Crusaders cleared of foul play
9 Apr 2012
Crusaders coach Todd Blackadder has demanded an apology from the Bulls after eye-gouging allegations against his team couldn’t be substantiated by the Super Rugby citing commissioner.
Bulls forwards Chiliboy Ralepelle and Flip van der Merwe complained to referee Jaco Peyper that they had been eye-gouged during their match in Pretoria, won 32-30 by the Bulls. Peyper used a white card to refer the incidents to the citing commissioner.
According to reports in New Zealand, the commissioner has reviewed the video footage of the incidents in question and found the Crusaders not guilty.
‘The citing commissioner has reviewed it and after that review there was nothing in the video footage that would point to the allegation being substantiated,’ Sanzar chief executive Greg Peters said.
‘The citing commissioner also found it interesting that the Bulls did not follow through with a complaint within the four-hour window after the game.’
After the game, Blackadder said he was ‘bemused’ at the allegations and demanded an apology if they were found to be incorrect. Following the citing commissioner’s ruling and after looking at the footage, the Crusaders coach wonders why the Bulls would have made such claims.
‘The first one with Chiliboy, you would expect that the player would come out of the breakdown holding his eye, but he certainly didn’t. I wonder whether it was a negative ploy.’
Captain Kieran Read also said that he was disappointed with the Bulls for accusing the Crusaders of such tactics.
‘Initially I was really surprised at the allegations,’ he said. ‘It has now come out that there’s no case to answer.
‘It’s a kick in the guts to us because we’re men of integrity and it’s no surprise that it’s turned out the way it has.’
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9 Apr 2012, 10:45 am
@greentea(greentea)-425: You trust a a team with a naked winger drunk in bar?
Oh I forgot that was not him, must have been his twin,Crusader players will never do that
9 Apr 2012, 10:47 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-450: You don’t
Backing the Stormers to leave the Crusaders stranded.
9 Apr 2012, 10:47 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-431: Same as Tod was not accused, his team was, and no one by name
Re look now at your they need to apologise
9 Apr 2012, 10:47 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-450:
Go for the Stormers buddy…they are unstoppable this season…from a Bull’s supporter, plus the Crusaders will be flat from flying home…
9 Apr 2012, 10:48 am
Who was the citing commissioner ? and why is he finding it “interesting” that the bulls didnt follow up the complaint? . A white card was issued which is officially automatically saying that the incident must be reviewed why do the bulls have to follow it up?
goes to show you what attitude the judiciary take towards south african teams. its like they are implying that chili and flip are lying
there is not enough evidence to pin this on anyone that doesnt mean it didnt happen.
bulls v crusaders at loftus games alway have some drama – last time houggard score after the hooter and the crusaders said there was a forward pass. this time they were denied a try which could have won them the game
9 Apr 2012, 10:51 am
@CAPECRUSADER (seven-times champions)(CAPECRUSADER)-449:
I immediately picked the Bulls (on Superbru) to win this one by a few points when I saw the terrible twins (Jako and Pro) will be officiating.
Otherwise i would have gone for Saders by at least 8.
I mentioned this to Tacitus before the game but then somebody else on the blog called me a whinger so maybe we must just change the subject
9 Apr 2012, 10:54 am
@ossewa(ossewa)-454: you could be right.the title is the stormers’ to lose.i believe that they were second favourites with the bookies going into the weekend,but,surely,their odds must have shortened on that saurday’s display.
9 Apr 2012, 10:54 am
The Citing Commissioners and the back-up commissioners (in brackets) are:
South Africa:Freek Burger (Andy Prior)
Australia:Scott Nowland (**** Byres)
New Zealand:Steve Hinds (Mike O Leary)
Are these still in charge?
9 Apr 2012, 10:56 am
@CAPECRUSADER (seven-times champions)(CAPECRUSADER)-457: should read saturday/
9 Apr 2012, 10:57 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-452:
@ossewa(ossewa)-454:
Hey, i hope you guys are right.
I was at newlands last year when the saders beat us despite fielding a very depleted team and later even had to play a flanker on the wing.
It was a terrible day,since that day i am a bit scared of that bunch.
9 Apr 2012, 10:58 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-456: pro is a legend.
9 Apr 2012, 11:01 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-450: Yes, quite a conundrum. I’m not sure which way to go frankly. If I pick the Saders on the picks then I probably hedge my bets best, either way I have something.
If the Stormers lose then it’s a consolation, if they win I’d be happy to give up the points I guess…..
I may go out on a limb and just pick my guys though. Go for it anyway….
9 Apr 2012, 11:04 am
Can’t wait for tacitus to appear today or tomorrow, proclaiming to the world that,despite the stormers great rugby,his beloved bulls are only FOUR points behind them.
