Hougaard in the hot seat
16 Jan 2012
RYAN VREDE reports that Francois Hougaard will be the Bulls’ first-choice scrumhalf and he is acutely aware of the massive expectation on him to succeed Fourie du Preez.
Hougaard was recruited from Western Province in late 2007 with the intention of grooming him to replace Du Preez. However, such was his talent that the Bulls’ senior players urged the coaching staff to accommodate him at wing, where he made telling contributions.
However, with Du Preez having ended a career in Pretoria – one in which he became the fulcrum around which the Bulls revolved – for a stint with Japanese side Suntory Goliath, Hougaard will get the extended run in the position he considers his best.
‘Coach Frans [Ludeke] has told me I’m the number one scrumhalf for the season,’ Hougaard told keo.co.za. ‘It is the chance I’ve been waiting for for some time and I know Fourie’s shadow will loom until I establish myself as a worthy successor.
‘That said, I’m a different player to him, more combative and robust than tactical and technical. He worked hard with me on the tactical side of things when he was still here but he always encouraged me to be my own man. That’s what I intend to do.’
The Bulls are well stocked in the scrumhalf department with the highly competent Jano Vermaak having signed in late 2011. Vermaak is set to be given a run against lesser opponents, at which time Hougaard may revert to the wing.
‘I enjoyed my time out wide. I understood the planning around me being played there and was prepared to bide my time,’ Hougaard explained. ‘Now I’m set on playing in my preferred position and showing why I think I’m a better scrumhalf than a winger. I’m open to being used on the wing from time to time, but I see myself as a No 9 and the coaches have backed me in that position.’
Hougaard appealed for patience before making absolute judgements on his suitability for the role. ‘To expect immediate success is unrealistic,’ Hougaard offered. ‘I haven’t played regularly at scrumhalf for some time. It will take some getting used to. That said I have high expectations of myself and understand my importance in the context of the team’s success. I can’t take forever to settle. There is no room for that in Super Rugby. You’ll be exposed and the pressure will snowball. But I love the challenge. I feel alive.’
He added that his ultimate goal was to surpass Du Preez’s feats at Test level. ‘I want to be the best scrumhalf in world rugby. To get there I will have to at the very least meet the standard Fourie set,’ Hougaard said. ‘But the game will evolve to a level that will probably require me to go past that standard. It’s a big challenge but I wouldn’t be able to settle for a mediocre goal.’
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174 Comments
16 Jan 2012, 10:45 am
this guy is no wilting dragon.
take note ruan…take note…
16 Jan 2012, 10:53 am
Great Athlete, one of the quickest cleaners of ruck ball in world rugby, but his tactical work can still improve.
For me the no 1 scrumhalf in SA at the moment.
16 Jan 2012, 10:56 am
as long as he is over mimicking FdP and learn to develop his own game based on his own strengths. he is a sure winner. good footballer!
16 Jan 2012, 10:58 am
He won’t have the same impact at 9, I’ll leave him on the wing, but think he will be a bloody good 13 – running off Frans Steyn.
I’ll give Sarel or Ruan the 9 jersey. We are very short on good scrumhalves applying their trait in SA.
16 Jan 2012, 11:08 am
Well he should become the #1 scrumhalf to replace FdP, his competition is not up to test standard. Good luck Hougie, there is noone stopping you.
16 Jan 2012, 11:14 am
I will follow his progress at 9 with keen interest.
16 Jan 2012, 11:16 am
Victor Matfield’s latest tweet:
VictorMatfield Victor Matfield
Did 35km on the bicycle today and doing 70km before church tomorrow morning. Maybe a comeback is in sight. Lol. He he
16 Jan 2012, 11:19 am
Vermaak is better – if he can stay un injured , he will challenge this year for a Bok spot
16 Jan 2012, 11:21 am
Hougaard is closer to a Joost type of scrumhalf than a Fourie du Preez, in my view.
Brilliant runner with the ball, low centre of gravity and good pace and acceleration for a scrumhalf, and tough as nails defender.
But I don’t think he is close to Du Preez as a tactical player. But he may get closer as he develops in his role.
Still, I expect him to have greater impact getting us over the advantage line with his individual brilliance, than setting his outside backs up with his strategic vision.
16 Jan 2012, 11:22 am
@Taahirah-7: Go write another book Victor – this time on BMT
16 Jan 2012, 11:27 am
@stew-10:
Vic is certainly well qualified to write such a book, true.
Captain of 3 S14 winning teams.
Captain of 3 Currie Cup winning teams.
British Lions series winner
Two time Tri Nations winner
Man of the Match in winning World Cup final.
Yup. I’d say he knows a thing or two about BMT.
16 Jan 2012, 11:33 am
Who is the Sports Ilustrated Rugby journalist? Cause he knows f-all about Rugby, that’s for sure:
Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer
Cape Town – The Sharks, rather than last year’s best-performing South African franchise the Stormers, represent South Africa’s best chance of success in the 2012 Super Rugby season.
That is according to the latest (February) edition of Sports Illustrated magazine, which is heavily themed toward the southern hemisphere competition starting next month.
SI has the Sharks finishing second on the overall log behind the Crusaders, last season’s runners-up and the top side in the Super Rugby history, and thus winning the SA conference.
It tips the Stormers, last year’s domestic conference winners and eventually beaten semi-finalists, to end fifth overall and as conference runners-up, thus qualifying again for the playoffs as the only other South African team to do so.
According to the magazine, the rebuilding Bulls will end seventh, just outside the playoffs, cash-strapped Currie Cup champions the Lions 11th and the Cheetahs 12th.
“The Sharks have all the personnel, skills and smarts a team could wish for. Now they just need the belief,” SI said.
It cited favourable aspects for the Sharks like the fact that they don’t meet the Crusaders on the pre-playoff calendar this season, and will play defending champions the Reds at home.
In slightly downgrading the Stormers this year, the magazine said: “They have the goods to take top (conference) spot if they fire on all cylinders, but when they backfire, they do so spectacularly.”
On a broader level, as the tournament faces a record-length year marked by a three-week break for Test rugby, it quoted SARU chief executive Jurie Roux as admitting that the schedule was “challenging not only from a player point of view but also because we have the incoming English tour in the middle of the Super Rugby competition which makes selling both quite tricky”.
He added: “It’s certainly easier to handle the promotion of one tournament at a time. The Test window will put added pressure on the new Bok coach because he’ll have hardly any time to work with the players before the first England Test.”
16 Jan 2012, 11:37 am
@Tacitus-12:
Pre-season bet has me also backing the Sharks as our best bet – maybe not #2 but #3 on the log. I am very interested who they will pick as captain though.
Personally I will also switch the Bulls and Stormers around in this article as well as the Cheetahs and Lions.
16 Jan 2012, 11:39 am
@Morné-13:
I would put the Stormers around mid table and the Sharks significantly better than that. But definitely not 2nd on the overall log.
As for the Bulls – somewhere between the Stormers and the Sharks. Second in the SA conference.
16 Jan 2012, 11:41 am
@Tacitus-14:
Remember Sharks only need to win SA conference to end #3 on the log…
I think they will do that.
