Super Rugby preview – Round 6
30 Mar 2012
JON CARDINELLI and RYAN VREDE analyse the key match-ups and pick the winners at the weekend.
Let it rain. Let the insults, ridicule and denouncement of keo.co.za’s predictions rain upon us like a bombardment of Morné Steyn up-and-unders followed by a barrage of early tackles in the air.
As the stats below will confirm, we’ve delivered a mediocre showing in the first five weeks of the 2012 Super Rugby tournament. But as a famous former Bok once said, ‘The tournament are not won in March, you follow?’ There’s still a long way to go, and we plan to make up for lost ground.
Having said that, JC has shown himself to be something of a glutton for punishment, picking the Sharks to tame Jake White’s Brumbies. Or is he a mad genius? Roll on Saturday for an answer…
Where Vrede and JC are in agreement is that the Crusaders will beat the Lions at the Coke Can and the Stormers will overpower the Bully Boys in Cape Town. The latter match promises to be one of the clashes of the competition.
KEO.CO.ZA SUCCESS RATE
VREDE: 20/34 (59%)
JC: 19/34 (56%)
Round 5
VREDE: 5/7
JC: 4/7
Round 4
VREDE: 3/6
JC: 3/6
Round 3
VREDE: 5/7
JC: 4/7
Round 2
VREDE: 4/7
JC: 4/7
Round 1
VREDE: 3/7
JC: 4/7
HIGHLANDERS vs REBELS, INVERCARGILL, FRIDAY 08:35
VREDE’S CALL: The Highlanders will feel the loss of Colin Slade, who had started to hit his stride at flyhalf before breaking his leg. But I don’t think it will be terminal to their cause. Their pack is superior to the Rebels’ across all facets of play and they will give the back division a consistent platform. The Rebels thrived in a open game last week but the Landers won’t allow them that space and time. Highlanders by 8
JC’S CALL: It’s at times like these that I wished I worked for SuperSport. You want a prediction? Maybe I can just manufacture a fake laugh and say it’s too close to call. Cut to commercial! Seriously, the Rebels can be competitive, and I place far more stock in James O’Connor as a flyhalf option than Danny Cipriani. However, the Highlanders still boast a formidable pack despite their recent losses. They must be favourites at home, even though home this Friday will be a stadium in the wet and windy Invercargill. Don’t expect an inspiring showing. Highlanders by 5
Highlanders - 15 Ben Smith, 14 Kade Poki, 13 Tamati Ellison, 12 Shaun Treeby, 11 Hosea Gear, 10 Chris Noakes, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Nasi Manu, 7 James Haskell, 6 Adam Thomson, 5 Jarrad Hoeata, 4 Josh Bekhuis, 3 Chris King, 2 Jason Rutledge, 1 Jamie Mackintosh (c).
Subs: 16 Brayden Mitchell, 17 Ma’afu Fia, 18 Culum Retallick, 19 Doug Tietjens, 20 Jimmy Cowan, 21 Phil Burleigh, 22 Buxton Popoali’i.
Rebels – 15 Kurtley Beale, 14 Mark Gerrard, 13 Lachlan Mitchell, 12 Lloyd Johansson, 11 Cooper Vuna, 10 James O’Connor, 9 Nick Phipps, 8 Gareth Delve (c), 7 Tom Chamberlain, 6 Jarrod Saffy, 5 Hugh Pyle, 4 Luke Jones, 3 Laurie Weeks, 2 Adam Freier, 1 Nic Henderson.
Subs: 16 Ged Robinson, 17 Rodney Blake, 18 Alister Campbell, 19 Michael Lipman, 20 Nic Stirzaker, 21 James Hilgendorf, 22 Julian Huxley.
HURRICANES vs CHEETAHS, WELLINGTON, SATURDAY 06:30
VREDE’S CALL: The Cheetahs lack that little bit of quality to convert good performances into victories and I don’t think they’ll make that step in Wellington. The Canes have exhibited a measure of pragmatism that has amplified their threat. They play a good field position game but still possess the punch in the backline to be a threat. They won’t be loose against the Cheetahs, who will grow in their desperation after being suffocated. It’ll be close for 60 minutes, but the Canes will pull away in the final quarter. Hurricanes by 8
JC’S CALL: The Cheetahs will have noted the Hurricanes’ high penalty count at the ruck, and know that if they apply the pressure in this area they should earn the rewards. Are the Cheetahs an 80-minute team? That is the real question. The Hurricanes, who are supposed to be rebuilding this year, have produced some gutsy performances in the first five weeks, and the young Beauden Barrett looks to be a flyhalf who steps up to the plate when the situation demands it. It will be a tough scrap up front, but the Hurricanes should have enough to beat an improved but ultimately still inadequate Cheetahs outfit. Hurricanes by 5
Hurricanes - 15 Andre Taylor, 14 Cory Jane, 13 Conrad Smith (c), 12 Charlie Ngatai, 11 Julian Savea, 10 Beauden Barrett, 9 TJ Perenara, 8 Brad Shields, 7 Karl Lowe, 6 Faifili Levave, 5 Jason Eaton, 4 James Broadhurst, 3 Jeffery Toomaga-Allen, 2 Dane Coles, 1 Tristan Moran.