9 Apr 2012, 11:07 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-462:
Yip, one of the kakkest feelings is to pick ‘against’ the Stormers and then they win-it happened to me last year when they played away against the bulls and sharks- felt like a bit of a traitor, lol.
Only Skoppy knew for sure they were going to win
9 Apr 2012, 11:07 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-460: The Saders lost Sonny and we have fit locks which will make a difference to our pack at scrum time.
I am sure some will say the Saders will be fired up to prove a point. Conversely then, wouldn’t the Stormers be fired up to take the Saders down a peg or two.
9 Apr 2012, 11:08 am
This tournament sucks
The team at number 3 on the log has less points than the Bulls. The whole concept is wrong, too many derby matches, not enough variations, not playing all the teams
9 Apr 2012, 11:08 am
@CAPECRUSADER (seven-times champions)(CAPECRUSADER)-463: The Bulls will be in the running right till the end.
9 Apr 2012, 11:09 am
@JL1(JL1)-466: Yes, this conference nonsense is a bleery mess.
9 Apr 2012, 11:13 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-464: Haha yes I always used to go for the Stormers and they constantly disappointed me, I used to haemorrhage points on them regularly, but I felt like a traitor if I didn’t back them.
Then I though stuff this and bet some games against them and they started winning lol.
Now I pick mostly and will probably do so this weekend as well.
Thing is, the way that the Crusaders got on top of the Bulls in the first half was by getting in their faces at the breakdown, and if ever there was team who’c pattern of play is suited to countering that it’s us.
So who knows?
9 Apr 2012, 11:15 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-467: probably.they still have to travel,so we will see.how will the young ones cope with the familiarity of loftus and the saffa derbies behind them?
9 Apr 2012, 11:16 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-465:
Yip, our pack is certainly playing better this year- they seemed to have overcome the loss of Francois Louw.
I remember DC did not play last year but the replacement flyhalf (a bloke with a norwegian name) had an absolute blinder.
Btw I was pleasantly surprised with the performance of Joe Pieterson on Saturday- i critisized him during the build up week for his lack of attacking play this year- but it was very nice to be proven wrong.
9 Apr 2012, 11:16 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-468: we need to go back to the super 10.lots of rubbish teams on all sides of the divide.
9 Apr 2012, 11:19 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-469:
Lets hold thumbs.
I am off to majik forrest now for some riding while the sun shines.
Cheers.
9 Apr 2012, 11:21 am
Yes I too preferred the days of Super 10. There is too much rugby being played. There is only so much a player’s body can take.
My gut says these young Bulls players will not be afraid of travelling. Those days are gone.
9 Apr 2012, 11:31 am
crusaders played their best 30 minutes of the season and still only led by 6 at the half.
the bulls need d.potgieter and steggmann back chop chop.Standers a ball carrier and not a ground player. Bulls relaxing and subbing everyone in the last few minutes nearly blew it. Also a daft mistake by the bulls lineout team towards the end that led to the 3rd crusader try. Bulls had a penalty after the carter block and kicked for touch. A pretty piss poor kick with not much distance. Instead of throwing safe to the front of the lineout in a defensive formation…..the bulls opted to throw long to the back and promtly got picked off. In fact, I’d say it was the best crusaders lineout of the night other than the fact that the bulls had the put in.
Hence the crusaders have a valuable bonus point after being outscored 23-6 for the meat of the game. A fairly comprehensive 40 minute spell by the bullys albeit they still look a little off the pace with plenty of improvement needed.
9 Apr 2012, 11:32 am
I’d just like to say now that Bismaark is definately no certainty for the boks, both Straaus and chilli are playing awesome rugby.
9 Apr 2012, 11:34 am
In fact, had Chilli not been in the mix, Straaus would be a serious Bok Captain candidate.
9 Apr 2012, 11:43 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-477: I haven’t seen the Cheetahs’ games. chili has impressed me. Cool, calm, focused and damn effective. He does the basics better than Bismark and is a better scrummager.
There is something about Bismark which leaves me cold.
9 Apr 2012, 11:49 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-478:
chilli and straaus are both playing really well. Bismaark is a drama and emotional player much like liebenberg. Winning the fight is as important as winning the game. Bismaarks saving grace was his work at the breakdown and turnovers. I’d say chilli and straaus are as good now but are far more adept at being an important cog in the sum-of-the-whole.
9 Apr 2012, 11:56 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-479: Liebenburg is a good super player but no international. Bismark plays his best when he has competition; I don’t like his temper, nor his scrummaging.
Bismark has the potential to be the best in the world but he needs to control his agression and he needs to sort out his scrummaging. For how many years have been people saying this now…
Until he does so, I’d go with Chili.
