JdV crocked
17 Apr 2012
Stormers stand-in captain Jean de Villiers has injured ligaments in his hand and may be sidelined for two months.
The injury will rule the Stormers centre out for the rest of the Australasian tour, and may also preclude him from the Springboks’ three Tests against England in June.
The severity of the injury is yet to be determined, although the Stormers have confirmed that Danie Poolman has flown to Australia as a replacement.
The Stormers lost team captain Schalk Burger to a knee injury in round one, and De Villiers has led the team ever since. Andries Bekker, the vice captain, was sidelined this week with a back injury, and so news that De Villiers is unavailable means the Stormers will need to pick another captain for this week’s clash with the Reds.
Hooker Tiaan Liebenberg seems the strongest candidate, although Duane Vermeulen and Dewaldt Duvenage also form part of the Stormers’ leadership core.
Coach Allister Coetzee will also need to decide who to play at No 12 in De Villiers’ absence. Coetzee trialled Bryan Habana at No 13 in the pre-season and so he may opt to move Juan de Jongh to inside centre and bring Habana in off the wing. This would depend on Gio Aplon returning from injury to resume his place in the back three.
The other option is to start JP du Plessis at No 13 alongside De Jongh.
The Stormers team to play the Reds will be announced on Tuesday afternoon.
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17 Apr 2012, 11:13 am
@Bagel(Bagel)-90: Obviously I make reference to Kolisi and Eben as captains for the future.
17 Apr 2012, 11:13 am
@wpstormerbok(wpstormerbok)-95:
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-88:
I wonder whether Bryan won”t make a good stand in captain?
Most experienced player in the team, the youngsters respect him very much, very polite, good communication skills, speaks english.. etc.
17 Apr 2012, 11:17 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-102:
I wouldn’t find fault with that.
17 Apr 2012, 11:18 am
Robzim – Not a bad idea at all making Habs captian. Its great to see back to his old self
Not too sure why AC has no good backups for JDV etc for a Super rugby campaign!!! Has he not learnt anything yet?
17 Apr 2012, 11:19 am
Robzim – I still think AC should be on the phone to F Steyn to try and get him for tes rest of the S15.
17 Apr 2012, 11:20 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-99: No thanks to spies though. That stander guy on the other hand is the real deal.
17 Apr 2012, 11:24 am
This actually could be a blessing in disguise for the Stormers.
Mannetjies De Jong, the best 12 in the country (With F Steyn still outside) can move back into position from 13.
I just hope that this be the case and that he hasn’t had all of his attacking ability Donkeyfcked to Kingdom Come.
I am not so sure that the Breezer backline bosses in all their actual rugby “playing” and “attack” minded ethos will even think of doing this.
Maybe they are worried that JdJ will make the position his own again and endanger the ability of the Blonde ex-Munster “Superstar” to make it back into the team… Jobs for mates and all that.
17 Apr 2012, 11:24 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-98: They scored a try as a direct result of a missed Pierre tackle. Sometimes it’s not what you do but what you don’t do that matters most,
17 Apr 2012, 11:30 am
For me spies was an attacking monster just before he got that blood disease scare and been a complete let down since. Sort of like skinstad after he injured his knee.
17 Apr 2012, 11:32 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-94: goodness me what blasphemy? bernabeu, maracana compared to loftus? hehehe
you’re funny brigz
17 Apr 2012, 11:36 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-97: don’t be dof…cape town stadium is in cape town, nelson mandela bay stadium is in the nelson mandela bay metro.
17 Apr 2012, 11:39 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-104:
The next in line no 12 appears to be Marchel Brache- personally i do not think he is good enough for super rugby.
Frans is probably already tied up with the Sharks- tough luck for Whitehead who is potentially perhaps even a better no 12 than Frans (i still think Frans is a 15)
I think Du Jongh (12) and du Plessis (13) will be a good combination- lets just hope Alister do not stuff around and play people out of position.
17 Apr 2012, 11:48 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-112: No, Brache is not.
JDJ at 12 and JPDP at 13 will suffice.
17 Apr 2012, 11:51 am
@willievz(willievz)-113: That actually could be a pretty potent combo
JdJ and JPP…
Not lacking speed at all….
The wings will shitthemselves trying to keep up.
17 Apr 2012, 11:52 am
@willievz(willievz)-113: the little i have seen of jp du plessis, he seems to have excellent feet, decent acceleration off the mark but i’m not sure of his defence, passing ability & power.
17 Apr 2012, 12:00 pm
Depressing news.
