Super Rugby preview – Round 5
23 Mar 2012
JON CARDINELLI and RYAN VREDE analyse the key match-ups and pick the winners at the weekend.
With JC away in a bid to refresh his mind and make better picks, the responsibility is left to Vrede to help you win or lose cash. Cardinelli has, however, left us with his picks, which differ from Vrede’s in the Sharks-Waratahs match, Vrede backing the Tahs to rebound from their poor start. There are wins for the Bulls and Stormers, but the Crusaders are set to give the Cheetahs a reality check.
KEO.CO.ZA SUCCESS RATE
VREDE: 15/27 (55%)
JC: 15/27 (55%)
Round 4
VREDE: 3/6
JC: 3/6
Round 3
VREDE: 5/7
JC: 4/7
Round 2
VREDE: 4/7
JC: 4/7
Round 1
VREDE: 3/7
JC: 4/7
BLUES vs HURRICANES, AUCKLAND, FRI 08:35
VREDE’S CALL: Piri Weepu has been poor thus far and I suspect his atrocious conditioning has much to do with that. I don’t believe he is the answer at No 10 for a Blues side who need a pivot with a more refined tactical kicking game. Gareth Anscombe was that man in my view, yet the youngster plays off the bench. Canes coach Mark Hammett has injected a measure of pragmatism into his side, which has undoubtedly contributed to their success. Flyhalf Beauden Barrett has exhibited impressive game management and his trained boot will be a boon for the Canes, who should look to drive the Blues deep into their territory and encourage them to launch ambitious counters from there. Barrett will benefit from his pack’s superiority in set and general play, while his accurate goal-kicking should keep the scoreboard ticking over. The Cane must not succumb to their natural expansive instinct. If they play the percentages they will win. Canes by 7
JC’S CALL: Canes by 5
Blues – 15 Lachie Munro, 14 David Raikuna, 13 Benson Stanley, 12 Ma’a Nonu, 11 Rudi Wulf, 10 Piri Weepu, 9 Alby Mathewson, 8 Brad Mika, 7 Daniel Braid, 6 Chris Lowrey, 5 Ali Williams, 4 Liaki Moli, 3 Charlie Faumuina, 2 Tom McCartney, 1 Tony Woodcock.
Subs: 16 James Parsons, 17 Tevita Mailau, 18 Filo Paulo, 19 Sean Polwart, 20 Gareth Anscombe, 21 Michael Hobbs, 22 Hadleigh Parkes.
Hurricanes - 15 Andre Taylor, 14 Cory Jane, 13 Conrad Smith (c), 12 Tim Bateman, 11 Julian Savea, 10 Beauden Barrett, 9 TJ Perenara, 8 Victor Vito, 7 Jack Lam, 6 Faifili Levave, 5 Jason Eaton, 4 Jeremy Thrush, 3 Jeffery Toomaga-Allen, 2 Dane Coles, 1 Ben May/Michael Bent.
Subs: 16 Motu Matu’u, 17 Michael Bent/Tristan Moran, 18 James Broadhurst, 19 Brad Shields, 20 Chris Eaton, 21 Daniel Kirkpatrick, 22 Charlie Ngatai.
REBELS vs FORCE, MELBOURNE, FRI 10:40
VREDE’S CALL: I think the Force will make it two wins on the bounce off the back of a superior pack. David Pocock was impressive at the breakdown last week and he will be influential in blunting the Rebels’ attacking flow. The Melbourne boys lack composure under this sort of defensive pressure and will become increasingly cavalier as the match progresses, offering the Force opportunities to attack from broken field. But this one will primarily be won in the forwards. The Force’s heavies displayed good control through the phases against the Waratahs last week and they will be irresistible if they are able to replicate that performance. Force by 5
JC’S CALL: Force by 7
Rebels – 1 Nick Henderson, 2 Adam Freier, 3 Laurie Weeks, 4 Luke Jones, 5 Hugh Pyle, 6 Jarrod Saffy, 7 Tom Chamberlain, 8 Gareth Delve (c), 9 Nick Phipps, 10 Danny Cipriani, 11 Cooper Vuna, 12 James O’Connor, 13 Lachlan Mitchell, 14 Mark Gerrard, 15 Richard Kingi.
