KeoTV: Boks to stick with experience

KeoTV: Boks to stick with experience

25 Apr 2012

MARK KEOHANE names the two youngsters who should be in the Bok squad to play England as well as the two overseas players who could solve Heyneke Meyer’s No 7 selection headache.



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  • 1.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:18 pm

    Talked sense up and till Joe/Cronje comment for 7.

    Willem Alberts, Deysel, Josh Strauss, Potgieter all options that can be considered. They are experienced Super Rugby players and introducing them with Brussow/Spies who are experienced test players should not be too tough.

    Some of them not in the greatest form but still a month to get that right.

  • 2.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:22 pm

    Joe van Niekerk,jacques Cronje….WTF?? Alberts,Elstadt,J.Potgieter,Marcel Coetzee,Ashley Johnson..would go with ANY of those before bringing back “Soth of France Joe & the human Massey Ferguson tractor Cronje. SA cupboard full when it comes to loose fwds,thats like askin NZ to bring Howlett,Rico Gear,Rokocoko etc ahead of Guilford,Hosea Gear,Ranger,Savea etc

    Stupid.

  • 3.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:29 pm

    And please lets stop this talk of Matfield,please.

    Etzebeth
    Elstadt
    J.Kruger
    Flip
    Bekker

    All capable.

  • 4.Horings: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:30 pm

    Youngsters I agree with. Guthro Steenkamp and possibly FdP are the only players from overseas.

    Another uncapped player will be Stander. He knows how to play under captain Spies hehehe.

  • 5.Dazzler: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:33 pm

    Does Keo know that is it Etzebeth and not ‘Ester-bet’ as he pronounces it?

  • 6.Dazzler: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:34 pm

    @Dazzler(Dazzler)-5:

    that IT IS, not is it… sorry

  • 7.stand-off: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:35 pm

    1. Oosthuizen
    2. Du Plessis
    3. Du Plessis
    4. Etsebeth
    5. Bekker
    6. Alberts
    7. Brussouw
    8. Spies

  • 8.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:38 pm

    Who the fck is Esther Beth?

    And what is a Janster?

  • 9.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:40 pm

    @Dazzler(Dazzler)-6: First take the plank out of your own eye, hey Dazzler. By the way, did you go to Rhodes University?

  • 10.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:42 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-8: I’m not sure who Esther Beth is, but I bet she makes a lekker melktert :lol:

  • 11.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:42 pm

    While I agree that Joe has been playing great rugby for Toulon, we’re far better off with Willem Alberts at 7. And I reckon Heyneke is with the katman on this.

  • 12.Horings: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:44 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-11: And we dont play test footy!

  • 13.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:46 pm

    @Horings(Horings)-12: Or rugga for that matter.

    Perhaps this injection of slang is a deliberate marketing ploy to make the game more attractive to youngsters.

    Sorry, Jansters.

  • 14.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:49 pm

    1.Beast,Coenie,Guthro,Greyling
    2.Bismark,Chilli,Strauss
    3.Jannie,Cilliers,Nel
    4.Etzebeth,Elstadt,Flip
    5.Bekker,J.Kruger,Steenkamp
    6.Brussow,Kolisi,Minnie
    7.Alberts,Deysel,Johnson
    8.Spies,Strauss,Stander

    9.Hougaard,Du Preez
    10.Goosen,Steyn,Jantjies
    11.Habana,Mvovo,Basson
    12.De Villiers,Frans Steyn,Whitehead
    13.De Jongh,JPP,Eberson
    14.Aplon,Le Roux,JPP
    15.Lambie,Pietersen,Taute

    `

  • 15.Horings: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:50 pm

    This marketing bullsh i t. The Bulls play in pink to expand their brand, but will your son support a team in pink?

  • 16.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:55 pm

    Maybe Meyer’s alleged plan to make Matfield his captain and Fourie his scrumhalf is also a stroke of marketing genius, intended to capture the imagination of the all-important elderly rock spider demographic :mrgreen:

  • 17.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 13:56 pm

    Also keo, one of your minions has just posted a piece on the baby bok squad, saying that Goosen’s inclusion means that he won’t feature against England. You guys need to talk to each other. I bet they all sit open plan and you have an office.

  • 18.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:00 pm

    Keo is probably “working” from home.