Subs: 16 Motu Matu’u, 17 Michael Bent, 18 Mark Reddish, 19 Jack Lam, 20 Chris Eaton, 21 Daniel Kirkpatrick, 22 Jayden Hayward.
Cheetahs – 15 Hennie Daniller, 14 Ryno Benjamin, 13 Robert Ebersohn, 12 Andries Strauss, 11 Willie le Roux, 10 Johan Goosen, 9 Piet van Zyl, 8 Philip van der Walt, 7 Justin Downey, 6 Heinrich Brüssow, 5 Izak van der Westhuizen, 4 George Earle, 3 WP Nel, 2 Adriaan Strauss (c), 1 Coenie Oosthuizen.
Subs: 16 Hercu Liebenberg, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Andries Ferreira, 19 Ashley Johnson, 20 Tewis de Bruyn, 21 Sias Ebersohn, 22 Philip Snyman.
CHIEFS vs WARATAHS, HAMILTON, SATURDAY 08:35
VREDE’S CALL: The Waratahs profited from some defensive lapses by the Sharks last weekend but the Chiefs won’t be as generous. The Chiefs’ superior physicality will trouble the Tahs, who at times looked decidedly impotent. The Chiefs will also target Rob Horne’s channel in midfield. Horne has missed more tackles than anyone in the competition and he will have to contend with the tournament’s best midfield pair in Sonny Bill Williams and Richard Kahui, who will thrive on their pack’s dominance. Chiefs by 12
JC’S CALL: Back in Cowbell Country, the Chiefs will consolidate their position at the top of the Kiwi conference with a win over the Waratahs. The visitors’ midfield pairing of Tom Carter and Rob Horne will demand a high level of aggression and accuracy from the Chiefs’ defence, but as Vrede suggests, the key to stifling the Waratahs is subduing their pack. Keeping powerful carriers like Carter and Wycliff Palu honest starts with disrupting the Waratahs’ set piece, and winning the collisions and breakdowns. The Chiefs have been dominant at the point of contact, and another rabid breakdown showing will provide the necessary platform for their halfbacks to dictate the flow of the game. Chiefs by 6
Chiefs - 15 Robbie Robinson , 14 Asaeli Tikoirotuma, 13 Richard Kahui, 12 Sonny Bill Williams, 11 Tim Nanai-Williams, 10 Aaron Cruden, 9 Tawera Kerr-Barlow, 8 Kane Thompson, 7 Tanerau Latimer, 6 Liam Messam, 5 Brodie Retallick, 4 Craig Clarke (c), 3 Ben Tameifuna, 2 Hika Elliot, 1 Arizona Taumalolo.
Subs: 16 Mahonri Schwalger, 17 Josh Hohneck, 18 Michael Fitzgerald, 19 Sam Cane, 20 Augustine Pulu, 21 Andrew Horrell, 22 Lelia Masaga.
Waratahs – 15 Bernard Foley, 14 Tom Kingston, 13 Rob Horne, 12 Tom Carter, 11 Adam Ashley-Cooper, 10 Berrick Barnes, 9 Brendan McKibbin, 8 Wycliff Palu, 7 Chris Alcock, 6 Dave Dennis, 5 Kane Douglas, 4 Dean Mumm, 3 Sekope Kepu, 2 Tatafu Polota-Nau, 1 Benn Robinson (c).
Subs: 16 John Ulugia, 17 Paddy Ryan, 18 Sitaleki Timani, 19 Lopeti Timani, 20 Jono Jenkins, 21 Sarel Pretorius, 22 Daniel Halangahu.
