Landers spoil Cheetahs’ party
28 Apr 2012
GARETH DUNCAN watched the Cheetahs relinquish a 30-9 second-half lead in a 36-33 defeat to the Highlanders in Bloemfontein.
This match will be remembered as one of the most unlikely comeback wins in Super Rugby history. The Cheetahs have only themselves to blame after a shocking defensive performance during the final quarter. To concede 27 points during the closing stages of a game is embarrassing, especially after all the hard work done earlier on.
The Cheetahs held an all-round ascendancy against the ill-disciplined Otago team, and rightfully led 23-9 at the break and 30-9 shortly after the half-time restart. However, the Highlanders capitalised on the Cheetahs’ poor defensive showing midway through the second stanza as they ran in three converted tries to level the scores at 30-30.
After the teams traded penalties, Sias Ebersohn had the opportunity to convert a potential match-winning three-pointer from right in front of the posts, but he buckled under pressure and pulled the easy attempt. The Highlanders then edged the win in the 79th minute thanks to a Chris Noakes penalty. Astonishing.
During the week, Naka Drotske explained that he had a specific game plan to down the highflying Highlanders. The visitors came with strong reputation for their breakdown domination on attack and defence, and it was essential for the Cheetahs to nullify this threat to achieve victory.
And the home team did so impressively in the first half.
They committed enough numbers at the breakdown to halt the Highlanders’ strong counter-rucking, which saw them thrive on attack with the quick ball won at the tackle points. The Kiwis’ ill-discipline also cost them as they were issued two yellow cards in the 25th and 32nd minute respectively. Andrew Hore was the first player sent to the sin bin for a breakdown transgression, while James Haskell received the second for a blatant punch. The English flanker was lucky not to receive a red card as referee Marius Jonker was advised by his assistant to do so.
With this advantage, the Cheetahs built strong attacking momentum and crossed the chalk twice through Coenie Oosthuizen and Andries Ferreira. But it was Johan Goosen who was the main influence during the Cheetahs’ charge.
The 19-year-old flyhalf scored a haul of 18 points – kicking 13 in the first half (via three penalties and two conversions), before sprinting 65m down the touchline in the second stanza and beating two covering defenders to dive in at the corner. This gave the Cheetahs their 25-point buffer. In addition to his impressive spearheading of the backline and solid defensive display, he didn’t miss one goal attempt.
Unfortunately for the men from Bloemfontein, Goosen hurt his shoulder during the act of scoring and he was replaced by Ebersohn. And with Goosen’s early departure, came the Cheetahs’ downfall.
The hosts stifled on attack and their resolve crumbled on defence. This allowed the Highlanders to cut the deficit thanks to tries from halfback replacements Noakes and Jimmy Cowan, who completed a brace.
The Cheetahs still had the opportunity to close out the win, but they failed as Ebersohn missed his easiest goal attempt – handing the Highlanders their seventh win of the season.
385 Comments
28 Apr 2012, 16:29 pm
I hope the cheetahs win but can’t see it happening. Even with the jet lag highlanders will have too much.
Landers +5
28 Apr 2012, 16:43 pm
Anyone have a link to a stream?
28 Apr 2012, 16:49 pm
Go cheetahs… go make us proud..!!!
28 Apr 2012, 16:52 pm
No jonker no cry
Highlanders by 1+.
28 Apr 2012, 16:52 pm
Cheetahs will be fired up for this one… Every week there is less and less pressure on them because of the terrible performances week in-week out by those cat-cousins further north…
28 Apr 2012, 16:53 pm
Cheetahs!!!
28 Apr 2012, 17:06 pm
Ooo jinne it’s marius
28 Apr 2012, 17:07 pm
Anyone find this online somewhere?
28 Apr 2012, 17:13 pm
What I don’t get it this. The Cheetahs are having their best Super rugby season ever yet they can’t even fill a quarter of their stadium?
What more do their fans want?
28 Apr 2012, 17:13 pm
Go Cheetahs.
28 Apr 2012, 17:16 pm
Oh dear, it’s Jonker with the whistle.
28 Apr 2012, 17:18 pm
Try Cheateeeeeeeeers.
28 Apr 2012, 17:19 pm
Someone please give a stream for those near the rivers
28 Apr 2012, 17:19 pm
Coenie Poethklap from short range.
28 Apr 2012, 17:20 pm
Maybe Joanne’s first project can be to give a list of streams for our keolings on foreign shores
28 Apr 2012, 17:20 pm
doodpoes!
28 Apr 2012, 17:23 pm
And then she can give us up close and personal insight articles on the hottest players. No stats, looks.
28 Apr 2012, 17:24 pm
http://www.kostatz.webs.com/
Now save the blerrie thing!
28 Apr 2012, 17:25 pm
28 Apr 2012, 17:26 pm
Ag fok man every game Owen tells us the SA team needs to use the boot more.
Enough of that weak boring *** mentality Owen!
If Stransky was commentating he’d issue Owen with an immediate rebuttal.
28 Apr 2012, 17:27 pm
The Cheetahs are in the lead with the only try so far FFS why should they kick more Owen?
28 Apr 2012, 17:27 pm
Good link about viewing games on Supersport (works perfectly for me)
http://forum.wiziwig.eu/threads/71369-SA-Supersport-addon-for-XBMC?p=1462137#post1462137
28 Apr 2012, 17:29 pm
Joanne are you taking note
28 Apr 2012, 17:30 pm
I sometimes get the impression that Jonker will only call the penalty advantage over, if a try is scored.
28 Apr 2012, 17:35 pm
@Nils(Nils)-22: Thanks Nils, I’m using kostatz at the moment but will look into that.
28 Apr 2012, 17:36 pm
Nils ha ha ha
Caught your sarcasm late. . .
28 Apr 2012, 17:36 pm
That ball was out.
28 Apr 2012, 17:38 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-17: She can rather give us up-close-and-personal close-ups of her chest
28 Apr 2012, 17:40 pm
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-18:
Good link this!
28 Apr 2012, 17:42 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-25: I like it, because it updates itself. Just click on the program icon and current game codes appear. Nice. Sofar no problems whatsoever with the stream.
@viewer(viewer)-26: Hehe.
Ag, stupid by the Highlanders, cannot blame Jonker here. Stupid stupid.
28 Apr 2012, 17:42 pm
Haskell zapped Downey with a sneaky Pom punch to the side of the head
28 Apr 2012, 17:42 pm
Should be red.
28 Apr 2012, 17:43 pm
@Guns(Guns)-29: ‘
Best around.
28 Apr 2012, 17:44 pm
Haskell is lucky to get just yellow. Idiotic behaviour and they really are fortunate, I thought homeboy Jonker will send him off. Phew.
28 Apr 2012, 17:44 pm
Well the TMO recommended very firmly a red card, Jonker overruled him.
28 Apr 2012, 17:45 pm
Both touchies say red, Jonker chickens out and say yellow…weak!
28 Apr 2012, 17:45 pm
Good that it wasn’t a red.
Red cards kill games.
And this is not tiddlywinks.
28 Apr 2012, 17:46 pm
Watsup Guns what’s it like in the stream
28 Apr 2012, 17:47 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-37: What do you think would have happened if the situation was reversed and a Cheetah player through a clear punch like that in front of a Kiwi assistant referee and with a Kiwi referee in charge in New Zealand?
28 Apr 2012, 17:48 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-39: through should be threw
28 Apr 2012, 17:48 pm
Yippee kay yay mfckrs!
28 Apr 2012, 17:49 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-39: Why, the hitter would have SBW next. 12 rounds.
28 Apr 2012, 17:49 pm
Jonker is a f@rkin idiot, tj said red card! Wonder if the lions are watching this game… Bunch of idiots
28 Apr 2012, 17:51 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-38:
The Stream seems a bit laggy today.. European rugby on the TV.
Whats news Dawn?
& – Did you manage to see the video btw?
28 Apr 2012, 17:54 pm
The rules don’t give the ref any leeway of interpretation when it comes to a punch like that. It’s an automatic red. Either he takes the assistants word for it or he doesn’t. He can’t say he didn’t see it and then decide it was only worth a yellow.
28 Apr 2012, 17:55 pm
lol these okes realise they still being broadcasted?
28 Apr 2012, 17:57 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-32:
It should be red.
Wonder what the citing commis going to see in the brawl on the other side of the field.
28 Apr 2012, 18:00 pm
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-36:
Hes under the pump. He gave yellow and refferal…a player will get further punishment. After last week jonker would have preffered to have had an easier game.
Jonker i think is trying to avoid this game turning into one full of spite.
28 Apr 2012, 18:02 pm
Am well impressed Guns
28 Apr 2012, 18:05 pm
Held up, it looks.
28 Apr 2012, 18:05 pm
Now get out the stream you catch your death
28 Apr 2012, 18:07 pm
Did they just show a replay of a second Haskell punch? I missed it.
28 Apr 2012, 18:09 pm
Yes they did waar was jy
28 Apr 2012, 18:10 pm
In my view a punch should only be a yellow.
10 minutes and the usual 7 points against your team is enough of a penalty.
28 Apr 2012, 18:11 pm
I was paying attention to you lot.
28 Apr 2012, 18:12 pm
I hope they ban Haskell for a good long time then. Dirty *******. It’s not like you can klap someone back – they always penalize the person who retaliates.
28 Apr 2012, 18:13 pm
Awesome try by Goosen!
28 Apr 2012, 18:13 pm
Check this Johan Goosen all out running attack distribution style game to go with his superior kicking stats, and some schmucks were telling me he ain’t the real deal at the beginning of the season.
