‘Want it? Come and get it’
10 Apr 2012
Morné Steyn will not give up his Springbok jersey without a fight.
Where once South Africa had struggled to produce world-class flyhalves with the regularity they did loose forwards, we are now blessed with youthful talent in the most pivotal position.
Steyn, at 27, is the old hand looking to stave off the advances of Generation 10. It is a challenge, he says, that has reinvigorated him and one he refuses to see himself losing.
‘They won’t just walk into the side. I won’t just give my jersey to them,’ he says in the new issue of SA Rugby magazine. ‘They have to come and get it if they want it. I won’t give it away easily.’
Steyn also responds to criticism about the way he plays the game and his defence, and explains why he’s still motivated to perform at both Super Rugby and Test levels.
Also in the new issue:
– Keegan Daniel explains his people-driven approach to captaincy
Eben Etzebeth – page 54
– Juandré Kruger and the Bulls are reaping the benefits of his decision to stick with the union over the past two seasons
– Eben Etzebeth has become an overnight sensation for the Stormers, but he almost fell through the cracks
– Derick Minnie was told he would never make it at the Lions. He didn’t listen
– Chiefs flyhalf Aaron Cruden may have a happy-go-lucky attitude but he takes his rugby deadly seriously
– Sarel Pretorius is playing his natural attacking game for the Waratahs
– In his regular column, Reds coach Ewen McKenzie explains why it’s difficult for coaches around the world to retain the players they identify and nurture
Fourie du Preez – page 132
– Opposition teams have worked hard to diminish his influence, but Cecil Afrika remains a match-winner for the Springbok Sevens team
– Cape Town is getting ready to host the IRB Junior World Championship
– The Wildeklawer Super Schools has grown into one of the biggest events on the South African schools rugby calendar
– Former Lions loose forward Ernst Joubert made a life-changing move to Saracens three years ago
– A season in Japan has rejuvenated Fourie du Preez … will he play for the Boks again?
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186 Comments
10 Apr 2012, 09:14 am
Not the biggest Morne fan, but he’s playing some of his best rugby (despite the few missed kicks at poles) at the moment.
The competition for the number 10 jersey is doing SA rugby a world of good.
10 Apr 2012, 09:15 am
Good to see FdP at the Varsity Cup final last night. Back in Pretoria.
10 Apr 2012, 09:27 am
With Meyer as coach, you don’t need to worry about a thing Morne.
Plus you are playing some decent rugby.
10 Apr 2012, 09:29 am
Steyn is going to have to fight hard, Goosen is coming for that Bok jersey.
10 Apr 2012, 09:34 am
O sh it Garth should be here any minute now kakking himself all over again…..
10 Apr 2012, 09:38 am
Steyn not back up to his top form yet but he is well on his way.
This is a brilliant situation for any coach. Morne doing well,Goosen and Lambie pushing as hard as ever and grease koppie starting to slip out of the race.
10 Apr 2012, 09:44 am
He’s been my first choice 10 all along,
He single handedly kept the Bulls in the game in the first half on Saturday after the Saders came out firing.
You need that kind of player in your team.
10 Apr 2012, 09:44 am
I dont think he should be so confident that he will retain his spot… Apparently HM rates Goosen highly… Who is to say HM will pick Steyn, he might be a bit cocky assuming that he’s still the first choice 10… Besides with other 10s having excellent kicking records, his greatest strength wont necessarily get him a starting spot and why on earth would you want to have him on the bench if a better attacking 10 is kicking well too?
10 Apr 2012, 09:47 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-6:
Garf is standing in line waiting to buy airtime as we speak.
10 Apr 2012, 09:49 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-7:
And if the forwards struggle? Then he doesnt really feature in the game and without a 9 to alleviate the pressure he becomes a liability, tactically and on defense… If the forwards fire so does he, but I suspect most quality 10s do if the forwards perform…
10 Apr 2012, 09:51 am
the words chutzpah and gravitas comes to mind….
10 Apr 2012, 09:53 am
@Jeez(Jeez)-10: I think that the young 10′s coming through is a fantastic thing. Not just Goosen but also Elton and Lambie.
But I’d still play Morne at this stage. Goosen and Jantjies need to be brought through the set-up but not rushed in yet.
That’s my opinion.
10 Apr 2012, 09:55 am
@Jeez(Jeez)-10:
that’s his point.
the bulls forwards struggled in the first half.
yet he kept them in the game.
10 Apr 2012, 09:56 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-12:
I agree, but they should be given some opportunities every now and then. Id say play Steyn for maximum a season and a half before giving the starting spot to the next best young 10….
10 Apr 2012, 09:58 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-13: Probably because the forwards lifted their game in the second half…
10 Apr 2012, 10:04 am
@Jeez(Jeez)-15:
????????
wtf.
I said he kept them in the game in the first half.
jeez.
10 Apr 2012, 10:07 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-13: Yes it’s almost as if they didn’t expect the ferocity that the Crusaders started off the game with. Morne kept them in touch, at Half time the score was closer than the game was.
Whatever Frans said to them in the half time break worked though because in the second half it was one way traffic for 30 minutes. The bulls did the same thing against the Stormers and it almost cost us.
@Jeez(Jeez)-14: For me test rugby is a place for the best. And for now, in my opinion, Morne is still the man.
For me a pretender to a position at National level has to be quite a bit better than the incumbent in order to unseat him. We’ll see how Morne does in June (if he’s chosen) but for now I believe the position is his to lose.
10 Apr 2012, 10:12 am
Well, Morne is sure not bad and has done some good things for SA. At his peak we defeated the British Lions and claimed a Tri-Nations.
But the game has moved on. The laws have tightened on the kick-chase approach, rendering it a bit less effective, and the best sides have found ways to counter it.
And while he obviously still remains a good place kicker, his challengers show a lot of promise in this area. (Goosen, Jantjes) And if Frans Steyn plays for example you don’t even need a 10 to take the long kicks, Lambie would do fine (or Grant
).
So I think for the good of SA rugby, it’s time to embrace someone with different strengths. My vote goes to Goosen and Lambie.
10 Apr 2012, 10:13 am
Lambie is hot on his heels.
10 Apr 2012, 10:20 am
Right now there is no real competition for that jersey the only way morne wont be the bok 10 is if he has a seriously disastrous superugby campaign or he gets injured.