BRUMBIES vs SHARKS, CANBERRA, SATURDAY 10:40
VREDE’S CALL: The Brumbies have been excellent to date when measured against the losses of senior players and change of coach that destabilised the side. There has been an intense focus on defence and they have developed a greater appreciation for a field position game. Still they possess a sharp attacking edge, particularly from broken field opportunities created from dominant hits and clinical breakdown work, Michael Hooper prominent in this regard. They’ll be too good for a Sharks side that lacks the forward power to trouble them. Their power in this regard is primarily diluted by a lack of second row thrust. It affects them in set and general play, where the Brumbies will boss affairs to set up a victory based on abrasive forward play. Brumbies by 9
JC’S CALL: The Sharks are going to have to go above and beyond to win this one. By that I mean that they will need to lift their levels beyond that of satisfactory, which was what they produced against the Waratahs last week. It’s not enough that they win all their lineouts, they need to challenge the opposition at this set piece and thus disrupt their momentum. They need to make more of their visits into opposition territory, and show some composure with ball in hand (ie don’t lose the ball in contact or force the pass). They should have closed last week’s game out, but poor defence also cost them during the dying stages. They have been steadily building their game, and this is the fixture where it might just click. John Plumtree has also stacked his bench with forwards – a good ploy considering the mindset of the Brumbies. I’m backing the Sharks, spearheaded by the irrepressible Bismarck du Plessis, to win the battle at the breakdown and thus the game. Sharks by 5
Brumbies - 15 Jesse Mogg, 14 Pat McCabe, 13 Andrew Smith, 12 Christian Lealiifano, 11 Henry Speight, 10 Matt Toomua, 9 Ian Prior, 8 Ben Mowen, 7 Michael Hooper, 6 Peter Kimlin, 5 Sam Carter, 4 Leon Power, 3 Ben Alexander, 2 Stephen Moore, 1 Ruadhri Murphy.
Subs: 16 Anthony Hegarty, 17 Scott Sio, 18 Scott Fardy, 19 Ita Vaea, 20 Nic White, 21 Zack Holmes, 22 Joe Tomane.
Sharks – 15 Riaan Viljoen, 14 Odwa Ndungane, 13 JP Pietersen, 12 Tim Whitehead, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Freddie Michalak, 9 Charl McLeod, 8 Keegan Daniel (c), 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Jandre Marais, 4 Steven Sykes, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Dale Chadwick.
Subs: 16 Craig Burden, 17 Wiehahn Herbst, 18 Anton Bresler, 19 Jean Deysel, 20 Jacques Botes, 21 Meyer Bosman, 22 Louis Ludik.
FORCE vs REDS, PERTH, SATURDAY 12:40
VREDE’S CALL: Injuries seriously undermined the Reds’ challenge against the Bulls and will do so again in Perth. The Reds still possess the pack to achieve parity with the Force, but their back division has been seriously depleted and they also lack a reliable goal-kicker. If the Force’s heavies don’t get blown away, which I don’t think they will, they’ll have enough quality to steal a vital win. Force by 7
JC’S CALL: The Force are one of those teams that you don’t want to bet on, but you don’t really want to bet against. They’re playing at home against a depleted Reds side that has just had their proverbial asses handed to them by the Bulls, and are coming off a testing tour to South Africa. So you’d expect the Force to win. Right? I’m trying to convince myself here. I have a feeling that there could be something of a Reds backlash in Perth this Saturday, although I’m not sure if it will be enough to earn Ewen McKenzie’s men a win. Force by 3
Force - 15 David Harvey, 14 Samu Wara, 13 Nick Cummins, 12 Winston Stanley, 11 Alfie Mafi, 10 James Stannard, 9 Brett Sheehan, 8 Matt Hodgson, 7 David Pocock, 6 Richard Brown, 5 Nathan Sharpe, 4 Toby Lynn, 3 Salesi Ma’afu, 2 Nathan Charles, 1 Pek Cowan.
Subs: 16 Elvis Taione, 17 Kieran Longbottom, 18 Phoenix Battye, 19 Ben McCalman, 20 Ben Seymour, 21 Rory Sidey, 22 Kyle Godwin.
Reds – 15 Rod Davies, 14 Dom Shipperley, 13 Joel Rapana, 12 Ben Tapuai, 11 Luke Morahan, 10 Dallan Murphy, 9 Will Genia, 8 Jake Schatz, 7 Liam Gill, 6 Scott Higginbotham, 5 James Horwill (c), 4 Van Humphries, 3 James Slipper, 2 James Hanson, 1 Ben Daley.
Subs: 16 Albert Anae, 17 Greg Holmes, 18 Rob Simmons, 19 Eddie Quirk, 20 Beau Robinson, 21 Nick Frisby, 22 Nathan Eyres-Brown.
