Carr’s season is done
13 May 2012
Allister Coetzee confirmed on Sunday that Stormers No 8 Nizaam Carr has torn his ACL and has been ruled out for the rest of the campaign.
The Stormers have already lost Schalk Burger, Duane Vermeulen and Nick Koster for extensive periods due to injury. They brought in Canadian loose forward Jebb Sinclair during the week to bolster their back-row ranks, but suffered another blow during Saturday’s game against the Cheetahs when Carr went down with a serious knee injury.
After the game, Coetzee said that he expected Carr’s lay-off to be a lengthy one. It was confirmed following further tests on Sunday that Carr has sustained serious damage and will miss the rest of the season.
Coetzee added that he may have to promote one of the Vodacom Cup forwards for next week’s clash against the Waratahs. There is also the possibility that a forward from outside of the region may be recruited.
Coetzee did say he was impressed with the way Sinclair performed when asked to replace Carr during Saturday’s match.
Sinclair only arrived in South Africa on Wednesday, and has had minimal time to adapt to the Stormers’ structures.
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13 May 2012, 20:57 pm
How come it’s always the Stormers bringing in these overseas based players in emergencies?
If the Bulls do it, it is always a planned thing since before the season started, like Jacko getting released from Japan, or Rayno Gerber returning to Pretoria.
Same as Grant returning from Japan. It was always planned.
But that’s very different from going onto an online shopping list and checking which Canadians or Saracens or French League players migh be available to fill in at the last minute?
Remember the Schalk Brits controversy?
What’s up with the Stormers and not sticking to the squads they start with? It’s a southern hemisphere tournament, guys. Not “hire in whatever global mercenary happens to be available from one game to the next”
Sort your sh*t out man.
13 May 2012, 21:05 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-51: I’d like to agree with you here, but part of me (most likely the part that lived there) knows that most international players wouldn’t voluntarily settle in Pretoria for longer than a weekend unless some badass Mexicans were holding their entire family hostage, which is probably why the Bulls never do this.
The Stormers simply have to post an ad on Gumtree offering a Sea Point bachelor flat, the use of a late 90′s Opel Corsa and R300 a week, and the applications come streaming in.
Geographical snobbery is a real fcker.
13 May 2012, 21:08 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-52:
Hehe.
I just have a problem with the idea that you start your tournament with a certain squad and then 2 weeks before the play-offs you buy Jonny Wilkinson, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Luke Mcallister and Frans Steyn out of their European contracts and include them in your starting line up for the next game.
There should be rules against that kind of thing.
13 May 2012, 21:10 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-50: Yes Sarries have just completed their season so Joubert is the most likely choice.
I think Joe still has some rugby to play.
13 May 2012, 21:11 pm
Tac stop with your Stormers whininng already.
13 May 2012, 21:12 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-55:
What? Stop now, after 9 years on this blog, give or take a few months?
13 May 2012, 21:14 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-53: I think there is some kind of rule that says that players have to be signed as squad members by a certain date if they are to feature in the play-offs *
*does not apply to the Stormers because of their sheer marketability and fantastic support.
13 May 2012, 21:16 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-53: There are rules against this sort of thing. Those players not part of the official squad before a certain date can play in the league stages but not in the play-offs.
The fact is, this is actually an exceptional circumstance. 4 front line loose forwards are unavailable. The 5th one that was drafted in as cover from the VC team( I forget his name) got injured as well. That’s never something you plan for in your squad. The fact that we have 6 top class loose forwards is in itself a credit to the Union.
The Bulls have never faced that level of injury crisis, possibly due to the Pierre Spies holding himself tactic that you mentioned earlier.
Also, WP are still contesting the VC and need some loose forwards for that competition too, which is why AC is looking outside of the Union. We have to look elsewhere, simple necessity.
13 May 2012, 21:18 pm
“exceptional circumstances”
Told you the Stormers had their own criteria.
Next we’ll be told they must get 5 points for a bye and not 4 because of the ****** weather they must train in.
