to climb out from its sordid inhumane uncivilized pitiful past, and then they wonder how long yet will it still take to ever become normal.
5 Jan 2012, 00:50 am
i’m just amazed ET was boning his gardener, who would’ve guessed?
u cant make **** like that up.
5 Jan 2012, 00:53 am
come Kallis couple more ducks like those you so lavishly portrayed in Durban and imagine if the early catch yesterday behind the wicket would have stuck, even he himself would be doubting his own longevity in this skittish excuse of a dragged out sporting pastime
5 Jan 2012, 01:00 am
which **** made up where?
5 Jan 2012, 01:01 am
eugene terreblanche, head of the AWB, found humping a black fella nogal.
dat sum funny ****.
5 Jan 2012, 01:17 am
biggest racist macho-man around, meanwhile he into bumlovin’ back at the ranch.
you could not make that up in a million years, only in SA.
5 Jan 2012, 01:22 am
okey dokey that et.., I was thinking you referring the other displaced extra terrestrial sometimes seen hovering around here
Yip guess u can try take the lord out the manor but you can’t take the piggy out the trough when gets caught with broekies down
5 Jan 2012, 01:27 am
lol, fkn wierd, these okes must be well and truly cooked.
no the other ET is into his tannies, and loves his cricket apparently.
tho no way d’oliviera as good as pollock or richards, that should get him flapping.
5 Jan 2012, 01:35 am
watched a show on d’oliviera, pretty pisspoor by all concerned, actually terrible, but i’m sorry Pollock and Richards were genius’ of the game on a different level. Like a sampras or federer at the peak of their powers.
5 Jan 2012, 01:52 am
Yip those two Pollack and Richards were class apart even players like Kallis need to go some distance to tie their skittle sticks boot laces
That was some side back then Pollack, Richards, Peter Pollack, Barlow, etc took Aussie apart them days
5 Jan 2012, 02:28 am
Richards, Barlow, Pollack, Irving, Bacher, Lance, Lindsay, Pollack, Procter etc
Would smack this current Proteas side out the ground for six every day of the week and twice on Sundays and would likely smack every other skittle sticks side out the ground just as easy
All it needed was D’Oliviera to make it complete to be the all time classic skittle sticks super SA hall of fame side of outright unequal supremacy.
5 Jan 2012, 06:33 am
@New Bok Coach-625:
A little chilly at times but nothing a wetsuit won’t sort out, Sir Graham will be smiling for the rest of his life.
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-631:
The model in China these days is more socialist/capitalist because one lives in a country it doesn’t mean they subcribe to the political leaning or policies of that country otherwise you’d be a racist who supported blacks being murdered. I reckon your grandpa never pissed in the same toilet as a black man.
5 Jan 2012, 07:27 am
@NZINCHINA-650:
But beware the dark side. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you it will…
– yoda
come back china, come back….you must fight it or it will destroy you…
5 Jan 2012, 07:48 am
@ashampoopaloo-633:
One of the most mal bits of graffiti from the Nazi era that I saw in a subway in Rondebosch, 1979:
“Vorster was a lesbian at Koffiefontein”
I immediately headed for the Pig & Whistle and ordered a flaggon of Tas
5 Jan 2012, 08:17 am
sharks withdraw from Neo Africa series of preseason friendlies at Newlands..
Replaced by Cheetahs
5 Jan 2012, 08:25 am
hey grant…
any reasons given…?
5 Jan 2012, 08:26 am
@grant10-653: lol
Can’t stand the heat
Cheetahs will be more entertaining anyway.
5 Jan 2012, 08:38 am
@grant10-653:
Good move. Can’t afford to risk injuries when the Super Series is just around the corner.
It’s not like no. 12′s grow on trees at The Sharks these days.
5 Jan 2012, 08:48 am
Leading SA’s rugby revolution? I don’t think so. 1 is a sicknote, 1 is on the wrong side of 30, 1 a complete rookie and 2 dont know which their best positions are/neither do their coaches.
5 Jan 2012, 08:49 am
@grant10-653:
Good move by sharks.