LIONS vs CRUSADERS, JOHANNESBURG, SATURDAY 17:05
VREDE’S CALL: The Lions don’t have the balance in their approach to beat sides of the Saders’ calibre. Their refusal to earn the right to play the expansive brand they prefer will be their downfall. The Saders will absorb the pressure comfortably, then isolate runners and punish their hosts from turnover ball or from penalties they force for ruck infringements. On attack, Andy Ellis and Dan Carter are masters of controlling field position and with a superior pack, they will be able to dictate the flow and tempo of the game. Crusaders by 10
JC’S CALL: The Crusaders will target the Lions’ set piece which is missing several first-choice players due to injuries. It won’t matter if they receive a late boost with the inclusion of a backline star, if their pack is taking a pounding their backline will struggle to make an impact. I can’t see the Crusaders playing expansively, especially after their indifferent start to the season. They will look to take control through the forwards and their All Blacks halfbacks will kick them into good positions before bringing the dangerous backs into play. A competitive showing by the Lions will keep the scoreline respectable, but if they lose focus they could finish on the wrong side of a hiding. Crusaders by 12
Lions – 15 James Kamana, 14 Deon van Rensburg, 13 Jaco Taute, 12 Alwyn Hollenbach, 11 Andries Coetzee, 10 Butch James, 9 Tian Meyer, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Joshua Strauss (c), 6 Derick Minnie, 5 Franco van der Merwe, 4 Marius Coetzer, 3 Pat Cilliers, 2 Callie Visagie, 1 Caylib Oosthuizen.
Subs: 16 Martin Bezuidenhout, 17 Jacobie Adriaanse, 18 Stephan Greeff, 19 Cobus Grobbleaar, 20 Ross Cronje, 21 Elton Jantjies, 22 Lionel Mapoe.
Crusaders - 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Robbie Fruean, 12 Tom Taylor, 11 Zac Guildford, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Andy Ellis, 8 Kieran Read (c), 7 Matt Todd, 6 George Whitelock, 5 Sam Whitelock, 4 Luke Romano, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Corey Flynn, 1 Wyatt Crockett.
Subs: 16 Quentin MacDonald, 17 Ben Franks, 18 Tom Donnelly, 19 Luke Whitelock, 20 Willi Heinz, 21 Ryan Crotty, 22 Tom Marshall.
STORMERS vs BULLS, CAPE TOWN, SATURDAY 19:10
VREDE’S CALL: They’ll be clad in pink but there will be nothing soft about the Bulls at Newlands. Through their physicality, they will test the Stormers’ defence in a manner no side has managed to date. If they get the upper hand here the Stormers’ unbeaten run will end. Offered space and time, Morné Steyn will be able to dictate affairs with his boot in general play and from penalties forced by ruck infringements. The Bulls have also shown their ability to score tries when they get into the right positions. But I don’t think they will trouble the Stormers’ granitic defence in the way that is required and neither do I believe the Stormers will be lured into cavalier attacks from deep. They’ll grind out a victory off the back of penalties and perhaps a try. It won’t be pretty, but the Cape boys won’t care. Stormers by 8
JC’s CALL: Put simply, the Stormers need to out-bash the Bulls. If they can out-muscle the Bully Boys at the set piece and maintain the pressure at the breakdown, that pressure will be transferred onto the Bulls halfbacks. As gifted as he is, Francois Hougaard’s running threat is diminished when the platform is not provided. As prodigious as he is, Morné Steyn battles for kicking accuracy when his pack is not on the front foot. And yes, there will be bombs. Whether Steyn has the time to set himself to launch those inevitable garryowens with the necessary accuracy, and assuming the Bulls chasers are diligent in following said mortars, is another story. The Stormers’ key men in terms of the kicking game will be Dewaldt Duvenage and Joe Pietersen, with the pop-gun boot of Peter Grant featuring in a secondary capacity. Behind the pack that has the upper hand, Duvenage and Pietersen must translate pressure into field position. And in front of goal, Pietersen can’t afford to be as inconsistent as he’s been in recent games, because the Bulls won’t provide the Stormers with many kickable opportunities. I expect the Stormers pack to do its job, but I’m not holding my breath for their backs to penetrate a solid Bulls defence. Pietersen’s role as points scorer is thus crucial to the Stormers’ success in their most important match to date. Stormers by 6
Stormers - 15 Joe Pietersen, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Jean de Villiers (c), 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Peter Grant, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Rynhardt Elstadt, 6 Siya Kolisi, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Brok Harris, 2 Tiaan Liebenberg, 1 Steven Kitshoff.
Subs: 16 Deon Fourie, 17 Frans Malherbe, 18 De Kock Steenkamp, 19 Nick Koster, 20 Louis Schreuder, 21 Burton Francis, 22 Gerhard van den Heever.
