Back where he belongs
15 May 2012
Frans Steyn will be given the opportunity to take ownership of the Springbok No 12 jersey upon his return to South Africa.
Steyn has only started in 30 of his 47 Tests. Neither of his previous Test coaches has been sure of his best position, as he’s featured at flyhalf, wing, in the centres and fullback. Neither Jake White nor Peter de Villiers started Steyn in one position for more than five consecutive games.
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The good news is that the wild ride is over. There will be no roller-coaster, no uncertainty in 2012. No longer will Steyn’s talent go unappreciated or mismanaged. On the contrary, new Bok coach Heyneke Meyer intends to milk it for all its worth.
‘I don’t want to mess him around by playing him in every position, I want him to settle in one position and build some confidence,’ says Meyer. ‘In a crisis he can play elsewhere, but I believe he can perform a leading role at No 12.’
Meyer goes on to explain exactly why Steyn is such an asset to the Boks, while former Bok fullback Percy Montgomery talks about how a player’s ability to kick the ball further than anybody in the game can ultimately fracture even the most well-organised defence.
Also in the new issue:
Coenie Oosthuizen (page 54)
– Coenie Oosthuizen is a non-conformist who wants to redefine the role of a prop
– Heyeneke Meyer tells SA Rugby magazine why he chose his Bok assistant coaches and what his expectations are of them, while Rassie Erasmus explains his new role as Saru’s high performance general manager
– England restored their pride during the Six Nations but will have to raise their game significantly to beat the Springboks in South Africa, writes Stuart Barnes
– England No 8 Ben Morgan has made the most of his opportunity to play Test rugby
– Owen Farrell‘s path to the top has enabled him to cope with upheaval and stay cool under pressure
– Brad Barritt has turned his attention to the Springboks after making an encouraging start start to his Test career in the Six Nations
Brad Barritt (page 72)
– Siya Kolisi could become an important player for the Boks but shouldn’t be rushed into the Test line-up before he’s absolutely ready
– Hurricanes flyhalf Beauden Barrett has made the step up to Super Rugby with consummate ease
– Brumbies openside flank Michael Hooper could become one of the greats of the game
– SA Rugby magazine reviews the top schoolboy Easter rugby festivals held in April
– Having broken their Varsity Cup duck, Tuks want to dominate the tournament for years to come
– The Baby Boks are in a strong position to win the Junior World Championship title on home soil in June
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325 Comments
15 May 2012, 08:11 am
Home coming Dragon!
The sharks will welcome you back at 12!! Things will be nice and competitive!
15 May 2012, 08:21 am
Frans Steyn is the key factor for the Boks. He was our most outstanding player in the RWC before he was injured.
This kid is going to take the Boks to the top again.
15 May 2012, 08:27 am
Happy to have him back and even happier to see the Meyer wants him at 12!
For the punters, put your money where your mouth is…got 42 keolings signed up so far…
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15 May 2012, 08:30 am
while i agree he is an automatic pick i think its also important not to make him start to believe he’s entitled. you must earn your place in the bok team and to do that you must fight for it.
15 May 2012, 08:34 am
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-4:
You mean like saying Morne WILL be there for the next 4 years? Hehehe he will have to earn it and Lambie and Goosen will make it very hard!
15 May 2012, 08:41 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-5:
i wouldn’t want it any other way…
15 May 2012, 08:48 am
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-4: fransie os one of the biggest competitors in the team he always fights hard and gives his best. that why jean must go too passive and doesnt offer very much.
15 May 2012, 08:49 am
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-4: you mean like the Bulls players think they all entitled??
15 May 2012, 08:50 am
@Great White Shark(Predawn)-2: he should have played 12 from the first test in 2008 ou divvy went wp crazy that year though and jean was one of his favs and it cost us badly.
15 May 2012, 08:52 am
kak keo fransie played 12 all through the world cup in 2007 more tha 5 games. difference is that nobody knew much about fransie in 2006 and 2007 he was so new. peter had the benefit of seeing him in action at 12 but was too kak stupid to select him there. hell he rated that freak adi jacobs better and bobo for a while! laughable stupid here folks.
15 May 2012, 08:59 am
quite right, siya is not the “real deal” like say, nick koster who was born to be a bok or say jaque potgieter – who was at the kings last year – and is at this point being mentioned in bok talk.
meyer, before picking ANY of the up and coming player – marcell coetzee, johan sadie, cj stander, johan goosen etc must make sure they’re “absolutely ready”
15 May 2012, 09:01 am
His no is 12, never ever play him at 10. He was super kak at 10
15 May 2012, 09:02 am
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-9: yes, jean the SA Player of Year in 2008 cost us badly
go rewind your vhs boet
15 May 2012, 09:03 am
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-7:
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-8:
we are in agreement, there is no argument here.
@Transformation(Transformation)-11:
notable exception transie,
etzebeth is a springbok…end of…
15 May 2012, 09:06 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-13: yeah in 2008 jean floated a pass that killed the game for us against nz. they scored an intercept try as he threw it wildly on his goaline. he was run over by mortlock for a try and every time he made a break he got turned over. so yeah jean was kak. he did make breaks but that was in a couple of games. sa player of the year means bugger all.
15 May 2012, 09:06 am
@whatever(whatever)-12: fransie is great at 12, he’s played against england, samoa, fiji, tonga, wales, argentina and looked fantastic!
15 May 2012, 09:07 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-11: sadie is the worst centre in super rugby right now.
15 May 2012, 09:13 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-16: fransie is ten times the player jean is. jean is kak outright against anyone. 2010 eoyt? 2005? 2007? 2009 was a doozy. against everyone he played.. italy, scotland, wales, ireland, samoa, england… yep nice perspective from you once again.
15 May 2012, 09:13 am
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-17: even worse than jordaan?
15 May 2012, 09:15 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-16: also look at how fransie lifts our entire backline. he adds length to out attack with his passing and is very quick in spotting opportunities. faster more mobile than all our other 12s but rock on defence. has that kicking game and can step his defenders as well as run right over them. he offloads awesomely in contact and very assured in everything he does unlike bumble jean.
15 May 2012, 09:15 am
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-18: what is a “doozy”?
15 May 2012, 09:16 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-19: sadie akes by far the least ground and is weak on defence. he does literally nothing. i think he averages something like 5m run per game and maybe 1 out of 3 tackles. why not just start with 14? at least the bulls wouldnt be kidding themselves that they have another centre on the field.
15 May 2012, 09:17 am
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-20: he has never done all of this against new zealand, australia & france.
15 May 2012, 09:18 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-21:
15 May 2012, 09:19 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-21: sarcastically saying it was great. he did nothing all year ball in hand and was weak in defending his channel. thanfully habana was the assigned cleaner and drove over jean as he hit the deck so they could actually win the ball back unlike 2008! jean loves to hit an brick wall and flop to ground except when playing really kak 12s which only happened once in the last five years… mccabe but he looks pretty hot right now so he wont have that again.
15 May 2012, 09:19 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-16:
Even Olivier would look great against those teams…
15 May 2012, 09:22 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-19: So tell me JOrdaan is now ****?? bwahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, so typical
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-10: Boet, Jacobs was a decent center and pray tell why is he a freak??? I can tell you Adriaan is one of the most decent guys you could wish to meet in your life, dont get personal because you didnt rate the player, and did he choose himself for the boks??
15 May 2012, 09:22 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-23: he has nothing to prove. he has played against new zealand and australia once each at 13 and upstaged Jean. but the fact is he is far better than jean end of story. youll be eating your words yet again if you want to argue against this very real fact. you play down his opponents but you dont take into account the strength of them. samoa had jean smashed in 2007 and he had no answer, fransie came on a changed that whole game instantly!! argentina were a revelation in 2007 and tonga gave a frikin hard fight as well as fiji. england are a team that have seriously shown up jean every time hes played them so dont bring that one up. thankfully meyer is not so stupid that he would doubt frans.
15 May 2012, 09:24 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-27: jacobs was kak and thats pretty funny coming from a guppie. you guys tossed out your three best centres and had jacobs moered! hahahha. adi coulda just refused selection like floors did. floors didnt want to be a quota so rejected jakes invitation. he did play well when convinced further adi has never had a good test eva!
15 May 2012, 09:25 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-11:
I concur Trans…..
I think in Kolisi’s case, is there is a clutch of up and coming flankers.
We have heavy hitters in Elstadt and Jacques Potgieter.
The hybrid class of CJ Stander, Marcel Coetsee and Siya Kolisi.
Out-and-out fetchers in Brussouw and Stegman.
You’d think that Etsebeth is a shoe-in for national duty, simply because he is the best no.4 lock going around in Saffa. That makes him ready.
Is Siya ready – hell yeah..!!
He is however amongst a clutch of decent flankers.
So should Heyneke select hin, it will be on merit, and nothing else. He would have convinced the Heineken that he’s the front runner of the class, and I for one would have no squables ’bout it
15 May 2012, 09:26 am
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-26: if he did then hed be better than jean coz jean hasnt looked good against them at all.
15 May 2012, 09:27 am
@Pot Blou Gevaar(Pot Blou Gevaar)-30: kolisi is better than schalk so i say he deserves a bench spot at least. why not?
15 May 2012, 09:30 am
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-9:
Donkey de Villiers is too one dimensional. Runs straight and that’s his one and only trick. Fourie was the real deal in the centre pairing.
15 May 2012, 09:34 am
I reckon both Marcel Coetzee and Siya Kolisi will be included in the squad for the England tests. And I reckon both of them are ready to start their Bok careers. As is Etsebeth, as is Kitshoff, and as would Goosen have been had he not got himself injured. If you’re good enough, you’re old enough.
15 May 2012, 09:37 am
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-29: again your view, and yes i am a guppy supporter as you call them , atleast i dont let my maturity levels drop to ground zero to try make a point, even though i agree 100% with you re Fransie being our best 12 i dont have to insult other people to make or trash a player that is not in here to defend himself
Pretty much sums you up huh??
15 May 2012, 09:45 am
Did anyone watch the Boks/British Lions 1997 game on ESPN Classic last night?
Henry Honnibal was a monster,he changed the way flyhalves played for a while.
He made the game unpredictable and exciting,for awhile.
So where did it all go wrong again.
When Heynekke Meyer introduced our rugby to the Morne Steyn model no 1,Hougaard.,or was it old ginger drop kicks, can’t remember his name,was brought in to play the boring safe Bok/Bulls kick it to death game Meyer so likes.
15 May 2012, 09:55 am
Frans Steyn with the proper mentoring could have been the best 10 we ever had.
If you look at what the Crusader’s/Allblacks are doing with that kid flyhalf playing inside the world’s greatest 10,now that’s how you blood a youngster.
Play him at the highest level give him a chance to shine,but if it doesn’t come off don’t risk everything by throwing him to the wolves.
At any time Carter can step in with the kicking or the 10 duties,but everytime he doesn’t have to that kid grows 10 metres.
You can already see the pressure telling on Jantjies,he will be the next Gaffie/Earl Rose.
Maybe Goosen’s injury was a godsend,he was almost at the point of being expected to rescue the Cheetahs entire season on his own
15 May 2012, 09:59 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-34:
siya kolisi deserves to be a springbok imo and i hope he will never be a political pawn or labelled as such.
15 May 2012, 10:02 am
Is there any confirmation that Steyn will be joining the Sharks???
15 May 2012, 10:05 am
Katman
Why does he deserve to be a Sprinbok,on what evidence 2 games for the Stormers.
Maybe at some stage yes,but now ,your statement is laughable.
Ashley Johnson,now he deserves to be a Bok,chosen on merit.
To even include Kollisi now could only be a token gesture.
