Solly satisfied with Kings’ ‘trials’
17 Feb 2012
Kings coach Alan Solomons says their pre-season matches were all about giving players from across the region the chance to stake a Super Rugby claim.
The South-Eastern Cape franchise has fielded two different teams over the past three weeks against the five South African Super Rugby sides. The Kings team made up of EP players lost 16-12 to the Bulls and 38-13 to the Stormers in PE, and will play the Sharks at the Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium on Friday night. The Kings side drawn only from Border and SWD, the other two provinces in the franchise, went down 33-20 to the Cheetahs in East London before being thrashed 88-0 by the Lions in George.
‘To play five South African franchises in 20 days is a huge ask, in fact it’s physically impossible to do it with one side,’ Solomons told keo.co.za. ‘Having a combined Border-SWD team helped to break up that schedule. More importantly, it gave us the chance to see all the players in the region play against top quality opposition, which enables us to assess them better. That’s what we wanted to achieve from these five games, nothing more.’
Border players dominated the Border-SWD Kings side and while they were humiliated by the Lions, Solomons says he was pleased with their performance against the Cheetahs.
‘[Border centre] Dwayne Jenner did really well in that game and he’s going to play for us against the Sharks on Friday with Jaco Bekker being out. I was also impressed by [Border flank] Roy Bursey, a young boy from Selborne College who spent a year at the Sharks Academy. [Border flank] Gareth Krause and [SWD No 8] Michael Vermaak also played very well.’
Solomons, though, is realistic and admits the Kings will have to bring in players from outside the region if they are to be competitive in Super Rugby next year.
‘We will be going on a recruitment drive, targeting South Africans in Europe who will be out of contract in June at the end of the current northern-hemisphere season, as well as players from other South African provinces, especially those who hail from the Eastern Cape.’
Southern Kings (to play Sharks) – 15 Tiger Mangweni, 14 Marcello Sampson, 13 Dwayne Jenner, 12 Wayne Stevens, 11 Norman Nelson, 10 Shane Gates, 9 Falie Oelschig, 8 Vleis Engelbrecht, 7 Mpho Mbiyozo, 6 Boetie Britz, 5 David Bulbring, 4 Darron Nell (c), 3 Clint Newland, 2 Hannes Franklin, 1 Jaco Engels.
Subs: 16 Bobby Dyer, 17 Zane Killian, 18 Andre Schlechter, 19 Wayne van Heerden, 20 Reynier Bernardo, 21 Thembelani Bholi, 22 Siya Mangaliso, 22 Danie Faasen, 23 Earl Rose, 24 Matthew Tayler-Smith, 25 Kieran Goss.
By Simon Borchardt, in Port Elizabeth
401 Comments
17 Feb 2012, 06:27 am
5 games in 2m days trial dragons!
17 Feb 2012, 06:59 am
It will be interesting to see who they try to sign, and who is willing to play for them.
Will they try to get the talented, relatively young players like Pienaar, Guthro Steenkamp, Francois Steyn? Or the older players who have been in Europe for a while – Big Joe, Daan Human, Jacques Cronje? Or the younger players who never really featured in South Africa – Petrus du Plessis, Paul Bosch etc.?
There aren’t that many South African players of Super 15 standard playing in Europe, and definitely not enough to make the Kings competitive.
Or maybe they will hope to take the decent players from the relegated team? Presuming its the Lions, will Jantjes, Mapoe and Strauss play with Kings in the Super 15 and Lions in the Currie Cup? Or will they all sign for different teams, essentially not strengthening the Kings, and gutting the Lions?
17 Feb 2012, 07:01 am
OK.
Everyone go copy paste all your comments since Sunday and plak them here.
Another Kings thread.
17 Feb 2012, 07:20 am
Looks like another day of B O L L O X articles. I wonder if we will see the following:
Mitch moderately satisfied with lions preparation.
Coetzee cautiously satisfied wih Stormers preparation.
Plum positively satisfied with Sharks preparation.
Naka not satisfied with Cheetas preparation.
Ludeke largely satisfied with Bulls preparation.
Sheez it must be tough being a Keo journalist. Wonder if that junior writer has been filled, not sure there are too many writers out there who can match this type of quality article.
17 Feb 2012, 07:22 am
These Kings are like a dirty, bearded hobo. Popping up next to your car window with a sign and a bowl on a daily basis.
Now you can either roll up your window, or react irritably by hurling a bit of abuse. Seems like most people are preferring the latter course of action.
17 Feb 2012, 07:27 am
@5,
No issues with the Kings my side. Seems like they are taking advantage of the freedom that the new SA is providing. Demand, and you will get what you want.
17 Feb 2012, 07:33 am
@BULLET(BULLET)-4:
Hey Bullet, when did Naka say that
17 Feb 2012, 07:39 am
@Slarti: naka’s already making excuses on Boots ‘n All. Crying about how difficult it is to ‘blend’ cheetahs & griquas players
17 Feb 2012, 07:40 am
Hooliha Tac!
Everyone cutting ‘n pasting already?
17 Feb 2012, 07:43 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-8:
Can imagine it is hard for a useless coach…he has had them for how many years now?
17 Feb 2012, 07:52 am
Keo and his minions can punt the Kings as much as they want, promoting their client and preferred Bok captain as much as they want …….. it’s not going to happen.
17 Feb 2012, 07:57 am
Am dying to see Watsembi playing.
Don’t think he even put the jersey on yet.
17 Feb 2012, 08:01 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-10: it was hard for kakas team to put the Kings away 33-20 … not good at all.
17 Feb 2012, 08:08 am
@RL(RL)-13:
Maybe but is it true that Brussouw was the only one to ran out for the Cheetahs after half-time?
17 Feb 2012, 08:14 am
Here’s a new question regarding the Kings. Is Solly a decent coach? Can he make a bunch of mediocre players into a winning team?
Mitchell did it with the Lions… Lets face it, there were no big names until Mitchell made them so… And they still have to prove themselves this season as a quality outfit. They signed 3 ‘big’ names: Maku, James, van der linde, Mapoe…
17 Feb 2012, 08:16 am
Stormers fans getting a little antsy that they arent number 1 on the Keo Article Charts (KAC) anymore.
17 Feb 2012, 08:16 am
@Jeez(Jeez)-15: Hmmmm.
I counted 4 names there.
Just saying…
17 Feb 2012, 08:20 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-2:
You reckon this is going to be thier plan giong forward? I fail to see how hiring any of those players is going to ensure local player development in that hot bed of talent.
17 Feb 2012, 08:20 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-17:
Hehehe tis two ‘big’ names and two ‘half-big’ names making three in total! I thought it was obvious from the names mentioned…
17 Feb 2012, 08:21 am
@John Galt(John Galt)-18:
Says it right there in the last paragraph or the article.
17 Feb 2012, 08:22 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-19:
Fair enough.
My bad.
17 Feb 2012, 08:23 am
And while I am here, not long to go now.
http://www.superbru.com/superrugby/pool.asp?p=230425
Pool name: Muppits fly Business Class
Pool code: earnpent
17 Feb 2012, 08:24 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-17:
Lol Maku was a late entry….sorry
17 Feb 2012, 08:26 am
What happened to the cricket threads on here?
17 Feb 2012, 08:29 am
@chch(chch)-24:
Died a very long time ago, you been in jail or something?
17 Feb 2012, 08:31 am
I think it’s called the off season
17 Feb 2012, 08:32 am
Thanks for the info though.
Was it because this site is now attached to some other media organisation?
Or did I dream that
17 Feb 2012, 08:36 am
Very long off season you had…
They just dropped the cricket one day more than a year ago and all questions about it went, like most questions to the ‘keo elite’, unanswered.
17 Feb 2012, 08:37 am
@chch(chch)-27: no, it’s because cricket is so f.u.kk.e.n boring that nobody gives a sh.i.te
17 Feb 2012, 08:38 am
@chch(chch)-24: Gareth informed me that its too much work for them.
17 Feb 2012, 08:39 am
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-29:
What he said.
17 Feb 2012, 08:43 am
Does Keo still produce the SA Cricket magazine?
17 Feb 2012, 08:44 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-31: hey tac, i really dig this new persona of yours. it has a hard, cold edge to it. if i was a chick i’d also stalk you – like dawn is doing – but i’m not (a chick) and i don’t smaak you – just to be clear.
17 Feb 2012, 08:45 am
ok thanks
SA 52/4 after 9 overs
It passes the time during off season
I kinda got sick of one particular so called Kiwi with some psychological condition about anything to do with Auckland. He wanted to visit me to physically harm me and followed up with continual harassment. Some stuff every time. I got bored with the site (well with the craap).
But nice to be back on
17 Feb 2012, 08:47 am
Here’s a new question regarding the Kings. Is Solly a decent coach? Can he make a bunch of mediocre players into a winning team? Mitchell did it with the Lions… Lets face it, there were no big names until Mitchell made them so… And they still have to prove themselves this season as a quality outfit. They signed 4 ‘big’ names: Maku, James, van der linde, Mapoe…
17 Feb 2012, 08:50 am
@chch(chch)-34: welcome back. there can never be too many kiwis on here…..
17 Feb 2012, 08:51 am
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-33:
My persona depends on the time of day. I take a while to wake up.
17 Feb 2012, 08:52 am
@chch(chch)-34:
We could send him to an island somewhere, can drop extraball and his besties to keep him company!
70/4 now, I see Duminy is doing it in singles…we may get to 120 if not dot balls…
17 Feb 2012, 08:52 am
@Jeez(Jeez)-35:
Err. Guess I’m really not awake yet. I could’ve sworn I’ve read that already.
17 Feb 2012, 08:56 am
Lukas Watsembi is being rested like Lord Ritchbum.
He will be back to face the minnows of the VC.
Duminy and Ontong can’t hit the ball off the square.
17 Feb 2012, 08:58 am
Cheers TPG and Slarti
SA lucky to escape that catch and LBW
Going to be interesting
17 Feb 2012, 08:59 am
Kiwi crowd booing.
Very emboerit.
Probably Caner and the rest of his gollums.
17 Feb 2012, 09:00 am
Nice from Ontong.
At last.
Moigeslaan.
Six loopies.
17 Feb 2012, 09:01 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-40:
Luke is only rested against the teams that have a reason to hold a grudge against him.
That’s the Bulls, Cheetahs, Sharks, Lions and Stormers, to be clear.
In the case of the Stormers – it’s because of Schalk Burger.
In the case of the Sharks, it’s the whole John Smit story.
In the case of the Lions, Cheetahs and Bulls, it’s every guy in the team who just hate his guts out of principle.
17 Feb 2012, 09:02 am
Much better…
14.5
Williamson to Ontong, SIX
14.4
Williamson to Ontong, SIX
14.3
Williamson to Ontong, SIX
17 Feb 2012, 09:03 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-44:
And in the case of the Boks, it’s Heyneke Meyer, for what Cheeky did to rig the voting in favour of Snor the last time around.
That last one is a bit of a bummer for Keo and his “Luke for Bok captain” campaign.
