Stormers call on Canadian loosie
9 May 2012
Canadian Test loose forward Jebb Sinclair has been drafted into the Stormers squad and will play off the bench against the Cheetahs this Saturday.
Coach Allister Coetzee said on Monday that plans to bring Francois Louw to Cape Town had failed, but promised that the search for another experienced loose forward would continue.
The Stormers have struggled with injuries in the loose forward department, and desperately needed somebody to offset the losses of Schalk Burger, Duane Vermeulen and Nick Koster.
Coetzee revealed that it was initially hoped that both Sinclair and Louw would join the Stormers, but he is nevertheless happy to have secured Sinclair’s services for the remainder of the Super Rugby league stage.
Sinclair won’t be available for the play-offs, as the tournament rules stipulate that players need to have registered with a team before 1 April in order to be eligible for knockout games.
The 1.93m, 111kg forward will travel back to Canada to play for the Canucks during the June Test window, and then link up with the Stormers again for their three remaining league matches. By this time, players like Koster and Burger should also be back from injury.
‘We’ve lost two No 8 options, and I wanted to find an experienced replacement,’ said Coetzee when asked why he didn’t promote one of the Vodacom Cup players. ‘I had to look around and I’m happy that Jebb is the kind of guy that will do a good job.
‘That has always been the issue, we were always looking for an experienced No 8 once we knew Duane and Nick would be unavailable. Nizaam Carr has done a good job but he is still inexperienced, and there is a tough set of matches coming up, we want to be well covered.
‘A guy like Nick Fenton-Wells has played No 8 in the Vodacom Cup, but at Super Rugby level you need more of a specialist, and Jebb has also played rugby at the highest level.’
Apart from playing 25 Tests for Canada, the 25-year-old loose forward has enjoyed a stint at English club London Irish.
Sinclair arrived in Cape Town on Wednesday morning, and will wear the No 19 jersey in Saturday’s match against the Cheetahs. Coetzee doesn’t believe Sinclair will struggle to adapt to the Stormers’ structures in such a short time.
‘It’s been done before. We did it a couple of seasons ago when Matt Toomua joined us a couple of days before a Currie Cup game. Tamati Ellison also did it earlier in the season when he played for the Highlanders a couple of days after returning from Japan.’
Meanwhile, Eben Etzebeth’s return could be the most timely ahead of physical clash against the Cheetahs.
Etzebeth missed the Stormers’ last tour fixture against the Force with a shoulder injury, but has recovered sufficiently to take his place in the second row for this weekend’s encounter. His return is certain to provide the Stormers pack with more clout, and that lock combination does look more balanced with Etzebeth partnering a specialist No 5 like Andries Bekker.
Other changes to the forwards see Deon Fourie coming in for Tiaan Liebenberg at hooker as Coetzee looks to rotate some players. Brok Harris replaces tighthead Frans Malherbe, who started against the Force two weeks ago.
In the backs, Jean de Villiers has overcome a wrist injury to take his place at No 12 and lead the side. His return sees Juan de Jongh shifting one position out to No 13 and Bryan Habana moving back to the wing. Gio Aplon is also back from injury and will replace Gerhard van den Heever.
Stormers – 15 Joe Pietersen, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Jean de Villiers (c), 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Peter Grant, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage, 8 Nizaam Carr, 7 Rynhardt Elstadt, 6 Siya Kolisi, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Brok Harris, 2 Deon Fourie, 1 Steven Kitshoff.
Subs: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Frans Malherbe, 18 De Kock Steenkamp, 19 Jebb Sinclair, 20 Louis Schreuder, 21 Burton Francis, 22 Gerhard van den Heever.
By Jon Cardinelli
189 Comments
9 May 2012, 12:17 pm
so JC.. now we have 2 etzebeth threads…
how sensible is that…?
can’t you guys coordinate them…? have the video and your piece on the same thread…
anyway…
9 May 2012, 12:17 pm
Future Springbok legend Dragons!
9 May 2012, 12:18 pm
9 May 2012, 12:18 pm
saw this piece on news24…
quite unbelievable that an amateur can play at this level these days…
quite astounding that wp did not sign him…
Cape Town – Western Province flank Rohan Kitshoff is set to leave the union to play for French Top-14 club Bordeaux Bègles.
According to Die Burger, Kitshoff played as an amateur the past few years as he never had a contract with Western Province.
However, WP coach John Dobson says Kitshoff is far from amateur.
“We are losing an unbelievable person, a hardened and brilliant professional sportsman,” said Dobson.
Kitshoff, 26, excelled as a ball-poacher for WP in last year’s Currie Cup before he represented Namibia in the World Cup in New Zealand.
His absence cost WP dearly, as they lost possession on the ground 100 times over a four game period.
He’s also had a big influence on WP making the semi-finals of this year’s Vodacom Cup, but has largely been overlooked by the Stormers coaches.
“He has thus far scored the second most tries (6) in the Vodacom Cup and was our Player of the Match a couple of times.
“But he’s getting married soon and one can’t pay the bills and plan a future if you have to play as an amateur,” said Dobson.
WP take on the Pumas in the Vodacom Cup semi-finals at Newlands on Saturday.
9 May 2012, 12:19 pm
@Uncle Oswald(uncle oswald)-3:
sheesh sorry man…
just pretend mine wasn’t there…
9 May 2012, 12:22 pm
Very happy to see Etzebeth back for the Cheetahs game,not so sure about starting Deon Fourie ahead of teabag against a formidable Cheetahs front row tho’.