15 May 2012, 10:07 am
@THE MAULER(THE MAULER)-39: Nope
15 May 2012, 10:08 am
@THE MAULER(THE MAULER)-39: Steyn according to what i have heard will be discused on thursday as his asking rate is way above the norm
15 May 2012, 10:10 am
Thanks Sharks lover… I reckon the Stormers might try break the bank for him then…
15 May 2012, 10:10 am
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-32:
That’s I suppose a nice dillema to have as Boks coach.
Kolisi, Stander and Coetsee has all put their hands up, and has done admirably. We’re blessed to have these youngsters.
In Kolisi’s case – the bloke has been a near constant 80mins player over the last 10 or so weeks, one of the finds no doubt.
15 May 2012, 10:13 am
@mad eye(mad eye)-40: Two games? Have you been hiding under your bed since February?
Pay your DSTV so that your contribution here can be meaningful, or stick to read-only.
15 May 2012, 10:13 am
@mad eye(mad eye)-40: **** , Joe Van Niekerk played for the Boks without playing super rugby ! Many will choose Johan Goosen without a blink on the basis of last years CC and half a season super rugby. Yet pick Kollisi who also played CC last year and even more Super rugby than Goosen by the way and its tokenism ? LOL jaa right !
Kollisi on current form is the best loosie in South Africa in the absence and form of the like of Burger,Duane,Juan Smit,Alberts etc
15 May 2012, 10:14 am
@Pot Blou Gevaar(Pot Blou Gevaar)-44: Exactly. 10 weeks or so. Old Mal-oog here thinks he’s played two games.
15 May 2012, 10:18 am
@THE MAULER(THE MAULER)-43: they cant afford him either,
no union can, however it depends on SARU, as his asking rate would then be split between SARU and for example the Sharks
This was also said to be the case by B van Zyl when he announced some time ago that they were in negotiations with Fransie
Frnaise has however indicated he would want to return to the Sharks, it does hang in the balance however as per what is negotiated on Thursday with Saru and i suppose the Sharks and fransies agent
15 May 2012, 10:19 am
@mad eye(mad eye)-40:
Kolisi far more consistant than Johnson who blows hot and cold,whichever way the wind blows his afro locks imo.
15 May 2012, 10:21 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-48:
Thing is,is that if he does go back to the sharks he is bound to be shunted around between 12,15 and 10 wherever plum makes his pick of the week.
15 May 2012, 10:21 am
Blitzbok – I think you are a bit wrong. JDV & J Fourie were the best centresin the wrodl at RWC 2007 and JDV had been in awesome form up until then. It was after RWC2007 that his form dipped a bit!! But to say he was **** from 2005 is way harsh, go look at the games he was the man from 2005 – 2007!!
15 May 2012, 10:22 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-47: Coetzee, Kolisi,and CJ Stander have all 3 had fantastic season so far
15 May 2012, 10:22 am
@Superbru(Superbru)-49:
true.
plus theres no point in stripping your moer every so often either.
15 May 2012, 10:25 am
I said he has only played 2 decent games,
He is far too young and inexperienced to put in against the AB’s
I also said with the right grooming he could be the real deal.
But right now there are 6 better players in South Africa and at least 6 better South Africans overseas.
I rate Marcel Coetzee way ahead of him,but I also think he should not be thrown in yet.
Give him time he is only 21,and properly managed and conditioned he can easily play for another 10 years.
15 May 2012, 10:28 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-46: no! meyer must make sure that he is “absolutely ready” before playing him…don’t ask me what will happen if heyneke doesn’t do this…
maybe names like kabamba floors, solly tyibilika, hilton lobberts, chiliboy ralepele, davon raubenheimer will help you make up your own mind
15 May 2012, 10:28 am
sharks_lover – Great news to hear F Steyn is returning to the Sharks, however i do feel for Bosman!! Another talent that was lost due to mis management,.
However now we get to see F Steyn and Lambie mix it up woah!!
15 May 2012, 10:28 am
@Superbru(Superbru)-50: Nah i think Plum has learnt his lesson, This is also why he now stays with Lambie at 10, we lost the likes of Ruan because of that too
15 May 2012, 10:33 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-52:
kolisi and stander above coetzee.
stander too much agression at the expense of more technique atm imo.
kolisi just right on agression as well as technique (but can improve even more).
15 May 2012, 10:34 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-57:
yeah,history tells us that the most talented players seem to get shunted around the most,hopefully the lessons of the past have been learned,and the bok coach should also have a real say in which position he wants a certain player played in for international purposes.
15 May 2012, 10:36 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-56:
tsk tsk…two bricks a castle does not make…
15 May 2012, 10:39 am
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-58: wrong, go look at the overall stats for loose forwards, Coetzee far ahead of any other SA loosie
15 May 2012, 10:40 am
@Superbru(Superbru)-59: agreed
15 May 2012, 10:43 am
@mad eye(mad eye)-54: I’m sorry, but that’s clearly just uninformed waffle. He’s shone in every single game he’s played for the Stormers, including the warm-ups. He’s been the most consistent performer for them this season, along with Eben Etsebeth. Where you pulled this “two game” fact from is pretty baffling, to say the least. Stick to what you know, and this isn’t it.
15 May 2012, 10:43 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-61:
Yep,I rate this guy highly and he is bound to improve in leaps and bounds throughout the rest of the comp.
15 May 2012, 10:52 am
Has Fran Styen announced his returning to SA to play Super Rugby?
Just asking,
Why should he do that, Saracens, Toulouse or Toulon will offer him top rate up to €800,000 per years plus expences, apartment, car etc
He won’t return to the Sharks to share the ball with Ndungane, JP or Mvovo, he surely will not join AC at the quota abided the Stormers, so what has left?
The Boks will play him regardless
15 May 2012, 10:56 am
Katman what is it that you know,as a player as a coach as a rugby writer.
Which of these is it that YOU KNOW that you have superior credentials than I have.
**** head stick to the things YOU KNOW ,not one of them is above.
Keep the personal **** out of the conversation.
Maybe this kid will be good but he isn’t yet.
In fact if Burger,Vermullen and Flo Louw were available for the Stormers, he wouldn’t get on the bench,and you want to make him an immediate Bok.
Fucken amateur arm chair warrior,bet you you played linesman at school
15 May 2012, 11:02 am
now katters is in die kak, mal oor has got him in his peroscope!
15 May 2012, 11:05 am
@mad eye(mad eye)-66: “bet you you played linesman at school”
15 May 2012, 11:08 am
Vrede /Tranny,don’t recall seeing you on the rugby field what was you did,tennis,hockey ,soccer or was it netball.
15 May 2012, 11:13 am
@mad eye(mad eye)-66:
careful katman…
just now he’ll be calling you simon or percy… or aj…
15 May 2012, 11:14 am
@mad eye(mad eye)-66: Well if you could resist the urge to publish reams of utter rubbish masquerading as informed rugby opinion, perhaps people would refrain from calling you out as a major fcken bullshitter. Which you are, of course.
15 May 2012, 11:15 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-67:
you’re stirring again ryan…
i’ll reverse your posting privileges if you continue to play with our members…??
15 May 2012, 11:18 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-55: Well then you might as well not play a guy like Johan Goosen cos Gaffie failed.
@ mad eye , put your money where your mouth is , name this so called 6 better players in SA and overseas. Name me at least the SA ones that are better than Kollisi on current form.
15 May 2012, 11:20 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-71:
i think you’re safe though katman…
with a clever nic like katMAN… madeye will never guess you’re really lucy ann…
but on second thoughts… he is a clever one our tall friend… so maybe he’ll notice the rhyming last syllable… which is a dead giveaway…
15 May 2012, 11:21 am
How About this for the first England test. But different but could maybe work.
15. Joe Peterson
14. Lwazi Mvovo
13. Jean de Villiers
12. Francious Steyn
11. Bryan Habana
10. Patrick Lambie
9. Francious Hougaardt
8. Duane Vermeulen
7. Marchell Coetzee
6. Heinrich Brussow
5. Andries Bekker
4. Eben Etzebeth
3. Coenie Oosthuizen
2. Bismark du Plessis
1. Tandai “Beast” Mtwarira
16. Chilliboy Ralapele
17. Steven Kitshoff
18. Steven Sykes
19. Piere Spies
20. Charl Mcleod
21. Morne Steyn
22. JP Peterson
Maybe a little unconventional but looks a good side. I know it is not ideal to play guys out of position, like i did with JdV, but F.Steyn is a great 12 and so is JdV but to accommodate both, i think JdV can make the switch.
Obviously allot of other good form players to choose from tho. Makes it hard.
15 May 2012, 11:22 am
@ufo(ufo)-70: katman will be jon cardinelli
15 May 2012, 11:23 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-76:
sheesh…!!
i was dragging some leafy branches across his trail…
15 May 2012, 11:23 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-73:
The goose should certainly be let loose,but only in the last 20 when the game has opened up,and handled with kid gloves,this one for sure,and so he will mature into an eventual starting 10.
15 May 2012, 11:23 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-76:
That one eye looking through a periscope is a fearsome sight!
15 May 2012, 11:26 am
Personally, I see Kolisi being the glue in the stormers backrow. Fantastic workrate allowing the other 2 backrowers to do what they do well.
It’s all about balance in my opinion.
Much like the bulls just being better when steggman is there.to be fair, stander looks to be growing into his 6 role better.
I’m not sure in this regard how kolisi would fit into a bokback row. As a Brussow backup probably, doubt he’d make the bench as the bench backrower needs to cover 8 as well as being a lineout option depending on other bench selections? he’s a very specific player.
Basically, either kolisi starts or he doesn’t play kind of situation.
Marcel Coetzee has been okay, no more than that. Only in sharkland is he considered more than that, in my opinion, only because all the other forwards have been so ordinary for most of the season. the fact that bismark and beest had big games last weekend makes a hell of a lot of difference.
my bok backrow would still currently be,
6.brussow
7.elstadt
8.spies
15 May 2012, 11:27 am
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-75:
It’s a good team,make no mistake,but the stamp of approval from the bok coach will not be handed out to this one,he is bound to come up with a team with a blue/pink hue to it.
15 May 2012, 11:30 am
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-75: That’s not a bad team. Although Coenie is actually a loosehead. And I’d have Juandre in ahead of Sykes. Many other talking points, but that team should be too good for England.
15 May 2012, 11:30 am
@Dawn(Dawn)-79:
Yep,a deranged mad cow one eye is fearsome to behold indeed.
15 May 2012, 11:31 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-80: Ja that would be my backrow too.
Only because Vermeulen is injured though.
Elstadt is the best 7 in SA at the moment, by some margin. Alberts is in poor form or he would have been the guy I went for.
15 May 2012, 11:34 am
What is current form,2 games, half a season,a whole season.
The 4 years in a world cup cycle.
In S.A at the moment most would rate and not in order injured and uninjured,
the top 6 loosies as being
Burger ,Brussouw,Spies,Alberts,Vermullen,Stander,
Followed by in no particular order,Straus,Daniel,Minnie,Potgieter, Johnson. Kankowski,van Heerden,
Only Then up and coming,Coetzee,Carr,Kollisi,Rhodes,
Playing overseas,Van Niekerk,Sowerby,Louw,Rossouw,Saracens captain for the life of me cannot remember his name,Straus,
Is that enough????
15 May 2012, 11:34 am
Coetzee only rated in Sharkland?? Seriously? Tell that to the NZers and Aussies punting him… Kolisi has also been brilliant!