Where’s Sadie , Whitehead and Jaque Fourie now ?
I knew that would come back to bite us at some stage.
Bekker , Schalk , Jean.
17 Apr 2012, 12:01 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-115: Defence – should be fine, he is fitting into one of the better defences in the competition and his role will be well defined.
Passing ability – agreed, but this is a concern with circa 80% of players in the country at current. The Stormers’ 13s do not throw longer passes too often, but he would be required to release short inside or outside passes off his shoulders for strike runners in support, or position himself in contact so the ball can be ripped from an upright position. Should be fine here.
Power – if he gets enough front foot ball to work from, momentum will partly reduce any shortcoming he might have here on offence. Defence will be fine – see above.
17 Apr 2012, 12:03 pm
Wont they slot Habana in at 13 with Vd Heever on wing?
17 Apr 2012, 12:05 pm
@willievz(willievz)-117: Our SA centres are limited in their passing game. Must say, Goosen’s got the stuff…
17 Apr 2012, 12:13 pm
@Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-119: Not only our centres, but the majority of our backline players seem to struggle at Super rugby with their passing accuracy. This is partly due to the increasing tempo of the game, it’s a step up from CC rugby – just ask the Lions. But also, it is because of an indecisiveness of what to do with the ball in hand.
All players at this level can pass a ball. But there is a difference between passing and distribution.
Passing accuracy has to do with distribution. Our players often do not know what to do with the ball when they receive it!!
17 Apr 2012, 12:16 pm
If only our centres could pass like our props can dummy and sidestep….
17 Apr 2012, 12:19 pm
@Bagel(Bagel)-90:
based on absolutely nothing but what i see on the field and how he conducts himself on it and on the sidelines..
i think nizaam carr could be a future captain of wp/stormers…
17 Apr 2012, 12:21 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-105: Good call,Steyn at 12 will give Stormers great go forward,also a great long distance kicking option.
17 Apr 2012, 12:26 pm
@Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-119: Goosens the most talented backline player we have had for years in fact I cant really remember any at the moment and I’m not talking size and speed we have had a few of those I’m talking ball skills. He has also proven how important a skillfull flyhalf is to a backline. To many times people think the springbok backline is rubbish but its all down to the flyhalf. Imagine what frans steyn and jaque fourie could do with goosen playing 10.
Saying that though we shouldn’t rush him, he should play currie cup and another season of super rugby.
17 Apr 2012, 12:27 pm
give Vermeulen or Duvenhage captaincy,., not Schalk.
17 Apr 2012, 12:31 pm
@willievz(willievz)-120: Jip, It also concerns me that you can easily pick up that the players arte so bound to the “plan” that they don’t play what they see. I am not advocating flying by the seat of your pants but at least common sense.
17 Apr 2012, 12:31 pm
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-124: No. Pick him now.
Schalk Burger won the IRB player of the season in his first year of test rugby, at age 21.
Frans Steyn won a WC at 19.
Goosen is in the same league talent wise and appears to be mentally very strong.
As I’ve said before, in SA we are too scared to Gaffie a guy too quickly, but the Gaffies are the exception.
17 Apr 2012, 12:34 pm
@Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-118:
Habana on the wing is the fulcrum of the Stormers’ defensive system, he will be wasted on 13.
17 Apr 2012, 12:35 pm
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-124: Totally agree. I’ve seen my share of rugby at all levels and his skill set is right up there. The key is his management, but he needs in on the SA structure early and we must not coach him to death. He is rare in the fact that he can play all forms of 10 play – look at the super 15 stats and the man is near the top on all the positives. Even giving SBW carrots on offloads.
17 Apr 2012, 12:35 pm
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-124:
Goosen belongs on the bench,to come on in the last 20-30mins when the game opens up,he should be exposed to international level soonest.The all blacks will have Tom Taylor as understudy to Carter,Goosen is by far the best no 10 coming through,blood him now,he is a natural.
17 Apr 2012, 12:36 pm
@willievz(willievz)-128: I agree, was expressing what I think they will-not what I think they should. he’s hitting form and will break his stride for sure.
17 Apr 2012, 12:36 pm
@willievz(willievz)-127: I laughed because I also want him to play now but I thought remeber what happened to gaffie. You right though if you the best you should play regardless of age.
17 Apr 2012, 12:38 pm
@skyewalker(skyewalker)-130: You got my vote
17 Apr 2012, 12:42 pm
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-132: There is always risk, but Frans Steyn is a case in the opposite. He seemed to improve as level got tougher. I have a feeling Goosen’s the same.