9 May 2012, 12:27 pm
I believe that Jean is the captain and not Bekker.
Who is Jebb Sinclair(19)?
9 May 2012, 12:31 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-7:
Jebb is a canadian who plays for london irish,bought in to cover at loosie for the next few games,not elegible to play for stormers if they make the play offs.
9 May 2012, 12:37 pm
@Superbru(Superbru)-8:
Thanks, they certainly moved quickly to get a cover after the Louw negotiations failed.
9 May 2012, 12:38 pm
They should have got the other bearded Canuck – Adam Kleeberger.
9 May 2012, 12:44 pm
Jebb wie…?
9 May 2012, 12:47 pm
of all the loose forwards in the world… how the heck do we get jebb sinclair…? how good, bad or indifferent is he…? what is his claim to fame..? why him as opposed to a hundred others we’ve at least heard of before…???
9 May 2012, 12:48 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-10:
for sure…
9 May 2012, 12:51 pm
hehehe…
katman… wiki has a pic of jebb… he looks like kleeburgers big bro…
Jebb Sinclair (born 4 August 1986) is a Canadian rugby union player. Sinclair plays as a flanker but can also provide cover in the second row. Jebb made his debut for the Canadian national rugby team against Portugal while on Canada’s 2008 tour of Europe.
9 May 2012, 12:52 pm
Maybe the pay strike thing is a bit more serious than it has been admitted to.
Why has so much talent left the Western Cape,now they are bringing in loosies from Canada for fuchsakes,
Think of guys they lost like Diak, Melk,Louw and Louw
**** man when you can’t make a deal to bring Flo Louw with his Western Province family connections,back something is rotten in that camp.
And Coetzee really knows how to inspire his troops re that quote above on Carr,he really must feel good knowing the coach has full faith in him.
I sense the wheels coming off here,smells like it did when Schalk Brits was rushed back to make his disasterous appearance in the ill fated semi last year.
9 May 2012, 12:54 pm
check out jebb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siNOW8OXDms
9 May 2012, 12:55 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-9:
Yep,Carr has done well at 8,don’t think the coach has enough trust in Nick F Wells at loosie.Jebb is a hard man,and brings something different,international experience too.
9 May 2012, 12:56 pm
I can’t see why Kitshoff could not provide adequate cover.
There is no loosie crisis in WP / Stormers.
9 May 2012, 12:57 pm
@ufo(ufo)-14: Looks a bit Armish…hope that’s not an indication of his aggression at the breakdown
9 May 2012, 12:57 pm
Why isnt JDV captain? Tiaan on the bench….probably wants to be on the field when his brother is on the field so that he can give a snotklap!
Why isnt JDV playing 13?
9 May 2012, 12:59 pm
AC was looking for a big tall 8th man to cover.
If Nizaam is as good as everyone says he is (and I have no reason to doubt that) then he’ll just be injury cover until Schalk and Koster are back.
Looking at the team the only thing that is stopping this from being a pretty much full strength team is Carr 9as good as they say he is he’s no Duanne-yet) and Fourie in for tiaan, which is actually quite a problem at the set pieces.
Having said that if he can’t find Bekker he doesn’t deserve to even be playing rugby,
9 May 2012, 13:01 pm
@willievz(willievz)-18: Kitshoff is off to France to pay for his wedding.
9 May 2012, 13:01 pm
@Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-19:
check the youtube bud…
plenty of aggression there…
9 May 2012, 13:02 pm
@willievz(willievz)-18:
agree with you…
only thing i can think of is that wp are playing the VC semi on saturday and they don’t want to give away any chances of losing now…
9 May 2012, 13:03 pm
how did the schalk britz @ flank experiment work last year AC?
9 May 2012, 13:03 pm
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-20: JdV is captain?
9 May 2012, 13:04 pm
@Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-19: Armish as in Amish or Armish as in Army-ish?
@willievz(willievz)-18: Agreed. The whole thing makes WP look amateurish. Kitshoff is also an International.
In the backs, Jean de Villiers has overcome a wrist injury to take his place at No 12 and lead the side (sic) Its not nice to lie JC.
9 May 2012, 13:04 pm
Jean is Captain, it is only here that they decided he is not captain. Bekker is VC
9 May 2012, 13:06 pm
@Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-26: @Obronie(Obronie)-28: Thanks guys
You are an idiot JC.
9 May 2012, 13:06 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-21:
nizaam is good but has only started one super rugby match… and it only get’s tougher and tighter from here on out… so i have no prob with AC being cautious with him…
just surprised by who they got in…
@Superbru(Superbru)-8:
why would he not be okayed for the play-offs…? (if we make them) wasn’t the qualification four matches prior to play-offs…?
9 May 2012, 13:07 pm
@ufo(ufo)-23: Dan is ek baie bly, we need him to have mongrell – he is a big dude. Let’s hope for the best
9 May 2012, 13:08 pm
@ufo(ufo)-24:
Good point,why unsettle a very settled team?
9 May 2012, 13:09 pm
@ufo(ufo)-30: AC is wise in this, but it is a surprise. Great oppertunity for Jebb also. Sure he would love to be invited back. If he’s anything like the ’95 Canada clan, he will be a monster
9 May 2012, 13:11 pm
@Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-31:
hehehe
here’s hoping…
@Superbru(Superbru)-32:
yeah… imagine if they got knocked out now…? then that whole province chocker thing begins with them too…
rather win the VC and then these young players will be recognized by their opponents as as winners as they progress through their careers…
9 May 2012, 13:11 pm
@ufo(ufo)-30:
Had to be registered to play super rugby before 1 april in order to be legible for playoffs.