I have to admire his ability to stay keep going and going and correct me if im wrong but can anyone recall him missing a game for the boks due to injury since he started in 2009?
he doesnt have the same game breaking and running abilities as the likes of Dan Carter , a young Andre Pretorius , Quade Cooper etc but he does the basics well and most times thats all you need
boks backline
(9 Hougaard)
10 Morne
11 Habana
12 Frans
13 JDV
14 JPP
15 Lambie
(20 S Pretorius – he has the goods)
21 Aplon
22 Butch
10 Apr 2012, 10:22 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-16: how did he do that exactly? it seemed like the bulls where losing in the first half… You can hardly say that Steyn kept them in the game…
10 Apr 2012, 10:22 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-7:
yip sb… mine too…
i’d start him against the poms with lambie covering from the bench…
goosen and jantjies to their chances later in the year…
10 Apr 2012, 10:23 am
@White Shark(Predawn)-19:
wow! those are some slow moving heels..however hot they may be…
10 Apr 2012, 10:24 am
i think morne is a brilliant player.
there was a comment that Morne can come unstuck as a flyhalf when his team are chasing the win. There is some truth to this but some of morne’s greatest victories have come as a flyhalf chasing the game….
british lions 2nd test…
crusaders 2010 and 2009 and 2012.
there have been plenty of examples of morne successfully chasing games down.
the reality is, is that no flyhalf can operate off of slow ruck ball or behind a pack getting beaten up.
for whatever reason dan carter is considered a genius but last saturday with all the frontfootball the crusaders had in the opening 30minutes their backs never looked like scoring. it took an 8 running a great angle off a ruck to score.And then when he can’t kick for toffee……
for my money Morne was the man by some distance last saturday.
In fact, I’d go as far as too say that Morne has become talismatic…when he plays well the team plays well.
10 Apr 2012, 10:24 am
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-23:
Does that mean Steyn is fast?
10 Apr 2012, 10:26 am
@Jeez(Jeez)-21:
baby steps.
what was the score at half time?
10 Apr 2012, 10:27 am
@White Shark(Predawn)-25:
dont you get it
10 Apr 2012, 10:28 am
@boktillzero(boktillzero)-20:
the truth, morne played 2008 -2011 without missing a game if memory serves me correctly.
probably the most overplayed player in the country.
10 Apr 2012, 10:32 am
Goosen will definitely get a call to attend the Bok trials. He’s about to hit the big time.
10 Apr 2012, 10:32 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-28:
Just hope he learns to tackle soonest.
10 Apr 2012, 10:34 am
Has Dagg recovered after he got his name made tottie by a prop? Moment of the weekend that. Would love to have heard the beer chats in the changeroom.
BTW has someone seen or heard from CAPECRUSADER or are they still busy trying to get him off the bridge?
10 Apr 2012, 10:38 am
@White Shark(Predawn)-30:
his tackling was fine last weekend, just ask Dan.
sure,he’s not destructive like Butch was but then, did Butch ever win a game on his own?
10 Apr 2012, 10:38 am
At the end of the day, Steyn will do very well in a bok team. If the best forward are picked and the combinations gel, the boks should be able to dominate most teams. Our locks are (bulls + stormers) bullying most teams, we have the best loose forwards (all sa franchises), the only area of concern is probably props… Imo.
Just hope we dont kick away too much ball. Its so frustrating when the forwards get the momentum going and Steyn kicks it and the wings fail to retain the ball…
10 Apr 2012, 10:56 am
Forget flyhalf!! How good is Etsebeth?? My player of the tournament so far!! Going to become a Springbok legend!!
10 Apr 2012, 10:56 am
@Jeez(Jeez)-33: True.
Which is why I don’t want FDP back.
Hougaard is the way to go IMO, with Vermaak no 2,
10 Apr 2012, 11:14 am
Must admit Morne did the business on saturday , he just couldnt miss and was the difference at the end of the game
10 Apr 2012, 11:16 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-35: I dont know if you saw the game on Sat, but Hougaard had one of the best defensive games i have seen in a while – he was everywhere , and stopped us from scoring at least 2 times – imo i think this boy is the real deal .
10 Apr 2012, 11:17 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-35:
Hopefully with a dominating pack of forwards, we’ll see who ever is at 10 spreading the ball wide when we have forward momentum. Sometimes tactics should take a back seat to playing the situation. Hopefully, with a decent backline coach the boks will be sharper and have the confidence to capitalize on attacking play, without kicking the ball away…I dont see Steyn helping to achieve this…
10 Apr 2012, 11:22 am
@Jeez(Jeez)-38: I think in the extreme most fly-halves will look good with lots of go forward ball, but in tests it tends to be a lot tighter than that, and in that circumstance i’m on the Morne Train.
10 Apr 2012, 11:28 am
Jeez – Nothing wrong with a bit of competition between M Steyn & Goosen.
Heyneke has to choose a decent backup to Morne Steyn, as Steyn is the incubunt BOK no10, and it is looking more and more likley to be Goosen.
10 Apr 2012, 11:40 am
Hi all.
Sorry – just haven’t got the time to be here.
Just want to mention… Stormers are looking great. imo. Keep it going!
Bulls lyk ok….. better than expected… hou so aan manne.
10 Apr 2012, 11:41 am
Cheers!
10 Apr 2012, 11:45 am
@wpjoulekkading(wpjoulekkading)-18: Please explain to me, technically why you think the game has moved on, to the extend that it does not favour the kick-chase game, which WP and the Bulls have made their own?
Sure, Goosen brings a different element to the game. Lambie will not make it. However, knowing what we know from HM, a strong kicking game will feature again in the Boks’ gameplan, and therefor Morne will always be a contender for the pivotal position.
10 Apr 2012, 11:56 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-39: “The defence by the Stormers was a lot better than any defence we’ve come up against this season,” Jamie Joseph said.
“They were very good at slowing down our attack. They did a hell of a job in stopping our flow. There were times when we thought we had them but they always held us out.
“The Stormers are a very good side. They’re very consistent in their performances and in the way they play. They play the percentages, they squeeze teams. They’ve been like that for a few years.
“We couldn’t break them and then they turned the pressure back on us, which is what good teams do.”
Captain Jamie Mackintosh echoed Joseph’s comments about the Stormers.
“They’re a very good defensive team. They defend differently. We like to tackle low and get our guys over the ball and try to contest it. They like to tackle you, hold you up and then drive you back.They are two contrasting styles and they do it very well.”
Joseph said he was satisfied with the first phase of the competition in which the Highlanders go into their bye week with five wins from seven matches.
“At the start of the season we would have taken five wins from seven games. The game against the Stormers was our 10th, including the three pre-season games. I want the players to get away from rugby for a week and have a physical and mental rest.”
10 Apr 2012, 12:00 pm
Citing commissioner Freek Burger was unable to find any evidence in the match footage to substantiate the claims. The Bulls, however, have opted to stand their ground, with High-Performance Manager Ian Schwartz insisting no apology is owed, or will be made.
“I just want to say that our players’ integrity is just as important to us, as the Crusaders’ players integrity is to them. I feel the players will not make unfounded accusations unless something has happened,” Schwartz told SuperSport.com in defending the decision not to issue an apology to the Crusaders.
