Back where he belongs
15 May 2012
Frans Steyn will be given the opportunity to take ownership of the Springbok No 12 jersey upon his return to South Africa.
Steyn has only started in 30 of his 47 Tests. Neither of his previous Test coaches has been sure of his best position, as he’s featured at flyhalf, wing, in the centres and fullback. Neither Jake White nor Peter de Villiers started Steyn in one position for more than five consecutive games.
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The good news is that the wild ride is over. There will be no roller-coaster, no uncertainty in 2012. No longer will Steyn’s talent go unappreciated or mismanaged. On the contrary, new Bok coach Heyneke Meyer intends to milk it for all its worth.
‘I don’t want to mess him around by playing him in every position, I want him to settle in one position and build some confidence,’ says Meyer. ‘In a crisis he can play elsewhere, but I believe he can perform a leading role at No 12.’
Meyer goes on to explain exactly why Steyn is such an asset to the Boks, while former Bok fullback Percy Montgomery talks about how a player’s ability to kick the ball further than anybody in the game can ultimately fracture even the most well-organised defence.
Also in the new issue:
Coenie Oosthuizen (page 54)
– Coenie Oosthuizen is a non-conformist who wants to redefine the role of a prop
– Heyeneke Meyer tells SA Rugby magazine why he chose his Bok assistant coaches and what his expectations are of them, while Rassie Erasmus explains his new role as Saru’s high performance general manager
– England restored their pride during the Six Nations but will have to raise their game significantly to beat the Springboks in South Africa, writes Stuart Barnes
– England No 8 Ben Morgan has made the most of his opportunity to play Test rugby
– Owen Farrell‘s path to the top has enabled him to cope with upheaval and stay cool under pressure
– Brad Barritt has turned his attention to the Springboks after making an encouraging start start to his Test career in the Six Nations
Brad Barritt (page 72)
– Siya Kolisi could become an important player for the Boks but shouldn’t be rushed into the Test line-up before he’s absolutely ready
– Hurricanes flyhalf Beauden Barrett has made the step up to Super Rugby with consummate ease
– Brumbies openside flank Michael Hooper could become one of the greats of the game
– SA Rugby magazine reviews the top schoolboy Easter rugby festivals held in April
– Having broken their Varsity Cup duck, Tuks want to dominate the tournament for years to come
– The Baby Boks are in a strong position to win the Junior World Championship title on home soil in June
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15 May 2012, 14:05 pm
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-198:
I agree. But much like Andy Aitkin, Daniel should being fecther out and out and stayed at 6. he would be great backup to Heinrich
15 May 2012, 14:07 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-199: Coetzee also wanted the rule bent last time round when he drafted Schalk Brits late in the season. Funny how it’s only a problem rule when it affects you. Why didn’t he petition for it’s change when they were putting together squads in November? Everything is always an “exceptional circumstance” for the Stormers.
15 May 2012, 14:10 pm
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-198:
ek stem saam met jou oor Daniel sy skakeling tussen voor en agterspelers en sy gevoel vir die spel is baie goed. hy Isdie beste 8 op die oomblik en op die koop toe ook n goeie lyer
15. Lambie
14. Petersen
13. daar is nie goed genoeg nie
12. Steyn F
11. Habs
10. Steyn M
9. Hougie
8 Daniel
7 niemand staan uit nie behalwe potgieter
6 Steggies
5 Bekker/ Kruger
4 etsebet
3. coenie / kruger
2. Du plesis
1. greyling/beast
15 May 2012, 14:13 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-182:
bloody racist
15 May 2012, 14:13 pm
brok harris more than holds his own in the tight… just ask coenie… harris has gone up against the best in the comp and come out on top….
and guys speak about offerings in the loose… well harris offers way more there than any other tighthead in the country…
he also plays loosehead more regularly than other ambidextrous props… so would be excellent cover on the bunch if not a starter…
either way… i agree with willie… he deserves a look in…
cilliers and jannie are both just plain lazy… seriously so… they pout in fewer tackles than all other props… for every tackle they don’t put in, they increase the workload on the rest of the team… werner has been lazy but upped his game in the last couple of matches… but over the season harris has way better stats…
but of course he won’t get picked…
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-198:
KD ‘rarely slips tackles’… yet he is 15th on the Tackles Missed list with 21…
15 May 2012, 14:14 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-202:
True. But then Graham Henry and like have tried change rules in past suit them. And then there is trying change the 5 to 6 teams Kings fiasco
15 May 2012, 14:15 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-197: Who would you select at tighthead if not Kruger?