9 May 2012, 13:13 pm
@ufo(ufo)-30: I am too. In the article it suggests that theu wanted both him and FLo. So he may have been coming regardless.
Who knows, lets have a look on the weekend
I see Elgar Watts has been called up to the Cheetahs squad as cover.
9 May 2012, 13:14 pm
@Bismarck Burger(Bismarck Burger)-33:
absolutely… may not always agree with his choices… but i’m a big AC fan… and he certainly knows more from the inside than what we see from the outside…
covering at lock too he is indeed a big unit… and those short clips show him running and handling quite well…
another thing to look forward to on saturday…!
9 May 2012, 13:16 pm
Jebb is a bus, but they backed younsgters like Siya and Nizaam, why not back Kitshoff or Fenton Wells to?
Interesting…
Couldnt they get someone like Pieter Louw, Ernst Joubert or Robbie Diack?
9 May 2012, 13:16 pm
@Superbru(Superbru)-35:
oh okay… cool…
thanks
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-36:
for sure… gonna be interesting…
good for elgar… hope he gets onto the park at some stage…
9 May 2012, 13:20 pm
@WP_(WP_)-38:
the VC team hasn’t lost a game all season… rohan has been a star according to dobbo… playing semi’s on saturday… i can see why he’d rather hang onto kitshoff…
ditto fenton-wells… the captain…
9 May 2012, 13:20 pm
must get to newlands early and watch the vc game too…
9 May 2012, 13:21 pm
Anyone with a beard like that and a name like Jebb is OK with me.
i wonder if he wears high heels,
Suspendies, and a bra.
and wishes he’d been a girlie,
Just like his dear Papa……….
9 May 2012, 13:23 pm
@ufo(ufo)-40: Yeah it i suppose it makes sense for Dobbo tohang onto them in the quest for a trophy…
It’s not like we’ve had a bucketful of those recently…
9 May 2012, 13:26 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-42: Jebb v Josh Strauss would be an interesting one
9 May 2012, 13:27 pm
@WP_(WP_)-43:
exactly… take them wherever we can get them… (if we get them)
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-42:
check out the canadian beardos…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-r2sCU71p8&feature=related
9 May 2012, 13:27 pm
@ufo(ufo)-24: @Sasuke(Sasuke)-27:
It’s also my understanding that Kitshoff was never contracted, or alternatively put, played as an amateur?
That leaves much to be desired.
Anyways, I think you might have a point with the VC team. And boy, does WP need a trophy
Seen from an economic perspective, a Canadian international’s labour won’t be expensive in a Super 15 labour market. And union / franchise such as WP / Stormers that struggles financially needs to manage its funds carefully.
However, it would still have been cheaper to employ either Kitshoff or Fenton-Wells.
9 May 2012, 13:28 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-22:
So I heard.
Good move on his side, giving an up yours to an employer who makes use of cheap labour.
9 May 2012, 13:29 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-42:
liked the monty python too…
9 May 2012, 13:32 pm
I read that Kitshoff article in Die Burger this morning and have noticed that Dobson can’t give enough praise to Kitshoff – he was a few times man of the match. My question now is, if Dobson thinks he is that good why was Stormers (WP Rugby) never interested in him? He was part of the 40 or 100 man Stormer group in December.
If they need a big nr7, what about Lobberts. UFO I think you have a point, WP is very serious this year about winning something and they do not want to use of the “B” team star players in Vodacom Cup.
I saw Pieter Louw jogging on Monday night – he looks now bigger than before. I unfortunately do not know if he still plays rugby.
9 May 2012, 13:34 pm
@willievz(willievz)-46:
yeah commented on that at top of thread…
hehehe
and don’t we just…!!
i’d just like to know the six degrees of kevin bacon that connected AC to Jebb… seems a strange choice… but will give AC the benefit here…
9 May 2012, 13:37 pm
I get the distinct impression that the WPRU just don’t rate Kitshoff higher than VC level.
I must say nothing I’ve ever seen from him suggests otherwise too..
9 May 2012, 13:39 pm
@Jonck(Jonck)-49:
yeah they are…
i was told before the world cup that ‘all’ the senior stormers were going to come back this year and put in a real huge effort to finally win something… that’s why it was such a surprise that jaque left… but you can’t expect anyone to turn that sort of life security down…
it’s also why i was confident before the season started that bryan would turn things around this year… he’s put in massive time and effort…
was a pity that pLo wasn’t retained… really liked him…
hope he is still playing somewhere…
9 May 2012, 13:39 pm
@ufo(ufo)-48: Thanks
9 May 2012, 13:49 pm
@ufo(ufo)-45: Seem like a decent bunch, those Canucks. And even their accents are far more palatable than the average American drawl.
9 May 2012, 13:50 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-51:
i liked the look of him and his style of play too in the games he played last year… reminds me a lot of heirich brussow… not saying is as good or close to as good as heinrich… but plays a very similar game… so if it’s fetchers we need always thought he would be a good option…
but there’s obviously something more to the plot that we don’t know… maybe because he can’t play for the boks and they don’t want to hold back the younger guys…
i know it seems a contradiction with them now calling on jebb… but they couldn’t have known just how things would unfold this season…
all the injuries on the one hand… an on de udder hand darren… the vc team doing so well…
so we’ll just have to wait and see how it turns out…
9 May 2012, 13:52 pm
@ufo(ufo)-55: Ja, I guess in the big scheme of things it’s not like we can influence it in any way so we may as well sit back and enjoy the show.
