Bash resumes pivotal role
13 Mar 2012
Flyhalf Peter Grant will start his first match of the season when the Stormers host the Blues at Newlands this Friday.
Gary van Aswegen started at No 10 in the Stormers’ first two matches against the Hurricanes and Sharks. While the Cape side won both matches, Van Aswegen struggled to produce a dominant showing and the backline as a collective failed to fire on attack.
While the Stormers still hope that the 22-year-old Van Aswegen will develop into a good flyhalf option, it’s clear Grant is now their main man.
‘Peter is a Springbok and has a lot of experience,’ coach Allister Coetzee said of Grant’s selection. ‘It’s a very good Blues side that we’re up against, and so there’s going to be a lot of pressure in that [flyhalf] channel. Peter has shown it time and again that he can cope with that kind of pressure.’
Grant returned from Japan five days before that Sharks match and was rushed straight into the match 22. He came off the bench in the second half to not only settle the backline but also nail a touchline penalty to win the game.
Despite Grant’s heroics, he may not be utilised as the Stormers’ primary goal-kicker. Fullback Joe Pietersen missed four attempts at goal in that Sharks match, but could still be entrusted with responsibilities for the coming matches.
‘To be honest, I don’t have a definitive answer to that question,’ Coetzee told keo.co.za. ‘It is something that will be decided at the captain’s run on Thursday.’
Coetzee confirmed that lock Rynhardt Elstadt and prop Deon Carstens, who have both been sidelined with injury, will return to action in the Vodacom Cup this weekend. Depending on how they fare, they could be available for the Stormers’ next clash against the Lions.
Meanwhile, team captain Schalk Burger has had the plaster removed from his injured knee and will begin his rehabilitation next week. It was initially said that Burger would be back for the second tour match against the Crusaders, and on Tuesday Coetzee confirmed that things are on track regarding Burger’s return to the playing field.
Stormers – 15 Joe Pietersen, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Jean de Villiers (c), 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Peter Grant, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage, 8 Nick Koster, 7 Duane Vermeulen, 6 Siya Kolisi, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Brok Harris, 2 Tiaan Liebenberg, 1 Steven Kitshoff.
Subs: 16 Skara Ntubeni, 17 Frans Malherbe, 18 De Kock Steenkamp, 19 Nizaam Carr, 20 Louis Schrueder, 21 Gary van Aswegen, 22 Gerhard van den Heever.
By Jon Cardinelli
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13 Mar 2012, 19:23 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-149:
Prefer their old stuff but will check it out.
I see you not to pleased about Grants selection at flyhalf.
What do you think of this combo:
9.Duvenhage,10. Pietersen, 11.Habana, 12.JDV, 13.JDJ, 14.Van Den Heever, 15.Gio.
13 Mar 2012, 19:29 pm
We really have a problem with 12 in this country, in fact everywhere
Miss the days of Dan Kara at 12, Tim Horan, Walter Little, Warwick Taylor, Aaron Mauger
Very misunderstood role
13 Mar 2012, 19:32 pm
Damn.
Now the endless rugby talk start and I missed the music chat and naked liv tyler.
13 Mar 2012, 19:32 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-151:
It is a documentary on their 20 years in the industry.
Not so sure on Joe at 10, you need a flyhalf that can ask questions on the direct defense of the opposition on set pieces – not sure Joe is keen to take on set play, first phase defense with 100+kg loosies are looking to level him.
13 Mar 2012, 19:33 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-147:
Yip, they are a magnificent band.
Check this clip, it cannot get much better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j8ZBgz7eWg&feature=related
Mike McCready is one of the most underrated lead guitarists ever.
13 Mar 2012, 19:38 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-152:
Keep and eye on Tim Whitehead.
13 Mar 2012, 19:40 pm
Will wait till skop gets back from shark hunting
13 Mar 2012, 19:44 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-154:
Joe’s got a big heart and appears to be fearless. Doubt whether Grant or Van Aswegen will ask more questions to the direct defence. Joe also offers more in terms of tactical kicking than both the other candidates.
13 Mar 2012, 19:47 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-153:
Dawn I see you watched Lincoln Lawyer.
Great movie.
13 Mar 2012, 20:05 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-152:
One of the most important positions in a team.
13 Mar 2012, 20:17 pm
Indeed jeraldjay
Soundtrack is even better!
13 Mar 2012, 20:28 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-155: Classic Strat player. “maker of animal sounds” was how he was described on one of the albums…
Really knows his stuff.
