Meyer granted extra opportunity
24 May 2012
Heyneke Meyer will hold a fourth and final planning camp in Durban from Sunday with 42 players invited to attend.
This will be the final opportunity for Meyer to work with the players before the final Springbok squad to face England meets on 3 June.
The camp will take place on 27 and 28 May. The players will depart Durban around midday on Monday and will be back with their Super Rugby franchises for training in the afternoon.
‘We discussed this with the franchise CEOs recently and they’ve been very accommodating, as they were earlier in the season,’ said Meyer.
‘We’ve planned it in Durban, because the Stormers take on the Sharks at Kings Park the day before and will be there already. Players from the Bulls, Lions and Cheetahs will fly in on Sunday morning.
‘This is by no means a final Springbok squad and the door will be open for all our eligible players until the announcement of the squad that will take on England.
‘This camp will put in place a number of the finer details in terms of what we want to achieve against England. We will hit the ground running on 3 June, when we converge in Durban for the first Test with a final squad.’
Meyer said that they will keep in touch with the Super Rugby franchises regarding injured players, but that they weren’t considered for this camp.
Players invited to the final Springbok Planning Camp in Durban on 27 and 28 May:
Forwards (22): Coenie Oosthuizen, Tendai Mtawarira, Dean Greyling, Jannie du Plessis, Pat Cilliers, Werner Kruger, Bismarck du Plessis, Adriaan Strauss, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Flip van der Merwe, Eben Etzebeth, Andries Bekker, Juandré Kruger, Marcell Coetzee, CJ Stander, Heinrich Brüssow, Keegan Daniel, Willem Alberts, Jean Deysel, Pierre Spies, Ryan Kankowski, Josh Strauss.
Backs (20): Francois Hougaard, Jano Vermaak, Piet van Zyl, Morné Steyn, Pat Lambie, Elton Jantjies, Peter Grant, Wynand Olivier, Jean de Villiers, Juan de Jongh, JJ Engelbrecht, Bryan Habana, Bjorn Basson, JP Pietersen, Gio Aplon, Lwazi Mvovo, Akona Ndungane, Zane Kirchner, Jaco Taute, Joe Pietersen.
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24 May 2012, 09:56 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-87: Yes England will be a better place to test players. I am just saying what I think Meyer is doing as he has said that he will stick with experience for now.
I don’t agree with all his picks but I don’t think Willie Le Roux is even close to Bok quality yet. Maybe I will be proven wrong at some stage. I also don’t think Olivier deserves to be there. However this is Meyer’s first squad and while we will all agree and disagree with some picks we need to give Meyer some time here. He could be starting something special.
24 May 2012, 09:57 am
Aggg jeez Meyer wtf?
WTF
Pat Cilliers
Kankowski
Wynand Olivier
JJ Engelbreacht – I mean really
Akona Ndungane (looks like a lot of Bulls bias going on)
BORDERLINE
Keegan Daniel
Josh Strauss
Elton Jantjes
Bjorn Basson
WHERE ARE:
Kolisi
Ashley Johnson
Robert Ebersohn
YESSSS:
Etzebeth
CJ Stander
Jaco Taute
Joe Pietersen (only if he starts)
24 May 2012, 09:57 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-84: Stander and Coetzee have the Mighty Men Conference T-shirts…….Siya has yet to prove himself as a religious man. Once he steps up on that side of things, he will be included.
24 May 2012, 09:57 am
@Cheetahs27(Cheetahs27)-82:
Yeah, I hear what you are saying. I just think having another look of Willie Le Roux in a camp like that instead of reliable Akona is more valuable. Anyway, Meyer probably doesn’t rate him. I’m always confused as to what is meant by the value of experience.
24 May 2012, 09:58 am
@Horings(Horings)-88: Eldstadt gives away too many penalties to play test rugby. He has great potential, but needs to tone down his temperament somewhat, although he could teach Spies to man up.
24 May 2012, 09:59 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-98:
Yep,Kolisi and Elstadt will have something to prove in the final stages of super 15,bodes well for Strompies.
