Munster maul Saints
21 Jan 2012
Munster thumped Northampton 51-36 to finish the European Cup pool stage as the top seeds.
Simon Zebo scored a hat-trick and helped the Irish giants to a bonus-point win against last year’s finalists. The result means that Munster have accumulated 25 points and regardless of what happens in Sunday’s games they will go into the quarter-finals at the top-placed side.
Meanwhile in other European Cup matches, Bath ended a disappointing campaign on a high when they beat Glasgow 23-18 at The Rec. Scarlets edged Castres 16-13, Leinster overpowered Montpellier 25-3 and the cool goal-kicking of Ruan Pienaar wasn’t enough to get Ulster over the line in the 19-15 defeat to Clermont. Leicester scored a bonus-point 33-6 win against the hapless Aironi
221 Comments
21 Jan 2012, 22:14 pm
Pienaar still a hot and cold blowing No. 9 should have stuck it out at 10 and gotten braver by keeping is nose to the grindstone and forcing himself to walk the gauntlet at international pivotal duties
Ulster were game but Clermont just provided that little bit of extra spark toward the end to fire up their forwards to score the only try…
Clermont the side that John Smit was whisked away from thankfully for him cause his old plodding stalwart style was way too slow for the flair and frenetic style game that the French like to play…
22 Jan 2012, 01:24 am
well done munster great win, nice time to prove all the critics wrong with a strong win x
thank you to the saffa props for helping us ***
22 Jan 2012, 01:46 am
A good rugby to watch
Munster front row did well against Northhampton, was fascinating to watch Mujati doing the Beast’s tricks of faking tackles and being away from the action constantly, Wiam Du Preez gave him some few honest looks through his own barrel
22 Jan 2012, 08:05 am
@ashampoopaloo-1:
When John Smit looks back at his career as South Africa’s most successful captain he will just have a huge smile on his face. Deservedly so.
You will just always be bitter no matter what direction you looking in.
22 Jan 2012, 08:08 am
i see rapport have the scoop on the new bok coach…..has anyone got it this morning? Suspense killing me here
22 Jan 2012, 09:01 am
Grant
Ja, they’re milking it for all its worth, saving the big revelation for those who actually buy their paper. Since they’re saying the guy met with Jurie Roux this week to finalise his contract, that probably means it was not Gert, unless Jurie flew out to him, which seems unlikely.
22 Jan 2012, 09:08 am
@Tacitus-6: Ja I believe they’re talking about HM here.
The real news in his replacement. Apparently the Bulls have agreed a straight swop for PDivvy.
22 Jan 2012, 09:12 am
Stormersboy
Hehe. You wish.
22 Jan 2012, 09:13 am
@stormersboy-7: LOL
Tacitus just spat his dummy reading that!
Oooohh liewe Vok….daar gaan die Vaderland !
22 Jan 2012, 09:16 am
@grant10-9: Divvy and Chilli.
A match made in heaven.
22 Jan 2012, 09:19 am
SA rugby (which is HSM, basically Keo) is reporting the HM connection on facebook.
22 Jan 2012, 09:22 am
I reckon Tacitus dropped his koeksister with the Divvy chirp….
man that made my morning….
22 Jan 2012, 09:24 am
Wasnt it reported that jurie flew to meet gert this week but was ‘unsuccessful’ is his bid to convince gert..?
22 Jan 2012, 09:32 am
@jondood-4: John Smit SA most successful captain.. who you trying to fool here – obviously you
Poor deluded schmucks like you are those who live in blind delusional day dreams when Smit led Boks to the worst spate of Bok losses in succession in history, the only captain to have been nilled by 49 points to zero , the only captain to be nilled at home by 19 points to zero, the only captain to boast a 42% win ratio in the 3 N under his watch in 8 long years of going nowhere fast, with a measly 30% win ratio in 2006 – 2007 (3 wins from 10 starts) and a 20% return in 2010 – 2011 (2 wins from 10 starts)
Had De Villiers left Smit exactly where he should have back in Clermont in 2008 De Villiers legacy would have turned out a whole lot rosier, Smit is the cancer in the cauldron that broke De Villiers back, Smit and his personal ploy for vainglorious ambition is actually what sunk the Boks through 2010 and 2011 through a spate of consistent losses like the Boks have never seen before, and schmucks like you continue to delve in bewildered day dreams thinking he’s the most successful captain in Bok history – oh how deluded are the stupefied hero worshipers who worship hero’s with feet made of clay..
22 Jan 2012, 09:32 am
yes…so it is HM…
Must say after a lot of thought I actually am very excited at HM appointment….I will firmly get behind him….
I really hope Spies and M Steyn are left at Bulls….but I reckon HMwill do what is best for the boks …strong character….he wont be lead by the nose
22 Jan 2012, 09:37 am
Now its HM the high flying hero in waiting who gonna pull the magic sword out the scabbard
I doubt Saru know one day to the next who is their new prince on the horizon
Gert / HM much of a muchness … though at least with HM we likely to progress a little while under Gert its back to the garbage we saw under Streauli and White and Smit the last 10 years.
22 Jan 2012, 09:38 am
would have prefeered Mitchell or Mallet….
But really believe HM will be the tonic
Especially if Rassie in the mix as well….
Treu may just be the ingredient to get them backs firing….
HM spoke about a more expansive Bulls….now he must take that mantra to Boks…..crucial will be the 10 selection
22 Jan 2012, 09:48 am
@stormersboy-7: did you see Divvy and Tightass talking it up yesterday? Seems to me Divvy is warming up as either Rassie’s or AC’s replacement.
22 Jan 2012, 09:50 am
@RL-18: liewe bliksem
dont wish any of those 3 stooges on mr RL
Please
22 Jan 2012, 09:52 am
@stormersboy-11: but just a few days ago Keo’s sauces said that Smal was confirmed as the new coach.
