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	<title>Comments on: Tahs pip Force</title>
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		<title>By: Todd W(Todd W)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102861</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W(Todd W)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only 1/2 on Superbru for me. Still doing better than the Keo guys, so I take some solace in that.

I had picked (with my reasons):

Sharks - Blues are too worried about off-field problems to focus

Force - Playing at home

Crusaders - Playing at home, Stormers probably tired after so many big games

Brumbies - Rebels are playing away from home and the Brumbies are the best of the Aussies at the moment

Cheetahs - As much as I want my boys (the Chiefs) to win, they don&#039;t do well in South Africa.

Bulls - Oh come on, Bulls against lowly Lions. I would have to be psychic to predict an upset here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only 1/2 on Superbru for me. Still doing better than the Keo guys, so I take some solace in that.</p>
<p>I had picked (with my reasons):</p>
<p>Sharks &#8211; Blues are too worried about off-field problems to focus</p>
<p>Force &#8211; Playing at home</p>
<p>Crusaders &#8211; Playing at home, Stormers probably tired after so many big games</p>
<p>Brumbies &#8211; Rebels are playing away from home and the Brumbies are the best of the Aussies at the moment</p>
<p>Cheetahs &#8211; As much as I want my boys (the Chiefs) to win, they don&#8217;t do well in South Africa.</p>
<p>Bulls &#8211; Oh come on, Bulls against lowly Lions. I would have to be psychic to predict an upset here.</p>
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		<title>By: fantasyrugbyscout(fantasyrugbyscout)</title>
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		<dc:creator>fantasyrugbyscout(fantasyrugbyscout)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My picks on my website 2 out of 2 so far. And I talked up Dennis the try scorer. Feeling mighty smug! I]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My picks on my website 2 out of 2 so far. And I talked up Dennis the try scorer. Feeling mighty smug! I</p>
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		<title>By: houston, we have a problem...(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102639</link>
		<dc:creator>houston, we have a problem...(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2102613&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;THE MAULER(THE MAULER)-21&lt;/a&gt;: 
2/2 for me so far :grin:

my picks from yesterday:
sharks
waratahs
stormers
brumbies
chiefs
bulls]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2102613" rel="nofollow">THE MAULER(THE MAULER)-21</a>:<br />
2/2 for me so far <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>my picks from yesterday:<br />
sharks<br />
waratahs<br />
stormers<br />
brumbies<br />
chiefs<br />
bulls</p>
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		<title>By: THE MAULER(THE MAULER)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102613</link>
		<dc:creator>THE MAULER(THE MAULER)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[0/2 for the Keo Sieners...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>0/2 for the Keo Sieners&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sasuke(Sasuke)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sasuke(Sasuke)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes well done Tahs. My Bru is now 2 from 2!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes well done Tahs. My Bru is now 2 from 2!</p>
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		<title>By: BrumbiesBoy(BrumbiesBoy)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102608</link>
		<dc:creator>BrumbiesBoy(BrumbiesBoy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2102574&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thesaint(thesaint)-8&lt;/a&gt;: Sorry mate, ain&#039;t gonna happen!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2102574" rel="nofollow">thesaint(thesaint)-8</a>: Sorry mate, ain&#8217;t gonna happen!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sasuke(Sasuke)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102605</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasuke(Sasuke)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarel show some Saffa magic!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarel show some Saffa magic!</p>
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		<title>By: Sasuke(Sasuke)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102602</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasuke(Sasuke)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Waratahs keep head now please!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waratahs keep head now please!</p>
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		<title>By: Sasuke(Sasuke)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sasuke(Sasuke)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes great stuff boys keep it together. Berrick rally your troops man!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes great stuff boys keep it together. Berrick rally your troops man!</p>
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		<title>By: Sasuke(Sasuke)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sasuke(Sasuke)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cmon Waratahs dont lose it now. You guys have to hit back now!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cmon Waratahs dont lose it now. You guys have to hit back now!</p>
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		<title>By: Sasuke(Sasuke)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102592</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasuke(Sasuke)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ohh Force getting close now. Waratahs come on watch your backs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohh Force getting close now. Waratahs come on watch your backs.</p>
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		<title>By: ufo(ufo)</title>
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		<dc:creator>ufo(ufo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[from rugby365

&lt;b&gt;SANZAR citing: Processes and timelines&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;i&gt;SANZAR, the controlling body for Super Rugby, has released a guide to provide clarity of the organisation&#039;s investigation of incidents of foul play and reporting timelines.

