Meyer calls up Stormers
26 Apr 2012
Heyneke Meyer has named a 31-man squad for the third and final Springbok planning camp in Cape Town, which will only include Stormers players.
This is the final leg of Meyer’s first initiative as Bok coach, as he has already spent time with Cheetahs, Lions, Bulls and Sharks players at the first two planning camps over the past fortnight in Pretoria. Meyer will now spend time with a selected group of Stormers players in Cape Town from next Tuesday until Thursday.
The Stormers can afford to release their players as they enjoy a bye during the following weekend, but this camp will coincide with WP’s preparations for the Vodacom Cup quarter-finals. Meyer hopes a balance can be arranged.
‘We know that a number of these players will feature for WP in the Vodacom Cup quarter-finals next weekend, but we would like to work with them at some stage during next week. When they are needed for provincial duty they will, of course, attend those sessions,’ said Meyer. ‘The value of these camps can’t be underestimated. During the first two camps in Pretoria we not only had the opportunity to go through all our plays and game plans with the players, but we also had one-on-one talks with every single player in attendance and also assessed them medically.
‘The wealth of information we’ve built up on the best players in South Africa is invaluable. At the end of next week, we would’ve worked with more than 100 players and although only 22 can feature in the first Test against England, all of them know where they stand in the national set-up.’
Meyer also added that this camp will allow the Bok medical team to assess several players’ injury situations.
‘We know that guys like Schalk Burger, Jean de Villiers, Andries Bekker, Duane Vermeulen and Gio Aplon, to name but a few, have been struggling with injuries and there has been a lot of speculation about the seriousness of these injuries, but after next week we’ll have a better idea of where they are in terms of fitness levels.’
Third Springbok planning camp squad:
Forwards – Andries Bekker, Brok Harris, De Kock Steenkamp, Deon Carstens, Deon Fourie, Duane Vermeulen, Eben Etzebeth, Frans Malherbe, Nick Koster, Nizaam Carr, Quinn Roux, Rynhardt Elstadt, Schalk Burger, Siya Kolisi, Steven Kitshoff, Tiaan Liebenberg, Wicus Blaauw.
Backs – Burton Francis, Bryan Habana, Danie Poolman, Dewaldt Duvenhage, Gary van Aswegen, Gerhard van den Heever, Gio Aplon, Jean de Villiers, Joe Pietersen, Juan de Jongh, Louis Schreuder, Marcel Brache, Nick Groom, Peter Grant.
105 Comments
26 Apr 2012, 10:26 am
Who is Nick Groom?
Hopefully the Stormers supporters will stop moaning now.
26 Apr 2012, 10:30 am
Have to give Heyneke kudos…
He is the first coach that I can remember who has gone around the country seeing virtually every player who has even an outside chance of being considered…
Well done to him…
Even though some reports on what he has said have concerned me… his actions speak a lot louder and clearer to me… so I’m still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and would suggest the wave of hysteria around the country says more about our own insecurities and biases than it says about meyer’s…
26 Apr 2012, 10:31 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-1: Groom is arguably the best all-round scrumhalf in WP. It’s baffling as to why he’s not been selected.
26 Apr 2012, 10:32 am
I like the concept of these camps.
Getting the players together early and instilling the culture Meyer wants the team to have is important.
The only downside is the view I have of an outsider looking in.
Doing this kind of thing piecemeal based on the availability of players may be good for the franchises, but will it work for the Bok’s long term.
You guys already suffer under the burden of hyper provincialism.
26 Apr 2012, 10:33 am
Would there be an argument for looking at a few players currently in the vodacom cup? I’m sure you can find from amongst the big unions and even the defending champions.
26 Apr 2012, 10:35 am
@Brads(Brads)-4:
Brads, I think the timing is largely an effort to see all the guys in the limited time available… stormers were overseas when he saw the bulls, who will be overseas when the stormers come back… so he’s had little choice but to do it this way…
nothing negative about it at all… IMO…
26 Apr 2012, 10:35 am
So this is just a stormers traning session with a new coach. It’s bound to confuse the **** out of them. They’ll be coached using a ball, which would be a completely unfamiliar concept.