13 Mar 2012, 20:35 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-156:
There’s something about him that reminds me of Rob Fleck, not sure what/why
He looks like an athlete but it’s unlikely that he will be the 12 that Im looking forward to; you need a certain type of awareness and instinct to play 2nd 5-8
13 Mar 2012, 20:38 pm
@willievz(willievz)-160:
There’s hardly a place to hide these days
Defence is better organised, players are better conditioned and as a result players 1 to 15 need to work in tandem
Opposition teams seek out the weaknesses and manipulate defenses around those areas
13 Mar 2012, 20:44 pm
I will stick my neck out and say that the next awesome 12 will prolly be kullid
This may sound ridiculous on a white ear, but consider this:
* Breyton Paulse despite his size or lack thereof had lovely feel for the game
* Bjorn Basson ripping balls out of the air as if always uncontested
* Elton Jantjies playing with the flair and feel not seen in SA in a long time; he is almost better than Carlos the Jackal himself- better kicker anyway
What about Cecil Afrika
13 Mar 2012, 20:44 pm
If I’m honest, i generally prefer the slightly deeper tone that guitars like Gibsons put out with the humbucker pick-ups. Often the Strat. can come across as a bit whine-ey.
In the hands of a geniuses like Clapton, Hendrix, SRV et al it sounds like an angel is playing though.
13 Mar 2012, 20:45 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-152: Who do you think has the potential to be as good as those you mentioned? I think James O’Connor has the most potential to be in Horan’s class.
13 Mar 2012, 20:46 pm
I think Eben has been hard done by. While he is on a role he should have been kept at 4 for as long as possible. He has just had a week off, so over playing him at this stage should not be an issue. I agree that he should have 1 or 2 weeks rest in the middle of the comp, just because of his age. I don’t understand what Steenkamp is doing there either. AC should have waited for Eldstaft to return before resting Eben. He is not an impact player, he needs all the game time we can give him if he is to become a Bok great. This is just WP stuffing up player management again.
13 Mar 2012, 20:47 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-165: Jirre ou bees, jy kan lekker kak praat. Are you that desperate for some positive affirmation of “your people” that you arbitrarily recall a handfull of good players as some kind of tentative proof that the next inside centre star will be coloured? Or is this your stab at humour?
13 Mar 2012, 20:51 pm
I have not read through all the comments, but surely someone did mention AC’s mistake in not picking anyone to combat Braid, Mealamu and Braid. They will have a field day with a Kiwi refereeing the game.
13 Mar 2012, 20:52 pm
@Jeraldjay(Jeraldjay)-159:
The book is better. If you enjoy detective thrillers check out the Harry Bosch novels by the same author, Michael Connelly, they’re addictive.
13 Mar 2012, 20:55 pm
@Horings(Horings)-167:
James is a phenomenal athlete and very versatile, perhaps too versatile.
One week is at 1st 5-8 (or 10) the next week at 14 and so on. So he is not allowed to settle in a role and specialise as every coach sees him differently or needs him for a different role
Im not convinced that he sees himself as a 12 and that pretty much sums it up; there needs to be a yearning, a desire
13 Mar 2012, 20:55 pm
@garth(garth)-168:
JC c*cked up. Eben is starting.
13 Mar 2012, 20:58 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-169:
Hei, wies jou ‘jirre’ en ‘bees’ – wat is jy? ‘n Reptiel?
Ek skryf soos ek skryf want ek weet dit sal elke rassis laat kopkrap
Julle boere het geen vlêr nie, vlermuis
13 Mar 2012, 21:00 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-172:
I doubt whether Giteau saw himself as a 12 either, but with Larkham at 10 he didn’t do too badly, did he?
13 Mar 2012, 21:00 pm
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Super15/Bulls-deserved-a-penalty-Bray-20120313. Wow, these guys are actually called professionals! A on-the-spot wrong call from an investment banker can cost the bank trillions and he will get fired. Refs are paid to make on the spot calls and he even made the call after Spies gave him a chance to change his call and think about it.
13 Mar 2012, 21:03 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-165:
I reckon Afrika would be a better 10 or 15.