9 May 2012, 13:53 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-54:
for sure katman…
they don’t appear to take themselves as seriously as the yanks…
reckon it’s gonna be an eye-opener for jebb to play at newlands with such support…!!
9 May 2012, 13:54 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-51: Perhaps.
But two points to consider:
1. Why not find out if that suspicion (that his ability has a ceiling) holds true in practice?
This was an ideal opportunity to give another young player exposure on a higher plane. Any WP loosie already has an edge over any Canadian international or Saracens hooker regarding defensive systems, attacking lines, etc.
2. Why recruit another player for the short term if he will not be involved in the later stages of the competition? That equates to spending time, money and other resources on human capital that will leave your shores and on which you will see no return in future.
Anycase, I don’t know the ins and outs of the decision to bring Sinclair to Cape Town, but from what I’ve seen at the WC, I am sure there are other domestic alternatives that could do a similar “cover” job with similar if not better aplomb.
Kleeberger – well, now that is an entirely different conversation.
9 May 2012, 13:58 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-56:
yeah… and what a show it promises to be…!!
more importantly…
i really hope nizaam has an absolute blinder… i think this is going to be a game tailor-made for him…
his speed, skills and linking are all perfect for the sort of game the cheetahs play…
i hope he doesn’t disappoint…
don’t think he will…
9 May 2012, 14:02 pm
‘We’ve lost two No 8 options, and I wanted to find an experienced replacement,’ said Coetzee when asked why he didn’t promote one of the Vodacom Cup players. ‘I had to look around and I’m happy that Jebb is the kind of guy that will do a good job.
‘That has always been the issue, we were always looking for an experienced No 8 once we knew Duane and Nick would be unavailable. Nizaam Carr has done a good job but he is still inexperienced, and there is a tough set of matches coming up, we want to be well covered.
‘A guy like Nick Fenton-Wells has played No 8 in the Vodacom Cup, but at Super Rugby level you need more of a specialist, and Jebb has also played rugby at the highest level
This is why Kitshoff was not looked at, he is a specialist opensider, he can’t cover 7 or 8. This guy is similar to Duane in size and can cover 7 and 4 as well. I think these are the reasons Kitshoff has not found his way into the Stormers team. I do believe that they should have given him a go at 6 off the bench, just to see his aptitude at Super 15 level.
9 May 2012, 14:06 pm
Stormers fans are such whores,this guy is so good that not one of you had even heard of him before today.
Yet you are so desperate that you are already claiming him as the second coming of Schalk Burger.
I thought that kid Carr was the standout player against the Force ,showed so much more than that wanker Koster.
And you lot would see him replaced by a Canadian, I mean Canada is a serious rugby nation.
Why don’t you revisit the you tube s of that great Fijian wing you had a season ago
He looked great before he came to Province as well.
Maybe Coetzee should pay his players a little money a nd a little more loyalty.
9 May 2012, 14:06 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-54:
Give me American drawl anytime.
Call it Swing,
Call it Country,
or Western
Call it hip hop.
rap.
funk,
call it gospel.
Blues.
Call it rock,
or rock and roll.
Call it bluegrass,
Big Band,
Dixieland,
Punk,
Jazz,
or
Soul,
In fact almost every-kind of progressive drawl since Beethoven.
9 May 2012, 14:11 pm
@Kritik(Krit)-60:
good points…
9 May 2012, 14:13 pm
@cane(cane)-62: When the average Yank gets to voice his or her opinion into a microphone, nine out of ten times it’s going to be a grating, irritating ordeal. Not all the accents, but particularly the nasal, pretentious West Coast dialects. It’s probably a combination of the accent and the deluded sense of self importance that they carry with them that rubs the katman up all wrong.
Give me the Canucks any day of the week.
9 May 2012, 14:18 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-54: Can you notice the difference between Canadians and Americans? I can’t.
I am proud to announce that I am getting better at distinguishing Kiwis from Aussies though
9 May 2012, 14:19 pm
Jinne mad eye are you always so woes
9 May 2012, 14:19 pm
@Kritik(Krit)-60:
There is no such thing as a specialist 8 in modern rugby.
It is the one position which can accommodate very different kind of players.
9 May 2012, 14:25 pm
@willievz(willievz)-65: There are at least half a dozen major American accents, many of them with their own subdivisions. And Canadian accents sound quite different from them.
9 May 2012, 14:27 pm
bite my hesd off but why not recruit Puke Watson, how bad could he be, unless hes injured or unavailable, he has played at this level for years
9 May 2012, 14:28 pm
@dreus(dreus)-69: Because Puke has been reborn as the King of Kings.
9 May 2012, 14:29 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-68: I know.
But…
They all sound the same to me
9 May 2012, 14:29 pm
@willievz(willievz)-65:
many canadians prounce “about” as “aboot”
some don’t…
9 May 2012, 14:30 pm
pronounce…
9 May 2012, 14:32 pm
so much for academy and vodofone cup
typical WP attitude – bringing in canadian
WHY not a kiwi???