17 Feb 2012, 09:03 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-44: what’s the john smit story?
17 Feb 2012, 09:03 am
Even better…
14.6
Williamson to Ontong, SIX
14.5
Williamson to Ontong, SIX, this is fuller outside off but it doesn’t matter, Ontong goes for three in three and gets it, sends it sailing into the stands at midwicket
14.4
Williamson to Ontong, SIX, full toss and Ontong makes it two in two, slaps it flat over the rope at his favourite cow corner
14.3
Williamson to Ontong, SIX, comes down the track and heaves a ball outside off across the line and over the boundary at cow corner
17 Feb 2012, 09:04 am
God I’m weary of all the King’s carthorses and all the King’s journeymen.
I’d almost prefer another day of Stormers propaganda.
17 Feb 2012, 09:04 am
What the hell is going on with Ontong??
17 Feb 2012, 09:04 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-48:
Take a hike with that meaningless countdown of yours.
17 Feb 2012, 09:05 am
Haha
15.2
Southee to Ontong, OUT
JL Ontong c & b Southee 32 (17b 0×4 4×6) SR: 188.23
17 Feb 2012, 09:05 am
Can the umpire go upstairs on if the ball came off the bat or not?
17 Feb 2012, 09:05 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-45: Really?
Im missing out.
17 Feb 2012, 09:07 am
@chch(chch)-53:
For a catch yes.
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-51:
Skip as dit jou plae, jy is mos goed daarmee poepol.
17 Feb 2012, 09:07 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-42:
17 Feb 2012, 09:07 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-48: Dankie Edwill…hehehe
17 Feb 2012, 09:08 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-48: i’m so excited i can hardly contain myself.
a bit like dawn on a date with taccie…
17 Feb 2012, 09:08 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-55:
Odd that he didn’t go upstairs then
17 Feb 2012, 09:10 am
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-58: Has “Die Ontug Wet” been repealed yet???
Whats next? Women allowed to vote?
Crazy I tell you!
17 Feb 2012, 09:12 am
How the hell can they start asking for man of the match votes now.
Just money making bolllocks
17 Feb 2012, 09:14 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-60: daar’s niks soos n bietjie ONTUG om die naweek mee te begin nie….
17 Feb 2012, 09:15 am
@chch(chch)-61: Hey thats not to bad… In Pakistan they do that sh it a week before the game!!
17 Feb 2012, 09:17 am
@Jeez(Jeez)-35:
The Lions haven’t won anything at the Super Rugby level since 1993, better remember that winning the CC at a RWC year is nice but doesn’t really constitute a step into turning into a rugby power house, not yet.
The defunct EP rugby union since 1996 will not be revived in the foreseen future: no infra structure, facilities turned to derelict under the comrades watch, clubs like Utinhage probably ceased exist.
A willing and able paying fan basis is too small to support the minimum for a class1 rugby franchise, in short, no quick fix
17 Feb 2012, 09:17 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-63:
Would make no difference in Pakistan because man of the match is decided before the game
17 Feb 2012, 09:17 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-63: ha ha. And it’s surprisingly accurate.
17 Feb 2012, 09:19 am
@Hondo(Hondo)-64: Hi Hondo.
You gonna indulge in some ontug this weekend?
17 Feb 2012, 09:22 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-67: fasta masta die medem kom
17 Feb 2012, 09:22 am
Like in December when Kiwi Doug Bracewell took 9 wickets for 60 runs in Australia and the Australians still gave their own guy man of the match.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-new-zealand-2011/content/story/545078.html
Criminals they were, criminals they are
17 Feb 2012, 09:24 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-66: So hoe lyk dit, gaan jou span hulle finansiele kak uitgesort kry. Wat gaan deesdae daar aan?
Julle finansies en ons truie lyk ewe kak
17 Feb 2012, 09:24 am
My meisie dra ‘n pasboek
In neëntien vier en tagtig
Sy sê vir my jou askoek
Ek sê vir haar “jy’s pragtig”
Op die stasies in lokasies
Skep ons wrywingsituasies
En daar is ontug in die lug
Ontug onder die brug
Ontug oral waar jy kyk, ja
Dis ontugtyd vir jou en my
My meisie is in die township
En ek is in die Navy
My kuif is blond soos botter
En haar oë is bruin soos gravy
Op die stasies in lokasies
Skep ons wrywingsituasies
En daar is ontug in die lug
Ontug onder die brug
Ontug oral waar jy kyk, ja
Dis ontugtyd vir jou en my
My meisie sê “vannaand moet ons gaan dans
Want dis dalk jou laaste kans”
Ons kan dit doen ons kan maar soen
Want ons is altwee Afrikaans
Op die stasies in lokkasies
Skep ons wrywingsituasies
En daar is ontug in die lug
Ontug onder die brug
Ontug oral waar jy kyk, ja
Dis ontugtyd vir jou en my
17 Feb 2012, 09:25 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-70: Ek het vir Kevin ‘n tjek gestuur. Hulle’s okay vir nou, en waarskynlik vir die volgende ses maande of so. Sal maar sien wat daarna gebeur.
17 Feb 2012, 09:27 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-71: kerkorrel?
17 Feb 2012, 09:27 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-28:
Interest in cricket was fast waning, the public sector targeted by commercials and sponsors became too small to support the website.
The standards and the excitement gone, so did the public interest
17 Feb 2012, 09:27 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-71:
Ai tog. Here we go again.
17 Feb 2012, 09:29 am
Score looks a bit low but we will have to wait to see how NZ handle the wicket.
17 Feb 2012, 09:30 am
@Hondo(Hondo)-64: “clubs in uitenhage probably ceased to exist” yeah right, speak on things you have knowledge of.
17 Feb 2012, 09:30 am
Stake a place for inclusion in Super Rugby???
Are the kings playing this year already???
Geez, between Keo and Solly the ministry of propaganda is in full swing…
17 Feb 2012, 09:31 am
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-73: Letoit (before he became Kombuis).
17 Feb 2012, 09:31 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-75: Does that song make you uncomfortable? Does it stir things deep within you?
17 Feb 2012, 09:32 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-78:
its a vetkoek accompli.
17 Feb 2012, 09:32 am
@chch(chch)-76: It’s not the wicket you should be concerned about. It’s blokes flinging the balls down it.
17 Feb 2012, 09:33 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-67:
No!
meaningless rugby still, no purse nor interest
Next week would be different, the last Test season and the RWC were abysmal to watch, the Super Rugby couldn’t come a week too early
Money talks!
17 Feb 2012, 09:34 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-78: ****** mal. I reckon they should just put these okes up against a full strength Bulls Sharks or Stormers team and have them settle this crazy kak once and for all.
Nobody wants to watch a game where the winner has a three digit score every week.
17 Feb 2012, 09:35 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-82:
lol, that too
17 Feb 2012, 09:36 am
How did Solly do when he coached WP, dont know much about him cept my father didnt like like him as coach.
17 Feb 2012, 09:37 am
Wat is ontug.
17 Feb 2012, 09:38 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-87:
Onanism.
17 Feb 2012, 09:38 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-77:
It based on knowledge of those who live there, like The Pirates in Greenside, it could be still active but no one seen any evidence of it.
Just because some ‘comrades’ still collect some SARU allocation to a club it does not necessarily means it exists?
17 Feb 2012, 09:39 am
Does it have to do with knaters
17 Feb 2012, 09:39 am
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-86: I’m a big Solly fan.
Great coach, really talented and a very good man manager.
It’s not his fault that he has to deal with the terrible twosome.
17 Feb 2012, 09:39 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-87: The illicit love across the colour line. There was a law specifically prohibiting it.
17 Feb 2012, 09:40 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-90:
17 Feb 2012, 09:40 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-87: In ET se geval is dit om jou tollie in n waatlemoen te druk en sy goose vang hom.
17 Feb 2012, 09:42 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-80:
I’m struggling for the right analogy here.
You guys are like a bunch of toddlers who rebelled against their strict parents, who were the headmaster and headmistress of the school and were intensely disliked by the other kids.
Eventually, they manage to get rid of the old folks to much cheering and celebrations.
But now that the parents are dead they realise no one actually gives a sh*t about their patricidal effforts, and in fact, now that your parents are gone, the other kids want you gone too.
So you sit around in a little corner, listening to old songs mocking your parents, cause it’s all that you have to cling to. Meanwhile the entire school is crumbling around you because the ill disciplined kids are now running the show.
It’s just a bit pitiful, that’s all.
17 Feb 2012, 09:42 am
You all get off Tac’s case today I’m warning you.
I know people.
17 Feb 2012, 09:42 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-91: Huzzit
, so he was a good coach then. How come he left, was he canned or just moved on.
17 Feb 2012, 09:42 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-94: Dis ou nuus. Hy en die waatlemoen het al net na Kersfees saam ingetrek.
17 Feb 2012, 09:43 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-84: Well they’ve played some “warm up games against some of the Super Rugby teams and gotten a good snotting each time.
It will take them a long time to get up to speed once admitted.
The thing is, you can go and buy players but you cannot do that for positions 1 – 22. Or even the 30 required for a squad minimum. You have to make the majority of your squad from the existing structures with some bigger names in there.
Still don’t see them winning a game for the first 2 years.
17 Feb 2012, 09:44 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-94:
hahahahahaha i understood most of that 
17 Feb 2012, 09:45 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-95: You’re right, your analogy is struggling.
But the real pitiful part is really that, in 2012, you’re still filled with little shudders of revulsion at the thought of Letoit and his black girlfriend.
17 Feb 2012, 09:46 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-98: Bwahahahaha!!!!
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-99: Well they are here to stay so I guess we’ll have to stick it out until by some miracle they turn things around……..long road ahead.
17 Feb 2012, 09:49 am
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-97: He left to take up a coaching position as head coach of Ulster.
When he came back he got involved with the kings.
What a lot of people don’t know is that Alan was a very successful lawyer in Cape Town, a partner in the top CT firm Sonnenburgs.
He was making a great deal more money as an attorney than he stood to make as a coach.
But coaching was his passion and I applaud him for doing that.
17 Feb 2012, 09:50 am
I see Simon Boychick is actually in Port Elizabeth.
Is this an example of this “embedded journalism” I keep hearing about?
17 Feb 2012, 09:51 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-101: You will now be subjected to another analogy.
Something along the lines of “A mossie en ‘n vink kan langs mekaar sit op dieselfde telefoondraad, maar hulle sal nooit paar nie.”
17 Feb 2012, 09:53 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-101:
Incorrect.
I just think that things like say world wide economic collapse, avoiding nuclear proliferation or preventing the imminent depletion of our natural resources are a bit higher on the ladder of priorities than being able to spyker who you want.
So of all the causes “Letoit” etc. could have picked, I mean come on, couldn’t they have been a bit more ambitious?
But then, daggarokers aren’t exactly known for their ambition, are they.
You though, you could aspire to more. I know it.
17 Feb 2012, 09:53 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-105: Die moeilikeid is die mossie het die wil van n hamster en die rug van n hond………
17 Feb 2012, 09:56 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-104: He’s a minstrel in the Kings’ court.
17 Feb 2012, 09:56 am
“Spyker”!!!