Bulls – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Akona Ndungane, 13 Johann Sadie, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies (c), 7 Jacques Potgieter, 6 CJ Stander, 5 Juandré Kruger, 4 Flip van der Merwe, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 1 Dean Greyling.
Subs: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Frik Kirsten, 18 Wilhelm Steenkamp, 19 Arno Botha, 20 Jano Vermaak, 21 Louis Fouché, 22 JJ Engelbrecht.
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29 Mar 2012, 16:30 pm
@brains_trust(brains_trust)-99:
I admit it’s a roll of the dice this round, could go either way
I believe the Stormers game is a bunker though
29 Mar 2012, 16:39 pm
Lions, like the Reds last week a beaten team with confidence problems, a matter of time till they will get completely annihilated…..might just be this weekend
29 Mar 2012, 16:45 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-97:
Howzit feel sitting on that fence
29 Mar 2012, 16:53 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-103:
Very uncomfortable.
29 Mar 2012, 17:03 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-94: you’re as good as your last game, grouchy
29 Mar 2012, 17:09 pm
@Getafix(phil72)-102: i guess with wepener injured and mbonambi as replacement to chiliboy then it’s confirmed that the bulls will lose?
29 Mar 2012, 17:11 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-101: i guess with wepener injured and mbonambi as replacement to chiliboy then it’s confirmed that the bulls will lose?
29 Mar 2012, 17:13 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-106:
Having sleepless nights….
29 Mar 2012, 17:20 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-107:
Not the whole story, not even 20% of it
The real Bulls are those you saw against the Blues, the Stormers are better in the forwards and have a much more effective halfbacks combo.
And then quota for quota not much to tell except chiliboi who is a huge liability
Joubert can surely swing it for the Bulls but I doubt he will try it Saturday
29 Mar 2012, 17:26 pm
Craig Joubert! Ooooh fok!
29 Mar 2012, 17:30 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-109: surely it works to the stormers favour that they’ve dropped ntubeni & put deon fourie on their bench as hooker cover?
29 Mar 2012, 17:30 pm
See the Bully boys are quite bullish after last weekends game. Ons sal maar sien!
29 Mar 2012, 17:53 pm
Oh! You poor, sad, worthless, foolish fools are so lost once again as you opportunistically try to score meaningless points off each other even if you illegaly go for the thoat.
Allow me then to simply add to all your loving that is dynamically flowing like a raging torrent instead of ;like a peaceful stream in a meandering pasture of the valley of tranquility.
Transie are you finding it too hot in this kitchen as even all your brown-nosing has been to no avail?
Do you realise that the brown-floater may just not be you but , in fact, from a ‘Euro’ as only they are ‘sophisticated’ enough to even spit at their ‘creator’s, great creations at any number of Virgin Active gyms?
29 Mar 2012, 17:57 pm
ola ET!
yebo baba kungani!
could you translate that last piece of your asb?
29 Mar 2012, 17:59 pm
There goes the neighbourhood.
Et, why don’t you put on a hoodie and go for a stroll in your nearest gated community?
29 Mar 2012, 18:05 pm
bulls forwards will be brought back to earth with a bump.
reds folded and all the good ball bulls got made their backs look better than they are.
weepee to take this and get 4 points.
bulls to go home empty handed.
29 Mar 2012, 18:11 pm
So some teen’s death becomes your joke? Typically sick.
You can totally have and own that “neighbourhood” for your post 204 of the other day and Tacs. 170 of same thread has to be the sickest and most hate-filled and hypocritical postsposts I have witnessed.
Against whom do you seek to build your Great Walls of Hatred and your bunkers?
29 Mar 2012, 18:13 pm
@ET.(ET.)-117:
double ” post” word – delete.
29 Mar 2012, 18:19 pm
Don’t know why all the talk of the Stormers backs being weak – the only reason why the backs aren’t scoring is down to the game plan. The Stormers will surprise the free running Bulls with lethal counter attacks.
29 Mar 2012, 18:26 pm
Only one decent human had the guts to mock all this Zille-Pill garbage. Take a big bow HG.
Here is the problem which emanates from the ‘opposition leader’ in the country she was born in but with these words her gene-pool clearly screams the continent which gave us Hitler.
” A war of words has broken out between the Presidency and DA leader Helen Zille after she accused President Jacob Zuma of perpetuating “unequal Bantu education” through “politically expedient” backing for teachers’ union Sadtu, an affiliate of ANC ally Cosatu.
Zille made the comments on Human Rights Day when she led a 2 000-strong march to Sadtu’s offices in Port Elizabeth and spoke out against teachers’ right to strike trumping that of children to have an uninterrupted education.”