22 Jan 2012, 09:55 am
Rassie don’t know whats cooking, HM may be a little more expansive and creative and adventurous in his thinking, but he’ll bring Spies with him for sure, so too M. Steyn, thank the good lord above that FdP has now set sail and stuffed off…
Paul Treu is the tonic that can get some action going, if they use Treu then Boks will eventually break those disastrous shackles that Streauli, White and De Villiers (Smit) got sucked into… at long last
22 Jan 2012, 09:56 am
@RL-18: Ja, but Divvy’s mos a “local”.
It’s not like he has a job or anything, so he thought he’d score a few free Brannas and Coke from the locals.
@RL-20: Yes that is true, in this case it seems they are only reposting what was reported in “Die Rapport”.
So it may actually be true,
22 Jan 2012, 09:57 am
Titus and PdV gonna revolutionize the WP lekker ding where lekker dinge gaan gebeur die volgende lekker jare..
22 Jan 2012, 09:58 am
Titus and Wakefield are skopping gat.. Rassie was the first to get his gat skopped to never never land…
22 Jan 2012, 10:00 am
Its about f’ng time… turn the rugby revolution on its mystified head — let the manne wat mos gedink hulle het tanne n bitjie agterent titty trek.
22 Jan 2012, 10:31 am
Heyneke it is then.
22 Jan 2012, 11:03 am
Heinecke = Pierre Spies and Morne Steyn.
You guys know that, don’t you?
22 Jan 2012, 11:14 am
Meyer is the saviour of Bok rugby. de Villiers was the Boks four years of comedy relief. White was the Boks rebuilding phase after the Straueli fiasco.
22 Jan 2012, 11:36 am
@stormersboy-27: my shattered nerves
22 Jan 2012, 11:46 am
@grant10-29: I mean, it’s all good and well saying that HM is the man, compared to Divvy he is, but HM has come out of a very solid and established Bule Bulls setup with a bunch of them “owning” their respective positions in the Springbok camp for the past few years,
There’s no way Heinecke, who is a “structure” fanatic is going to ditch those Blue Bulls players who are left.
And as far as structure goes, no player epitomised that sort of play more than Morne Steyn. Expect him to play a major role in the setup going forward. Pierre too, as Heinecke brought him through the ranks and has made him captain of the Bulls for the year.
Now the Boks may well be successful if those players are still in the mix, but it would be naive to assume that he wouldn’t bring his favourites with him, especially when those favourites are already the Bok incumbents.
Just saying. Don’t get too excited yet,
Each Bok coaching candidate will bring his own set of personal bias that will freak out a certain percentage of the bloggers here.
22 Jan 2012, 11:49 am
Maybe you guys who don’t rate Steyn and Spies are just wrong. Ever consider that, Einsteins?
22 Jan 2012, 11:53 am
In any case, Meyer finally has the position he has wanted for a long time. Anyone who thinks that anything other than winning will be a priority for hom, think again. And if he succeeds in winning with the guys he believes are the best, well, what reason do any of you have to complain?
Similarly, if any guys he believes in don’t contribute to achieving that goal, he will crack the whip. Have no worries about that.
22 Jan 2012, 11:53 am
@Tacitus-31: I rate Steyn, but not Spies.
Spies is a major disappointment to me on the field.
I’ve read his book, and on a personal level find much to admire in the man. But that doesn’t blind me to his faults on the field. That’s where I find that you and I differ.
22 Jan 2012, 11:54 am
@stormersboy-30: this news of Heyneke becoming the new Bok coach is exciting! Now as people know, for me it is Lions first and Boks second … I welcome any news that will weaken the Bulls and Ludicrous without Heineken will weaken the Bulls …… which if you think about it is good for the Boks too. How will the inclusion of Spies and Steyn be justified if they are part of a kak setup getting their assses kicked on a weekly basis.
22 Jan 2012, 11:55 am
@Tacitus-31: no ways Tacitus
The results of 2011 and 2010 are largely due to there and plods presence….
They are not the answer mate.
Now pipe down and go have another koeksister
22 Jan 2012, 11:57 am
And by the way, I rate HM too. I was merely pointing out certain likelihoods that come with him, that others seem to have forgotten about,
22 Jan 2012, 12:05 pm
by all accounts HM will only get a 2 year performance driven contract?
And he aint no fool…..
22 Jan 2012, 12:08 pm
really big tears for AC and Ludecke….they will want to prove themselves capable without Rassie and HM
22 Jan 2012, 12:08 pm
TEARS IS YEARS
22 Jan 2012, 12:13 pm
@grant10-39: Might actually be the same thing LOL
22 Jan 2012, 12:16 pm
@grant10-37: No one knows for real until the announcement on Friday, imo.
22 Jan 2012, 12:25 pm
I have a niggling worry about HM. He took a few years to build the Bulls with youngsters and create his own “family” culture. His tenure at Leicester was riven with problems, due I feel, to the fact that the English culture is far less accepting of a paternalistic approach to players who consider themselves adults. Also the fact that he took DH with him makes me wonder if he can genuinely forge a team and game plan with players that have their own established identity within a two year period.
22 Jan 2012, 12:30 pm
In another note, I see the indiginisation programme is far advanced down at Province, much to Skoppie’s delight.
22 Jan 2012, 12:31 pm
“On”. Blackberry Typo
22 Jan 2012, 12:32 pm
@David-42: Each SA candidate has some disadvantages to me. That is why I haven’t gotten behind any of the candidates as “my pick” on this blog.
Each one, to me, is at best a 80 – 90 % fit.
Which is why i’m not falling over myself to see who it will be.
Unless it’s a rank outsider which obviously won’t happen.
22 Jan 2012, 12:33 pm
Meyer is a 100% fit, pal. There is no better candidate alive. Nor was there, 4 years ago.
22 Jan 2012, 12:34 pm
indiginisation………………………………….I think you mean digenisation Tac.
But hey…………….whats a vowel between friends.