17 Feb 2012, 10:00 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-106:
taken in historical and political context…
that song was/is very ambitious indeed…
and not a little courageous…
one thing painting a target on your back on the interweb…
another thing entirely to do it in the real world of apartheid south africa…
17 Feb 2012, 10:00 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-106: Please tell me you’re only trying to be argumentative here.
Letoit wrote and recorded this in 1987.
I’ll say that again. 1987.
That’s like Lennon singing “Give peace a chance” in 1969. Listening to it now, or speaking about it, doesn’t mean we’re still calling for the withdrawal of troops from Vietnam.
Please assure me that you know this.
17 Feb 2012, 10:00 am
Simon has a luncheon appointment with Watsembi
17 Feb 2012, 10:02 am
Wam bam thank you mam!
17 Feb 2012, 10:04 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-112: They’re going to discuss strategy over some nigiri and a glass of chenin. Simon has a couple of press releases and a cunning google ad words campaign he’d like to run by him. While showing him some pie charts that prove their last week of social media coverage is off the fcking charts.
17 Feb 2012, 10:06 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-112:
Sashimi and Fuji mineral water.
Served on a naked dwarf.
17 Feb 2012, 10:06 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-115: Is keo embedded there too?
17 Feb 2012, 10:08 am
Speaking of spyker the kiwis are spitroasting our bowlers.
Longone Tsotsobe is going to be lucky to escape with his manhood in tact.
17 Feb 2012, 10:08 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-111:
Not really interested in this debate.
We will never agree, so what’s the point.
You see these things like they were momentous events in the history of the world. I don’t.
I think I’m gonna dig out some songs from the USA in the 1930′s where some guy is lamenting the Prohibition of alcohol and his longing for a bottle of whisky.
17 Feb 2012, 10:11 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-116:
say no more.
but if lukas spears a cocktail sausage instead of a piece of unagi, then we’ll know for sure.
17 Feb 2012, 10:12 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-118: They were momentous, by the way. The Voëlvry movement did more for the liberation and unblinkering of our generation of Afrikaner than just about anything else. Changed the face of music, literature and art, but also opened people’s eyes and got them thinking. Something that half a century of Afrikaner Chrsitelike Nasionale onderrig tried very hard to prevent. I’m sorry you found yourself on the unfortunate side of the fence when “sht got real”.
17 Feb 2012, 10:13 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-111:
Here you go. Some competition for “Letoit”.
A day is born, July the first
And with it comes a shock
John Barleycorn who quenched your thirst
Passed out at twelve o’clock
The mourners come from far and near
Their bitter tears to shed
July the first, prohibition’s here
And alcohol is dead
[Mourners:]
Alcohol, alcohol
Sorry to see you go
Alcohol, alcohol
Oh, how we’ll miss you so
Fare thee well, fare thee well
Place us in a padded cell
For the country’s going to hell
Now that she’s going dry, dry, dry
We hate to say goodbye
[Bartenders:]
What are we going to do now?
What are we going to do?
Gone are the beer saloons
And we went with them too
The future now looks very black
Because the future points
To red neck-ties and tennis shirts
And sarsparilla joints
Where are we going to work now?
Maybe before we are through
We’ll have to join the soda water crew
We’ll have rouge upon our lips
And our hands upon our hips
Heaven help us when we do
[Chorus Girls:]
Gee, but it’s gonna be tough for the chorus ladies from now on
How are we going to wrestle a Rolls-Royce from a Jack or John?
A little bit of Haig and Haig while we were having sup
Would help to make the tightest Ebeneezer loosen up
But now it’s gonna be tougher
Now we’re going to suffer
Now that the town is growing dry
[The Working Man:]
I want my beer, I want my beer
And there are no two ways about it
I want my beer, I want my beer
I won’t do any work without it
The working man must have his can
To do his work from year to year
Oh, how I wish again
That I was a fish again
Swimming in an ocean of beer
[Soldiers:]
So, this is the land of the free
That awoke when the U-boats were sinking
And told us to go o’er the sea
And protect her liberty
Now I’m just as true as can be
To my land, but I cannot help from thinking
That I should have stayed in Paree
Where no one dares to interfere with what you’re drinking
17 Feb 2012, 10:13 am
Tsotsobe has just been hit for a six of 127 metres!
Holyshit. I never knew that was possible. That has to be some kind of record.
17 Feb 2012, 10:14 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-121: Great stuff. Who is it by? And do you own the album?
17 Feb 2012, 10:16 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-103: Thanks interesting, how successful was he at the Stormers ? Average, good, or not.
Am curious so i can sort of figure out what he can do with the Kings.
17 Feb 2012, 10:16 am
John Barleycorn Is Dead.
17 Feb 2012, 10:18 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-118:
Considering that you’ve chosen your nic Tacitus – after one of the greatest Romans whose specialties were history and oratory…
and Publius Cornelius Tacitus was “known for his penetrating insights into the psychology of power politics,” it is indeed ironic how easily you dismiss another orator and historian…
especially one who recorded your history…
17 Feb 2012, 10:22 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-71: Now you people all understand where I am coming from when I say ol katters has genuine connections to the Soft Shoes.
I guarantee you he knows every word of every ditty that they came out with and has a poster of Daren Scott adjourning his autographed Schalk Naude special on his pub wall
17 Feb 2012, 10:29 am
@ufo(ufo)-126: I think the only tangible connection between our Tac and the Roman is the Romans middle name….. Cornelius.
Eerie connection that!
17 Feb 2012, 10:30 am
@Bod(bod)-128:
how was your all inclusive mini-break in Benidorm?
17 Feb 2012, 10:40 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-129: El Benicadell remains a “must do’ descent for any self respecting mountain bike trail rider.
Beyond belief, el Bod chickened out of the winter Mediterranean swell…. too cold…. too strong and too big! The Mini Mal sayed in the Kango, as the beachfront bar/restaurente in Denia and its roaring fire and almuertza of bocadillo’s and vino tinto remained far more appetising
17 Feb 2012, 10:43 am
Hold on a minute. I thought the point of the Kings was that a whole legion of black players from the Eastern Cape would play for them, having been denied the opportunity of having a team to play for so far (:roll:) thus raising the number of black players and raising the profile of rugby in the black community.
So why the fook are they looking to overseas players to boost their squad next year?
Whichever SA franchise loses out and is left in the cold next year, all those surplus players (once the best have been snapped up by the others) will just move to the Kings to play Super rugby. How does that benefit black people?
17 Feb 2012, 10:45 am
I am finding this mauling we are receiving at the hands of the “might” of Martin Guptil and Tim Southee particularly hard to swallow.
What is going on out there??
17 Feb 2012, 10:47 am
@Bod(bod)-130:
that’s probably wise.
in your cycling gear a seal may have mistaken you for a female of the species and tried some barry white on you.
17 Feb 2012, 10:51 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-133:
Its just a shame you dont get seals in this neck of the woods, oh wise one
17 Feb 2012, 10:54 am
Advice for Solly’s recruitment plans / shopping list, target the following positions:
Tighthead
Reserve Tighthead
Hooker
Nr8
Scrumhalf
Fullback
A top goalkicker
17 Feb 2012, 10:57 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-131: That’s the way BEE works. As long as you have the right folk in the shop window, you can employ whoever you like to do the job.
17 Feb 2012, 10:58 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-136:
And they’re “Voelvry” to keep doing it, so no use complaining..
17 Feb 2012, 11:00 am
@Bod(bod)-132:
guptil is seeing it like a footie.
17 Feb 2012, 11:00 am
17 Feb 2012, 11:02 am
Rusty just got farked by the umpire.
17 Feb 2012, 11:10 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-136: cue transie
17 Feb 2012, 11:12 am
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-141: Transie knows this.
90% of BEE deals do fckall to empower black workers or black business ownership. It’s window dressing to comply with legislation and land business.
17 Feb 2012, 11:14 am
SA truly suck at T20.
17 Feb 2012, 11:20 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-142: but he’ll defend it no doubt.
17 Feb 2012, 11:21 am
Kiwis cannot win anything without cheating.
LBW not given by the ‘Bryce-like’ umpire
They have become so skilled at winning with cheating, in my estimation they are a good 10-15% ahead of the rest of the world
Once a cheat always a cheat
17 Feb 2012, 11:22 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-142:
Indeed.
It’s the fault of cheeky whites trying to bend the rules.
Maevis sits on the board of three companies and she has no clue that they exist.
17 Feb 2012, 11:25 am
South African whites are now more racist then before 1994; more subtle about it but nevertheless still more racist.
That is a fact that cannot be disputed.
17 Feb 2012, 11:29 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-147: That is not true.
See what I just did?
I disputed your statement.
Thereby proving you wrong.
I win!
17 Feb 2012, 11:34 am
Belch
17 Feb 2012, 11:35 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-147: you are d o.o s – probably were before 1994 as well.
that is a fact that cannot be disputed.
17 Feb 2012, 11:36 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-145:
shut it Omar.
we had very fortunate escapes when batting.
the kiwis cricket cheating is not in the same league as their rugby cheating.
When Paddy O’Brien becomes head of the ICC test Umpire Panel then you can start worrying.
17 Feb 2012, 11:37 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-147: Back up your facts. I want graphs, pie charts and a slide show of infographics.
17 Feb 2012, 11:38 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-147:
now you are being very embraboer Omar.
do you still get christmas cards from Pietman and the Klan?
you are what we call in the trade a Porchmonkey.
And not to be trusted.
How is that for subtle?
17 Feb 2012, 11:40 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-147:
Aint you married to a white chick?
Is she racist to?
17 Feb 2012, 11:40 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-153: Porchmonkey? Is that the same as a house n…….?
17 Feb 2012, 11:40 am
More racist ‘than’
2012 -1994 = 18 years and still they cannot even sing the national anthem; it is matters like these that we will have to address before we can expect blessing ( I use that word quite deliberately)
So in a sense we get what we deserve when we get cheated by the Kiwis;
It will help if we can undo the work of those who inaugurated the Voortrekker Monument in 1949 and now again in 2012 (both centenary celebrations); nationalism (that is self-exaltation but on national level) will get us nowhere
So how do I put this in simple terms? We need to repent from it, that’s in essence what it boils down to. And when that happens, you emancipate yourself from a situation where you are continually cheated; it wont stop them from trying to cheat you but ‘the bounce of the ball’ will begin to go your way
I guess you can figure out why the ‘bounce of the ball’ will go your way
17 Feb 2012, 11:43 am
@the peanut gallery(peanut)-150:
I see that statement resonated with you.
17 Feb 2012, 11:44 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-155:
leave ET out of this.
17 Feb 2012, 11:45 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-151:
But they cheat nevertheless; I think we agree on that.
They have made it an art form. It is always a case of ‘ dont worry about it, let’s get on with the game’
17 Feb 2012, 11:46 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-158:
17 Feb 2012, 11:47 am
i am also satisfied solly.great work you and the watsons are doing down there in the ec. keep it up.
17 Feb 2012, 11:47 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-156: Come on, your people have an even worse anthem track record. Funny that no one ever mentions this though.