Playing those teams to much, familiarity is a problem. Rather play some warm up games against second rate teams like EP.
5 Jan 2012, 08:54 am
650 was just applying his logic, prefer to talk rugby though will catch my first live super game in a long time next month so very happy always nice to return to the garden of eden
5 Jan 2012, 09:04 am
Feck me I’m post-festive season exwasted.
5 Jan 2012, 09:10 am
@Mr Black-658:
is the logic that; to beat the best you must play the worst..?..
sharks honing their killer instincts…but bunny rabbits don’t bite back.
i dont know which is worse;
that the sharks don’t want to play the stormers
or that the stormers cant even get the sharks to play them..?..
5 Jan 2012, 09:12 am
@Dawn-660:
Morning.
What has happened to Gunther? Has he done a Poppa/Panther tail between the legs type of exit?
5 Jan 2012, 09:19 am
@NZINCHINA-659:
excellent!
try to fight the trolling urge and keep the confrontational exchanges (when they do occur, whether sterted or in response) clean and above the belt. this way everybody can, like the special olympics, be a winner…
5 Jan 2012, 09:33 am
662 BP left at the top of his game Bill secured.
5 Jan 2012, 09:37 am
663 no trolling from me just the facts
5 Jan 2012, 09:41 am
oh dear, tourism operators have taken a dim view on the benefits of the ‘best world cup ever’…
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10776880
5 Jan 2012, 10:00 am
@NZINCHINA-665:
no china, you troll but you just dont know it.
5 Jan 2012, 10:17 am
Come On Super rugby!
Bokkerol happens this time of the year except for the Proteas beating helpless subcontinent teams into their peutjie!
5 Jan 2012, 10:21 am
fudge mabeta out of super 15 season
5 Jan 2012, 10:22 am
Tahir key today
5 Jan 2012, 10:23 am
What a brilliant batting display by Clarke this morning!
and SA are stuck fat bag Greame Smith!
Just a pity the “fighter; terrier; warrior”, Mark Boucher didnt bat otherwise it wouldve been his last!
Merchant de Lange will aslo have to wait at least for another year after Morkel got that wicket
5 Jan 2012, 10:24 am
And Happy New Year to all!
and happy second New year to some!
5 Jan 2012, 10:25 am
my gut feeling
sharks and bulls to really struggle this super 15
5 Jan 2012, 10:25 am
@grant10-670:
Bowled well before close
5 Jan 2012, 10:27 am
@grant10-673:
Cheetahs and Bulls…..
5 Jan 2012, 10:29 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-661: so the coward guppies pulled the tail between their legs and bolted … who are the bullies playing their warm up matches against … the Falcons?
5 Jan 2012, 10:29 am
@Mighty Horua-674: Tahir can make a massive statement over next couple of days….
5 Jan 2012, 10:30 am
Did Province/Stormers aquired any props? Otherwise it semifinal vs Crusaders all over again for the whole season…Luckily all the NZ (except Saders) and OZ (except Tahs) scrummaging are k@k
5 Jan 2012, 10:30 am
@grant10-669:
very irresponsible if it was his fault because of drinking or something like that.
hope they dock his wages in that case.
if not then too bad.
5 Jan 2012, 10:32 am
@grant10-677:
Hope so… There is def enough runs on the board to attack
Hopefully Fat Bag Smith wont go all defensive!
5 Jan 2012, 10:34 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-676:
hehe
funnily enough the kings and then those pesky cheetahs.
5 Jan 2012, 10:36 am
@grant10-677:
Stormers found a fetcher yet?
or they gonna stick with that Namibian
5 Jan 2012, 10:38 am
Sydney – Wallabies star Quade Cooper has been banned from a popular southeast Queensland pub after an alleged altercation with a female patron.
According to the Stuff.co.nz website, Cooper, 23, has been banned from visiting the Stradbroke Island Beach Hotel for six months, the Seven Network reported.
Cooper was reportedly evicted along with Reds’ team-mates after an altercation with a woman at the bar.