Superior No.10 for Boks by some distance ahead of all the other half baked contenders
28 Apr 2012, 18:13 pm
Thst was a decent try.
28 Apr 2012, 18:13 pm
Goosen is pure class!!
28 Apr 2012, 18:13 pm
Goosen is injured.
Shoulder.
28 Apr 2012, 18:13 pm
Oh kak, I hope he’s OK.
28 Apr 2012, 18:14 pm
**** hope his shoulder ok..Be a shame..
28 Apr 2012, 18:15 pm
Eina
28 Apr 2012, 18:15 pm
Sh*t. Looks like Goosens either torn ligaments or dislocated his shoulder.
28 Apr 2012, 18:16 pm
how come skopshyte feels a constant need for vindication?
always on here saying “I told you so” but mostly “I nearly told you so”.
mampara.
28 Apr 2012, 18:16 pm
Sad manner for any player to leave the field. Just hope it’s not long term.
28 Apr 2012, 18:17 pm
Ouch
28 Apr 2012, 18:17 pm
Bugger, hope he is ok.
But if some people still think Morne is the better option at 10 they need to get their mind read.
28 Apr 2012, 18:19 pm
Cheating Highlander scum.
28 Apr 2012, 18:19 pm
I am feeling it
28 Apr 2012, 18:20 pm
They’re very lucky to be only 30-9 down.
28 Apr 2012, 18:20 pm
Does not look good for Goosen I hope he is ok too
28 Apr 2012, 18:21 pm
Injuries to key players making HM decisions much easier
28 Apr 2012, 18:22 pm
Great defence.
28 Apr 2012, 18:22 pm
@willievz(willievz)-69:
He looked in a lot of pain when he was on the stretcher, which doesn’t look good. I also tore my shoulder ligaments over 20 years ago, and its never been right since. Of course I never had the medical facilities available that Goosen has.
28 Apr 2012, 18:23 pm
Or more difficult
28 Apr 2012, 18:24 pm
@David(David)-76:
Me too still hurts when its cold
28 Apr 2012, 18:24 pm
Ok he up and smiling
28 Apr 2012, 18:24 pm
3 meters forward
28 Apr 2012, 18:25 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-79:
I can tell you Dawn he is not smiling
28 Apr 2012, 18:27 pm
He was!
28 Apr 2012, 18:28 pm
Just briefly
28 Apr 2012, 18:28 pm
Dawn is was a courageous smile but hes hurting
28 Apr 2012, 18:29 pm
I told you so you dumbfk little snot nosed guppyuppie cn’t, I told you so many times you miserable little peanut brained imbecilic son of a slave trader cn’t but you only wake up AFTER the reality has dawned
While you were creaming your poefta guppyuppie panties and singing the virtues of your powder puff Lambiekins I was telling you Goosen was the real deal.., till you were FORCED to wake up and take notice.
You the kind snot nosed little feeble colonialist cn’t fuckwit that need you fuckwit slave trader fckdup pommie arsed brain fixed.., you sniveling little piece of pommiefied cr@p
Goosen is the difference between Cheetahs this year to last year. Without Goosen this Cheetahs side not quite the same outfit, along with introduction of Willie Le Roux at wing
And so what skopskiet told you so long ago comes back to bite these pomfaced **** where it counts., between their fckd out pomfaced sniveling colony hopping slave trader cnteyes.
28 Apr 2012, 18:30 pm
Wow the difference in play from the cheetashs since Goosen has left the field is chalk and cheese…
28 Apr 2012, 18:30 pm
Haskell 4 weeks ban 2 weeks for each punch
28 Apr 2012, 18:31 pm
I’ve listened to Haskell give a talk before – very funny guy.
28 Apr 2012, 18:31 pm
Coach I aint arguing with you just relieved to see him on sideline and not flat on his back
Now lemme alone!
28 Apr 2012, 18:31 pm
The Cheetahs are letting the Highlanders back into the game with awfull defence.
28 Apr 2012, 18:32 pm
@brains_trust(brains_trust)-86:
yes its very noticeable
28 Apr 2012, 18:32 pm
more vindicating… reckon our deal old lunatic doesn’t get enough affirmation in the real world.
As the Black Eyed Peas say, “Where is the love?”
28 Apr 2012, 18:32 pm
Oh, an upset looming?
Cheetahs were cruising with ease a few mins ago.
28 Apr 2012, 18:33 pm
Cheetahs better do some waking up……..
28 Apr 2012, 18:33 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-87: Haskell gets SBW for 12 rounds.
28 Apr 2012, 18:34 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-92: ignore it and move on woody, by answering ur only vindicatin g his existance
28 Apr 2012, 18:34 pm
Phew, a English like collapse of middle order.
28 Apr 2012, 18:34 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-89:
I know
I am speaking from experience
Broken collar bone and torn shoulder ligaments in on e tackle
Its foking sore
28 Apr 2012, 18:34 pm
The Highlanders are going to win this.
28 Apr 2012, 18:34 pm
ag no cheetahs ?
28 Apr 2012, 18:34 pm
@brains_trust(brains_trust)-86: Unbelievable. Last week too.
28 Apr 2012, 18:34 pm
The Cheetahs have given up.
28 Apr 2012, 18:35 pm
sadly the Cheetahs have lost the plot
28 Apr 2012, 18:35 pm
Why are the Cheetahs playing broken rugby against these Highlanders backs? Come on!
Ben Smith is class, would walk into most international sides.
28 Apr 2012, 18:35 pm
@Nils(Nils)-95:
Yes he is going to have some off time to train
28 Apr 2012, 18:35 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-102: cheetahs need to regroup very quickly
28 Apr 2012, 18:35 pm
it was 30 – 9 just a few minutes ago….
28 Apr 2012, 18:36 pm
since Goosen off Cheetahs all the way back to the drawing board
That the difference between Cheetahs with or without Johan Goosen
And he could be damaged beyond repair so leaving the fly half berth open to the likes of one dimension Morne Steyn or little hopeful pretender Lambiekins
28 Apr 2012, 18:37 pm
Keep it the feck together cheetahs
28 Apr 2012, 18:38 pm
Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above
‘Cause people got me, got me questionin’
Where is the love? the love, the love.
28 Apr 2012, 18:38 pm
higlanders have also gotten away with murder, and whats the bet the dirty yellow spinedHaskell will prolly get off scott free for punching a man from behind, what a coward
28 Apr 2012, 18:38 pm
One would have thought Highlanders would be getting tired they have 2nd wind going here
28 Apr 2012, 18:39 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-105: Definitely. You can punch and play on.
28 Apr 2012, 18:39 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-105: can’t – that is.
28 Apr 2012, 18:40 pm
Chettahs have to win here, They do not deserve to lose
28 Apr 2012, 18:40 pm
Madness is what you demonstrate
And that’s exactly how anger works and operates
Man, you gotta have love just to set it straight
Take control of your mind and meditate
Let your soul gravitate to the love, y’all, y’all
28 Apr 2012, 18:41 pm
Ag poethklap that was baie dom.
28 Apr 2012, 18:41 pm
wtf cheetahs doing with those 2 soft tries, they had this game, was looking a great result.
28 Apr 2012, 18:42 pm
@Nils(Nils)-113: Agreed Nils, its just so wrong, And the way i see it he is a disgrace to his own team mates that i am sure are trying to play and win with honour
28 Apr 2012, 18:42 pm
James Haskell got expelled from Wellington for making a porn tape with his sheila.
#karakter
28 Apr 2012, 18:43 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-120:
28 Apr 2012, 18:44 pm
more SharkieVarkie cnteyes up each others SharkieVarkie backsides., poeftas together arsecreeping up their SharkieVarkie arseholes in unison
Slave traders all of them together inthe last bastion of inbred ignoramus’s
What’s this Jonker pulling a proverbial home town decision., so what’s new in the S15 zoo?
28 Apr 2012, 18:44 pm
33 – 30
Huh?
28 Apr 2012, 18:44 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-108:
It wasn’t just Goosen going of. The Highlanders are tearing the Cheetahs defense to shreds with ball in hand.
28 Apr 2012, 18:46 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-122: Madness is what you demonstrate
And that’s exactly how anger works and operates
Man, you gotta have love just to set it straight
Take control of your mind and meditate
Let your soul gravitate to the love, y’all, y’all
28 Apr 2012, 18:46 pm
with Goosen at 10 it would be a sure drop goal
Still can happen
28 Apr 2012, 18:47 pm
The remnants of the old Cats franchise
Lucky cheetahs 36 – 33 Lucky
28 Apr 2012, 18:47 pm
bwahahahaaaa …..
28 Apr 2012, 18:48 pm
wow what a shocker from Sias
28 Apr 2012, 18:48 pm
. . . But he misses WTF Sias
28 Apr 2012, 18:49 pm
WHAT??? jonker gives wrong guys a pen in the last minute??? I have seen it all.
28 Apr 2012, 18:49 pm
…..and that’s why he’s not a bok
28 Apr 2012, 18:49 pm
Sias just cost his team the match
28 Apr 2012, 18:49 pm
ag no
28 Apr 2012, 18:49 pm
That will haunt Ebersohn for a veeeeeeery long time.
Poor kid.
But BMT is needed and he didn’t have it.
28 Apr 2012, 18:50 pm
Oh dear, Sias.
28 Apr 2012, 18:50 pm
Unbelievable!
28 Apr 2012, 18:50 pm
These are the old Cheetahs.
28 Apr 2012, 18:50 pm
So it’s official, SANZAR medicine works, Jonker is well again.