17 Feb 2012, 11:48 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-152:
Racism 1994: 1050 kilograms (B)
Thus (B) > (A)
17 Feb 2012, 11:49 am
@clm(clm)-161: Yep, they’re coming on in leaps and bounds. Two years ago that 88-0 would have been 100-0.
10 Kudus to them.
17 Feb 2012, 11:50 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-160:
What is the green face?
I failed emoticon 101.
Have you had bad sushi?
17 Feb 2012, 11:51 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-157: ya, i’m definitely more racist now than before your post….
17 Feb 2012, 11:53 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-153:
My apologies if I upset you, but you should know by now that ‘that’s how I roll’
Here’s a tip: simply expect it and it wont upset you that much; reflect on that
17 Feb 2012, 11:54 am
@Mr Black(Mr Black)-154:
What does my marital status have to do with this?
Are you attracted to me?
17 Feb 2012, 11:54 am
How’s your wife feeling about all this hatred you have towards other white people?
17 Feb 2012, 11:55 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-147: i understand the cape is the most racist city in south africa.when i was in the cape nearly a year ago i discovered that all kind of whites have moved down there…vrystaters,gauties and whatever.they all want to be close to the madam.
17 Feb 2012, 11:55 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-164:
he’s never been with a kudu.
their legs are too long.
17 Feb 2012, 11:56 am
@clm(clm)-170: should read cape town
17 Feb 2012, 11:56 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-162:
My people are the South African people; I merely highlighted a slice of the pie chart
Face it katman, after 18 years you still, yeah still dont know the national anthem
17 Feb 2012, 11:57 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-165: Closet thing to a Cape Flats smile.
17 Feb 2012, 11:58 am
I mean we kill 1 boer a month (after 100′s of years of them treating their workers like cr@p) and the whole AWB goes crazy! you bring it up every 5 minutes. If a black oke is killed, then its nothing! You guys need to accept that quotas like habana and de jongh are here to stay, if they deserve it or not! and they should totally ban “Die Stem” at rugby matches! Die stem reminds me too much of my mother opening her legs for bread money!
17 Feb 2012, 11:59 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-174:
good.
because bad sushi can be terrible.
17 Feb 2012, 11:59 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-156:
Do they sing the ‘Die Stem’ in the squatter Camps?
I didn’t check, did you?
17 Feb 2012, 11:59 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-173: How does not knowing the national anthem translate to racism?
17 Feb 2012, 11:59 am
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-173: I was, of course, referring to the 3 million odd coloured folk in SA, who generally couldn’t be bothered with either half of the anthem. Yet no one rounds up lynch mobs for them.
17 Feb 2012, 12:00 pm
Here’s post 163 again: before 1994 we had 1000 kilograms of racism whereas after 1994 we had 1050 kilograms of racism;
( tried to a nice mathematical formula as it captures it so nicely but the wordpress filters would not allow)
As racism is negative and not positive, we are worse off now (reflect on it, it’s quite abstract)
17 Feb 2012, 12:01 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-171: Ja, even a standard poodle is a tall order for our Capo.
17 Feb 2012, 12:01 pm
Theres a pearl of wisdom for you
Dont know the words of an anthem = you are a racist
‘Strewth…..
17 Feb 2012, 12:02 pm
@Sherriff(suffer_guy)-175: Count the r’s.
Fake.
17 Feb 2012, 12:03 pm
@Sherriff(suffer_guy)-175: So you place yourself (“we”) on the side that’s doing the farm killings?
17 Feb 2012, 12:03 pm
Sheriff is indeed married to w white woman.
I seen ‘em with my own eyes
17 Feb 2012, 12:03 pm
@clm(clm)-170:
It’s hard to say, you will have to determine the mass in kilograms
But yeah, the Cape is right up there
17 Feb 2012, 12:04 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-183: Ah, should have known.
17 Feb 2012, 12:04 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-185: He brings much tender to their marriage.
17 Feb 2012, 12:06 pm
He ain’t that hot though
Sort of a cullart Keo
17 Feb 2012, 12:06 pm
@Sherriff(suffer_guy)-175:
You previous nick shows so I guess you cannot really pose as me
Dont do this as it shows you lack the courage to state your views
17 Feb 2012, 12:07 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-188: :capeflatssmiley:
WordPress really needs one.
17 Feb 2012, 12:07 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-177:
They probably do
17 Feb 2012, 12:07 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-189: He rich?
17 Feb 2012, 12:09 pm
Don’t look rich.
17 Feb 2012, 12:10 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-189:
you mean he looks like langers?
17 Feb 2012, 12:10 pm
suffer guy….moet nou nie n doooooos wees nie.
17 Feb 2012, 12:10 pm
Where is Tac. These wannabe revolutionaries work on my gat.
17 Feb 2012, 12:10 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-191: duidelik
17 Feb 2012, 12:11 pm
boots n all is hardly worth watching these days.
matthew pearce is a nice enough bloke but not exactly sparkling.
wish darren scott could come back and liven up the show.
17 Feb 2012, 12:11 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-178:
I find it shocking that I have to explain this.
By not singing the full anthem, those who do so, make a public statement that they do not support the idea that we are all equal in SA
They dont really believe we are equal; they work very hard to use the resources at their disposal to convey that message
17 Feb 2012, 12:12 pm
Indeed artist.
17 Feb 2012, 12:12 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-191:
hold your smiley still and let me get my pliers.
17 Feb 2012, 12:12 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-191: you are nothing but an ‘uncle tom’ character on this forum.
17 Feb 2012, 12:13 pm
I wonder how he and his father-in-law gets along?
17 Feb 2012, 12:14 pm
Despite having the words of Die Stem forced down my gullet by all and sundry as I grew up on a daily mothereffing basis I never got to learn the words.
Never knew em, still dont and never will
Begone you racist infidel….
17 Feb 2012, 12:15 pm
If I was his father in law ek sou vir hom lankal uit die huis uit geskop het.
I think the father in law is offshore.
Bride looks foreign.
17 Feb 2012, 12:16 pm
@charo(charo)-199: So does Katman
17 Feb 2012, 12:17 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-188:
how many BEE points is Omar worth?
I mean what are his struggle credentials?
apart from dropped suspension and freeflow ricoffee exhaust on his man utd mark 1 golf?
17 Feb 2012, 12:17 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-200: Come on, eerwaarde sheriff, don’t ignore my posts on the subject just because they’re tricksy. Tell me why most coloured people don’t sing either part of the anthem. What kind of racist does that make them?
Also, do you think Die Stem is belted out by black folk across the country when the anthem is played? Be honest.
17 Feb 2012, 12:17 pm
@clm(clm)-203: It takes all sorts.
17 Feb 2012, 12:18 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-189:
Dawn, you are unknowingly trying to show me that you care about me. Well done.
I have your best interests at heart as well.
17 Feb 2012, 12:21 pm
@Taahirah-Uncle Tom(Taahirah) -210: if you say so tom.
17 Feb 2012, 12:21 pm
I don’t care two jots.
I was pointed in that direction by someone else you are trying to stalk. Unsuccessfully.
17 Feb 2012, 12:22 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-200: Ever made room for the following possibilities:
(1) Not singing the anthem coz I simply dont know it.
(2)Not doing so coz I think its the result of cheap politicking, a laslappieskombers
(3)Not belting it out coz I sound like a poodle being loved by Capo
(4) Not partaking coz I consider patriotism to be the last refug of the scoundrel.
Etc.
Yet. For you its a clearcut case of racism?
17 Feb 2012, 12:22 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-179:
Embrace your own colouredness; are you not of mixed origin?
17 Feb 2012, 12:22 pm
@Bod(bod)-205:
you have your own anthem in edgemead don’t you?
@Dawn(Dawn)-206:
mail order bride?
on the SACOS expense account.
maybe she is latvian.
we shall ask nils.
17 Feb 2012, 12:23 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-208: He scores big points for regular Galaxy attendance.
17 Feb 2012, 12:24 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-215: Dodge, dodge dodge…
You know, you can just say that you don’t have an answer. No shame in that.
17 Feb 2012, 12:24 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-206: Mail order?
17 Feb 2012, 12:24 pm
17 Feb 2012, 12:25 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-208:
You get so worked up when you reply to my posts; I read yours and just get a sense of anxiety/sweaty palms
Calm down, order your thoughts and then write
17 Feb 2012, 12:25 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-219: Even that was a mistake. He thought it was a male order catalogue.
17 Feb 2012, 12:26 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-206: don’t come here with your xenophobic attitude.
17 Feb 2012, 12:26 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-216: Yip. Its called something like “10 bullet points on how to avoid inbreeding”
17 Feb 2012, 12:26 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-220:
Dawn, have you been to the Galaxy.
17 Feb 2012, 12:27 pm
Clm
Klim in jou moer in
17 Feb 2012, 12:28 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-209:
Mate, I think you drive the dodge
All people of colour I know, know the anthem – you will have to post a clip on youtube to show the contrary
I will concede that some may mispronounce some of the words, but to the best of my knowledge they all sing the full anthem
17 Feb 2012, 12:29 pm
What cullart worth their salt HASN’T been to Galaxy
17 Feb 2012, 12:29 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-227: Kak.
17 Feb 2012, 12:29 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-228:
17 Feb 2012, 12:30 pm
‘The worlds greatest one day machine” has just been hammered.
Luverly
17 Feb 2012, 12:30 pm
Katman drives a Dodge?
Who knew!
17 Feb 2012, 12:32 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-226: why don’t you jump kaalgat into the cabin with uncle tom alias taahira
17 Feb 2012, 12:32 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-227: How many “people of colour” DO you know?
17 Feb 2012, 12:32 pm
I like it when I hear Afrikaans music when the guys next door are having a braai.
I like that there are only 3 kids in that house, not 6.
I like that they like rugby and not soccer.
I like that they don’t believe in sacrificing cows in the back yard.
I like that they don’t have regular family get togethers numbering between 20 and 30 cars, all with personalised number plates like “Mr. Cool” or “Jabulani 1″ on their financed-with-a-massive-balloon-payment Beamers and Mercs.
I like that these neighbours likely share a lot of my interests.
And for safety reasons, I like that they will make it easier to identify “suspicious persons” in the neighbourhood.
Now, all of the above mean that I like to live in a comfort zone. So sue me.
17 Feb 2012, 12:32 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-213:
Caring is a sign of moral character and strength.
Im comfortable with that. As long as you are not secretly in love with me. That I will not allow or approve.
17 Feb 2012, 12:32 pm
I used to DJ at a cullart night club in Athlone in the 90′s.
The cullarts loved me so they did.
for about a month.
17 Feb 2012, 12:33 pm
Be carefull folks, Sheriff will psycho analyze your as s, its his profession.
17 Feb 2012, 12:34 pm
what happened to that ***** ‘suffer guy’? typical white scum.when they can’t win the debate they resort to nick stealing.
17 Feb 2012, 12:35 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-237: Should have kept the Nirvana in the box. That sht either works or it doesn’t.
17 Feb 2012, 12:35 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-214:
You must reflect on the matter privately.