16 Jan 2012, 11:42 am
@Morné-15:
That’s why I give them 3rd spot. But this is not one of the stronger Sharks squads of the last 5 years. I don’t see them ending ahead of any of the other conference winners.
16 Jan 2012, 11:45 am
@Tacitus-16:
Agree, me neither, they might have problems at lock, and their captaincy is an issue for me. I have a feeling Bismarck will be made captain.
Stormers to end around 8th or 9th, and I actually have the Bulls to sneak into the play-offs ending strong in the competition.
16 Jan 2012, 11:50 am
@Tacitus-9:
The one advantage of Hougaard at 9 is that it’ll allow whoever plays 10 to take on the tactical/decision making role.
16 Jan 2012, 11:51 am
@Tacitus-12: here is something i found in my email archives…
Sharks will fly SA flag
This entry was posted on Thursday, February 12th, 2009 at 10:33 am
In his first weekly newsletter, Keo explains why the Stormers won’t live up to the hype this season.
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I’m picking the Stormers to do the usual in 2009, which is to give a hint of why so many believe they will go all the way this season, but then to implode before the semi-finals. Anything less than a top four represents a failure but once again we find ourselves in Slaapstad expecting so much of a franchise that realistically has never done anything but boast the best support base in the competition’s history.
Already there’s been too much cleverness from within the Stormers ranks. Selecting Nick Koster as a winger is doing his development as a loose forward no good. It is not in the interest of the player and if I was Koster I’d be on the first plane to Durban where his skills as one of the country’s most promising loose forwards would be improved.
The Sharks, on balance, are an outstanding side and John Plumtree commands respect as a coach because his actions say much more than his words. Some coaches talk a great game, while Plumtree is from the school that prefers others to do the talking based on achievement of the team.
I’ve never liked the Sharks because I’ve never liked Durban and Durban has never liked me. There is no mountain and there is no loyalty from their rugby supporters when times are tough. You only have to do a check on crowd attendance in a poor season and compare it to when the Sharks are competing for a home semi-final. At least down in Mountain Goat country 35 000 still come out whether the Stormers are playing for the wooden spoon or missing out on a semi-final by points differential.
But because I don’t like the Sharks doesn’t mean I’m not picking them to be the best of the South African sides. Of course they are but to win the competition they have to be hosting a semi-final. Can they do it? To quote someone familiar with the Durbanites, there’s the lovely line of Bob the Builder … ‘Yes we can!’
the Sharks in 2009 didn’t even make the playoff and it has been a downward spiral with 6th as their consistent position, yet we’re told by their fans that they’re “Easily the best South African franchise this year. They should comfortably top the SA conference.
16 Jan 2012, 12:02 pm
Heck I like this kid and his attitude…
Will be great to see him establish himself as the best No 9 in world rugby.
Hope he doesn’t lose his attitude and proves as effective at 9 over 85 minutes as he is on the wing for 20 minutes…!!!
16 Jan 2012, 12:10 pm
@Transformation-19:
hehehe
16 Jan 2012, 12:15 pm
@Transformation-19:
What is your point?
That Keo agrees with the SI journalist? That Keo doesn’t like the Sharks?
Or that the SI journalist’s prediction is backed by other journalists?
16 Jan 2012, 12:24 pm
bulls backs are going to have some serious speed this season.
the front 5 will be pretty settled albeit the locks haven’t played much superrugby together.
very excited about the backrowers coming through.
So long as we’ve done work on protecting and recycling our ruck ball quick and clean, we should be okay.
I would not put it beyond the realm of possibility that the Bulls win the whole shebang.
the youngsters coming through don’t look the sort that need a couple seasons to settle, they look mature enough.
16 Jan 2012, 12:28 pm
@Morné-17: Bismarck the captain – talk about a sinking ship …………… but still better than the nothing player Keegan.
16 Jan 2012, 12:29 pm
Might as well give Jano back to the Lions then.
16 Jan 2012, 12:30 pm
@>^..^< katman-25:
nah, he’s gatvol finishing last and wondering if he’ll get paid this week.
16 Jan 2012, 12:33 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-26: well this season his season his gat will be vol of splinters … sitting on that bench.
16 Jan 2012, 12:34 pm
@>^..^< katman-25:
You won’t be able to play your first choice player more than 10-12 full games out of the 16 pool matches.
That means you must be able to rotate. Having Jano there means we can start Hougaard at 9 in about 8 games, start him at wing in a couple, and rest him completely or have him as impact player on the bench for the 6 remaining games.
To succeed in this S15 you must be able to do that in virtually every position.
16 Jan 2012, 12:36 pm
@RL-27:
but at least he’ll get paid for it.
16 Jan 2012, 12:38 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-23:
i honestly cannot say yet and will see out a few games first before making predictions about a possible win, but i do think they could be there or thereabouts.
@RL-24:
bismack does not seem cerebral enough, but ja, keagan is short of everything needed.
16 Jan 2012, 12:57 pm
@Tacitus-22: look closely, that was the 2009 prediction, and the sharks didn’t even make the playoffs. last year it was the same “sharks this, sharks that” and they finished 6th but yet again the journos don’t seem to see the sharks as the under-achievers that they are.
16 Jan 2012, 13:00 pm
@RL-24:
For a ‘nothing’ Keegan Daniel has forced 26 turnovers in Super 15 2011 to Bismark’s 22. Not bad for a nothing.
I hope Keegan continues his nothingness in 2012.
16 Jan 2012, 13:03 pm
Keegan is captain of the Sharks for the 2012 S15 with Bismark as his deputy.
16 Jan 2012, 13:04 pm
Sharks definitely the favourites this year (again)
16 Jan 2012, 13:07 pm
@John Galt-33:
I have seen no confirmation.
16 Jan 2012, 13:08 pm
Don’t know what it is about The Sharks but they always seem to be a favourite with journalists and rugby pundits.
16 Jan 2012, 13:12 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-30:
I think Daniel has tactical shortcomings which can be taught and gained by experience.
But one thing he is not short of and which cannot be taught is the ability to lead by example.
There is no one in SA who punches above his weight and puts his body on the line as much as Daniel in my opinion. If the Sharks players follow this example only, they will have half the battle won already.
Apparently he was the unanamous choice as voted by the Sharks players themselves.
16 Jan 2012, 13:12 pm
@Morné-35:
Its on the Sharks website.
16 Jan 2012, 13:17 pm
@The Last Outpost of the British Empire-32: where did you get those made-up crooked stats from? Have you been speaking to Bruce in Oz?
Actually Bruces database does not even have Daniels name there.
16 Jan 2012, 13:21 pm
The Lions will knock over a number of the more fancied SA franchises during the course of the season – and the Bulls are not excluded from this danger.
So too will the Cheetahs.
So once again, these two unions, while not contenders themselves, will be kingmakers in a very real sense.
I expect the SA conference to once again be very competitive, and result in a conference winner that does not achieve one of the sought after top two positions.
16 Jan 2012, 13:25 pm
@Tacitus-40: True. I think our division is most likely the most competitive of the 3.
16 Jan 2012, 13:27 pm
@RL-39:
Nee wat dis die waarheid. Kyk in jou “SA Rugby”.