13 Mar 2012, 21:04 pm
@David(David)-175:
Giteau very effective whether at 10 or 12 but not the classic 12
Larkham was a manufactured 10 that only had one move to drift across the field – sometimes he would offload, other times not
We just didnt have the smartest players in midfield which allowed him to ‘baljaar’; our problem in SA is that we see a Wynand Olivier as a 12
13 Mar 2012, 21:08 pm
@David(David)-177:
Too small in my mind for the 15 man version
He needs space and that’s what the 7s affords him; he instinctively senses the space but would be a liability on defence
No he should stay where he is and win us some more trophies there
Gee-jou Appels ( Aplon) would also be a super star if he joins the 7s
13 Mar 2012, 21:11 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-178: Do you think the inside centre’s role has changed? In attack it may be similar, but in defence a 12 should stop any momentum in the midfield and he should be able to steal the odd ball. Frans Steyn is the best equipped to be a classic 12, but also able to deliver on the needs of the modern game.
13 Mar 2012, 21:14 pm
@Horings(Horings)-180: I think if Meyer can get F Steyn back then we can gamble with Jantjes on flyhalf to take some pressure of him. I Jantjes can create as much space for Steyn as he creates for Hollenbach then we may have a very potent backline.
13 Mar 2012, 21:21 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-178:
Sure, Larkham drifted but he also straightened between the 10 and 12, creating space for Giteau.
13 Mar 2012, 21:23 pm
@Horings(Horings)-180:
No it has not changed.
Take Ma’a Nonu for instance. Graham Henry moved him to 12 for his ability to run straight, difficult guy to stop with low centre of gravity; it was between him and Snake (Conrad Smith -not a 12)
But with Sonny Bill Williams he could revert to a more creative 12; well he can’t kick but his weapon is his timing of the offload in the tackle both ways. He is also big enough and deceptive so if you dont tackle him he goes all the way
I prolly share the views of Robbie Deans on 10-12 axis; Deans however (and Ted for that matter) very very fortunate to have a player like Dan Kara; players like that dont come along every day
13 Mar 2012, 21:28 pm
@David(David)-182:
He continues to drift, he is now part of Jake White’s Winning Ways
13 Mar 2012, 21:33 pm
@Horings(Horings)-181:
I wanted to say something about Frans Steyn
Regrettably Frans is no longer the player he was in 2007; he still has the talent (born with it) but his conditioning is not up to std; hair and facial hair now more his line
You will remember that PdV alluded to this and wanted him to play in SA so he could have an influence/monitor his conditioning; I think he is now > 100kgs so he should come down to 95 kg or so and get his mind right
Problem is that at age 24/25 he is a veteran of 2x RWC so is the desire there?
13 Mar 2012, 21:34 pm
Cheers fellas
13 Mar 2012, 21:41 pm
@Sheriff(Sheriff)-186: @Sheriff(Sheriff)-186:
Cheers.
13 Mar 2012, 23:20 pm
so you back onto rugby now
all the ‘lil pumpkin pimping exiles from Tswane town cottoning onto the ‘boss’ cause they wanna identify with what they think is relatively ‘real’..
nope Springsteen ain’t all that ‘real’.. or lets say rather he’s like half real.. not the real McCoy.. not the lasting bright shining star that burns from afar .. Springsteen ain’t wholly real he’s like half a star.., half a wonder what you are…, not quite there .., the almost man… even Mellencamp does Springsteen better than Springsteen can..
the ‘Boss’ my phony fakey arse… but if Springsteen moves your soul.. then you gotta have a soul like a caterpillar waiting to emerge from your cotton picking sock cocoon cause Springsteen don’t have that true undeniable poignant factor that can tune into what is close enough to what is true .. he’s like a simple honest Joe trying to be a little more than he is .. much like some his pseudo fawning fan’s who wanna place him on that ‘boss’ like pedestal..
I actually got nothing against Bruce Springsteen.. he’s an honest enough sincere working mans musician to know his own limitations.. who puts out his working man energy for a good enough cause…. what I do find rather annoying is these little piffle arsed pseudo wet behind the ears creeps who pretend to be f’ng connoisseurs of music .. like they these highfalutin pseudo connoisseurs of shiraz wines .. they bottle and ‘collect’ music in much the same way as they bottle and ‘collect’ these pathetic pseudo phony bourgeois identities and labels and status symbols that they place such imaginary societal importance on and lavishly horde them into their famous ‘collections’..
They reckon they can recognize false from true .. fact of the matter is they don’t.. they ain’t a true music connoisseurs backside .. absolutely and most definitely as far as music is concerned.. perhaps in selecting these societal status symbols like wine they stand some chance of identifying what they deem to be valuable.. when it comes to music they are way off track..and way out of tune.
13 Mar 2012, 23:27 pm
@David(David)-171:
yip also got a thing for pulp noire too, what about crais (cole), child (reacher), coben (bolitar), lindsay (dexter)?