I’ve tabled it, so you can research and draw your own conclusions. See what I’ve done as guidance.
17 Feb 2012, 12:35 pm
@Bod(bod)-224:
please man.
there are more working class expat poms in edgemead than there are in Marbella.
Southenders.
17 Feb 2012, 12:35 pm
At last. Toga Tac is back.
17 Feb 2012, 12:36 pm
@clm(clm)-239: That’s rich, sodomite. How many nics have you had here?
17 Feb 2012, 12:36 pm
Nee kyk, dinge gaan weer lekker hier vandag
17 Feb 2012, 12:38 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-234:
A lot
17 Feb 2012, 12:38 pm
Sheriff. So glad I made your day.
Now leave me and my buddies alone, freak.
17 Feb 2012, 12:38 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-235: Fair enough, but don’t bleat too confidently about the personalised number plates. Your women are very fond of their Bokkie-1 and Koekie-1 plates.
17 Feb 2012, 12:38 pm
@willievz(willievz)-245:
Almal is gatvol gewag vir die rugby om te begin.
17 Feb 2012, 12:38 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-240:
one particularly aggressive young man (he may have been Omar) wearing a Luther Vandroos T shirt accused me of (joupoes) killing the floor.
In the words of Robin Auld I told I killed bigger floors than that.
The booze was free though and the drugs were better than anything you could get in Sea Point.
17 Feb 2012, 12:39 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-237:
Should have played the basics ……. Depeche Mode.
Cullarts dig that band.
17 Feb 2012, 12:40 pm
He knows a lot of people of colour.
Oh for goodness sake
17 Feb 2012, 12:42 pm
Depressed Mode!
Hey. Don’t knock it. Me and depressed mode go back a ways!
17 Feb 2012, 12:42 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-250: Vandross, you say? Sounds like it might have been Langers. Did he have wet curls?
Either way, “here we are now, entertain us” doesn’t always guarantee tears of headbanging joy. I guess you already know that.
17 Feb 2012, 12:42 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-244: sodomite?easy now katters.a bit rich coming from a grandson whose granny was nothing but a two-slice white bread w hore during her time at her holiday camp.
17 Feb 2012, 12:43 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-252: What colour? Cerise? Peach? Mauve? Mustard?
17 Feb 2012, 12:44 pm
….en die kak sit weer wit innie blom
17 Feb 2012, 12:44 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-247:
Be careful of who you regard as friends.
I say this because I care.
17 Feb 2012, 12:44 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-244:
he gets a new one for every stolen cellphone.
at last count 41.
17 Feb 2012, 12:45 pm
@clm(clm)-255: I was referring to your canine buggery habits, of course. But classy retort, capo.
17 Feb 2012, 12:45 pm
Dunno who’s worse.
Extraball or sheriff
17 Feb 2012, 12:47 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-251:
They were always gagging for RandfuckingB.
My kryptonite.
17 Feb 2012, 12:47 pm
Why should I be careful?
Are they dangerous?
17 Feb 2012, 12:47 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-261: Extraterrestrial Toskop by a country mile
17 Feb 2012, 12:48 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-258: she is already lost…..way down cunther and katters arse.
17 Feb 2012, 12:49 pm
I consider Tac my friend.
He is not dangerous.
17 Feb 2012, 12:49 pm
As Capo slowly starts to diappear up his own well-used fundament once again the argument for social darwinism becomes more compelling.
17 Feb 2012, 12:50 pm
Clm
I told you. Klim in jou moer in.
17 Feb 2012, 12:51 pm
I have never been down anyone’s arse in my life and I ain’t starting now.
17 Feb 2012, 12:53 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-262:
just don’t gel.
R&B and “pink shampagne’s”
17 Feb 2012, 12:54 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-263:
Here’s a task that you can do as a snack over the weekend:
* Make a list of all your friends
* Then take them one x one and ask: why do I think this indiv is my friend?
* Consolidate the list into 3 categories:
a- Yes ; b – maybe ( actually I’d like them to be) and c – No
Then invest your time in the ‘a’ category ; cut those in category c and let those in category b show their hand
In short, develop a healthy mix of those of who you can trust and those who you cannot
This exercise will make you thirsty so afterwards, pour yourself a glass of Stoney
17 Feb 2012, 12:55 pm
Too much PT
17 Feb 2012, 12:56 pm
@clm(clm)-265:
behave poodlenaaier.
she is a lady.
unlike that two bit circle jerk that shat you out her bumhole.
17 Feb 2012, 12:57 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-270:
champagne.
17 Feb 2012, 12:58 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-273: how’s your daddy,the pink wonder ,doing?
17 Feb 2012, 12:59 pm
Fukket and I thought the railway stand at Newlands and Oos bo at Loftus was a rough place……..
17 Feb 2012, 13:02 pm
no need to get angru cunther boytjie.i did not mean to hurt your boyfriend katters feelings but the truth is the truth.you can console katman tonight by looking him behind the head and singing ‘die volle weergawe van die stem uit volle bors’. geniet dit kerels.
17 Feb 2012, 13:04 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-249: Ek kan nie wag nie, naweke gaan nou weer ekstra plesier verskaf!
17 Feb 2012, 13:04 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-251: Whats wrong with Depeche Mode, love them, and Spandeu Ballet (sp).
17 Feb 2012, 13:05 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-272:
You have been briefed, I did what I could.
17 Feb 2012, 13:06 pm
too much idle time here.
17 Feb 2012, 13:06 pm
@clm(clm)-277: “looking him behind the head”
Oh sweet mother.
Please dont be coloured.
17 Feb 2012, 13:06 pm
Cheers razists
17 Feb 2012, 13:07 pm
Dawn if you keep communicating with clm you going to need a tetanus shot, you dont want that , very eina.
17 Feb 2012, 13:07 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-279:
Depeche Mode is also one of favourites.
Not that keen on Spandeu Ballet though.
17 Feb 2012, 13:09 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-282:
:mr green:
17 Feb 2012, 13:10 pm
Sherriff ask your anchestors or ouma grootjie what she said when Baas Jan van Riebeeck came on her t!ts
17 Feb 2012, 13:11 pm
what happened to uncle tom’s girlfriend,dawn,now?struggling to climb out of cuntherr and katman’s arse?nah,it’s not gonna help ,you way down to deep dawny girl.
17 Feb 2012, 13:11 pm
“Looking him behind the head”!!!!!!
17 Feb 2012, 13:11 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-235:
I do agree with that.
Except for the Afrikaans music part, but other than that, yes.
Oh and believe me, us Durbanites are exposed to the worst of it when comes to dodgy cars and their personalised number plates.
Not sure what it is with our Indian brethren but whoever told them that having 2FAST4U as a plate on a 1980s golf is cool, is a horrible liar.
17 Feb 2012, 13:11 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-285: Must be loud very very loud.
17 Feb 2012, 13:12 pm
Sherriff’s ouma sang Die Stem with her mouth full! lol
17 Feb 2012, 13:13 pm
@BWA(Dusktill)-287: hi there suffer guy.the double r’s gave it away.
NICE TRY THOUGH!!!!!!!!
17 Feb 2012, 13:14 pm
Ag Mr Galt don’t be so!
What would the world be wthout us!
17 Feb 2012, 13:15 pm
@BWA(Dusktill)-292: jou naam lekker gat gemaak ne.vergeet dat die usernames terug was sedert gister of eergister?
17 Feb 2012, 13:16 pm
Who you gonna laugh at!
17 Feb 2012, 13:18 pm
@John Galt(John Galt)-290:
my wife’s got an aunt in cpt with the plates “redhotkay” – and she is in her 60′s 8)
some bloke in durbs is trying to sell his car with the plates “4cough” – no takers yet i see
17 Feb 2012, 13:18 pm
i always thought Nkosi was that little black dude who had Aids! never knew it was part of our anthem till now!
17 Feb 2012, 13:19 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-296:
The humour and the mauling of all cliche’s ever would be greatly missed Dawnie.
17 Feb 2012, 13:21 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-282:
hahahaha
17 Feb 2012, 13:22 pm
@charo(charo)-297:
Thats farking brilliant.
I mean who wouldnt want a car with 4cough as a number plate. Originality score out of 10.
11
17 Feb 2012, 13:52 pm
This is a very young Lions Vodacom cup team. The average age of a players is around 21, excluding the 6 Superrugby contracted players. The average age of the Superrugby squad is around 24, amazing stuff. No hasbeens anywhere in Lions rugby.
…….
Game time against Pumas for Super Rugby players
February 17 – A number of the MTN Lions’ Vodacom Super Rugby regulars from last season get much-needed game time when the Golden Lions play the Pumas in the Mbombela Stadium in Nelspruit on Saturday afternoon (kick-off 3pm)
The team, an indication of what the Lions could field in their Vodacom Cup challenge this year, includes some of last year’s juniors and will be captained from No 8 by Warren Whiteley. Prop Jacobie Adriaanse, hooker Martin Bezuidenhout and wing Michael Killian are the other Super Rugby players in the enlarged squad that includes 10 replacements for the two teams’ warm-up.
They get the chance of some match action with the first match in the Super Rugby competition only a week away.
The teams are: Lions: Marais Schmidt, Anthony Volminck, Harold Vorster, Robert de Bruyn, Janus Jonker, Andries Coetzee, Whestley Moolman, Warren Whiteley (capt.), Uzair Cassiem, Stephan de Witt, Stephan Greeff, Paul Willemse, Jacobie Adriaanse, Francois du Toit, Caylib Oosthuizen. Replacements: Martin Bezuidenhout, Gideon Muller, Kenny Okafor, Fabian Booysen, Nico Kruger, Garth April, Bradley Moolman, Michael Killian, JR Esterhuizen, Jaco Kriel.
Pumas: Coenie van Wyk, Danwel Demas, JW Jonker, Dewald Pretorius, Wilhelm Loock, JC Roos, Shaun Venter, Nicol Mostert, JP Mostert, Renaldo Bothma, Eduan van der Walt, Rudi Mathee, Ashley Buys, Torsten van Jaarsveld, De Jay Terblanche. Replacements: Pellow van der Westhuizen, Drew van Coller, Corné Fourie, Boela Serfontein, RW Kember, Faf de Klerk, Carl Bezuidenhout, Hendrik Meyer, Ashwin Scott, Deon Scholtz, Dewald Pieters.
17 Feb 2012, 13:52 pm
and the three men i admire most…
the father, son and holy ghost…
they caught the last train for the coast…
the day…
the muuu-sic…
died…!!
17 Feb 2012, 13:55 pm
@RL(RL)-302:
Is that the same JW Jonker who played for Free State some years ago?
17 Feb 2012, 13:57 pm
@RL(RL)-302:
Butch James? Baywatch isn’t exactly a youngster, either.
17 Feb 2012, 14:00 pm
@ufo(ufo)-303:
Hi ufo,
Don Mclean is a true legend.
“Vincent” still gives me goose bumps.
17 Feb 2012, 14:04 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-306:
hey jeraldjay… how you doing…? you guys must be pleased the season is about to start again…!
yeah… very cool song about buddy holly dying…
this thread seemed to have died so was thought it appropriate…
or not…
17 Feb 2012, 14:07 pm
@willievz(willievz)-304: if he is around 21 and plays as a flyhalf then maybe.