The rugby star’s split with former girlfriend, swimmer Stephanie Rice, was made public last week. Publican Michael Jackson said the hotel had one rule for everyone when it came to behaviour. “It doesn’t matter who you are (or) how much money you’re going to spend here,” he said.
“If you play up, it’s not on and you won’t be back.”
The Reds issued a statement saying Cooper’s alleged actions didn’t warrant official disciplinary action.
5 Jan 2012, 10:48 am
@grant10-653: the Sharks are taking all pre-cautions after ludik cut himself at the gym last week.
5 Jan 2012, 10:48 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-679:
No big loss. Fudge is only a Vodacom cup quality player and would not have featured in Super rugby anyway … now the bullies will just have to look to their u21 locks for superrugby standby.
5 Jan 2012, 10:54 am
@grant10-673: Lol.
My gut feeling
Stormers to revert to type.
Bottom to mid table.
5 Jan 2012, 10:56 am
@Transformation-684:
Their excuse for pulling out is “financially” motivated … according to the press release they want to play warm up matches at Mr Price park cause they are hard up for cash …. it seems that Moses Madiba is causing problems for them, not being able to cash in on football and concerts anymore is hurting the bottom line.
Yip a few weeks 55,000 soccer mad Zulu’s were sitting in luxury at Moses, not in that death trap guppy tank.
5 Jan 2012, 11:00 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-685:
yes, but my concern is in regard to his behaviour. this may have been a bob skinstad type drunken night out accident which may have been partly his doing.
its just conjecture on my part.
5 Jan 2012, 11:04 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-687: what concerts are in Debben, bhangra?
5 Jan 2012, 11:05 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-685:
you must remember its not the first time he’s been involved in an incident like this.
he reversed into a traffic cop a few years ago (for which john mametsa got goed gemoer after trying to intervene) and i’m pretty sure he was plastered when it happened..no?..
5 Jan 2012, 11:08 am
@Transformation-689: Bollywood concerts? At Moses?
5 Jan 2012, 11:17 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-690: Eish, I do remember Mametsa getting moered by a Cop some time back, Fudge was involved, hell man.
5 Jan 2012, 11:32 am
666 I didn’t think stating that SA are 4th in the world and have no silverware was trolling sometimes the truth hurts my friend
5 Jan 2012, 11:34 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-692:
my point exactly.
5 Jan 2012, 11:38 am
Forget all this talk about S15 when is the next Bok coach being announced?
5 Jan 2012, 11:40 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-687:
Good financial descision as usual by the Sharks.
Why travel 1500km to play warm ups if you can play them at home?
No brainer imo.
5 Jan 2012, 11:50 am
@NZINCHINA-693:
wow! you are just an ironic contradiction in posted terms, aren’t you…
or is it some kind of keewee double entendre deeper meaning paradoxical observational statement which is going right over my head..?.. i just dont know..?..
5 Jan 2012, 11:52 am
@Mr Black-696: the Plascon cup is being televised, good exposure for team sponsors …. there will barely be 200 people at Mr Price watching the guppy warmup match.
5 Jan 2012, 11:58 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-698:
There is enough time for exposure when the real tournie starts. And make that 201 spectators, i’m also going.
5 Jan 2012, 11:58 am
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-698: hopefully the lions make enough to pay for a whole superrugby players salary.
5 Jan 2012, 12:02 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-697:
you’re too clever for me bud I just work on rankings NZ 1 SA 4
5 Jan 2012, 12:03 pm
@Mr Black-699: haha, dont the sharks start with a bye this year?
if so, it could be the reason they are not taking part?
5 Jan 2012, 12:07 pm
SA doing well on flat track in cape town.
5 Jan 2012, 12:08 pm
@rangerman-700: every penny is needed, according to the brokeback, Tank Lenning.
5 Jan 2012, 12:08 pm
i watched the trailer for sacha baron cohen’s new movie the dictator and now i keep thinking of amla:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6qkINDPh8g
there’s def a resemblance there.