24 May 2012, 09:59 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-103: religion?
24 May 2012, 09:59 am
Players invited to the final Springbok Planning Camp in Durban on May 27-28:
Forwards (22):
Coenie Oosthuizen, Tendai Mtawarira, Dean Greyling, Jannie du Plessis, Pat Cilliers, Werner Kruger, Bismarck du Plessis, Adriaan Strauss, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Flip van der Merwe, Eben Etzebeth, Andries Bekker, Juandré Kruger, Marcell Coetzee, CJ Stander, Heinrich Brüssow, Keegan Daniel, Willem Alberts, Jean Deysel, Pierre Spies, Ryan Kankowski, Josh Strauss
Backs (20):
Francois Hougaard, Jano Vermaak, Piet van Zyl, Morné Steyn, Pat Lambie, Elton Jantjies, Peter Grant, Wynand Olivier, Jean de Villiers, Juan de Jongh, JJ Engelbrecht, Bryan Habana, Bjorn Basson, JP Pietersen, Gio Aplon, Lwazi Mvovo, Akona Ndungane, Zane Kirchner, Jaco Taute, Joe Pietersen
What the fark is keegan daniel doing here?
Unfarking believable.
24 May 2012, 10:00 am
@garth(garth)-105:
… not to mention Flip and Bissie…
24 May 2012, 10:00 am
@Horings(Horings)-88:
treu.
elstadt is the knid of vuilgat i’d have in my team anytime.
pity he hasn’t made the squad.
24 May 2012, 10:01 am
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent)-65:
Coenie Oosthuizen – No.
Tendai Mtawarira – Yes. Just back from injury. Don’t think he’s carrying weight. Scrumming like a machine!
Dean Greyling – Not convinced
Jannie du Plessis – Yes. Still has problems with discipline. Agree
Pat Cilliers – No. Huh?? I don’t mind picking outstand players from **** teams but he is not outstanding. Agree
Werner Kruger – Yes. Not better than Brok and is a bit soft. Agree
Bismarck du Plessis – Yes. Needs to get back to basics.
Adriaan Strauss – Yes but sorted out by Bissie last week.
Chiliboy Ralepelle – Yes.
Flip van der Merwe – No. No rugby brain at all
Eben Etzebeth, Andries Bekker – Yes
Juandré Kruger – No
Marcell Coetzee, CJ Stander, Keegan Daniel – Yes to all. Coetzee has been find of the year, and Daniel in sublime form. Don’t think he’s big enough for international rugby. Kolisi is good but not that good.
Heinrich Brüssow – Tackling more than scavenging these days. More penalties than steals. Still worth his weight in gold
Willem Alberts, Jean Deysel, Pierre Spies, Ryan Kankowski, Josh Strauss – happy with all.
Francois Hougaard, Yes.Jano Vermaak, Maybe. Piet van Zyl – No
Morné Steyn, Pat Lambie, Elton Jantjies, Peter Grant – Yes for all. Horses for courses, I guess. Depends on the gameplan being played.
Wynand Olivier, Hell no! Jean de Villiers, Yes. Juan de Jongh, Yes. JJ Engelbrecht – NOOOOO!!
Bryan Habana, NOOOO!! Bjorn Basson, No – defensively poor. JP Pietersen, Hell yes! Gio Aplon, Yes. Lwazi Mvovo, Yes. Akona Ndungane – Maybe
Zane Kirchner, HELL NO!! Jaco Taute, Joe Pietersen – Yes to the rest. I think that Kirchner is two-bob.
This all goes to show how we have such differing opinions, and I am glad that I am not Bok coach. I am sure that many of you feel the same…that you’re glad that I’m not coach!
24 May 2012, 10:04 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-103: ………..
24 May 2012, 10:05 am
@garth(garth)-107: I’m being sarcy because I am peed off at his exclusion. I can find NO reason as to why Stander and Coetzee ARE there, and Siya isn’t. It isn’t form or talent….so it must be something to do with Meyer’s personal choice. This personal choice of his might go a long way in explaining the inclusion of a player like JJ.