Still further it gets much worse:
” DA LEADER Helen Zille has sparked a Twitter storm for calling Eastern Cape pupils who attend Western Cape schools “refugees”.
Her statement referred to a protest against overcrowding at a Grabouw school.
“Refugees are ppl who have to escape because their rights are violated. That describes E Cape pupils exactly,” Zille responded to a Twitter user on Tuesday after being asked to define a refugee.
Many tweeters were angered by the response, but Zille defended herself throughout the day.
In one tweet she said: “For the record – the term refugee is also used for people who “have been forced to migrate within their home countries”.
Twitter users retaliated.
“I thought … we were long time gone from name calling and labelling people who live in our beautiful SA, refugees? Really!,” wrote @xolanixabashe.
Another tweeted: “Ironic. when Jimmy Manyi made an insensitive comment about Cape Coloureds last year, Helen and Co had a baby over it. Now it’s her turn.”
ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu said Zille’s use of the word refugee was racist and should not be tolerated.
“Zille’s racist statement underpins the DA’s policy of exclusionism of blacks. She will never say the same thing about whites who relocate from one area of the country to the Western Cape or even those who relocate from other countries to the Western Cape.
“To reduce South Africans who have free movement in their own country as refugees is tantamount to instigating against them by labelling them with a tag associated with foreigners,” Mthembu said ……………….. }
She is so sophisticated that she does not yet understand that people who have a gene-pool of 100s of 1000s of years to Africa, let alone S. Africa, cannot by any definition be regarded as “refugees’ in the land of their birth and also the only continent most will ever set foot on because of their poverty-stricken existence.
This is the typical bullying mentality of Apartheid cultured power.
29 Mar 2012, 18:34 pm
If this is the problem:
” Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille’s reference to Eastern Cape pupils who flocked to the Western Cape for a better education as refugees was “inhumane”, the Eastern Cape ANC said on Saturday.
“This… inhumane statement coupled with unfair labelling against school children studying in the Western Cape are further testament to the fact that the DA thinks Western Cape is a place for whites only,” provincial spokesman Mlibo Qoboshiyane said in a statement.
“If there has ever been a need for proof that the liberation struggle for freedom in South Africa was incomplete, this must be one such.”
The DA leader sparked a war on social networking sight Twitter on Tuesday as many users were angered by her use of the word “refugee”.
However, Zille remained firm and defended herself throughout the day.
Her statement was in reference to a protest in Grabouw over overcrowding at a local school ”
Then here is the answer even if ot is from the highly compromised ANC:
{{{ Helen Zille exposing her racial nakedness
” As a young black person in SA, I seem to be reminded constantly of my place in society, that I remain a descendant of those who were enslaved in their own land.
Despite the crucial historical milestones of our struggle, we have pockets of people that still lust over the past and continuously entrench the oppressive status quo through any means at their disposal.
It was thus without shock that I learnt of Helen Zille’s remarks about many young black pupils from the Eastern Cape seeking schooling in the Western Cape.
The DA leader, Honourable Zille, referred to South Africans of indigenous origin as refugees flocking to the Western Cape to escape conditions of economic hardship in the Eastern Cape. She justifies and attempts to validate her assertion by laying the blame at the doorstep of her natural enemy, the ANC government in the Eastern Cape, in particular.
She unapologetically labelled them refugees. Yes, refugees in their own mother land.
On the face of it, this false assertion seems to be innocent and un-laden with any prejudice. However, a thorough analysis reveals quite dramatically the prejudice and racial stereotyping that is prevalent in SA as epitomised by the leader of the DA, Empress Helen Zille.
As an empress of racism and racial bigotry, she cannot hide her ideological and subjective disposition to the other, a racial other – in this context another that must continue to live in conditions of squalor, exclusion, inferiority, economic oppression and exploitation. Indeed, an indigenous African other who must always be made to feel that the empire and its civilising and economic advance is not a natural habitat for her backwardness and rural and peasant conditions.
The comments reminded me of a song by Yvonne Chaka Chaka, composed during the draconian rule of apartheid, tilted Mamaland.
Part of the song’s lyrics are: Who’s that man calling me stranger in my land, my mother’s land.
This song was evidently referring to the racist regime which brutally reminded Africans that they were ruling the country, and making every black man feel as if they were a stranger in their own land.
Zille just reminded us of those dark days of apartheid where blacks had concentrated areas designated by the apartheid agents and that was where they belonged.