@David(David)-305: Butch, Wikus and CJ vd Linde are around 32/33. Killian, Deon v Rensburg and Doppies are 30. The next oldest is Franco vd Merwe, the rest of the super squad all between 20 and 25. The Lions are the youngest SA team.
17 Feb 2012, 14:08 pm
@David(David)-305: and Baywatch is only 28.
17 Feb 2012, 14:09 pm
@ufo(ufo)-307:
Appropriate indeed.
Capo once again, revealing his true self.
I wonder how many email addresses this guy has
17 Feb 2012, 14:25 pm
Big Blokes Rule!
Here is a perspective on how `backs’ became known as such.
Obviously written by a forward which in itself is quite remarkable. Enjoy.
It is largely unknown to players and followers of the modern game of rugby, that in the very early days it started off purely as a contest for forwards in opposition in line-outs, scrums, rucks and mauls.
This pitted eight men of statuesque physique, of supreme fitness and superior intelligence in packs against one another.
In those days, the winner was the pack that had gained most set pieces. The debasement of the game began when backs were introduced. This occurred because a major problem was where to locate the next scrum or line-out.
Selecting positions on the ground for these had become a constant source of friction and even violence.
The problem was resolved through a stratagem of employing forward rejects, men of small stature and limited intelligence, to select positions on the field from where, when in receipt of the ball they could be guaranteed to drop it in a random pattern but usually, as far from the last set piece as possible. Initially these additional players were entirely unorganized but with the passing of time they adopted positions.
For instance, the half-back. He was usually generally the smallest and least intelligent of the backs whose role was simply to accept the ball and pass it on.
He could easily (given his general size) have been called a quarter forward or a ball ****** but then tolerance and compassion are the keys to forward play and the present inoffensive description was decided upon.
The five-eighth plays next to the half-back and his role is essentially the same except that, when pressured he usually panics and kicks the ball. Normally, he is somewhat taller and slightly better built than the half-back and hence his name. One-eighth less and he would have been a half-back, three-eighths more and he might well have qualified to become a forward.
The centres were opportunists who had no specific role to play but who were attracted to the game by the glamour associated with forward packs. After repeated supplication to the forwards for a role in the game they would be told to get out in the middle and wait for the ball. Thus, when asked where they played, they would reply “in the centre”. And they remain to this day, opportunists and scroungers, men so accustomed to making excuses for bad hands and errant play that most become solicitors or real estate agents.
You may ask, why wingers? The answer is simple. Originally these were players who had very little ability and were the lowest in the backline pecking order.
They were placed far from the ball and given the generally poor handling by the inside backs, were rarely given the opportunity to even touch the ball. This is basically why, through a process of natural selection, they became very fast runners and developed the ability to evade tackles.
But to get back to the name. The fact that they got so little ball led to the incessant flow of complaints from them and the eventual apt description “whingers”. Naturally, in the modern game, the name has been adapted to become more acceptable.
Lastly, the full-back. This was the position given to the worst handler, the person least able to accept or pass the ball, someone who was always in the way.. the name arose because, infuriated by the poor play invariably demonstrated by that person, the call would come “send that fool back” and he would be relegated to the rear of the field.
So there you have it. The fact is that if a side does not have eight men of statuesque physique, of supreme fitness and superior intelligence then they might as well play soccer.
17 Feb 2012, 14:25 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-310:
hehehe…
yip…
but hardly worth the time or effort…
17 Feb 2012, 14:27 pm
@BuckT(BuckTrendy)-311: Someone posted that here yesterday. Very funny.
17 Feb 2012, 14:30 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-313: sorry for the repost! been off the grid, so to speak, i see Bod is making his return soon…
17 Feb 2012, 14:32 pm
@BuckT(BuckTrendy)-311:
i like it…!!
17 Feb 2012, 14:35 pm
@RL(RL)-309:
28? No ways, they must have made a mistake with his birth certificate- he has been around nearly as long as the real Mr Baywatch ( David Hasselhoff) who is by now probably pushing for 60- and he looks much more “tired” than Hasselhoff.
17 Feb 2012, 15:00 pm
Did anyone see the 20/20 against the black caps? My advice to anyone battling financialy,scrape your pennies together and when ever you see the Proteas about to play a team where there may be a hint of pressure(and I dont mean newlands) wack it all on the opposistion you are garunteed to make a motsa.I have been doing it for ten odd years now and have almost paid my house off thanks to the proteas ability to “flatter to deceive”.
17 Feb 2012, 15:09 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-316:
Baywatch born on 27 May 1981
17 Feb 2012, 15:33 pm
Of course Solly is happy with the trial games! He knows that he is the only coach in SA that doesn’t have to perform or produce results because he has politicians backing him up. The Kings are supposedly to uplift black rugby in the E Cape, but just yesterday he was saying they were going to buy all the overseas SA players, 95% which are white! Just like govt there is no accountability and no honesty with regards to actual goals. Is just another gravy train carriage to be plundered by Cheeky Pukeson and his govt buddies. Keo to get marketing tender, mark my word!
17 Feb 2012, 15:40 pm
@steblooi(steblooi)-319: what is the point of your post?
what part of ‘development” do you miss?
is it fashionable for people to come here and make doose of themselves?
in which world do some here live in, that the Kings overnight must have these black players? hehehe
the prejudice is staggering
17 Feb 2012, 15:52 pm
It’s on!
Trans is here!
17 Feb 2012, 15:56 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-320: Development shouldn’t happen at the highest level of international competition. Don’t call someone a doos just because he points out how incredibly stupid this political bullying is, and you don’t happen to agree with him.
17 Feb 2012, 16:01 pm
@ transformation
I’m probably missing the same part of ‘development’ as you are missing in ‘merit, honesty and reality’.
What part of development includes buying has-been whiteys from Europe?
What part of development is relegating existing franchises full of promising Springboks?
How do you develop the future by harping on about race and the past?
True development would be to win the bloody Premier Division, and then, on MERIT, join the Curry Cup.
Development would include actually performing in the Currie Cup, and perhaps filling your white elephant stadium with enough spectators with a Currie Cup final to finance your academy on a viable basis, not at the expense of the taxpayer.
It would also include matching your success to your philosophy, which might come as a mayor surprise to a pseudo communist, did not work out so well for the USSR, Vietnam or North Korea – finacial viability and high flying ideas are not bedmates.
Reality dictates that you beat the guy you want to better than, not nag like a houswife until you get your way.
Nobody respects a tantrum-throwing spoiled brat – and nobody will respect the Kings because that is what they are, not to mention dishonest.
Dishonest to their own current group of players and to the country as a whole with regards to their supposed ‘Transformation’ of SA rugby… you doos!
17 Feb 2012, 16:09 pm
i don’t buy this south africa is ‘unique’ story… or saru and the kings expect special treatment to develop rugby in an area in which its representation is not what it should be…
strange how nobody here complained about the force…
being created to encourage rugby union development in perth…
being given a free ride into super rugby,
being able to recruit players form other franchises,
being given several years to get their act together (which they still haven’t really) and win a few games,
or being easy-beats for their aussie (and nz and sa) opposition,
or producing embarrassing rugby and results…
all in the hope that they would give local kids something to aspire to instead of looking to play their rugby somewhere else…
ditto the rebels…
but we can’t accept the the same circumstances in our own country…??
why??
let me name the elephant in the room… and i believe why the majority of people who are against the kings are…
the elephant’s name is racism… and the b!tching is largely due to the fact that possibly black players will benefit in the long-term at the possible expense of white players…
there are obviously not going to be any super rugby-ready players of any color in pe to start with…. they’re all playing for other provinces… i’m sure the other franchises wouldn’t object at having to ‘return’ their eastern cape players…!
the point is that with super rugby being played in pe… kids of all colours will go to the stadium, watch ‘their’ team and think…
“heck… that’s what i wanna do when i’m big…!”
who is that callous and churlish that they would deny those kids that opportunity…?
you guys will look for any excuse and/or reason or ‘fault’ with the plan and why it won’t work… fact is… you’re all crapping yourselves in case it does work…
as you say transformation… the prejudice is staggering…
17 Feb 2012, 16:18 pm
@ UFO
The problem with transformation advocists like yourself is that you see everything through racial goggles.
I never once mentioned that I don’t want the Kings to success because they will field black players. I explained my exasperation that they were planning to field white players!
I am angry because they demand inclusion because of a premise to transform, only to field white players. Which coloured boys are going to watch Daan Human scrum the **** out of the Bulls front row?
The issue is merit. You have to DESERVE things in life, you can’t just be given them. You cannot claim to be a doctor when you studied in Cuba and can only pull front teeth and incisors. You have to actually study for seven years and PASS!
The Kings are going to cause the downfall of one of our franchises and it will harm our rugby. Thus the decision is not based on merit, but on entitlement, and that is simply wrong.
If you asked me, strapped to a lie detector, if I would object to a all african Springbok team I would cry emphatically NO, because finally this racist goggle argument would carry no water. Because finally a team picked on merit will satisfy the government and they would see all us white dudes cheering them on with the same vigour we always have. The idea is to win, not to represent!!!
17 Feb 2012, 16:22 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-320: don’t tell me you believe your own spin. You yourself said that the Kings are in it to win and not make up the numbers. That whole ‘we are a developmental’ team is a smokescreen … they are no different from any other union. All that Cheeky and his mates are interested in is money. What are you going to say when they fail to deliver on their promise to have a “black” team, like the one that Boland fielded when Cheeky’s white team was moered in the first division final.
17 Feb 2012, 16:23 pm
@ufo(ufo)-324:
Thank you.
The whole argument that the Kings have to develop players, and retain them, within the region in order to qualify for a Franchise is a load of cr*p. Look at the Bulls backline for this year. Only Olivier grew up in the province. The rest are imports who would never have moved if the Bulls weren’t a Franchise. Hell, the Sharks are even worse in this regard.
The development aspect of an S15 franchise is first to provide a focal point for supporters in the region and create awareness and excitement for the game. The second is to keep talent in the region, rather than have it migrate elsewhere to play S15 rugby. Creating a team which is composed predominantly of local black players is very much a long term goal.
17 Feb 2012, 16:24 pm
Great post ufo.To add to that wonderful post-the rebels were created to give the Aussies a union presence in an extremely Aussie rules.I,for one,don’t believe that they all ever make inroads into Aussie rules Melbourne,whereas the Eastern Cape have a great chance to be successful in developing black rugby talent.
17 Feb 2012, 16:26 pm
@steblooi(steblooi)-323: dude, white people in this country do not have monopoly on this thing called MERIT! get it out of your system that the EXCLUSION of the Spears was done on some premise of merit!
in 2205 when SARU resolved that the structure of south africa’s participation was to be changed these were the resolutions taken:
All the Southern Spears/Kings have asked of SA Rugby is to stand by the Presidents Council 8th June
resolution, articulated as follows:
“The parties present at the SARugby President’s Council meetingheld on 8 June 2005 at the Intercontinental Sandton Sun agreed the following in respect of the franchise system in South Africa for the Super 14 Competition.