15 May 2012, 11:37 am
based on Form and partly on “class” my Bok 222 would be:
1. Beast
2. Bismarl
3. Jannie
4. Etsebeth
5. Bekker
6. Brussow
7. Elstadt
8. Spies
9. Hougaard
10. Morne Steyn
11. Habana
12. Frankie Steyn
13 Jean De Villiers (c)
14. Aplon
15. Lambie.
16. Coenie Doodpoes
17. Strauss
18. Juandre Kruger
19. Siya Kolisi
20. Jano vermaak
21. Juan De Jongh
22. Joe Pieterson
15 May 2012, 11:39 am
Dawn don’t take the white pills in the morning those are for the evening and its frowned upon to wash them down with gin before12 o’clock ,even in Bellville you old laconic soak
15 May 2012, 11:39 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-82:
come now Katman….that’s a bloody shite team.
on what basis would would sykes,coetzee,joe pietserson ,mvovo and charl mccloud start becoming Bok Calibre…..if we are serious about winning 80% of our test matches,that is.
hell, it’s debatable weather those names are even serious superrugby calibre yet. none of those okes have shown that they can do the business at the business end.
Joe pieterson, maybe but he will be up against Lambie and Kirchener for the 15 jersey and they are both better option. Hell, 2 years ago already Hougie made Pieterson look 100 years old when he ran around him in the final.
Coetzee maybe, but there are many more ahead of him in the backrow pecking order in my opinion.
mvovo maybe but I have yet to see anything special from him apart from the fact that he obviously can score a try…much in the Kabous mould maybe?
mccloud and sykes never again, half the problem with the sharks is that their locks give them nothing and mccloud is the epitomy of “average”.
15 May 2012, 11:40 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-87:
your bok 222?
holy cow…well prepared this season are we?
15 May 2012, 11:40 am
@mad eye(mad eye)-85: Bro.
You are showing your ignorance now. Maybe it’s Bias.
Don’t try and weasel your way out of it,
Kolisi has played 10 games and shone in every single one of them. Not 2.
Alberts is nowhere near the form he needs to be to be considered as one of the top 6 loose forwards in SA. The Sharks even dropped him.
Siya is the real deal and with all the injuries he may just get his chance.
He’ll certainly be in the greater squad, not sure of he’ll make the match day 22.
15 May 2012, 11:43 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-89:
Come on Brig, you lost all credibility when you said Kirschner is better than Pieterson.
“Hell, 2 years ago already Hougie made Pieterson look 100 years old when he ran around him in the final.”
Juan De Jongh did the exact same thing against Curtley Beale but that doesn’t make him shite now does it?? All it means is that he stepped someone who was defending flat footed and front on. Any attacking runner worth his salt should be able to do that.
15 May 2012, 11:45 am
@THE MAULER(THE MAULER)-86:
what nzers?
i think those blokes on reunion are bloody retarded. They managed to find the only coherent english speaker and gave him the mike in charge of the floor….and he’s the only one worth listening to, agree or not.
the guests every week are frikken morons as is that fat donkey Nesbitt. I’m more and more embarrassed that we actuaslly lose games to those sort of fck wits. But we don’t lose as much anymore and the cycle is coming to an end.
15 May 2012, 11:46 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-76: Fok U.
15 May 2012, 11:46 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-91: boet , we always agree, but i dont agree that any other loosie has been better then Coetzee , this oke is dominating the stas, even in a time when the Sharks as a team was not playing well, Elstad also happens to be one of the dirtiest players around, Go check out all the stats and see what loosies are performing on the super 15 stage
oh and GM brudda lol
15 May 2012, 11:46 am
Stormboy, how can you have Spies in there on form… Wow..
Kiegan Daniels has outplayed him by miles, and I still dont think Kiegan Daniels is Boks material.
If I was HM I would seriously be looking at bringing Sarel Pretorius back he is to good, and Hougaard can play on the wing, as I think he is the best we have for wing options. And would definately have Pienaar on the bench for backup, as he knows how the english will play.. so please pray that HM does not go down the Bulls picking order…
15 May 2012, 11:48 am
Brigadier you are entitled to your opinion… But mark my words… Coetzee will be a Bok soon… And so will Kolisi…
15 May 2012, 11:54 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-94:
no offense katman…
just that if you disagree with mad eye he accuses you of being one of the incognito keo crew deliberately stirring to get the hits up…
15 May 2012, 11:58 am
@rabooby(rabooby)-96: I’m not Spies fan per se but think that on current form and given the loss of Vermeulen and poor form of Strauss and Alberts he’s the right guy.
I wouldn’t pick Keegan.
Sorry. Not even close. But that’s my opinion. I’d pick Ashley Johnson before Keegan and the Cheetahs 8 before him.
15 May 2012, 11:59 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-92:
dude, for my money, Pieterson is a decent superplayer. Kirchener is a good superplayer who makes the boks by default because Steyn was away. But Lambie will take that jersey the same way Steyn.f will now take the 12 jersey from devilliers.
basically, unless something else happens, kirchener will be in the greater squad but will not make a match 22 unless lambie is injured.
I can’t help but feel that pieterson is now getting kudos because of his goal kicking but he will not be required to kick at goal for the boks. Outside of that, he doesn’t have the out of hand kicking range of kirchener, or the defence or attack the line as well, I doubt pieterson is as quick in a foot race as well. In fact, for my money, kirchener and danillier are the best fullbacks in the country at joining the line. Danillier could well be called up by the way.
so there you go, kirchener is not my first choice but probably would be my second.
15 May 2012, 11:59 am
@Superbru(Superbru)-81: I have to share you concern on the blue/pink thing. Concerned that Meyer will have a bit of bulls favouritism. We will have to wait and see. I posted a 67% Springbull side before. Something Like this.
15. Kirchner (Bulls)
14. Akona Ndungane (Bulls)
13. De Jongh (Stormers)
12. Olivier (Bulls)
11. Habana ( Stormers, but former Bull under Meyer)
10. M. Steyn (Bulls)
9. Hougaardt (Bulls)
8. Spies (Bulls) (C)
7. Stegman (Bulls)
6. Brussow ( Cheetahs)
5. Victor Matfield (Bulls, he did ask him to make a return)
4. Bekker. (Stormers)
3. Dean Greyling (Bulls)
2. Chilliboy (Bulls)
1. Beast. (Sharks)
Something like that. But i really hope not…
15 May 2012, 11:59 am
@rabooby(rabooby)-96: Also Sarel is a revolving door on defence (one of the reasons he can’t command a regular starting place at the Tahs) and you just can’t have that at international level. I’d have Vermaak before Pretorius every time.
15 May 2012, 12:01 pm
Here’s my Bok 22 for the first England game, taking injuries into consideration.
1. Mtwarira
2. Du Plessis
3. Kruger, W
4. Etsebeth
5. Bekker
6. Brussow
7. Alberts
8. Spies
9. Hougaard
10. Steyn, M
11. Habana
12. Steyn, F
13. De Villiers (c)
14. Petersen
15. Aplon
16. Ralepele
17. Kitshoff
18. Kruger
19. Kolisi
20. Pienaar
21. Lambie
22. De Jongh
I know Alberts is a big call, but he is class and will perform in the green and gold.
Same goes for Habana.
I’d bring Ruan back to cover Hougaard.
I’d move Jean out to 13 to accommodate Steyn at 12. He’s also be my captain.
I’m still a little undecided about Kitshoff or Coenie on the bench.
And I’d give Kolisi a start from the bench, as he can cover all three backrow spots.
Sadly no place for Basson, Taute, Mvovo.
15 May 2012, 12:02 pm
@THE MAULER(THE MAULER)-97:
he may well make the side seeing as how our backrowers are going down but for my money when all fully fit he is up against elstadt and j.potgieter for the 7 jersey at the moment. Throw in alberts who is addmittedly playing kak and i just do not see it for the next couple of seasons.
15 May 2012, 12:02 pm
Frans Steyn. Kan fokkol doen teen die Ozzies en NZ. Ek hoop hulle pick hom 12 vir die Bokke in die Tri Nations. The quicker everyone can see how overrated he is the better. Hondkak!
15 May 2012, 12:02 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-95: He’s been playing well for sure, but he is more of a 6 than a 7 and Brussow is the man in that jersey for me.
Also, I think Kolisi is better than him at the moment, I think Coetzee looks better because he has to shoulder the majority of the workload some games.
I’d go with Siya but maybe that’s my own provincial bias coming out.
15 May 2012, 12:04 pm
good lawd!
its times like these that fools will learn to live again,
its times like these you learn these fools above will never be given coaching jobs again and again…
15 May 2012, 12:06 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-103: Ja i could go with that team no problem.
I thought of Ruan as a utility back allowing us to play 5 forwards on the bench, but went for a 4-3 split.
I’d be reluctant to play Alberts at 7 because he just doesn’t seem to be able to shake his shoulder injury and that has shaken his confidence and affected his game too much IMO.
I could also go with either Kitshoff or Coenie much of a much-ness there.
15 May 2012, 12:07 pm
This from News 24:
London – Star names from 10 countries, including three Test centurions, feature in a 33-strong Barbarians’ squad for their three-match tour.
According to the official Barbarians website, the tour opener against England on May 27 will be followed by assignments against Ireland in Gloucester and Wales at the Millennium Stadium.
Latest additions to the squad announced include New Zealand’s most-capped fullback Mils Muliaina, South Africa’s Rugby World Cup-winning captain John Smit, Argentine points’ machine Felipe Contepomi and supercharged Leinster utility back Isa Nacewa.
Among the Barbarian debutants behind the scrum are Samoan duo Sailosi Tagicakibau and Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu and a home nations’ trio of Mike Tindall, Stephen Jones and Rory Lawson. Shane Williams is set to take his final curtain on the international stage when the Barbarians face Wales on June 2.
In an experienced pack Duncan Jones, John Afoa, John Beattie, Juan Manuel Leguizamon and Mick O’Driscoll also become BaaBaas for the first time.
The squad, which will be coached by All Blacks’ legend John Kirwan assisted by Grant Doorey, assembles in London on May 22.
15 May 2012, 12:08 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-107: Foo Fighters for the WIN!!!!
15 May 2012, 12:08 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-93: have you watched Boots ‘b All lately? just KAK no other words describe that show, absolute s(hit. no objective analysis of anything.
i’m waiting to see if they’ll invite andre watson to discuss marius jonker’s putrid refereeing, seeing that he is always consulted when SA teams take the brunt of overseas officials!
15 May 2012, 12:09 pm
The forwards picked (only forwards) from SA are Schalk Britz, Pedrie Wannenberg, Anton Van Zyl, BJ Botha and John Smit.
15 May 2012, 12:09 pm
A friend of mine mentioned that the Sharks couldn’t offer Steyn what he is asking for thus he has not signed with them, but may be negotiating with another franchise. Any news?
15 May 2012, 12:10 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-106: amen to that provincial bias comming out, as Coetzz is no 6 boet , he is actually an 8
right now on form this is your best loose trio
8 Coetzee
7 Kolisi
6 CJ Stander
that is also according to stats
And i purposfully left out Keegan as i know you dont like him,
He is leading the stats at the MO lol
15 May 2012, 12:10 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-103: Just for interest sake, and i’m not being mean, why Start M.Steyn @ 10 and not Lambie?
15 May 2012, 12:12 pm
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-115:
Get used to a BlueBoks team initially mate. It is going to happen.
15 May 2012, 12:12 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-106: eish boet he looks that good because he is playing that good, one can say the same for Kolisi as per the injuries Kolisi is sholdering more?
nee boet also between all the countries, kiwi, aussie and us, Coetzee the highest ranked loose forward
15 May 2012, 12:12 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-102: sarel has shored up his defence, he is nowhere to be seen in the missed tackled column, plus mckibbin is the de facto Tahs kicker. not that sarel is rubbish.
15 May 2012, 12:12 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-114: Stander ahead of Brussow, you freaken crazy dude.
15 May 2012, 12:13 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-116: this is true bill
15 May 2012, 12:13 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-116: Against all fears, i am pretty sure you are right!! Sad, but true.