(miracle recovering and biblical implode by the Cheetahs)
28 Apr 2012, 18:51 pm
well kudos to landers for not giving up, even with some poor officiating which went both ways
28 Apr 2012, 18:51 pm
Wow this defeat can destroy a player’s mind. Shocking!
28 Apr 2012, 18:51 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-133:
Not really the whole team lost it for the cheetahs
No just one kick
28 Apr 2012, 18:51 pm
I just changed my mind please bring back the Cats ASAP, it’s the only hope these guys have!!!
28 Apr 2012, 18:51 pm
Lose Goosen And you lose the game., that’s how the tough cookie crumbles in the tough nut real world cauldron of Super rugby
28 Apr 2012, 18:52 pm
someone here said sias must move to wp! No thanks we have already had a gaffie.
28 Apr 2012, 18:52 pm
Cheetahs…. why don’t you just lay over and take it up the bum? Should also get relegated…. Weak!!!!!! looks like 14 and 15 again this year……
28 Apr 2012, 18:52 pm
Poor Cheetahs.
Ultra Kak to lose when you are 30-9 up.
28 Apr 2012, 18:52 pm
Sias must be absolutely gutted. Tough luck Cheetahs.
But the Landers didn’t panic and took their opportunities. Kudos to them.
28 Apr 2012, 18:52 pm
Sias Eberson….3 easy misses at posts…wtf?
28 Apr 2012, 18:53 pm
agmefok
28 Apr 2012, 18:53 pm
Bad luck Cheetahs , and all the blame cannot go on Sias, the 2nd half defense by the cheetahs was non existant
28 Apr 2012, 18:53 pm
Sorry for the Cheetahs.
Had a feeling that they’d lose though, they are just too inconsistent, even within a match.
They had their chances, hard luck guys.
It was an entertaining game though.
10/10
28 Apr 2012, 18:53 pm
Another example of the Cheetahs/Lions rolling over and playing dead to the Aus/NZ teams.
But you just wait until the play against one of the bigger SA teams! Watch how fierce they grow then!
28 Apr 2012, 18:54 pm
Hahahahha, choke choke, WHAT A SHOCKER!! hahahah
28 Apr 2012, 18:54 pm
@XV(XV)-149:
yes clearly with Goosen on the field they would have won that
28 Apr 2012, 18:54 pm
What’s so funny Nils
28 Apr 2012, 18:54 pm
The Highlanders should have been down to 14 and out of the game in the first half. Well done Jonker – another fuckup.
28 Apr 2012, 18:55 pm
sias kick not so much the problem as the 2 highlanders tries scored in 2 mins…
28 Apr 2012, 18:55 pm
It’s not just Sias, the whole teams attitude was p!ss poor the last 20min. Shame on you Cheetahs. But Sias was super k@k.
28 Apr 2012, 18:55 pm
cheetahs bottle it!
28 Apr 2012, 18:56 pm
It’s unacceptable that these NZ and Aussie teams come to our soil and we give them points on a silver platter.
I cannot believe the turnaround in fortunes since Goosen’s departure.
28 Apr 2012, 18:56 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-153:
cheetahs will give your lot and the bulls a v good go i reckon, in fact they’ll beat them on current form.
28 Apr 2012, 18:56 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-153: I fully agree. Why they do that they will only know.
28 Apr 2012, 18:58 pm
Very sad but what about these Highlanders
28 Apr 2012, 18:58 pm
All this talk about how weak the Aussie conference is… I think SA has the easiest conference.
28 Apr 2012, 18:58 pm
@cab(cab)-162: that’s my point. They can beat top SA sides if they want but they cru-u-u-u-umble against anything foreign.
28 Apr 2012, 18:59 pm
Sheesh…
Tough luck cheetahs…!!!
But well done to the Highlanders…!! showed a lot of guts to come back from a shocking ill-disciplined first half..
28 Apr 2012, 18:59 pm
SANZAR must cut the number of teams at some point
28 Apr 2012, 18:59 pm
The Goose was cooking them.Lets hope that for the sake of S.A.Rugby that
he is OK
28 Apr 2012, 18:59 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-156: no idea what you see funny there.
28 Apr 2012, 18:59 pm
@Getafix(phil72)-165:
I agree mate, Lions/Cheetahs/Sharks all rubbish!!!
28 Apr 2012, 18:59 pm
Anyhooo go Edinburgh!
28 Apr 2012, 19:00 pm
Sias will be going cheap cheap now.
Stormers should buy him.
28 Apr 2012, 19:00 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-166:
thats bollocks, they smoked the canes on kiwi soil and for all of about 70mins had it over one of the top sides in the pack – no ways they rolled on – did your lot roll over v chiefs last week then.
28 Apr 2012, 19:00 pm
If either the Cheetahs or the Lions want to participate in Super Rugby again it will have to be as a combined effort.
Reassemble the Cats. Neither franchise is in a situation right now to make demands.
It’s that simple.
28 Apr 2012, 19:01 pm
@lawsy25(lawsy25)-171: easy tiger, the Sharks are in the top half of the table, don’t blow your load just yet.
28 Apr 2012, 19:01 pm
wannenburg scores for Ulster
28 Apr 2012, 19:02 pm
Paulse needs to shave his head.
28 Apr 2012, 19:02 pm
NH does nogal have bigger crowds
And pedri scores
28 Apr 2012, 19:02 pm
so let me get this right an AC-coached side is 2nd and a JW-coached side is 3rd – and who was the genius who been telling us along how **** they are?
28 Apr 2012, 19:02 pm
Blackpants will be having a quiet guffaw.
Perhaps even a bellywobble…
28 Apr 2012, 19:02 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-176: did you watch the SharksXV match ealier?? Deysel was brilliant, MOM
28 Apr 2012, 19:02 pm
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-173:
No no no.
We sold the best centre in the game.
It’s Goosen. Nothing but the best for the Stormers.
28 Apr 2012, 19:03 pm
@IAAS(I am a stormer)-175:
Agreed and then add the Kings
We will then have 4 decent teams and one very weak team
28 Apr 2012, 19:03 pm
What a useless piece sh*t Sias Ebersohn was? Single handedly cost the Cheetahs the game with poor defence and terrible kicking. Clearly the weaker twin, shame
28 Apr 2012, 19:04 pm
Ruan Pienaar having a great game
28 Apr 2012, 19:04 pm
@cab(cab)-174: Cab, their tour this year was incredible. Big up to them. But was it a false dawn?
The Cheetahs have now lost 2 home games on the trot to NZ teams. Nothing goes against what I have said. Over the years, they roll over at home and play dead against the foreign teams.
You want proof? Cheetahs have lost more home games than they have won to NZ/Aus teams…
Terrible stat.
28 Apr 2012, 19:06 pm
Lol. Let me just get this right. Is Cab suggesting the Cheetahs DO NOT roll over and play dead against the NZ/Aus teams?
28 Apr 2012, 19:08 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-176:
Mate the Sharks have no chance of making the top 6. 3 kiwi teams, 2 saffa and 1 token Aus team will make the top 6, The Sharks will be nowhere to be seen.
28 Apr 2012, 19:08 pm
Get what you want right, but there was no rolling over today, you still gotta play this team, dunno why u mouthing off when u just got parked in your own backyard last week.
28 Apr 2012, 19:09 pm
Distributor you being tad harsh
28 Apr 2012, 19:10 pm
IAAS,
True but perverse. They are beggars ATM but I foresee a late urgent High Court application later this year. This one will end up in the courts
28 Apr 2012, 19:10 pm
@cab(cab)-190: hey boetie that’s WHAT I’m saying. Hello? Are you there? Watch them beat the Sharks…. helllooooo?
But beat a NZ or Aus team? Nah.
28 Apr 2012, 19:10 pm
One set of rules for SAFFAS and another for the KIWIS. Barry de Wet picked up a red from Paddy O’Brainless in a test without throwing a punch. James Haskell gets a yellow after punching an opponent
28 Apr 2012, 19:11 pm
@lawsy25(lawsy25)-189: wow I didn’t know there was a set quota of teams from each country.
28 Apr 2012, 19:11 pm
Tough luck Sias… these things happen sometimes… still a good player…
28 Apr 2012, 19:11 pm
vs all NZ/Aus teams:
Home
P29 W12 L 16 D1 = 41%
Away
P30 W3 L26 D1 = 10%
Total = 25%
28 Apr 2012, 19:12 pm
Oupa terblanche!
28 Apr 2012, 19:13 pm
I hate the Cheetahs. Their not good for my Superbru and not good for the actual Saffa title contenders.
When you expect them to loose, they somehow win. When you pick them to win, they loose. And, if that’s not enough, they stuff up one of the big team’s chances because they all of a sudden become mighty when they play a SA side.
I say relegate them and get it done with. At least you can still trust the Lions and the Kings to be ****.
28 Apr 2012, 19:14 pm
@Bloues(Grootdrink)-199:
Apparently, cr@p is a bad word according to the moderators at Keo.
28 Apr 2012, 19:15 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-193:
i dont think u get what i’m saying boettiiie, which is that your sharks got planted by a nz team in their own backyard just last week and here u are running around like bully bunting talk kak like a champ, walk the walk or shut it.
28 Apr 2012, 19:15 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-197:
That is shocking!!
28 Apr 2012, 19:18 pm
And oupa gets a card
28 Apr 2012, 19:20 pm
Digby Ioane just returned this weekend from a five-game suspension for a dangerous tackle. What Haskell did was far worse. He deserves a longer ban than that.
28 Apr 2012, 19:20 pm
Wow Noakes big match temperament
28 Apr 2012, 19:20 pm
What’s the consistency going to be? What did du Plessis get for a right hand to the face of Karl Lowe?