1. That a formal legal agreement shall be drafted immediately confirming what was agreed regarding the Super 14 franchise system in South Africa.
2. The South Eastern (SE) Cape Franchise shall be financially supported by SA RUGBY / SARU in respect of their development during 2006. In light thereof SA RUGBY / SARU must procure sponsorships for the SE Cape Franchise for the 2006 season.
3. The SE Cape franchise shall be entrenched in the Super 14 Competition for the 2007 & 2008
rugby seasons.
4. The South African team finishing at the bottom of the log in 2006, will automatically be replaced by the SE Cape for the 2007 season.
5. At the end of the 2007 Super 14 season, the South African franchise team, which is last on the Super 14 log, excluding the SE Cape, shall play in a promotion relegation match against the franchise team who did not play in the 2007 Super 14 competition.
6. That the decision which was taken at the meeting on 15 April 2005 in respect of the South African franchise system, are hereby amended in order to reflect the above agreement.
7. That the Falcons Rugby Union will form part of the Blue Bulls franchise.
8. SA RUGBY shall within 21 days as from 8 June 2005, compile a “White Paper” in respect of the total SA RUGBY’S competition structure.
now tell Stelbooi, which of these resolutions was SUCCESSFULLY executed and is STILL in effect today?
people like you like to shift the goal posts and make this whole thing about politics and black players and cheeky watson and gravy trains, scarecrows that you know you can KNOCK down with ease!
SARU led by Oregan Hoskins reneged on ratified resolutions, cut up the Spears and handed the franchise to the Cheetahs/Lions (i can’t recall who finished last in ’06)
that is the issue, at that point neither of these franchises were well established (look how the lions have faired 6 years later).
17 Feb 2012, 16:30 pm
@David(David)-327: don’t worry when it suits some people here the race card trumps everything
hehehe
the lions and cheetahs have had 6 years since the spears were dissolved, how many black players have they developed, but the Kings must run out with a predominantly black team in their first match!
the stupidity is as astounding as the prejudice
17 Feb 2012, 16:31 pm
@ allblacksaregods
I absolutely agree with you. We need a franchise in the E Cape. Nobody is disputing that, even the existing franchises agreed to it in principle. The reality is that one of the existing teams would have to fall out. The Cheetahs produce the most Springboks (since readmission) and the Lions a full of future Springboks and in the centre of the biggest financial hub in Africa. Cutting one of them will harm the Springboks – all this because of a decision not based on rugby merit but on philosophical ideals – reality bites and it will harm the Boks.
Maybe you will enjoy that being a bok supporter, but the rest of us want to whitewash the Allblacks 4 years in a row and we need to ruthlessly cling to excellence to manage it.
17 Feb 2012, 16:32 pm
@RL(RL)-326: um, what are the Lions in it for? they haven’t won S(HIT since they split from the Cats, what is your escuse for a 21% win-ratio since 2006?
tl tl tl
17 Feb 2012, 16:35 pm
@steblooi(steblooi)-325:
you’re making an assumption about how i see the world…
i don’t see people by their colours… one thing i do hate is grouping people… whether by colour, religion, class, finances, whatever… when the group is the be-all-and-end-all the individual is too easily sacrificed for the ‘good’ of the group… i believe that if every individual is respected the respect for ‘rights’ of the group is a natural consequence…
the sooner we can respect each individual a) as a fellow human being and b) for the his or her character instead of his or her colour, the better we’ll be… but i’m not holding my breath…
you say you’re frustrated that they include white players… so you obviously do see this in terms of race…
but i notice you sidestepped the crux of my post….
what did the force do to deserve a free ride into super rugby…?
what did perth do to deserve a rugby union franchise…?
what merit was there in using super rugby to give perth a new franchise…?
how many perthians (?) played for the force in those first few years…?
what did melbourne do…? what did the rebels do..? what merit was there in these franchises being created and aussie rugby using super rugby to develop rugby union in their own country…?
and why did you not come on keo and complain about the unfairness of those developments and the lack of merit in them…?
what is the difference between their new franchises and the kings…?
17 Feb 2012, 16:35 pm
@steblooi(steblooi)-331: bullshit, how come players developed at the lions have been leaving in DROVES when the team is in the FINANCIAL HUB of SA?
please tells.
17 Feb 2012, 16:38 pm
@ transformation
All you include above points to SARU’s ineptitude, which has continued with their premature acknowledgement of including the Kings – which was only done to give them enough room to move on the appointment of Meyer, a white afrikaans male.
The goalposts never move Transformation, the reality is you always have to win. The sad fact is the Kings lost to Boland in their promotion/relegation game, thus they are not winners and not deserving. Every union in SA should have one goal and one goal only, contributing to perpetual success of the Springboks. And if that happens to result in 22 black players in every game I would honestly be the happiest man in the world!
17 Feb 2012, 16:40 pm
@David(David)-327:
exactly…
17 Feb 2012, 16:41 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-334:
Tranquilo son!! Its only friday and you are about to have a heart attack.
Your largest form of choronary anxiety awaits you on Sunday…
17 Feb 2012, 16:43 pm
@steblooi(steblooi)-331:
The Boks wouldn’t be affected at all, as the top players would be snapped up by the other franchises. What would happen though, is that relegated side would find themselves in exactly the same position that the Kings are in.
SARU screwed up royally when they allowed the provinces to choose who they wanted to partner with when the 5th franchise came available and put the 5th one up for auction.
17 Feb 2012, 16:43 pm
how about epru pay back the money to the sharks (with interest) and become part of the franchise again. then there can be an agreed number of games in pe to stimulate interest and saru can see if it is worthwhile creating a new franchise in the region?
or will that be discriminating against ep?
17 Feb 2012, 16:43 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-332: no excuse for those amateur pricks running Lions rugby – they need the right “qualified” people doing the right thing to get a winning team. What do you want, a development team or do you want a winning team from the get go?
Now don’t bullshit, you already said the latter
17 Feb 2012, 16:48 pm
@ UFO
You are trying to create a comparison between Aus and SA. When the Force was created nobody stood to lose. There was no franchise going down the drain, ditto for the Rebels. In the end Aus rugby only gained – James OConnor, David Pocock greater exposure, higher TV audience numbers etc.
In our situation a super franchise will be history this time next year.
Apart from the court cases from the union, the major sponsors and the players on contract, the repercussions will include losing players overseas, even possibly a Brussouw or a Goosen. The reality is that some players are irreplaceble. The two mentioned above a only a few, never mind those coming through the ranks. Can you imagine the Kiwi’s having lost a Carter because of that kind of **** 10 years ago? NZ would have been a laughing stock, which is what we are going to be. I want SA rugby to be the best, in at least 80% of games and preferably in every game against NZ. For that we need the best, colour spectrum regardless.
Relegation will destroy whichever union suffers it, plain and simple.
17 Feb 2012, 16:51 pm
@ufo(ufo)-333: booooya!
17 Feb 2012, 16:54 pm
@ transformation
The Lions players left the union because the union was inept and unqualified to run a professional rugby union. They certainly did not deserve their spot.
However, given what John Mitchell has done, what is going to happen if the Lions come third in the SA conference, or finish second, or worse, win it?
How do you relegate them then? You simply cannot. The Cheetahs, as mentioned above, produce the most Springboks, so you can’t relegate them. Will Saru relegate the Bulls, Sharks or Stormers? No they won’t, because financial clout will do the talking.
17 Feb 2012, 16:55 pm
@charo(charo)-339: NO NO NO !!!!!! Sharks are doing just fine by themselves we dont need any interference….koeksisters and tomato sauce
17 Feb 2012, 16:56 pm
@ufo(ufo)-333: Eish … are you really comparing the Aussie setup to the one here? I don’t believe it. Rather compare SA unions with SA unions, it makes more sense.
p.s. remember in SA there are no such thing as franchises, the guppies destroyed that experiment long ago.
17 Feb 2012, 16:57 pm
@steblooi(steblooi)-341: um, really? “Relegation will destroy whichever union suffers it, plain and simple.”
being on the outside is CURRENTLY killing our region and its potential to develop! why should the south eastern cape suffer being on the outside for longer?
i keep telling you, Free State & Griquas bid for their franchise, they didn’t PLAY for it in some field. same as the Force, same as the Rebels….
the myth perpetuated by the likes of Katman that “international competition is not for development” falls flat when one looks at what the Aussies and even the kiwis are doing to an extent!
17 Feb 2012, 17:00 pm
The last week of the Off Season is going to be unbearable long one
So it seemed at this point
17 Feb 2012, 17:00 pm
Considering that any franchise would be South African and based in SA, I wonder how the Lions or Cheetahs players would react if asked, “Would you prefer to play for a franchise and province where you can live in Plett, Knysna, Cape St Francis or at Fancourt, or would you prefer Jhb, Boksburg, Witbank and Vereeniging or Bloem, Welkom, Potch and Kimberly”. I wonder what the choices would be?
17 Feb 2012, 17:01 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-344:
just trying to help our struggling brothers down the coast 8)
17 Feb 2012, 17:02 pm
@steblooi(steblooi)-343:
The Chhetahs (Grey College) might produce the most Boks, but how many of them actually stay there? Why not just allow them to remain a feeder team for the Sharks?
17 Feb 2012, 17:03 pm
@steblooi(steblooi)-343: do you think the Lions and john mitchell have monopoly on build structures, synergy and creating an environment for success? hell no!
when the lions lost ALL their games in 2010, what MERITTED their super rugby participation?
they were kak on the field and as we now know their finances are even more kak. i’m still looking for merit
17 Feb 2012, 17:05 pm
3. The SE Cape franchise shall be entrenched in the Super 14 Competition for the 2007 & 2008 rugby seasons.
4. The South African team finishing at the bottom of the log in 2006, will automatically be replaced by the SE Cape for the 2007 season.
17 Feb 2012, 17:05 pm
@David(David)-348:
The idea is to introduce increasing number of non white players into the Kings
The Cheetahs’ surplus will be obsorbed by the Western Forces, the Brumbies and the Rebels, few top notch players – like WP Nel – and great prospects will be absorbed into Europe and Oz too
Simple
17 Feb 2012, 17:07 pm
@charo(charo)-349: no need to be so altruistic
17 Feb 2012, 17:07 pm
@RL(RL)-352:
SARU lost two (2) court cases in 2006/7, bear that in mind
17 Feb 2012, 17:12 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-355: yep!
In a strongly worded statement McKeever explained what was going on behind the scenes to ensure that the Lions would take part in next year’s Vodacom Super 14.
“The latest SA Rugby wrecking ball tactics are being driven by Koos Basson and Basil Haddad (acting managing director and CFO and past CEO of Border and previous MD of the Despatch newspaper), who tabled this proposal to the three presidents of Border, Eastern Province and SWD, the day before the Springbok Wallaby Test at Ellis Park and are using their ‘inside’ mole and contact of acting CEO of Border, Syd Loubser, to be their foot soldier and Judas within Border and the Spears,” said McKeever.