9 Apr 2012, 11:57 am
@Michael(mikeybrass)-478:
for the record, cheetahs are playing brilliant rugby and well done for Naka, he deserves more recognition. Goosen is worldclass already, the ebersonns are really starting to perform with sias looking awesome at 12. In fact very kiwi like having a ball player at 12.Also adding another kicking option to the backs. Leroux, if form continues will be in the mix as a bok finisher and Dannillier, along with kirchener are the form 15′s. Brussow is back to his best it would seem, not as many steals as in 2009 but workrate is unimaginable. Coonie Oost will be the bok 1 with possibly greyling as a supersub unless the quota police force beast into the mix …..injury and all.
Again must applaud naka and his team as I would say that the cheetahs have some no name brands in the pack (johnson included in my opinion) and yet still get quick ball for the backs with a decent enough set piece.
9 Apr 2012, 12:02 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-481: I like Beast. I don’t know when he is due back though. There is Gurtho who might be called back but I doubt Heyneke will do so, not with Coenie and Ginger in the mix.
I have always been a huge fan of having a playmaker at 12. Witness Michael du Plessis and Hennie le Roux at Bok level at 12, or the ’98 overseas tour with Muir at 12. Then Faffa Knoetze at 12 for WP. The list goes on.
Hopefully Heyneke will take a look at both Jantjies and Goosen during Bok squad sessions. I don’t expect it for against the English – he will have to go with established combos – but certainly as the year wears on.
9 Apr 2012, 12:02 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-481: Heyneke should look at the Cheetahs backline coach for the Boks, imo.
9 Apr 2012, 12:07 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-481: why bringing quotas into this?now wonder bulls supporters are seen as commin by capetonian stormers supporters.
9 Apr 2012, 12:09 pm
@CAPECRUSADER (seven-times champions)(CAPECRUSADER)-484: Should read no
9 Apr 2012, 12:15 pm
@Michael(mikeybrass)-483:
Brendan Venter?
9 Apr 2012, 12:18 pm
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-486: Not a fan of Venter.
9 Apr 2012, 12:19 pm
This from News 24:
Pretoria – A high school rugby player is facing criminal charges after he knocked a referee unconscious during a tournament Pretoria, according to a report on Monday.
Chris de Beer, 37, from the Blue Bulls Referee Union was sworn at and hit over the head by the boy after he sent him off with a red card for hitting another player last week, the Beeld newspaper reported.
“After the game I walked over to the player to confirm his number because I had to write a report.
“The boy took me by the throat, and said I was talking lekker kak,” he said.
The boy from Hans Strijdom High School in Mookgophong, Limpopo then hit him and rendered him unconscious.
9 Apr 2012, 12:23 pm
so,greg peters has cleared up this whole white card and reporting business in an article on rugby365.teams will be instructed to put in a written report from now on in cases where a white card has been issued.
9 Apr 2012, 12:27 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-488:
mookgophong?
9 Apr 2012, 12:30 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-488: The boy had no reason for such actions, but these refs need to get better developed.
If they can only get the basics right, but missing knock forwards, skew feeds, and forward passes frustrates everyone
9 Apr 2012, 12:30 pm
@CAPECRUSADER (seven-times champions)(CAPECRUSADER)-484:
because, beast has not had a decent game in almost 2 seasons, will not have played hardly any rugby by the time inbound tours come in and is competing for a jersey where there are plenty of candidates. We both know that sa can’t put out a whites only side so then you need to look at options. Habana,Jp Pieterson, Basson, chilli are all real candidates albeit also competing for jerseys with plenty of competition. Beest by default also comes into consideration. That is the reality of the situation, regardless of wanting to bring the “quota” into the discussion or not.
9 Apr 2012, 12:31 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-488:
lets be honest, someone should have done that to Bryce ages ago.
9 Apr 2012, 12:35 pm
@JL1(JL1)-491: still doesn’t give him the right to knock the ref senseless.frustration can get you into real trouble.in brussels over the weekend a road accident investigator got killed by an irate driver when he attended to the an accident between the said driver and a bus driver.
9 Apr 2012, 12:36 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-492: Beast and Gurtho played fantastically last season for the Boks. Both were outstanding.
9 Apr 2012, 12:38 pm
@CAPECRUSADER (seven-times champions)(CAPECRUSADER)-494: I said it is wrong, thuggish
We are seeing more of this due to stress in society, never see this happen where people are relaxed
9 Apr 2012, 12:38 pm
guthro did,beast wasn’t his best
9 Apr 2012, 12:39 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-492: on current form habana,de jongh,aplon and kolisi should be selected for the boks if they where to play next weekend.
9 Apr 2012, 12:43 pm
in any case if they want to bring back fdp then might as well bring back steenkamp who i consider better than all the players mentioned by the brigadier.
9 Apr 2012, 12:45 pm
@ 471 you mean matt berquist. he’s left to play in UK. Their young 10 (blyendaal) was captain of the NZ U20′s. I’m just glad stephen brett isn’t with canterbury anymore
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