13 Mar 2012, 23:33 pm
perhaps that puts that little irritating side issue to bed
as far as banking on Bash goes
AC got it wrong .. again..
he should have backed Van Aswegen.. Blues are going in with a 20 year old fly half who put Morne Steyn to the sword and drilled the Bulls all on his own…
But the conservative cowardly chicken sh’t saffa coaches got no f’ng balls.. they the biggest rear guard action cowards in world rugby.. and the state of our attacking game is the exact repercussion of all that pathetic conservatism cowardice that has crippled our rugby for almost a couple decades already under the auspices of the cowardly chicken scaredy cat clowns who wanna call themselves rugby coaches in this so called land of the brave .. where we breed rugby talents at youth level like no other country can.. yet when push comes to shove we retreat back into our shells and our petrified conservatories because we too chicken to break a leg or bust open a goddamn rusty old tin can.
13 Mar 2012, 23:40 pm
so whats the big one-upmaniship about tonight, springsteen or mellencamp or what?
both pretty good, not going to set the world on fire but you’d tap your footsies along or i would at least, i really liked the doors, probably the only decent alternative band the yankies produced in years gone back and even they a bit tempered by the limitations of their culture but the drugs helped.
13 Mar 2012, 23:49 pm
David,
if you around later also mosley (rawlins), chandler (marlow) and james ellroy. ive finisihed most of them, if you know any others let me know.
14 Mar 2012, 00:02 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-190: It puts nothing to bed mate. Just opinions, If you were to ask any of the musicians that you seem to admire they’ll all say that they admire what these guys are up to, and that it isn’t a competition. Enjoy what you enjoy, be it Mozart or Metallica. The choice is yours.
As for Bash, well Gary was struggling, as much of a fan that I am.
Let’s see how he does.
14 Mar 2012, 00:02 am
What’s all this about Etzebeth not starting – all others sites have him down as starting – if he isn’t starting it’s a shocker!
14 Mar 2012, 00:05 am
the Brit pop ravers all came to America to find their long lost soul.. so they stole the music from the Mississippi delta blues of Huddie Leadbetter and Robert Johnson and Son House and Muddy Waters and the rest and turned it into commercial bumph.. which the baby boom generation lapped up with devouring need
. first came Elvis who turned the West African soulful simple 12 bar tunes into a white mans escape into a reach of his brain he could not breech without the aid of the black man’s rhythmic connection to his soul… then the pseudo rockers from Liverpool sophisticated the lily limp lavish melodies from the Hebrides by mixing it with some down and dirty Mississippi blues.. and finally the rockers from London stole the rest of what was left from the cotton picking pains off the plantations and unashamedly called it rock and roll..
Anyway the real trail of the evolution started in Africa and festered and formed in the deep south of America.. where it merged and forged together with hillbilly and Celtic melodies through songwriters and poets like Woody Guthrie…
Between Guthrie – who’s mantle was carried on by Dylan.. and the entire deep south blues communities first blues was created.. and later sophisticated into jazz .. and branched off into rock and roll..
The Brits picked it up and ran with the sound and the momentum and the Rock generation was born.
14 Mar 2012, 00:10 am
yeah yeah we all know the history – but depends what u like, i dont like jazz or ramblings of dylan, i dont like a scientific treatise on guitar, elvis is dated and passe for me, i want a backbeat u can feel it and something slightly different, the british push the boundaries in a particular style of music, alternative band music, you cant explain it, its just there and they do it more often than anyone, constantly reinventing.
14 Mar 2012, 00:12 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-195: True, and Springsteen pays tribute to Guthrie in all of his shows, from the very beginning. His acoustic “this land is your land” is very powerful.
I’d like to see him live (amoungst many others)
14 Mar 2012, 00:14 am
and its not pop, pop is mostly kak – its sort of alternative rock or what they call indie nowadays, but different, a certain subsection have a feel for that type of music, there’s a publication called NME and they represent it probably best.
14 Mar 2012, 00:14 am
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-195: And every one of those music styles is an evolution of something that went before it, right back to cavemen banging two sticks together. Each generation is as real and valid and important as the last.
14 Mar 2012, 00:15 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-193: tell your phoephiefied little pseudo arse punkified pals who dunno music from make believe.. or tie dyed tee shirts from rhythmic uncomplicated sounds.. or psychedelic escapades from phony pseudo status symbol ‘collections’ to shut their pseudo little clap trap minds up and open up their dumb fck ears before clamoring to find a handle with which to spout their clap trap garbage intelligentsia laden pseudo scum pretensions about stuff they know absolutely fckall about,..
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