13 May 2012, 21:21 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-58:
Well, our Vodacom Cup team was contesting the semis, but that didn’t stop us from having our priorities right and pulling Rayno Gerber and Van Velze out to help the S15 team at the last minute.
Anyway, if that French captain from the World cup final – forgot his name – runs out of the Bulls in place of the injured Stegman next weekend it just won’t feel right. But maybe that’s just me.
13 May 2012, 21:22 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-59: Hahahaha prat.
The Stormers got Britz and the Sharks got Michelak.
So it’s not just a Stormers thing.
Must be a coastal teams thing.
13 May 2012, 21:22 pm
of = for
13 May 2012, 21:24 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-61:
I purposefully didn’t pull the Sharks into the equation, as it is counter productive to my strategy of organising an anti Stormers gang-up on this Sunday evening.
Stop deflecting now.
13 May 2012, 21:27 pm
Didn’t the Stormers also bring in the Aussie brothers Manny and Huia Edmonds not so long ago because of “exceptional circumstances”? Someone had a hurty toe, I think.
13 May 2012, 21:28 pm
One or two foreign players coming in to our squads are a good thing. They bring something new. Too many can cause a problem. Look at Italy not having one front line flyhalf in their clubs to choose for thei national squad. All of them are foreign.
As a rule it is a massive advantage to the Southern hemisphere teams that they are mostly forced to grow their own.
Still, this is good all round, and altruisticaly and hopefully not sounding arrogant, this Canadian Sinclair has had a baptism of fire in a typically intense South African game.
Good for SA, good for Canada. Everybody should be happy.
13 May 2012, 21:29 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-64:
Ja, look, no need to plan your squad for the season. Much easier to take it game by game, buying in whoever you need to fill up any shortcomings when they might develop.
13 May 2012, 21:31 pm
I think Springbok Lobbert is available?
13 May 2012, 21:33 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-67: Indeed. Alistair Coetzee must be a white supremacist for overlooking him. You two might even know each other.
13 May 2012, 21:33 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-67:
Hehe.
One of your rare good posts.
Law of averages says your next one will dream up some obscure refereeing decision again that favoured the Bulls again this weekend.
13 May 2012, 21:35 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-60: We already pulled our players put at the beginning of the season. We would never have had place for 6 loose forwards in the squad:
Burger
Koster
Kolisi
Vermeulen
Carr
Elstadt
Both Carr and Elstadt played VC rugby earlier in the season, Carr was pulled in to replace Koster.
The other tall loosie Don Armand who was on the bench 3 weeks ago was also flown out to Aus when Vermeulen was injured (and then he also got injured). That’s 2 players who were playing VC the week before, and were regulars for the season. So we’ve done exactly that, elevated the VC players.
The question is, what would you guys do if those guys also got injured??
Burger
Vermeulen
Koster
Were to be the original starting line up. All are injured
Now
Carr
Armand
are also injured.
Leaving us with
Elstadt
Kolisi
Now I don’t expect you to see this our way, but really. I know we have the reputation of breeding the countries best players, but you can only give so many experience before you have to look elsewhere.
the fact is, AC is now basically forced to look to some more of the youngsters as I don’t really see him flying in another overseas player.
13 May 2012, 21:37 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-70:
Pity the Lions didn’t have these kind of options after losing something like 13 of their first choice players, hey.
13 May 2012, 21:43 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-70:
Seriously though, one has to question the conditioning at the Stormers considering such a freakish list of injuries.
Are the guys really up to facing Super Rugby match conditions?
In the case of the Bulls, two of our loose forward injuries were to guys who in hindsight maybe returned before they were really ready, and one was to a guy who bliksems into contact like a kamakazi and for whom its a miracle that he completes even one game intact.
13 May 2012, 21:44 pm
You whine all the time. Unbecoming. Stormers are there you can’t wish them away.
So live with it. Bulls are better anyway not so.
Paranoid.
13 May 2012, 21:44 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-71: How dare you compare the Lions’ predicament with that of the Stormers. You’ll have half the forum here choking on their Chai Tea.