16 Jan 2012, 13:29 pm
@Tacitus-40:
Exactly why I dont think any SA side will do particularly well this season.
It’ll be a great building year for some franchises but I still think our conference will take too much out of the players.
It’ll be the usual case of SA sides knocking 7 shades of k ak out of each other for local bragging rights and then rolling over at the end of the season and playoffs.
16 Jan 2012, 13:42 pm
@John Galt-38:
Thanks John!
16 Jan 2012, 13:54 pm
@John Galt-37: Daniel’s biggest shortcoming is his size, not his ability. 94kg is just not big enough for a professional forward.
While admirable, a blindside flanker at that level should not be needing to punch above his weight, and at 188cm tall there is no reason he should not be able to put on 10kg of muscle during an off season.
I am surprised that in a country that prides itself on big forward packs, no coach seems to have pointed this out to him yet.
16 Jan 2012, 13:59 pm
@John Galt-37:
look, he’s a good player and decent’ish seeming bloke but at the end of the day thats just what he is – a guy punching above his weight, and this can only take you so far.
i’ve told this story before but i’ll tell it again, he reminds me of a guy i knew as a laaitie who was a midget and who everyone said had domkrag because he won one or two fights against bigger boys (who were not the best of fighters, mind you). yet, in truth thats all he was really…a guy who had won one or two fights against bigger boys.
if he had to go up against a real vegter who was his size and/or bigger he would have gotten behoorlik opgefok.
and this is the unfortunate same for keagan, when he comes up against bigger, heavier and more accomplished players he will be found out for the midget that he is who gets lucky against one or two players… and not a guy with domkrag who can take all comers.
just my two cents…
16 Jan 2012, 14:07 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-46:
Brussow’s 1.81cm and Daniel’s 1.88cm, yet Rattel is 104kg’s and Daniels only 94kg’s and Brussow’s got more mongrel.
16 Jan 2012, 14:13 pm
@Jeraldjay-47:
exactly.
he of course, certainly is a guy who i would say has domkrag.
16 Jan 2012, 14:15 pm
Late to the party but FdP has been a shadow the player upto 2009, that rotator injury finished his tackling ability and I guess the fact he got by on tactics is a massive achievment. There are no doubts in my mind that FH will be up to the task.
If Gert is the coach, pls no Shalk as capt …. rather Juan with Mossie VC. The rest cant be asured of their spots imo.
16 Jan 2012, 14:16 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-48:
The ouens that threw shotput at school.
16 Jan 2012, 14:16 pm
Yes it is official, Daniel is the guppy captain and Bissy the vice captain.
Not that it makes a difference to me but I would have retrenched Daniel and used the loose trio of Deysel (6) Alberts
16 Jan 2012, 14:17 pm
It is good to be talking rugby again, Boks if chosen correctly actually have a stronger post RWC team than before !!
Only man missed will be Vic and we may get his brains as consultant if SARU are awake ??
16 Jan 2012, 14:22 pm
@Jeraldjay-50:
yip.
16 Jan 2012, 14:24 pm
Stupid phone!
Alberts (7) and Coetzee (8). Then invest in a young openside who will set on the bench to eventually replace the limited Deysel.
Oh and did I say retrench Kankowski as well?
16 Jan 2012, 14:27 pm
@RL-54:
lebowski’s still there?
16 Jan 2012, 14:32 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-55:
Yes that dodgy player is still there, he has clearly lost his starting position to Daniel, or perhaps Deysel has lost his position to the nothing Daniel, regardless, it seem that the one player to miss out will be Coetzee who really should be starting.
16 Jan 2012, 14:37 pm
Only a fool would be confident of picking the SA Conference champs. If past seasons are any guide the fancied SA teams have failed to deliver more often than not. The only constants seem to be that the Cheetahs will struggle as they seem to lose too many stars to maintain depth, and the handicaps that hamstrings the Lions will also gnaw away at their attempts to put together a top squad. As for the other three, injuries or lack thereof, selections and tactics can derail any one of them or propel them to success.
Wait and see.
16 Jan 2012, 14:50 pm
@RL-56:
the world really is a crazy place.
coetzee is taller and heavier but a tad on the young side though.
16 Jan 2012, 15:01 pm
@Tacitus-40:
Last year the stormers got the sought after 2nd position and still got beaten in the semi by a tired and over travelled team at home. Very embarrassing situation.
16 Jan 2012, 16:48 pm
Hougaard has the perfect attitude and will do well in any position he plays in. Still dream of a 9. Hougaard, 10.Lambie, 12. F Steyn combo in the Bok side, would be awesome
16 Jan 2012, 17:41 pm
I was just watching a re-run of Carel du Plessis’ opening try against the ’84 British visitors. The ball retention and ball skills exhibited by the Bok backs then are far in advance of any current SA backline, provincial and national. It makes me sad
16 Jan 2012, 18:28 pm
Without fail, every thread exposes the same old immature, non-sensical garbage from these mostly middle-aged empty vessels.
Nothing substantial and nothing of real substance to be read.
Let me change that and give you some of the ‘Right Stuff’, albeit S. African-style, and that is CORRUPTION, big time too and spiced with a flavour of an attempt at legality, but still CORRUPTION:
{{ Bacher to explain R5 MILLION ‘BONUS’
Former SA cricket chief Ali Bacher is expected to explain the alleged payment of R5 million in bonuses when the Sports Ministry’s inquiry into cricket resumes in Pretoria on Tuesday.
Cricket SA (CSA) CEO Gerald Majola pointed fingers at Bacher in December, telling the committee that the former United Cricket Board general manager had pocketed R5 million after the 2003 Cricket World Cup, which was hosted by South Africa.
Bacher accepted a request from the committee, chaired by Judge Chris Nicholson, to give a verbal statement and he will face the inquiry on Monday afternoon.
John Bester, the CSA finance committee chairman, is scheduled to appear in the morning, and Norman Arendse, a former CSA president, will give his verbal submission on Tuesday.
The Sports Ministry said “more days and witnesses” could be added to the schedule.
The committee received over 30 written submissions and interviewed 20 or more witnesses last year.
Nicholson said after the inquiry adjourned in December, for six weeks, that the committee would analyse the evidence, which included over 5000 pages of written documents.
After further submissions this week, a final report would be handed to Sport and Recreation Minister Fikile Mbalula by the end of February.
Mbalula is not obliged to accept the committee’s recommendations.
The Nicholson inquiry was announced by Mbalula after auditing firm KPMG recommended that CSA’s remuneration and travel allowance policy be reviewed.
A KPMG audit found that bonus payments to staff had not been fully declared to the federation’s remuneration committee, and that Majola had breached the Companies Act on at least four occasions. – Sapa }}
Clearly ‘religious’ orientation differences does not really seem to be a deterrent. It is the mmasters of disasters at work at their best.
16 Jan 2012, 18:29 pm
Who is Lebowski!!!!???
16 Jan 2012, 18:41 pm
The latest Bacher update hot off the press!!!:
{{{ Bester: I wasn’t there to protect Majola
January 16 2012 at 02:55pm
Cricket SA CEO Gerald Majola should have fully cleared bonus payments through the relevant channels, CSA finance committee chairman John Bester said on Monday.