Subs: 16 Ged Robinson, 17 Rodney Blake, 18 Alister Campbell, 19 Tim Davidson, 20 Michael Lipman, 21 Lloyd Johansson, 22 Julian Huxley.
Force - 15 David Harvey, 14 Nick Cummins, 13 Will Tupou, 12 Rory Sidey, 11 Alfie Mafi, 10 James Stannard, 9 Brett Sheehan, 8 Matt Hodgson, 7 David Pocock (c), 6 Angus Cottrell, 5 Nathan Sharpe, 4 Sam Wykes, 3 Salesi Ma’afu, 2 Nathan Charles, 1 Kieran Longbottom.
Subs: 16 Ben Whittaker, 17 Pek Cowan, 18 Toby Lynn, 19 Richard Brown, 20 Justin Turner, 21 Winston Stanley, 22 Samu Wara.
WARATAHS vs SHARKS, SYDNEY, SAT 06:35
VREDE’S CALL: The Sharks did well to rebound from a 17-point deficit against the Reds last week, but there were mitigating factors for the visitors, most notably injuries to key players and the sin-binning of Digby Ioane. Nothing about that Sharks performance convinced me they have found the synergy they require to win matches like this one in Sydney, even against an embattled side like the Tahs. Indeed I think it is that desperation that will be a decisive factor in a much improved performance. Better selections is another, with Berrick Barnes restored to flyhalf and Tom Carter in midfield. The return of Wycliff Palu will also lend them punch in the forward exchanges. There’ll be parity in the set phases but the Tahs will boss in general play, creating opportunities for their backline to exploit a shaky Sharks defence. Waratahs by 6
JC’S CALL: Sharks by 5
Waratahs - 15 Bernard Foley, 14 Tom Kingston, 13 Rob Horne, 12 Tom Carter, 11 Adam Ashley-Cooper, 10 Berrick Barnes, 9 Brendan McKibbin, 8 Wycliff Palu, 7 Chris Alcock, 6 Dave Dennis, 5 Kane Douglas, 4 Dean Mumm, 3 Sekope Kepu, 2 Tatafu Polota-Nau, 1 Benn Robinson (c).
Subs: 16 John Ulugia, 17 Paddy Ryan, 18 Sitaleki Timani, 19 Lopeti Timani, 20 Jono Jenkins, 21 Sarel Pretorius, 22 Daniel Halangahu
The Sharks – 15 Riaan Viljoen, 14 Odwa Ndungane, 13 Tim Whitehead, 12 Meyer Bosman, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Charl McLeod, 8 Keegan Daniel (c), 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Jandre Marais, 4 Anton Bresler, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Dale Chadwick.
Subs: 16 Craig Burden, 17 Nick Schonert, 18 Steven Sykes, 19 Jacques Botes, 20 Frederic Michalak, 21 Marius Joubert, 22 Louis Ludik.
CRUSADERS vs CHEETAHS, CHRISTCHURCH, SAT 08:35
VREDE’S CALL: The Cheetahs’ 16-phase winner at the death against the Rebels last weekend was impressive. But don’t lose the perspective that it was against one of the weakest teams and they continue to rely on moments of individual class to keep them in matches. There is no discernible building of an innings, to use cricket parlance, and beating the Crusaders demands that there is. The Cheetahs’ expansive method won’t be effective against the organised and disciplined Christchurch outfit, while the visitors’ defensive vulnerabilities will be exposed by the powerful, precise and innovative back division. Furthermore, the Saders’ bench, which includes maestro Dan Carter, is vastly superior and will offer them a telling boost in the second half. Crusaders by 10
JC’S CALL: Crusaders by 10
Crusaders – 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Robbie Fruean, 12 Ryan Crotty, 11 Zac Guildford, 10 Tom Taylor, 9 Andy Ellis, 8 Kieran Read (c), 7 Matt Todd, 6 Luke Whitelock, 5 Sam Whitelock, 4 Luke Romano, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Corey Flynn, 1 Ben Franks.