9 May 2012, 14:32 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-68:
worst of them for me is the boston one…
9 May 2012, 14:36 pm
@ufo(ufo)-75: Buzztin
9 May 2012, 14:43 pm
@willievz(willievz)-76:
exactly… very grating…
but the strangest one of the lot is the cajun swamp people… with their french ancestry it sounds like a whole other language and you can’t understand them…
i once asked two of them what language they were speaking…?
the looks on their faces…?! i think they thought i was mocking them…
‘Merican they growled back…
i had flashes of Deliverance and me squealing like a pig.. got the hell outta there…!!
9 May 2012, 14:45 pm
@ufo(ufo)-77:
they made jebb and kleeburger look like nice clean-cut boys…!!
9 May 2012, 14:46 pm
@willievz(willievz)-71: Check this vid out. Her accents aren’t too bad. You’ll have to sit through the UK and Euro stuff before you get to the North American accents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UgpfSp2t6k
9 May 2012, 14:46 pm
@ufo(ufo)-75: Yes I cant stand when Boston Rob speaks on Survivor.
9 May 2012, 14:47 pm
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-80:
me too… but his is not as bad as some…
9 May 2012, 14:53 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-79:
talented lady…!!
9 May 2012, 14:59 pm
Kitsoff 20
Etzebeth 20
Kolisi 20
Carr 21
Malherbe 21
Ntubeni 21
Elstadt 22
Koster 23
Fourie 25
Vermeulen 25
Steenkamp 25
Harris 27
Bekker 28
Burger 29
Liebenber 30
Carstens 32
With such a young pack, and Vermeulen, Koster and Burger out as number 8 options, it is perfectly understandable to get some experienced backup for the young Carr.
And Carr is still starting, so relax people.
9 May 2012, 15:00 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-61:
Your comments are so ridiculous I won’t even bother typing a serious reply.
9 May 2012, 15:04 pm
This has to be about not wanting to disturb the momentum of the WP VC squad.
Otherwise, surely someone like Hilton Lobberts would be an option?
He is the type of player Coetzee has defined he needs for the rest of the league stage.
Plus he has Super rugby experience.
Hell, he even has test experience (okay only 1 cap, if I recall. But still…)
Lobberts has always had raw power but was unfit and his skills were poor.
Province powers-that-be seemed to have worked on him a bit.
Sure, they’ve been retreading him into a 4 lock, but no doubt he can still play blindside and he KNOWS THE STRUCTURES AND THE PLAYERS.
?
9 May 2012, 15:06 pm
@puff(puff)-85: Ja, could be I guess. But they are looking for a solid 8, who will provide experienced guidance and backup to the bunch of 21 year old’s starting.
I don’t know if Lobberts is that player.
9 May 2012, 15:06 pm
Whats ridiculous,the public denial of a pay strike,the exodous of talented players,the incredible injury rate,the 5 th captain of the season,or the recruitment of a Canadian player out of the U.K.
Seems like the fragile wheels are coming off again.
9 May 2012, 15:16 pm
UFO @ 77.Very clever.Very funny.
9 May 2012, 15:16 pm
Ja, I smell another Nakkallievoekie here.
9 May 2012, 15:17 pm
Hello Dawn
Hope you are well.
9 May 2012, 15:19 pm
That sounds as if the Stormers made an out of deperation move?
The upside for them is that loose forwards such as Carr & Kolisi hardly ever get injured,,
9 May 2012, 15:22 pm
@ryecatcher(ryecatcher)-88:
hehehe…
pretty scary too…
9 May 2012, 15:24 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-89:
as long as he doesn’t give penalties away in the dying moments of the game…
@wpjoulekkading(wpjoulekkading)-83:
good to remind everyone… nizaam is starting… maybe jebb doesn’t even get onto the field… or maybe at lock…
9 May 2012, 15:34 pm
The point here is not if Carr is worth his place, it’s the fool coach opening his big mouth and saying that he doesn’t think he is good enough to play against the Cheetahs.
9 May 2012, 15:34 pm
@ufo(ufo)-93: Also, when Todd Clever played no-one complained.
9 May 2012, 15:37 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-94: yet he selects him to start the game, how ironic.
9 May 2012, 15:38 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-94:
Did you even read the article properly?
Coetzee was talking about Nick Fenton-Wells, who is not an 8 but a 6 and has only played a few games for WP at 8 in the Vodacom Cup.
Carr is starting, Jebb is on the bench.
9 May 2012, 15:41 pm
That one mad eye is squint
9 May 2012, 15:42 pm
Reminds me of the craziest guy in the crazy house
9 May 2012, 15:43 pm
We, of course, don’t have accents.
9 May 2012, 15:45 pm
Watsup rye howzit at Shady Pines today
9 May 2012, 15:48 pm
@wpjoulekkading(wpjoulekkading)-95:
exactly… another good point…
but don’t expect the mentally challenged to appreciate the comparison…
9 May 2012, 15:48 pm
@stormer in a teacup(stormer in a teacup)-100:
hahaha
of course…
9 May 2012, 15:54 pm
Dawne do you ever type anything longer than 5 words or is that the full extent of your concentration.
You kinda remind me of one of Marge Simpson’s sisters all nicotine and gin.
9 May 2012, 15:57 pm
Dawn @ 101
All well here.Play eye games with the ladies at the retirement village
9 May 2012, 16:00 pm
Stormers are making a mistake brining Jean D V back into 12. He should be trying for 13. The stormers backs look far more aggresive with de Jong sitting at 12. His inside step creats far more space for the outside backs! Besides, hasnt Heyneke hinted to a possible de Villiers 13???
As much as I rate Jean de Villiers, de Jong has shown him up at every opertunity.
9 May 2012, 16:00 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-91: Hondo you are correct, they are as tough as nails.