28 Apr 2012, 19:26 pm
@cab(cab)-180:
Cab, be fair. The Brumbies are only third because they’re the leading Oz side. On points they’re a lot lower.
@Bloues(Grootdrink)-199:
I understand English is your second language, but the opposite of win is LOSE, not loose.
28 Apr 2012, 19:27 pm
What a game! This Goosen is the real deal. When he left the field all folded like a pack of cards. I’m sure Mr Ebersohn will have sleepless nights…
Well done Landers – a sign of a great team to come back from behind and snatch a victory from near defeat.
28 Apr 2012, 19:28 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-203:
Who is Oupa?
28 Apr 2012, 19:29 pm
@cab(cab)-201: Cab you must be on the sous. What the fook have the Sharks got to do with the Cheetahs losing to the Highlanders from 30-9 up? Vertel my asseblief… connect the dots please as I see no connection.
28 Apr 2012, 19:29 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-204: are you serious?pretty hard to breack a neck with a punch.
28 Apr 2012, 19:30 pm
Muller
Pienaar
Oupa Terblanche
Wannenburg
Jeez Ulster are a team of SA hasbeens.
28 Apr 2012, 19:30 pm
Aha Oupa Terblanche.
28 Apr 2012, 19:31 pm
Is this the best of European rugby?
28 Apr 2012, 19:31 pm
@dermie(dermie)-211: Tackles are a legal part of the game of rugby. Punches are not. Ioane’s tackle was fairly innocuous.
28 Apr 2012, 19:31 pm
had to apologise to the missus after beating her up at half time,all’s good the ‘landers got up.
28 Apr 2012, 19:32 pm
@David(David)-207:
oh right – mums the word – looking to catchy fishie of old siener van poggenpool
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-210:
yessus i dunno wtf they taught u at barista college, but logic aint your strong point.
28 Apr 2012, 19:32 pm
and Robbie Diack (remember him?) on the Ulster bench.
28 Apr 2012, 19:33 pm
Ag spooner stop complaining
Their crowd is bigger
28 Apr 2012, 19:33 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-215: dropping people on their head isn’t legal,it’s dangerous.
28 Apr 2012, 19:33 pm
The Cheaters still play entertaining rugby though. I am also impressed with the Landers skills. They are a good team.
28 Apr 2012, 19:35 pm
@cab(cab)-217: nah epic fail by you. No connection at all.
The issue at hand is: The Cheetahs roll over and play dead to the NZ/Aus teams but play like rabid tigers against the other SA teams.
Your point is: the Cheetahs may well beat the Sharks (why you singlehandedly isolate the Sharks in particular I have no clue…)
My point is: yes, the Cheetahs can beat the Sharks… kinda proves my point…
That’s the simple version for you…………
Now don’t make me call you Crab.
28 Apr 2012, 19:35 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-212:
Yeah, looks like the recent Sharks.
28 Apr 2012, 19:35 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-215: i don’t know who he tapped,but he learnt a lesson don’t hold on to a player trying to break.
28 Apr 2012, 19:36 pm
SARU should save rugby from mediocrity – cull both the lions & lions. Stick with the 3 well-funded teams. I say 3 SA Superugby teams. Currie Cup only for the rest
28 Apr 2012, 19:37 pm
I provided the damning Cheetahs stats vs NZ/Aus teams but ja, keep banging on about the Sharks…..
28 Apr 2012, 19:37 pm
@dermie(dermie)-220: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1rYkDa03V8
Have your eyes tested.
28 Apr 2012, 19:37 pm
@viewer(viewer)-225:
Lions and Lions????
28 Apr 2012, 19:37 pm
@viewer(viewer)-225: SARU were lobbying for 6 teams.
28 Apr 2012, 19:38 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-222:
my point is this, you say cheetahs roll over for nz teams cos they got beaten at home, you are a sharks supporter whose team just got beaten at home by a nz team lost time the played – eta u must put da brain too work…
28 Apr 2012, 19:38 pm
@dermie(dermie)-224: Save it for your wife, tough guy.
28 Apr 2012, 19:38 pm
Anyway I have seen cab like a dog with a bone, going on until the early hours jousting with skopshyte. Sometimes their duels go on for a week. I don’t have the stomach to argue about pretty obvious stuff. I’ll leave the connecting of the dots to you cab, take care and enjoy the cabernet.
28 Apr 2012, 19:39 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-227: yeah i know,just winding you up.
28 Apr 2012, 19:39 pm
not to sharp this one.
28 Apr 2012, 19:40 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-231: and again
28 Apr 2012, 19:40 pm
@cab(cab)-217:
As you know I’m not a Jake fan, especially when he was the Bok coach, but I believe that coaches can grow and learn. I’ve never understood why we treat our national coaches like US Presidents who can’t run again once their first or second term is over. The loss of rugby IP is ridiculous.
28 Apr 2012, 19:42 pm
OK I’m officially bored
28 Apr 2012, 19:42 pm
@cab(cab)-230: what the fook are you talkin’ about Willis? You know as well as I do that the Sharks have a decent record against the NZ/Aus teams…… In fact the Stormers and the Sharks have the exact same record which is the best all time out of any SA team against foreign teams (60 wins).
As I said, your argument is illogical.
28 Apr 2012, 19:43 pm
Very illogical.
28 Apr 2012, 19:43 pm
Extremely illogical in fact.
28 Apr 2012, 19:44 pm
@David(David)-236:
he’s a good coach but i dont want him back after he offered his services for the BIL, regardless of what had been done to him, that was against the whole Bok tradition which he peddled to everone he was so in awe of, and then as soon as he was dropped wanted to coach a touring team against the Boks, im not keen. im not even into the bokke kak, but coaching the Boks should be a massive honour – no way must he come back.
28 Apr 2012, 19:44 pm
OK, now I am out.
Cab, take it away on your own boetie.
28 Apr 2012, 19:47 pm
u dont got it spooner, u dont get the bigger picture either, which is criticising other teams when yours is not so hot either and a long way off having the false rugby pedigree u believe they have – their are only 2 SA teams to have won a super rugby series The Cats (Lions/Cheetahs) and the Bulls. The Sharks have never won a Super rugby tournament, EVER.
28 Apr 2012, 19:49 pm
These Scotties are useless
28 Apr 2012, 19:49 pm
Gareth Duncan,its not just an Otago side,there’s actually more southlanders there,so please stop calling them otago,it makes me ill.
28 Apr 2012, 19:51 pm
Also outta here! Cheers all
28 Apr 2012, 19:52 pm
is anyone watching the H Cup? Worst rugby i’ve ever seen, the Lions would it, shocking
28 Apr 2012, 19:53 pm
Sias Ebersohn is simply not up to the high stringent level of game winner at S15 standard.. he is a tough little trier who on a good day has a pretty decent boot on him and a decent running flowing game.. but he AIN’T a Johan Goosen by a LONG SHOT.. even though some fundi’s earlier in the pre season rounds were trying to tell me he was as good if not better than Goosen..
So now that the real deal deliberations have been well and thoroughly tested and found OUT.. we are left to rue the fact that Goosen has seemed to be a little frail when it comes down to the hard tough rigors of international cut thrust rugby
SA do not have a better all round play maker / goal kicker general than Goosen.. yet his physical frailty is a most definite concern.. because he been down and out more often than is reasonably required in this competition..
Hopefully he gets up and recovers from this latest breakdown and builds some body muscle onto that lithe and rugby intuitive frame of his.
28 Apr 2012, 19:55 pm
The year was 1987 and it was a Sat afternoon …
We were the last great hope of a school desperate to win a match against the mighty Monnas and the u14c team had that chance with time up and a peanut infront of the posts to win it as time was up …
Score stayed 6 all …broken youngsters !
If the kicker of that day blogs here I just want ya to know …I forgive ya ..
28 Apr 2012, 19:56 pm
@cab(cab)-241:
I don’t want him back either, as I reckon he’s only good coaching youngsters who’re gratefull to be selected. I don’t think he has the ability to actually develop a team which allows the players to fully utilise their individual talents within a framework. I could be wrong though, and I’m watching the Brumbies with great interest, especially their attack structures.
28 Apr 2012, 19:57 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-244:
Expect a spanking from Jockbok. He’s watching you.
28 Apr 2012, 19:59 pm
@cab(cab)-243: puhleeaase S10 was 5 games long and you are claiming that as a “proper” super trophy win?
Bwaaaaaaaaaaa.
Are you seriously comparing the overall super rugby Sharks record against the Lions or the Cheetahs record?
Bwaaaaaaaaaaa. Don’t make me larf.
I ask again, what the fook do the Sharks have to do with the Cheetahs losing to the Highlanders from 30-9 up?
I’ll come back to this thread next month, maybe by then you would have cooked up some dots to connect with.
Exceptionally illogical you are today. I can only assume there is some sous involved.
28 Apr 2012, 19:59 pm
ebersohs are sharp runners, anyone can miss a kick, you dont write players off cos of 1 missed kick. it shouldnt have come down to the kick, even if hed had got it, would only been a draw – the real problem was that the cheetahs relinquished a 21-point lead in 30mins when all over them – 3 converted tries – pop pop pop.
28 Apr 2012, 19:59 pm
Bok back line for the future
15. Coetzee (Lions)
14. JJ engelbrecht
13. Sadie ( he wil get his form back)
12 De jonge
11 Le Roux
10 Goosen
9 Hougaard
28 Apr 2012, 20:00 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-248:
Why don’t you and Goose get a room already …?
As good as the kid is he is made of GLASS ! ..yes I said it and its there for all to see …can’t take the knocks and its unfortunate.