Subs: 16 Quentin MacDonald, 17 Wyatt Crockett, 18 Ross Kennedy, 19 Brendon O’Connor, 20 Willi Heinz, 21 Dan Carter, 22 Tom Marshall.
Cheetahs – 15 Hennie Daniller, 14 Cameron Jacobs, 13 Robert Ebersohn, 12 Andries Strauss, 11 Willie le Roux, 10 Johan Goosen, 9 Tewis de Bruyn, 8 Philip van der Walt, 7 Justin Downey, 6 Heinrich Brüssow, 5 Izak van der Westhuizen, 4 George Earle, 3 Lourens Adriaanse, 2 Adriaan Strauss (c), 1 Trevor Nyakane.
Subs: 16 Hercu Liebenberg, 17 Coenie Oosthuizen, 18 Andries Ferreira, 19 Ashley Johnson, 20 Piet van Zyl, 21 Sias Ebersohn, 22 Ryno Benjamin.
BRUMBIES vs HIGHLANDERS, CANBERRA, SAT 10:40
VREDE’S CALL: The Brumbies have defied expectations with the start they’ve enjoyed but they will be outmuscled by an efficient Highlanders side. The Landers’ penetrative phase play has been the highlight of their unbeaten run and this abrasive and aggressive approach will erode the Brumbies’ resolve. Highlanders by 9
JC’S CALL: Highlanders by 5
Brumbies - 15 Jesse Mogg, 14 Joe Tomane, 13 Andrew Smith, 12 Pat McCabe, 11 Henry Speight, 10 Christian Lealiifano, 9 Nic White, 8 Ben Mowen (c), 7 Michael Hooper, 6 Peter Kimlin, 5 Sam Carter, 4 Leon Power, 3 Dan Palmer, 2 Stephen Moore, 1 Ben Alexander.
Subs: 16 Anthony Hegarty, 17 Ruaidhri Murphy, 18 Scott Fardy, 19 Ita Vaea, 20 Ian Prior, 21 Zack Holmes, 22 Tevita Kuridrani.
Highlanders – 15 Ben Smith, 14 Kade Poki, 13 Tamati Ellison, 12 Shaun Treeby, 11 Hosea Gear, 10 Colin Slade, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Nasi Manu, 7 Doug Tietjens, 6 James Haskell, 5 Culum Retallick, 4 Josh Bekhuis, 3 Chris King, 2 Andrew Hore, 1 Jamie Mackintosh (c).
Subs: 16 Jason Rutledge, 17 Bronson Murray, 18 Nick Crosswell, 19 Elliot Dixon, 20 Jimmy Cowan, 21 Chris Noakes, 22 Buxton Popoali’i
BULLS vs REDS, PRETORIA, SAT 17:05
VREDE’S CALL: This would have been a tight call had the Reds not lost Mike Harris to injury and Digby Ioane to suspension. Those absentees have forced positional switches and the introduction of rookie utility-back Dallan Murphy, who will fill the void at flyhalf. Harris’s goalkicking would have been central to any potential victory, while Ioane is a match winner with his game breaking ability. The Reds won’t roll over but they will be overwhelmed by the Bulls, who won’t veer from their kick-based attack designed to pressure their opponents into errors. The Bulls will have the ascendancy in all facets of forward play and the Reds’ death will be inflicted slowly through the boot of Morne Steyn before the Bulls cut loose in the final quarter. Bulls by 10
JC’S CALL: Bulls by 5
Bulls – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Akona Ndungane, 13 Johann Sadie, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies (c), 7 Jacques Potgieter, 6 CJ Stander, 5 Juandré Kruger, 4 Flip van der Merwe, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 1 Dean Greyling.
Subs: 16 Willie Wepener, 17 Frik Kirsten, 18 Wilhelm Steenkamp, 19 Arno Botha, 20 Jano Vermaak, 21 Louis Fouché, 22 JJ Engelbrecht.
Reds - 15 Rod Davies, 14 Dom Shipperley, 13 Jono Lance, 12 Ben Tapuai, 11 Luke Morahan, 10 Dallan Murphy, 9 Will Genia, 8 Jake Schatz, 7 Beau Robinson, 6 Scott Higginbotham, 5 James Horwill (c), 4 Rob Simmons, 3 Greg Holmes, 2 Saia Faingaa, 1 Ben Daley.