10 Apr 2012, 12:06 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-45: It is fine Richie will be back for the play offs , then he will rip one of the Bulls heads clean off – then they can moan , b-it-ches
10 Apr 2012, 12:09 pm
@THE MAULER(THE MAULER)-34:
On Re union they show a ruck where the stormers have the ball and the highlanders are counter rucking .
i think Etsebeth is at front of the ruck and Jamie Mcintosh and the other highlander lock keep charging in trying to push him off the ball they do it about 3 or 4 times . if you look closely the lock punches/connects with a swinging arm on Etsebeth a couple of times and without missing a beat Etsebeth does a “bring it on” hand gesture as if to say is that the best you can do. Its the coolest thing ive seen all season – he’s got a future that kid
10 Apr 2012, 12:11 pm
@stew(stew)-46: Article By: Tony, Johnson
Tuesday, 10 April 2012 2.25 p.m.
Finally, during the Crusaders Bulls match the Bulls twice made allegations of eye gouging.
These have not only proved to be unsubstantiated, there is now a growing feeling that they were fabricated.
Referee Jaco Peyper was acting in accordance with SANZAR procedure by issuing a white card, but it is significant that there was no follow up complaint by the home team after the game, and now the citing commissioner has, after close scrutiny of all available footage, decided that there is no case to answer.
This is the second time, after Waratah Tom Carters allegation of gouging against Adam Byrnes that such a damaging claim against a fellow player has been made and proved to have little foundation.
Todd Blackadder wants an apology and should get one, but more to the point, SANZAR has reacted in typically feeble style, when it should be issuing code of conduct sanctions against players who make these allegations in order to gain advantage during a game, and besmirch the reputation of others.
10 Apr 2012, 12:13 pm
@stew(stew)-46:
yup.
he’ll probably drop a knee on them.
he’s good at that.
leave the eye-gouging to the rest of the crusaders pack.
10 Apr 2012, 12:16 pm
@Blue Label(Blue Label)-43: I will, technically, explain to you why.
After the Lions tour and our Tri-nations victories, the IRB and the refs revised some rules. To be more exact, they didn’t revise the rules, but they asked the refs to focus more on certain parts. This is not made up by me, it was quite public at the time.
The number one rule they focus that the attacking players in front of the kicker, HAS to retreat until onside. Also the 10 meter rule is more tightly enforced.
Also the breakdown rules have made it possible to hold on to the ball, so kicking away the ball not always so smart.
Clearly the kick chase is till worth something. It just can’t be plan A and B anymore. Even HM has said the game has moved on.
10 Apr 2012, 12:16 pm
@stew(stew)-46: Richie can hardly rip a fa rt.
10 Apr 2012, 12:21 pm
There is a growing feeling that they were fabricated?
Growing where?
Old Tony is a craven little ****.
10 Apr 2012, 12:26 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-52: Exactly. We farked them up good and solid and scoreboard flatters them.
Why would we fabricate these alligations right after we nailed them big time. Bunch of nagging housewives. As for their kingpin Carter. He proved how big a doos he really is with his attempted obstruction and they had the nerve to throw hands in the air when they got penalised
Hulle moerre man!!
10 Apr 2012, 12:38 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-53: What is the link to that article? Id like to read those kiwi comments…
10 Apr 2012, 12:39 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-52: Sounding very guilty there mr G
10 Apr 2012, 12:40 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-53:
Indeed.
and as for that poesbeker Guildford.
I predict a PK in his near future.
the bulls were tactically naive in the last 10 minutes and it nearly cost them.
should have kicked that penalty into touch and set up the maul.
Instead we went for posts and gave them a sniff.
10 Apr 2012, 12:40 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-53: Did you watch the same game or did the brandies get to you by half time .
The crusaders lost this game
10 Apr 2012, 12:41 pm
some interesting and funny stuff from paul cully on the smh site…
Five things we learned in Super Rugby
1. The Stormers are Test-like in their quality. This is no guarantee that they’ll win the competition come August – on current evidence they’ll lose half their side to Springboks duty in June – but you can only applaud what they are now. And they’ve done it by throwing numbers into the tackle, not the breakdown. It’s a tweak on what Ireland did to Australia at the World Cup, but instead of holding up the ball-carriers, the Stormers’ gang-tacklers are driving them back.
2. Sanzar’s ‘non neutral’ officials system took another blow: One of the benefits of being outside the reach of Sanzar’s judicial arm (at least we hope we are) is that we can articulate things that players and coaches might conceivably be thinking but are afraid to say. Put simply, the system of appointing ‘home’ officials in Super Rugby is perceived by some to have lost credibility. The Sharks and Crusaders were well within their rights to feel very aggrieved at some of the decisions they received on their travels. Significantly, not one official in any of the four Heineken Cup quarter-finals at the weekend came from the same country as the home team. If it’s good enough for Europe . . .
3. The Reds kick more than the Bulls – and not just a little bit either. The Reds kicked 46 times against the Brumbies, the Bulls on 21 occasions against the Crusaders. But let’s be generous and point to their injury crisis at No.10, which is killing Will Genia’s game, and congratulate them on attracting 31,000 to the game on Friday. It’s a mighty feat considering the spectacle.
4. Gareth Delve and Mark Gerrard’s departures would leave a huge hole. Both might be lost to the Rebels next year, to Europe and Japan if reports are correct. Both have been immense contributors to the Rebels’ first two seasons. We’d like to see where Gerrard – one of the few Australian backs to have a kicking game – sits on the ARU’s most valued list and nudge him up a few places.
5. It was a very bad round for Australian tight-heads. Rodney Blake was horribly exposed by Tony Woodcock at scrum time, Laurie Weeks picked up an injury, James Slipper was pressured by Ben Alexander, Salesi Ma’afu found Sona Taumalolo a hot handful and Dan Palmer started a stoush with Ben Daley of such suspect pugilistic merit that both might be getting a call from Sonny Bill Williams’ management.
10 Apr 2012, 12:54 pm
@stew(stew)-55: Bulls refuse to apologise for eye-gouging claims
Sapa | 10 April, 2012 09:330 Comments
The Bulls will not apologise to Todd Blackadder, as the Crusaders coach had demanded, following claims of eye-gouging during their weekend match.
South Africa, New Zealand and Australia Rugby’s (Sanzar) judicial system found no evidence to back up claims by the Bulls that Crusaders players had eye-gouged them.
Bulls forwards Chiliboy Ralepelle and Flip van der Merwe had complained to referee Jaco Peyper during their 32-30 victory over the Crusaders at Loftus on Saturday. Peyper issued a white card and put the two alleged incidents on a report for a citing commissioner to review.
“The Bulls are not interested in getting into a public spat with the Crusaders as we have always had the greatest respect for them and a very cordial relationship,” Bulls high-performance manager, Ian Schwartz, said in a statement on Monday.
Blackadder had told a post-match media briefing that he expected an apology from the Bulls — a statement he repeated to the New Zealand media — should the allegations be proved false.
According to the Bulls, Sanzar found no evidence in the video material, after a full review by citing commissioner Freek Burger. Consequently no further action would be taken.
“The citing commissioner has reviewed it and after that review there was nothing in the video footage that would point to the allegation being substantiated,” Sanzar chief executive Greg Peters said.