“This is intended to derail the Spears High Court hearing for a Rule 49-11 on 26 September for the enforcement of 4 August order and compensation for the substitution of 14 games from the 2006 Absa Currie Cup. This is R7.5 million, plus the R6.4 million still owed by SA Rugby till December 2006 is R14.9 million.
“[These are] reasons why SA Rugby are scrambling. It also screams that SA Rugby have no confidence in their court application on the 26 September.”
17 Feb 2012, 17:16 pm
people scream “merit” when none of the nonsense by SARU that “entrenched” the Lions and Cheetahs was neither legal nor fair!
gym calls (no peter davies)
17 Feb 2012, 17:19 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-357: simple, Cheeky and his mates have to go back to the guppies and ask to be included into their franchise, minnows need s big boy to hold their hands.
17 Feb 2012, 17:23 pm
@ transformation
I agree that not having a Super spot is damaging for your region. I agree that SARU screwed you guys back in 2006(?)
The issue now is that we need to protect SA rugby. SANZAR has refused to allow another team. We somehow need to convince them to do it.
The aussies lack a domestic competition – which the conference system has solved. Their viewership is up something like 40%
If we include an additional team we can’t keep the conference system because of the unequal number. So that is my argument – SARU as promised an idealistic stance whilst ignoring reality.
There is no easy solution anymore – you can celebrate because the Kings have been guaranteed entry into the comp. One if five supporters of the existing unions (theoretically) will be very disillusioned next year as their team will be gone.
My personal suggestion would be to start with relegation/promotion but that SARU has to financially compensate the union relegated suffiencently to
a) keep its players
b) pay back sponsors
c) change the schedule of the vodacom cup to mirror the super comp and
d) increase the vodacom cup’s prize money to a substantial amount of millions.
This will ensure financial viability for the losing franchise and actually build our depth as for the SA teams the Super comp would become something of a champions league instead of an entitled position to a few select unions.
17 Feb 2012, 17:24 pm
@steblooi(steblooi)-341:
@RL(RL)-345:
why not compare the australian situation and ours…? because it destroys the validity of the your perspective…?
take colour out of it… they have used super rugby to develop rugby in two news centers… why not south africa… why not the kings…?
there is no difference imo…
you go on about merit… yet the cheetahs and lions (no offense to their fans) have failed year after year after year propping up the super rugby log… where is your merit now… why do you reward mediocrity…? why are they entitled to a franchise/team/whatever… after so much failure…? why not give a chance to someone else and see if they can succeed… they’re hardly likely to do worse are they…
BTW… james o connor and david pocock are both recent phenomena… and neither are ‘local’ boys… o connor born in queensland and pocock in zim… so even now they’re not really developing local players… so why should the kings have to field 22 e-cape born and bred players from the get-go…?
17 Feb 2012, 17:28 pm
@ UFO
Like I said, in the Aus situation nobody stood to lose.
With our situation you are threatening entire regions!
17 Feb 2012, 17:30 pm
@ transformation
I said that the Lions didn’t deserve their spot previously, but you still didn’t answer me – what will happen if the Lions and Cheetahs achieve this year?
Will SARU cut either one of the Bulls, Cheetahs or Sharks?
What do we do now? SARU has screwed us all.
17 Feb 2012, 17:32 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-356:
A good reminder
17 Feb 2012, 17:35 pm
howzit guys, what time does the kings vs sharks game kick off tonight?
17 Feb 2012, 17:36 pm
@ Hondo
About Davies?
17 Feb 2012, 17:36 pm
and is luke playing?
17 Feb 2012, 17:42 pm
@ rangerman
no, too busy puking…
17 Feb 2012, 17:43 pm
@steblooi(steblooi)-361:
“threatening entire regions”… you kidding right…?
the gauteng region under threat… the economic hub of africa threatened…?
bloem threatened…? the agricultural centre of the country… threatened…?
by the loss of a super rugby competition..? c’mon on…
how have the lions and cheetahs contributed to their regions…? the lions had to issue gps units to spectators so they could find them after the matches… (hopefully the CC success will change this) so what would be lost if they were only currie cup teams until they improved…?
but the eastern cape is not a wealthy province and so a franchise there could make a significant contribution…
but what you’re saying is that the cheetahs and lions are entitled to their place no matter how badly they produce and no performance or standards clause is necessary to see they improve…
you’re saying their historically mediocre results must be rewarded, entrenched and protected… simply because…? because why…?
people go on about merit selections… where is the merit in teams failing constantly…?
17 Feb 2012, 17:48 pm
hey ranger…
think it’s at 7…
is it on tv…?
and no watson is not playing…
17 Feb 2012, 17:50 pm
@steblooi(steblooi)-362: that is for SARU to decide…
17 Feb 2012, 17:54 pm
@ufo(ufo)-368: you sing a good song but I can guarantee you that you will be singing a different tune if/when the Stormers get relegated.
17 Feb 2012, 17:58 pm
@ufo(ufo)-368: people are refusing to get it, either out of prejudice, spite or stupidity.
they have no legs to stand on.
17 Feb 2012, 17:59 pm
@steblooi(steblooi)-359:
There’s a small fly in the ointment of your suggestion. SARU is contracted to ensure that the top 150 players are in the S15. The relegated team would have to release them, somehow.
17 Feb 2012, 18:06 pm
@RL(RL)-371:
hehehe…
you can guarantee…?
only thing you have guaranteed is to make yourself look really silly…
i have written on keo several times recently that IF it were up to me… i would reduce super rugby to 9 teams… 3 from each country… which would guarantee the dropping of two teams from each… in straight relegation play-offs… and the teams would have to fight their way back the next year… and yes… i actually wrote… “even if it meant the stormers lost out…”
you see… unlike you… although i love rugby and love WP… the only way sa rugby will improve is if unions are held accountable for their results and performances…
and then union management (particularly like wp and the lions) would HAVE to make good sound business and rugby decisions otherwise they’d fail and be relegated…
so pity you don’t read other people posts before making guarantees… hehehe…
so where does that leave your guarantee…? up your poop without a chute…??
and BTW… i also said i’d still go down to newlands and watch rugby because i would still support my team… i’ve watched many a vodacom cup game when there’s been nothing else played…
17 Feb 2012, 18:07 pm
Have checked 3 differet tv guides and doesnt seem they showing the game. Am very dissapointed. What is wrong with dstv !
17 Feb 2012, 18:08 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-372:
it’s impossible to wake up a woman who’s pretending to sleep…
17 Feb 2012, 18:09 pm
@ufo(ufo)-368:
If you remember, ALL the Franchises had to make submissions to be part of the S15 and they were awarded a franchise based on those submissions. The easiest route for SARU would be to revisit and assess the performance of the Franchises according to the submissions that won them a franchise, seeing as the contracts are due to expire and need to be renewed. I seem to remember that the 5th franchise was a close decision between the Spears and Cheetahs.
17 Feb 2012, 18:13 pm
@ufo(ufo)-374: so if I understand you correctly, you were not of the thousands and thousands of weeepeee supporters who went to war 1997, forcing SARU to create the franchise system, thus entrenching the weepee into Super rugby ….. because they are after all ENTITLED.
ps are you forgetting that I am boycotting Stormer WP threads, I refuse to encourage JC and may have missed out on your views.
17 Feb 2012, 18:13 pm
@David(David)-373:
I don’t agree. When the Kings are introduced to Super rugby next year there will be 120 elite players representing South Africa. And SARU will be in breach. Once again.
Don’t expect the relegated franchises players to automatically flock to the Kings. They will vote with their feet and look north. The Kings will end up picking the 2nd raters from the relegated franchise.
17 Feb 2012, 18:14 pm
@David(David)-377:
yeah david…
takle the emotions out of it and make sound fact-based, results-driven business decisions…
17 Feb 2012, 18:18 pm
@RL(RL)-378:
lolololol
i was pissed off with them for playing so badly… but had no problem with the result… everyone knew what would happen at the beginning of that season…
“ps are you forgetting that I am boycotting Stormer WP threads”
and yet you are silly enough to “guarantee” what wp supporters think…?
17 Feb 2012, 18:18 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-375: hugger I am no longer at war against your guppies …. this year I am going to battle the Stormers. Yes it is true.
17 Feb 2012, 18:19 pm
@ufo(ufo)-374:
You want to reduce Super rugby to 9 teams? How does this tie in with the IRB’s goal to grow the sport on a global basis.
The solution to all this – and I’ve said it a 100 times – is for the Kings to wait until 2016. Which gives SARU more than enough time to motivate an expanded Super tournament. Instead of a S16, we may end up with a S18. Double what you’re proposing.
17 Feb 2012, 18:21 pm
Damn game not on TV
17 Feb 2012, 18:31 pm
382@pussycat…hahahahahaha COOK ! but thats funny, remember they will be needing a song as well.
17 Feb 2012, 18:31 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-379:
The other Franchises will also pick them up. Hell, the Sharks do it to the Cheetahs every year.
17 Feb 2012, 18:41 pm
@David(David)-386:
With the entry of the Kings, lets just say SA rugby will be the weaker because of it. But Heyneke will recognise the talent, I suppose.
Even if they’re playing Vodacom Cup rugby and not the Kings.
17 Feb 2012, 18:41 pm
Let the rugby starts,
maybe the Pink Bulls or the Winders will end up at the bottom?
That well could happened if Pietie v. Zyl was unleashed on Jonker and Joubert the swindlers
17 Feb 2012, 19:26 pm
anyone know the score in the Sharks game ?
17 Feb 2012, 19:50 pm
@Treehugger(Treehugger)-389: 10 – 3 Sharks
17 Feb 2012, 19:53 pm
thank you
17 Feb 2012, 19:55 pm
You cant just give the Kings a go because they might do better than the lions. They wont! Thats not good for business or rugby. Rather a lions team that wins a game or three than a Kings team that gets killed by 50 points every game by 2nd string teams resting their star players. You have to earn your stripes. The kings have done nothing to prove they are good enough. Beat the team you are replacing and you’ve earned it. Democracy does not work in sport. Its simple, either you are good enough or you arent. You cant replace a below average team with a **** one.
17 Feb 2012, 20:11 pm
Apparently conditions not good to play rugby.
17 -3 Sharks.
17 Feb 2012, 20:14 pm
score please
17 Feb 2012, 20:21 pm
24 – 6 Sharks
17 Feb 2012, 20:24 pm
31 – 6 Sharks
15 min left
17 Feb 2012, 20:36 pm
31 -13 Sharks.
17 Feb 2012, 21:06 pm
Solly’s satisfied? I think Solly would be satisfied if his players simply made it to the games without getting drunk or lost before the game.
17 Feb 2012, 21:09 pm
thx HHS.
17 Feb 2012, 21:16 pm
Die ouens lyk vir my soos ‘n ‘kaas-en-wyn’ span
18 Feb 2012, 10:30 am
The chaps are delusional. Developing rugby? It seems like it is a union where old Bessy the Cow are put out to pasture: a safe haven for has been useless rugby players such as Earl Rose. Are they serious? It is the worst, most expensive player development programme possible. It seems like the most drawn out April fool’s joke.
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