13 May 2012, 21:44 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-68:
AC may have his reasons?
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-70:
I am doing fine with my wagers on the Super15, scoring nearly 85% and the affiliation of the match referees are the No 1 consideration
13 May 2012, 21:46 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-71: They have exactly the same options as we do.
The fact that they didn’t utilise them (for various reason, not the least being the fact that the overseas seasons were very much still going full steam ahead and therefore they could not have contracted an overseas player as easily) is not our problem.
The LIons don’t have the depth we do, everyone knows this. Again that’s not our problem.
We didn’t anticipate at the beginning of the season the Siya Kolisi would be the find that he was, or even Etsebeth (Elstadt would be playing 4 lock) or Carr.
These guys were very much untested at this level until this season. Remember all the people who were forecasting a disastrous season for the Stormers without Flo? And then when Burger got injured the same thing again?
13 May 2012, 21:49 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-72: I’ve posted many times this season about the Stormers style of play and the fact that our defence at all costs strategy means that we have to make many tackles per game more than other teams, with the result that injuries are more common and player exhaustion is a real factor.
Simple physics Cornelius.
13 May 2012, 21:51 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-76:
Indeed. I remember it quite well. I was one of them.
If you recall, I said that it was a good thing that the Stormers beat the Sharks by a last minute penalty at Newlands, as the Sharks would be the biggest threat later in the season.
As it turns out, the Stormers at full strength only beat the weakened Sharks by one kick at Newlands. Now the broken Stormers have to go to Kings Park to face a rejuvenated Sharks team that only trails them by 9 points on the log.
Therefore, if the Stormers lose that game and one more game – say the one at Loftus – then the Sharks will indeed overtake them on the log.
Imagine if they’d beaten the Stormers at home in March, then they would REALLY be sitting pretty on the log right now.
The home stretch is gonna be a thrilling ride.
13 May 2012, 21:54 pm
@Tacitus(Deucalion)-78: Yes it is.
Yes it is.
In the words of Mills Lane:
Let’s get it on!
13 May 2012, 21:57 pm
Mark my words. One more injury and the Stormers will be calling for uncontested rucks.
13 May 2012, 21:59 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-80:
Uncontested rucks!
13 May 2012, 22:01 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-80:
13 May 2012, 22:02 pm
Yep, and those tackles where you must rip the sock from the waistband of the opponent’s shorts. We’re not a long way off.
13 May 2012, 23:16 pm
It is amazing to see how many players have injured their knees, ACL is a *****, torn mine five years ago and never recovered.
Must be the guys studs or boots, but also the sheer amount of rugby, once knees can’t hold out for so long.
Also note, that its mainly loose forwards with knee injuries, probably because of the style the play, low to the ground and having to make adjustments.
If I was the stormers I would look at the players technique and ensure that they don’t put any strain on their knees.
13 May 2012, 23:19 pm
I guess if the Stormers don’t win the title they are going to say it was a watered down competition, with all the injuries, and the winners are not really the champs.
13 May 2012, 23:19 pm
For those interested Ab training squad:
Charlie Faumuina.. Maa Nonu, Kevin Meleamu, Piri Weepu, Ali Williams, Tony Woodcock, Sam Cane, Aaron Cruden, Richard Kahui, Tawera Kerr Barlow, Brodie Retallick, Ben Tameifuna, Sonny Bill Williams, Beauden Barrett, Cory Jane, Julian Savea, Brad Shields, Conrad Smith, Victor Vito, Daniel Carter, Wyatt Crockett, Israel Dagg, Andy Ellis, Ben Franks, Owen Franks, Richie McCaw, Kieran Read, Luke Ramano, Luke Whitelock, Sam Whitelock.., Tamati Ellison, Andrew Hore, Aaron Smith, Ben Smith, Adam Thompson
14 May 2012, 00:08 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-86: inetersting suqad..
how the fck can Williams get a start? the bloke has been poor all season, does not deserve to be there… with selections like his I have no faith in Hansen..