I hope he proves me wrong.
28 Apr 2012, 20:01 pm
@ august
28 Apr 2012, 20:01 pm
@cab(cab)-253:
!00 % correct
Ebersohn never lost the game
The cheetahs lost the game as a team Full stop done Klaar
28 Apr 2012, 20:01 pm
little snot nosed slave trading barrister from Putney with all his toffee nosed last bastion pompom superiority oozing out his lily white arse still thinking slave trading is a decent commodity share investment in this here 21st century .. talking down to the real rugby bust a gut players, the same that the Sharkievarkies mercilessly buy up yearly on the slave trader market, and who put their all into taking a challenge, while his pompom sharkievarkie nonentity setup done nothing but roll over like Beethoven on a dumbfck Sunday to the weaker collection of NZ competition
Cheetahs should not have lost that after so much collective adrenalin putting them way ahead in the first 50 mins… the subbing off of De Bruyn and the injury of Goosen disrupted their challenge and they let it slip with a hard running team like the Highlanders difficult to stop once they get on a roll.
28 Apr 2012, 20:01 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-252:
oh u still around? yip Sharks never won a Super Rugby Tournament ever. fact.
Only Cats (Lions/Cheetahs) and Bulls – based on that they should amalgamate all coastal vissie teams into one godawful useless team, the eastern storm sharks maybe can win one? of hoe?
28 Apr 2012, 20:01 pm
Goosen wasn’t running freely just before scoring & hurting his shoulder. Cramp or worse, a strained hammy perhaps
28 Apr 2012, 20:02 pm
Goosen wasn’t running freely just before scoring & hurting his shoulder. Cramp or worse, a strained hammy perhaps ?
28 Apr 2012, 20:02 pm
I mean Almost!
28 Apr 2012, 20:03 pm
@cab(cab)-259: Should we start analysing the Lions’ super record?
Really? You want me to do that?…..
Thought not.
28 Apr 2012, 20:04 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-252:
So the 1995 WC also meant squat …Samoa in the quarters …
Why is it that people want to take away that win by Transvaal ..it was ground breaking and should not be snuffed at.
A blueprint for the WC win.
Anyway I’m no fan of comparing teams over each other like that.
28 Apr 2012, 20:04 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-257:
hello Coach – ja real pity watching that theyd done all the bladdy hard work – actually this cheetahs team playing some bladdy good rugby, just need one more krag tightforward, maybe 2, should never have sold bismark. tell u what if cheets still had bismark, and lions had alberts, and they did become teh cats – they would be title contenders.
28 Apr 2012, 20:05 pm
@cab(cab)-259: lol, the Eastern Storm Sharks. Classic.
That was funny, I’ll give that to you.
The Lions, as you say, can stay as their own team. They deserve it for winning the Super 10 in 19voetsek.
28 Apr 2012, 20:07 pm
@cab(cab)-265:
Hi there cab
Yes But you know i still like the way the cheetahs play They try hard and give a better effort than Lions
Skoppie is right once half backs went off it cheetahs lost their way.
Good teams win when 30-9 up in the 2nd half
28 Apr 2012, 20:07 pm
Ruan Pienaar MOM , hell he has been brilliant
28 Apr 2012, 20:07 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-266:
Or the King Sharks maybe?
28 Apr 2012, 20:08 pm
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-258: Madness is what you demonstrate
And that’s exactly how anger works and operates
Man, you gotta have love just to set it straight
Take control of your mind and meditate
Let your soul gravitate to the love, y’all, y’all
28 Apr 2012, 20:08 pm
Where is skop’s love, the love, the love?
28 Apr 2012, 20:08 pm
tvl contributed 16 of the 24 players to the RWC 95 Bok team – unheard of.
That was a great golden lions team.
28 Apr 2012, 20:08 pm
Cheetahs don’t need Bismark anymore
Wat praat jy cab
28 Apr 2012, 20:09 pm
Merge Kings and Sharks
And lions and Cheetahs (keep coaching staff add os )
28 Apr 2012, 20:10 pm
@CoachPete(CoachPete)-274: screw that sh*t.
Why not merge the Stomers and Kings?
The Storm Kings.
All in the same Cape anyway.
28 Apr 2012, 20:11 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-273:
baie kak tannie.
28 Apr 2012, 20:11 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-275:
The Sharks need them more
We have plenty of young depth
28 Apr 2012, 20:11 pm
Cab
Transvaal (now golden lions) won the Super 10. Super 10 was a purely provincial comp meaning there were no feeder unions (eg how today griquas can supply talent to cheetahs) Best finish for Cats (in Super 12) has been semi’s in 2000 & 2001 (I’ll double check but I’m pretty sure)
28 Apr 2012, 20:12 pm
Kings and sharks
You give spooner a hat attack
28 Apr 2012, 20:12 pm
Sharks are outright kakalak useless.. take the Lions and Cheetahs players out the Sharks and what you got left.. a bunch of wheezing little toffee nosed pompoms thinking their toffee arsed backsides smell like cream puff donuts at a last bastion pompous pompom sunny afternoon tea party in the lush sugar cane colonial hide away.
28 Apr 2012, 20:14 pm
@cab(cab)-272:
Im with you there all the way !
Regards CSB
28 Apr 2012, 20:15 pm
Don’t call me tannie you kuk talking ou balie in jou moer in
28 Apr 2012, 20:15 pm
@viewer(viewer)-278:
yip quite right – what a team, ian mac (he came to coach us, i never seen an oke that size, looked like deputy dan).
28 Apr 2012, 20:16 pm
eish, Sias will be stronger after pulling that ‘lambie’
keep your chin up boy!
28 Apr 2012, 20:16 pm
@viewer(viewer)-278:
You correct …It means we beat the mighty Blues with a team all from Joburg ..funny how now the Lions are ontop of the Blues …
28 Apr 2012, 20:17 pm
@Almost…(Bonobo)-281:
i liked the u14c post earlier, how u doing out there in holland coffee? long time no hear.
28 Apr 2012, 20:18 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-284:
Yea poor kid ..it will pass though .
28 Apr 2012, 20:18 pm
Juan Smith chose loyalty over cash. Same for heinrich. Best players in a poor team
28 Apr 2012, 20:18 pm
ooh fok, this woman’s lib is getting out of hand.
what have i done now?
28 Apr 2012, 20:20 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-275:
EP and Border were previously with the Sharks. The Sharks need bolstering as well. You know that, I know that. So a re-unification is not to be sneezed at.
Everybody wins.
28 Apr 2012, 20:20 pm
@cab(cab)-265:
I reckon Ernst Joubert was a bigger loss to the Lions than Alberts. He’s developed a far more complete game at 8 than Alberts has. I couldn’t understand why he was moved to 7 to accomodate Alberts at 8 when it should have been the other way around.
28 Apr 2012, 20:21 pm
@cab(cab)-286:
Good thanks …left Holland to come back and fight the good fight against the Gauteng toll roads and support the Lions …
You still in France ?
28 Apr 2012, 20:25 pm
@David(David)-291:
he’s actually playing amazing in england, i disagree tho you players like alberts are actually few and far between in sa rugby, unlike the polynesian, its just so important imo to have one of these guys to give u that forward momentum – your point on JW is a very accurate one too, could go either way, i personally think u nearly got it right, still a schoolmaster after all and cant really reliquish control to let them fly, but i think he’ll adapt. he was not close-minded white, and even when wrong, he’d listen to others.
28 Apr 2012, 20:26 pm
@David(David)-291:
Ernst Joubert was overlooked by White for players like Cronje and Roussouw and Spies and Kankowski
Ernst Joubert would have been the natural successor to Juan Smith or even taken hold of the No.8 spot ahead of Spies once Van Niekerk set his sails for the NH…
Alberts is a fits and starts type player.. good for about 30-40 minutes in a totally bruising balls to the wall dam busting barnstorming effort..
He ain’t a complete No.8 by any standards.. neither is Spies.. and Vermeulen should have had a Bok call up LONG before either of those two did.
28 Apr 2012, 20:28 pm
@Almost…(Bonobo)-292:
nice coffee – u enjoying it back in gautengaleng? bit of a shame about the lions, injuries fkd their campaign up a bit and now back to square one – playing talent few and far between unlike years goneby.
28 Apr 2012, 20:30 pm
@viewer(viewer)-288: so did Goosen who just signed a 3 year deal with them though Bulls tried breaking the bank to get him..
Those are the players that get my utmost respect.. not these wheezing money grubbing mercenaries that go running to the Sharks when they pull that little grubby bag of silver out their promiscuous unscrupulous back pockets.
28 Apr 2012, 20:31 pm
Watching that last quarter one could be forgiven for thinking of Hansie…..
28 Apr 2012, 20:37 pm
Jake White is to Brumbies now what John Mitchell was to Lions about 10 months ago.. all bright and bushy tailed new broom sweeping clean with all the buy in from the downtrodden newbies who need to set their tails a wagging at the prospects of a new dawn arising
White is a me first fck the rest kinda coach.. not all that far different to Mitchell though Mitchell is more of a physical stickler hard liner disciplinarian and White a more pragmatic type analyst and utilization of brawn over play making ability.
Brumbies have got together a formidable physically pumped up unit with some those big and fast Polynesians propping up the Aussie brain team.. suits Whitey down to a glorious T.. see how he fares 12 months down the track or if it just another fairy tale beginning that gonna need some Aussie brains to put the whole show on the road like he needed Jones to fix his ailing setup when AC and Smal weren’t quite enough.