“My feeling is that sort of thing should have been put before the remuneration committee,” Bester told a ministerial inquiry into cricket.
He served on the Khan commission, which cleared Majola last year, giving him a warning after an internal inquiry into R4.7 million in bonuses paid to CSA staff in 2009.
Bester told the inquiry, chaired by Judge Chris Nicholson, that the Khan commission had been necessary.
“The way you conduct an investigation of this nature is internal first, then external,” he said.
“If issues arose beyond the confines of the internal investigation, an external committee would then become relevant.”
A KPMG audit later found that Majola had breached the Companies Act on at least four occasions, but Bester denied that the Khan commission had covered up anything.
“I wasn’t there to protect. I was there to investigate,” he said.
Former United Cricket Board of SA managing director Ali Bacher was scheduled to appear before the inquiry later on Monday.
Bacher was expected to explain an alleged payment of R5 million in bonuses he received, according to Majola, after the 2003 Cricket World Cup.
The Nicholson inquiry adjourned for six weeks in December and resumed on Monday morning.
Former CSA president Norman Arendse was expected to appear before the inquiry on Tuesday.
Arendse was the last person included in the latest schedule for verbal submissions, but the sports ministry said more people could be added to the list. – Sapa }}}
The adherents of the present ruling authorities clearly were/are only aping the worst moralities of their previous ‘MASTERS’ but it is all wrong nonetheless.
This is the ‘RIGHT STUFF’ and is clearly of substance and meaningfully substantial and the real S. Africa from time immemorial.
Even on MLK Day the poor and down-trodden are NOT “Free at Last” as they are still in bondage to the greedy.
16 Jan 2012, 18:42 pm
@ET.-62:
Why do you present something we’re all aware of and despise as if you’re the font of all knowledge?
Unfortunately, the professional sports world is riddled with corruption and cronyism worldwide.
16 Jan 2012, 18:45 pm
@Michael-61:
You miss the difference?
Then it was for the LOVE of the GAME.
Now it is all for the love of MONEY. You do not need any skills for that.
Even the corner ‘dagga-smokkelaar’ is a wealthy BUSINESSMAN.
Such is the business world.
16 Jan 2012, 18:46 pm
“is clearly of substance and meaningfully substantial”
We were taught in high school not to talk kuk twice.
16 Jan 2012, 18:47 pm
@ET.-66: Amazing how a bunch of gifted amateurs had more skills than our currently highly paid boys. The difference imo is that the coaching back then was far superior, even if the conditioning wasn’t.
16 Jan 2012, 18:49 pm
@David-65:
Then give it AIR, give it AIR and bring it to the light of day.
And I do not miss your subtle lie as not too many even know the crook Bacher(no matter how he presents this) as much as they know the crook Majola.
I know which part of the puzzle you fit even though not S.A. born.
16 Jan 2012, 18:52 pm
Because yours clearly stinks substantially worse.
Try countering the facts and ideas.
Give my fondest regards to your tea-master, David, girl(tea) as I am off to tea and snacks in the City of Angels.
16 Jan 2012, 18:59 pm
Huh?
16 Jan 2012, 19:01 pm
@ET.-70:
Ah, the skill of the unsubstantiated and vague insinuation masquerading as intellect.
16 Jan 2012, 19:07 pm
@David-72:
Unsubstantiated?
Are you suggesting that you(humans) do not express yourself in every word and every deed amongst other things?
Maybe you can fool your tea-GIRL with that.
Bye now.
16 Jan 2012, 19:15 pm
Dawn @ 67
Hehehe…
He thinks that simply regurgitating “twice-passed-poo” makes it more palatable… and makes him sound more intellectual…
but doesn’t realise that to do so taints his breath with the distinct whiff that has everyone checking the soles of their shoes to see who brought it into the chat-room…
16 Jan 2012, 19:22 pm
As Al Pacino so eloquently put it:
“I’m too old too tired and too f[ecking blind”
16 Jan 2012, 19:28 pm
Well don’t know how true this is, as always there is always two sides to a story.
Lions still in the black Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:07
Golden Lions Rugby Union President Kevin de Klerk has beaten off the latest media onslaught on his union with the same efficiency that saw his team secure Currie Cup glory last year.
De Klerk, speaking to this website in an exclusive interview on Monday, dismissed reports that his union is facing liquidation.
Following rumours on social media platforms, weekend newspaper reports suggested the GLRU’s former equity partners, the Guma TAC Group, may initiate steps to have the Currie Cup champions liquidated.
This follows similar unsubstantiated reports – both in the social, electronic and print media – late last year that the union was unable to pay its players.
The latest rumours – believed to have originated from sources within the Guma group -suggested that the GLRU’s former equity partner has initiated the liquidation process after it failed to recoup money allegedly owed to it by the Lions.
Guma boss Robert Gumede walked out on the partnership when tension between the two groups boiled over, following a number of boardroom disagreements that turned into an ugly public spat.
However, despite predictions by Gumede that his departure will be the end of the GLRU, the Lions not only found a new equity partner in Glasfit boss Altmann Allers (who is also the GLRU deputy president), but they went on to win the Currie Cup and met all their financial obligations.
“I can state categorically there won’t be any liquidation [of the GLRU],” De Klerk told this website.
“There were certain monetary advances [from Guma] as part of the equity deal they walked away from and we now have to determine exactly what money was advanced for what purpose,” the Lions boss added.
“Our lawyers and their lawyers are now involved in a process to understand the exact amount they are claiming back … that is the long and short of it.”
De Klerk said he was aware of the reports that the Guma Group want to apply for liquidation, but added there are certain conditions that have to be met before any company can take such action.
“You can only be liquidated if your debts exceed your assets and I can say truthfully that is not the case [with the GLRU].
“Our assets exceed our debts considerably and we also have Altmann [Allers, the owner of Glasfit and GLRU deputy president] who has stepped in as our new equity partner.
“He has already invested substantially in the GLRU.”
De Klerk admitted that there will be challenges for his union this coming season, but put it down to “legacy issues” which he inherited.
“Those we will resolve in time,” he said, adding: “There is no prospect of liquidation – we remain open for business as usual.”
He explained that the financial windfall as a result of the Lions hosting both a Currie Cup semifinal and Final (the latter attracted over 50,000 spectators) made a substantial contribution to alleviating any remaining financial issues.
“A win like that [in the Currie Cup Final] also opens other doors for you … it certainly had a very positive effect on our business.”
And the GLRU President, De Klerk, in an interview with this website last year, revealed that the union was going through a process of ‘right-sizing’.
This include reducing the number of players in the union’s books, terminating as many as 13 players’ contracts.
Asked about the reasons behind the right-sizing, De Klerk said they could not afford to live beyond their means.
“I would like to explain it this way: If you have just R100 to spend and your shopping list costs R120, you have to cut something out,” De Klerk said at the time.
“We are now going through that process, it is a long-term process. You can’t keep living hand-to-mouth.
“Unions depend on bums on seats, sponsors, those things for their income. We went through 12 lean years [poor attendances due to poor results] and this union really struggled.