Subs: 16 James Hanson, 17 James Slipper, 18 Radike Samo, 19 Van Humphries, 20 Liam Gill, 21 Nick Frisby, 22 Nathan Eyres-Brown.
LIONS vs STORMERS, JOHANNESBURG, SAT 19:10
VREDE’s CALL: If the Lions had greater appreciation for earning the right to play expansively through structured and powerful multi-phase play I’d back them to beat the Stormers. But they don’t and won’t. The Stormers’ method will be simple and effective: Play for territory, absorb the pressure on defence, isolate runners and force penalties. Joe Pietersen will feature prominently in the scorer’s column, the Stormers fullback’s boot sure to keep the board ticking over. The Lions don’t have a Plan B. The Stormers will punish their tactical naivety. Stormers by 10
JC’S CALL: Stormers by 7
Lions – 15 James Kamana, 14 Deon van Rensburg, 13 Jaco Taute, 12 Doppies la Grange, 11 Andries Coetzee, 10 Butch James, 9 Tian Meyer, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Joshua Strauss (c), 6 Derick Minnie, 5 Franco van der Merwe, 4 Marius Coetzer, 3 Pat Cilliers, 2 Callie Visagie, 1 Caylib Oosthuizen.
Subs: 16 Martin Bezuidenhout, 17 Jacobie Adriaanse, 18 Stephan Greeff, 19 Cobus Grobbleaar, 20 Ross Cronje, 21 Michael Killian, 22 Ruan Combrinck.
Stormers - 15 Joe Pietersen, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Jean de Villiers (c), 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Peter Grant, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage, 8 Nick Koster, 7 Duane Vermeulen, 6 Siya Kolisi, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Brok Harris, 2 Tiaan Liebenberg, 1 Steven Kitshoff.
Subs: 16 Siya Ntubeni, 17 Frans Malherbe, 18 De Kock Steenkamp, 19 Nizaam Carr, 20 Louis Schreuder, 21 Gary van Aswegen, 22 Gerhard van den Heever.
334 Comments
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22 Mar 2012, 20:23 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-299:
That guy is too busy backwashing his cesspool.
Won’t be back for a while.
It’s taking him longer than expected.
22 Mar 2012, 20:28 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-297:
@Dawn(Dawn)-298:
Sannie Uys is local, cool and hot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-8lFeCj_48&feature=related
22 Mar 2012, 20:30 pm
I pay I order.
Long live Lukas long live!
22 Mar 2012, 20:43 pm
Who’s Sannie Uys!!
Can’t watch youboob on bb it’s expensive!
22 Mar 2012, 20:44 pm
Would I be seen dead with someone called Sannie Uys or Chris Gayle?
22 Mar 2012, 20:48 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-305:
a Local muso- nice bluesy voice and good looks.
plays with a band calls machinery
Niece of actress gretha Fox
The name Sannie sounds dodgy, i give you that.
But chris G is also yesterday’s hero
22 Mar 2012, 20:52 pm
Neverrr.
Cool is timeless.
Like Ig.
22 Mar 2012, 20:54 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-307:
I have never heard of Ig.
Is that short for Ignatius.
Sounds dodgy.
22 Mar 2012, 20:54 pm
Magtag I thought it was a guy.
Zim wants me to youboob a girl.
22 Mar 2012, 20:58 pm
Ig was the previous site moderator.
A long tall cool drink of water. Heaven sent!
22 Mar 2012, 21:03 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-310:
Must have been before my time.
Mind you I was never in trouble with moderators.
Only person on this site I ever had a problem with was called pieterman
He has since left for China I think.
22 Mar 2012, 21:12 pm
Been away a for a bit.
Has PdV left the game or is he involved somewhere?
22 Mar 2012, 21:23 pm
Talking about Sannie, for something “alternative”, this is also good local stuff by actor Ian Roberts’ Radio Kalahari Orkes joined by writer Riaan Malan and the ex basist from Boo called Chris C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0lo_HlhIsE
22 Mar 2012, 21:28 pm
@Bhloo(redj)-312:
He is currently job hunting.
apparently negotiating with some pre- primary school for a position of lifestyle coach for the under 7 team.
