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	<title>Comments on: KeoTV: Kings and queens</title>
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		<title>By: Sne(Sne)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2124176</link>
		<dc:creator>Sne(Sne)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 08:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@victoria: I think the likes of Tutu and Ramaphosa(even Mandela) are liked coz they make those who benefit from the status quo comfortable. Seriously, the last time these guys ruffled the feathers of white or business folk was during apartheid. Mandela an african nationalist/communist, Ramaphosa a unionist and Tutu an ultra-liberal. I would actually like to hear the examples of how cheeky watson is a doos. 

Do the Kings deserve to be in Superrugby; I think that is pretty much a subjective question (note to those who will cry about meritocracy: I think you only believe in that as long as you benefit). Funny how people like to cry about fairness when they are not on the positive end of deals. 

I find it funny how South africa companies such as the banks and the beer sectors actively go out to get black money. Look at how a lot of these campaign seem to be targeting black markets. Rugby on the other hand has just moved a few inches(imo) since 1994. This is becoz it makes people comfortable. All those involved in these unions, whether they are fans or actively involved in the operation structures are just concerned about building their own Oranias.

What you guys sinmply dnt get is that the call for transformation (whether you believe in it or not) will never go away. The anc may have dissappointed most black people, but the well connected still see a lot of value(or bee money) in rugby. Do you think they will just let you guys just go along without any concessions? Never. If the rugby institutions want to keep the grubby hands of money hungry politicians away, they need to make transformation their own baby. Lead it and make sure its successful. Otherwise, theyu will be coming for you.

And again those who love the status quo, like to point the corrupt ANC and gloss over mismanagement in GLRU.(Is there and ethical difference to mismanaging private funds vs public funds)m]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@victoria: I think the likes of Tutu and Ramaphosa(even Mandela) are liked coz they make those who benefit from the status quo comfortable. Seriously, the last time these guys ruffled the feathers of white or business folk was during apartheid. Mandela an african nationalist/communist, Ramaphosa a unionist and Tutu an ultra-liberal. I would actually like to hear the examples of how cheeky watson is a doos. </p>
<p>Do the Kings deserve to be in Superrugby; I think that is pretty much a subjective question (note to those who will cry about meritocracy: I think you only believe in that as long as you benefit). Funny how people like to cry about fairness when they are not on the positive end of deals. </p>
<p>I find it funny how South africa companies such as the banks and the beer sectors actively go out to get black money. Look at how a lot of these campaign seem to be targeting black markets. Rugby on the other hand has just moved a few inches(imo) since 1994. This is becoz it makes people comfortable. All those involved in these unions, whether they are fans or actively involved in the operation structures are just concerned about building their own Oranias.</p>
<p>What you guys sinmply dnt get is that the call for transformation (whether you believe in it or not) will never go away. The anc may have dissappointed most black people, but the well connected still see a lot of value(or bee money) in rugby. Do you think they will just let you guys just go along without any concessions? Never. If the rugby institutions want to keep the grubby hands of money hungry politicians away, they need to make transformation their own baby. Lead it and make sure its successful. Otherwise, theyu will be coming for you.</p>
<p>And again those who love the status quo, like to point the corrupt ANC and gloss over mismanagement in GLRU.(Is there and ethical difference to mismanaging private funds vs public funds)m</p>
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		<title>By: ufo(ufo)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123857</link>
		<dc:creator>ufo(ufo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 12:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2123559&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ryecatcher(ryecatcher)-675&lt;/a&gt;: 

No prob Rye

Good to hear...

Thanks for the kind words...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2123559" rel="nofollow">ryecatcher(ryecatcher)-675</a>: </p>
<p>No prob Rye</p>
<p>Good to hear&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ryecatcher(ryecatcher)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123559</link>
		<dc:creator>ryecatcher(ryecatcher)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 08:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UFO

Didn,t mean to mislead.Health fine.
Regards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UFO</p>
<p>Didn,t mean to mislead.Health fine.<br />
Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123463</link>
		<dc:creator>Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 07:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2123391&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-663&lt;/a&gt;: 
 All good Fernly.... hold no grudges towards you.... hopefully we can have positive dialogue but keep the rugby animosity alive...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2123391" rel="nofollow">Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-663</a>:<br />
 All good Fernly&#8230;. hold no grudges towards you&#8230;. hopefully we can have positive dialogue but keep the rugby animosity alive&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: houston, we have a problem...(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123437</link>
		<dc:creator>houston, we have a problem...(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 06:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2123424&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;greentea(greentea)-671&lt;/a&gt;: 
as false as the allegations against the crusaders by the waratahs subsequently?