8)
22 Jan 2012, 12:36 pm
@Tacitus-46: I’ll give HM 90%.
Which is more than I’d give AC.
And a lot more than I’d give guys like Mallet, Plumtree, Venter, etc,
22 Jan 2012, 12:36 pm
Cane. I’m not up to date on all the ZANU-PF catchphrases.
22 Jan 2012, 12:38 pm
@Tacitus-49:
LOL.
Just kiddding Tac.
22 Jan 2012, 12:39 pm
@Tacitus-46: The key to me is who HM brings as his specialist coaches, as they will have more practical, on field influence with HM just really consolidating it all at the top.
22 Jan 2012, 12:42 pm
Hey hey we’re the Munsters,
people say we Munster around
were’re to busy singing ………………………….
hold on …………..I think I got the wrong TV show..
22 Jan 2012, 12:43 pm
@Tacitus-43: The production of a new generation of WP youngsters is well advanced.
22 Jan 2012, 12:44 pm
@stormersboy-51: Agreed.
@ Tacitus. It took a Kaapie (Meyer) to come to the rescue of the Bulls and now a Kaapie may become the Bok coach
Oh the irony of a Bulls supporter supporting a Kaapie.
22 Jan 2012, 12:44 pm
@stormersboy-51:
I think that may be part of a negotiation with SARU. I can’t see them giving him carte blanche.
22 Jan 2012, 12:46 pm
As long as Timotei isn’t seen near a Bok jersey again.
22 Jan 2012, 12:47 pm
@cane-52:
Be carefull, the Leprechauns will get you. Keo doesn’t forget.
22 Jan 2012, 12:47 pm
@David-55: And therein lies the stuff-up.
22 Jan 2012, 12:50 pm
One good thing about Meyer is he knows how to rotate players. A problem we have had to overplaying exhausted players on the end of year tours. Those same players then rush into the S12 two months later and we moan about them losing form etc.
22 Jan 2012, 12:51 pm
Meyer has a pemamemt, high paying job at the most professional union in the country where he pretty much has carte blanche, is virtually worshipped and can be close to his family all the time.
If they want him to give that up for a 2 year appointment, with no job guarantees afterwards then they better offer him damn carte blanche or they can kiss the chances of getting him goodbye.
22 Jan 2012, 12:52 pm
@Michael-59: Yes, I remember frothing at the mouth when Divvy was asked in an interview about that magical number of 1500 top class minutes played (Victor) and he admitted that Vic had played substantially more than that and then he picked him again the next weekend.
Freaked me out. that was just before that disastrous end of year tour.
22 Jan 2012, 12:52 pm
@Tacitus-60: Yes. He won’t accept anything less. He has seen what happens otherwise and has been round the block long enough to know better.
22 Jan 2012, 12:53 pm
@stormersboy-61: The days of the “best” playing each and every match for the Boks is long gone, at least while the current rugby structure exists in SA.
22 Jan 2012, 13:00 pm
@Michael-63:
The problem of overplaying isn’t so much a Bok one, as a franchise one.
22 Jan 2012, 13:03 pm
Well batted Biff.
22 Jan 2012, 13:05 pm
Stormersboy you have mail to put you out of your misery.
100 for biff.
Up yer bum to the haters
22 Jan 2012, 13:08 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-66: Thanks bro got it!
Always been a Biff fan, glad to see him coming back.
22 Jan 2012, 13:09 pm
Cutting loose! 14 off that over.
22 Jan 2012, 13:13 pm
@Tacitus-60:
To be Coach of your Country is not about Job Guarantee’s.
It is something more.
far more.
It is not something that can be quantified is securtity or cash.
It is about ………………………………………………………………………..Well ……………….something else.
22 Jan 2012, 13:14 pm
well done smith….good to see the joy and sense of relief…..geat to see him fight back like that
ab is a genius
22 Jan 2012, 13:16 pm
@cane-69: yes….a massive honour…..
I reckon, after much mulling, that HM is actually the very best choice….
22 Jan 2012, 13:19 pm
indiginization – what does that mean?
Like demographically representative?
Or non racially segregationist?
Or non broederbond boetie bevordering?
Or maybe it means there’s a new broederbond in town cracking the whip only they paid their dues at the back of the bus and now they occupying the drivers seat, – so which one is better or worse?
22 Jan 2012, 13:25 pm
@grant10-71:
This is a time of great change for The Springboks.
The important thing is to give the new guy a fair go.
The New Coach will NOT be inheriting a Team of World Champions. It may take a year or two to settle things down.
You pricks are notoriously short sighted.
22 Jan 2012, 13:26 pm
Caner getting maudlin as the level of the johnnie walker drops.
22 Jan 2012, 13:28 pm
A rare occasion of Biff getting out forward of square. Can’t remember when last I saw that.
22 Jan 2012, 13:30 pm
His bottom hand was cramping
22 Jan 2012, 13:32 pm
LOL I wouldn’t be surprised.
AB getting some cramp.
22 Jan 2012, 13:33 pm
Seriously
Biff was gobbling salt tablets like they were smarties.
22 Jan 2012, 13:35 pm
What a way to get to his ton!
Boytjie!
22 Jan 2012, 13:36 pm
ABieber does it in style.
22 Jan 2012, 13:36 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-74:
maudlin……………………………………………………….phcuk………………………..I had to brush the cobwebs off my Thesaurus.
But you are correct cunther. In this period of no actual games being played…………………………………………………………I am trying to be civil.
It’s not easy…………………………………………………but hey……………………………………we can but try.
8)
22 Jan 2012, 13:36 pm
Siiiiiix and 100 for AB
22 Jan 2012, 13:36 pm
Brilliant ton for AB.
22 Jan 2012, 13:37 pm
@David-64: exactly.
22 Jan 2012, 13:39 pm
@cane-81: I had a thought about Kiwis and pricks but never mind
Yes, we are helluva shortsighted and often cut off our nose needlessly.