28 Apr 2012, 20:38 pm
vermeulen a very good player, but alberts gives much better go-forward, no-one in SA to touch his explosive power, both in ball-carrying and in the big-hits – u want to know what the lions and cheetahs missing – precisely that – that go-forward low-driving momentum that gets the team on the front foot and the other team thing goddamn thats a bees on the hoof – why u think jakey picked that polynesia truck at 8 – for his good looks? kiwis breed them as they do strikerunners, bokke dont, got alot of skill and alot of pace, but alberts is a rare specimen, he is almost exactly the same sort of player as his legendary australian counterpart Willy O – play him at 8 or 7, who cares with the details, but play him you must.
28 Apr 2012, 20:39 pm
“handing the Highlanders their seventh win of the season.”
And seventh straight vs unlucky Cheetahs who have yet to beat them.
28 Apr 2012, 20:41 pm
@cab(cab)-293:
Yes, he’d listen, but first and foremost Jake is an analyst, not a creator. He knows how to counter the oppostion but not how to dominate them other than through forward power and aggressive defense.
@ashampoopaloo(joel1yahoo)-294:
Jake seemed determined to accomodate Spies in some loose forward position. If you remember, he tried him at 6, 7 and 8 before Spies seemed to believe that 8 was his best position. That myth has been perpetuated ever since.
28 Apr 2012, 20:44 pm
Mitchell a great coach, not a one-trick wonder at all, neither is white – mitchell had something like 87% success rate with kiwis and part of Woodwards’ juggernaut – ive never seen a team so decimated with injuries as current lions one. You said JW and AC were kak coaches, yet AC led stormers to back-to-back playoffs and current team looking formidable with its hardnosed approach and disciplined defensive structures that are tighter than a bears arse in fly season. You said JW would come a cropper when coach super rugby, now you moved goalpost to longer term. No ou doos u are wrong.
28 Apr 2012, 20:46 pm
@David(David)-301:
yip i think thats sort of right if u can at all label or analyse ppl.
28 Apr 2012, 20:48 pm
Alberts been found out lately and not having a great season for Sharks he’s already falling way off the radar where youngsters like Coetsee are outplaying him week in and week out
Alberts is great as a gain line busting ball carrier which is precisely what Boks with Rassie and PdV should have used him for at the EC instead of that outright f’ng stupid moronic ploy of making Burger the chief ball carry go to man.. Alberts should have had that role with Bismark on as fetcher / spoiler in the tight / loose and Boks would have sailed through that quarter final.. instead burger fck’d it all up.. and Alberts and Bismark came on too late.
However Vermeulen is still a far more constructive and industrious proper strong attack and defensive natural No.8.. which neither Alberts nor Spies are by a long shot.. for differing reasons.
28 Apr 2012, 20:55 pm
AC is a better coach without Maverick Rassie throwing his maverick spanners in the works..
AC getting it right through some sound selection by utilizing the gifts of the young ball breakers we have such as Elstadt, Kolisi, and now Carr and since Burger been out the way.. if Burger was still running on as captain we would not be producing results like we have without him., as was pretty clear when we got done at the tight end of the comp last 2 years when Burger led he team to consecutive losses.
White is an opportunist.. AC a far more rounded and humble individual who can command quiet respect and build a team though some of his success is attributed to the good quality depth we have built through junior structures and through getting a sound team ethic going under alternative captains to Burger.. which is partly as a result of (mis)fortune rather than by coaching design.
28 Apr 2012, 20:57 pm
Coetsee is going to come and go, i saw take a hit and stay down, he’s very athletic and we got many of those – but u need a MINIMUM of one looseforward who gets you the momentum. Vermeulean v good allround, not a bad carrier and massive workrate but does not have that impact. Rugby also a psychological game – ive watched when alberts drives into the oppo – they straightaway know its a different sharks team, just the sharks have got such kaksleg tight 5 at present. put bismarck and alberts into any of the Stormers, Bulls or Cheetahs team and u got a decent Bok pack. Forwards got a repuration for domkrag for a reason, u wanna pick the more mobile guys fine, but we keep getting the balance wrong and going to light, where white knew to go to our strengths – what he didnt know was how to get our backs to attacks and create, and perhaps even worse, was to concentrate on defense far dar more than attack – unfortunately it doesnt make him wrong if you look at winningtests, which perhaps says something about the game or rules of it itself which favours better defense teams – maybe u got to give 2 points for a penalty then and 6 for a try.
28 Apr 2012, 21:00 pm
Damn, electric storm, so I need to disconnect my router. Might see you guys later (Cab and Shamps).
28 Apr 2012, 21:01 pm
@David(David)-307:
Bye David
28 Apr 2012, 21:03 pm
Talking snot as per usual. White is one of a handful of astute coaches that has graced this planet. This skopshyte goon made his name arse how many times this week about the Lions vs Brumbies game. Moron of note.
28 Apr 2012, 21:08 pm
Whites win loss ratio vs NZ was pathetic 3 from 10
his win loss ratio vs France was worse 1 from 4
His win loss ratio vs Ireland was lost all away and won all at home
Against Eng. was a 50/50 affair
So White was a mediocre middle of the road coach who could get a team fired up to begin with but when their one track mentality got found out he had nowhere to turn or go.. that why he hired Jones because he was totally and abjectly LOST without a hope in finding any direction after losing hand over fist in the 3N through 2006 and 2007
David is correct he can analyse only to a point.. then he need somebody else to create what he himself cannot…
Mitchell is a better all round coach than White though yesterdays result at Ellis Park will beg to differ on that point.
Whites penchant for size and brawn over skill gave him a mediocre middle of the road results portfolio.. the combination of Burger, Smith and Spies or Roussouw was a poor one overall and got horribly found out.. least of all when he went to Brisbane with CJ, OS, Smit, Matfield, Van Niekerk, Roussouw, Cronje and Smith and got done by 49 points to ZERO… Had he played Watson at open side none of that sh’t would have happened.. and White got bailed out his abject stubborn idiocy blindness by none other than Eddy Jones.
28 Apr 2012, 21:12 pm
i thought u just been punting van niekerk as the ideal no 8?
gotta go, out.
28 Apr 2012, 21:13 pm
@David(David)-307: so long
28 Apr 2012, 21:16 pm
White has taken the Brumbies to unimaginable heights. In 2004 he also took over a train wreck and brought us the RWC. He would have won more trophies but politics got in the way and comic relief was introduced for four years.
28 Apr 2012, 21:16 pm
@kaksioek(kaksioek)-70: HaHa Scum
28 Apr 2012, 21:20 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-313: Did you watch the Sharks XV earlier today??
28 Apr 2012, 21:37 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-313: He defn has some coaching ability ol Jake
28 Apr 2012, 21:45 pm
skopshyte talking tripe as usual.
28 Apr 2012, 22:28 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-313: Extremely generous with the “Comic Relief” tag, I had other terms to describe the nauseating de Villiers era or error. Those who doubted JW (Iwas one of those naysayers), must remember that the team he built, was inherited by a bloke with a coaching pedigree of a bed bug.
28 Apr 2012, 22:34 pm
Oh jakey jakey – what a coach!
28 Apr 2012, 23:02 pm
What i´d like to know from you guys is who you would put together as the loose forwards (2 per position) – Theres a lot of talent lately but some of the old stalwarts are not as impressive as they used to be in my opinion. Alberts and Brussouw spring to mind. both still good players but not as incredible as a year ago for example. That injury to Brussouw has taken some of his edge away it seems.
Loosies who are in contention would be:
Bulls: Stander (havent seen enough of him to be convinced yet), Jacques Potgieter (who I think is a great player), Pierre Spies (but blows hot and cold like he always has)
Lions: Thought maybe Josh Strauss or Minnie might be possibles but after the last 2 weeks I think the Lions players should be forgotten about completel. Limited is being nice
Cheetahs: Brussouw (who has lost a bit of his edge) and Ashley Johnson, also Juan Smith (but when will he be back from injury if ever?)
Sharks: Deysel (have yet to see him play for an extended period of time free of injury), Alberts (who has also lost some edge and seems a bit cumbersome nowadays), Keegan Daniel (not sure if he is Test material though), Kanko (but we know his limitations already), Marcell Coetzee (but not totally convinced by his energetic peformances – no doubt he flies into everything but one has to question – just how effective is he)
Stormers: Siya Kolisi (have to say he is one of my favourites at present. In the beginning I wasnt sure he had the size or ability but week in and out he is proving me wrong – tons of commitment and puts his tackles in solidly), Burger (but I dare say he´s a bit over the hill and the hanging around in the backline is killing me – I hate it), Elstadt (see him more as a loosie than lock nowadays – has potential but is a hothead and also prone to stufffing up regularly), Koster (possible but another injury prone character), Vermeulen (playing excellent rugby – such a pity he´s injured now, gets over the gainline regularly and works his *** off), Nizam Carr (was everywhere today – nothing flashy yet but I think given a chance he could prove to be something special)
Who to choose out of that lot as the Bok loosies (remember x 2 for each position) is a tough nut to crack. Based on performance thus far I´d have to pick these guys:
6 Brussouw
6 Kolisi
7 Alberts
7 Jacques Potgieter
8 Vermeulen
8 Ashley Johnson
but i´m a bit in two minds about a few of them.