“We are busy with that repair job and it is a tough task.”
The Guma boss, Gumede, was not immediately available to comment on the reports of his company’s ongoing spat with the GLRU.
16 Jan 2012, 19:30 pm
And the award for the silliest foreign blogger goes to…
16 Jan 2012, 19:35 pm
@RL-76:
Kevin has it slightly wrong. You can be liquidated if you don’t have the liquidity to pay your debts. Assets only have value, other than on a balance sheet, once they’re realised.
16 Jan 2012, 19:39 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-77: let’s see it can’t be black panty, he finally bought a new one and it is pink, now being lazy he will not update his profile to pink panther. Poops69 is still locked up in a mental asylum and Cane is just insane worrying about the escaped Lion roaming the streets of Wellington.
That leaves HendrikPrick, Tickles and that two letter git!
I’d say the git.
16 Jan 2012, 19:40 pm
hell….That Lions Union may truly be in the kak…good luck chaps….sleepless nights there I reckon……not a cool position to be in…ever
16 Jan 2012, 19:40 pm
@ufo-74:
Like a number of academics, ET is like someone who works in the palace kitchen believing they’re royalty.
16 Jan 2012, 19:41 pm
Who can say with any great confidence what SA team will win the super 15 or the sa conference, the usual press favourites the sharks and the 2nd raters have won NOTHING lately yet they have the cheek to make them favs.The bulls will be an unknown entity this season and i have confidence in them to perform well,do not underestimate the bulls if wen can win our first game against the guppies that will set them up well and give them a lot of confidence.Go bulls and prove them all wrong.
16 Jan 2012, 19:51 pm
David @ 61
Too true David… too true.
16 Jan 2012, 20:02 pm
Aaagh gunts he aint foreign he just act that way.
16 Jan 2012, 20:02 pm
Foreign my eye! He’s homeless!
16 Jan 2012, 20:41 pm
@RL-79:
Whaddabout me?
16 Jan 2012, 21:04 pm
@David-78: Correct. We sometimes refer to that as technically insolvent, which is when an entity or organisation is unable to meet it’s obligations on a day to day basis.
They may well have assets that can possibly cover the total liabilities but are still unable to meet their financial commitments.
In a similar way you can also be technically insolvent if you are still trading with some liquidity but your liabilities exceed your assets,
This has implications for transactions incurred during this period which could be nullified if a liquidation is eventually carried out,
Many people believe that it is just the 6 months prior to insolvency that can be nullified (to protect creditors) but also any transaction carried out whilst technically insolvent prior to this too.
The challenge there is in the proof usually.
I really hope the Lions get themselves through this. I tease the Lions supporters but they have my utmost respect for their positive attitudes over the last few years in the face of very poor performance from their team.
16 Jan 2012, 21:21 pm
Stormersboy you bloody textbook
16 Jan 2012, 21:31 pm
@stormersboy-87:
I like the Lions as well. In fact, I reckon that a number of the current squad should feature in a new Bok squad. Having said that, the S15 will sort the wheat from the chaff.
16 Jan 2012, 21:39 pm
@Dawn-88: Hahaha sorry Dawnie. i can get a little technical sometimes.
It’s the inner nerd in me.
Had a pretty exhausting day actually, my son turned 10 today so you can imagine.
@David-89: Agreed, and I usually find your opinions to be close to the money. If they have a decent Super comp it would be a travesty not to include at least 4 or 5 in the greater squad that I can think of.
I’m very keen to see how they do in the warm up tournament. Last year they looked really good and you could see even then the potential that could be unleashed if they just upped their self belief a little. I remember they beat the Sharks in the one game if I’m not mistaken.
16 Jan 2012, 22:31 pm
Love this headline, it must have had some in a spin
From iafrica.com:
Bismarck is second fiddle again
Having played second fiddle to John Smit for most of his career, Bismarck du Plessis will again be a back-up at the Sharks in 2012.
Sharks coach John Plumtree revealed on Monday that loose forward Keegan Daniel would captain the Sharks in 2012, with seasoned Bok hooker Du Plessis as his deputy.
Plumtree feels these are two players who “lead from the front” and that staying with Daniel – who was also the Sharks’ Currie Cup captain year – would allow for some continuity in Durban.
“I was really impressed with Keegan during the Currie Cup last year, the way he grew as a leader in what was a difficult campaign,” Plumtree said on the Sharks’ website.
16 Jan 2012, 23:14 pm
True to form the ever sensitive and defensive but nonetheless opportunistic(suffering from previous damage) rat-pack rushes to the aid of a stumbling foreign rat. You can count and name them all – anywhere from 2 to up to 20 rush over each others backs thinking that the cage is open and there is a killing for food to be made.
The pack mentality is one sure thing you can always take to the bank here. It is not unlike the certainty of night following the earlier day.
Stupidity reigns so supremely among them that for years now they do not conjure up the notion that I am only interested in the TRUTH about my genuine homeland. But it is ALL the TRUTH that gains my focus whether it is positive or negative. Such is the demands made on anyone truly interested in science(its latin root ‘scientia’ simply means knowledge).
Consider:
1. Scientia est potentia – knowledge is power
2. Scientia non habet inimicum nisp ignorantem – science has no enemies but the ignorants.
17 Jan 2012, 01:16 am
Let the rugby begin. It’s anyone’s game.
17 Jan 2012, 03:38 am
@blueboy-82: just love you guys talking UP your teams…always the same spiel and always the same (mostly) outcome…I just wish guys from SA would just let the team do the talking….I still think Aussie and NZ are still way ahead of SA in how the game is played and the philosophy of how it needs to be played….Trans-Tasman Teams will win the day…
17 Jan 2012, 03:41 am
@bananas-52: you eating something you should my man??? a better post RWC team…dont think so…Boks will still get beaten by better organised and drilled teams…that Aussie and NZ have…but Boks will learn as they should do to be a better team…
17 Jan 2012, 06:10 am
Man, they are peddling some strong **** in the sewers of Philly.
17 Jan 2012, 06:14 am
extra-testicular @ 92
hehehe…
you can’t wait to play the poor lonely victim… you write comments on a public blog and then complain when others respond…
guess that’s appropriate when we consider your well-established groot krokodil finger-wagging style and rubicon crossing ‘revelations’ the rest of us have long since moved beyond…
you are neither unique, alone nor a martyr… anyone who makes absurd posts on this site is going to get ripped by the rest… it happens to all of us… so as single-out as you’d like to feel… no special effort has been made to gather in defence or offense of anyone… sorry for the reality check…
you speak of science… yet you ignore the very basis upon which all science is based… observable fact… and continue to post your passé assumption-based opinions as fact and make the most silly presumptions about people based on nothing more than your own desperate, sad relevance-seeking need to boost your alarmingly fragile, low self-esteem…
17 Jan 2012, 06:14 am
By the way ignorant is the plural as well as the singular – like sheep. I guess you were ignorant of that.
17 Jan 2012, 07:30 am
Hang on, did extra testicle refer to “you humans” in post 73?
What manner of organism are we dealing with here, then?