22 Jan 2012, 13:40 pm
Will he be able to keep tho?
Hobbling like a man who’s caught his **** in his zipper.
This is the problem with having your best batsmen as keeper.
22 Jan 2012, 13:40 pm
Huge over. 17.
22 Jan 2012, 13:40 pm
A Saffa getting cramp.
better than the usual………………………………………………… eye gouging, biting, punching, head butting, cheating, lining ther own pockets etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,
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22 Jan 2012, 13:41 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-86: A good masseuse and a saline drip and he should be OK ?
22 Jan 2012, 13:41 pm
etc
22 Jan 2012, 13:42 pm
A Kiwi talking about cheating is like one of their sheep pleading not to be the wife for the night.
22 Jan 2012, 13:44 pm
Caner no saffa has ever head butted anybody…
On a cricket field.
I demmand a retraction.
22 Jan 2012, 13:45 pm
Hell man two big sixes from AB and 300 up.
22 Jan 2012, 13:47 pm
Bieber mastering the scoop.
Reminds me of the legendary kiwi batsman brendon maccullum.
22 Jan 2012, 13:48 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-92:
okay.
8)
22 Jan 2012, 13:49 pm
skittle sticks on a Sunday afternoon could there be anything remotely more boring to watch?
Isn’t there some decent Australian Open tennis to whet the appetite instead, or at least some type sport that requires a little tenacity and dexterity and technique and athleticism and courage and skill?
22 Jan 2012, 13:49 pm
They’ll have to rename that part of the field to AB ‘s Corner.
22 Jan 2012, 13:51 pm
@ashampoopaloo-96: 313 for the Lankans to win, 11 runs an over since over 40. Admit it you too were chanting AB AB AB.
22 Jan 2012, 13:52 pm
@Michael-91:
Don’t knock it,
till you tried it Mikey.
It’s all love, and that has to be good thing.
8)
22 Jan 2012, 13:52 pm
Stormersboy
Some salty biltong and a beer should see him right.
Extraball will be crying into his nesquik.
Vibe at the bullring is superb as usual.
Silly konts at CSA.
22 Jan 2012, 13:56 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-100: Works for me,
Actually, off to take the family for a walk on the beach shortly.
Suck it Gautengers.
22 Jan 2012, 13:58 pm
@cane-99: are your skittle stick players ready for a good old fashioned moering that they will be handed in a few weeks time.
22 Jan 2012, 14:00 pm
@stormersboy-101: rather go for a swim in the sea …. and say to sharkievarkie when you see him.
22 Jan 2012, 14:01 pm
Durbanville Beach?
22 Jan 2012, 14:06 pm
Hello.
22 Jan 2012, 14:08 pm
@RL-102:
I concede already RL.
just try to be gentle on us.
(but don’t get complacent, or we will bite back).
22 Jan 2012, 14:15 pm
great news!
its pretty much confirmed that heyneke’s going to be the next bok coach.
22 Jan 2012, 14:15 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-104: lol
Probably Melkbos.
22 Jan 2012, 14:26 pm
So Heneyke Meyer it is.
Could have done a lot worse.
22 Jan 2012, 14:27 pm
The Irish teams are doing very well. A good Six Nations ahead for them?
22 Jan 2012, 14:30 pm
this is the end of the fairytale for those naughty kiwis.
its gonna be seven lean years.
maybe more…
22 Jan 2012, 14:30 pm
After a couple of years of religiously doing Super rugby Superbru, I’ve decided not to do it this year. The new Super 15 format is just TOO LONG and boring. The old format used to be fun. Last year was difficult to get through and by the end I was simply putting in scores without thinking. But good luck to Keo’s muppets’ this year – may the best muppet win!
22 Jan 2012, 14:31 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-111: let’s wait and see first. It might take Meyer 7 years to find his feet, like he did at the Bulls…
22 Jan 2012, 14:34 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-111:
“” is the end of the fairytale for those naughty kiwis.”"
Yeah Right.
8)
22 Jan 2012, 14:37 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-111: how is you basic mathematic skills? HM will only get a two year contract with a clause demanding a 90% win ratio for home marches.
22 Jan 2012, 14:38 pm
@cane-88:
I remember a certain Kiwi soccer administrator who voted against instructions for the WC for reasons known only to himself and his bank manager.
22 Jan 2012, 14:38 pm
matches! damn you autocorrect.com.
22 Jan 2012, 14:40 pm
@wooden spoon-109:
best news ever…
22 Jan 2012, 14:44 pm
@stormersboy-101:
Just remember to bring them back.
22 Jan 2012, 14:49 pm
Our bowlers need to slow down their over rate to under 20 until the rain arrives.
22 Jan 2012, 14:49 pm
@wooden spoon-113:
i will be here to hear your praises come the four nations…
@cane-114:
i will be here to commiserate with you and express my sympathy for your loss… cane old friend…
the death of all black rugby…you read it here folks…
@RL-115:
i will be here to thank you as you assist me with my basic math skills and help me to count the victories and the number of cups coming my (and by extension yours too) way….
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the glory days here boys…
22 Jan 2012, 14:54 pm
Love how Keo’s twitter utterings is making it sound as if Heyeneke’s appointment is old news to him. Meanwhile he was declaring high and low that Smal was already appointed.
22 Jan 2012, 14:57 pm
grab your specs
shade your eyes
the glory glows brightly
the glory glows brightly indeed
do not fear…do not be afraid….
this is the feeling of being a winner
this is the feeling of being a bull… and soon this will be the feeling of being a bok
its the glory…boys…the glory…
and it is here for sure….
22 Jan 2012, 15:04 pm
HM will be a good choice – a giant step up from the wheel spinning, clueless passenger we had for the last four years. And just keep P Divvy away from WP please. It is bad enough that we have the likes of Titus and Co. pissing in the soup, thank you very much.
22 Jan 2012, 15:06 pm
@Tacitus-122:
Yeah, I wonder what they’ll say if Gert does get the job?