24 May 2012, 10:07 am
@NoRugbyGuru_0_(RugbyGuru_0_)-108: Keegan Daniel and Josh Strauss are there purely because they captain their franchises……
24 May 2012, 10:08 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-113: Stander and Coetzee are in phenomenal form. I also feel Kolisi should be there, but his omission doesn’t mean they should be left out too.
24 May 2012, 10:08 am
Tac,are you telling me the bulls players cannot afford to fly their families down to Dbn?
This is what they do for a living.
Don’t like it,find another job.
You are now a honorary stormers supporter cause of your hysterics.
24 May 2012, 10:08 am
@Travis_Shark(Travis_Shark)-111: Once you start comparing players and say JdJ at 12 and JDV at 13 and Olivier is worse than JDJ. Does this mean that their coaches are idiots cause they play JdV and Olivier at 12 both ( Frans at 12 ) are bigger than JdJ who plays at 13.
24 May 2012, 10:10 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-115: If Burger returns would Kolisi still play?
24 May 2012, 10:12 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-113: Maybe cause JJ can play more than 1 position
24 May 2012, 10:13 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-78:
Poor tac is googling The Matrix.
He thought it was a bittersweet tearjerker about a group of students final year at school.
Or in Garf’s case years.
24 May 2012, 10:15 am
@Travis_Shark(Travis_Shark)-111: You do realise you have rejected so many players , that if they Pick your team , we would only be able to pick 10 players that has the Travis Shark aproveal stamp on them. It could be possible to beat Souties with 10 men , but I think it will be tough.
24 May 2012, 10:15 am
Kollisi vs Keegan is a no brainer really.
Firstly – Keegen is in awesome form and is keeping 2 Bok number 8′s outa the team.
Secondly – Kollisi is a flank or rather he is playing flank at the moment so he and Keegan is not playing for the same spot. Its between Kollisi , Brussow and Marcell , Brussow picks himself evens half fit and Meyer reckons at this stage Marcel is better than Kollisi. I disagree but hey I never coached at Bok level or won several Super rugby trophies. Besides Kollisi is still young , I reckon he will along with the likes of CJ Stander , Carr and Marcell be part of the Bok squad for many years.
I have no problem with this squad and in any case Meyer said that this is not final. Maybe he just want to double check with some players and in some like Kollisi he already knows the capabilities and made up his mind. Heck in Meyer’s mind Kollisi could be his first choice and he is looking for a backup.
Relax guys
24 May 2012, 10:15 am
Travis_Shark #111 – According to your post who on earth would you choose? You have said Nooooooo to most of SA’s top players!!
I see F Steyn is not there but i think he is an automatic shue in!!
24 May 2012, 10:18 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-120:
24 May 2012, 10:18 am
Great to see Keegan the Lionheart in the Mix…
SA’s own Jean Pierre Rives.
Boks are most successful with a Soutie Shark Captain at the helm.
Maybe Keegan could be a surprise choice for Captain….
It makes sense…
Like the fact that the Wrecking Ball Coetzee is there too… Looks like Meyer sees the same things as Honest, Knowledgeable Rugby supporters…
Good one Heyneke… Like your thinking Coach.
24 May 2012, 10:23 am
Isnt it nice for a coach to have Universal Respect from all Saffa Rugby fans…
Meyer seems to have that ability, as Nick Mallet has pointed out, of being a good selector first…
No fear or favour, he even has a couple of Breezing blonde bombshells in the backs….
Not sure about Donkey, and I am on my knees everyday that Meyer doesn’t buy into any Stormer propaganda and make this chap Captain, but little Joe Pietersen deserves his opportunity 100%.
24 May 2012, 10:24 am
@race of tan(race of tan)-123: Steyn is in France still is he not ?
@ Heavens Game – U almost make me wanna change my mind. Poor shark fans have to live with guys like you lol , ahh well the Bulls fans have Tact. Pity we lost G10
24 May 2012, 10:24 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-90: kinda, but it’s not the same. Coetzee was fly-swotted. A “don’t agrue” as Ozzies\Kiwis would say. Or vokkof\voetsek as we would say.
24 May 2012, 10:25 am
@capebull(capebull)-118: If I were the coach, yes.