26 Apr 2012, 10:37 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-7:
26 Apr 2012, 10:38 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-3: heynek calls up brache but no jp du plessis,
tl tl tl
26 Apr 2012, 10:40 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-7: don’t worry, fleckie will undo all of heyneke’s words within 5 minutes of his “attacking sessions”
26 Apr 2012, 10:41 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-9: Riddle me that. Moerse funny. Heyneke’s probably planning on playing tiddleywinks.
26 Apr 2012, 10:43 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-10: Fleckie is a wily old silver fox. He’s got to have the gift of the gab if he has managed to go on rugby tours so many times under the pretenses of being a back-line coach.
26 Apr 2012, 10:44 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-3:
Agree, Groom needs to go and speak to Danie Poolman to find out what a person must do to get into Alister’s good books.
He is far more abrasive and dangerous on the attack than Dewald – he reminds me a bit of a fit Ricky January – Dewald and Louis Schreuder do however have better kincking games than him at this stage and it probably fits in better with the current gameplan.
26 Apr 2012, 10:48 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-12: he picks up the tabs
26 Apr 2012, 10:51 am
@Robzim(Robzim)-13: It’s these types of decisions that will be the difference between winning the competition and losing it.
Groom trumps both Duvenhage and Schreuder in all facets. Duvenhage’s kicking and game management poor and Schreuder, while he possesses good allround skills, is just behind Groom.
26 Apr 2012, 10:53 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-14: Lol. Perhaps he’s the chairman of the entertainment committee. Every tour needs one. Through in Bobby and you have a right old p!ss up.
26 Apr 2012, 10:53 am
good move, getting as many stormers players at the same time to tell them,
“look okes, you’ve got no chance”
26 Apr 2012, 10:58 am
Where are they having the Breezers camp?
Milnerton Medi-Clinic?
26 Apr 2012, 11:02 am
How can Brache or Poolman go to these camps, but not Meyer Bosman?
26 Apr 2012, 11:06 am
@willievz(willievz)-19: turnstile is kak
26 Apr 2012, 11:07 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-16: through = throw
26 Apr 2012, 11:11 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-17:
The way I see it is that Heyneke wasn’t that impressed with what he saw at the first 2 camps.
26 Apr 2012, 11:14 am
This meeting of Cape men must conclude before sunset
26 Apr 2012, 11:14 am
When’s he having the camp with the King’s players?
26 Apr 2012, 11:14 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-18: Caprice in Camps Bay. Isn’t that where all the pooftas go? I’m sure the real G10 will know. G10, if you reading, how you doing? Would bee nice to have you back on the forum again.
26 Apr 2012, 11:19 am
Western Cape is a culture shock for ol’ Heyneke
26 Apr 2012, 11:22 am
Wonder what Divvy is thinking while reading about Meyer’s Bok camps with all the players.
“Dope! Why didn’t I think of that!”
And then when Meyer brings in his next innovation:
“And that!”
And so on and so forth…
26 Apr 2012, 11:23 am
@willievz(willievz)-19: perhaps a bondage, ag sorry, a bonding session at Bronx?
26 Apr 2012, 11:24 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-27: Actually Divvie did have a few big training camps. I recall 1 in Somerset West.
26 Apr 2012, 11:31 am
@viewer(viewer)-26: I am sure Heyneke is originally from the Cape? or am I getting confused again ?
26 Apr 2012, 11:33 am
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-27:
Yeesh you nasty today
Is it cos the Bulls have a bye
26 Apr 2012, 11:33 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-28: I doubt willie would know Bronx.
26 Apr 2012, 11:34 am
@viewer(viewer)-23: hahahahahaha
26 Apr 2012, 11:35 am
Who’s first receiver as we speak?
26 Apr 2012, 11:35 am
@Sharksgirl(Sharksgirl)-30:
born in nelspruit…
26 Apr 2012, 11:36 am
varsity in pretoria
26 Apr 2012, 11:39 am
@ufo(ufo)-35: @ufo(ufo)-36: Thank you UFO I thought I read somewhere that HM was from WC, I am obviously confusing myself, not uncommon with me I am afraid
26 Apr 2012, 11:40 am
@viewer(viewer)-26: could be the reason he left his job as Stormers forwards coach…
26 Apr 2012, 11:40 am
Not a ball in sight. . .