And I also prefer Alberts at 8, but given the injuries to Juan Smith and Schalk Burger (either of whom would have been my blindside starters), I’ve moved him to the side of the scrum.
I think Habana will start, and am willing to wager on that.
Ditto for Ralepele on the bench ahead of Strauss.
For me it was a complete toss-up between Kitshoff and Coenie on the bench. Kitshoff is a better scrummager, but Coenie has a better goose step. I’m happy either way.
And I’ve watched some of Ruan Pienaar recently, and he’s playing superb rugby. I’d select him on the bench any day. Du Preez has been discontinued, along with Matfield, Bakkies and Rossouw.
15 May 2012, 14:16 pm
@vasteses(vasteses)-203: Daniel sou ‘n goeie Sewes speler gemaak het. Maar nie ‘n Bok nommer 8 nie.
15 May 2012, 14:17 pm
What’s it with some of these Sharks supporters
Are they all befuck.
15 May 2012, 14:17 pm
Or should I say NATAL
15 May 2012, 14:19 pm
@vasteses(vasteses)-203: agreed, just said as much on another thread. As for 7 – my pick would be Elstadt
15 May 2012, 14:19 pm
Personally, although he is a superb inside centre, I prefer Frans at fullback for numerous reasons – he has the potential for greatness at that position, possessiing in quantity an arsenal of skills – kicking, drop kicking, attacking, tackling, safest hands in the world under the high ball, uncanny positional anticipation on both defence and attack … that’s where I would put him and keep J de V at inside until we can find another top rate inside centre.
At inside centre I suppose Frans is the new one – bloody good there as well.
15 May 2012, 14:19 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-196: erm – Jan Hendrik Ellis (born 5 January 1942 in Brakpan, Gauteng, South Africa) is a South African former rugby union rugby player, who played flanker. He played 38 times for the Springboks, which at that time was a record.
Last time I checked Brakpan Gauteng was also known as TVL ? I said TVL not N-TVL by the way.
I am still waiting in the so called 6 better flanks than Kollisi in SA from you. I think I am just wasting my time.
15 May 2012, 14:20 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-208:
wel dan moet hy maar 7 speel want op 7 is die pickings maar “slim” op 7 vir bokke. ek sien al ons stmrs maatjies wil nou sommer vir elstad daar speel LOL. ons het ook nie n Danie pakslae nie. en dan is daar ook nie n 13 wat werklik vertroue inboesem nie. nee jong /HM het n moerse uitdaging.
15 May 2012, 14:20 pm
Guys have short memories here,they forget all too quickly how the Bok front row of Greyling,Straus and Kruger was owned totally by Scotland in the very recent past.
Scotland who finished stone last in the six nations.
They also forget how England shunted the Irish scrum in the last six nations game.
Nothing short of our best will do,
Currently its Beast,Bismark and i would like to see Coennie moved to that side, but Bismark has a habit of making sure its Jannie.
Drotske is going to move Coennie over he said so on Boots,good thing to.
That could be a massive front row, all very strong athletic and hungry workers
15 May 2012, 14:21 pm
@J.B. Cowper(J.B. Cowper)-212:
Fine. Now can he do something about that baby face.
15 May 2012, 14:21 pm
@vasteses(vasteses)-203: Dit lyk na n oraait span. Sou tog Met Lambie op 10 begin. F. Steyn op 15. Jean de Villier 12 en De Jongh. 13. (jammer J. Fourie is ni beskikbaar ni, mis die ou) en defenitief Mvovo op 14 in plaas van JP.. Jou oplossing vir 7 is Coetzee.