hmmmm?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2123424" rel="nofollow">greentea(greentea)-671</a>:<br />
as false as the allegations against the crusaders by the waratahs subsequently?</p>
<p>hmmmm?</p>
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		<title>By: houston, we have a problem...(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123427</link>
		<dc:creator>houston, we have a problem...(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 06:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2123413&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;poppa69(poppa69)-668&lt;/a&gt;: 
:lol:

you tricked me...again....dammit!.... (blushing smiley face)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2123413" rel="nofollow">poppa69(poppa69)-668</a>:<br />
 <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>you tricked me&#8230;again&#8230;.dammit!&#8230;. (blushing smiley face)</p>
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		<title>By: greentea(greentea)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123424</link>
		<dc:creator>greentea(greentea)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 06:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2123421&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-670&lt;/a&gt;: 

Bulls will go down tonight, karma for their false eye gouging accusations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2123421" rel="nofollow">houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-670</a>: </p>
<p>Bulls will go down tonight, karma for their false eye gouging accusations.</p>
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		<title>By: houston, we have a problem...(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123421</link>
		<dc:creator>houston, we have a problem...(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 06:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2123409&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;poppa69(poppa69)-667&lt;/a&gt;: 
in a strange way i think i would actually really like to moer you and then drink a beer with you after, poppa. 
i respect your abrasiveness in some ways.

but you are still cheats... the lot of you.... :grin:

ja, care for others property as if it was your own haha  :wink:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2123409" rel="nofollow">poppa69(poppa69)-667</a>:<br />
in a strange way i think i would actually really like to moer you and then drink a beer with you after, poppa.<br />
i respect your abrasiveness in some ways.</p>
<p>but you are still cheats&#8230; the lot of you&#8230;. <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>ja, care for others property as if it was your own haha  <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: greentea(greentea)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123419</link>
		<dc:creator>greentea(greentea)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 06:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2123391&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-663&lt;/a&gt;: 

You repeat yourself everyday, it was a simple question why do you feel the need to tell us every single day on a rugby blog  that NZ woman are ugly?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2123391" rel="nofollow">Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-663</a>: </p>
<p>You repeat yourself everyday, it was a simple question why do you feel the need to tell us every single day on a rugby blog  that NZ woman are ugly?</p>
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		<title>By: poppa69(poppa69)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123413</link>
		<dc:creator>poppa69(poppa69)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 06:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2123404&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-666&lt;/a&gt;: looks like you got  the number of the beast   :D 

filth indeed :mrgreen:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2123404" rel="nofollow">houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-666</a>: looks like you got  the number of the beast   <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>filth indeed <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: poppa69(poppa69)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123409</link>
		<dc:creator>poppa69(poppa69)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 06:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2123402&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-665&lt;/a&gt;: the full weight of the law? please, Ive read plenty of stories about SAPs and the like..  

but ja, just  like you condemn those who say vile things about NZ too, right Houston?   Ive seen you take them to task on it all the time (thats sarcasm in case you dont know)

now, truly got to be going, got to do my rounds, check all the windows etc..  :wink:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2123402" rel="nofollow">houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-665</a>: the full weight of the law? please, Ive read plenty of stories about SAPs and the like..  </p>
<p>but ja, just  like you condemn those who say vile things about NZ too, right Houston?   Ive seen you take them to task on it all the time (thats sarcasm in case you dont know)</p>
<p>now, truly got to be going, got to do my rounds, check all the windows etc..  <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: houston, we have a problem...(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123404</link>
		<dc:creator>houston, we have a problem...(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 06:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh and ja, cheers to you too...doos...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and ja, cheers to you too&#8230;doos&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: houston, we have a problem...(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123402</link>
		<dc:creator>houston, we have a problem...(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 06:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2123390&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;poppa69(poppa69)-662&lt;/a&gt;: 
ja, but cane did and when i called him out as scum for not condemning it you turned up and jumped to the &#039;defense of the people of nz&#039; not too long after.
 