22 Mar 2012, 21:34 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-314: Hehe. Kinda feel for the guy.
22 Mar 2012, 21:38 pm
I can’t handle movies like 127 hours!!!!!
22 Mar 2012, 21:40 pm
@Bhloo(redj)-315:
I supported him for quite a long time.
He is a good decent humble bloke but sadly saddled the wrong horses imo and then became their puppet.
22 Mar 2012, 21:40 pm
Although james franco is remarkably calm.
I would’ve lost my plot already
22 Mar 2012, 21:44 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-303: The legend lives.
The gift that just keeps on giving….
22 Mar 2012, 21:45 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-317: I tend to agree.
He did so well with the juniors, couldn’t have lost the talent just by stepping up.
Hope he gets a break cause he did give us some good times as well.
22 Mar 2012, 22:51 pm
5/6 last week.
Blues
Rebels
Sharks
Crusaders
Brumbies
Bulls
Stormers
22 Mar 2012, 23:13 pm
Although the Lions have a good chance too. Go Lions!
23 Mar 2012, 02:43 am
Hurricanes 4
Force 4
Sharks 4
Crusaders 13
Highlanders 4
Bulls 7
Stormers 9
23 Mar 2012, 07:53 am
Just watched Tacitus’ favourite SA rapper on expresso, aptly named Snotkop. Farken hell he’s putrid!
23 Mar 2012, 08:54 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-313: That’s cool.
23 Mar 2012, 08:59 am
I read the latest SA Rugby mag…. Now that is farken putrid.
The two best written articles in the issue were by Hinton and MacKenzie, two foreigners.
Some of the articles were abysmal – particularly the one about Earl Rose – where the author takes it upon himself to inform the reader about his opinion of Rose’s “self – assessment abilities” during the “course of the interview” – notwithstanding the ability of readers to form their own opinions without guidance from a patronising fuckwit.
As for the article on Solomons and the Kings – the same fuckwit journo volunteers the pearler: “The Sharks did not “earn the right” to be in the CC A Section” and then mentions a few Sharks Legends of the 90′s who would not have wanted to play for a “B Section” team….
Just to educate this obviously barely literate excuse of a journo:
- Natal came 3rd in the CC in 1980, being the only team to beat the Bulls other than the BI Lions
- Natal qualified for the CC final in 1984
- And then a win in 1990
This is hardly in the to the Kings who cannot win what is equivalent to B Section Rugby now yet are about to be given a free ride to Super Rugby on the back of “development” credentials yet will contradict this using imports and rejects from other Unions while ignoring the talent in the region…
SA Rugby Magazine can attempt to “sell” development propaganda and twisted agendas while clearly not understanding what development or “transformation” imperatives should be in a region, but the more discerning reader does not have to buy this bullshitbaffles shitforbrains.
23 Mar 2012, 09:08 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-326:
In the interests of not being a hypocrite I have copy edited the above so that it sounds barely literate. Quite obviously something the fools at SA Rugby mag do not do:
“I have read the latest SA Rugby mag…. Now that is farken putrid.
The two best written articles in the issue were by Hinton and MacKenzie, two foreigners.
Some of the articles were abysmal – particularly the one about Earl Rose – where the author takes it upon himself to inform the reader of his opinion of Rose’s “self assessment abilities” during the “course of the interview” – notwithstanding the ability of readers to form their own opinions without guidance from a patronising fuckwit.
As for the article on Solomons and the Kings – the same fuckwit journo volunteers the pearler: “The Sharks did not “earn the right” to be in the CC A Section” and then mentions a few Sharks Legends of the 90?s who would not have wanted to play for a “B Section” team….