The Pretoria-based side, however, said they would stand their ground on claims made by the players.
“The rules are clear and we applied them 100 percent correctly,” said Schwartz.
“We had the right to raise the matter with the referee and we accept the fact that there was no video evidence.”
Schwartz said the Bulls’ players’ integrity was above reproach.
“I just want to say that our players’ integrity is just as important to us as the Crusaders’ players integrity is to them. I feel the players will not make unfounded accusations unless something has happened.”
The Bulls made it clear they would not apologise to the Crusaders.
“For them to suggest we must now apologise just because there is no video evidence available would mean that we have lied,” Schwartz said.
“It is ridiculous to suggest that every time there is a citing and there is not enough evidence, the other team should apologise.
“It is a pity they have raised the matter through the media, as our doors of communication with them have always been open for a direct approach.
“We would have followed the official and appropriate channels.”
10 Apr 2012, 12:55 pm
Morne will be the starting 10 vs England. He is a Bull and Heyneke knows him so you can’t blame him for going with a player he knows and quite rightly trusts. He’s a safe pair of hands for now but will be pushed very hard by the youngsters when they are given opportunities.
Some interesting Super 15 stats – Goosen is top points scorer, has kicked the most metres, has the most offloads this season and isn’t doing too badly in running metres: http://www.rugbystats.com.au/rugby/super15/player-stats.html -that makes for some interesting reading. For example Willem Alberts has missed the most tackles and Willie Le Roux has the most try assists (5) and 2nd most line breaks(5) to go with his 3 tries.
Morne is not able to offer a lot on attack unless his forwards are dominating. Goosen has already learnt to trouble defences when his forwards are not having it their way(as is often the case with the Cheetahs). As good as the Springbok pack is they will not always be able to dominate opposition 8s especially the other traditionally strong packs like NZ, England and France. The Boks need a player who can still create opportunities when the heavies aren’t on top and for that Goosen is already ahead of Morne – and will only get better. Goosen also has the kicking game to implement a Bulls/Springboks 2007 game plan if that’s the way Meyer wants to go. But at the same time he will be better equipped to create try scoring opportunities.
If the Boks do become a more expansive team (within reason). In Goosen, the 10 is there and a centre combination of Frans Steyn and Robert Ebersohn would release any back 3 that the Boks put on the pitch. Heyneke, please do not play “no pass” de Villiers and only pick Juan de Jong when he realises that there are other players on the pitch besides him(he has the skills but I think he’s caught hold-onto-the-ball-itis from Jean).
Before people have a go at my criticism of cape based players I am a Stormers supporter. But I like rugby to be more than just a crash, bish, bosh arm wrestle.
10 Apr 2012, 12:59 pm
@stew(stew)-55:
lolapalooza stewpot.
Tony has always been a snivelling bucket of piss.
he’s the kind of guy that would f.uck a person in the a.ss and not even have the godd.amn common courtesy to give him a reach-around.
with apologies to Sgt Hartman.
If a player says he’s been gouged why should you doubt him?
Or is a Crusaders player’s (or coach) word worth more than that of a Bulls player.
GTFOH.
10 Apr 2012, 13:10 pm
@The_Don(The_Don)-60: I agree with most of your sentiments, although I’m still very hesitant of Robert Ebersohn… I’d give him a go though just to see if he makes the step up. He’s been very good so far this season with Goosen there.
10 Apr 2012, 13:11 pm
@THE MAULER(THE MAULER)-34:
that eztebeth is the next frik du preez
10 Apr 2012, 13:18 pm
@seabiscuit(seabiscuit)-63: Very much so… will be a giant in rugby over the next decade
10 Apr 2012, 13:22 pm
@lepel(lepel)-62:
There’s only one we’ll find out.
I’d like to see de Jong given a go outside F Steyn as well. I think he’s being restricted by the Stormers game plan and has the skills pace and strength(for a relatively small guy) to be a good international 13
10 Apr 2012, 13:25 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-48: on what website did you read the tony johnson article?
10 Apr 2012, 13:40 pm
@Jeez(Jeez)-54: Saw the articles in the papers this morning and on the previous page.
@stew(stew)-57: I take it you’re saying the Saders were the better team on the park and they lost the game rather than the Bulls losing it?
Bud the Saders were nailing the breakdown point for about 30 min in the game and then their wheels came off. Other than that they were piss poor.
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-56: True, we have done this type of rubbish in the past as well. On Gillie. He is a little shitstirrer. Gaan nog hard gedonner word.
Wonder if someone had the urge to walk into Hatfield square di ck swinging in the wind……..
10 Apr 2012, 13:41 pm
The HG Refugee All Stars Team of the Week. (Brokebacks by Invitation only)
1. Greyling
2 Chilli
3 WP Nel
4 Etsebeth
5 Kruger
6 Brussouw
7 Potgieter
8 Van Der Walt
9 Hougaard
10 Steyn
11 Habana
12 Strauss
13 Ebersohn
14 Aplon
15 Pietersen
10 Apr 2012, 13:43 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE(KWAGGA ROBERTSE)-67: ….bulls winning it…..
10 Apr 2012, 13:44 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-68:
No Coenie….?
10 Apr 2012, 13:49 pm
@lepel(lepel)-64: His nose is already gigantic!!!
10 Apr 2012, 13:52 pm
@Jeez(Jeez)-70: Greyling dummying the Saders FB to score his try did the trick.
10 Apr 2012, 14:04 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-68: Speaking of refugees, I see your president is on his last legs.
Soon my son.
Soon you will be able to return to your homeland.
10 Apr 2012, 14:12 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-73: when-we
10 Apr 2012, 14:12 pm
Is this Heavens Game chap Syrian?
10 Apr 2012, 14:18 pm
@Special Agent Raj Manipedi(Raj Manipedi)-75: That’s actually very clever. Even for you.
10 Apr 2012, 14:18 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-74: Yeah, a new dawn and all that…..
10 Apr 2012, 14:22 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-77:
what’s wrong with the ‘old’ dawn…?
10 Apr 2012, 14:22 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-77:
oh yeah… that’s right… she deserted…
a new dawn is definitely called for…
10 Apr 2012, 14:23 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-76:
Thanking you my boy.
I am the best private **** in the whole of Delhi.
So it is good to be clever.
10 Apr 2012, 14:27 pm
@ufo(ufo)-78: @ufo(ufo)-79: She’s dead to me now (doing my best Jewish-Italian Drama Queen impersonation)
10 Apr 2012, 14:27 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-73: Zuma on his last legs?
Yeah, yet another “clever” knobber underestimating “uneducated” Jovial Jake.
Yet they come…
and they go…
Zuma any day over Plastic Zille…
Refugee All Star President.
10 Apr 2012, 14:31 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-82: Well then you deserve what you get up there in Gauteng.