9 May 2012, 16:04 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-66: mal oor is returning serve
9 May 2012, 16:06 pm
@SpearTackle(hardcore)-106: do you recall heyneke as coach he ever moving players because the national coach suggested it?
9 May 2012, 16:09 pm
Chuck Norris was born May 6, 1945. The Nazis surrendered May 7, 1945.
Coincidence?
9 May 2012, 16:09 pm
Hey Tranny/Vrede what does 109 mean
9 May 2012, 16:09 pm
**** Me! For a country with so much rugby depth (so I read ad infinitum on this site), why do the Stormers need to import a Canuck????
(Actions always speak louder than words, they say).
9 May 2012, 16:10 pm
@John1976(John1976)-107:
good one…
9 May 2012, 16:18 pm
Dawn @ 101
Shady Pines seriously.funny.
They would never allow me in a place like that.As Mr Bo Jangles
sang from his jail cell “I drinks a bit you see”
9 May 2012, 16:20 pm
@wpjoulekkading(wpjoulekkading)-95: todd clever played currie cup and super rugby, he showed his mettle at the coal face and earned his stripes…
jibber jebber is a bolter from left field. jj gagiano plays for the hawks but can’t make super rugby squad and was earlier rumoured to be training with the lions to cover their injury crisis. is sinclar better than gagiano?
9 May 2012, 16:22 pm
@ryecatcher(ryecatcher)-114:
great song rye…!!
9 May 2012, 16:23 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-115: Well, you say Gagiano is training with the Lions to cover their injury crisis. So maybe the Lions didn’t want to let him go.
9 May 2012, 16:24 pm
Jeb Sinclair:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVbdtMsdlBc
Shocking defense, but the guy doesn’t look too bad.
9 May 2012, 16:25 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-112: could it be because the other players are contracted to the 4 other franchises or in europe?
#jusaskin
9 May 2012, 16:27 pm
@wpjoulekkading(wpjoulekkading)-117: that was early in march, i haven’t heard that they’ve signed him.
9 May 2012, 16:28 pm
so the lions can select an american to cover their loose forward crisis…
but the stormers can’t select a canuck to cover their loose forward crisis…
what have you got against canadians…??
9 May 2012, 16:32 pm
What about giving one of your Under-20′s a go – a la Liam Gill, etc.
You’ve got the talent. You’ve got the best and most in the world. I keep reading about it on this site….
9 May 2012, 16:33 pm
@ufo(ufo)-102: @wpjoulekkading(wpjoulekkading)-118: for your sakes i hope you haven’t bought a Andy Skullet Goode like the Guppys
9 May 2012, 16:36 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-123:
well, he’s only temping for us…
and can’t see it being a permanent thing like goode… once our looses come back from injury he wouldn’t get a game…
9 May 2012, 16:37 pm
Or perhaps in all reality, the pool is a bit shallow???
Having to go and get a Canuck really underlines, bolds and italicises why SA should never get a 6th S15 team. You see – you just don’t have the talent to support one.
QED
9 May 2012, 16:37 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-122:
There are FOUR 21 year olds (and a 22 year old) starting in the forward pack on Saturday.
There is another 21 year old prop on the bench.
You want them to select school kids as well?
Stormers (and SA rugby) is in great shape.
9 May 2012, 16:40 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-122: yeah, keep up the winding
this is super rugby not tiddlywinks, why did the highlanders call up tamati ellison and delany when their centre and five eighths stocks were depleted?
pipe down billy 8)
9 May 2012, 16:40 pm
UFO @116
As sung by the Immortal(now dead) Sammy Davies Jr.
Oxymorons abound.
Apologies for frequently no confining comments to rugby.
9 May 2012, 16:40 pm
@wpjoulekkading(wpjoulekkading)-126:
But how can this be? You have so many players, and so much depth in SA rugby….
9 May 2012, 16:41 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-125:
You are just out for trouble.
Every year some very talented players leave for Europe, simply because they can’t find a place in the SA sides. Of course now they are all signed in Europe, so they can’t just drop everything and come help the Stormers cover for a few weeks.
If Australia can have 5 sides, SA can have 6 EASILY.
9 May 2012, 16:41 pm
No = not
9 May 2012, 16:41 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-127:
Well Trannie – at least they were Kiwis. Not a lumberjack amongst them…
9 May 2012, 16:41 pm
what happend to the depth?
this is the serious part of the comp and depth is needed.
9 May 2012, 16:42 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-129:
Where are you from little man and what is your problem?
The Springboks will dominate world rugby for then next 4-5 years at least. You heard it first here.
9 May 2012, 16:42 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-122: can you not READ? check the loose trio that played and WON against the force!
elstadt
kolisi
carr
now billy, check how old they are!
are you a keewee?
9 May 2012, 16:43 pm
@wpjoulekkading(wpjoulekkading)-130:
Of course I am! Isn’t everyone on this site?
“If Australia can have 5 sides, SA can have 6 EASILY.”
On that logic, NZ can have 10, and we’ll call it a Super 21!
9 May 2012, 16:44 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-125: wind up merchant
9 May 2012, 16:44 pm
@ryecatcher(ryecatcher)-128:
his version is excellent…
i also like the version of the writer… jerry jeff walker…
don’t stress about it… very few people do stick to only rugby…
adds flavor… and we could all benefit from some wise words from you anyway…!!
9 May 2012, 16:47 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-132: nothing less about it.
9 May 2012, 16:47 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-136:
Yeah right. The years of NZ dominance in super rugby are over.