Citing process and Timelines:
1. Teams have four hours post match to request in writing for the Citing Commissioner to review an incident of foul play. 
2. The SANZAR Citing Commissioners have 12 hours post match to review any incidents from the match via broadcast footage and or additional angles of an incident if available. 
3. The Citing Commissioner may request additional information on an incident such as: 
* Written reports from the Match Referee and his Assistant Referees
* Written testimony from a player(s)
* Medical report from a team doctor
* Any additional angles the team may have of the incident that are not provided by the host broadcaster

The Citing Process following review of an incident has one of three outcomes: 
* No further Action
* Issue of &quot;Off-field&quot; Yellow Card
* Cite the player

In the first instance when a player has been cited or has received a Red Card the matter will be reviewed by the Duty Judicial Officer.

Should a matter be referred to a full Judicial Hearing the hearing will take place via video conference at a pre-determined time as set by SANZAR taking into account the time taken by the above process and travel schedules of the teams.

Please note following the issue of a White Card, the incident will be investigated by the Citing Commissioner using the above-mentioned process and timeline, and if no formal notification is released following 12 hours after the match, then the matter is to receive no further action and an update will be provided by SANZAR in the weekly Judicial Wrap posted on the website.

The following announcements will be made by SANZAR:
* Notification of a judicial hearing following a Red Card: Within 8 Hours post match.
* Notification of an &quot;Off-field&quot; Yellow Card: Within 12 Hours post match.
* Notification of a citing:  Within 12 Hours post match.
* Notification of a formal Judicial Hearing following a citing: As soon as practical.
* Notification of an Appeal: As soon as practical.
* Notification of a Misconduct Hearing: As soon as practical.&lt;/i&gt;

My question is this...

Didn&#039;t Greg Peters &lt;i&gt;et al&lt;/i&gt; explain that the white card was an innovation allowing the refs to &#039;flag&#039; inconclusively questionable play... which the JO&#039;s would follow up and review and decided what action should be taken? And the whole thing was to expedite the whole process timeously...? 

The whole impression created at the time was that the ref&#039;s and JOs would act independently and it would NOT be incumbent upon the teams to submit anything...? 

Now... far from making the system fairer... it seems that even more pressure has been applied to team managements... instead of the 12 or 24 (or whatever) hours of previous years... teams now have an extremely limited time of only four hours post-match to review all video footage and write a full report...?

This all while the players are celebrating a win or mourning a loss, have a quick post match debrief, showering, attending post-match interviews and functions...???

What the heck is wrong with SANAZR that they can&#039;t see that what was intended to simplify and streamline the judicial process has just made it more complicated and stressful than it was before... and more likely that teams will not meet such absurd deadlines...???

But perhaps that is the point... ?? It will be simpler and more streamlined for SANZAR if teams keep missing the deadline...