Her comment also comes just after a deputy minister and leader of the Freedom Front Plus, Pieter Mulder, was audacious enough to refer to black people as Bantus, in this day and age. A term which is no less as derogatory as ****** is in the US and k***** in SA. Unfortunately, it’s a word still used in dark corners of farms where workers have no rights or access to the justice system.
I asked myself what exactly gives these people the arrogance and zeal to say such things in this democratic dispensation. Is it because as blacks, we have become perpetual apologists? Like ***** carrying his cross, are we carrying the burden of ensuring that this country ultimately becomes a non-sexist, non-racial democratic society?
Even if it means that that we are the only ones who believe in this vision?
Its evident that many whites in SA tacitly yearn for the dark days of apartheid, that despite their benefits from the immense economic development and reconciliatory spirit of the ANC-led government, they still undermine efforts to reconcile this country.
The construction of racial otherness in our country – underpinned by capitalist exploitation – has created a country with skewed economic development and demographic inequalities.
These have defined blacks in general and Africans in particular as condemned to live in conditions that only experience life as subalterns rejected by the imposition of white dominance, with its claims of civilising epitomes through religion, education, high systems of thought and culture.
It’s no strange phenomenon, here and in other countries, that people would move to large cities to search for better opportunities, employment and so forth because of this narrow displacement by the apartheid regime.
Empress Zille is forcing us to do what we must to confront a demon that faces our country, the issue of racism and its denialism and capitalist exploitation.
Not long ago, she appropriated and enclosed herself in the apparel of the liberation movement by claiming to embrace its history and leaders, including the Freedom Charter, which proclaims that SA is a country that belongs to all who live in it, black or white.
We knew then, when she did this that it was a superficiality and pretence to gain votes in the constituencies of what she today refers to as refugees.
Yet, today she reveals her nakedness by reminding all Africans and blacks that her civilisation and ideology and its economic base are not meant for this despised other that must remain enchained in the colonial and exploitative milieu as a result of the wars of her forefathers.
Empress Zille succeeds only in fooling the short-sighted.
The Empress in the Western Cape should therefore be reminded that the Western Cape is an integral part of SA and that the province equally symbolises the beginning of dark days for Africans – a pit stop for slave trade and the beginning of colonisation.
Her utter racism epitomises her ambitions to assert these historical injustices and keep the black refugee in a despondent camp called Langa and Gugulethu as she does in the Western Cape.
We should worry about what she would do if she were even given a day to rule this country. ”
Gugu Ndima is spokesperson for the Gauteng ANC caucus. She writes in her personal capacity. }}
Take a huge bow and ovation Gugu.
All you prayer-snivelling hypocrites can now blissfully choke on that all the way through your holiest of Easter w-end. You have once again been placated.
29 Mar 2012, 18:41 pm
i cant be bother to read that ****, can you summarise in 2 sentences?
29 Mar 2012, 18:47 pm
As for the Fartest known as ‘Cun.t(her)?
‘Jy is die grap soos gewoontlik.
Die verkleinwoord is nooit jou “graapie” jou groot Aap(geen verkleining nodig hier nou) maar jy sal mos nooit regtig weet, nie so nie?
Daardie kultuur dat jy so gretig vir almal wil bewys sal jy nooit in hierdie lewe regkry nie.
Jy is ‘n ‘gemaakte’ Suid Afrikaner.’
And as for squealing like a ruptured pig to Transie about involving ‘jou wyfie’ that is(coming from the so compromised you on that item) so like the bully you wish to be.
29 Mar 2012, 18:49 pm
Never mind two sentences for you.
‘ Ek gee jou net twee woorde; jou moer’
29 Mar 2012, 18:50 pm
That’s it.
Dead thread.
No more rugby.
29 Mar 2012, 18:51 pm
@ET.(ET.)-123:
Al dra ‘n AAP (Cun.ther) ‘n goue ring
hy bly nogsteeds ‘n lelike ding.
29 Mar 2012, 19:06 pm
@ET.(ET.)-117: I’m not joking,
29 Mar 2012, 19:07 pm
Good if you dead.
Prawnoid is fitting then now
” You better off dead if you have not yet died”
Somebody needs to be around to kill sick, racist threads like the graet wall to nowhere with it bunkers and underground water of the other day.
29 Mar 2012, 19:10 pm
Howzit ET!
Are you well buddy?
Family fine too?
29 Mar 2012, 19:12 pm
You should read your own copy pastes.
Name-calling doesn’t belong in our country. Yet you come here with your filthy utterances and insult everyone with the worst names imaginable.