26 Apr 2012, 11:42 am
@Sharksgirl(Sharksgirl)-37:
don’t sweat it… common misconception… cause he started his coaching career with the swd eagles…
26 Apr 2012, 11:43 am
@Sharksgirl(Sharksgirl)-37: he coached SWD and then was roped in as forwards for the Stormers and advised my Mallett to apply for the Bulls job.
in an interview on Supersport he said he encountered a bit of resistance in blue bulls country when he first got there as everyone had only heard about his relative successes in the South/Western Cape and the Mallett endorsements.
26 Apr 2012, 11:44 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-32: You used willie and bronx in the same sentence. bwahahahaha. This is not in reference to WillieVZ
26 Apr 2012, 11:46 am
I wonder what heyneke told spies in the one on one last week and what rating his got. Surely they must see he’s all show and no go.
26 Apr 2012, 11:46 am
@Sharksgirl(Sharksgirl)-37: Okai found it!!! Not so daft after all
in 1999 he was assistant coach for the DHL Stormers! Thought he had a tie to the Stormers before the Bulls!!!
26 Apr 2012, 11:47 am
Bring out the KY jelly
26 Apr 2012, 11:47 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-42:
You’re on fire today.
26 Apr 2012, 11:49 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-41:
thank you Transie, I had read it somewhere and I thought I was going senile (you know comes with age 
) So searched his biography and found it. Should have saved some time and waited a few moments 
26 Apr 2012, 11:49 am
England coach Stuart Lancaster is roping in Mike Catt as his backs coach. He is working to get Wayne Smith in as his longterm choice. Who is our backs coach again?
26 Apr 2012, 11:50 am
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-22:
or else, after what he has seen in the first 2 camps….he just know these okes have no chance.
26 Apr 2012, 11:52 am
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-48: It’s easy to Judge Catt’s coaching ability. Check the teams position he’s currently coaching.
26 Apr 2012, 11:53 am
@pompies2(pompies2)-29:
yeah, but he invited bolla conradie and earl rose to that?!?!?!
what credability (sic)
26 Apr 2012, 11:53 am
@hensopper1(hensopper1)-48: the mercurial Ricardo Loubscher!!!!!!!!
26 Apr 2012, 11:58 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-51: so what? heyneke’s invited Brache and the whole Lions squad.
26 Apr 2012, 11:59 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-20: Harsh, Transie.
He is a confidence player and I think the Sharks are missing a trick by not playing him off the bench as the reserve 10, with Lambie going to 15.
Being a strong running 10 who distributes well to the close channels in particular, Bosman was a handful for the Bulls at Loftus in the first game of their season.
26 Apr 2012, 12:04 pm
@willievz(willievz)-54: The argument could be that there are a few similar players like that around already and he’s too far down the pecking order, which is understandable. The same could be said for quite a few players who did make the camps.
26 Apr 2012, 12:06 pm
@willievz(willievz)-54: against morne, everyone is a “handful”
26 Apr 2012, 12:07 pm
@pompies2(pompies2)-55: True, but if he received an invite to the camp in the first place, his confidence might have improved and we would see better performances from him, with spillover effects to the rest of the Sharks backline.
It would have been a win-win situation for all concerned.
26 Apr 2012, 12:13 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-56: Not necessarily.
Defense is not his strongest attribute, but you still need to exploit it effectively with the right tactics if you are going to dominate him in the tackle.
If he expects someone to attack his channel he will be better prepared for his tackle, and would put in a better one.
If an opposing 10 keeps him guessing, his job will be harder. Case in point – when Bosman came on, he stood slightly flatter than Lambie did, and organised a ball carrier in the first line of attack as well as well as a backline player in the second line of attack as passing options on the same shoulder. These passing options allowed him to hold the defensive line for that split second longer. Lambie merely distributed to his outside players as if he wanted to get rid of the ball, which did not trouble the Bulls’ drift.
Bosman was outstanding in exploiting the Bulls’ weakness, namely defense in the closer channels. We all know they have a weakness there, but you still need to execute accurately to reap the rewards.
26 Apr 2012, 12:16 pm
@willievz(willievz)-57: can’t be seen to be using bok planning camps to boost a player’s confidence, he should do that on his own. who is boosting barry geel’s confidence?
26 Apr 2012, 12:19 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-59: Barry Geel does not need any booster.
17-0.
Remember?
26 Apr 2012, 12:41 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-59: Gotta agree with you. The Bok camp shouldn’t be a psychiatrists lounger.
26 Apr 2012, 12:48 pm
@pompies2(pompies2)-61: It’s not about being a psychiatrist’s lounger.
