KeoTV: Goosen’s got it

KeoTV: Goosen’s got it

27 Mar 2012

MARK KEOHANE says Johan Goosen will become to the Springboks what Dan Carter is to the All Blacks but stresses that Morne Steyn is still at the top of the pile of South African flyhalves.


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  • 1.Papoose: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 08:12 am

    Young cheetah cub DRAGON

  • 2.Sasuke: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 08:15 am

    Golden Goose Dragon!

  • 3.Sasuke: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 08:17 am

    Agree with you Keo. Morne Steyn still looks good but the youngsters are pushing him hard. Especially Goosen.

    When is Jantjies coming back?

  • 4.spartan: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 08:23 am

    Yep he looks to be a real class act

  • 5.puff: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 08:24 am

    Springbok backline players for England tests will come from:

    Fourie Du Preez, Francois Hougaard
    Morne Steyn, Johann Goosen (but will carry tackle bags and won’t play)
    Bryan Habana, Bjorn Basson, Lwazi Mvovo
    Francois Steyn, Jean De Villiers, Wynand Olivier
    Jacques Fourie, Juan De Jongh, Johann Sadie
    JP Pieterson, Gio Aplon
    Patrick Lambie

    Others (like Pretorius, Jantjies, Jordaan, Taute) will filter in post England games.

  • 6.stew: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 08:36 am

    Still dont understand why he kicked the ball out at the end of the Saders game – look not complaining but seemed very strange.

  • 7.trupisero: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 08:43 am

    @stew(stew)-6: Naka’s orders. Didn’t want to risk it just to gain 1 league point, or turn the ball over and possibly lose the 1 point they already had,

  • 8.Bouts: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 08:44 am

    @stew(stew)-6: I think Naka explained it quite a bit now that he sent an order for the ball to be kicked out.

  • 9.ufo: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 08:46 am

    think naka’s just trying to take the heat off the kid…

    either that or the other guys weren’t listening to his orders because they all seemed keen to have a go…

  • 10.Transformation: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 08:51 am

    naka is doing damage control…how come the captain adriaan strauss didn’t get that call, cos he threw his hands over his head when he saw the ball flying yowards the stands!

  • 11.trupisero: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 08:55 am

    Didn’t see the game, only read what Nakak had to say.

  • 12.garth: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 08:59 am

    Goosen should be the Bok 1st choice. Steyn does not have the smarts or all round game to dominate at test level. Goosen , Le Roux and Ebersohn were fantastic with ball in hand.

  • 13.hoof hearted: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:08 am

    just a matter of time before the stormers sign him i reckon

  • 14.weakoma: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:11 am

    @garth(garth)-12: Ebersohn is finally looking really dangerous in the 13 jersey..would love to see a Cheetahs backline with a dominating pack..My money is on Goosen for Bok 10 at the moment, prefer his general play above that of Morne..no problems in the 10 department of Bok ruggga..

  • 15.Sasuke: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:12 am

    @puff(puff)-5: Jordaan??

  • 16.THE MAULER: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:17 am

    He has it all!! Just needs to change his attitude and be a team player!

  • 17.ufo: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:17 am

    Personally I wouldn’t use Goosen against the Poms… let him finish a SuperRugby season first… I rather not put the pressure on the kid and let him become the next gaffie du toit…

    yes, he’s composed and self-assured on the field… but so was gaffie… with frans and morne the kicking out of hand will be covered… and the poms would certainly target a freshman flyhalf big time…

    i’d start phasing goosen in for the end of year tours…

    would stick with morne and lambie till then…

  • 18.garth: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:18 am

    @weakoma(weakoma)-14: Unless FDP and Steyn are selected.

  • 19.garth: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:21 am

    @ufo(ufo)-17: Who is worried about kicking out of hand? What has that got to do with anything?

  • 20.Mr Black: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:21 am

    That kick was the strangest thing i saw on a rugby field in many a year. I was shocked.

  • 21.Sasuke: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:21 am

    @puff(puff)-5: Not bad. I think you are more or less correct. I hope that when it comes to the England series the Boks brain trust will be mindful of the teams who are still in contention for the S15 play-offs.