28 Apr 2012, 23:04 pm
Sorry based on performance and making some allowance for adding a bit of experience hence adding in Brussouw and Alberts
28 Apr 2012, 23:07 pm
Brussow become a bit if a hero so lost some hunger but still class – time is right for brussow and alberts IMO – question is who is the 3rd – vermeulen is my choice but maybe too close too Alberts – don’t think so tjo most teams picking 2 big loosies – even froggies got picamoles
28 Apr 2012, 23:10 pm
If I had to pick a Bok team now again based on performance and experience it would be this so far:
1 Beast/ Greyling
2 Bismarck/ Chilliboy
3 Coenie Oosthuizen/ CJ van der Linde (only for experience and no-one is really great at the moment)
4 Etzebeth/ De Kock Steenkamp
5 Becker/ Juandre Kruger
6 Brussouw/ Kolisi
7 Alberts/ Jacques Potgieter
8 Vemeulen/ Ashley Johnson
9 Houghaard/ Sarel Pretorius
10 Morne Steyn/ Goosen
11 Habana/ Mvovo or Basson
12 Frans Steyn/ Jean de Villiers
13 Juan de Jongh/ Robert Ebersohn
14 Aplon/ JP Pietersen
15 Joe Pietersen/ Patrick Lambie
28 Apr 2012, 23:13 pm
Why is everyone picking coenie at TH? Must be playing there – that is a helluva big call – if England do us at the scrum could be the start of an ignominious series – boks can’t handle that.
28 Apr 2012, 23:26 pm
@cab(cab)-322: Yeah in a way I see Vermeulen as an ideal 7. Perhaps someone liek Jacques Potgieter might make a better 8. I´d say one needs speed off the back of the scrum as well as size – ideally – Spies has this but is soft. Kanko also has these attributes but also a powder puff. Koster seems like he could make a good 8 if given a longer run in the position perhaps.
28 Apr 2012, 23:27 pm
@cab(cab)-324: just out of desperation cos the rest are so k@k – Coenie played TH all through school and shifted there last year for Cheetahs in the CC – he want sto play TH to get in the bok team – but yeah aint gonna happen whilst Cheetahs need him and Wp on the field.
28 Apr 2012, 23:27 pm
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-325: Also Ashley Johnson has the right attributes for 8 and if I played him i´d play him at 8 not 7.
28 Apr 2012, 23:53 pm
it appears the cheetahs have been cheetered..
they did a similar thing to the hurricanes a few weeks back, now the reverse has happened..
why does SA have 5 teams in Super rugby? seriously, they obviously dont have the incredible depth to support such a scenario (though the blind on here will argue otherwise), yet SARU want a sixth team? reduce them to three I say, we antipodeans are sick of improving the standard of SA rugby by playing these weak SA teams….
no need to thank us though, just seeing the false dawn of many a SA supporter is all the reward we need..
28 Apr 2012, 23:57 pm
@willievz(willievz)-161:
Thats why the bulls invest in making sure the ref maak n’ plan for them.
29 Apr 2012, 00:06 am
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-329: come on, if you were a ref, and you seen rugby players that had to wear PINK uniforms, you’d feel awfully sorry for them too..
I mean Pink, seriously?
29 Apr 2012, 00:24 am
Potgieter too much glamour – he loves the pretoria ladies – nothing wrong but not what us needed – I say bring that neanderthal willie a and tell him to go mal.
29 Apr 2012, 00:28 am
Poppa come on man. Highlander are one of the top 3 Kiwi teams and they just squeaked past the Cheetahs. Cheetahs did ok on their tour and to be honest have been playing some damn entertaining rugby. With such limited resources at hand I think theyre doing pretty well.
Now Lions are a different story – those kiwi coaches cant even fix that bunch. Relegate them and as for the Kings – its a bloody joke. If we had to relegate at least one of your 5 teams then the Ozzies need to relegate at least 2 – the Waratahs although always in contention play the most awful NH rugby ever. The Force are bottom feeders of note. And the Rebels are a joke. So its not only Saffa teams. TBH theres always at least one Kiwi team of the 5 underperforming as well – so we should really all be sticking to a max of 4 teams probably 3 would be the most just.
Ozzies have the most teams in the last 5. SA has 3 teams in the top 7 along with NZ and Oz only one. I think youre certainly talking about the wrong country in terms of underperformers.
And our number 11 on the log team are at least playing entertaining rugby running most teams close and occasionally beating them. If they had to put the best of the Lions players in the mix with the Cheetahs then maybe they would start being more competitive – but to be honest there are probably only 5 or 6 decentish Lions players at the moment anyway.
29 Apr 2012, 00:29 am
@cab(cab)-331: Too much glamour? who cares he plays damn good rugby. lol
29 Apr 2012, 00:29 am
Yip from my mouth to gods wars but astride fk these knts will pick potgieter or spies or koster – the one who looks the part rather than is.
29 Apr 2012, 00:40 am
Jacques Potgieter is the part. His hits count – Marcell Coetzee fits into the looks the part scenario. He flies into every tackle and launches himself at the opposition with ball in hand but 9 times out of 10 is always stopped dead in his tracks.
Alberts does the business but he has been almost lazy of late. Not sure whats up with him. Just doesnt steamroll people like he used to.
Time will tell.
29 Apr 2012, 00:43 am
Poor choice of words -apologies – lack of a decent vocab – actually no just poor form.
29 Apr 2012, 00:45 am
@cab(cab)-336: lol no harm done. One thing for sure theres a fair bit of competition on for the loosie spots and it will be interesting to see who stands tallest by end of the Super rugby season and see how the guys perform (whoever gets picked) come England tests
29 Apr 2012, 00:48 am
Slumtown
the Cheetahs are my fav SA team, and I was just on the windup. don’t know how many times we hear of this incredible depth SA has. While you guys undoubtably have some very good players, I think a lot of SA fan over estimate this apparent depth.
I would prefer we go back to a super 12, with a 4 team split between the nations, though tbh I think a 3 Aus, 4 SA and 5 kiwi team comp would also work. some would say that’s my bias showing too, but every kiwi team has competed in a final before, so justification IMHO
Sanzar won’t do that though, and if SA still want to push for 6 teams, then SARU need to produce a two division 8 team model with playoffs for promotion/relegation
this would ensure much stronger competition on both divisions, whereby like versus like ensuring the overall products quality would be much improved.
29 Apr 2012, 00:52 am
each division would then play home and away = 14 games…
top two teams in each division play the final, hence first spot gets home advantage, then promotion relegation after the final could be a home and away scenario with aggregate points scored the decider
29 Apr 2012, 00:57 am
I see poops is back, only a matter of time before he has another mental breakdown.
Oh and by the way, AUS conference a lot weaker than SA. You talking about NZ depth? Well if SA adopted the pacific islanders like NZ do then we could put 8 teams on the field.
Cheers
29 Apr 2012, 00:58 am
True slummies
popps – get fkd my pal – there plenty depth and u know it
29 Apr 2012, 01:01 am
Just heard on the news that one patient escaped from the NZ mental hospital. This coincides with poops return.
Coincidence?
I think not
29 Apr 2012, 01:02 am
@NoRugbyGuru_0_(RugbyGuru_0_)-340: the old pacific islander routine? have you ever been to NZ? most of those players are BORN and bred in NZ, Auckland being the polynesian capital of the world..
I love it when people who have NO CLUE continue to spout this bullshit, it shows they simply live uin a little media fed bubble. I imagine you are the lead lemming just itching to fall over the cliff..
your nick should be Nofarkenbrains really…
@cab(cab)-341: hahahaha Cab, after your ASSERTIONS that the Bokke would win the WC, and your 8th place finish, I think we all know it shows this depth theory to be just that, all fkn theory..
got any more wonderful rugby predictions mate? your last one was rather pathetic..
29 Apr 2012, 01:07 am
@ poops,
Hand yourself back to the doctors, this site is poisoning you… Remember
Those polynesian boys in Auckland is making blues look very good this year. I reckon blues will win S15, what do you think or don’t you have TV at ward 4 special care unit
29 Apr 2012, 01:11 am
Coenie is a mother of a prop / dies everything aparty from scrum – also not sure he got thecgene for mixing it with men of his own size or bigger
29 Apr 2012, 01:11 am
@NoRugbyGuru_0_(RugbyGuru_0_)-344:
a hahahahaha
so funny, even your material is UNORIGINAL…
those blues you talk about, are 3 times Super rugby champions, STILL tied with the top SA team after 15 years, and they are only the second best NZ team when talking titles..
thanks for proving how very dumb you are, its blokes like you that perpetuate the whole Domkof Saffa stereotype..
you do it so effortlessly too, or is that just your racism itching to spew forth with your constant reference to PI’s..
youre not bobby Skinstad are you? you seem to have the sane racist tendencies..
29 Apr 2012, 01:15 am
Better look at these tannies in bham or I get meself into bother
29 Apr 2012, 01:18 am
“just your racism itching to spew forth with your constant reference to PI’s”
Where is my racist comment or constant reference?
I was referring to the player base NZ chose from poopsicle. Picking players from 4 different countries sure beats only picking from one or is this math too difficult for you?
Oh and what’s a “domkof”? Is that coconut slang?
29 Apr 2012, 01:21 am
God the pretty ones got no idea – right going home – too much entertainment for the brumbies.
29 Apr 2012, 01:25 am
Popps big fella, good to have u back – u more one-eyed than tactitus. A kiwi fkn tactitus who woulda guessed
29 Apr 2012, 01:25 am
@NoRugbyGuru_0_(RugbyGuru_0_)-348: again, from four different countries?
Bwahahahaha just proving how very stoopid you are… most are BORN and BRED in NZ, making them NZers..
like the Afrikaaner men who have Dutch heritage, they are still Saffas though arent they?
do you not understand or comprehend this rather SIMPLE point?
and theres that racism, “coconut slang” ??? well done racist, thanks for unequivocally proving my point on this thread..
if only youd spend 5 or 10 minutes and research the whole PI situation in NZ, but then that would fly in the face of your “argument”.. I doubt you even know what “research” means.. heres a hint, its not what the cops have to do to you again to assure themselves that you arent one of SA’s many. many, many criminals..
jou ma se ****..