It is about player management.
HM has now comprimised his relationship with Bosman. That is OK to some extent if he genuinely does not rate him and will never consider him for the Boks.
But if Bosman was at least invited to attend he could listen to HM’s views on him and find out where he is in the system. Well, he found out eventually, but some personal time with a coach of HM’s caliber would have done wonders for his game.
And I will emphasise the positive externality on the rest of the Sharks’ team again. A better performing Bosman who plays for a Bok jersey will lift all. Why is that not obvious for everyone else to see?
I get the feeling that the invites to Brache and Poolman is just to silence some criticism about the “Blue Boks” from the South. Nothing more.
26 Apr 2012, 12:54 pm
@pompies2(pompies2)-61: next thing steve hansen will be calling jason eaton, shaun treeby, lelia masaga to his planned all black camps JUST to boost their confidence
26 Apr 2012, 12:56 pm
@willievz(willievz)-58: Bosman is one of the the best distributers (passers) in SA. His timing and accuracy are top drawer.
26 Apr 2012, 12:57 pm
bosmans not good enough and the only reason poolman and brache and others are there next week is because its just the stormers players so they have more time.
26 Apr 2012, 12:58 pm
@willievz(willievz)-62: The green carrot should be dangling in front of every player. That Bosman hasn’t raised his performance to be included in the Boks’ planning phase has everything to do with his performances. He could’ve stepped up when Lambie was injured. he didn’t. He could’ve staked his claim to the 12 jersey. He didn’t. What plum now has is a utility player who has more value off the bench than in the starting lineup. If you look at the current Bok groups, there are plenty of those who are 1st choices at their franchises.
Poolman and Brache are bolters, but there’s very little chance of them being in a bok jersey any time soon, so that decision does surprise me.
26 Apr 2012, 13:00 pm
@pompies2(pompies2)-66: @Transformation(Transformation)-63:
You do realise that Bosman is the ONLY player not to be invited to these camps that is a Springbok and feature in his franchise’s match 22?
26 Apr 2012, 13:02 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-64: Those skills mean nothing if you can’t employ them effectively in a match situation.
26 Apr 2012, 13:04 pm
@willievz(willievz)-67: Yes, but HM is employing his coaches prerogative. Who’s to say he didn’t have a chat with Bosman.
26 Apr 2012, 13:06 pm
Meyer: The plan is coming together
Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:40
Heyneke Meyer loves it when a plan comes together. (c) Gallo
After two Springbok planning camps in Pretoria, national rugby coach Heyneke Meyer says he can finally see a plan coming together ahead of the three-Test series against England in June.
It was always going to be a tall ask to have a Springbok side ready for the first Test, a mere week after four of South Africa’s Super Rugby sides square off in local derbies.
“At first I was worried that it would take a while to put things together with the limited time we had and that we would be in trouble,” Meyer said.
“But it was clear that we were working with quality players because the guys grasped the concepts very quickly and I am gaining more confidence by the day.
“I think it is going to be easy [to select a squad] because I have a sense of what I want and the one-on-ones have helped me understand why the players take certain options on the field.”
Meyer, appointed in January as a replacement for Peter de Villiers, was initially expected to opt for senior players, due to the limited time he was given to assemble a team ahead of England’s tour.
He said, however, that injuries may force his hand in picking a younger side.
“I said initially that I wanted to select experienced players and look at the game plans, and then slowly introduce the young players from the bench or within the group,” Meyer explained.
“But given the injury situation at the moment and the players withdrawing from the series, I’m beginning to think we might have to go with a young team and give those guys an opportunity to play against England.”
He said his plans of including foreign-based players had also taken a knock because of players’ contractual obligations.
“The fact that we can’t bring the overseas players in makes it tougher because I would have liked to have Danie Rossouw and Fourie du Preez and other guys here, but their contracts state that they need a three-week break,” Meyer said.
“So it is tough that we can’t work with them.”
Meyer was pleased to be able to introduce emerging players, some of whom would have made the grade regardless of the unavailability of experienced Boks, as he looked to pave the way forward.
“Bringing in young players is mainly for the future,” he said.
“We have a lot of injuries at lock. What I’d like to do next week is bring in players from the Under-20 squad who are not playing Vodacom Cup rugby.
“Looking ahead I’d like to invite about five youngsters to join the team for the England Test series so they can familiarise themselves with the national set-up.”