22 Jan 2012, 15:07 pm
@au revoir mon tout noirs, au revoir…-123: soon very soon Ludeke will be in his own – without parent supervision expect to see the days of 2008 ………………… again.
22 Jan 2012, 15:11 pm
@stormer in a teacup-124:
i wish there was something i could say to make you feel a little better or perhaps change for you the facts of reality for the better… unfortunately there is not..
oh wait! there is something…here goes:
this year is gonna be your year
22 Jan 2012, 15:12 pm
@David-116:
No………………………………………….Charlie Dempsey had the blessing of each and every Member of the Oceania Conferernce.
Without Exception,
to dispence his vote as he saw fit.
And true to the man he was, Charlie consuled each and every member of the Oceania Conferance before submitting his vote,
Many things can be said about Charlie. But he acted always in the best interestes of Oceania. As he saw it.
If you are looking for Villian David, look no further than the head of FIFA.
22 Jan 2012, 15:14 pm
@stormer in a teacup-124:
HM recently said that his tactics for the Bulls would focus on big and fast players, so Lambie and Jantjies might as well start looking for overseas contracts.
22 Jan 2012, 15:20 pm
@cane-128: cane your memory is fading with your old age …. Charlie did not vote. The bribe he took was to abstain and good old Helen was forced to go on bended knees and kiss Xhosa arse asking for forgiveness.
22 Jan 2012, 15:24 pm
Thanks for the kind words Touts. I think the Mayans predicted this will be our year.
David, Morne is no giant and neither was lifelong.
22 Jan 2012, 15:26 pm
Thanks for the kind words Touts. I think the Mayans predicted this will be our year.
David, Morne is no giant and neither was liefling.
22 Jan 2012, 15:30 pm
Curse productive text.
22 Jan 2012, 15:39 pm
@stormer in a teacup-133:
predictive text?
22 Jan 2012, 15:47 pm
@stormer in a teacup-132:
No, but neither are quite as small as Lambie and Jantjies.
Apparently HM has been studying Grid Iron and League, which probably ensures places for Morne and Spies. Morne as the designated kicker who, together with Spies, reduces the number of active players to13.
22 Jan 2012, 16:37 pm
Fortuner is back.
22 Jan 2012, 16:39 pm
If it weren’t for Smit, Matfield and FdP calling the shots since 2008 PdV would have been just fine
Now would have been quite interesting to have seen HM take over a WC winning side and PdV a new young side like is about to happen…
I reckon PdV got his timing wrong, 2008 was the wrong time to take a WC winning Bok side over with Smit and his homeboys club running the show… Now would have been a much more exciting and challenging prospect with far less ramming down the gauntlet of ultimatums from the status quo.
22 Jan 2012, 16:39 pm
You all lay off cane he be cool.
22 Jan 2012, 16:51 pm
@ashampoopaloo-137:
He got his timing wrong. Huh? Is that your defensive lame brained excuse for an excuse to fall behind de Villiers’ woeful coaching of a senior Springbok team that destroyed the Sheepshaggers in 2009? For taking the Boks from a string of wins in 2009 to rugby hell? I would not normally respond to you because your rugby knowledge is shockingly abysmal but you deserve a PK for ineptitude and stupidity.
22 Jan 2012, 17:11 pm
Cant see anyone really having problem with Meyer being coach, even if an international coach could be chosen he is not a bad choice, but pleeeeeeeeeez, no Spies !!!!!!!!!!
22 Jan 2012, 17:16 pm
PdV’s problem was being unable to get rid of Muir. We lost the QFs because of a lack of attacking penetration.
Please no Spies as the starting 8. Pleez pleez pleez.
22 Jan 2012, 17:17 pm
@Treehugger-140: he is actually better than the useless Kankowski
22 Jan 2012, 17:31 pm
no spies
no M Steyn
nO PLOD….
tHATS ALREADY A 20 % IMPROVEMENT TO TEAM
22 Jan 2012, 17:38 pm
@grant10-143: What about with Spies and Steyn
22 Jan 2012, 17:53 pm
@RL-142: lol not going to get the reaction you want pussycat, Kanko does not rock my world.
22 Jan 2012, 17:53 pm
@Michael-144: WE FARKED
22 Jan 2012, 17:56 pm
@Treehugger-140:
The difference in the team will be how the players are coached. This has always been the problem and never has it been as clear as daylight until the day we saw the Boks go from heros to zeros between 2008-2009 and 2010-2011.
The inconsistencies in de Villiers coaching is unbelievable. Jake White had the harder job to build these players up. Four years is about right to do that. The next four years should have been a case of finetuning. It went so badly wrong and should not have.
Anyway what’s done is done. I would think that Meyer could take a player like Spies and turn his game around. If not then I suspect Meyer would not stick with him unless he performs. I hope I’m right.
22 Jan 2012, 17:56 pm
@Treehugger-145: good to hear, one sharkie down ……. 14 to go. I’ll get you there
22 Jan 2012, 18:09 pm
@Durban Dad-147:
Jake actually had the easier job as few of the players were that established. Div tried to employ his own tactics and the players either couldn’t, or wouldn’t change, believing they knew better. Englands 2 coaches had the same problem after 2004.
22 Jan 2012, 18:19 pm
Never. White had the most challenging job of all. After Strooli’s tenure the Boks were demoralised and had no proper game plan.
Strooli has been one of this countries single biggest cancers along with SARU. The Sharks would be better off without the hyena. I wish he’d fokkoff back to Pretoria.