In the last 5 years semi-finalists:
SA 5
NZ 3
Aus 2
So hang on to those glory years, they are going to recede further and further into the past.
9 May 2012, 16:49 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-133: pipe down Fernly, your sharks brought in Skullet!
9 May 2012, 16:50 pm
ufo
did you listen to cold plays tribute to adam yauch of the beastie boys?
they sang “you gotto fight for your right to party” their way
i am still indifferent to the version.
nice gesture
9 May 2012, 16:53 pm
transie,i smaaked chris butcher way back when.
he was actually born in karachi pakistan.
9 May 2012, 16:57 pm
@wpjoulekkading(wpjoulekkading)-140:
If you’ve ever worked in Sales, you’ll be familiar with the “Pipeline” concept.
The last 4 IRB Junior World Championships (U20′s) have been won by NZ. Matter of fact, no-one else has won it (since 2008).
There may be some Glory Years left yet – with the properly nurtured talent coming through – Retallick, Perenara, Aaron Smith, Cruden, Barrett, Taylor, Savea, Taylor, Toomaga-Allen, Cane, just to name a few.
9 May 2012, 17:00 pm
pipeline does not work if so many kiwis move to oz because of a failed economy.
9 May 2012, 17:01 pm
UFO @ 138
Thanks.Will look out for it.Just played it for first time in about
15 years.Goose bumps.
Dawn.Ignore him.I wonder if he has ever read Ernest Hemingway.
Nobel prize for literature master of SAYING IN 5 WORDS
what it takes other people an essay to write.
Now for some of that demon booze and supper,then bed.
9 May 2012, 17:03 pm
@BillTong(BillTong)-144:
While it is certainly a plus for NZ, it depends a lot how much emphasis is place on those competitions. How long players practice together, etc.
These are just school boys with a lot of maturing left to do. I wouldn’t read too much into that if I were you.
9 May 2012, 17:08 pm
126 WP YOUARSEHOLE
Thats a great post 4 ,21 year olds in the pack and one on the bench,and Stormers rugby is in great shape
The reason you are in this position is you are in shite shape you box,most of your players are crocked or pissed off because of bad pay and you don’t have the money to bring them back.
Most of your money is being payed to players like your captain who hasn’t played this year yet.,and is saving himself for the internationals
9 May 2012, 17:11 pm
Mad Eye comes in swinging
9 May 2012, 17:19 pm
preach it mad eye
more power to you.
9 May 2012, 17:20 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-148:
Yep, you go tell Eben Etzebeth he doesn’t belong in Super Rugby.
I dare you.
9 May 2012, 17:21 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-148:
And you are just an arm chair fan like the rest of us with no idea how each province’s finances are used, so don’t pretend you like you have some inside track.
9 May 2012, 17:24 pm
His head is permanently in a bag of angry squirrels
9 May 2012, 17:28 pm
Have seriously not come across someone so permanently disgruntled on this site before!
Warra warra!
9 May 2012, 17:30 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-154: Are you talking about me or Mad Eye?
9 May 2012, 17:31 pm
prawn
blue peter
blue berg
friday from 2
you can drink from the boot of your car as you always do.
no pangelang
social
ek gaan nie jou aap laat brand nie
9 May 2012, 17:36 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-10:
> They should have got the other bearded Canuck – Adam Kleeberger
And DTH van der Merwe too
They both played out of Victoria
9 May 2012, 17:45 pm
@ufo(ufo)-110:
Chuck Norris was actually born on 10 March 1940.
9 May 2012, 17:48 pm
If the level of debate here has as its starting point “The Simpsons”
then heaven help us.
Read” for whom the bell tolls” in my 20,s.
(Long time passing”)
Only sentence i can remember is “did the earth shake for thee”
OK 6 words, but more effective than the bodice ripping 10 page
garbage dished up by authors today
9 May 2012, 17:48 pm
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-158:
hahaha…
yeah… i wiki-ed it too… but liked the sentiment so posted it anyway… got it in an email today…
9 May 2012, 17:50 pm
Talking about mad eye
Permanently moeilik
9 May 2012, 17:51 pm
@ryecatcher(ryecatcher)-159:
Ever read Wilbur Smith?
9 May 2012, 17:52 pm
rich coming from you dawn,you seem to be always on the rag.
9 May 2012, 17:52 pm
@ryecatcher(ryecatcher)-159:
you’re quite right rye…
it takes a lot more skill to make a point in fewer words than waffle on and wonder [pun intended] round the point before possibly stumbling over it…
you’ll notice mine are not brief…!!
9 May 2012, 17:53 pm
Lol. Keo’s twatter.
Backing Lions again, and Joanne is gonna speak!!!!
9 May 2012, 17:54 pm
@ryecatcher(ryecatcher)-159:
As someone once put it:
“Hemingway wrote the words that firmly established him in the post-coital lexicon by having Robert Jordan ask Maria, ‘But did thee feel the earth move?’”
9 May 2012, 17:55 pm
Small wanger. Am I by any chance talking to you. No.
So shut it.
9 May 2012, 17:56 pm
baby has a temper
nice
9 May 2012, 18:01 pm
No temper.
Just like my men laid back and easy.
Not permanently woelig and stressed like so many here.
9 May 2012, 18:26 pm
Nobody puts baby in the corner.
9 May 2012, 18:27 pm
Cool. Look forward to seeing him in action. There’s real synergy in the Stormers team and I expect him to fit in well. Great to have some extra test experience in the side.