29 Apr 2012, 01:27 am
@cab(cab)-350: nah Cab, tac only sees one team, I support all NZ teams against foreign opposition and would rather the ABs perform before any provincial side..
I think Tacs boyfriend wears pink, hence his overt adulation…
29 Apr 2012, 01:30 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-338: yeah I hear you – NZ teams are always competitive no doubt. I marvel at the skills sometimes. The Sa backline play in general leaves much to be desired.
29 Apr 2012, 01:32 am
@ poops,
Weren’t you born in SA? So you’re just stereotyped yourself… “Domkof”
You’ve obviously been given one big poesklap because you’ve lost your touch with reality.
As for the comment regarding my mother, its glad to see you still speak your home language.
I would respond by saying something about your mother but I’ve seen the photo you pasted here. You know the one with the flowers at the memorial.
I’m more man than you are
Its early hours here, good night and you not fooling me. I know which other names you blog under
29 Apr 2012, 01:32 am
Yep Popps i agree but u gotta enjoy that support.
Speaking of which, the blues r fkd, dunno if it’s it’s lammies fault buy he’s going to carry it with all the talent, that a real rugby man IMO,
29 Apr 2012, 01:34 am
Pat lam all heart – it’s not right.
29 Apr 2012, 01:36 am
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-353: there was a time when SA backs where electrifying with their play, a few moons ago now though, there seem to be a few more coming through again… I think the emphasis in SA on brawn limits their development somewhat, and not sure if NZ still have it, but I attribute a lot of the skills to the weight for age classification NZ rugby had/has for junior players..
you will naturally be more inclined to develop a step, run into a gap if you are competing against others that are a similar weight… when you are a light laatie competing against some of the bigger boys, it can discourage you from playing the game… just my opinion/
29 Apr 2012, 01:39 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-352: Same here I support all Saffa teams against foreign opposition with no clear favourites though at a push Id have to say Stormers and Cheetahs.
29 Apr 2012, 01:41 am
@cab(cab)-355: I think the whole organisation needs a cleanout mate… from CEO down… Lam has to shoulder some responsibility, but when you dont pick players from your catchment area like Laumanu (i think that was his name, promising 8 man from memory) to the point the uip and comers go overseas, then your management style is completely wrong..
I am expecting the blues to disrupt another kiwi teams chances at the playoffs though.. the NZ equivalent of the Cheetahs perhaps? it is painful to watch a union that represents NZs largest catchment area perform so poorly… we have had a few injuries to key men, but thats not an excuse id ever want to hear from the organisation..
we need to get rid of the deadwood in the playing ranks too…. there seems to be no desire, passion and intensity in the team…. something is definitely rancid within the organisation, and it is reflecting on the field..
29 Apr 2012, 01:46 am
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-358: Im a staunch patriot too in case you hadnt noticed
29 Apr 2012, 01:46 am
Nah blurs are equivalent of lions, my team, th capital, plenty moolah, at time unfkndefeatable – right now? Shite
29 Apr 2012, 01:50 am
@NoRugbyGuru_0_(RugbyGuru_0_)-354: oh do tell, which other names do I blog under????
hahaha I have never used another nick apart from the week after the WC win, I am no coward that needs to hide behind a nom de plume, I will confront you with the same nick Ive always used, and have always maintained that I would have a beer with anyone here who happened to get to Sydney, if they wanted to make something more of it after having a few brews with me, then i would also oblige..
as for you being more man than me, are you post op or pre op? or is it just the tuck under?
now go to bed, and beware the tokoloshe… as for your assumption that Afrikaans is my native tongue, you could not be more wrong… I simply try to absorb and appreciate different cultures, its also a mark of respect that I converse (even when insulting) by trying to use your native tongue… you should try it some time, it would actually make you this man you are trying to persuade everyone you are..
29 Apr 2012, 01:55 am
@cab(cab)-361: have to agree, it is disheartening watching our teams fumble from one defeat to the next, but looking forward to our teams playing each other…
anyways, must be off.
Cab and Slumtown, nice chatting rugby
Norugby_guru, I think it is indicative of how much I have gotten under the skin of many bloggers here by your insistance on coming at me with both fists slapping in your very first post… thanks for the validation mamparra..
29 Apr 2012, 02:00 am
Yip unfortunate as it is u can travel the world but the only other civilization that understands the importance of rugby is the kiwis – maybe the welsh but nit realy.
29 Apr 2012, 02:01 am
These tonsils just don’t get it – u van talkabout Birmingham city fc but nothing..,
29 Apr 2012, 02:13 am
@cab(cab)-365:
To be fair the Welsh also get it.
29 Apr 2012, 02:14 am
Just proves that Goosen should be the first name HM writes down.
29 Apr 2012, 02:16 am
@garth(garth)-367:
Won’t that be Matfield the new captain?
29 Apr 2012, 02:16 am
These knts pride themselves on heartvon sleave, no heart no sleave,let’s pretend tho it’s all of that, all orchestrated **** withbthe English – shame cos they nice ppl
29 Apr 2012, 02:19 am
@cab(cab)-369:
Have you on the sauce Cabbie?
29 Apr 2012, 02:22 am
Forwards:
Beast Biz Coenie
Etsebeth Bekker
Brussouw Vermeulen Burger (c)
Hougaard
Goosen
Le Roux Frans Ebersohn Aplon
Lambie
Unfortunately there is only one Bulls player in this team, so HM is not likely to get it right.
29 Apr 2012, 02:33 am
Yep greentea (nzinchina?) a bit – pisspoor effort
29 Apr 2012, 02:35 am
He can play the guitar just like ringing a bell – what a great fkn line
go jonny go
29 Apr 2012, 02:41 am
Time to go home – a nighton keo. – ****** almighty hey
I just cantvseemnyobget enough of you.
I just can’t hey enough – tho maybe. Can wit these prim and poroper do calked willed birdies lets see – night
good luck to pat lam – I cam see why they kept him on.
29 Apr 2012, 02:45 am
Oh man, that sucked. Cheetahs play 60 minutes of GOOD rugby, young 10 gets a season ender & the Highlanders win the game in 10 minutes. Unbelieveable.
Poor cheetahs, that has been what has been happening to the Highlanders for 5 years.
Will we beat the sharks next week?
29 Apr 2012, 02:53 am
I appear to be fkd, but so clear oh so gdam clear – muffie v nice gnite
29 Apr 2012, 03:13 am
disappointed by that kick from ehberson. the whole season he has shown poor body language on the pitch and this was ultimately his downfall.
instead of being a team player, he let his battle between himself and goosen get into his head. well guess what mate, GOOSEN IS BETTER THAN YOU.
so dont farrkin complain that ur sitting on the bench, as after that game, the bench is what u deserve. improve ur attitude, stopping sulking every game or find a new team!
as for Goosen, this guy is Great! brings good attitude, brings the ball to the gain line. can step, run, tackle, pass and has good tactical acumen. However, i am worried his great style of play will be hampered at the Boks. Goosen enjoys quick offloads out of the ruck and a fast game style. unfortunatly, the Boks are going to revert to their stupid kick and chase and his talent will be wasted immediently. adding on to that, he will have a uncoordinated forward pack led by spies who cant even give him gainline ball
29 Apr 2012, 05:21 am
@garth(garth)-371: As someone not biased towards any province (non Saffa) that’s the form Springbok XV so far.
29 Apr 2012, 06:16 am
What a nightmare for the cheetahs,they should easily be in the top 6 at the moment.Their lapses in concentration seem to punish them horrendously,all teams have lapses but none seem to get pumped as badly as the Cheetahs do for there’s.
Aus and kiwi teams picking up bonus points at will in SA at the moment ,very disturbing,Stormers need to start scoring tries for those bonus points wins alone will not do at this stage of the tournament if they want to get top spot.
29 Apr 2012, 07:13 am
@DAS(DAS)-378:
Don’t think so, DAS.
Beast only returned to play yeaterday. He is yet to show us what “form” he is in.
Bissie’s “form” is not better than that of Chilliboy or Strauss.
Coenie plays at LH so his “form” at TH can’t be determined.
Schalk’s “form” is questionable since he hasn’t played for quite a while now.
Lambie plays at 10 for the Sharks so his “form” at 15 is unknown.
Le Roux is not in better “form” than Habana.
29 Apr 2012, 07:42 am
Le Roux is miles ahead of Habana and has one talent that he’ll never be able to learn… a step.
29 Apr 2012, 10:26 am
@nama1(nama1)-380: add to that De Jongh is right up there with Ebersohn too. At 8 going on form i´d rather play Ashley Johnson now that Vermeulen is crocked. He has speed and size. And at 15 what about Joe Pietersen – if we´re talking about form. Some guys are not seeing whats going on on the field if you ask me. I´d also find a place for Jacques Potgieter in my squad.
29 Apr 2012, 11:17 am
@garth(garth)-381:
You probably have the Habana of 2010/2011 in mind. The 2012 version is playing very, very good rugby.
@Slumtown(Slumtown)-382:
Agree.
29 Apr 2012, 11:50 am
Look at the way he stuffed up an open try yesterday. He has improved, but still not where the best in SA. That is Le Roux
29 Apr 2012, 15:51 pm
@garth(garth)-384:
The try was awarded, wasn’t it? How did he stuff it up then?
Agree with you on the side step issue but then again, Habana became the premier try scorer for the Boks without ever being able to step.
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