    My team for the England series

    1. Guthro
    2. Adriaan Strauss
    3. Jannie Du Plessis
    4. Bakkies
    5. Bekker
    6. Brussouw
    7. Juan Smith (if fit)
    8. Burger/Spies/Alberts
    9. Du Preez
    10. M. Steyn
    11. Habana
    12. F.Steyn
    13. Fourie
    14. JPP
    15. Lambie

    16. Bismarck/Chiliboy
    17. Coenie Oosthuizen
    18. Danie Rossouw
    19. F. Louw
    20. Hougaard
    21. Goosen
    22. Mvovo

    My Team for the Rugby Championship

    1. Beast
    2. Bismarck
    3. Jannie
    4. Eben Etzebeth
    5. Bekker
    6. Brussouw
    7. Burger (C)
    8. Spies
    9. Hougaard
    10. M.Steyn
    11. Mvovo
    12. F.Steyn
    13. de Jongh
    14. Aplon
    15. Lambie

    16. Chiliboy
    17. Coenie
    18. Juandre Kruger
    19. Alberts
    20. du Preez
    21. Goosen
    22. Basson

  • 22.Mr Black: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:26 am

    @ufo(ufo)-17:

    Agree, Steyn is doing fine. We have found the backline problems last year at the WC.

    JDV!

    The moment he was injured we looked good.

    How many tries have the stormers backs scored so far? Not including Turnover tries.

    And how many has the Bulls backs scored? Not including turnover tries.

  • 23.bryce_in_oz: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:35 am

    @Mr Black(Mr Black)-22:

    The only time the Bok backline looked ‘good’ in last year’s RWC was against teams ranked outside of the top 8 in world rugby!

  • 24.ufo: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:36 am

    @garth(garth)-19:

    hehehe…

    what difference does it make…?

    the difference between having the opportunity to have a go and maybe tie the scores and take two bonus points home instead of one…

    no biggie really…

    just ask adriaan…

  • 25.ufo: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:38 am

    @Mr Black(Mr Black)-22:

    yeah… i think jdv should be in the squad… but frans should definitely start…

    any sharks fans have any news about his decision yet…? would be great to have him playing in sa again… for the sharks and for the boks…

  • 26.ufo: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:39 am

    anyway… work calls…

    outta here…

    great day to all…!!

  • 27.welcome to my life, hugh...: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:43 am

    @Mr Black(Mr Black)-20:

    you are not alone,
    i am here with you,
    though we’re far apart,
    the strangeness is also in my heart….

  • 28.Taahirah: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:44 am

    When are the Sharks getting the cheque book out for this kid?
    Goosen 10, Steyn 12, Lambie 15.
    Not shabby at all.

  • 29.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 09:52 am

    i do not entirely agree with the assesment that morne can only play behind a pack that is dominant. I would say that he needs to at least get some quick ruck ball…something neither the bulls nor boks could manage last year nor boks for 2 years.
    Basically, in my opinion, when a side gets to superrugby semi final standard….that is test match standard. And morne has never had a problem.

    and then there is jean devilliers. Who has destroyed every backline he has played for. Never has been a gameplayer who brings other backs into the game.Best games were years back out on the wing or when jakes gameplan was to defend and he’d get an intercept pickoff.

  • 30.blue and white stripes: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 10:19 am

    I agree with ufo, let Goosen play in the Year End Tour after a full season of top flight rugby.
    Heineken would need to ease into the position and playing Goosen against the Poms would not be ideal.

    Injury free Goosen/Jantjies, Hougaard (at scrumhalf or wing), Etzebeth, Kolisi, Kitshoff, Taute, Coetzee etc. will allow Bok Rugby to dominate for the next decade, so lets not get ahead of ourselves

  • 31.PrickBoks going South: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 10:19 am

    isn’t ‘Goosen the Saviour’ the very same lemon who kicks the ball out just to save a losing bonus point ?!

  • 32.greatest13gerber: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 10:40 am

    Johan Goosen
    Dan Carter

    in the same sentence? Keo, Big Wraps but the comparison(?) should be to a young Frans Steyn.