Meyer was once again adamant that he expected veteran players to commit wholeheartedly to the national cause or step aside.
“If a guy’s focus is not on the Boks, I would then rather take a young player,” he said.
“We have really good youngsters coming through and I’ve been really impressed by the guys I’ve seen.
“You would like to have experience but youth brings something different to the fore. You just need to find the balance.”
SAPA
26 Apr 2012, 13:08 pm
@pompies2(pompies2)-69:
“If a guy’s focus is not on the Boks, I would then rather take a young player,” he said.
This statement says it all. Dangling the carrot.
26 Apr 2012, 13:10 pm
Meyer said the problem he also wrestled with was that many of the franchise captains were loose forwards and his captain would not necessarily only be picked by virtue of his leadership skills.
“The problem is that a lot of those guys are loose forwards and the competition among the loose forwards is very high, and at hooker I think we probably have the four best hookers in the world,” he said.
“So it is very difficult to pick a guy on captaincy alone, I need to look at experience and everything. I think there are more options but with all the injuries it’s going to be a tough choice to pick the captain,” added the Bok coach.
26 Apr 2012, 13:13 pm
@willievz(willievz)-62:
What the HELL are you on about?
Going on about Brache and Poolman just being there to appease the southerners?
How about the Stormers contingent being something like 31 players, whereas each of the Bulls and Sharks groups were only 22 and 21 players respectively.
You guys are bloody well never satisfied.
I
26 Apr 2012, 13:17 pm
“four best hookers in the world”
Chilly, Bissy, Adriaan, and?
26 Apr 2012, 13:17 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-73:
I’ve made my point.
And I am not in the mood for ping pong conversation today.
26 Apr 2012, 13:20 pm
@willievz(willievz)-75: Ja, don’t engage a non-rugby discussion.
26 Apr 2012, 13:23 pm
@pompies2(pompies2)-76: Hehe, I won’t
As concerned as I might sound, I know Heyneke knows more and I support whatever team he picks.
By the way – what do you make of our backline options this year? Going to be a very interesting year.
26 Apr 2012, 13:33 pm
Heyneke shouldn’t be immune to the general public questioning his choices or voicing their disapproval. He certainly won’t be the first, nor the last.
I don’t know what to make of the Boks backline just yet. I’d like them to display the enthusiasm, skill and execution of the Cheetahs, the defensive rugtgedness of the Stormers and the opportunism of the Bulls. I suppose i’llbe villified for exlcuding the Lions and Sharks, but there’s been verty little cohesion in either their defensive or attacking play for me to take anything from their performances. JPP and Lambie will be selected on reputation as much as on performance. Elton Jantjies would be very lucky to make the squad, nevermind the team.
My biggest question would be the ability of Loubscher to inculcate and implement strategy. I’d like to see a transformation in the mindsets of some of the players, but this would be a slow process. Fundamentally though, I’d like to see players feeling comfortable in possession, regardless of their field position.
26 Apr 2012, 13:43 pm
I’m with Willievz on this one. Meyer is going about it in a brillaint way in my opinion and not knowing the background to his decision to exclude Bosman its hard to judge him however it does seem a little harsh on Bosman.
Including Brache and Poolman in a squad of 31 from the Stormers whereas the other franchises had considerably less indicates either that he wanted 2 teams available to be able to simulate game situations to explain his approach or he is countering any suggestions that he has “blue” spectacles on – just speculating
26 Apr 2012, 13:43 pm
Am glad Peter Grant was called up. Lets hope he continues his great form and gets some Bok time!!
I also feel for Bosman, should have been called up.
26 Apr 2012, 13:47 pm
@willievz(willievz)-77: Willie if you had to pick fifteen game changers, not based on current form, but players having the potential at International level to back themselves to the hilt in each position, who would they be? e.g. Hougaard in my opinion not the best scrumhalf at the moment but an absolute game changer that you would go to war with. Similarly Frans Steyn, Lambie, Bizzie, Juandre Kruger for me, Schalla, JPP,JDV,GIO enz. If you look at picking the 15 just based on their attitude and character who would your 15 be?