  • 19.Puma: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:04 pm

    Really don’t think Meyer will even think of bringing Joe back when we have enough good players right here.

    Sure Alberts had not played as well as last year, but the season is still young and he is a great player he will be back to his best soon. There is also Deysel and Potgieter.

    Talking about youngsters what about Marcell Coetzee? He has been outstanding this S15. Only 20 years old too, same age as Etzebeth and Goosen. We sure have some great young talent goming through in many positions. Cheetahs LH Oozthuizen is another youngster playing superb.

    Wish Sharks gave Jordaan a chance, think he by now would have shown just what a great talent he is too.

    For me the youngster that has impressed me the most is Etzebeth. Super talented.

    Now waiting to see Pieter Steph du Toit shine. He too is a great talent. Just needs to get some S15 game time.

  • 20.cane: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:05 pm

    Let’s not mince words here.
    Let’s not fck about with platitudes to those have contributed in another era,
    for this is the beginning of a NEW ERA.

    The age of Victor is gone.
    He was great, one of the greatest ever. And his contibution will never be forgotten.

    But this 2012.

    Heyneke……………………………………move on. Or the Wallabies and AB’s will crush you.

  • 21.mshiniwami: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:07 pm

    NZ

    1.Woodcock,Crockett,Whopper
    2.Hore,Mealamu,Coles
    3.O.Franks,B.Franks,Famuiana
    4.Hoeatta,Romano,Donnelly
    5.Whitelock,Rettalick,Boric
    6.Thompson,Messam,Lowrie
    7.McCaw,Latimer,Braid
    8.Read,Vito,Manu

    9.Ellis,Weepu,Kerr-Barlow
    10.Carter,Cruden,Barrett
    11.Jane,Ranger,Guilford
    12.SBW,Nonu,
    13.Smith,Kahui,Ellison
    14.Gear,Savea,Freaun
    15.Dagg,Smith,Toeava

    @Puma(Puma)-19:

    Dont forget Kolisi,Stander

  • 22.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:07 pm

    @Puma(Puma)-19: Jordaan came on as a sub a few times earlier in the season and looked really impressive. Whitehead has been impressive too though, and has more experience – which I guess is why they stuck with him. And, contrary to what Ryan Vrede wrote, I think JPP has been playing well too. I certainly would have given Jordaan more game time though.

  • 23.Kleuter: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:10 pm

    Good video Keo. Agree with you all the way.
    Hope all these youngsters on keo listened to what you said regarding bringing youngsters in slowly. The exact 2 I’ve said all along – Goosen and Etzebeth.

  • 24.Dazzler: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:13 pm

    @kaksioek(kaksioek)-9:

    Is that a serious question or some kind of dig?

    But no I didn’t, why?

  • 25.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:15 pm

    @Dazzler(Dazzler)-24: Serious question. A guy I know likes to call himself Dazzler and he went to Rhodes. So now I know you aren’t him.

  • 26.keo: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:18 pm

    @Kleuter(Kleuter)-23: Ah finally intelligent life out there. Thank you … thank you very much …

  • 27.Dazzler: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:19 pm

    Ahh ok no definitely not me. I actually picked up this nick up in England, you know the poms. And somehow it caught on here too, it’s not something I like to call myself, I just get called it unfortunately!

  • 28.keo: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:19 pm

    PissAnt excluded of course when I refer to the lack of intelligence that so often parades in the guise of passionate rugby supporter

  • 29.FFF: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:22 pm

    Jimmy Stonehouse or Brendan Venter for Sharks head coach
    Plum to be retained as FWD’s coach

  • 30.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:22 pm

    @keo(keo)-28: …and/or rugby scribe. Let’s not kid ourselves here.

  • 31.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:23 pm

    Ag Keo, it will be interesting to see what you have to say if an old Bok team gets whitewashed by a young England team.

  • 32.the artist formerly known as gunther: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:24 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-17:

    keo has a petite corner office.

    furnished by tinytots interiors.

    they have little filing cabinets and everything.

  • 33.Kleuter: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:25 pm

    @keo(keo)-26:
    You’re so very welcome.
    Don’t understand how some people think that one can simply select a whole new team consisting of mostly young talent, have a week to prepare the team for a test, and then still expect to win?
    As you said, youngsters should be introduced slowly.
    I’ve said it many times; 2 now, another 2 for 4-Nations, and then another 2 or 3 for the EOYT.
    Come the 4-Nations next year, HM will have a very well balanced side.