17 Apr 2012, 12:43 pm
Please just dont let the bulls buy him! They will destroy all his talent.
Being a wp man I would love him to move to province but to be honest he is in the best place now to develop his skills and play his natural game so I hope he stays with the cheetahs.
17 Apr 2012, 12:46 pm
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-135: They have already turned Morne Steyn into a up-and-under robot…and he used to be a running 10
17 Apr 2012, 12:50 pm
Goosen and Hougaard gotta start… NOT FdP and Steyn..
Meyer gonna fck up the Boks same way all the chickenarsed saffas have done since 1992.. He’s already starting on the wrong foot…
This penchant for useless ‘experience’ is the worst cowardly retrograde thinking I ever seen in the rugby world.. give ANY coach the depth and talents we have here and they turn this into a winning culture overnight.. except our coaches are so cowardly chicken of failure they run and duck and dive for cover behind their overrated hopeless has been hero’s..
17 Apr 2012, 13:05 pm
hougard, goosen, f steyn, j fourie, mvovo, habana, now thats a backline that got power, speed and skill. Forgot about lambie at 15 its perfect you got guys that can kick, run over defences, around defences and tackle the **** out of them.
I dont buy this meyer c r a p that we need vic and fdp to beat england.
17 Apr 2012, 13:22 pm
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-138:
Agree totally, it actually infuriates me that Meyer wants to bring back all these ex-Bulls boys like Matfield.
This year is supposed to be a fresh start, new coach, and we have so much talent performing so well at the moment, I dont think we’ve ever had such an abundance of talent. This whole thing where you need experience is b0ll0cks, we have enough experience without bringing has beens out of retirement and back from overseas.
Schalk won IRB Player of the Year at 21, look at Frans Steyn, look at Lambie, look at JDJ, look at Hougaard… these guys have looked at home from the first moment they put on the Bok jersey. And I feel the same will apply to guys like Eztebeth, Kruger, and Goosen. Why? Because they are good enough!!
So ffs, Meyer must back them, they’ll beat England comfortably. These are supposed to be exciting times, and I just pray Meyer doesnt f*ck it up with this conservative nonsense.
17 Apr 2012, 13:27 pm
I won’t be surprised if the Stormies buy Frans Steyn. Last year they
bought Schalk Brits for the Crusaders clash and paid the price.
It is unlikely that they will learn from their mistakes.
17 Apr 2012, 13:54 pm
that another thing that ac does or should I say rassie. Playing hookers as flanks. He played deon fourie at flank before bringing carr on what does that say to carr, you worse than a retreaded hooker.
17 Apr 2012, 14:03 pm
or pick deon as a flank and actually get a hooker that can scrum. I dont like these jack of all trades masters of none. A hooker must be able to scrum and through in at a lineout and be physical and if he can run like a center bonus not the other way around.
17 Apr 2012, 14:04 pm
@SteveWarren(SteveWarren)-142: through = throw
17 Apr 2012, 14:12 pm
Maybe Grant at 12, and Burton in at 10
17 Apr 2012, 14:13 pm
the Springboks had 756 000 000 caps last year, where did that get us. A wooden Spoon in the Tri-Nations and a QF exit at the WC. Experience should never come before ability or form.
On a lighter note.
Would like to see the Stormers play 10. Pietersen 11. Habana 12. Grant 13. JDJ 14. VD Heever and 15. Aplon
17 Apr 2012, 14:15 pm
Quota Burton @ 10 …… bye bye Super 15 Title!!
17 Apr 2012, 14:47 pm
JP du plessis is a 12 if Im not mistaken,saw him play 12 for Paarl Gym a couple yrs ago
But think he can play 13 as he is a very good runner has a FANTASTIC left foot step,Robbie-Fleck-ish..
Leave habs at wing
Play JPDP at 13.
Stormers still need a decent 10,Grant isnt the answer….Young Sias Eberson will never usurp Johan Goosen at Cheetahs…Would be a good fit for Stormers-kid can play and his boot would be a plus.Dont know how many times Garnt’s pop gun couldnt get Stormers out their half last week when Dagg was kicking absolute nonsense yet Grant couldnt get Stormers own half.Put em under pressure territorially.
17 Apr 2012, 14:51 pm
@scrumfan(scrumfan)-145:
Grant at 13? the bloke who is the SLOWEST in the entire back division? Nah mate….Outside centre is either for an out and out runner or intelligent playmaker which Grant is NONE
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