  • 33.greatest13gerber: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 10:43 am

    @Taahirah(Taahirah)-28:

    poor OVS

    feeder union still for the Big 3

  • 34.HongKongSlong: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 11:00 am

    @stew(stew)-6: Whether Naka said it or not, it was absolutely the right decision to kick it out. Cheetahs were in there own 22 and 7 points down, the absolute very best they could have done was got a draw, which would have earned them 2 log points instead of the 1 they already had. With the Kings believing that they have been guaranteed super rugby next season every point is vital as coming last will not look good. No South African team has beaten the Crusaders in New Zealand for years a losing bonus point is a good result. Nobody ever wants to finish last, but this season you REALLY don’t want to come last!

  • 35.Papoose: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 11:01 am

    slow day today hey

  • 36.kingcorn: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 11:10 am

    I do think Goosen is the future, but I won’t get carried away just yet. Give the kid a year or two to grow into the role and then unleash him onto the world. Bringing him in now will only hamper his development. If I was Meyer I would rather bring new players in after they have proven that they can get over 2nd year slump. Often we see players come in with a bang but then quickly fades as soon as teams figure them out. Look at how drastic $oney Bill$ William$ form dropped off towards the end of the Super 15 last year.

    On a side note, looks like JP’s conversion to centre is going really well. I think a centre pairing of Steyn and Pietersen is just what could prove to massive boost for the boks backline.

  • 37.PrickBoks GoingSouth: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 11:18 am

    I mean how stupid was that?

  • 38.stormer in a teacup: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 11:23 am

    Brigadier van Zyl. Ask yourself this question? Why has every coach he has ever played for consistently picked JdV over every other option as his first choice 12 or picked him on the wing? The only people who slag off JdV are one-eyed fans.

  • 39.Brigadier Van Zyl: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 11:29 am

    @stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-38:

    well, he’s only ever played for wp with no other viable options at 12.

    and then for the boks where jake was in love with him and he accumulated 50 odd caps. And twakkie was never going to drop a 50 cap veteran, well, actually, he did and replaced him with jacobs for a while.

  • 40.Bouts: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 11:46 am

    @ufo(ufo)-9: If you think that you obviously never saw Goossen play. He’s a glory-hound. He’ll always be there quickly to make sure the team knows he’s gonna take the shot to the poles (up to 60m) and he won’t take ‘no’ for an answer. If he can’t kick, he’ll run the ball. He is still years away from taking ‘the safe route’.

  • 41.PrickBoks GoingSouth: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 11:48 am

    @PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-31: hey tosspot, i know your life – pretty lonely huh?

  • 42.Bradenel: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 12:02 pm

    Morne is getting old and he is not performing in the ONLY thing he is good at… goal kicking. I say Goosen as first choice, its time to start a new era of SA rugby.
    My team for England would go as follows-

    1. The Beast (if fit)
    2. Bismark Du Plessis
    3. Coenie Oosthuizen or Janie Du Plessis
    4. Andries Bekker
    5. Eben Etzebeth or Juandre Kruger
    6. Hendrich Brousouw
    7. Schalky
    8. Willem Alberts
    9. Francois Hougaard
    10. Johan Goosen
    11. Habana (He looks on form and I have secret confidence in him)
    12. Francois Steyn
    13. Jaque Fourie or Juan De Jong
    14. JP Pieterson
    15. Pat Lambie

    16. Adriaan Struass
    17. Janie Du Plessis or Coenie Oosthuizen
    18. Juandre Kruger or Eben Etzebeth
    19. Spies
    20. Fourie Du Preez (if hes serious about returning)
    21. Morne Steyn or Jantjies
    22. Willie Le Roux

  • 43.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 12:18 pm

    England Tests

    1.Guthro
    2.Bismark
    3.Cilliers
    4.Kruger
    5.Bekker
    6.Brussow
    7.Burger(c)
    8.Spies

    9.Hougaard
    10.Jantjies
    11.Mvovo
    12.Steyn
    13.JPP
    14.Aplon
    15.Lambie

    16.Rallapelle
    17.Jannie
    18.Beast
    19.Etzebeth
    20.Alberts
    21.Du Preez
    22.De Jongh

  • 44.race of tan: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 12:30 pm

    mshiniwami – Morne Steyn will be flyhalf v England and J Fourie will be 13. J Fourie will be nice and rested come test time!! I just hope Hougie is scrumhalf, he needs lots of time there as he spent alot of years on the wing instead of at scrummie!!