if those allegations are true then its tragic as far as i&#039;m concerned and the perpertrators as well the school authorities should be dealt with, in the same way we deal with bottlers here... we throw the full and proper weight of law at them/it.

refs, players or spectators... is there any difference?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2123390" rel="nofollow">poppa69(poppa69)-662</a>:<br />
ja, but cane did and when i called him out as scum for not condemning it you turned up and jumped to the &#8216;defense of the people of nz&#8217; not too long after.</p>
<p>if those allegations are true then its tragic as far as i&#8217;m concerned and the perpertrators as well the school authorities should be dealt with, in the same way we deal with bottlers here&#8230; we throw the full and proper weight of law at them/it.</p>
<p>refs, players or spectators&#8230; is there any difference?</p>
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		<title>By: poppa69(poppa69)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123394</link>
		<dc:creator>poppa69(poppa69)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 06:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[predictive text :x. that&#039;s rape not tape]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>predictive text <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif' alt=':x' class='wp-smiley' /> . that&#8217;s rape not tape</p>
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		<title>By: Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123391</link>
		<dc:creator>Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 06:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Te you asked a question,I just answered.Make your own conclusions beyond that if you feel like it.
Greentea,I am not gonna repeat myself,go and search this thread.
I have a small mountain of work to do so later all.
I bet pooper is going to return serve now...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Te you asked a question,I just answered.Make your own conclusions beyond that if you feel like it.<br />
Greentea,I am not gonna repeat myself,go and search this thread.<br />
I have a small mountain of work to do so later all.<br />
I bet pooper is going to return serve now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: poppa69(poppa69)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123390</link>
		<dc:creator>poppa69(poppa69)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 06:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Houston

before I go. I never condoned the bottle throwers?   they are scum, like those that tape a 16 yr old rugby player as part of an initiation rite? 

still, no kiwi fan has &quot;bottled&quot; a ref have they? 

later po.es]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Houston</p>
<p>before I go. I never condoned the bottle throwers?   they are scum, like those that tape a 16 yr old rugby player as part of an initiation rite? </p>
<p>still, no kiwi fan has &#8220;bottled&#8221; a ref have they? </p>
<p>later po.es</p>
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		<title>By: poppa69(poppa69)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123389</link>
		<dc:creator>poppa69(poppa69)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 05:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gotta run bro.  c&#039;mon the blues (wishful thinking on my part I think)

e Noho ra]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gotta run bro.  c&#8217;mon the blues (wishful thinking on my part I think)</p>
<p>e Noho ra</p>
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		<title>By: Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123388</link>
		<dc:creator>Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 05:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2123384&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;poppa69(poppa69)-657&lt;/a&gt;: 
Got to make my way home now Cuzzie...... Traffic is mayhem...maybe catch you up during the cat fight Eden Park stylz tonite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2123384" rel="nofollow">poppa69(poppa69)-657</a>:<br />
Got to make my way home now Cuzzie&#8230;&#8230; Traffic is mayhem&#8230;maybe catch you up during the cat fight Eden Park stylz tonite.</p>
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		<title>By: houston, we have a problem...(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123387</link>
		<dc:creator>houston, we have a problem...(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 05:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2123384&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;poppa69(poppa69)-657&lt;/a&gt;: 
any kiwi who lauds other kiwi cowards who bottle players on the field is scummy filth.

nice kiwi cover up of the whole thing too... pretty much says it all...doesn&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2123384" rel="nofollow">poppa69(poppa69)-657</a>:<br />
any kiwi who lauds other kiwi cowards who bottle players on the field is scummy filth.</p>
<p>nice kiwi cover up of the whole thing too&#8230; pretty much says it all&#8230;doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/05/11/keotv-kings-and-queens/#comment-2123385</link>
		<dc:creator>Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 05:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2123382&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;poppa69(poppa69)-656&lt;/a&gt;: 
He doesn&#039;t know we were training with SLRs at the kura Pops. Thinks he all that with his Rookat]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2123382" rel="nofollow">poppa69(poppa69)-656</a>:<br />
He doesn&#8217;t know we were training with SLRs at the kura Pops. Thinks he all that with his Rookat</p>
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