10 Apr 2012, 14:34 pm
Boks are looking goooood
1. Greyling/Beast/Mujati
2 Bmark/Chilli/Strauss/ john smit haha
3 Coenie/Kitshoff
4 Etsebeth/Mostert/Rossouw
5 Kruger/Bekker/Elstadt
6 Brussouw/Flo/Kolisi
7 Coetzee/Burger/Smith/Deysel
8 Alberts/Johnson/Vermeulen/Spies
9 Hougaard/FDP/Pretorius/McLeod
10 Steyn/Goosen/Jantjies
11 Basson (best chaser around)/Mvovo/Van Rensburg
12 Steyn/JDV
13 JFourie/Dejongh/Sadie
14 JPP/Hasbeenana/Hougaard
15 Aplon/Lambie/Viljoen
For once I reckon we could pick at least 2 bok sides with equal strength..
My run on side
1 Beast
2 Chilli (Bis super sub)
3 Coenie
4 Etsebeth
5 Kruger
6 Brussouw
7 Burger (c)
8 Alberts vice versa (Johnson/Spies super sub)
9 FDP (vc or c)
10 Steyn/Goosen
11 Basson
12 Steyn
13 DeJong (JFourie super sub)
14 Hougaard
15 Aplon
10 Apr 2012, 14:34 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-82: Just don’t try and sneak your kids in at one of our schools.
10 Apr 2012, 14:36 pm
Scrap Smith and Smit
10 Apr 2012, 14:40 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-81:
hahaha…
10 Apr 2012, 14:41 pm
@Jeez(Jeez)-84:
1. Greyling/Beast/Mujati
2 Bmark/Chilli/Strauss/ john smit haha
3 Coenie/Kitshoff”
you are clearly clueless as to which players play which prop positions
10 Apr 2012, 14:46 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-85: the Brokebacks can just play for their own Republic of Hout Bay while the rest of the Refugees will be the Boks…
PS. There are better schools in KZN midlands. i.e. Where laaities don’t get taught to be brokebacks as in the Houtie Mountain Republic…
10 Apr 2012, 14:51 pm
BTW, I hereby christen the Stormers with an appropriate name suitable for a fledgling International Side…
The Hout Bay Brokebacks…
Or just the Bent Houties for short…
10 Apr 2012, 14:54 pm
@Jeez(Jeez)-84: Actually not a bad side your run on…
10 Apr 2012, 14:56 pm
i don’t get this infatuation with dejong.
i just don’t. he has some speed about him but that is about it. a hougaard sort of player but nowhere in the same league. no passing game, no X, no kick, nothing for me really.
ebersonn offers so much more if jaque doen’t come back….
10 Apr 2012, 14:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-88: Relax, I cut and pasted in a hurry…
10 Apr 2012, 15:04 pm
@Jeez(Jeez)-93: if you say so
10 Apr 2012, 15:16 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-52: He’s not very hopeful of getting it, but Todd Blackadder still wants an apology from the Bulls after their eye-gouging claims were tossed out.
With the allegations dismissed because the citing commissioner found the Crusaders had no case to answer after Sunday morning’s 30-32 loss in Pretoria, an angry Blackadder believes the South African team should show some integrity and admit they got it wrong.
However, he is not waiting for his phone to ring.
“There possibly won’t be one because that would mean [they admit] there is no substance to it,” Blackadder said. “To apologise you would then have to acknowledge that nothing happened – which it didn’t.
“It’s not so much about them apologising to me – it’s about the team. This is a bloody serious accusation.”
Forwards Chiliboy Ralepelle and Flip van der Merwe both complained to referee Jaco Peyper that they had been deliberately poked in the eyes in the minutes before and after the halftime bell. White cards were issued after both allegations.
The Crusaders immediately protested their innocence, stating the accusations threatened to besmirch their team’s reputation.
Now they believe the Bulls should admit there was no substance to their complaints.
“This is nothing to do with the loss. Let’s be really clear about that,” Blackadder added. “I would be feeling strongly about this win, lose or draw. It is all everyone is talking about now.
“Both allegations have been proven to be untrue. What do we do now, just carry on?”
At the post-match press conference Bulls skipper Pierre Spies refused to fire up despite his team-mates supposedly being subjected to gouging – one of the lowest acts in the game.
The reactions of Ralepelle and van der Merwe have also created some suspicion. Usually when players have had fingers poked in their eyes they are in a great deal of discomfort. Neither required medical attention nor reacted angrily.
Meanwhile, Blackadder is set to make few changes – if any – for Saturday night’s match against the unbeaten Stormers at AMI Stadium.
10 Apr 2012, 15:21 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-95:
todd is fast becoming a foot-in-mouth schmuck of note…
they haven’t proven to be untrue… they just didn’t find evidence to prove it…
big difference…
have you guys seen the new show… CSI: Christchurch…?
when they can’t prove whodunnit they declare no murder has taken place…
and the dead body must apologise for being a victim…
10 Apr 2012, 15:23 pm
This guy is a bigger dumbass than HG.
The allegation have not been proven to be false.
They just were not supported by video evidence, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
And based on the fact that 2 separate Bulls players insist that it did happen, there is more than just a hint of suspicion here.
10 Apr 2012, 15:26 pm
Please man.
Flips eye looked like a tart’s **** on a saturday night.
The allegations have not been proven to be untrue.
There has been insufficient evidence.
Blackadder can fist himself.
10 Apr 2012, 15:31 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-95:
So what is he planning on doing next? Really hope the Stormers arent to tired to stuff them up. If he was a SA coach, he would have been accused of whining! Chilli complained right after he stood up from a ruck. And just because they avoided getting injured doesnt mean it didnt happen. Obviously youre not going to allow a guys fingers in your eyes for more than a second!
10 Apr 2012, 15:40 pm
tottie block-odder should be cited for bringing sanzar into disrepute…
the whole whitecard system was introduced so that the ref could ask the commissioner to review certain aspects of the game where foul play MIGHT have occurred…
insisting that the players must apologise in the video evidence doesn’t uphold the allegations defeats the whole object of the exercise…
making sanzar look very stupid…
if todd had any integrity himself… he would be satisfied that nothing was proven and move on and let the rugby public make up their own minds…
methinks tottie doth protesteth too much…
why…?
sour grapes..? or trying to deflect from his own player’s foul play….? or both…?
or he’s just a schmuck…?
10 Apr 2012, 15:41 pm
@ufo(ufo)-96: in a court of law, doesn’t the absence of evidence pointing to wrongdoing absolve the accused?
#jusasking
10 Apr 2012, 15:44 pm
@92 – Hougaard has the best change of direction in SA at the moment. He must be doing some of the drills that NFL players do. I think he’s a better wing than a 9
10 Apr 2012, 15:49 pm
“If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?”
10 Apr 2012, 15:52 pm
@ufo(ufo)-100:
i think the perpetual losing’s getting to him.
its been a long time since the crusades have won anything.
10 Apr 2012, 15:53 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-101: The law does not proclaim the person innocent either, does it?