    But yes Heneke has to decide who the future players are and bring them in soon!!
    Jake White did the same at the beginning of his tenure and created a great team over 4 years which is still lasting now!!

  • 45.fantasticbarnsmell: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 12:43 pm

    i am failing to see the purpose of keeping Morne Steyn around when you have Johan Goosen. Steyn’s trump card is his kicking, incredible as it is… However, Goosen appears to be at least equally as good, so without that what exactly does Morne Steyn offer over Goosen? I also don’t buy this whole conservative “he’s not ready” attitude with regards to age, if he’s the form player in his position in the S15 then he is already outperforming his rivals and surely this would constitute “ready”… simple as that really.

  • 46.willievz: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 12:47 pm

    Goosen is my primary choice too.

    Not tomorrow, not next year.

    Right now.

  • 47.paulymartin: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 13:14 pm

    I’m probably out of my dept here, But I love reading the South African rugby news.
    I’m a kiwi All black supporter of course. And I live in Australia. So i’m actually getting the best of 3 worlds. But I love the way Sth Africa play. You have so much talent but sometimes fail to show the mongrel.
    I have selected a Springbok team for you. I think I have got most of it right. Hope So. Must have = ***
    1…Coenie Oosthuizen
    2…Bismarc Du Plessis ***
    3…
    4…Andries Bekker ***
    5…Hargreaves
    6…H Brussouw
    7…Schalk Buger
    8…Spies ***
    9…F Hougaard ***
    10…Goosen ***
    11…Mvovo
    12…F Steyn ***
    13…Juan De Jong
    14…J.P. Pieterson ***
    15…Pat Lambie ***
    ————————-
    16…Mtwarira
    17…Tiaan Liebengurg***
    18…Kitshoff
    19…Estsebeth
    20…F. Louw
    21…McCleod
    22…De Villiers / Viljoen ***

    I like it. I think it’s apretty good Side with lots of talent, But it’s all Kiwi Thinking
    Cheers Pauly

  • 48.THE MAULER: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 13:20 pm

    Pauly… Just not Hargreaves… Rest of the team very good!

  • 49.wpjoulekkading: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 14:05 pm

    @THE MAULER(THE MAULER)-48: Ja, have to agree, nice team. But don’t know about Hargreaves. I would have Juandre Kruger or Elstadt in the mix, and maybe start with Etzebeth.
    For number 3, don’t know if it’s to early to start with Kitshoff. But I like Oosthuizen at 1, he needs to grow into that role. What’s nice is he covers 3 as well, but then we would need another 1 on the bench.
    Actually I hope they end up going to the 8 bench with 3 front rows, would sure solve a lot of headaches.

  • 50.Heavens Game: Reply to this comment
    27 Mar 2012, 14:12 pm

    Okay since we on this team picking things, here is the ultimate HG team to play against England and to Win the 4 Nations.

    1. Gurthro
    2. Bismarck
    3. Jannie Du P
    4. Etsebeth
    5. Bekker
    6. Potgieter
    7. Alberts
    8. Strauss
    9. Hougaard
    10. Lambie
    11. Mvovo
    12. Steyn
    13. JPP
    14. Aplon
    15. Taute/Viljoen (2 minds)

    Bench. Beast, Chili, Kruger, Spies, Kruger, Jantjies, Dejong

    No Schalk. His time is over.

    No Goosen – you fools are actually dreaming. Never have I seen a more overrated player in a long time. I remember seeing him badly outplayed by an English U21 player called George Ford during the Junior WC. Goosen showed a lack of ballas when the going gets tough that was something chronic.

    Morne Steyn was a close one but I decided that he has a little bit too much tunnelvisionitis that precludes him from playing in any style or thinking about rugby in any other style to the Pienk Koeie.

    He is a next best candidate along with Mossie.

    Definitely, under no circumstances whatsoever should that Munster “great”, Donkey De Villiers be allowed near this team or the Green and Gold.

    Bring on the world with this Bok side…

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