22 Jan 2012, 18:30 pm
This Durbanite Twatass just another one of these closet right wing racists under another guise, as if his new little Colonialist outpost opinion means anything remotely valid and he thinks he can come sidle up here under a new pseudonym with the same racist slant
David is quite correct.. PdV got his timing wrong.. 2008 was the wrong time to come into a Bok coaching job, not after the JW circus got lucky in 2007, now 2012 is far more amicable to coaching a new team at ones own direction and idealism without the over weighted expectations and interference from a senior player caucus stuck under old rule designs and strategies… anyone who tried to take over that lucky packet team that waltzed a nonentity of a WC in 2007 through to 2011 was on a hiding to nothing,.. ultimately PdV got pretty close in spite of it in the end riding out the J. Smit wagon as far as the overrated plodding twatass could take him.. which was not far enough.. same with FdP and couple others including Burger..
the Bok 2011 failure was exactly the same as Australian WC champs in 1991 trying to ride out the same team into 1995, or the NZ team of 87 trying to go too far in 91, or the England team trying to take the 2003 team to 2007, SA tried the same thing in 2011, which bombed… but only just due to just a couple tweaks in team selection, …
one being Smit should never have started over Bismark, neither FdP over Hougaard, nor Spies over Alberts, plus Burger should not have played first receiver ball carrier ( a Rassie brainless strategy if ever there was one), and Brussow should not have taken the field with bruised ribs, Louw should have started … and PdV would now be crowned as WC camp 2011, despite these Durban Dad right wing racists hidden ulterior agendas which never would have given him the credit for it anyway…
22 Jan 2012, 18:32 pm
make up your mind GWS or Durbanite Dad.. stick with one nick … its far easier than fooling yourself switching identities every other post.
22 Jan 2012, 18:45 pm
@ashampoopaloo-151: No what cost us was a lack of bacline penetration, not the forwards.
22 Jan 2012, 18:45 pm
@ashampoopaloo-152:
Don’t know about Durban Dad.
GWS = Great White Shark, I think.
22 Jan 2012, 18:48 pm
The SA rugby renaissance in 2007 came down to Australian influence, Tod Louden and David Campese were largely influential in creating a new dynamic rugby culture at both Bulls and Sharks which spilled over through these franchises into the Boks, the final telling influence was through Eddy Jones coaching Jake Whites team at how to play enterprising rugby, after Jake White had bombed through his last 2 tri nations years with a 3 from 10 success rate, and without which Jake White did not stand a snowball’s chance in hell of being successful, beside the fact that France did the unthinkable by putting NZ out in the quarters…
However the real brains behind the SA rugby renaissance through 2007 was the 3 Australian brains putting Bulls, Sharks and Boks on the map via the influence and techniques under Louden, Campese and Jones.
22 Jan 2012, 18:49 pm
@David-154: same same – same diffs.. same closet right wing racist under new different guises…
22 Jan 2012, 18:50 pm
@ashampoopaloo-155:
You’re talking kak now.
According to you, SA coaches cannot ever claim any credit for anything, can they.
22 Jan 2012, 18:50 pm
Timotei still thinks that by repeating his pointless conspiracy theories she’ll somehow convince us he’s onto something.
That horse was shot a long time ago.
22 Jan 2012, 18:56 pm
@Tacitus-157:
Funniest thing about this idiot is that at the beginnig of the RWC he had lambasting duh Villiers for everything….and then the Boks beat Fiji and all of a sudden duh Villiers was a born again Messiah.
The poopal doesn’t know if he’s Arthur or Martha.
22 Jan 2012, 18:56 pm
@Tacitus-157: Yes, he is talking kak. Meyer brought in Louden. White’s Boks suffered an horrendouse bout of injuries in ’06. ’07 saw mix and match sides for the Tri Nations from the Boks who deliberately sacrificed the prospect of victories in return for the WC.
22 Jan 2012, 18:57 pm
@GWS-159: A brikkie or a roofer either
Bet he drives a Datsun Dustbin.
22 Jan 2012, 19:01 pm
Being a wannabe Marxist he should not be driving. Dikwiel painted in ANC colours for him.
22 Jan 2012, 19:03 pm
@Michael-153: there was NO backline penetration because backline NEVER got the ball… Burger got every other 2nd phase ball – and even some first phase ball like the one he spilled into Samo’s hands that resulted in the Aussie try – and did ALL the so called ‘non’ penetration running into enemy defenses and got nowhere, how often did backline EVER get clean ball to at least try running it.. Once JdV got clean ball and almost put Lambie away for a try…
Had Alberts been the battering ram operative and NOT Burger we might very well have breached Aussie defenses, Burger is absolutely hopeless as a ball carrying first receiver, especially playing off open side flank as he does at Stormers…. also Burger was the first receiver who LOST the ball once on our try line and again on theirs, resulting in a 7 point negative start and a non result at the other end… Elsom ripped it the first time resulting in the Horwill try and Pocock ripped it under their posts and once again Burgers solo effort resulted in a NILL..
FdP was a shadow of his prima donna glory boy self, Hougaard should have been at 9, FdP also spilled the ball OVER the try line after Bismark charged down the Cooper drop out…
So between FdP, Smit, Spies and Burger is where Boks lost the 1/4 final vs Australia..
Had Bismark, Alberts, Louw, Hougaard started with Aplon at least coming off bench at some stage through 2nd half Boks would have cleaned up Aussie in 1/4 final and most likely cleaned up AB’s the week after in semis, to IRB’s lamenting woes..
22 Jan 2012, 19:11 pm
@Michael-160: is this your wide awake scientific assessment and irrefutable acknowledgement of ALL the facts
The Facts state that Sharks and Bulls were brought to domination of S14 in 2007 under Campese and Louden… not Muir and Meyer… and White was SO f’ng abysmally lost up his own imbecilic non knowing poephol after an abysmal 2006 and 2007 tri nations with a 49-0 loss and a 3 from 10 success rate to show for it… if it were not for Eddy Jones White would have been a total wreck and probably bombed out in the 1/4 final to Fiji… I betcha that White was a goner and he knew it.. Jones saved his lost forlorn stuffed up useless imbecilic soul…
22 Jan 2012, 19:14 pm
@ashampoopaloo-151:
Ug youre exhausting. Id like to think a decent coach would not be pushed around so much like Divvy was.