10 Apr 2012, 15:55 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-105:
#justexplaining.
10 Apr 2012, 15:57 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-104: Sorry your two titles and only two titles in the last 20 years of super rugby has us really worried ….. And last season even though they didnt win the final was one of my favourite seasons ever showed true grit !
10 Apr 2012, 15:59 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-101:
that’s exactly why i’m saying tottie should be happy with that and move on…
but it doesn’t mean a crime has not been committed… or that the victim is lying… which is what tottie is saying…
but i know in south africa we often confuse the two and castigate the victims and mollycoddle the perpetrators… so i understand your confusion here…
#justsaying
10 Apr 2012, 16:00 pm
@stew(stew)-107:
one title in six years is a lot of grit, stewie.
where are the crusaders we all knew..?..when will they come out to play..?…they once were warriors…
10 Apr 2012, 16:01 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-104:
sheesh… dare i suggest that bulls fans will actually support the stormers this weekend…?
10 Apr 2012, 16:02 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-105: hayi bo? how does the law prove one is NOT innocent?
10 Apr 2012, 16:06 pm
@ufo(ufo)-108: you assume “confusion” on my part when i am merely trying to take the debate to a conclusion…
would you say there was an element of “presumed guilty until found innocent in this case”?
10 Apr 2012, 16:06 pm
@ufo(ufo)-108:
holiha
did you see Zuma’s nephew in his pimp clothes shaking his a ss on the dancefloor despite being “too obese” to attend court?
he lloked like a marquis tent in a tornado.
#thievingcunts
10 Apr 2012, 16:13 pm
even a marquee
although he is zulu nobility.
10 Apr 2012, 16:18 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-112:
hehehe…
apologies… your question of how the law works implied confusion….
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-113:
molo
no, didn’t see that… but nothing surprises any more…
contempt of court… and law… seems to be a common thread weaving its insidious way through the fabric of the ruling party…
10 Apr 2012, 16:19 pm
Farkenell, now the Keo “Captains” of Industry are lawmen too…
Farken fibbing twats…
On the other hand suppose telling porkies makes for good Lawerly ability…
10 Apr 2012, 16:21 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-111: It means not legally accountable, not innocent. The legal requirement of “Beyond a reasonable doubt” is deliberately phrased to err on the side of giving the benefot of the doubt to the defendant.
The use of “reasonable doubt” as a standard requirement in the western justice system originated in medieval England. In English common law prior to the “reasonable doubt” standard, passing judgment in criminal trials had severe religious repercussions for jurors. According to Christian law prior to the 1780s: “the Juryman who finds any other person guilty, is liable to the Vengeance of God upon his Family and Trade, Body and Soul, in this world and that to come.”It was also believed “In every case of doubt, where one’s salvation is in peril, one must always take the safer way…. A judge who is in doubt must refuse to judge.” It was in reaction to these “religious fears” that “reasonable doubt” was introduced in the late 17th century to English common law, thereby allowing jurors to more easily convict. Therefore the original use of the “reasonable doubt” standard was opposite to its modern use of limiting a juror’s ability to convict.
Rather let 100 guilty men go free than convict an innocent man. That’s the principle.
Besides, you are not innocent until proven guilty, you are innocent until you commit an act of wrongdoing.
#seewherei’mgoingwiththis
10 Apr 2012, 16:22 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-113: are you acquainted with wendy applebaum…socially that is?
i’m enjoying her taking on that levitt character..been following the story intently
they asked her if she still wanted to buy the Quoin Rock farm and she replied “i don’t know, it has got a bad smell to it now”
loved it
10 Apr 2012, 16:22 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-114:
the only marquis i’ve ever heard of is de sade… and reckon he would be very impressed with the ruling part’s disregard for ruling or rules…
10 Apr 2012, 16:23 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-116: Actually this Captain of Industry has a Law Degree.
From a decent University.
In the Cape.
10 Apr 2012, 16:25 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-116:
how’re those wound-up-n-twisted ballas…?
must be looking like ripe ticks on a buffalo’s bum round about now…
careful now…
don’t wanna burst them…
10 Apr 2012, 16:26 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-118:
hahah I don’t know her.
new money.
I’m loving seeing Levitt taking kak.
Apparently he has been hiding in the states.
WPTID has been frantically busy deleting his emails.
10 Apr 2012, 16:28 pm
poor HG just wants somebody to fight with him.
anybody.
he is like a rabid pitbull who has been poked in the balls with a knitting needle.
@ufo(ufo)-119:
10 Apr 2012, 16:28 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-118:
super wine tasting dungeon at quoin rock…
very camelot…
great for functions…
10 Apr 2012, 16:29 pm
@ufo(ufo)-110:
ja, i love it when the crusaders arses and opposing teams’ fists come together.
cant stand low cheats.
10 Apr 2012, 16:30 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-120:
hehehe…
love it
#putthatinyourpipeandsmokeit…!!
10 Apr 2012, 16:31 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-117: jeepuz
so the crusaders, in the absence of evidence to disprove the bulls’ claims will forever be publicly viewed as “accused eye-gougers”?
10 Apr 2012, 16:31 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-123: @Transformation(Transformation)-118: @ufo(ufo)-124: For certain business reasons I’m on their mailing list for properties and auctions etc,
I received an email from one of the top guys there informing me that he would now only be contactable on his private email addy.
I had to have a little chuckle……
Rael has stepped down as Chairman too.
10 Apr 2012, 16:31 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-118:
that levitt auctions’ stuff like the crusaders play…. dirty, just dirty…
10 Apr 2012, 16:33 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-125:
cool…
let’s hope we can emulate the bulls and give them a jolly good rogering too…
10 Apr 2012, 16:33 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-122: he was apparently in israel first, now states
can’t wait for him to come back tl tl tl
10 Apr 2012, 16:34 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-128:
certain business reasons…? mmmm…?
okay won’t push it…!!
10 Apr 2012, 16:34 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-120: You mean an overrated University from the Cape… But okay, Noddy badge for you, big boy.
10 Apr 2012, 16:35 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-120:
HG has one too.
From the University of South Western Free State.
10 Apr 2012, 16:36 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-127: No it will obviously die down. We all know they cheat, the only one’s who weren’t aware of it seems to be the Crusaders themselves.
It could get worse.
Imagine a situation that befell a certain SA minister who was accused of rape by a colleague on a trip overseas.
He was questioned my police and it all came out publicly.
The lass then withdrew the charges, leaving him without an opportunity to actually have his day in court.
But the stigma remains.
#sucksbigtimebutmaybeluckytogetawaywithit.
10 Apr 2012, 16:37 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-127:
so chili and flip… “in the absence of evidence to disprove the bulls’ claims will forever be publicly viewed as” liars…?
really… tottie must just move on now…
10 Apr 2012, 16:37 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-131:
neither can the NPA.
They just want to talk.