Poor command of the English language, meaningless and repetitive pseudo scientific drivel, periodic difficulties in making himself understood, seemingly alien psychological make up.
I think we’re on to something here.
17 Jan 2012, 07:38 am
Indeed tac.
I tgink we can safely assume that extrabollock was one of the aliens that abducted and probed grantie.
17 Jan 2012, 07:41 am
@ufo-97:
oh snap!
i think you gave him an annal tear of the mind there…
“no special effort has been made to gather in defence”…classic
17 Jan 2012, 07:54 am
@ET.-92:
If this is how this site makes you feel, then why keep coming back ??
It appears that you are the stupid one !
17 Jan 2012, 07:55 am
It being only after almost 10pm on the west coast I have some time to be entertained by utter fools.
Upho Punani,is it because of recent rejection or the now more recent self-projection( a psychological feature you have NO genuine qualification to make any comment on)that you so fall for the bait?
WRT science what qualifies you again to make seemingly ‘wise’/dumb comments?
You have missed the boat on both counts. Do you realise that even if your lived you life three times over you will still be just as unqualified?
There is no one more confused, yet deeming to be smartarsed than you on this site.
Substantiation for that emanates from your featherweight response on Sat on the Mitchell thread:
” hehehe… you’re hilarious… you try so hard… a little too hard… but keep trying… godot is coming tomorrow ”
The first half of the comment(up to hilarious) is in agreement and then the middle part(up to keep trying) tries hard to negate that.
If that is not confusion and contradiction wrapped in one then what is?
If you are ignorant then say nothing.
Do you know the meaning of the quotation marks(” …. “)?
Who are you quoting earlier on this thead when you refer to “twice-passed poo”? Certainly not me.
And now the rat-/wolf-pack has grown to 5 and one of them is so confused he does not know whether he wants annual or anal or maybe even annual anal (his “annal”)from his fellow rats all to be recorded in the annals of time.
17 Jan 2012, 07:59 am
@justrugby-102:
Really?
Your hiatus has not helped you realise you all give me so much fun with all the extracted irritation and blatant anger requiring distortions, cover-ups and lies to bail you out because of your collective maddening over-sensitiivity about the real truths.
17 Jan 2012, 08:05 am
Et has gotten himself a gig a disneyland.
West Coast baby.
The only opening was as one of snow whites dwarves.
In a cruel twist of fate he is now Happy.
As James Dalton would say, very ironical neh?
17 Jan 2012, 08:07 am
@ET.-104:
You fool only yourself, only a mad man will seek “truths” on a rugby blog !!!
Sad thing is you do have the ability to contribute valid rugby issues, it is you who chooses not to !!
17 Jan 2012, 08:07 am
still no definitive news on Bok Coach?
Smal being tipped by Keo
Heyneke by Lake of Rapport…..
Must say SARU are doing a fine job of maintaining the suspense…
17 Jan 2012, 08:12 am
Why remind Upho about that irritating and scary anal tear that he tries so hard to live down?
Do you not realise he has progressed to now coming across as the old-aged but equally irritating and bothersome retrograde urination and/or retrograde ejaculation. He thinks it/he is just a constant, frustrating dribble but it/he is much worse than that.
He should try the lifestyle that brings about “the end of disease” but he does not realise that way of living can bring all his systems into complete and perfect balance again.
17 Jan 2012, 08:15 am
@ET.-103:
oh et, i thought anal was blocked by the word police, ok.
i thought ufo’s riposte was really funny and therefore commented on it, but don’t worry about it as you too are sometimes funny.
17 Jan 2012, 08:16 am
@justrugby-106:
You are clearly too superficial to realise that in my country politics is sports and sports is politics. The most recent and classical example is the press your Ali Bacher acquired for stealing R5 million.
You qualify for another hiatus. This time take it until Easter. Rugby should be HOT after that.
17 Jan 2012, 08:20 am
armtnar @ 101…
extra-testicular @ 103
hehehe…
good thing for me then that we don’t need any ‘qualifications’ or be particularly adept as using “quotes” to post opinions on keo… we merely need register…
this isn’t a forum upon which to compare the size of our academic or scientific qualities… however feel free to do so if that’s what floats your boat…
but try to remember this is a site on which to express rugby (and other) opinions and that is all I try to do… well or not, right or wrong…
unlike you, i certainly don’t try to present my opinions as ‘science’… by which you are apparently blinded…
but don’t try and play the poor victim when others respond…
17 Jan 2012, 08:20 am
@grant10-107:
well if smal’s being tipped by keo then it pretty much means its not going to be him.
and this is good news to me, as you know, i am a firm supporter of meyer and i trully believe he will turn a corner for bok rugby.
even henry cant save the all blacks now.
17 Jan 2012, 08:21 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-109:
Just DO NOT ever ‘think’, for you always end up with a badly brown stained underpants when you do that,but that fortunattely should be close to your AWB colours. So you lose some and eventually you win some.
I am off to watch some Pakistan vs. Eng.
17 Jan 2012, 08:24 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-112: as long as the 3 stooges are kept far away from Bok rugby it will be an improvement…
17 Jan 2012, 08:27 am
@ufo-111:
As with the previous I will not read this expected garbage except to remind you that you clearly do not know that anything “extra-”some item means it is outside that particular anatomical or physiological item.
Take the opportunity to advise you Teacup Storm that he is not as smart as he thinks he is and that he should wage his fight with a latin-english quotation/translation lexicon.
17 Jan 2012, 08:27 am
extra testicular…
speaking of being overly sensitive…? (and underly sensible…)
hilarious… keep trying…
17 Jan 2012, 08:28 am
@ET.-113:
and good day to you too, sir.
17 Jan 2012, 08:29 am
Yeah grant…
They must know who their man is now… Why not just announce it and end all the speculation and uncertainty…!
Seems they actually try to make things as chaotic in SA rugby as they possibly can…
17 Jan 2012, 08:30 am
Pakistan employing a spinner in the first 5 overs of a test , picks up a wicket………………interesting stuff !!!
17 Jan 2012, 08:30 am
@grant10-114:
Three stooges come and they go and they can be replaced by another more modern 3 stooges.
Despite slight ups the spiral is ever dowmwards. That is the science and signs of the times in S.A. unfortunately.
17 Jan 2012, 08:31 am
Would love to stay and chat but have to go and see a certain tea lady…
Good day all..!!
17 Jan 2012, 08:32 am
@ufo-118: They have their set date. IMO this is the first time a Bok coaching appointment has been done thoroughly and professionally, so far.
17 Jan 2012, 08:32 am
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-112: A downgrade from Grumpy to Hansen is quite a leap!
17 Jan 2012, 08:35 am
Never pat a burning dog.
Never cut an offspinner.
17 Jan 2012, 08:43 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther-100:
Possible, Gunther, possible.
But I was thinking more along the lines of an escaped spacechimp from the cash strapped ex-Soviet spaceprogram.
One of those that have been taught to understand up to 500 words of the English language.
You know what they say, give an infinite number of chimps an infinite amount of time to type away at an infinite number of keyboards, and they will eventually produce the complete works of William Shakespeare.