26 Apr 2012, 14:12 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-81: Hi bananaboy, hope you are well.
If we are talking attacking 15s, I think young Andries Coetzee from the Lions has the talent to become an absolute star at 15. Taute too, but I think 13 is his best spot. Frans Steyn offers you something different at 15, and I am tempted to pick him there despite the fact that he is probably better off closer to the ball. You want to pick players who the opposition genuinely fears, and opposition kickers really don’t want to kick the ball downfield to F.Steyn.
So I would consider those three. The other 15s are simply not feared enough by the opposition and don’t offer me that something different. Maybe Joe P, but I think the others are more talented.
Wings are a concern to some extent. Habana is on the wrong side of 20 and Aplon is in his 30s. JPP has played 13 all year. But those 3 are still world-class. In fact, I think the best wing out of them all is probably Hougaard. I really like him, and feel he is better suited to 11, but he is such a good rugby player that I have no problem picking him at 9. I like the ball skills of Willie le Roux and his ability to accelerate through small spaces.
Anyways, cutting to the chase.
I expect to get crucified on this, but my back 3 would consist out of Coetzee, Habana and Aplon. Enough experience there to guide Coetzee.
I would pick F.Steyn and JDJ, although I like the look of JPP at 13. Taute as well. But JDJ deserves his chance based on performance. I think he offers us something at 12 too, especially next to a deeper standing 10.
Goosen. Enough said.
Hougaard. Vermaak as backup.
Many options at 8. Vermeulen (if fit), or Josh Strauss. Alberts on the bench.
Burger (if fit) – I will make a spot for him somewhere, and I am still punting the fact that I think he is best suited at 8. I like Elstadt and Marcel Coetzee too. And Arno Botha.
Brussow is a must for my team, I will build my loose trio around him.
Bekker and Etzebeth, as a combination. J Kruger looks very promising indeed, but the Stormers game showed me that if you get in his face or target him, his discipline is not yet there.
And I don’t know about the front row, honestly. Bismarck and Adriaan Strauss are my two hookers who should fight out the starting spot. Coenie Oosthuizen is very promising.
The players I have mentioned here are the ones I believe should feature somewhere in a Bok team by the end of the year.
26 Apr 2012, 14:50 pm
F.Steyn
Aplon
JPP
JdJ
Le Roux / Coetsee
Goosen
Hougaard
Kolisi
Elstadt
Brussow
Bekker
Etsebeth
Oosthuizen
Bismark
Steenkamp
Beast/Greyling , Chili, Malherbe, Kruger, Coetsee, Duvenhage, Lambie
26 Apr 2012, 14:53 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-83: I like it Skop, nice young team.
Enough experience there in Bismarck, Bekker, Aplon and F.Steyn.
Rugby is a game for young people.
26 Apr 2012, 15:00 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-83:
Good team, only problem is you have two looseheads starting and no tighthead.
26 Apr 2012, 15:02 pm
Gimme a B
Gimme a R
Gimme a OOOOOOOOO
Gimme a KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Can I get an air punch??????
A ^5 maybe???
Some Whooopin’ and a-hollorin’ ????
That’s what I’m talking about!
26 Apr 2012, 15:13 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-83: who is the captain skop?
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-86: YOOOO HOOO! ^5 hiyas bro
26 Apr 2012, 15:15 pm
@Dazzler(Dazzler)-85: coenie can play tighthead.
26 Apr 2012, 15:20 pm
15Lambie/
14Coetzee
13DeVillers(Captain)
12FSteyn
11Habana
10Goosen
9Hougaard
8Vermuelen
7Burger
6Brussouw
5.Bekker
4.Etsebeth
3.Oosthuizen
2.Du Plessis
1.Mtawarira
26 Apr 2012, 15:21 pm
Full backs
F.Steyn, Aplon, J. Pietersen, Lambie, Taute, Coetsee
Wings
Aplon, JPP, Le Roux, Basson, Habana, Mvovo, Coetsee, Sadie, Engelbrecht
Centers
JPP, Engelbrecht, Ebersohn, JdV, JdJ, F. Steyn, Sadie, Venter, Hollenbach, Mapoe, Whitehead
Fly Halves
Goosen, Lambie, M. Steyn, Grant, Jantjies, Coetsee, Pienaar, Le Roux, Ebersohn
Scrum halves
Hougaard, Duvenhage, Vermaak, Mcleod, Van Zyl, Schreuder, Meyer, Pienaar
No.8
Vermeulen, Alberts, Strauss, Spies, Koster, Kolisi, Daniel, Botha, Carr, Whitely, Johnson, Raubenheimer, Van Niekerk, Watson, Joubert
No. 7
Elstadt, Coetsee, Stander, Kolisi, Johnson, Vd Walt, Strauss, Alberts, Van Niekerk, Joubert