What i respect about Divvy is that he took responsibility for what happened with him at the helm. He also said that he would do thinks much differently if he had a second chance. Point is, a good coach would be the one seizing control and making the big decisions. PDV sadly could not do it and that cost the boks, thanks to too many big egos in the team, including Smitty,FDP and I think the big undercover puppet master big Vic.
Sadly PDV was just out of his depth in terms of experience, the poor guy just didn’t have enough experience in any top level rugby coaching…It makes a huge difference and helps you to get respect from the players. He doesnt deserve so much criticism because he never deserved the job. SARU is to blame for what happened the past 4 years. If Jake White didnt win the WC more or less could have been said about him, but he was never shunted around like divvy was and that is the big difference. And JW built something from scratch
22 Jan 2012, 19:18 pm
Seems like the fat lady ain’t sung yet.
22 Jan 2012, 19:22 pm
Skop has an Amarok.
Fortuner beats it hands down.
22 Jan 2012, 19:24 pm
@stormersboy-166:
Amazing game!
22 Jan 2012, 19:24 pm
Magtag how many shots at goal has Arsenal missed
22 Jan 2012, 19:25 pm
@Michael-153: backline penitration
He he
22 Jan 2012, 19:27 pm
@David-168: To be totally honest I just got back from the beach. Walk at Melkbos followed by a seafood platter (for 2) at the Kliphuis restaurant on the beach with the wife and kids
It doesn’t get much better than that.
22 Jan 2012, 19:28 pm
Well played Sri Lanka. Great way to end a tour, chasing down 300 twice in a row.
22 Jan 2012, 19:32 pm
Finally. Even I could get a ball past a goalie into a net.
22 Jan 2012, 19:35 pm
Just give him the Socrates Brazilian jink
22 Jan 2012, 19:39 pm
@ashampoopaloo-163:
You are not fair towards Burger- Alberts is not even remotely in his class as a player or leader- burger is a WC winner , a 2x SA player of the year (including 2011), a 1X IRB international player of the year- Alberts is a one trick pony- a slow legged retreaded lock who cannot pass, relies 99% only on power, got just about zero skills and who has not won and never will win anything. No comparison between the two.
A fact is that Australia won 6 out of the last 7 games they played againsty SA.. So,taking into consideration the current form of the teams and the latest history of matches between them, you have no base to be so sure that they would have lost against the Boks if FdP, Spies, Smit and Burger (or anybody else for that matter) did not play- At the moment Australia is just the better team and Deans ” has the bok’s number”, whoever plays, as easy as that?
But you are right about Divvy. he is a great bloke but as international coach was sadly out of his league and SARU is to blame for appointing him – not his fault that they were so stupid.
22 Jan 2012, 19:55 pm
@stormersboy-171:
As a Capetonian in Jhb, I really don’t need to hear that.
22 Jan 2012, 20:02 pm
@ashampoopaloo-163: The backline got plenty of ball but didn’t know what to do with it. Most of the attacking impetus stopped at JdV
SA coaches appointed them as assistants and they operated under instructions etc. One would think they were the head coaches the way you blither on without any insight whatsoever.
22 Jan 2012, 20:03 pm
@David-176: Shame. You have my sympathy
22 Jan 2012, 20:04 pm
Since when is a Capetonian born in effin Norwich?
Witches, and their male versions, are born in that godforsaken shithole.
The science of ‘demography’ being turned on its head.
22 Jan 2012, 20:05 pm
@David-176: Sorry.
22 Jan 2012, 20:08 pm
After that glorious 300plus run-chase, for the 2nd. consecutive time, by a cricketing nation mired in huge domestic problems on every level, I just wonder why the ******* is crying in their beer now?
22 Jan 2012, 20:09 pm
Should read who the F is crying in
22 Jan 2012, 20:14 pm
Come in here after 3 months and its the same immature stupidity, why aint i surprised
22 Jan 2012, 20:16 pm
That’s a hell of a seafood platter.
22 Jan 2012, 20:17 pm
@stormersboy-172: Hiyas bro , hope all is well with you and the family?
22 Jan 2012, 20:18 pm
I note on the Sharks thread of the other day that the khaki-clad brigade of the Fantasy World-living boys were hurling the S H I T so much around that much of it hit the fans to cause such a stink and a slip to the lowest levels of depravity I have witnessed here yet.
It was so reminiscent of the decadence witnessed in that entertaining movie Cabaret which dealt with the depraved Hitler culture of that time. But then again is their much or any difference between the present khaki-clads and Gunther Goebbel’s sorry lot all those years ago?
They are/were all blued eyed ,blond-haired, unquestioning morons.
22 Jan 2012, 20:18 pm
@ET.-179:
And what idiot supports a second rate english soccer team that languishes in the middle of the championship and is best known for having the most racist supporters in english football.
22 Jan 2012, 20:19 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-184: add some sushi
22 Jan 2012, 20:21 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther-184: You get the pic?? Another kuk day in Africa LOL.
Die Kliphuis. On the rocks in Melkbos. Highly recommended.
22 Jan 2012, 20:22 pm
@President_of_the_Sharks_rugby_experts-185: Hey T, long time. We are all well. Sent you an SMS a few days ago, did I send it to the wrong cell again??
22 Jan 2012, 20:28 pm
@David-187:
And english racist supporters’ group surely is not my problem but yours. I am dealing with my S.African khaki-clad brand as you can read here now.
But why has your Norwich bought 2 of those Leeds players this season already? Johnson and now Howson.
22 Jan 2012, 20:31 pm
@David-187:
Leeds is just 1 pt. of the play-off bunch and the season is long and far from over.
Why does Norwich not do the real favour and take the other son of Leeds and Bates, namely Grayson to make it 3 for 3 of Leeds’ sons?
22 Jan 2012, 20:31 pm
This is gonna be fun.