15 May 2012, 12:14 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-103:
that is definately closer to my preffered side and admittedly i forgot about aplon as a 15 option. But for me he is an impact player off the bench.
I question the selections of werner kruger and alberts. Werner is playing well enough but there is no denying his scrum penalty count. So that is something that needs to get sorted but for my money definately the hardest working 3 in openfield. Alberts is playing pants. everyone knows it,even him. Bekker seems to pick himself these days and I am not sure why. He is not matfield and his performances are nowhere near Matfields. Basically, bekker has been avergae but seems to make everyone starting lineup anyway.
your bench is interesting but dodgy.
Would Kruger be covering 7 as well?
What happens if bekker goes down which is very likely and kruger comes in at lock. Your backrow is then brussow,kolisi,spies (because alberts can’t last more than 60 minutes at the most)…..and that is positively disasterous in my opinion. You are also left with 3 lineout options one of which (etsbeth) is in his first season of senior rugby? very risky. Basically, you are left play 30% of the game with an accident job selection criteria.
15 May 2012, 12:14 pm
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-119: read what i said on form
i never said that would be my team
or loose trio, but the fact is those 3 dominate the stats, stats are for performance on the field of play
15 May 2012, 12:15 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-88:
Best you can do?
15 May 2012, 12:15 pm
113
If the Sharks can’t afford him then nobody can,certainly not the Stormers,they can’t even raise the tin to bring back Jan Picard’s grandson.
15 May 2012, 12:16 pm
The Bok team could look like this:
15. Kirschner (Lambie)
14. JPP
13. JdV
12. FSteyn
11. Habanna
10. MSteyn
9. Hougaard
8. Spies (c)
7. Potgieter
6. Brussouw
5. Bekker
4. Etsebeth
3. Kruger
2. Bissie
1. Beast
15 May 2012, 12:17 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-114: You’ll have to allow me my provincial bias then
Elstadt at 7.
I’d personally be surpised if either Coetzee or Kolisi get picked.
15 May 2012, 12:20 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-120:
A pity mate! I think he needs to return and having played for the Sharks would have been a huge acquisition.
15 May 2012, 12:21 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-120:
Sorry! Yeah it is sad indeed…
15 May 2012, 12:21 pm
Willem Alberts is fit and ready to go,Plumtree has rested him for 2 weeks now,and he will fire either this weekend or the next.
Hope he leaves him out for the Cheetahs game, we can win that without him,and brings him on hungry for the Stormers.
That is the day we can really see how good Kollisi is.
15 May 2012, 12:23 pm
Steyn must stay faaaaaaaaaaaaar away from CPT.
15 May 2012, 12:23 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-110:
15 May 2012, 12:23 pm
basson will start in the bok team. meyer likes a kicking 10 and plays percentage rugby and basson leads the stats in kick-recoveries.
is the best man for the position? i dont know. but them’s the facts.
15 May 2012, 12:24 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-111:
boots and all is kak….but so is reunion. lets just acknowlege that.
for some reason everyone thinks that reunion is really insightful. I’d much rather get feedback from our franchise coaches than the kiwis.
we should start acknowleging that we have some excellent coaches in our country and the kiwi franchises are not all geniuses…some are bonafide morons. just look at pat lam and blackadder. Hell, listen to robbie deans? how on earth does he communicate with the ozzies, with grunts and sign language?
15 May 2012, 12:27 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-131:
Well rumour has it that he is negotiating in Blue Bull country.
15 May 2012, 12:29 pm
134
I suggest you go down to the shop where you bought your Mnet decoder and ask the nice man to show you very slowly how to change channels,back to Kyknett.
There you can watch all the reruns of Noot vir Noot and not have to watch those nasty New Zealand programs
15 May 2012, 12:32 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-134:
Oooo Brig
Mad eye got you too?
15 May 2012, 12:33 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-126:
that could very well be the starting lineup except that potgieter is out injured so elstadt would be my 7.
Eben Etsbeth could well be lock cover from the bench for his first tests meaning juandre kruger to start, not exactly the lock combo we have been used to for the past 110 tests but talented nonetheless.
jannie will still keep his spot ahead of w.kruger with coenie on the bench as he is able to play both sides.
lambie would start ahead of kirchener.
in all honesty….can you name a better starting 15 for a coaches first tests that ticks all the boxes, (setpiece,experience,dynasim,mobility,etc)
15 May 2012, 12:34 pm
135 @ Bill Reyts
Yes – that part of the backwoods is more appropriate for him – he’ll look good in pink!
15 May 2012, 12:38 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-139:
He would too…
15 May 2012, 12:39 pm
For goodness sake when is F Steyn gonna grow out of his babyface.
15 May 2012, 12:40 pm
I didn’t know anything about Kolisi until I saw him play against Hurricanes…first game of the season….was really impressed…..continued to watch him in Stormers matches to see if he was a flash in the plan….he continued to impress…..excellent in contact…virtually mistake free…composed on defense….makes telling tackles….good support player….works hard for 80 minutes….presents quick clean ball…intelligent player who runs good lines…cleans up loose ball……The best blindside in Super Rugby.
Will he make Bok starting side? I would pick him for Abs if he was a Nzer.
15 May 2012, 12:41 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-134:
hehehe
have been calling blackadder out for the grey haired mongoloid he is for ages now.
15 May 2012, 12:44 pm
Brigadier… Potgieter is in no way better than Marcell and CJ is by far better than Potgieter!
15 May 2012, 12:45 pm
he looks exactly like maggie thatcher in that photo.
15 May 2012, 12:45 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-134: hahahahahaha you are losing the plot a bit there boet
look around the world, there’s no rugby playing country that doesn’t have a NZ coaching in their premier league – just this weekend rob penney (canterbury coach & understudy to deans) has just been appointed at Munster. there’ll be three in our country with Matt Sexton – another cantabrian – taking over at the Kings.
they might be fukwits in your opinion, but i reckon they know their rugby….
2011 Rugby World Cup Semi-Finalist: 3 out of 4 coached by Kiwis…coincidence?
15 May 2012, 12:46 pm
Agh man boo f*ckin hoo!
All this talk of players “being shunted around” and it impeding their development blah blah blah. Its largely a South African phenomenon period.Namely: Brent Russell,Frans Steyn,Ruan Pienaar. At the beginning of Test career especially many a player from Aus,NZ have switched roles and positions multiple times and made a success of it.
Australia case in point:
Adam Ashley Cooper
James O’Connor
Elton Flatley
Mat Rogers
Quade Cooper
Berrick Barnes
Kurtley Beale
Steve Larkham
Mathew Burke
Joe Roff
And many more
NZ same thing:
Richard Kahui
Mils Muliaina
Isia Toeava
Ma’a Nonu
Ben Smith
Piri Weepu
Jeff Wilson
Alama Ieriemia
Christian Culen
Above there are many fine players with the utility tag. James Oconnor has been playing Test rugby for 3-4 years now and he still hasnt found a position but he is a superb player in all the positions he plays.
At some point they must settle yes but all this talk of mismanagement etc is a load of horsesh*t. If you have more than 50 Test caps like Pienaar-and STILL not good enough,youre just not good enough to be world class. Hougaard has also been a utility for a couple years now but he bided his time and has produced whenever hes been on field. Pienaar’s best games were when e play 10 for Bok in EOYT 2008.At 9 he has always been erratic,smae with Steyn -until recently
15 May 2012, 12:47 pm
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-142:
but your blindsider is a 6 in nz, in sa it is a 7.
kolisi is an opensider to us. he competes with brussow to us.
nz is a little short of blindsiders at the minute with kaiano injured from what i see and if richie goes down you are short of opensiders as well. Well, of the same calibre anyway.
thompson,messam…..can’t be serious?
15 May 2012, 12:47 pm
Imagine if all players were to be available.
15. Frans Steyn
14. Lwazi Mvovo
13. Jaque Fourie
12. Jean De Villiers
11. Bryan Habana
10. Patrick Lambie
9. Francious Hougaardt
8. Marchell Coetzee
7. Schalck Burger
6. Heinrich Brussow
5. Andries Bekker
4. Eben Etzebeth
3. Coenie Oosthuizen
2. Bismark du Plessis
1. Tandai beast Mtwarira
16. Chilliboy
17. Steven Kitshoff
18. Juandre Kruger
19. Juan Smith
20. Ruan Pienaar
21. Morne Steyn
22. Juan de Jongh
How is that for a Backline and loose trio…
I just wish Meyer could somehow convince J. Fourie to come back. He just balances that back line so perfectly, and the look deadly.
As for that loose trio, i know Coetzee may still be a little you. But he is the stand out Loose forward in the whole Super Rugby and there are stats that can prove that. Along with Burger and Brussow it make for a mean combo.
15 May 2012, 12:47 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-122: I’m no Jannie fan. I don’t think he scrums particularly well, and he offers even less in open play. I’m not a big Kruger fan either, but we’re seriously short on tightheads at the moment. First prize, for me, would be Brian Mujati, but I think that ship has sailed.
Regarding the back row, you’re making assumptions about Alberts and how long he will last. Also, between Bekker, Etsebeth, Kruger, Spies and Alberts there are 5 capable line-out jumpers in the match 22. More than most teams can say.
Kruger can cover 7 (he played there in the UK from time to time), but he’s mainly a lock cover. Kolisi can cover all three positions in the back row. Between him and Kruger we’ll have plenty of options off the bench.
And I think Aplon is far more than just an impact player. He’s a match winner from minute one, and I can’t think of a better option at 15, except for Steyn who I’m picking at 12.
I stand by my selection.
15 May 2012, 12:48 pm
@THE MAULER(THE MAULER)-144:
thats your sharkey bias talking. Jaque Potgieter has been in awesome form.
15 May 2012, 12:49 pm
If Boks start with Spies then we are in trouble, put anyone else in that position before spies.. I would still put Daniels in before Spies, sure Daniels is not a Test player but Spies is not even a Super league player.. he never hits the pack, he is scared to tackle.. he is all front and no desire..Daniels will run all day and tackle.. Spies should not even be a thought…
15 May 2012, 12:50 pm
@Pee Wee(Pee Wee)-131: Wake the hell up boet, Steyn is a class apart from every back we have in SA, he is a match winner.
15 May 2012, 12:50 pm
Actually it is your Bulls bias…
15 May 2012, 12:51 pm
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-142:
Thank you mate,clear and insightful analysis.His most impressive facet of play is his low to non existant error rate.It remarkable.#Siya Kolisi
15 May 2012, 12:51 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-134: reunion looks like a bunch of hobos sitting in a cornfield.
very 1980′s and all the Tony Jackass led false grinning and backslapping is nauseating.
useless show.
havent watched boots and all since the racist left, how i miss him.
15 May 2012, 12:52 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-151: Against the stormers he didn’t even feature in the least, tough teams are what fills our test calendar not pushover reds with a list of injuries.
15 May 2012, 12:55 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-146:
my only answer to that is kiwis work for cheep.
pieter devilliers coached the boks to a 3-0 over the kiwis in 2009. has that ever happened before? Does that make devilliers a genius?
the boks were the last side to beat the kiwis with devilliers at the helm as well.
there are no doubt some excellent nz coaches, my point is that there excellent sa ones as well. For the record I think hanson is shite and will be canned in 24 months.Gatland can’t buy a win over the boks even when we are playing shite.
best kiwi coach has been Ted who funnily enough, got slated by the british lions setup in 2001. go figure….
15 May 2012, 12:55 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-148:
Still play him at blindside…As for Abs prospects at no6 (Nz styles) have to wait and see come Championship.. Kaino left big hole.
15 May 2012, 12:58 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-156:
that tony johnson disgusts me, i could easily spit on him.
ja, i miss the racist too. he has the goods, hope they bringhim back in from the cold at some point once rehabilitated.
