Crusaders cleared of foul play
9 Apr 2012
Crusaders coach Todd Blackadder has demanded an apology from the Bulls after eye-gouging allegations against his team couldn’t be substantiated by the Super Rugby citing commissioner.
Bulls forwards Chiliboy Ralepelle and Flip van der Merwe complained to referee Jaco Peyper that they had been eye-gouged during their match in Pretoria, won 32-30 by the Bulls. Peyper used a white card to refer the incidents to the citing commissioner.
According to reports in New Zealand, the commissioner has reviewed the video footage of the incidents in question and found the Crusaders not guilty.
‘The citing commissioner has reviewed it and after that review there was nothing in the video footage that would point to the allegation being substantiated,’ Sanzar chief executive Greg Peters said.
‘The citing commissioner also found it interesting that the Bulls did not follow through with a complaint within the four-hour window after the game.’
After the game, Blackadder said he was ‘bemused’ at the allegations and demanded an apology if they were found to be incorrect. Following the citing commissioner’s ruling and after looking at the footage, the Crusaders coach wonders why the Bulls would have made such claims.
‘The first one with Chiliboy, you would expect that the player would come out of the breakdown holding his eye, but he certainly didn’t. I wonder whether it was a negative ploy.’
Captain Kieran Read also said that he was disappointed with the Bulls for accusing the Crusaders of such tactics.
‘Initially I was really surprised at the allegations,’ he said. ‘It has now come out that there’s no case to answer.
‘It’s a kick in the guts to us because we’re men of integrity and it’s no surprise that it’s turned out the way it has.’
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9 Apr 2012, 09:58 am
@greentea(greentea)-398: Another cheating trophy won by the Kiwi cheats, a RWC trophy, and at home
Compile a list of RwC trophies won away from home, kiwi cheat,….
Ah that will not take you too long will it
9 Apr 2012, 09:59 am
The fact that the Bulls did not submit a written complaint means nothing. They don’t have a record of citing. A white card was sued. End of. I am annoyed wi the commissioner for commenting on facts not in evidence. There is no video evidence. End of.
The fact that flips eye was injured only proves that he got a finger or stud near the eye.
Most likely scenario.
No one is lying.
Both chilli and flip got a finger in the eye.
They said so.
It could have been accidental from any player
9 Apr 2012, 10:00 am
@CAPECRUSADER (seven-times champions)(CAPECRUSADER)-394:
Not so silly i reckon- if there was gouging the camera’s would surely have pointed at least something out- or ther would have been more damage to the eye – simpson’s case was far more inconclusive.
9 Apr 2012, 10:00 am
@JL1(JL1)-401:
terrible comeback mate, South African rugby holds nothing but hot air, when you’ve got some silverware come back to me
9 Apr 2012, 10:02 am
@greentea(greentea)-399: Good mate.don’t lose your cool with these okes on here,especially that rangerman.he is a bitter old twisted man and a stirrer of note on this forum.
9 Apr 2012, 10:04 am
@CAPECRUSADER (seven-times champions)(CAPECRUSADER)-390: ok apologies for the name calling
@greentea(greentea)-398: what has that got to do with the filthy gouging incidents in the crusaders vs bulls game?
@Robzim(Robzim)-392: no individual was pointed out though my guess is that the bulls players have a good idea who was at fault but what you are suggesting is like a rape victim apologising to the rapist due to lack of evidence?
no Rob, this agression will not stand (with apologies to the Dude)
9 Apr 2012, 10:06 am
@JL1(JL1)-396:
Taking sides? .
By saying ” let that not stop you from siding with filthy kiwi scumbags” shows you take this personally because you have a pre conceived believe that the kiwi’s are filthy scumbags and therefore your views on the matter cannot be taken seriously.
9 Apr 2012, 10:07 am
Taking my girls to watch the Varsity Cup Final at LC De Villiers this evening. A bit chilly today. My girls hoping for a Tukkies win. I’m well rather remain neutral.
9 Apr 2012, 10:07 am
@CAPECRUSADER (seven-times champions)(CAPECRUSADER)-405:
thank you Cape Crusader the next time i’m in Cape Town we can meet up and watch some old reruns of the Crusaders, they are bitter they hold no silverware and look to blame everybody but their own players for that, very sad as to me losing my cool with them, Bill is safely tucked away in NZ they can keep typing whatever they like and i’ll still be smiling thats what you do when your world champions with the best record in test rugby plenty to smile about
9 Apr 2012, 10:09 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-406:
there was no eye gouging it was a beat up to unsettle the mighty Crusaders, the Bulls will pay a high price for this karma.