  • 34.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:27 pm

    @Dazzler(Dazzler)-27: I saw your explanation of the name on here before and that actually made me even more suspicious because the Dazzler I know claimed to have picked the nickname up in Oz but was living in the UK. Still, I’m sure there are thousands if not millions of Dazzlers out there – each blinding others with their brilliance.

  • 35.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:27 pm

    @keo(keo)-28:

    Onbeskof

  • 36.Oranjebliksemblou: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:29 pm

    Brussouw and Kolisi, end of story and Mark K, please dont use that word footy, leave that **** for nz and aus, in SA we play rugby.

  • 37.>^..^< katman: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:29 pm

    @Kleuter(Kleuter)-33: Say what? You’re agreeing with him that Joe or Cronje would be good additions while simultaneously lamenting the urge to select a whole new team? Think about that for a while.

  • 38.Dazzler: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:31 pm

    @kaksioek(kaksioek)-34:

    Yeah, the poms call all people named (insert real name here) Dazzler. I can assure it’s for no other reason! :)

  • 39.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:31 pm

    @Oranjebliksemblou(Oranjebliksemblou)-36:

    Moer hom

  • 40.kaksioek: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:35 pm

    @Dazzler(Dazzler)-38: Darryl?

  • 41.the artist formerly known as gunther: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:37 pm

    @Dazzler(Dazzler)-38:

    They usually call people named Darren Dazzler.

    In which case you have my sympathies.

  • 42.Dawn: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:38 pm

    @kaksioek(kaksioek)-40:

    Listen

    Stop flirting with him

    Los uit

    Take it offline

  • 43.Kleuter: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:42 pm

    @>^..^< katman(katman)-37:
    I feel that young players should be introduced slowly.
    Guys like Cronje and Joe can still add value.
    Who should we play at 7 against England? Alberts? He’s been poor.
    Burger is out, Smith is out, Vermeulen is out.
    In the squad I would certainly think of guys like Elstadt, Coetzee, Stander, Kolisi…
    But when you only have one week, I don’t think it is a bad idea to bring in either Cronje or Joe.
    Remember what happened to van Hussilin and Gaffie under Mallett against NZ? They never recovered after that test.
    HM knows how to build a squad. You will be surprised by his squad this time next year.
    A guy like FdP can also still add great value. Not only his experience, but just like Cronje and Joe he too is in top form.
    Who else do we have at 9 besides Hougaard?
    And as far as lock goes, we need someone who has been around the park.
    Matfield, if fit and conditioned is that guy.
    And remember, England will be extremely tough to beat.

  • 44.the artist formerly known as gunther: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:43 pm

    @kaksioek(kaksioek)-40:

    You thnking about his other brother Darryl.

  • 45.PissAnt: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 14:50 pm

    @keo(keo)-28:

    Honoured. Thank you.

    But you still owe me a coaching course! I am looking for a change in career.

  • 46.the artist formerly known as gunther: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 15:00 pm

    @PissAnt(PissAnt)-45:

    UCT are going to need a new coach next year.

  • 47.Caper: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 15:04 pm

    Beast
    Bismarck
    Jannie
    Etzebeth
    Bekker

    Brussow
    Kolisi
    Alberts

    Du Preez (c)
    Morne
    Habana
    Frans Steyn
    JdJ
    Hougaard
    Lambie

  • 48.JA-JA: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 15:08 pm

    I don’t think Goosen will be playing any part in the June test. If I’m not mistaken the junior World Chanpionship is at the same time and he has been selected as 1st choice flyhalf.

  • 49.greatest13gerber: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 15:10 pm

    agree about Cronje, 122kgs Wrecking ball. Has plenty of speed still.

    CJ Stander, Arno Botha, Potgieter, Adonga Also worth a bolter for Meyer

    Bring back Schalk Britz!!!!

    tragic he is not being looked at as backup impact off the bench.

  • 50.greatest13gerber: Reply to this comment
    25 Apr 2012, 15:12 pm

    @mshiniwami(mshiniwami)-14:

    Yes. agree. the form front row is

    Oosthuizen.Strauss.Nel

    No argument

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