Just to educate this obviously barely literate excuse of a journo:
- Natal came 3rd in the CC in 1980, being the only team to beat the Bulls other than the BI Lions
- Natal qualified for the CC final in 1984
- And then CC Comp win in 1990
This is hardly in the same league as the Kings who cannot win what is equivalent to B Section Rugby now yet are about to be given a free ride to Super Rugby on the back of “development” credentials and will contradict this using imports and rejects from other Unions while ignoring the talent in the region…
SA Rugby Magazine can attempt to “sell” development propaganda and twisted agendas while clearly not understanding what development or “transformation” imperatives should be in a region, but the more discerning reader does not have to buy this bullshitbaffles shitforbrains. “
23 Mar 2012, 09:59 am
How can you read the junk they write on here (with silly words such as “synergy” splattered all over them) and then want to PAY for it by reading a magazine written by the same people?
23 Mar 2012, 11:49 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-327: Let’s play a game and see who can guess the author
24 Mar 2012, 03:47 am
“@Just to educate this obviously barely literate excuse of a journo:
– Natal came 3rd in the CC in 1980, being the only team to beat the Bulls other than the BI Lions
– Natal qualified for the CC final in 1984
– And then a win in 1990″
“- Natal came 3rd in the CC in 1980″:
Was that,behind WP, who ended 2nd despite the fact that 11 of their player were in NZ during the “meelbom” tour in NZ?
“- Natal qualified for the CC final in 1984″:
How did they do in the promotion/relegaion match that year against Eastern Transvaal/Northern Free State? I can’t remember them EVER beating one of those teams playing for the RIGHT to be one of the TOP 6 teams in SA. They never won a promotion/relegation match against eithet the Northern Free State or Eastern Transvaal in about 6 years, did they?
“- And then a win in 1990″: with Wahl Bartmann from Transvaal as captain, flying from Joh’burg twice a week, to coach you Piesangboertjies HOW to play the game.
Funny thing is, that it is now mostly you boys who deny the KINGS to play in the top flight.
24 Mar 2012, 04:13 am
@nama1(nama1)-330: What a load of absolute TWAK!
The Sharks won the Currie Cup in 1990. PERIOD.
The Sharks won the Currie Cup in 1992,1995, 1996, 2008 and 2010. They lost the final in 1993, 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2003 and 2011.
The Sharks lost the Currie Cup final in 1956… many years ago… also in 1984…
The fucken Kings (EP) have NEVER even contested in a Currie Cup final in over 120 years. Now that is FUNNY! Not even a single final. Nada. Niks. Nil. Zip. Fokkol. NOT EVEN ONE!
The Sharks’ pedigree compared to EP is like comparing a fucken Ferarri to a Tata.
Smoke that up your ***.
24 Mar 2012, 04:21 am
Lol! Lux compared with Lifebuoy.
Fillet steak with stewing steak.
Nandos with Chicken Licken.
Nescafe with Ricoffee..
WhatthefuckisthisNamasmoking?
24 Mar 2012, 07:47 am
Guys, help me out here. I am just thinking of what players would be ‘in the mix’ come the Boks games. I have based this on current form in the S15 and a few stalwarts who I can see claiming their place back in the team. Have I left anyone out? Don’t say Habana or JdV- as they are well past their sell-by dates. We need to build a team that will dominate world rugby in the next few years. It’s exciting times as we have some excellent youngsters. Please ‘tweak’ away…
1. Coenie Oosthuizen/ Dale Chadwick
2. Bismark/ Adriaan Strauss
3. Jannie du Plessis/ Werner Kruger
4. Juandre Kruger/ Eben Etzebeth/ Ryno Elstadt
5. Andries Bekker/ Flip van der Merwe
6. Marcel Coetzee/ Brussow
7. Willem Alberts/ Joshua Strauss
8. Alberts/ Spies/ Schalk
9. Francois Hougaard/ Duwenhage/ McLeod
10. Lambie/ Johan Goosen
11. Mvovo/ Willie le Roux
12. Frans Steyn/ Meyer Bosman
13. J Fourie/ JDJ/ Sadie
14. JPP/ JJ Engelbrecht
15. Jaco Taute
25 Mar 2012, 00:34 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-331:
“The Sharks won the Currie Cup in 1992,1995, 1996, 2008 and 2010. They lost the final in 1993, 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2003 and 2011.”
Well, at least you okes proved Naas Botha wrong.
Still have not answer my question why you failed to win the promotion/relegation matches year after year after year after year after….
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