5 Jan 2012, 12:09 pm
IRB World Rankings – 02 January 2012 Position (last week) Member Union Rating Point
1(1) NEW ZEALAND 91.43
2(2) AUSTRALIA 87.99
3(3) FRANCE 84.70
4(4) SOUTH AFRICA 84.34
I know a man
He came from Capetown
He wore his passion for his Team
Like a thorny crown
He said cane
I live in fear
My love for these loser’s is so overpowering
I’m afraid that I will disappear
Slip slidin’ away
Slip slidin’ away
You know the nearer your destination
The more you’re slip slidin’ away
(Paul)
5 Jan 2012, 12:12 pm
@rangerman-702:
sharks to learn crucial lesson of life, namely: it is hard… on the 24 feb, loftus, 7pm
5 Jan 2012, 12:12 pm
@rangerman-702:
It could be that they pulled out because they don’t want to play in that shithol_e called Newlands.
Lions don’t mind cause they are used to playing in a shithol_e
5 Jan 2012, 12:14 pm
@NZINCHINA-701:
On many long journeys have I gone. And waited, too, for others to return from journeys of their own. Some return; some are broken; some come back so different only their names remain…
5 Jan 2012, 12:18 pm
@Mr Black-696:
sharks can’t fill the tank for a semi final… so don’t think a play-play warm-up match is going to attract too many shark fans…
and they certainly would’ve got some of the tv money… so does seem a strange decision to me…
but no skin off our nose… at least the cheetahs will come and play rugby and not try to disable as many stormers as possible before the season…
but i do believe warm ups need to be hard and tough… to get into gear and hit the super 15 at full speed…
the stormers bye in the first week last year hurt us and we were behind the pace initially at the beginning of the season…
isn’t it the sharks turn for the first week bye…?
it’s a lot of crock this bye business… why is it not rotated around the three countries who can rotate it around their franchises to ensure that each team will only have the first week bye once every 15 years…?
anyway…
good luck to all the sa franchises… hope the lions can produce in the s15, that the bulls get back to their best soon, that the sharks produce the goods, that the cheetahs bliksem all the foreigners in bloem and away… and that… the stormers… finally… put a descent year together… the mayans will have us believe this is last chance coral for the stormers…
5 Jan 2012, 12:18 pm
@cane-706: I was watching a program the other night about a man in Wellington NZ, who supports the Canes and worked at the Wellington zoo … one day he decided to feed the Lions
and was mauled, bitten and licked by two beautiful Lions …. dramatic footage I tell you.
The feeding victim survived only because he tasted weird.
5 Jan 2012, 12:20 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-709:
Fair enough lets get some good honest debate going about the current state of SA rugby , why no trophies at any level and a ranking of 4th, unless you want to keep cutting and pasting articles about NZ?
5 Jan 2012, 12:20 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-704:
funny that because just the other day hg gave me a detailed, well worded breakdown of how ffucking financially successfull the sharks union is, par none.
and this was excluding any commercial sponsorship / marketing tie-ins.
i was quite impressed as, by his calculations, it seemed like they were/are the richest union around by some distance.
5 Jan 2012, 12:21 pm
@rangerman-702:
sorry ranger…
was delayed writing my post and yours wasn’t up then…
but could be…
5 Jan 2012, 12:21 pm
@cane-706:
careful now you are a borderline troll
5 Jan 2012, 12:21 pm
Thanks for an awesome issue, was getting a bit worried over the last few issues
5 Jan 2012, 12:24 pm
@NZINCHINA-715:
I will have to try harder NZC.
8)
5 Jan 2012, 12:26 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-713: all unions are in the red, except for the Bullies.
5 Jan 2012, 12:27 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-713:
HG is full of shiit.
What is he a friggen Accountant now,
as well as an arsehol’e.
5 Jan 2012, 12:34 pm
@NZINCHINA-712:
True NZC…………………………………..true.
WC …………………………………gone to NZ.
S15…………………………………..gone to Queensland.
Curried Cup…………………….2 NZ coaches in the final.
World 7′s……………………………Gone.
Mandela hub cap………………….Gone.
Freedom Cup………………………Gone.
Etc, etc, etc…………
Imagine what G Henry could have done with this lot……………………………………….