No.6 Brussow, Minnie, Stegmann, Daniel, Kolisi
Locks
Bekker, Etsebeth, Steenkamp, Vd Merwe, Sykes, Elstadt, Bressler
TH
Oosthuizen, Malherbe, Kirsten, Cilliers, Vd Linde, Nel
Hooker
Bismark, Chili, Strauss, Liebenberg, Fourie, Burden
LH
Steenkamp, Beast, Greyling, Oosthuizen, Kitshoff, Ca.Oosthuizen
26 Apr 2012, 15:28 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-87: That’s the Spirit!!!!
26 Apr 2012, 15:28 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-90: Skop, if you took out the arguments concerning skills as these can be acquired (asssumption) then on the basis of temperament, character, behaviours, nous etc who would you pick as a fifteen in their playing positions. In an International when the “**** hits the fan” you want super confident, level headed players who will back themselves. Who would yours be?
26 Apr 2012, 15:31 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-83: @willievz(willievz)-84:
100% on the money
Rugby is for young people they’d cream an old fogeys team any day of the weak
Best Bok captain for now in my book is JdV, but everybody saying he can’t command a starting spot which I disagree with if he goes to 13 and play JdJ at 12.
In this team #83 above would either make Bismark, Kolisi, Brussow or Bekker captain as there no one else suitable
I start Oosthuizen at TH with Steenkamp at LH they’ll handle the England FR with Malherbe and Beast off bench
26 Apr 2012, 15:43 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-86:
^Punch
Air 5…!!
26 Apr 2012, 15:43 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-92:
Under current situation I’d select a team along the lines of #83 above with possible inclusion of JdV at 13 for mentorship and captaincy which would entail one of JPP, Aplon, Le Roux / Coetsee to go out or to bench.
If you look at player depth at # 90 above we have sufficient depth for 4 Bok teams. Perhaps its time to reinvent trials and put these guys up against each other for places.
26 Apr 2012, 15:46 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-90: I reckone dv Walt from thw Cheetahs has been doing very well at 8. Inconspicuous, but doesn’t make too many mistakes and links well between backs and forwards. handy in the lineout too.
26 Apr 2012, 15:57 pm
driving now chat later
26 Apr 2012, 16:05 pm
My team based on the criteria I mentioned would be:
Beast/Coenie
Bizzie/Strauss
Greyling
Etzbeth
Bekker/Juandre
Schalk/Elstadt
Brussouw
Vermeulen
Vermaak
Goosen
Hougaard/Aplon
Frans Steyn
JDV/De Jong
JPP
Lambie
26 Apr 2012, 16:36 pm
What, no Kings?
26 Apr 2012, 17:09 pm
HM knows the Poms aren’t exactly the world beaters away from home, he plays that populist selection designed to appeal for the lower denumerator in SA , makes it looks something like ‘we are all Boks, everyone has a fair chance!’
The catch as always is it creating unfulfilled expectations that will bite HM back when he faces the real opposition: Wallabies and the ABs
26 Apr 2012, 17:11 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-95:
Seemed like you’ll be doing a lot of selections and re-selections this winter when reality comes to bite,,,
27 Apr 2012, 06:42 am
Are you guys picking fantasy teams or a team that is supposed to face the English. Did you see what they did against the Irish? Underestimate them at your own peril. Meyer won’t blood to many guys in the first game at least. He’s made his intentions quite clear with these talks about Victor and FduP making comebacks.
Also, JdV and Vermeulen won’t be back in time and the same might be true for Schalk.
New faces we can expect include Etsebeth, Elstadt, Jacques Potgieter, Vermaak, Goosen and Joe Pietersen. And they might not even be in the starting line up for the first game.
27 Apr 2012, 21:51 pm
@willievz(willievz)-62:
Always though you were one of the better bloggers here, but I think you read too much into something and then go on to accuse HM of something made up in your own mind. Pity that.
29 Apr 2012, 08:35 am
Grant needs to be a Bok. He’s quality.
29 Apr 2012, 08:37 am
Joe Peitersen has been one of the best Fullbacks in S15 rugby.
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