But it will take about a trillion, trillion years. Unfortunately, therefore, we are going to have to sit through a few lifetimes of gibberish still, before he eventually spits out something readable through blind chance.
17 Jan 2012, 08:44 am
Deliberate absent parentheses in quoting me?
Victim? Complain? And more, false but concerted claims?
Someone close to some of you happen to be slipping some Hitler-altering powder into your early morning coffee hence the distortions and deliberate misinterpretation and lies, lies, lies to gain some traction, again.
17 Jan 2012, 08:49 am
Deliberate absent parentheses in quoting me?
Victim? Complain? And more, false but concerted claims?
Someone close to some of you happen to be slipping some Hitler-altering powder into your early morning coffee hence the distortions and deliberate misinterpretation and lies, lies, lies to gain some traction, again.
Tac extrabollockov’s prose reads like a dyslexic scrabble game.
17 Jan 2012, 08:51 am
If you are that offspinner then that is quite correct, for stabbing is simpler and better and is more damaging and thus more effective.
Do you have enough courage to think about shebeen fast-track education for the missing cultural components?
It is so S.African yet you do not even know the word.
And the Fantasy World buddies live on in their cold, wet dreams.
17 Jan 2012, 08:54 am
A mere economics undergraduate will find a series of simple questions troubling, in any language.
17 Jan 2012, 08:56 am
Extra-testicular @ 115
FINALLY… You drop your penny…!! Took you long enough to get it…!! Hehehe…
Wrong tea lady btw… But she’s here so must go…
17 Jan 2012, 08:57 am
@ET.-120: i tend to agree…I am not convinced about SA Rugbys future…our ‘ aura’ seems to have been diminised over last 2 years…we are not feared….getting knocked over by Aussies on a regular basis , the odd highlight but generally struggling …..without doubt I blame rank poor coaches…..seem a step behind the intelligence of a few countries now…very concerning….need top class coaches or 4 more long fruitless years…
17 Jan 2012, 08:58 am
@ET.-128:
You’re having a giraffe, surely.
No says sh it like that who isnt pulling the mickey.
17 Jan 2012, 08:58 am
@Michael-123:
yip, i predict lean years ahead for the ab’s.
17 Jan 2012, 09:11 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther-127: i have sexdaily, i mean i have dyslexia!
f_cuk!
17 Jan 2012, 09:19 am
@Transformation-134:
17 Jan 2012, 09:21 am
I am warming to the idea of Heyneke as HC
17 Jan 2012, 09:23 am
@grant10-136:
Just don’t overheat, please.
17 Jan 2012, 09:25 am
who is the mere economics undergraduate who has so upset extrabollock?
please make yourself known so you may be dealt with.
17 Jan 2012, 09:31 am
Eng 42/4 !!!
17 Jan 2012, 09:35 am
@grant10-136:
nice
@Tacitus-137:
17 Jan 2012, 09:35 am
Eng 43/5
17 Jan 2012, 09:39 am
@grant10-136: meaning you want spies as Bok captain and timotei as vice cappie
17 Jan 2012, 09:40 am
@grant10-136: Even if Spies is captain for the next two years.
17 Jan 2012, 09:43 am
@Transformation-142:
Not much to warm me , fark just the thought of Spies as our No 8 leaves me ice cold !!!!!
17 Jan 2012, 09:44 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther-138: the Tendersure entrepreneur.
17 Jan 2012, 09:44 am
ET. Not being as smart as O think I am can you please exlain what a Latin-English quotation/translation lexicon is? I could only find a dictionary (where it seems ignorants is not a word in either language).
17 Jan 2012, 09:46 am
I am warming to this team for the Boks:
Lambie (Anyone is better than Kirchner), Basson, Sadie, Olivier, Engelbrecht, Steyn, Hougaard, Spies, Alberts, Brussow, Juandre Kruger (Bekker will be injured), Rossouw (Heyneke will convince him to come back), du Plessis, du Plessis, Greyling.
The Bulls will have no easy time in the Currie Cup.
17 Jan 2012, 09:46 am
@Horings-143:
Burger will be the next Bok Captain.
Regardless of who the coach is.
17 Jan 2012, 09:55 am
I think if Heyneke gets the job Rossouw, Bakkies, Steenkamp and du Preez will not stay overseas for too long. All of the above should be able to play proper test match rugby in the next two to four years. I dont think Bakkies and Danie should be worried about the competition.
All our best props are playing in Europe. I think we should start a program where our props (ex Greyling, Coenie, etc) play one game for the Springbok Sevens against UAE or Cook Islands and then they go play in Europe for four years. In return we get Steenkamp, Daan Human, Faan Rautenbach, BJ Botha, Heinke vd Merwe, etc to play their rugby in SA when they turn 26 or so. If they are not up to Super 15 standard then they cvan go back to Europe, but the 10 thats left should then be up to international standard.
17 Jan 2012, 10:15 am
@Horings-147: you are just yanking our chains…olivier/sadie? mnxim
@Horings-149: well du preez arrogantly said he would come out of retirement if heyneke was made Bok coach, what a doos!
17 Jan 2012, 10:30 am
@Transformation-150: Nah, I am just joking. If Heyneke was appointed 4 years ago then he would have picked a Bulls team for the Boks, but many in the current Bulls team will have a better relationship with Ludeke. Since 2007 Meyer has been in the background.
He is starting to build the same relationship with Sadie, Engelbrecht and the new youngsters. One selection that will be possible though is Olivier above JdV. The main reason Oliver has not stepped up is because he has not been selected in a settled, structured Bok team and Heyneke will get the best out of him.
17 Jan 2012, 10:32 am
@grant10-136: I’m not so sure about Heyneke. I think he’s a good coach, but his strength lies in the fact that he has players at his disposal continually and build up a sense of continuity in all aspects of their rugby development. Being an international coach doesn’t afford you this luxury, especially when there is no Bok rugby identity being employed by all franchises. He will essentially try to get players to leave some the playing styles they have been employing at their franchises and trying to build something which is unfamiliar to players. This takes time. Until SA adopts a progressive coherent rugby philosophy, we will always be lagging behind.
There are no standout candidates, but a coach with prior international experience is crucial.
17 Jan 2012, 10:38 am
@Transformation-150: Sadie is such an unproven talent. All this hype only sets him up for a fail. Anyone remember hekkies? Tac does not even **** in his direction now. The stormers certainly aren’t speaking about him.
I don’t think Sadie will do as well as everyone says. We don’t live in isolation, so other teams will do their homework. If then he succeeds, fair dues to him. This year will be his first full S15 season, so 2nd season blues could still creep in next near.
Bulls vs Stormers will be a good indicator of the success of the deal. Sadie v de Jong.
17 Jan 2012, 10:39 am
The main reason Olivier has not been selected is that he is superugby player who is not quite Bok standard.
17 Jan 2012, 11:20 am
@pompies2-153: yep, look at what the hype did to nick “the real deal” koster. as soon as heyneke meyer admitted to keo that he rates sadie and he would pick him as a “bolter” in the 2011 world cup bok team, everything sadie did – a line break, an offload – were magnified by 20 in some eyes, especially keo & co.
all the best to sadie though.