Piri Weepu? Nonu? Mealamu? no third young hooker to blood? heard rumours Taimefuna may be the 3rd hooker? but hes played there once or twice only for HB I think.. of the Blues selections (5) I think only Woodcock deserves to be there… not sold on Faumuina, think his defense can be very suspect..
Adam Thompson? WTF? guy is not up to international standard, good super player but cant reach that next level needed..
No Andre taylor? wtf?
pleased for TKB, Retallick, Cane and Aaron Smith… just rewards for good seasons..
not sure on Ramano, Luke Whitelock and Shields…
14 May 2012, 00:13 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-87:
“”pleased for TKB, Retallick, Cane and Aaron Smith…………………”
Thanks Popps,
I’ll send my 2nd AB’s Jersey to you.
8)
14 May 2012, 00:22 am
@cane(cane)-88: they are all deserving mate… but will be interesting to see who doesnt make the 30 man squad, lucky for us that Ireland have been ordinary up north…
14 May 2012, 00:32 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-87:
When I really take a good look at that squad it is rather good. The young guys….Cane, Retallick,Savea, Shields,Tameifuna,Kerr Barlow, Aaron Smith, Luke Whitelock, Beauden Barrett, Luke Ramano have the potential to play test rugby.
But Hansen taking a gamble on Ali Williams and Thompson to grow another leg when they put the black jersey on.
As for those who missed out…. Andre Taylor, Messam, Jose Gear etc ….thems the breaks…….. Kahui’s injury leaves an opening though.
14 May 2012, 00:36 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-87:
As for third hooker…… probably three candidates…..Hika Elliot, Coles or Corey Flynn…. can call one of them in at any time.
14 May 2012, 00:37 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-90: shame for kahui, always seems to be getting injured.. could have been a true great if not for this reason…
I do like the fact he has brought in a number of young guys, just being in the AB culture will or should provide the incentive for them to continue to work on their game… it also shows he is building for the future…
14 May 2012, 00:40 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-92:
Yeah……. wont see many of those young ones fronting in the first test though….perhaps Retallick only
14 May 2012, 00:45 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-93: agree… will stick with the tried and tested.. I imagine something like this
Dagg
)
Jane
Savea/Ellison/Smith (since Kahui wont claim his spot)
C Smith
Nonu/SBW
Carter
Ellis (better form then Weepu, how sad is that
Read
McCaw
Vito (better than Thompson)
Retallick
Whitelock
Franks
Hore
Woodcock
at most two new ABs, one forced by injury imho..
14 May 2012, 00:49 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-94: thats B Smith as a wing option in the above list..
14 May 2012, 00:58 am
Dagg
Jane
Ben Smith
Conrad Smith
Nonu
Carter
Weepu (to take the kicks if needed)
Read
McCaw
Thompson….. cross your toes
Whitelock
Williams
Franks
Hore
Woodcock
14 May 2012, 01:03 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-96:
Bench- Retallick, Franks, Cruden,Sbw,Vito. Ellis,Romano
14 May 2012, 01:04 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-93: @poppa69(poppa69)-92:
My Team would be:
Woodcock,
Hore,
Crockett.
Retalik,
Whitelock,
Thompson,
McCaw,(if 100%)
Reid,
Ellis,
Carter (if 100%),
Kahui,
SBW,
Conrad Smith,
Guilford.
Jane.
Bench: Tameifuna, Coles, Donnelly, Vito.
Kerr-Barlow, Cruden, Kahui.
I’m still happy enough with the squad just the same.
14 May 2012, 01:05 am
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-96: please god noooooo… Thompson at 6???? seriously bro? lol
we are doomed…
Weepu shouldnt be there at all !!!
14 May 2012, 01:11 am
@cane(cane)-98: not sure on Crockett, he seems to be a bit of a penalty attraction in the scrums lately… poor technique? too tall?
Guilfords not in the squad though.. I know he could be called in, but I would have thought you name your training squad with a view to formulating your team from that… still a month away so I expect one or two changes due to injury..
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