9 Apr 2012, 10:10 am
Every family and every country has its pros and cons! Let’s just agree to disagree and get on with it…
Rugby is what we all love and we shouldn’t let petty issues cloud our views. Bringing out the dirty washing not so good either…
9 Apr 2012, 10:11 am
todd id a bit of a twat really.
he must have been going over the match tape like a csi…..sweating like a rapist in the dock with a women judge.
he must have seen the blood to the eye of flip but because you could actually not see how it happened. He let out a massive feeeeeeeewwwww. In fact, probably the cause of the low pressure system in the western cape the last couple of days.
something happened. one only has to look at flips eye as evidence of that. And let’s face it, just because the crusaders don’t get caught doesn’t mean they are squeeky clean. In fact, they have their own threshhold withregards to what could be called skullduggery when they are on the field.
9 Apr 2012, 10:12 am
@greentea(greentea)-409:
yes, well….if flip will not be able to play this weekend because of his eye….karma indeed.
9 Apr 2012, 10:13 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-392:
not the same thing rob…
if you were on a ship and the richbitche’s diamond tiara was stolen… and she said… someone on this ship’s has stolen my tiara… would you be offended…? would you expect her to apologize to you and the 1000 people who didn’t steal it…? because she didn’t know who took it would you say she should not report it missing…?
i don’t think anyone except for the thief would not have a problem with her report… or having their rooms searched…
yes, the crusaders have a ‘clean’ record… but that is not proof or evidence that one of them did not make a mistake or lose his cool… first time for everything…
it had to be someone on the field… chances are it was not one of his mates… but even if it was… by implying the guys are lying simply for reporting foul play is a very questionable response…
so we are saying that unless there is immediate video evidence… then foul play should not be reported by the captain…?
doesn’t that defeat the purpose of the white card in the first place…? they are to find out IF foul play has occurred… the fact that video evidence was not found does not mean nothing happened or that the guys are being dishonest… or need to apologize for reporting it…
9 Apr 2012, 10:14 am
@CAPECRUSADER (seven-times champions)(CAPECRUSADER)-405: hey now what about the name calling?
i am no old man either lol.
9 Apr 2012, 10:14 am
A great game next week. Saders vs Stormers – now that is mouthwatering. In their own backyard.
9 Apr 2012, 10:15 am
@ufo(ufo)-414:
you so desparately want it to be true, why is that?
9 Apr 2012, 10:16 am
So near yet so far for our Louis! Man that was close to his second major…
9 Apr 2012, 10:16 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-415:
thats true you whine more like a school girl
9 Apr 2012, 10:16 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-406:
What i said was that if i know i have not done it (Blackadder said before the investigation that the complaints are nonsense and would not have said so unless he was sure otherwise he would have looked like an idiot if they found evidence) AND further investigations show that there is also no evidence whatsoever that I have done anything wrong I would expect some sort of apology.
It is only human I guess?.
9 Apr 2012, 10:17 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-403: don’t let your hatred for the bulls cloud your judgment.
. Sometimes tries are not given for lack of evidence especially in cases where there is a pile-up and it can’t be determined whether the ball was grounded or not.in cases like that you probably would not a camera inside that pile-up to see.I believe that these allegations were the result of ruck play,so the same principle would probably be at play here.you really got a very weak argument
9 Apr 2012, 10:20 am
@greentea(greentea)-417: you so desperately want it to be untrue but whining on a saffa blog wont take away the evidence of damage to flips eye.
needless to say i trust chili and flips word over yours all day, every week and all year long sonny, capiche?
9 Apr 2012, 10:22 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-415: Sorry.I guess I should practice what i preach.sometimes it’s important to,keep to yourself,what you think of people.
9 Apr 2012, 10:23 am
wow. what a lot of silly comments. really it is being made into a very big deal. can we thank the fans or the media for that? or the players themselves?
some good rugger this weekend. happy with how our teams are going. sharks being the exception. oh and lions too. funny that they’re both coached by kiwis.
maybe we can start another conspiracy
9 Apr 2012, 10:23 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-422:
i have faith in the crusaders the way they approach the game the respect they have for it, the history etc now we get two eye gougers in one game, of course it was completely unproven could it be because of SA’s appalling record with eye gouging, flying headbutts ear biting etc that you all desparately want this to be true very poor the Bulls will pay a high price for this
9 Apr 2012, 10:23 am
@greentea(greentea)-419:
thats the spirit, swing those widdle ppunches, bet you wish you could gouge me like one of your heros eh?
@Robzim(Robzim)-420: no man, i have to go but i simply dont see how he can demand an aopology for a complaint by players.
was todd on the field gouging?
no, so he must have a nice big glass of stfu and apologise to flip for the state of his eye.
chat laters man!
@CAPECRUSADER (seven-times champions)(CAPECRUSADER)-421: ja i agree with you, funny i am feeling less bitter by the moment lmao!