5 Jan 2012, 12:36 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-713:
no trophies though 0 from 16 with the big boys
5 Jan 2012, 12:37 pm
@cane-720:
troll
5 Jan 2012, 12:41 pm
@NZINCHINA-712:
in a nutshell,
our problems start firstly with the south african rugby union and then follows very closely with the (almost always, usually inept) coach / coaches appointed by them / it. this is principally, and probably, the sole causes imo.
there is nothing wrong with the actual players, playing structures, different competitions, various super franchises (for the most part) as we have certainly been very, very competitive in the comp in the past five years, and just about any and every other aspect in any way related to rugby and how its conducted.
the ja-broers… english and afrikaans, black and white, political and transformational, greedy and self interested… are killing us…
@cane-717:
When you look at the dark side, careful you must be … for the dark side looks back.
- yoda
dont do it cane, dont do it…
5 Jan 2012, 12:44 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-709:
“When you look at the dark side, careful you must be … for the dark side looks back.”
“When you live on the dark side, careful you must be … for the dark side gougers back.”
?Bakkies
5 Jan 2012, 12:45 pm
@ufo-714:
no, they play on 24 feb, loftus, 7pm
expect tears…
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-711:
@cane-719:
seems his right though, refer post # 718
5 Jan 2012, 12:48 pm
@cane-724: Bakkies is no gauger and he ain’t no thug either – that’s right. Bonehead Burger is the gauger thug.
“I do not eat my kids”
- Bakkies Botha.
5 Jan 2012, 12:49 pm
@ufo-710:
“put a descent year together”….
freudian slip
5 Jan 2012, 12:52 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-723:
fair call but you have a huge player base to call on so you have a massive advantage in that area over NZ and Aus
5 Jan 2012, 12:56 pm
@cane-724:
you would not find a more upright honest man than bakkies botha.
you know this cane.
he plays it hard and uncompromising but he plays it straight.
of course we get framed six love for minor transgessions while the
brad “i pick them up and throw them on their backs while going for the groin” thorns
and the tana “i go staight for the spear tackles and break the shoulder blades” umaga’s
and not too mention the kevin “i didn’t do it..but i really did, head butter extraordinaire” mealamu’s
of the world just go on cruising by….
5 Jan 2012, 12:58 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-725:
It seems, that across the board it is time for some pragmatism in SA Rugby.
The Soccer WC has gifted SA Sporting Codes with top notch, state of the art-Venues.
Difficult decisions lie ahead for Unions that own “Dinosaurs” that they cannot afford to upgrade or maintain.
5 Jan 2012, 12:58 pm
justice..?..
ffuck justice…
8)
5 Jan 2012, 13:00 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-729:
Bakkies perfected the flying headbutt from that pioneer of filthy play Corne Krige, now he was absolute filth
5 Jan 2012, 13:05 pm
@cane-730:
its actually the opposite at the moment.
the dinosaurs are paid for and making money while all the new stadiums (for the most part) are running at rather astronomical losses (for the most part).
of course the solution is to marry the top notch, state of the art (upgrades included) to the paid for and making money parts of the equation.
5 Jan 2012, 13:06 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-725:
well… no need to start swimming until we reach the river… let’s see what happens…
@charo-727:
hey charo… hope you had a good festive season…
very sharp bud… as always…
well… as most other fans would tell us… we’re pretty damn useless so no further descent would make much difference anyway…
so let me just say i hope we have a good season…
5 Jan 2012, 13:08 pm
@Roar my Lions …. Currie Cup Champions 2011-726:
That’s exactly what a “Golden Prawn” would say.
5 Jan 2012, 13:08 pm
@NZINCHINA-732:
i have no respect for filth
whether saffa or keewee
to bad the irb doesn’t see the world the same way hey..?..
5 Jan 2012, 13:14 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-733:
exactly Bakkies……………………………………………………………marry………………………………good luck…………………………………………with your match making.
Someone most likely has to force the issue for the good of SA Sport.
5 Jan 2012, 13:17 pm
Those Sri Lankans are getting moered. Nice! and our imported Pakistani is picking up wickets.
220/8 now.