Net n vriendelike vraag…Hukm M. Steyn op 10 voor Lambie…ek verstaan ni.
15 May 2012, 14:23 pm
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-217:
Miskien is hy ‘n bul? (vasteses)
15 May 2012, 14:24 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-215: Hell yes, Kruger will never be a bok tighthead and Greyling has a way to go yet he is promising but not in the Beast/Gurthro class just yet.
15 May 2012, 14:26 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-218: Miskien…
15 May 2012, 14:27 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-207: Coenie should start but if its Kitschoff I wont be worried , We have way too much looseheads , someone has to convert ! There is also the beast !
I know Coenie is gonna play tighthead soon but I would also like the Stormers to try Kitschoff at 3 , then again we do have solid options there with Harris and Malherbe whom I also feel could potentially reach higher honours one day , then there is another 18 year old Kebble who is also a loosehead , watch this laaitie also.
Re the flank , I really really rate Keegan Daniels , excellent player and in my book underated , I would like to see him play at 6 though where I feel he belongs. As it is a loose trio of
8 – Daniels
7 – Kollisi
6 – Broussouw
That would be great but lacks serious height. Elkstad for Kollisi then and Kollisi covers for Broussouw.
Sorry no Spies. Just not good enough but maybe with Broussouw and Elkstad doing the donkey work Spies will shine again ?
15 May 2012, 14:27 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-207:
on what grounds do you select Ralepele over Strauss???
Ruan Pienaar – I take Keo argument, apply here too about European form.
15 May 2012, 14:29 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl(Brigadier Van Zyl)-184: Kolisi is one seriously big dude. Not height although he is tall enough, but on meeting him I was really surprised at how chunky he was, it’s not obvious on the field by looking at him. Watching him play absolutely.
15 May 2012, 14:29 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-221:
18 year old Kebble??? – any relation to Guy Kebble? the powerful scrum destroyer????
15 May 2012, 14:30 pm
@Sharkie10(Sharkie10)-217:
vir die eenvoudige feit dat frans moet 12 speel. lambie was goed in die WB op 15 , en steyn is nog goed genoeg op 10, as Goosen reg was was hy my keuse op die bank om later by morne oor te neem. maar die ondervinding van aldrie die spelers gaan deurslagewend wees as ons teen engeland wil wen. Ek is nie oortuig van de jong nie hy is net nie goed genoeg nie, mvovo is nie veel beter as enige van die ander vleuls wat ons het nie, ek gaan maar vir JP agv sy ondervinding.
@Dawn(Dawn)-218: ja ek is n bull maar nie n dom bull.
15 May 2012, 14:32 pm
Meyer’s Bok side possibly this:
Beast
Bissie
Jannie
Etzebeth
Bekker
Brussow
Elstadt
Spies
Hougaard
Morne
Habs
Frans Steyn
Jean De Villiers
JPP
Pat Lambie
Not my team but think that is who Meyer will select.
I would have Marcell at 8 with Pat Cilliers at th and Lambie at 10. Not sure about Elstadt at 7 either. So if Alberts is ready rather Alberts to start there.
15 May 2012, 14:33 pm
my props would be tendai and coenie/brok… either starting or on the bench… both cover both sides…. rotate to suit… these are the three best scrummagers at the moment and all are very mobile with high work and tackle rates…
but would have a serious word to coenie about discipline… he’s everyone’s favorite at the moment… but when his penalties cost the boks a game the same everyone’s will roast him…
i wouldn’t use steven against the poms… he’s not streetwise enough yet… they will target him big time… save him for the EoY…
15 May 2012, 14:34 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-221:
kolietjie is n 6 nie n 7 speel dan eerder vir KD 7
15 May 2012, 14:34 pm
@Puma(Puma)-226: Keegan is have a superb S15. Don’t rate him as captain, but as a player he is playing very well.