22 Jan 2012, 20:36 pm
@ET.-191:
Because they deserve to play for a successful club, and Norwich is known to assist those in need.
BTW, the masculine version of a witch is a warlock.
22 Jan 2012, 20:36 pm
I still can figure out if this Inception is the biggest crock of horse manure or an intelligent movie.
22 Jan 2012, 20:39 pm
Can’t
22 Jan 2012, 20:43 pm
@Dawn-195:
I’m watching Bullseye. which is silly and just the light hearted movie for a sunday night.
22 Jan 2012, 20:45 pm
@ET.-186:
What piqued the anger of the s hit-hurling, khaki-clad brigade the other day? Is the news emanating from back home so depressing or is it something that I said to so placate them as Goebbels’ morons?
Was it this perhaps about the pending Lions liquidation?:
{{{ “Guma has consistently indicated the reason/s as follows:
” …. , citing the Lions’ unwillingness to meet the transformation criteria that the group said was central to their decision to invest.”
Please DO NOTE the words “TRANSFORMATION CRITERIA .. CENTRAL …. INVEST.
Anything which fails that demand is blatant FRAUD then by those who accepted the millions..
The new, non-racial democratic S. Africa in which all you misfits have had a say in creating(except me), has as a majority, democratic decision the accepted policy of “transformation” and further very many of you have openly stated your acceptance of the noble principle of non-racism in S.A.
Whatever else you may wish to say about transformation, hypocritically too, it is definitely a vast improvement on racial whites-only teams of the APARTHEID era.
In its simplicity, transformation is merely an effort to expedite the non-racial society you all claim you wish to create.
Because you now all worship at the altar of non-racism you are morally obliged to side with and support the Guma Group in seeking the liquidation of the fraudulent GLRU for not carrying out the wishes of one of its former major owners which it promised to do when it accepted all the millions from the Group.
Nothing,but nothing, must be an obstacle in the daunting march to a truly non-racial,democratic S.Africa and especially its former most racist sporting endeavour, rugby which borders on being a religion among some.
Rugby is not LIFE. It is not even an essential aspect of said life such as n real needs of health,education,food and such are thus it can be said to be expendable.
Be very careful as you are now living in the age of the non-essentials being simply disposed of.
Think, think and think again. ” }}
What have I so tellingly and damningly written there that you CANNOT manfully CHALLENGE?
If you CANNOT do so, then surely it has to be the truth that placates you sad, sorry Goebbels adherents even in this century?
22 Jan 2012, 20:48 pm
@David-194:
Norwich can still be relegated this season and Leeds can still be promoted to the EPL, so do not speak too soon.
If it does happen please be kind enough to wave as I pass you on your way down.
22 Jan 2012, 20:49 pm
Ag jinne Captain Katemba is talking to himself again.
In CAPS nogal,
22 Jan 2012, 20:50 pm
Janee ET, WTF u got your one big ball in a knot about tonight?
22 Jan 2012, 20:50 pm
@David-194:
You do realise that Leeds are unbeaten this year?
Anyway good to banter wrt association football, Davy of Norwich.
22 Jan 2012, 20:51 pm
Maslov says rugby rules
22 Jan 2012, 20:54 pm
@cab-201:
I have been living in summer and summer-like weather for too long now and am suddenly plunged into the snow of Philly, so rudely, despite very little snow this winter.
Philly’s fine but it ain’t home
Cape Town’s home but it ain’t mine no more.
22 Jan 2012, 20:55 pm
@stormersboy-200:
And in engrish that’s not too delicious.
Just back from from ct – thanks for the heatwave you guys organised. Returned medium rare.
22 Jan 2012, 20:57 pm
ET I thought you’d be skiing there in Philly, chasing all the tannies in your loincloth of hoe?
22 Jan 2012, 20:58 pm
@cab-206:
After a southern summer who wants to ski in the Poconos?
22 Jan 2012, 21:00 pm
Finally. Now he officially American and can get off our collective backs.
22 Jan 2012, 21:01 pm
@IAAS-205: Anytime boet
22 Jan 2012, 21:05 pm
Heatwave is still on
22 Jan 2012, 21:26 pm
@Dawn-210:
do you think you’ll be able to get those layabouts, wptid and katman and whoever else to come to firemans first week feb?
been a long time since the last outing.
otherwise a quick after work tipple at forries – we can invite tassies?
22 Jan 2012, 21:26 pm
@ET.-202:
This year, how many games is that? Anyway, I’m tired since I’ve been up since 3.30 am watching the circus that’s the Republican presidential primaries.
22 Jan 2012, 21:28 pm
@ET.-207:
what personal connection do you have with leeds?
seems odd, them wearing an all-white kit and all.
22 Jan 2012, 21:48 pm
@charo-213:
A number of South Africans support Leeds because of Lucas Radebe. It’s quite funny, because a black english Leeds supporter friend of mine has no idea why the Leeds rock group is called Kaiser Chiefs.
22 Jan 2012, 21:51 pm
Charo I have no idea. I suppose we could try.
22 Jan 2012, 21:53 pm
I don’t think he supports leeds cos of Lucas.
Some other dingbat reason maybe.
22 Jan 2012, 22:00 pm
@Dawn-215:
well otherwise we could set up a “forries” group with real capetonians like tassies and ufo.
not sure i’d be happy with some of your “atlantic coast” capitalistic bastaards
8)
22 Jan 2012, 22:03 pm
How rude!
22 Jan 2012, 22:06 pm
before i go…
real weepee supporters go to forries before a game at newlands…..
those that go to that wine bar called cubanas (or whatever) simply fall into the captive group of…
the “place to see and BE SEEN”
pretty apt hey
22 Jan 2012, 22:14 pm
@Dawn-218:
didn’t mean to be.
perhaps should have said “our” instead of “your”.
anyway, off now.
22 Jan 2012, 22:20 pm
Cubanas used to be for people who couldn’t get into Billy the bums.
I have no clue why people go there now.
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