5 Jan 2012, 13:22 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-736:
clearly you do though
5 Jan 2012, 13:24 pm
Quote from PdV.
“I don’t like to prepare the guys to cheat and it seems to me (it is) the only way going forward”
Any other International Coach would have lost his Job within 72 hours of this outrageous statement………………………………………………………………..but not in the land of Bakkies.
5 Jan 2012, 13:30 pm
@cane-740: Hey Porksword, nothing like Dean Richards at Quins (Banned for actually cheating), Warren Gatland (“Cheating” Statements At the World Cup – not fired) and Johnny Wilko’s Coaches (Blatant Ball “cheating”/switching incident at WC – also not fired)….
Come now, you dishonest little duplicitous sheepshagger… Tell the truth for a change, eh and then we’ll all get along fine….
5 Jan 2012, 13:32 pm
@NZINCHINA-739:
TRUE.
Bakkies is a gouger, biter, elbower, head-butter, puncher, etc, etc, etc………………
facts are facts.
5 Jan 2012, 13:34 pm
@NZINCHINA-739:
not have respect for filth, whether saffa or keewee?
yes, thats what i said…
but, again, as for the irb and a few posters hey..?..if only they could see the world in the same way…
5 Jan 2012, 13:36 pm
@Heavens Game-741:
HG is back.
The Return of the Worm-Tongue.
5 Jan 2012, 13:38 pm
@cane-740:
how laughable hahaha
the dark side with destroy you cane…
5 Jan 2012, 13:41 pm
@ufo-734:
had a surprise visit from my son and his girlfriend for christmas so that was good.
actually, for weepee, the forthcoming bok coach announcement could be a watershed.
if ac gets the job, you guys might benefit from a more adventurous new coach?
5 Jan 2012, 13:46 pm
google search query number 1:
the all blacks are cheats
results = About 287,000 results (0.24 seconds)
google search query number 2:
the springboks are cheats
results = About 217,000 results (0.26 seconds)
oh dear…once again you beat us…
5 Jan 2012, 13:48 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-745:
Popps, NZC, panther and myself have blood that is black.
We are immune to the vagaries of the dark side.
8)
5 Jan 2012, 13:49 pm
@charo-746: Absolutely. As long as it’s not Pieter De Villiers, Gary Gold or **** Muir.
5 Jan 2012, 13:50 pm
bob dwyer on the all blacks:
On the negative aspects of All Black play, which has resulted in much criticism – and, as I have said, from many parts of the world. Just as the All Blacks value the necessity of quick ball for their own attack, they clearly recognise the threat that opposition quick ball poses to their defence. In fact, I thought that the All Black defence was unusually vulnerable to attack from quick ball, as evidenced by two quite simple Springbok tries in their second test in Wellington and a few similar efforts by the Wallabies. They strive therefore to limit such recycles from their opponents. Nothing wrong with that – all teams have a similar agenda – so long as they do so within the laws of the game.
It is here that I, and many others, question their tactics. Black jerseyed tacklers finish on the ground, on the wrong side of the ball, so often, that I can’t believe that it’s by accident. This prevents their opponents from arriving quickly to support their team-mate and allowing other All Black support players to attack opposition ball on the ground. Further, opposition scrum-halves are having difficulty getting in close to clear the ball and are forced to “lift” the ball for their pass to clear Black bodies. This slows down the clearing pass and gives valuable time to the defence. And, it’s illegal!
On New Zealand ball at the tackle. Whilst they, generally, arrive “through the gate” on opposition ball, they enter from outrageously off-side positions on their own ball – sometimes they are clearing out opponents from positions a metre or two BEYOND the ruck/maul. This has the beneficial effect of limiting opposition hands to the tackle ball and allowing their “early, long place” ball for instant recycle to their excellent support players. If any one doubts this, they should Google “All Blacks at the Breakdown” and view an excellently compiled video from the Wellington test v the Springboks. It is even on the increase. All players play their part, and while McCaw, Franks and Smith have been serial offenders, Kieran Read has recently perfected his technique also. It is dramatically effective and frequently brings tries – and it’s illegal!