15 May 2012, 12:58 pm
Great can’t wait to see Fransie wearing the 12 jersey, should had it all along after 2007 world cup. He is with out a doubt our best inside centre. He was magnificent during the wc was probably our best player there. Once he got injured just knew our chances would drop.
Wish him all the best on his return home. Also hope he comes back to the Sharks.
15 May 2012, 12:59 pm
@rangerman(rangerman)-156: Indeed. I always expect there to be some little sponsorship flash upfront that says this episode of Reunion was brought to you by Ned’s Panelbeaters or Butchery or Pest Control etc.
15 May 2012, 12:59 pm
@BreakdownBoy(goodstuff)-157:
wow, you pick out one game?
how did coetzee go against the stormers….I didn’t even see.
look, bottom line is that every couple season the sharks have a half decent loose forward who must be a bok because he is so much better than all your other loose forwards who are all shite. Think Jean Deysel,Kankowski, Warren Brosnihan,etc….
15 May 2012, 13:02 pm
@Te Rangatira(Te Rangatira)-159:
you can’t do that because we would be short of a lineout option with brussow and kolisi both at 5ft odd.We’d also lack serious weight at the scrum and physicality at the ruck and maul
15 May 2012, 13:03 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-163:
fck, even daniel got a bok start that way.
15 May 2012, 13:04 pm
It’s Frans hair that is such a worry to me!
What is he thinking?
15 May 2012, 13:05 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-85:
First we talking about flanks not 8th man. Secondly how can you have Stander in there and not kollisi if you say Kollisi only played a handful of games ? Lekka one rule for the one player but different rule for another. Lastly overseas players dont really count now do they ? The comp they play is way below Super rugby standard , look how well Ricky Januarie is doing over there ! Having said that I will indulge with my feedback below.
Burger – Injured – Not available
Brussouw – I agree
Spies – 8th Man , heck and some even doubt that , not eligible
Alberts – 8th man , also out of form !
Vermullen – 8th Man – also injured so not avaialble
Stander – seriously ? he is not really a openside flank to start off and also played less than Kollisi , how come he gets to start ahead on the basis of having played
“only a handful of games” ?
Straus – ? Who ?
Daniel – 8th Man
Minnie – Bwaa haa haa haa
Potgieter – Just coming back from injury and has not played enough to prove he is in from.
Johnson – blows hot and cold and at best a bench player , also primary a 8th man anyways.
Kankowski – 8th man and injured anyways , not available
van Heerden – who wickus ?? really ? Too old to play flank for a Lions team , playing lock where he is better suited nowdays and in anyways injured
Only Then up and coming,Coetzee,Carr,Kollisi,Rhodes,
Why is Stander not part of this list ? Are you a Bulls supporter by any chance ?
Playing overseas,
Van Niekerk – primary a 8th man and showed the last time that UK form is far from SA form
Sowerby – Who ? Why not Francois Pienaar while you at it ?
Louw – Francois ? Maybe at best , but we don’t know what form he is in again
Rossouw – Danie ? No man we moved away from the slow guys , besides is he not older that Bakkies ?
Saracens captain for the life of me cannot remember his name,Straus, – I think you taking about Ernest Joubert who could not command a regular start at the Lions ! The same Lions that has been the poorest SA team in super rugby for the last few years now. Yup he is def Bok material.
So I ask once again , who is the 6 players that are better than Kollisi on current form ?
FYI – current form is simply where a player has played more than a handful of games this season , he played the majority of the games in his position.
15 May 2012, 13:06 pm
@Puma(Puma)-161:
Hi Puma….Let me dash you off a quick mail!!
I keep missing you on the blogs
15 May 2012, 13:07 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-151: jaque potgieter is dom soos ‘n klip…i watched him at the Kings for 2 years!!
he is very active but is a penalty magnet, loses the ball in contact – error rate, still too naive to be Test quality…will get there though.
15 May 2012, 13:07 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-164: Actually, Kolisi is 6ft2 and has been used as a line-out jumper before. Hell, even Brussow was used once on the weekend (and won his ball).
Not every single forward has to be 7ft tall.
15 May 2012, 13:11 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-167:
wait a minute, I’m a bull and I don’t have stander anywhere near a bok start. We haven’t even found his best position yet. Maybe he can become a great 6 which would be good because he has even more physicality to your normal 5ft groundhog but not yet.
that doesn’t mean i’d have kolisi near a bok start either and definately not coetzee or alberts.
15 May 2012, 13:15 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-170:
is kolisi that tall?
he looks short on the field? Yes, I saw brussow take a ball the other night but that is only because johnson is to heavy to get off the ground.
in a test match, unless a player is completely unique,like brussow, I want them all very big especially in the forwards.
the bok lineout dominated for years because not only wasd matfield the master but everyone was 6ft+. skalk,jean smith,vic,bakkies,spies,dannie,etc..
15 May 2012, 13:17 pm
Sparticus shut up ****,we have put this to bed a long time ago.
Lets see if Kollisi is ready in 2weeks time against decent opposition.
He might be ,but I think not.
Marcel Coetzee,who I have watched since he was at primary school at Port Natal,is the most exciting and complete flank I have seen since Jan Ellis,google that name because I can almost guarentee you haven’t a clue who he was.
Now even with what I said above ,I would like to see Marcel play one more seson of super rugby,before he is thrown onto the Bok stage.
The provincialism in this country is so bitter that to suceed at National level takes a lot more than abilty.
Ask guys like John Smit and Gary Tech
15 May 2012, 13:17 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-158:
I doubt he is a genius, but he knows his rugby
The Boks’ 2009 success was cheifly enabled by the likes of Bryce Lawarence, Berdo, Allain Rolland and Nigel Ownen the referees, but then what goes around comes around.
15 May 2012, 13:18 pm
Fark just by looking at the pic of Frans I can see his over weight.
Hope his not into bunnychows, if he goes back to the Sharks.
15 May 2012, 13:22 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-172:
Numbers are faked on purpose
I have a 2008 game programme from Newland where Aplon was stated 1.69m and 70kg and I was not too sure about the 1.69
He now stands tall at 1.75m and 78kg
15 May 2012, 13:22 pm
I really think we could be in for a big wake up call. This English side are hungry and determined and are young.. Boks have a new manager and new players – and HM is looking in the caves to bring bakc Matfield from Hibernation…. Why not go the same way as the English and pick players in form, so what if they have little experience. He needs to give the youngsters a chance. I agree that he should have some old heads in there to balance it out, but everyone is injured… so go with your gut feeling… lancashire took that chance and look how well they have done…
15 May 2012, 13:24 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-171: I was talking to mad eye when he said there are at least 6 players ahead of kollisi in SA and named Stander as one of them , he reckons Kollisi only played a handful of good games which is not good enough , appareantly its good enough to rate Stander though.
PS – On a previous post you said you wont pick Joe Pietersen on the basis that he is not test match material , I agree 100% on that. Just like meisiekind he is a excellent super rugby player but not test match material.
15 May 2012, 13:24 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-176:
i think aplon wears high-heeled boots.
15 May 2012, 13:28 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-178:
I’d agree with that, pieterson shouldn’t even get a look in because there are better performing options in our superrugby.
olivier deserved a look in because he was the standout superrugby performing 12 for seasons. Personally, I think he got the shaft in the bok setup.Was selected to fail for a better choice of explanation…
15 May 2012, 13:29 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-172: 6 foot one and a half, if you want to be precise (which is the same height as CJ Stander).
15 May 2012, 13:29 pm
I think Apolon is proof that Wickus in district 9 definately shagged one of those prawns
15 May 2012, 13:30 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-179:
His survival is a miracle really, even with all the ducking and slipping he makes to avoid direct contacts, the mass ratio is imperative at rugby, so how come a 70kg waif survived a test match is beyond me
15 May 2012, 13:31 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-181:
i would never have guessed that, do these okes wear different padding or what? Stander looks way bigger than kolisi. I’m sticking with my high heeled boots explanation.
15 May 2012, 13:32 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-182:
lol
15 May 2012, 13:34 pm
@Hondo(Hondo)-183:
I think on defence he hides behind the ref only to ambush the opposing ball carrier from behind when he runs past.?
15 May 2012, 13:36 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-173:
Okaaaay , so you cannot justify what you say and now resort to name calling and throwing your toys out of the cot. Nice. Jan Ellis way before my time , all I know is that he played flank if momeory serves me right and he was from TVL ?
Its useless comparing players of today to yesterdays players , different era , different ball game , todays players are much more athletic and will probably beat any team from the 70′s hands down. I know its a romantic veiw that the previous hero’s are gods answers to rugby but the truth is today’s players are simply better athletes and stronger. The game has changed way to much to compare.
Its not about throwing the player to the Lions so to say , its not about playing him too early. On current form who should play flank for the boks ? Who is fit and in form ? You cannot base your argument on what if’s. Use facts.
As for this sentence ? “The provincialism in this country is so bitter that to suceed at National level takes a lot more than abilty.Ask guys like John Smit and Gary Tech”
I dunno what you trying to say here , both the above players were stalwarts for the boks and Smit played his first Springbok game in 2000 at the age of 22.
15 May 2012, 13:39 pm
Coenie Oosthuizen and WP nel at 3 are far more effective then Jannie.
15 May 2012, 13:39 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-184: Stander isn’t tall at all, when compared with the likes of Spies, Alberts, Vermeulen etc. He and Kolisi are 1.88 and 1.87 respectively, which is only about an inch taller than Luke Watson, and just over 2 inches taller than Brussow.
15 May 2012, 13:41 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-188: WP got owned against the Chiefs.
Brok Harris deserves a look in.
15 May 2012, 13:43 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-189:
you will never see a Bok side with two small flank forwards. Traditional we gone with big 7 or 8 – or both.
15 May 2012, 13:44 pm
In other news, I see Alistair Coetzee is moaning about not being able to field new recruits in the play-off stages The rule, which has been around for a few years, says players who weren’t part of the squad by 1 April can’t play in the knock-outs. Now Coetzee wants this changed for the Stormers to accommodate his latest spending spree. Boo-fcken-hoo. Not going to happen.
15 May 2012, 13:45 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-191: Which is why my team (posted somewhere above) has Brussow, Alberts and Spies starting, and Kruger (4, 5, 7) and Kolisi (6, 7, 8) covering on the bench.
15 May 2012, 13:45 pm
@willievz(willievz)-190:
true. Brok Harris – No.
I wish Meyer bring back BJ Botha -
15 May 2012, 13:46 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-192:
He should have thought of that before he gave the nearly 2 meter tall loosie Grant Hatting to your team – apparently for next to nothing.
15 May 2012, 13:53 pm
187
To you could call Jan Ellis a flank,and you could call Elvis a singer,Ali a boxer and Tiger a golfer.But if thats all you could say about them,rather don’t say anything.
No he didn’t come from N.Tvl nice try though.
What I was saying about J.S and G.T.is that because of provincalism in this country,Gary had to captain the longest winning streak in test match history,and John had to win a World Cup outside of the country to be rated.
Why because they came from Natal.
Even though they achieved that there are many on this page that will now begin to tell you that they were overated
Coetzee also comes from Natal
15 May 2012, 13:57 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-103:
1. Mtwarira – 100% will be selected
2. Du Plessis
3. Kruger, W – He will be screwed against England frontrow.
4. Etsebeth
5. Bekker
6. Brussow – this is likely Meyer picks for start
7. Alberts- a fit Potgieter would be here. Grant Hattingth bolter????
8. Spies – Alberts deserves a start in his fav position.
9. Hougaard – nop standout backup. Am picking Du Preez as backup.
10. Steyn, M
11. Habana- could be shock non selection?? I said it first
12. Steyn, F
13. De Villiers (c) – My pick as well for Capt.
14. Petersen – Aplon here.
15. Aplon – Lambie will be selected.
16. Ralepele – Strauss has being form hooker. should be here.
17. Kitshoff – No Coenie???, offers more then Kitschoff
18. Kruger
19. Kolisi – yep. will be in mix. good impact
20. Pienaar – Has being tried and tested. Have du Preez here
21. Lambie
22. De Jongh
15 May 2012, 14:01 pm
If there is one loose forward that has been really underrated and not mentioned enough in my opinion is, Keagan Daniel, to be brutally honest, on current form, the best No. 8 in the SA conference. Many will disagree, but this is one guy, that has performed week in and week out even when his side was on the losing end.