17 Jan 2012, 11:23 am
@Horings-151: please, whay does he need a “settled & structured Bok team” to play at a heightened level? Brian o’Driscoll is class regardless of whether he is playing with jordan murphy or whoever in a depleted oirish team. olivier is kak period.
17 Jan 2012, 11:54 am
@stormer in a teacup-154:
people said the same thing about ma’a nonu for quite some time, and look how he turned out.
maybe heyneke will bring it out of him?
17 Jan 2012, 12:07 pm
If Heyneke thinks Olivier is our answer he is the wrong man for the job.
17 Jan 2012, 12:09 pm
Shampoo has been around the Bok team for the last 5 years. He hasn’t managed the step up. Nonu did.
17 Jan 2012, 12:11 pm
Meyer will be a good Bok coach provided he surrounds himself with the right specialists and doesn’t pick Muscle Pants as the next cappie.
17 Jan 2012, 12:21 pm
@stormer in a teacup-158:
yes, but thats just a ridiculous and reactionary thing to say.
who knows what heyneke thinks about anything right now?
besides the point is that like ma’a nonu’s story olivier may now be lacking a certain few requirements but its not beyond the realm of possibilty that heyneke could in fact coach (or have him coached by someone else) him to a point at which he will produce these abilities.
henry did exactly that with nonu.
17 Jan 2012, 12:25 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-161: wayne smith worked on nonu, even he would give up on timotei, lost cause
17 Jan 2012, 12:35 pm
Hougie is one helluva talent but not too sure he is the complete scrum half yet as he has probably not played there much!!
17 Jan 2012, 12:44 pm
@Transformation-162:
yes, but henry understood and realised what was needed (or lacking) in him and instructed smith accordingly, thats my point.
hence me saying either heyneke could /would do this or he, like henry, will understand whats needed and instruct another coach / assistant accordingly.
17 Jan 2012, 12:46 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-164: olivier is not bok material, doesn’t matter what heyneke thinks. 30 + caps and a player is STILL trying to find his feet, **** it. he is useless.
17 Jan 2012, 20:16 pm
@Transformation-165: olivier has to work on improving his game. diff between him and nonu is that nonu already had a strong physical running game before he started working on his short kicking game and passing. also learnt to pick his holes better and think about retaining the ball in the tackle before he went into contact.
olivier doesnt have anywhere near the running game of nonu so has to improve other aspects of his game. hopefully olivier will work on improving his craft but i cant see him changing very drammatically. hope i’m wrong but at this stage olivier does not look like bok material
17 Jan 2012, 20:48 pm
new era for boks…
whoever is coach….please..please farken please…..
No Spies
No Olivier
No M Steyn
assevokkenblief
17 Jan 2012, 21:32 pm
@grant10-167: definately agree with spies and olivier. spies because he’s lazy and doesnt look for work in the tight games, olivier because he just doesnt have the right stuff.
morne’s a bit harsh though. sure u dont want to build another gameplan around him but he’s still the most accurate boot in SA, in goal kicking and general play . I’d keep morne on the bench as at the very least he’d make a great mentor for the next bok 10
18 Jan 2012, 05:17 am
@bananas-49: Hougaard is the future. He’s young, fast, dynamic and has good vision. He is exactly the sort of 9 the Boks need and is the natural successor to FdP. Obviously we have to see how he fares this season. Totally agree about Juan being captain if he’s fit. The Boks don’t need fancy, flowery speeches straight out of Braveheart. They need a no nonsense cappy that puts nothing less than 100% into every tackle, every run etc. Smith has the tactical knowledge to be a captain and is a far more intimidating prospect for other teams than a flabby wobbling Smit. Smit was excellent when he was at RWC 2007 but after the B&I Lions he should’ve retired.
In my opinion Smith is the logical choice for captain now that Smit is gone. He will bring that hard edge the Boks need. The players will be more committed knowing that if they screw up they’ll have Juan’s fierce looking mug in their face rather than a little pep-talk and life coaching session from Smit.
As for Daniel captaining the Sharks, who else is there? Daniel is now a senior player at the Sharks. I’m happy with this choice. I for one am so relieve that Terblanche has gone. He was a serious liability at 13. Great bloke, he did his country proud but he overstayed his welcome by at least 2 years. Daniel may not be the biggest forward but he’s quick, extremely committed and punches well above his weight. Sharks have a decent pack but I would prefer to see more rotation of Alberts at 8. Is it true that Mjevuku has signed with the Sharks? No more Bosman please. We need new, solid centres. Viljoen will do the biz at 15 and I have no doubts about Lambie’s ability. 12 and 13 are the weak positions for me along with the wings. We need more speed there. JPP must rotate Movo and Sithole must replace Ndungane. Odwa is solid but he is a snail at 14. If Plum can sort out the backline, the Sharks will be dangerous this year. That’s my 2 rands worth
18 Jan 2012, 05:28 am
@grant10-167: Agree except Morne may still have a part to play. He was much better with Frans at 12.
Other requests:
No JdV
No Ndungane
No Rossouw
No Schalk (borderline call)
No Vermeulen
18 Jan 2012, 07:42 am
@Sydney Bok-169: Got to worry about the BMT of the Sharks …. I was lucky to be present at the Lions CC victory( 1st in about a thousand years – lol) in the final this year , and was shocked to see a band of no bodys hammer the star studded Sharks …. IMO even with all their stars they lack the killer instinct , yes they may win one or two on the road but when they come up against the likes of the Saders , Reds they will turn into goldfish again ….. I think the Sharks need to go back to the drawing board , correct me if i am wrong , i think it was 1990 when they emerged to win the currie cup , what a team spirit and style they had , this is what the Sharks need to get back to. I think a new coach and a clean up of management ( Strauli ????) needs to occur , great franchise just needs fresh blood.
18 Jan 2012, 08:57 am
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19 Jan 2012, 00:04 am
@Sydney Bok-170:
JdV? ok was a bit quiet in the WC but u cant question his class. he’s been one fo the worklds best centres for awhile now. bit harsh because i feel JdV was following a game plan and that gameplan wasnt to the benefit of the boks backs. as a player he still has a lot of class
rousouw? danie? he rocked. why not roussow?
and schalk?!?! big big call but not uncommon on this site. i’m a huge fan of schalk, his attitude and work ethic is awesome. in the WC aus vs boks game, sure he was ineffectual as fisrt reciever, but he did it , and did it over and over. bit p!ssed off in that he did shtloads of work, more work than any other boks that day, yet people are calling for him to be dropped. he stuck to the gameplan
and just got stuck in. his defence was immense in that game as well.
13 Jul 2012, 13:04 pm
In the debate of Hougaard playing wing or scrum half I can see why there was alot of comotion. Hougi is a natural athlete and he is good where ever you put him and I agree to both positions cause he picks up the game speed on scrummy and he makes sharp desisions but if you look at the facts you will see that he is a more physical player so he must not play on scrummy but wing instead. to be honnest if im the oppesit wing Ill sh*t everytime in my pants when he touches the ball because of his skills and power. I dont whant to shift this tallent around like Ruan Pinaar but what is your opinion on Francois Hougaard on Center…
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