9 Apr 2012, 10:24 am
@munkiboi(munkiboi)-424:
LOL
9 Apr 2012, 10:24 am
@greentea(greentea)-417:
you seem desperate for it not to be…
if you read my posts… you’ll see i acknowledge it could have been one of their own players… however unlikely it is possible…
so no not desperate for it to be true…
from the beginning i’ve been trying to make the point that they are not wrong or liars for reporting it… and that blackadder is wrong for implying that…
it sets a dangerous precedent when players are accused of dishonesty for reporting foul play…
but if you’re happy with that… i don’t expect you to moan next time a crusader accuses someone of something without video evidence and we all call him a liar…
9 Apr 2012, 10:26 am
what is it with kiwis that they constantly need to hold the high moral ground?
and be ultra sanctimonious to boot.
is it their geographical isolation?
or the fact that their region is dominated by their big brother oz?
or perhaps that they have a simple agri-economy?
to be sure, they need the all blacks to win trophies to remind the world that nz is part of the global community.
9 Apr 2012, 10:26 am
@CAPECRUSADER (seven-times champions)(CAPECRUSADER)-423: exactly, one day i will tell you what i think of you
@greentea(greentea)-425: blah blah blah sanctimonious “butter wouldnt melt in ourt kiwi mouths” kuk.
you sound like a nun, i didnt know they had internet?
9 Apr 2012, 10:26 am
@ufo(ufo)-414:
Good argument.
Let’s just hope she has not misplaced the tiara by mistake and then later find it but keep quiet about it and the rest of the world might think for ever that there was a thief onboard
9 Apr 2012, 10:26 am
Bottom line is:
Guilty if proven. Let’s put this to rest…
Rest in Peace…
9 Apr 2012, 10:28 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-426:
Cheers man– and do not shoot the wrong fish by mistake with that new fancy spear gun of yours
9 Apr 2012, 10:29 am
@charo(charo)-429: “its not us, we areso squeaky clean, we are kiwis!”
sheesh it is boring.
i guess it is that refusal to face their own demons that makes them annoying at times but i dont doubt they see themselves as the good guys and everyone else, notably saffas, as the devils charioteers.
we must try remember this when chatting with the simple island folk with the hazy world view.
9 Apr 2012, 10:29 am
@ufo(ufo)-428:
not really its just another thing for SAFFA’s to farking whine about , win some trophies and your whining will stop that is guaranteed – have to run, the Bulls have gone into dangerous territory with these tactics
9 Apr 2012, 10:29 am
@greentea(greentea)-409: Exactly mate.sometimes you just need to sit back,smile,and watch them fight over the scraps.
9 Apr 2012, 10:29 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-433:
cheers!
9 Apr 2012, 10:31 am
@CAPECRUSADER (seven-times champions)(CAPECRUSADER)-421:
I call for a lie detecter test and an eye test (at mark Lawrence) for chilli and Flippie .
9 Apr 2012, 10:31 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-431:
hehehe…
exactly… but then noone would mind their room being searched… and indeed, if it was found in her own room… she should apologize…
if flipp or chili were proved to poke themselves in their own eye… that would be the only circumstance in which i would expect them to apologize… in any other case… evidence or not… mistake or not… teammate or not… they shouldn’t need to apologize…
9 Apr 2012, 10:32 am
im outta here too…
cheers all…
big weekend coming up…
9 Apr 2012, 10:32 am
Sounds like our buddy in China has made a comeback.
Fikthy Kiwis.
9 Apr 2012, 10:35 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-438:
9 Apr 2012, 10:39 am
@rangerman(rangerman)-406: hahahahaha you quoted the Dude!
Well played son!
Lebowski rules.
9 Apr 2012, 10:39 am
Why on earth would the Bulls needs to be jealous of the Saders? They have won more Super titles in recent years (three to ziltch). It’s by two players with impeccable records. Flip’s eye is proof something happened, whether intentional or accidental. Todd’s bullying statement before the commissioner looked at the evidence was designed to put pressure on and should be condemned.
All hail the gods of greentea’s fantasty land.
9 Apr 2012, 10:39 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-431: Well done on your Superbru this weekend. Biggest climber!
9 Apr 2012, 10:40 am
It is ridiculous that Blackadder is asking for an apology from the Bulls. You can clearly see somebody handling Chilis head in the ruck before 1/2 time, but yes there is no evidence that somebody had their fingers in his eyes. Last time I checked the rule was against contact with eyes or the eye area of an opponent. Now as this guy failed to do damage Blackadder is asking for an apology….not very sportsman like…
Was good to see the comraderie between the Bulls and Crusaders after the game.
9 Apr 2012, 10:41 am
@greentea(greentea)-435: The one whinging here about two players daring to report incidents against your precious Saders is you. Go change your nappy.
9 Apr 2012, 10:42 am
@ossewa(ossewa)-446: Todd can go apologise to Flip’s eye.
9 Apr 2012, 10:42 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-438: Chilly looks ice cool and would probably sail through that test,but I don’t know about Flippie.btw,can I send that united-loving linesman for the same eye test?looked like some crusader players eye-gouged him as well.
9 Apr 2012, 10:44 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-445:
Thanks- u did very well yourself.
I have a dilemma this weekend- it’s unlikely that the Saders will lose twice in a row (they will be very motivated and charged up after the narrow loss against the bulls) – but how do one” pick” against your own team ?
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