Then there are the guys who believe he is to small to be a Bok No.8.
I would back Keagan to beat, step hand off Spies or any other No. 8 any day. One of SA’s quickest loosies and best defenders, rarely slipping tackles, to top it off he plays like a fetcher.
Maybe it is just me, but i rate this guy!!
15 May 2012, 14:02 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-192:
typical arrogant CT attitude. Rules are rules.
15 May 2012, 14:03 pm
What happened to Brok’s dumber twin Blaauw,
Remember a game last year where Blaauw passed a ball straight into Brok’s face.
Both looked like they went to special school.
15 May 2012, 14:05 pm
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-198:
I agree. But much like Andy Aitkin, Daniel should being fecther out and out and stayed at 6. he would be great backup to Heinrich
15 May 2012, 14:07 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-199: Coetzee also wanted the rule bent last time round when he drafted Schalk Brits late in the season. Funny how it’s only a problem rule when it affects you. Why didn’t he petition for it’s change when they were putting together squads in November? Everything is always an “exceptional circumstance” for the Stormers.
15 May 2012, 14:10 pm
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-198:
ek stem saam met jou oor Daniel sy skakeling tussen voor en agterspelers en sy gevoel vir die spel is baie goed. hy Isdie beste 8 op die oomblik en op die koop toe ook n goeie lyer
15. Lambie
14. Petersen
13. daar is nie goed genoeg nie
12. Steyn F
11. Habs
10. Steyn M
9. Hougie
8 Daniel
7 niemand staan uit nie behalwe potgieter
6 Steggies
5 Bekker/ Kruger
4 etsebet
3. coenie / kruger
2. Du plesis
1. greyling/beast
15 May 2012, 14:13 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-182:
bloody racist
15 May 2012, 14:13 pm
brok harris more than holds his own in the tight… just ask coenie… harris has gone up against the best in the comp and come out on top….
and guys speak about offerings in the loose… well harris offers way more there than any other tighthead in the country…
he also plays loosehead more regularly than other ambidextrous props… so would be excellent cover on the bunch if not a starter…
either way… i agree with willie… he deserves a look in…
cilliers and jannie are both just plain lazy… seriously so… they pout in fewer tackles than all other props… for every tackle they don’t put in, they increase the workload on the rest of the team… werner has been lazy but upped his game in the last couple of matches… but over the season harris has way better stats…
but of course he won’t get picked…
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-198:
KD ‘rarely slips tackles’… yet he is 15th on the Tackles Missed list with 21…
15 May 2012, 14:14 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-202:
True. But then Graham Henry and like have tried change rules in past suit them. And then there is trying change the 5 to 6 teams Kings fiasco
15 May 2012, 14:15 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-197: Who would you select at tighthead if not Kruger?
And I also prefer Alberts at 8, but given the injuries to Juan Smith and Schalk Burger (either of whom would have been my blindside starters), I’ve moved him to the side of the scrum.
I think Habana will start, and am willing to wager on that.
Ditto for Ralepele on the bench ahead of Strauss.
For me it was a complete toss-up between Kitshoff and Coenie on the bench. Kitshoff is a better scrummager, but Coenie has a better goose step. I’m happy either way.
And I’ve watched some of Ruan Pienaar recently, and he’s playing superb rugby. I’d select him on the bench any day. Du Preez has been discontinued, along with Matfield, Bakkies and Rossouw.
15 May 2012, 14:16 pm
@vasteses(vasteses)-203: Daniel sou ‘n goeie Sewes speler gemaak het. Maar nie ‘n Bok nommer 8 nie.
15 May 2012, 14:17 pm
What’s it with some of these Sharks supporters
Are they all befuck.
15 May 2012, 14:17 pm
Or should I say NATAL
15 May 2012, 14:19 pm
@vasteses(vasteses)-203: agreed, just said as much on another thread. As for 7 – my pick would be Elstadt
15 May 2012, 14:19 pm
Personally, although he is a superb inside centre, I prefer Frans at fullback for numerous reasons – he has the potential for greatness at that position, possessiing in quantity an arsenal of skills – kicking, drop kicking, attacking, tackling, safest hands in the world under the high ball, uncanny positional anticipation on both defence and attack … that’s where I would put him and keep J de V at inside until we can find another top rate inside centre.
At inside centre I suppose Frans is the new one – bloody good there as well.
15 May 2012, 14:19 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-196: erm – Jan Hendrik Ellis (born 5 January 1942 in Brakpan, Gauteng, South Africa) is a South African former rugby union rugby player, who played flanker. He played 38 times for the Springboks, which at that time was a record.
Last time I checked Brakpan Gauteng was also known as TVL ? I said TVL not N-TVL by the way.
I am still waiting in the so called 6 better flanks than Kollisi in SA from you. I think I am just wasting my time.
15 May 2012, 14:20 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-208:
wel dan moet hy maar 7 speel want op 7 is die pickings maar “slim” op 7 vir bokke. ek sien al ons stmrs maatjies wil nou sommer vir elstad daar speel LOL. ons het ook nie n Danie pakslae nie. en dan is daar ook nie n 13 wat werklik vertroue inboesem nie. nee jong /HM het n moerse uitdaging.
15 May 2012, 14:20 pm
Guys have short memories here,they forget all too quickly how the Bok front row of Greyling,Straus and Kruger was owned totally by Scotland in the very recent past.
Scotland who finished stone last in the six nations.
They also forget how England shunted the Irish scrum in the last six nations game.
Nothing short of our best will do,
Currently its Beast,Bismark and i would like to see Coennie moved to that side, but Bismark has a habit of making sure its Jannie.
Drotske is going to move Coennie over he said so on Boots,good thing to.
That could be a massive front row, all very strong athletic and hungry workers
15 May 2012, 14:21 pm
@J.B. Cowper(J.B. Cowper)-212:
Fine. Now can he do something about that baby face.
15 May 2012, 14:21 pm
@vasteses(vasteses)-203: Dit lyk na n oraait span. Sou tog Met Lambie op 10 begin. F. Steyn op 15. Jean de Villier 12 en De Jongh. 13. (jammer J. Fourie is ni beskikbaar ni, mis die ou) en defenitief Mvovo op 14 in plaas van JP.. Jou oplossing vir 7 is Coetzee.
Net n vriendelike vraag…Hukm M. Steyn op 10 voor Lambie…ek verstaan ni.
15 May 2012, 14:23 pm
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-217:
Miskien is hy ‘n bul? (vasteses)
15 May 2012, 14:24 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-215: Hell yes, Kruger will never be a bok tighthead and Greyling has a way to go yet he is promising but not in the Beast/Gurthro class just yet.
15 May 2012, 14:26 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-218: Miskien…
15 May 2012, 14:27 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-207: Coenie should start but if its Kitschoff I wont be worried , We have way too much looseheads , someone has to convert ! There is also the beast !
I know Coenie is gonna play tighthead soon but I would also like the Stormers to try Kitschoff at 3 , then again we do have solid options there with Harris and Malherbe whom I also feel could potentially reach higher honours one day , then there is another 18 year old Kebble who is also a loosehead , watch this laaitie also.
Re the flank , I really really rate Keegan Daniels , excellent player and in my book underated , I would like to see him play at 6 though where I feel he belongs. As it is a loose trio of
8 – Daniels
7 – Kollisi
6 – Broussouw
That would be great but lacks serious height. Elkstad for Kollisi then and Kollisi covers for Broussouw.
Sorry no Spies. Just not good enough but maybe with Broussouw and Elkstad doing the donkey work Spies will shine again ?
15 May 2012, 14:27 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-207:
on what grounds do you select Ralepele over Strauss???
Ruan Pienaar – I take Keo argument, apply here too about European form.
15 May 2012, 14:29 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-184: Kolisi is one seriously big dude. Not height although he is tall enough, but on meeting him I was really surprised at how chunky he was, it’s not obvious on the field by looking at him. Watching him play absolutely.
15 May 2012, 14:29 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-221:
18 year old Kebble??? – any relation to Guy Kebble? the powerful scrum destroyer????
15 May 2012, 14:30 pm
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-217:
vir die eenvoudige feit dat frans moet 12 speel. lambie was goed in die WB op 15 , en steyn is nog goed genoeg op 10, as Goosen reg was was hy my keuse op die bank om later by morne oor te neem. maar die ondervinding van aldrie die spelers gaan deurslagewend wees as ons teen engeland wil wen. Ek is nie oortuig van de jong nie hy is net nie goed genoeg nie, mvovo is nie veel beter as enige van die ander vleuls wat ons het nie, ek gaan maar vir JP agv sy ondervinding.
@Dawn(Dawn)-218: ja ek is n bull maar nie n dom bull.
15 May 2012, 14:32 pm
Meyer’s Bok side possibly this:
Beast
Bissie
Jannie
Etzebeth
Bekker
Brussow
Elstadt
Spies
Hougaard
Morne
Habs
Frans Steyn
Jean De Villiers
JPP
Pat Lambie
Not my team but think that is who Meyer will select.
I would have Marcell at 8 with Pat Cilliers at th and Lambie at 10. Not sure about Elstadt at 7 either. So if Alberts is ready rather Alberts to start there.
15 May 2012, 14:33 pm
my props would be tendai and coenie/brok… either starting or on the bench… both cover both sides…. rotate to suit… these are the three best scrummagers at the moment and all are very mobile with high work and tackle rates…
but would have a serious word to coenie about discipline… he’s everyone’s favorite at the moment… but when his penalties cost the boks a game the same everyone’s will roast him…
i wouldn’t use steven against the poms… he’s not streetwise enough yet… they will target him big time… save him for the EoY…
15 May 2012, 14:34 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-221:
kolietjie is n 6 nie n 7 speel dan eerder vir KD 7
15 May 2012, 14:34 pm
@Puma(Puma)-226: Keegan is have a superb S15. Don’t rate him as captain, but as a player he is playing very well.
So the Bok loosies could also be:
Brussow
Marcell
Keegan
15 May 2012, 14:34 pm
@Puma(Puma)-229: have = having
15 May 2012, 14:35 pm
@Puma(Puma)-226:
agree. Meyer side will exactly be that side give or take couple names.
Pat Cilliers beside Bismack and beast I can see.
15 May 2012, 14:36 pm
@vasteses(vasteses)-214: Nee, ek het bedoel Sewes, soos in Sevens Rugby. Ek dink Kegan Daniel sou ‘n uitstekende Sewes speler wees, maar ek kan nie plek vir hom vind in a Bok 15-man span nie.
15 May 2012, 14:37 pm
@ufo(ufo)-227:
agree. The poms are strong if not dominent in front role. I think Dan Cole will have edge over Beast or Kitschoff or Oosthuizen
15 May 2012, 14:37 pm
@Puma(Puma)-226: Pat is just not strong enough at 3 to be a test tighthead.
15 May 2012, 14:38 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-224: The very same one’s son
@vasteses(vasteses)-228: Keegan op 8, Kolisi to cover for Brussouw. Sal Elsdtadt op 7 speel met Marcell op bank. Elstadt can cover op slot ook.