5 Jan 2012, 13:58 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-750:
In a thousand years…………………………………………you will not find a NZ Coach making such remarks.
There are people with class…………………………and there are people………
5 Jan 2012, 14:05 pm
@cane-751:
i’d be more concerned about the people he’s remarking on and whether there was substance to the accusations if i were you, cane.
if it’s class your looking for…
5 Jan 2012, 14:05 pm
which is worse for the game?
you tell me…
5 Jan 2012, 14:12 pm
@cane-751: deans is a new zealander and he coaches
Sometimes if it’s the easy option
to do something that’s already
been suggested, it’s an easy out
for them. Standing up against the
tide is intimidating and
challenging for an individual. You
can understand their sentiments.
Deans has previously hinted at his
frustration with New Zealand’s
ability to get away with minor
offences, but has stopped short of
outwardly complaining, perhaps
due to his desire to not make
excuses for what has usually been
a Wallabies loss against his
homeland. But Australia’s victory
in Hong Kong has seemingly
allowed Deans to express his true
thoughts.
“We came off a fixture against the
All Blacks (in Hong Kong), they
don’t scrummage,” he said. “They
just manipulate, they play the
referee constantly. It’s all about
trickery. Then you get across the
UK and they scrummage more so.
There are elements of trickery but
they do want to go forward with
that trickery.”
5 Jan 2012, 14:14 pm
@cane-748:
black blood, very, very, very thick skins and you’re all cycloptic
5 Jan 2012, 14:28 pm
@charo-746:
cool stuff… always good to be with family
yeah… there will be ramifications for just about everyone unless gert smal is appointed…
i don’t think ac has been bad at province though… i don’t believe it is his fault we have failed at the final step… he has done enough to get us there four times and it is surely up to the players to get us over the line…
although there was talk of the players not being happy about the returning boks slotting in at the latter stages of the comp… which may have contributed to our implosion against the lions…
but i would not cry if ac left us for the boks either…
if that happened i would like to see a dobson/roux team take over province… they have done excellent work for uct and maties… and as many of the younger players have got into the province set-up through those teams i reckon it could work…
as long as they could handle the ‘senior’ players…
5 Jan 2012, 14:32 pm
@cane-751: robbie deans on the all blacks scrum
“We came off a fixture against the All Blacks (in Hong Kong), they don’t scrummage,” he said.
“They just manipulate, they play the referee constantly. It’s all about trickery. Then you get across the UK and they scrummage more so. There are elements of trickery but they do want to go forward with that trickery.”
5 Jan 2012, 14:42 pm
What are you lot brawling about now.
5 Jan 2012, 14:46 pm
poppa.. i mean china started it…
5 Jan 2012, 14:52 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-759:
Everyone wants a shot at the best, you’ll get your turn soon enough.
5 Jan 2012, 15:04 pm
@NZINCHINA-760:
how did you end up in china?
What line of work are you in?
5 Jan 2012, 15:09 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-761:
I took a slow boat
5 Jan 2012, 15:14 pm
@NZINCHINA-762:
So what line of work are you in f uckwit?
5 Jan 2012, 15:16 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-763:
rowing
5 Jan 2012, 15:20 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19-763:
last night you were calling me a communist pig, now you’re calling me a f uckwit and you want me to answer your questions, we’ve been through all this before my friend you should think about becoming a detective with all those questions you ask
5 Jan 2012, 15:23 pm
@NZINCHINA-765:
You don’t have to answer,no sweat,was just wondering what line of work had you ending up there f uckwit.
5 Jan 2012, 15:33 pm
@NZINCHINA-760:
i see your troll and double you two hobbits…
5 Jan 2012, 15:37 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-767:
lol 2015 ain’t that far away for you, in between you can watch us clean up everything going outside of the WC
5 Jan 2012, 15:56 pm
@NZINCHINA-768:
oh i will watching closely indeed…closely indeed…
5 Jan 2012, 16:25 pm
Boucher is damn lucky that his drop catch only got +20 runs but damn he must piss off now – a has-been he is dropping two easy catches within the space of only 2 hours.
Damn and now Kallis drops one.
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