10 Apr 2012, 16:38 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-134: Correspondence?
10 Apr 2012, 16:39 pm
gents…
a good evening to you all…
been good fun…
outta here…
10 Apr 2012, 16:40 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-137: I’m sure Previn has a special team locked up in a room pouring over his and Smith’s Tax records as we speak….
#Assetauditscanactuallybetheendoftheworld.
10 Apr 2012, 16:41 pm
@ufo(ufo)-121: Ballas talk from a brokeback… you flirting with me?
Oh Daaahling
10 Apr 2012, 16:44 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-138:
Interweb.
He buys all his degrees there.
When people ask he says he got them “in the states”
As for the Crusaders
I will be shouting for the stormers to tear the dirty fuckers a new poephol this weekend.
Whilst drinking heavily to mask the shame,
10 Apr 2012, 16:44 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-134: Nope. No fibbing diploma in my pieces of paper collection…
10 Apr 2012, 16:45 pm
Off to try and do some cheating today – been a slow day !
10 Apr 2012, 16:45 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-137:
after standing down as chairman (as per SB’s claim) he will have a lot of time to chat.
new money you say? hhmm
10 Apr 2012, 16:47 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-143: Damelin correspondence course in Peee Ahr oh doesn’t count.
10 Apr 2012, 16:48 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-142: Wrong again… None from “the States” but one from Mud Island….
And no Matie-esque Oxford Brookes or Ikey-esque Cranfield near my little collection either…
10 Apr 2012, 16:49 pm
Bulls v Crusaders replaced the blues v crusaders and brumbies v crusaders as the top fixture in SR. Now look what the bulls have done. Destroyed the relationship.
Sanzar please bring back S12. Every team plays every other team each season.
10 Apr 2012, 16:49 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-145: Correction, he was CEO, but he has stepped down.
The news is carrying a story saying that an arrest warrant is expected to be issued shortly.
Papa wag vir jou.
10 Apr 2012, 16:50 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-146: Definitely… Toilet Paper for me… But probably as good as a Matie or Ikey Degree no doubt if you really think about it…
10 Apr 2012, 16:51 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-147: Well then Noddy badge right back at you.
10 Apr 2012, 16:52 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-145:
he’s been making sure his cash is well hidden before pravin pulls on the rubber glove.
#thisisgoingtohurt
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-146:
#corporalofindustry
10 Apr 2012, 16:53 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-149: eina!
10 Apr 2012, 16:55 pm
Anyway, enough of this tomfoolery.
Off to do something else.
#mineisbiggerthanyours
10 Apr 2012, 16:57 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-150: this should make you happy, Aussie Steve loves the sharks and hates the kiwis that booted him
Match No .49: Blues v Sharks
Date Friday 13 April
Venue : Auckland
Kick Off local: 19:35
Referee: Steve Walsh
Assistant Ref 1: Jonathon White
Assistant Ref 2: Nick Briant
TMO:Bryce Lawrence
10 Apr 2012, 16:57 pm
Before I go, this on News 24 from Brendan Nel:
Johannesburg – The eye-gouging claims that overshadowed the Bulls’ win over the Crusaders on the weekend will fade into the darkness, but will leave some bad blood between the two former Super Rugby champion teams if they happen to meet again later in the competition.
The Crusaders may have escaped censure by the SANZAR disciplinary appeal, but despite reports to the contrary, have not been cleared of the claims made during last Saturday’s game.
The matter has been let go simply because there is no evidence to substantiate the claim, SANZAR chief executive Greg Peters told 3News in New Zealand.
“It doesn’t mean they are cleared, it simply means that there is no video evidence to substantiate the claim,” Peters told the television stadium, adding that the governing body would not be looking at any further steps against either team.
The controversy angered the Crusaders and the Bulls replied on Monday they would not submit to a demand for an apology, standing by their claims that the incidents happened.
But where the Bulls fell flat, SANZAR has now asked teams to add a second report after a match, something which was not done by the Bulls at the time. Therefore, there was no other evidence to consider other than the video footage of the match, which offered no help to substantiate the claims.
Peters said this would now become a requirement for any white card action.
“We’ll be telling the teams today that there will be an expectation from SANZAR that if they make a referral on field, they follow it up after the match,” Peters said.
The SANZAR ceo added that in future, any false claims would fall under bringing the game into disrepute, and punished accordingly.
“We would look at teams who are making vexatious complaints, or if we found it to be the case. We may take action under our code of conduct for bringing the game into disrepute.”
10 Apr 2012, 16:59 pm
Auction alliance might become the new fidentia
10 Apr 2012, 17:01 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-156:
why is the little arsebandiet talk about vexatious clames?
all of a sardine.
10 Apr 2012, 17:03 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-151: Thank you… Like a good fighter knowing that there is always someone out there who could knock him down, you should know that there may always be someone with a bit more smarts… or knowledge
10 Apr 2012, 17:03 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-158: Yes I noticed that.
Subtle threat there……
10 Apr 2012, 17:05 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-155: That I am happy about. Steve Walsh is funnily enough one of the better refs in Super Rugby at the moment.
10 Apr 2012, 17:06 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-159: Absolutely.
Mockery aside, we don’t know each other, so for all i know you could be one of them.
I’m not convinced based on the evidence I’ve seen
10 Apr 2012, 17:09 pm
First two Tests at Sea Level vs the Poms will do the shovel trick for MS
10 Apr 2012, 17:10 pm
Stormersboy.
#andsleep
10 Apr 2012, 17:10 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-156: Aha, you see, Toddy has set the wheels in motion!
you don’t mess with Cantabs, now “vexatious claims” will be dealt with under “bringing the game into disrepute” – does this mean Peters inherently believes the Bulls were talking kak but because they didn’t follow up with a report it doesn’t constitute disrepute?
10 Apr 2012, 17:12 pm
gym calls (no peter davies)
10 Apr 2012, 17:13 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-162: I never was convinced… And no “Declaration”s of Innocence will be good enough either.
Declaration… not Proclamation… see? You might find that a declaration of innocence is a very lawerly thing, yeah?
Yeah, yeah… I know its semantics… But that’s normally important to fools who profess they are lawmen… Yet I do understand the semantics difficulty if that vaunted Law diploma you claim to possess came from Mabhunu College down in Stellenbosch….
They don’t speaka the Eenleesh to well down there, hey?
10 Apr 2012, 17:14 pm
SANZAR says Saders were NOT cleared. Take note Keo journalists and Kiwis alike.
supersport.com /rugby/super-rugby/news/120410/Crusaders_werent_cleared_Sanzar
10 Apr 2012, 17:14 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-167: Forgot the smiley. Here we go….
10 Apr 2012, 17:26 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-167: “mabhunu college”
10 Apr 2012, 18:43 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-167: I understand the legal difference, however subtle.
In this instance the use of the word proclaim is specifically used to refer to a public announcing of someone’s innocence if they are found not guilty. I’m talking more reputation-ally in this instance. Refer to my post further down where the rape allegations were withdrawn and the stigma still remains.