So the Bok loosies could also be:
Brussow
Marcell
Keegan
15 May 2012, 14:34 pm
@Puma(Puma)-229: have = having
15 May 2012, 14:35 pm
@Puma(Puma)-226:
agree. Meyer side will exactly be that side give or take couple names.
Pat Cilliers beside Bismack and beast I can see.
15 May 2012, 14:36 pm
@vasteses(vasteses)-214: Nee, ek het bedoel Sewes, soos in Sevens Rugby. Ek dink Kegan Daniel sou ‘n uitstekende Sewes speler wees, maar ek kan nie plek vir hom vind in a Bok 15-man span nie.
15 May 2012, 14:37 pm
@ufo(ufo)-227:
agree. The poms are strong if not dominent in front role. I think Dan Cole will have edge over Beast or Kitschoff or Oosthuizen
15 May 2012, 14:37 pm
@Puma(Puma)-226: Pat is just not strong enough at 3 to be a test tighthead.
15 May 2012, 14:38 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-224: The very same one’s son
@vasteses(vasteses)-228: Keegan op 8, Kolisi to cover for Brussouw. Sal Elsdtadt op 7 speel met Marcell op bank. Elstadt can cover op slot ook.
15 May 2012, 14:40 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-215: Yes that would be a awesome front row if Coenie could move over to th. What you think of Pat Cilliers? He has been superb this S15.
Beast
Bissie
Cilliers
That would also be a great front row.
15 May 2012, 14:40 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-224: His son.
15 May 2012, 14:41 pm
@Skeppie(Skeppie)-234: Well I think he has looked our best this season to be fair.
15 May 2012, 14:41 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-233:
yeah… these poms are not gonna be pushovers at scrum time… and they are always wily buggers who will use plenty of gamesmanship too…
but heyneke knows this… hence his caution and wanting to play his tried and trusted…
i believe he will make the right selections…
15 May 2012, 14:43 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-231: Yip, agree think that will be Meyer’s Boks side.
Think he will want players that have played together. Only 1 week don’t give him much time. So think that will be the team.
Cilliers has had a great season so far.
15 May 2012, 14:43 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-222: I’m not a big Strauss fan. I agree, he has a lot of heart, but for all his bluster he’s not as effective as people try to make him out. He’s not the strongest scrummager, and I think Ralepele does the basics of hooker play better. Plus he’s becoming a serious ball stealer at rucks too.
For me, Strauss and Liebenberg are in the same mold.
15 May 2012, 14:43 pm
@sparticus(sparticus)-221:
agree…. malherbe will reach higher honors too imo…
him and kitshoff long-term…
15 May 2012, 14:45 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-233: Dan Cole is overrated. If they still had Julian White and Andy Sheridan either side of a decent hooker (not this George Shuter rubbish), then I’d be worried. But the likes of Cole and Stevens don’t scare me.
15 May 2012, 14:45 pm
oliver kebble too a long-term prospect by the sounds of it…
but haven’t seen him play…
15 May 2012, 14:45 pm
I don’t even think Daniel should play for the Sharks,too light in the pants,should have been retreaded as a centre.
Plumtree’s bigest mistake making him Shark’s captain.
That should have been Bismark.
Best Sharks 6,7,8,Coetzee,Alberts.Kanko.
With Deysel coming back to form at 5 and Sykes playing at his best at 4,stage is set for Kanko to play his own game again.
He is a great player ,just been used wrong.
15 May 2012, 14:46 pm
@ufo(ufo)-242: With what we have at tighthead at the moment it would be great is Malherbe had had a bit more exposure to top flight rugby…he does look like a great prospect.
15 May 2012, 14:48 pm
Hey Dawne good news tomorrow it’s pensioner’s day at Checkers,
Half price on the dog food.
Hang in there
15 May 2012, 14:51 pm
@Puma(Puma)-226: looks like the team – think Jannie Du Plessis should stick to being a doctor
15 May 2012, 14:53 pm
@mad eye(mad eye)-247:
How would you know about pensioners day at Checkers
15 May 2012, 14:54 pm
I wonder ……
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