24 May 2012, 10:25 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-125: Yup that’s why we won the last WC with JS as Cappie
24 May 2012, 10:26 am
@garth(garth)-105: does elstadt give away more penalties than most blindsides in this country, is he topping the penalties conceded column?
24 May 2012, 10:27 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-115: Exactly the point I was making. He has 3 – he selects 2. So it must be down to his personal choice. I’m just curious as to what inspired his choice. Can’t be form, work rate etc – so it’s something else. I’m just walking down the ‘religion’ road, because it’s one of Meyers ‘things’.
24 May 2012, 10:27 am
42 players.
Does the ruling of no more than 3 overseas-based players in the Springbok side still exist?
If so, then I reckon Meyer is expecting Francois Steyn, Fourie Du Preez and one of either Ruan Pienaar, Danie Rossouw or Gurthro Steenkamp to join the extended squad and make it 45.
The likes of Elstadt, Kolisi and Sadie will get their chance – along with Goosen, Kitshoff et al.
Well done to Peter Grant who has earned his place in this group.
Also pleased that Meyer is leaning towards youth by not picking CJ Van Der Linde as a stop-gap cover for both prop positions.
CJ has experience, for sure, but has struggled for form for a good few years now.
Plus, from what I can tell, CJ’s been playing a lot more at 1 than at 3 lately (when fit, which is rarely).
24 May 2012, 10:27 am
@the artist formerly known as gunther(gunther)-120:
He thought the Matrix Trilogy was made up of:
Matrix: The Exam
Matrix: The Farewell
Matrix: The Holiday
24 May 2012, 10:28 am
Lots of wings in the mix – I count six. And only 4 centres with not the most solid claim to fame ever other than as solid back up… Definitely makes room for the return of King Fransie Steyn… and could it be… YES… could it be that JPP is there as an outside centre???
Hellyeah, Meyer, I like your thinking… Sneaky and devious.
24 May 2012, 10:29 am
@capebull(capebull)-118: if stegmann was fit would stander be even playing?
24 May 2012, 10:30 am
No Kolisi?
24 May 2012, 10:30 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-130: No we didnt… We did win the one before though… We also had the longest winning streak in Bok history – a world record equalling 17(?) with Teich…. Kumbula?
24 May 2012, 10:32 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-135: If he was then he would of been named after JJ Engelbrecht perhaps.
24 May 2012, 10:32 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-134:
24 May 2012, 10:33 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-138: And Mallet , Solly and meyer as the coaching staff who at that time came straight from the Stormers. You point is ? Let me not start with the amount of WP players that played during that time , I seem to recall the guys up north calling it a Cape Cabal ? Weird as Meyer while coaching at SWD and the Stormers at the time was actually from the Bulls.
24 May 2012, 10:33 am
Meyer following his broederbond orders here.
Just Tennis warned us about this.
24 May 2012, 10:34 am
Am a little bit concerned about why WP Nel is not there… Must be true the rumours that he is keen on wearing a Kilt and sending Poms homeward ta drink again… Because he certainly is one of the best tightheads in Super rugby this year.
24 May 2012, 10:35 am
Jean Deysel over Kolisi? Seriously? Jean Deysel havent even played much this.
Still a very good squad though.
24 May 2012, 10:35 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-143: He’s fat. Matt Dunning fat.
24 May 2012, 10:36 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-141: I made my point… Go back and read if you struggle a bit with SoutieTaal… I said, and I quote “Boks are most successful with a Soutie Shark Captain at the helm”… Is that so farken hard to understand?
24 May 2012, 10:37 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-145: Lol
24 May 2012, 10:37 am
The only forward that does not deserve to be in that group is Flip vd Merwe. He is useless!
I would have brought in Ruan Botha into the group.
24 May 2012, 10:39 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-145: You must be happy with the fact that your discovery Taute is there…
I also like the way Meyer has included some good Rooibontes such as Strauss, Cilliers and Jantjies too.
24 May 2012, 10:40 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-136: @Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-125: The K-Dog (or whatever it is it calls itself on that cheezy Sharkbite show) will be booted before Carte Blanche starts on Sunday evening. Captaining the Boks in his dreams will be as close as he (and you) get to this.
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