15 May 2012, 14:40 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-215: Yes that would be a awesome front row if Coenie could move over to th. What you think of Pat Cilliers? He has been superb this S15.
Beast
Bissie
Cilliers
That would also be a great front row.
15 May 2012, 14:40 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-224: His son.
15 May 2012, 14:41 pm
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-234: Well I think he has looked our best this season to be fair.
15 May 2012, 14:41 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-233:
yeah… these poms are not gonna be pushovers at scrum time… and they are always wily buggers who will use plenty of gamesmanship too…
but heyneke knows this… hence his caution and wanting to play his tried and trusted…
i believe he will make the right selections…
15 May 2012, 14:43 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-231: Yip, agree think that will be Meyer’s Boks side.
Think he will want players that have played together. Only 1 week don’t give him much time. So think that will be the team.
Cilliers has had a great season so far.
15 May 2012, 14:43 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-222: I’m not a big Strauss fan. I agree, he has a lot of heart, but for all his bluster he’s not as effective as people try to make him out. He’s not the strongest scrummager, and I think Ralepele does the basics of hooker play better. Plus he’s becoming a serious ball stealer at rucks too.
For me, Strauss and Liebenberg are in the same mold.
15 May 2012, 14:43 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-221:
agree…. malherbe will reach higher honors too imo…
him and kitshoff long-term…
15 May 2012, 14:45 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-233: Dan Cole is overrated. If they still had Julian White and Andy Sheridan either side of a decent hooker (not this George Shuter rubbish), then I’d be worried. But the likes of Cole and Stevens don’t scare me.
15 May 2012, 14:45 pm
oliver kebble too a long-term prospect by the sounds of it…
but haven’t seen him play…
15 May 2012, 14:45 pm
I don’t even think Daniel should play for the Sharks,too light in the pants,should have been retreaded as a centre.
Plumtree’s bigest mistake making him Shark’s captain.
That should have been Bismark.
Best Sharks 6,7,8,Coetzee,Alberts.Kanko.
With Deysel coming back to form at 5 and Sykes playing at his best at 4,stage is set for Kanko to play his own game again.
He is a great player ,just been used wrong.
15 May 2012, 14:46 pm
@ufo(ufo)-242: With what we have at tighthead at the moment it would be great is Malherbe had had a bit more exposure to top flight rugby…he does look like a great prospect.
15 May 2012, 14:48 pm
Hey Dawne good news tomorrow it’s pensioner’s day at Checkers,
Half price on the dog food.
Hang in there
15 May 2012, 14:51 pm
@Puma(Puma)-226: looks like the team – think Jannie Du Plessis should stick to being a doctor
15 May 2012, 14:53 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-247:
How would you know about pensioners day at Checkers
15 May 2012, 14:54 pm
I wonder ……
15 May 2012, 14:54 pm
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-246:
he’ll get there… but he and kitshoff are seriously young… most international props are late 20s early 30s…
not saying they aren’t good or old enough… just they aren’t streetwise enough yet… imo… certainly not for this pom tour…
maybe a midweek game though…
15 May 2012, 14:55 pm
@Puma(Puma)-240:
he puts in a tackle every 15 or so minutes…
in the crusaders game he did not put in a single tackle (according to rugbystats)
coenie, brok, kitshoff, malherbe are all putting in tackles every 6 to 7 minutes… if tackling is about attitude I want players who show the attitude and desire to get around the park and get into position to put in those tackles… they don’t just come to you… you’ve gotta go and make them…
imo… we need all our forwards to be putting in good numbers of effective tackles in every game… tackling is one of the cornerstones of rugby…
cilliers really needs to up his game imo…
15 May 2012, 14:55 pm
ek sien hier is al weer n paar lekker marabse hier.
15 May 2012, 14:56 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-249: He works there. Shout “cleaner and a mop to aisle 6″ and see who pops up.
15 May 2012, 14:58 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-221: I also think Kitshoff would make a great tighthead. Solid, compact build and specialising in scrumming the opponent till he poeps.
15 May 2012, 14:59 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-254:
15 May 2012, 14:59 pm
@stew(stew)-248: Howzit Stew,
Think that would be Mayer’s Bok team.
Look Jannie has not had a great season, but he is a lot better with Beast back and will probably get back to where he was last year in the next couple of games with Beast there. I personally would have Pat Cilliers at th he has been excellent this S15. But Meyer will go with a front row that has played together.
15 May 2012, 15:00 pm
@Puma(Puma)-257: Mayer = Meyer
15 May 2012, 15:00 pm
@trupisero(trupisero)-235:
Guy Kebble was at a young age when he started to destroy opposition props. He was exposed out wide due lack of conditioning but boy he could scrum!!
@>^..^< katman(katman)-243:
agree about Matt Stevens. Exposed at RWC last year. The Pommie front row did well against french this year(minus Domingo though) and that is always litmus test for me.
I agree what others say here – Meyer will go with combos and tried and tested due to short timeframe he be working with.
Pat Cilliers is worth a mention. in better company he do well.
15 May 2012, 15:02 pm
Katman obviously soil yourself in ailse 6 quite often
15 May 2012, 15:03 pm
@ufo(ufo)-252:Howzit bud,
I never watched the Lions play against the Saders. Missed that game. Just going by earlier games.
15 May 2012, 15:06 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-259: Yip that is what I am thinking. If Cilliers could have Bissie next to him with Beast on the other side, think he would pull his weight quite well.
15 May 2012, 15:06 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-259: Ja, but the French front row is also about 2 or 3 seasons beyond its best.
15 May 2012, 15:07 pm
@Puma(Puma)-261:
always good thanks puma… you…?
yeah… i’ve been keeping the stats the whole season and he and jannie just don’t put the work in around the park that the others do… sad but true… so imo they don’t exhibit the desire and attitude required to wear the mighty springbok jersey…
but as G13G says… i agree he should do better in better company… although he could still be tackling his heart out in a losing team… but i’d want to see him do that before picking him…
15 May 2012, 15:08 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-260: I accept that “aisle” is a rather tricky word, but I’ve already spelt it for you, for crying in a mop bucket.
15 May 2012, 15:08 pm
meyer has no time to experiment.
he will have to go with current boks and/or provincial combos.
front row – sharks
second row – stormers
6&7 – brussouw and alberts
8,9,10 – bulls
11,12,13 – stormers
14,15 – sharks
15 May 2012, 15:11 pm
@charo(charo)-266: I reckon you’ve got it spot-on there. This was almost my starting 15 too, except I had Aplon at 15 with Lambie on the bench, and I dabbled with the idea of Kruger instead of Jannie (out of desperation more than anything else).
15 May 2012, 15:16 pm
@charo(charo)-266: Howzit Charo,
Meyer will select Frans Steyn at 12 though and probably Jean at 13. From what he said about Fransie at 12 during the wc is anything to go by. He was very impressed with Steyn there.
Alberts has had a off season so far, also not sure if he is over that shoulder op he had. Probably the reason Plum has left him out for 2 games. Marcell has been sublime this season and deserves a call up. Though not sure who Meyer will go with if Alberts does not get it together before June.
15 May 2012, 15:17 pm
@charo(charo)-266:
hey charo…
yip… nail on the head…!!
15 May 2012, 15:18 pm
I am so gratefull for the ship that beached on Clifton.
Atleast the capetonians have something else to talk about besides wine and table mountain.
15 May 2012, 15:20 pm
@ufo(ufo)-264: Very well as always.
Pity Sharks lost Cilliers to Lions. I think if you stand out in a team that is not doing well you are playing great rugby. It takes a super effort for any player to stand out in a team that is struggling. Cilliers has stood out.
I don’t keep stats or even look at them…hahaha. So not sure there just going by what I have seen of him this season.
Coenie too if he could move over might be great there. Not for the England tests though will need to play there first. But he is going really superb at LH for Cheetahs.
15 May 2012, 15:23 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-267:
think he might spring a few left field surprises for the bench – blokes like ruan pienaar, siya kolisi etc
15 May 2012, 15:23 pm
Does anyone know if Frans Steyn is even available for the first test v England?
Racing Metro Paris plays Toulon in the Top 14 playoff on 25th May and I know England have not considered Stefon Armitage in their touring squad for this reason.
15 May 2012, 15:24 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-263:
thats true. Servant is still my top hooker in world.
@charo(charo)-266:
you are absolutely correct. Meyer, Hansen, Deans are all in same boat. Deans will likely go with Genia, Lucas, Hobbs reds combo for his first test. Meyer will go with establish comboninations
15 May 2012, 15:24 pm
Okay out of here.
Cheers everyone.
15 May 2012, 15:27 pm
@charo(charo)-272: See my match 22 in post no.103.
15 May 2012, 15:30 pm
@Puma(Puma)-271:
yeah… gotta feel for the guy… but we all make our own beds hey…
i like coenie too… he’s always giving it everything and his attitude and desire is great… imo… but wouldn’t start him at tight head against the poms… let him play a season there first… although he and brok are the best options for the bench as they both cover both sides…
i didn’t see the sharks game this weekend so can’t say how beast went… but the props to me the demonstrate the desire game after game and never coast for a minute are the two cheetahs and three stormers props…
but as said by several of us now… expect and understand heyneke going with his tired and trusted for this tour…
15 May 2012, 15:32 pm
@Puma(Puma)-275:
cheers bud…
15 May 2012, 15:48 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-276:
yep, not too different from what i’m expecting.
15 May 2012, 15:49 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-16: Jassus you’re a negative oke!
15 May 2012, 15:51 pm
What a kak biased issue this month! All about Kolisi but nothing about Marcel Coetzee. Let me guess SA Rugby is run by Keo?
15 May 2012, 15:53 pm
@Sydney Shark(JayDaFiveOh)-281:
shourd of politics and personal agendas clouds SA media!
15 May 2012, 15:57 pm
@Sydney Shark(JayDaFiveOh)-281: remember Sharks players raely get rated in SA or by SA public, their ratings or appreciating of their standard of play comes more from the Kiwi’s and Aussies
15 May 2012, 15:57 pm
@Sydney Shark(JayDaFiveOh)-280: (in this case) negative = objective
yes
15 May 2012, 15:58 pm
@Sydney Shark(JayDaFiveOh)-281: Infact i can just about guarentee you at Coetzee wont smell a Bok jersey
15 May 2012, 15:58 pm
UFO/KEO
Don’t you think your statement sucks,didn’t watch the Beast,so can’t comment,well don’t then.
For your imformation he was awesome,and lets hope you watch him this week,because he will be better.
But as I said the acid test will be the week after when he puts Brok’s head as far up his arse as,that Crusaders prop did in the loosing semi at Newlands last year.
One thing the next 2 weeks will bring is a Bok frontrow trial.
15 May 2012, 16:02 pm
@Fern is not a stud,he is merely no19(Fern)-270: Have you noticed how all salvage operations around Cape Town start off as “relatively simple” procedures and become more complicated by the day and all the time sending the cost and (profits) skyrocketing.
15 May 2012, 16:09 pm
280
It’s like this site half the posters here are Keo and his staff,they write crud then comment on it,.
Obviously they make money on the number of hits they get,but some of these guys are super suspect.
Post anything that touches a nerve as to the credibilty of the journalism,and in one or two post,Transformation or UFO will be there bristling with indignation.
What wankers,**** KEO is so arrogant he post as UFO, thats cute.
Vrede who even next Keo is a a real dumbass,post as Transformation,a not so subtle cover for his bitter rascism.
15 May 2012, 16:11 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-285: Howzit boet. I looked at the stats for Coetzee, he leads the way with 168, with Kolisi second at 150, but he’s also on the list for most tackles missed at 21. Kolisi doesn’t feature on the list. He must have missed some but they are both effective tacklers and very busy guys it seems.
15 May 2012, 16:13 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-288:
dont turn into hulk my friend!