9 May 2012, 18:40 pm
dawn,kan jy snoek braai baby?
9 May 2012, 19:58 pm
@ fern,
Stooping to a new low, how many times are you going to beg for company?
Don’t you have any pride :-
9 May 2012, 20:01 pm
@wpjoulekkading(wpjoulekkading)-140: “In the last 5 years semi-finalists:
SA 5
NZ 3
Aus 2″
Eh?
“D
Last 5 years for your knowledge.
2011 2 NZ, 1 Aus, 1 SA
2010 1 NZ, 1 Aus, 2 SA
2009 3 NZ, 0 Aus, 1 SA
2008 2 NZ, 1 Aus, 1 SA
2007 2 NZ, 0 Aus, 2 SA
10 NZ (4 different teams), 7 SA (3 teams), 3 Aus (2 teams).
9 May 2012, 20:07 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-169: easy?? lol
9 May 2012, 20:42 pm
@Nils(Nils)-174:
I meant finalists, not semi finalists.
So, for your knowledge, like I said before:
SA 5 (3 teams)
NZ 3 (2 teams)
Aus 2 (2 teams)
My point stands. You are not really trying to claim that NZ dominated the last 5 years with 1 victory out of 5 are you?
9 May 2012, 21:11 pm
Easy going?
9 May 2012, 22:10 pm
WP till I die@166
Beautifully written.No,have not read Wiilbur Smith.
However do like Louis L;Amour
Regards @ Goodnight
9 May 2012, 22:18 pm
More f’ng chickenarsed decisions among the cowardly conservative SA coaching fraternity.. when ALL else fails call up a Canadian.. yeah that is BOUND to fill the young home bred blood in the wings with a mountain full of awe inspiring glee…
9 May 2012, 22:35 pm
what home bred blood?
vermeulen?
kolisi?
liebenberg?
habana?
grant?
harris?
or were you referring to another half dozen mercenaries?
k n o b
9 May 2012, 22:47 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-180:
Even AJ is calling himself a Stormers supporter these days K N O B head
once any Sharkievarkie f’ng mercenary sets foot in Cape Town he suddenly feels and believes he’s eventually found HOME..
ask Bob.. ask Joel.. ask Percy.. ask Luke.. ask Duanne.. ask AJ.. ask Bryan.. ask Jacque.. ask James Small… ask ANYBODY with any real rugby sense oozing through their veins and they’ll tell you Stormers country is the REAL DEAL.. that last bastion of poefterheid is simply a big fat wafting fancy pantie fairy tale flitting around in their money grubbing brains…
10 May 2012, 03:50 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-54:
yes
yes we are !!!
10 May 2012, 03:57 am
Oh my oh my
where’s the immature knobend who mocked me here for having an opinion ‘not worthy’ purely on the basis that I’m Canadian ???!!!
who is “bwaaaaaaaHahahaAAAAAA”ing now ?
Whinging Yappies got sh*t on their faces now L O L
One things for sure tho, Jebb must have some massive health bills to pay for a terminally ill family member if he’s THIS desperate to accept an offer to play for a whinging Yappie team. Good luck, Jebb, expect to take the blame for any mistake now, because that’s what the whinging Yappies do.
bwaaaaaaHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA
10 May 2012, 04:46 am
138.niknaks:
?7 May 2012, 04:06 am @PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-131: You mean, you’re a Canadian?? Bwaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa!
140.niknaks:
?7 May 2012, 05:11 am @PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-139: Of course you have a voice mate – after all, you managed to draw with Japan at RWC2011. That’s some rugby pedigree there. The problem is you don’t ever use that voice to actually talk about rugby – and now we know why… Canadian? Really? Bwaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaaaa!!
155.slavedriver:
?7 May 2012, 07:23 am @PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-153: ha ha just read that u r canadian.Offspring of 1 of those 95 inbred neanderthals that came to our shores and got his *** kicked.
he who Bwaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaaaa’s last, Bwaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaaaa’s LOUDEST
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!
and Bwaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaaaa’s longest
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !
as an “inbred Neanderthal”, good ole Jebb should fit right in
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !
10 May 2012, 09:56 am
Dawne the only men you ever had were passed out, and never knew it you washed out old blue rinse.
Get some energy, your wannabe laid back West coast style of banter, doesn’t come across as laconic and erudite as you think it does,it actually comes across as drunk
10 May 2012, 10:29 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-184:
Took you days to come back with something you twat.I dont care if the stormers picked him because he will still be a inbred six fingered dipstick just like you and your whanau in nz you canadian nob jockey.The first canadian to play for a decent team,he will be a hero in canada for you to look up to.He is taking the lead and realising he needs to learn about rugby,so why not learn from the best.You to could take his lead if you pulled your head out of your keeweee boyfriends bottom.
10 May 2012, 10:35 am
@PrickBoks going South(PrickBoks going South)-183:
Oh STFU and HTFU
I’ve never heard such a moaning minnie ever in my life!
10 May 2012, 23:27 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-187:
Im guessing you havent had a decent moan in too long.
10 May 2012, 23:50 pm
@slavedriver(slavedriver)-186:
I have no whanau in NZ, I live in Aus you lobotomized loser whinging Yappie.
“learn from the best” – the Stormers ?!
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
its been 15years of SuperRugby and theyve won
N O T H I N G
mind you, they have atleast had 1 solitary RunnersUp which is better than, say, 8th at the RWC.
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