29 Mar 2012, 19:12 pm
@ET.(ET.)-121:
are you confused or do you exist to confuse normal people?
after going on about “superblacks” and the anc…..
now you’re berating zille/da and quoting a “superblack” to make your point.
do you actually know what you want?
a short, sharp, concise reply will do, thank you.
29 Mar 2012, 19:13 pm
Fecking disrespectful irrelevant git.
29 Mar 2012, 19:18 pm
Of course you are not since you are a thoroughly diseased mental case, otherwise referred to as psychologically deranged.
Blame your ‘apartheid’ culture for that sicko.
Wonder what the poets feel when the write ” every man’s death deminishes me for I am involved in mankind”
Conclusion? You are not mankind, since an unarmed teenager’s shooting death by a fellow man becomes your sick retort as you refer to what he wore on the occassion.
29 Mar 2012, 19:26 pm
Rebels
Cheetahs
Sharks
Reds
Crusaders
Stormers
29 Mar 2012, 19:28 pm
Damn simple things like bad can be white or black still eludes many even in their old age and after all that EXPERIENCE ACQUIRED?
29 Mar 2012, 19:31 pm
WP have 3 quotas to many! Bulls by 5! also that hooker who is on the bench is below par! won’t make any Vodacom Cup team …. had a shocking game when he came on vs the Lions …. can’t see the Bulls losing this one!
29 Mar 2012, 19:42 pm
@grant10(grant100)-136:
The hooker has been dropped.
Deon Fourie is back from injury and is on the bench
29 Mar 2012, 19:47 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-125:
Let me resume the debate.
The Stormers have a kickass rugby side.
And one little Bulls babe will be sobbing uncontrollably come Saturday evening.
29 Mar 2012, 19:47 pm
very good news robzim! thx for the info! but Deon also not the best line out throw’er!
29 Mar 2012, 19:49 pm
@grant10(grant100)-136:
Impostor, get your facts correct before posting. Ntubeni has been axed from the match day squad and Deon Fourie has replaced him.
29 Mar 2012, 19:50 pm
Indeed extraball is the biggest refugee around
29 Mar 2012, 19:50 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-137:
Snap.
29 Mar 2012, 19:53 pm
also the last 3 games vs the Bulls Juan de Jongh had absolute shockers …. in 2 of them he only lasted 30 minutes …. lets see what happens this weekend. Think he is a bit “skrikkerig” vir die boere van Pta
29 Mar 2012, 19:58 pm
@ ET: HJB man! Helen Zille will kick Zuma in his purse – like the Stormers will moer the Bulls. BTW: The WC is the best run province again! It never was under ANC rule. ANC can suck on my chocolate, salty balls. I’m coloured and from Mitchells Plain so I have to be racist!
29 Mar 2012, 20:06 pm
@ET.(ET.)-120: Those refugees in Langa and Gugs have been there under ANC rule too, local and national, so stop bleating like a bi@tch and see the ANCircus for what it is………….a bunch of corrupt, thieving rapists who don’t have a farking clue on how to govern efficiently! Viva Zille!!!
29 Mar 2012, 20:11 pm
Zille’s response came in the face of real, tangible, stabbed-multiple-times racial tension. Her ‘refugee’ slight was racist because she inferred that the coloured community have natural rights in the Western Cape whereas black Africans who recently moved from the Eastern Cape some how don’t. (Politicians should use legal definitions not the first entry of a free-online-dictionary search). Her comment is therefore no different from Pieter Mulder’s madness or that of the Cape Party.
Also, during the xenophobic violence of 2008 the only Parliamentarian to echo the xenophobic rhetoric and incitement to violence heard on the streets from Alexandria to Khayelitsha was DA MP Diane Kohler-Barnard who said about foreigners that they are “wondering in and out of the country attending our schools, using our hospitals and clinics and eating our food.” She called for stricter measures to keep them out.
So I think Premier Zille and her party are xenophobic and racist and not the everyone else. She also does an immense disservice to the former lived reality of the majority of poor working class black African foreigners who are real asylum seekers and refugees who have fled war, dictatorship, no services whatsoever, hyper-inflation, state supported homophobia, famine, civil war and the list goes on.
29 Mar 2012, 20:22 pm
ashwin willemse doing a great job of presenting lions tv.
go saaaaarkssssss
29 Mar 2012, 20:37 pm
Feck man ashwin can’t help the way he speaks why must he be ridiculed.
29 Mar 2012, 20:40 pm
Good grief boots ‘n all is like watching paint dry zzzzzz
29 Mar 2012, 20:42 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-148:
the way he speaks and conducts himself is charming.
way better than that wet fish hosting boots ‘n all these days.
irritable tonight?
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