15 May 2012, 16:17 pm
@Brown- eye(brown eye)-288:
Chillax bro.
Some anger management classes perhaps.
15 May 2012, 16:25 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-288: Cute as your little conspiracy theories are, mopman, I’m bored with them already. Can we have something else from you?
15 May 2012, 16:25 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-290: @stormersboy(stormersboy)-291: you okes are killing me
15 May 2012, 16:32 pm
292
Bit close to the bone for you as well,***** boy,
also part of the Keo cavalry??
15 May 2012, 16:33 pm
P U S S Y BOY
15 May 2012, 16:36 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-288: @<a @mad eye(mad eye)-286: Straight up the Dutpipe… Luvving it.
Schweet!!!
15 May 2012, 16:37 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-288: you say you have been in the communication industry for 30 years,what have you won?
2008
The 2008 full line up of overall
winners and sub-category
winners:
Print and internet:
Sports Journalist of the Year: Mark Keohane (writing in Independent
Newspapers and the IOL website)
Sports Columnist of the Year: Neil
Manthorp (www.supersport.co.za)
Sports Feature Writer of the Year:
Mark Keohane (Independent
Newspapers and the IOL website)
Sports Event/Live Match Reporter
of the Year: Mark Keohane
(Independent Newspapers); merit
Mike Greenaway (Independent
Newspapers)
15 May 2012, 16:38 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-294: Maybe SB is one of the blond crossdressers they show in Keo TV nowadays… Post like a girl, act like a girl, not quite a girl though…Makes sense to me…
15 May 2012, 16:41 pm
Where is small wanger with lice!
He should be taking notes!
15 May 2012, 16:44 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-297: Fck me… Those okes are the best of “best” in sports journalism in SA???
Farken hell… Makes me long for Stephen Jones… And that says everything.
15 May 2012, 16:53 pm
http://www.news24.com/Columnists/DavidMoseley/Time-to-euthanise-Newlands-20120515
Now this is the type of journalism that should win awards.
Tranny at least you have,come out the cupboard and shown your true colours.
The communication industry is vast and trust me I have a fair amount of awards,
Most of them International,not in the pure journalism sense but in a very aligned industry.
But I am not here to blow my own trumpet or solicit.
You know who I am from the address that I signed up to this site with and I ‘ll gladly share that imformation with you in a private EMail.
Now if only good old KFO would come out of the cupboard too
15 May 2012, 16:58 pm
1 Tendai mTwarira
2 Bismarck Du Plessis
3 Jannie Du Plessis
4 Eben Etsebeth
5 Andries Bekker
6 Heinrich Brussouw
7 Josh Strauss (Because there is no-one else)
8 Pierre Spies
9 Fourie Du Preez (Capt)
10 Morne Steyn
11 Bryan Habana
12 Francois Steyn
13 Jean De Villiers
14 JP Pieterson
15 Patrick Lambie
16 Coenie Oosthuizen
17 Adriaan Strauss
18 Pat Cilliers (Because there is no-one else)
19 Juandre Kruger
20 Ashley Johnson (Because there is no-one else)
21 Francois Hougaard
22 Bjorn Basson
Blazer Boys:
Lwazi mVovo
Elton Jantjies
Peter Grant
Gio Aplon
Jaco Taute
Robert Ebersohn
Rynhard Elstad (even though he is a doos)
Flip Van Der Merwe (even though he is a doos)
Derrick Minnie
Chilliboy Rallepelle
Joe Pieterson
Dean Greyling
Steven Kitshoff
Please return from injury:
Schalk Burger
Johan Goosen
Duane Vermeulen
Jacques Potgieter
Juan Smith (Doubt he ever will)
Fudge Mabeta
Willem Alberts (it might just be mental)
15 May 2012, 16:59 pm
Tranny can’t beleive you are so dumb and easy to unmask,
Like you just had all those stats on hand from 2008,
that was an eternity ago Stormers had only been trophy less for 8 years then.
15 May 2012, 17:03 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-301: Do share please , faiekg@gmail.com
15 May 2012, 17:05 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-301: oh, good on ya maddie
were you part of the hordes at Kings Park that booed Francois Steyn? or were you the leader of the draught swilling crew that threw beer-filled mugs at stephen donald?
15 May 2012, 17:06 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-303: who did you unmask, maddie?
15 May 2012, 17:09 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-289: hey boet here is an article from the Aussie press
Steyn leads at 10
Loose forward??/ Coetzee heads the stats
Steyn bossing the kicking stats
2012-05-15 12:19Email | Print
Morne Steyn (Gallo)
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Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer
Cape Town – If Super Rugby statistics are going to carry any weight in Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer’s deliberations over the flyhalf spot against England next month, then incumbent Morne Steyn is only entrenching his position.
The Bulls No 10 rules the roost in just about every boot-related category in the competition after Week 12.
According to latest figures in the Sydney Morning Herald, the 27-year-old heads up five departments.
For starters, his 12-point haul in the latest victory (27-24) over the Waratahs on tour last Friday boosted him to 161 overall points in 2012, nine clear of next-placed counterpart Aaron Cruden of the Chiefs (152).
These prolific scorers are due to lock horns very shortly: the Bulls, who first play the Highlanders this Saturday, meet the Chiefs in Hamilton on May 25 in a match which may go a long way to determining who tops the overall table at the end of ordinary season.
The men from Pretoria presently head the standings, one point ahead of the Waikato outfit.
Steyn also hogs top spot for most penalty goals (32), conversions (27) and dropped goals (2).
Just as significantly, the out-of-hand authority of his kicking is reflected in the fact that he sports the most kicking metres, according to the latest stats: an impressive 4,294m.
That places him fairly narrowly ahead of compatriot Joe Pietersen (3,914m), the diminutive Stormers fullback who gets surprisingly strong distance himself on touch-finders and in-field kicks – both players are a long way ahead of anyone else in Super Rugby in that regard.
And if anyone is tempted to suggest that the figures only confirm a “robotic” characteristic to Steyn, they should bear in mind that he is clearly not doing a shabby job in mixing up his game.
That is because the Bulls currently boast 36 tries – an average of just under four per game. It is a tally matched only by the Hurricanes.
The flyhalf is obviously regarded as a vital conduit in attacking play, so it suggests Steyn is back playing more adventurously out of the “pocket” he has often been accused of occupying a little too stubbornly in the past.
Adding further to the rosy picture surrounding his current form, he has the distinction of making his 100th Super Rugby appearance when the Bulls tackle the Highlanders in Dunedin on Saturday.
Another South African featuring especially prominently in the various Super Rugby stats right now is the Sharks’ dynamic No 7 Marcell Coetzee: he heads up the category for most tackles (168) – three more than Zimbabwean-born Force captain and fellow loose-forward David Pocock.
Considering that he is also a confident runner with the ball tucked beneath an arm, Coetzee could just force himself into Bok contention at blindside flank, where the national side has a problem with several injured customers at present.
Bulls wing Bjorn Basson has just slipped to second for most tries (7), behind Andre Taylor of the Hurricanes and the Chiefs’ amazing pick-and-go phenomenon near the tryline, shiny-domed loosehead Sona Taumalolo – they both boast eight.
15 May 2012, 17:11 pm
No but I can see you Trannie
,shouting for Suunnny Beeeeeelllll,everytime the Crusaders come to town.
15 May 2012, 17:13 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-303: get off it and show us your awards maddie! is this recent enough for you?
SAB Sports Media Awards
SAB has announced the winners of its SAB Sports Media Awards 2011.
The winners of the SAB Sports Media Awards 2011 are:
PRINT:
· SAB Sports Column of the Year:
§ Mark Keohane (Business Day Sports Monthly)
· SAB Sports Feature of the Year:
§ Angus Powers (Sports Illustrated)
· SAB Sports Media Award 2011 for PRINT:
§ 2nd Runner-up: Mark Keohane (Business Day Sports Monthly)
§ 1st Runner-up: Gary Lemke (Business Day Sports Monthly)
o Winner of the SAB Sports Media Award 2011 for PRINT:
§ Angus Powers (Sports Illustrated)
PHOTOGRAPHY:
· SAB Sports Action Shot of the Year:
o Winner of the SAB Sports Action Shot of the Year:
§ Anne Laing
· SAB Sports Moment of the Year:
o Winner of the SAB Sports Moment of the Year:
§ Herman Verwey (Beeld)
· SAB Sports Media Award 2011 for PHOTOGRAPHY:
o 2nd Runner-up: Herman Verwey (City Press)
o 1st Runner-up: Adrian de Kock
· Winner of the SAB Sports Media Award 2011 for PHOTOGRAPHY:
§ Anne Laing
NEW MEDIA:
· SAB Sports Web Contributor of the Year: Ben Karpinski (thebounce.co.za)
· SAB Sports Blog of the Year: Mark Keohane (KEO.co.za)
· SAB Sports Media Award 2011 for NEW MEDIA:
o 2nd Runner-up: Johan Coetzee (Supersport.com)
o 1st Runner-up: Ben Karpinski (thebounce.co.za)
o Winner of the SAB Sports Media Award 2011 for NEW MEDIA:
§ Mark Keohane (KEO.co.za)
15 May 2012, 17:14 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-286:
hehehe…
you are a wound up little bundle of sunshine aren’t you…
but you still throw punches like preteen girls throw feather boas…
15 May 2012, 17:20 pm
so mad-I…
what do think of all our keo awards…?
cool stuff hey…?
the team and i would just like to thank all our members for your contributions… but especially you…
you are the sharpest cookie cutter in the baking draw…
we’re honoured to have such a luminary aboard…
maybe we should invite you to our next awards evening so that i can thank you in person…
would you like that…? will fly you in and put you up a a swank hotel…
15 May 2012, 17:24 pm
@ufo(ufo)-311:
15 May 2012, 17:28 pm
anyway…
have to run now…
i know they’re several months old… but what the heck… got lots of celebrating to do…
think i’ll stuff my awards into my top pocket next to my pens, colored pencils, ruler and solar-powered pencil sharpener… then go and have a drink with joffers… do you think that will impress him…?
i know one shouldn’t blow one’s own trumpet… but feel that the circumstances warrant one popping one’s own champers cork…
what say you…?
have a brill evening my tall friend…!!
15 May 2012, 17:28 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-312:
15 May 2012, 17:32 pm
@ufo(ufo)-313: cheers boss!
15 May 2012, 18:33 pm
Heeltemal bevok.
If he’s in the communications industry then I’m fecking Jane Austen.
15 May 2012, 18:54 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-316: Good evening miss Austen
15 May 2012, 19:57 pm
Good evening sir
15 May 2012, 20:03 pm
Loving this mad eye dude!
Viva la shark!
15 May 2012, 20:06 pm
this mad eye idiot is fck’d in the head.. like most other sharkievarkies parading around this website thinking they the f’ng bees knees. ..
if people get awards for writing absolute cr@p then I should already have a Nobel prize for literature.
15 May 2012, 20:07 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-316: Sharks pride & Stormers prejudice
15 May 2012, 20:09 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-319: it’s not polite to make fun of the mentally disturbed
15 May 2012, 22:02 pm
He totally insane
16 May 2012, 06:40 am
@mad eye(mad eye)-301: Bud, I have read your posts on this site and the only award I believe you will ever qualify for is the Darwin Award and you will have to wait for that one. This article is one person’s opinion about a trend towards poor sportsmanship that has crept into a lot of sports. The same fans will be at whatever stadium the Stormers play in.
On the point of atmosphere several international players over the years have rated Newlands as the best atmosphere of any SH ground.
Nothing worthy of any awards in this article that’s for sure.
16 May 2012, 06:42 am
@YoMama(YoMama)-302: You forgot to put Do o s next to Bismark and Jannie.
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