SANZAR really are a bunch of clueless morons...!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from rugby365</p>
<p><b>SANZAR citing: Processes and timelines</b></p>
<p><i>SANZAR, the controlling body for Super Rugby, has released a guide to provide clarity of the organisation&#8217;s investigation of incidents of foul play and reporting timelines.</p>
<p>Citing process and Timelines:<br />
1. Teams have four hours post match to request in writing for the Citing Commissioner to review an incident of foul play.<br />
2. The SANZAR Citing Commissioners have 12 hours post match to review any incidents from the match via broadcast footage and or additional angles of an incident if available.<br />
3. The Citing Commissioner may request additional information on an incident such as:<br />
* Written reports from the Match Referee and his Assistant Referees<br />
* Written testimony from a player(s)<br />
* Medical report from a team doctor<br />
* Any additional angles the team may have of the incident that are not provided by the host broadcaster</p>
<p>The Citing Process following review of an incident has one of three outcomes:<br />
* No further Action<br />
* Issue of &#8220;Off-field&#8221; Yellow Card<br />
* Cite the player</p>
<p>In the first instance when a player has been cited or has received a Red Card the matter will be reviewed by the Duty Judicial Officer.</p>
<p>Should a matter be referred to a full Judicial Hearing the hearing will take place via video conference at a pre-determined time as set by SANZAR taking into account the time taken by the above process and travel schedules of the teams.</p>
<p>Please note following the issue of a White Card, the incident will be investigated by the Citing Commissioner using the above-mentioned process and timeline, and if no formal notification is released following 12 hours after the match, then the matter is to receive no further action and an update will be provided by SANZAR in the weekly Judicial Wrap posted on the website.</p>
<p>The following announcements will be made by SANZAR:<br />
* Notification of a judicial hearing following a Red Card: Within 8 Hours post match.<br />
* Notification of an &#8220;Off-field&#8221; Yellow Card: Within 12 Hours post match.<br />
* Notification of a citing:  Within 12 Hours post match.<br />
* Notification of a formal Judicial Hearing following a citing: As soon as practical.<br />
* Notification of an Appeal: As soon as practical.<br />
* Notification of a Misconduct Hearing: As soon as practical.</i></p>
<p>My question is this&#8230;</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Greg Peters <i>et al</i> explain that the white card was an innovation allowing the refs to &#8216;flag&#8217; inconclusively questionable play&#8230; which the JO&#8217;s would follow up and review and decided what action should be taken? And the whole thing was to expedite the whole process timeously&#8230;? </p>
<p>The whole impression created at the time was that the ref&#8217;s and JOs would act independently and it would NOT be incumbent upon the teams to submit anything&#8230;? </p>
<p>Now&#8230; far from making the system fairer&#8230; it seems that even more pressure has been applied to team managements&#8230; instead of the 12 or 24 (or whatever) hours of previous years&#8230; teams now have an extremely limited time of only four hours post-match to review all video footage and write a full report&#8230;?</p>
<p>This all while the players are celebrating a win or mourning a loss, have a quick post match debrief, showering, attending post-match interviews and functions&#8230;???</p>
<p>What the heck is wrong with SANAZR that they can&#8217;t see that what was intended to simplify and streamline the judicial process has just made it more complicated and stressful than it was before&#8230; and more likely that teams will not meet such absurd deadlines&#8230;???</p>
<p>But perhaps that is the point&#8230; ?? It will be simpler and more streamlined for SANZAR if teams keep missing the deadline&#8230;</p>
<p>SANZAR really are a bunch of clueless morons&#8230;!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sasuke(Sasuke)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102586</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasuke(Sasuke)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oooo Force making a come back now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooo Force making a come back now.</p>
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		<title>By: Sasuke(Sasuke)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102581</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasuke(Sasuke)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes go tahs!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes go tahs!</p>
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		<title>By: Sasuke(Sasuke)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102580</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasuke(Sasuke)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes cmon on Waratahs! This is payback for what they did to you guys in Sydney.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes cmon on Waratahs! This is payback for what they did to you guys in Sydney.</p>
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		<title>By: stew(stew)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102575</link>
		<dc:creator>stew(stew)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like a cracker - cant wait to watch it later]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a cracker &#8211; cant wait to watch it later</p>
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		<title>By: thesaint(thesaint)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102574</link>
		<dc:creator>thesaint(thesaint)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[May Australia do the earth a favour and just sink...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May Australia do the earth a favour and just sink&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: thesaint(thesaint)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102572</link>
		<dc:creator>thesaint(thesaint)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, what a game, the skill, the pace, the absolute farking boredom!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a game, the skill, the pace, the absolute farking boredom!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: BrumbiesBoy(BrumbiesBoy)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102570</link>
		<dc:creator>BrumbiesBoy(BrumbiesBoy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hope they both lose!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope they both lose!!!</p>
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		<title>By: White Shark(Predawn)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/04/13/force-vs-waratahs-1340-ko/#comment-2102561</link>
		<dc:creator>White Shark(Predawn)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Come on Force.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Force.</p>
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