Just like the Crusaders have not been proclaimed innocent.
So I’m comfortable with the context here.
But hey, Mea Culpa if you disagree. I’m not that bothered either way.
10 Apr 2012, 18:48 pm
Would be my core 30 Man squad to begin Meyers reign as Bok coach if I was him…
15. Jaco Taute / Riaan Viljoen.
14. Francois Hougaard / Gio Aplon.
13. Jacque Fourie / J.P. Pieterson.
12. Francois Steyn / Jean De Villiers.
11. Bryan Habana / Bjorn Basson.
10. Morne Steyn / Johan Goosen.
9. Fourie Du Preez / Ruan Pienaar.
8. Pierre Spies / Duane Vermuelen.
7. Schalk Burger (c) / Willem Alberts.
6. Heinrich Brussow / Francois Louw.
5. Andries Bekker / Juandre Kruger.
4. Jaco Etsebeth / Flip Van Der Merwe.
3. C.J. Van Der Linde / Jannie Du Plessis.
2. Bismark Du Plessis / Adriaan Strauss.
1. Gurthro Steenkamp / Coenie Oosthuizen.
10 Apr 2012, 22:07 pm
Sure, if we want an average player that kicks most of his goals but offers nothing else, why not put Morne in the team. Goosen is the best 10 in SA, by far. He has already shown he can handle the pressure and presently dictates a game like no other 10 in the world. The Boks are in a position at the moment where we can select a destructive backilne that can rip teams apart. Add that to the potential of our pack and we could be unbeatable within the next year.
1st choice backline:
9. Sarel
10. Goosen
11. Le Roux
12. Steyn
13. Fourie
14. Hougaard
15. Joe
10 Apr 2012, 22:41 pm
Michael – I don’t know what greg peters’ problem is. Is he insinuating that gouging did take place. I’d like a clarification. Alternatively my team should confront him. He’s the same guy who wants an american team in SR isn’t it. The conference sham isn’t enough.
10 Apr 2012, 23:03 pm
@viewer(viewer)-174: No clarification is needed, imo. He won’t call the Bulls players liars but there is no video evidence and so the allegations are unsubstantiated.
10 Apr 2012, 23:20 pm
@viewer(viewer)-174: ag stop being so precious about the eye gouging crusaders man.
are you a crusaders player?
if not then dont take their thuggish burden on your back ok?
10 Apr 2012, 23:45 pm
@garth(garth)-173: garth – isnt sarel a bit suspect on defence? i think that hougaard is a much better all round player. good backline. i still have faith in morne and would love to see him take goosen and lambie under his wing and mentor them and hopefully pass on his kicking game.
ShaunSwindon – not a fan of Ruan Pienaar and prefer hougaard as a halve
8. Pierre Spies? while he’s having a great season so far i think this form not class.
cant wait to see the boks lineup. hoping meyer can leave his prvincialism baggage at the door and embrace all the SA teams in his line up
11 Apr 2012, 01:34 am
@man1a(man1a)-177: Meyer will pick players on merit as far as the powers that be allows it.
For England and Super Series I think he will be conservative. Don’t expect to see many changes from the WC team, except for players that are not available anymore. The year-end tour will be when he start building his team for the rest of his reign.
His team could look like this:
Greyling (if Beast is still injured)
Bismark
Jannie
Etzebeth
Bekker
Brussow
Burger (if fit, otherwise Alberts)
Spies
du Preez (if available, otherwise Hougaard)
M. Steyn
Habana
de Villiers/F. Steyn
Fourie (if available, otherwise Olivier)
JP
Aplon
Chilliboy
Oosthuizen
Rossouw (if available, otherwise Kruger)
Alberts/ Vermeulen
Hougaard/ Duvenhage or Vermaak
Goosen/Lambie
Steyn/de Villiers
11 Apr 2012, 03:01 am
@garth(garth)-173:
“unbeatable” thats the spirit
11 Apr 2012, 03:07 am
@Kleuter(Kleuter)-178: Kleuter, and the key here is your statement “as far as the powers that be allows it”
yeah i agree that we wont see many bolters in the boks and AB’s for the midYear tests. Shame though as its a great opportunity to blood some players.
like your line up except for spies.
dont know Etzebeth but wouldnt you start Rossouw?
burger would be my captain.
alberts i like as an impact player.
still not sold on bismark but not really anyone else deserves as much a start as he does.
fSteyn would get in ahead of DV
11 Apr 2012, 03:19 am
@man1a(man1a)-180:
9 & 10 will be your problem same old same old kick and hope garbage
11 Apr 2012, 04:21 am
@greentea(greentea)-181: greenT – i hoping against hpe its not the “same old same old kick and hope garbage”
i’m a kiwi but i love the way the boks used to play. they need to get with a new game plan and start injecting some moves for the backs. brutal big strong forward play then unleashing some back moves
in the last 5 years not once have i seen the boks have a set move for getting the ball to habana (or the other wing). i thought that maybe habana was past it but this season shows he’s still got it. so in my eyes the boks have been squandering their backs for the past 4-5 seasons.
this mentality has to go. boks on offence are only using 8-9 players vs 15 opposition defence. they’re simply out numbered
11 Apr 2012, 05:03 am
@man1a(man1a)-182: So true, if players like Habana got the ball more often, then they would be much more inclined to play what is in front of them properly. Over the last few years, its been such a rarity for him to get the ball, that he tries desperately hard to do something special, when it simply isn’t on and more often then not it doesn’t come off making him appear stupid and past it.
11 Apr 2012, 05:32 am
@man1a(man1a)-182: Good post. You would have done better with our team than the Clown. I cannot remember when last Habana had a decent attacking ball .you are spot on!
11 Apr 2012, 08:43 am
@Kleuter(Kleuter)-178:
Greyling over Coenie, that’s crazy talk.
Bismark – Agree
Jannie – Not sure about Jannie anymore. It’s time we get a better option at 3.
Etzebeth – Agree
Bekker – Agree
Brussow – Agree
Burger (if fit, otherwise Alberts) – Agree, but not convinced.
Spies – No chance, there are much better option than this moffie.
du Preez (if available, otherwise Hougaard) – FDP was a has been three years ago.
M. Steyn – Too limited.
Habana – No step, no place.
de Villiers/F. Steyn – Agree with Frans, Jean is also limited.
Fourie (if available, otherwise Olivier) – Olivier!!! That’s a funny one. Hahaha!
JP – Not over Hougaard (Hougaard is a better player with space, it’s also great having two players in the side that can interchange at 9)
Aplon (More of a fringe/bench player)
11 Apr 2012, 10:22 am
Riaan viljoen
Petersen
De villiers
Olivier
M Steyn
Houghaard/daai man van die warathas
Spies
Alberts/Kolisi
Brussow
Bekker
v d Merwe
Coenie oostheyzen
Strause
rooikop/aka tracer
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