Meyer granted extra opportunity
24 May 2012
Heyneke Meyer will hold a fourth and final planning camp in Durban from Sunday with 42 players invited to attend.
This will be the final opportunity for Meyer to work with the players before the final Springbok squad to face England meets on 3 June.
The camp will take place on 27 and 28 May. The players will depart Durban around midday on Monday and will be back with their Super Rugby franchises for training in the afternoon.
‘We discussed this with the franchise CEOs recently and they’ve been very accommodating, as they were earlier in the season,’ said Meyer.
‘We’ve planned it in Durban, because the Stormers take on the Sharks at Kings Park the day before and will be there already. Players from the Bulls, Lions and Cheetahs will fly in on Sunday morning.
‘This is by no means a final Springbok squad and the door will be open for all our eligible players until the announcement of the squad that will take on England.
‘This camp will put in place a number of the finer details in terms of what we want to achieve against England. We will hit the ground running on 3 June, when we converge in Durban for the first Test with a final squad.’
Meyer said that they will keep in touch with the Super Rugby franchises regarding injured players, but that they weren’t considered for this camp.
Players invited to the final Springbok Planning Camp in Durban on 27 and 28 May:
Forwards (22): Coenie Oosthuizen, Tendai Mtawarira, Dean Greyling, Jannie du Plessis, Pat Cilliers, Werner Kruger, Bismarck du Plessis, Adriaan Strauss, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Flip van der Merwe, Eben Etzebeth, Andries Bekker, Juandré Kruger, Marcell Coetzee, CJ Stander, Heinrich Brüssow, Keegan Daniel, Willem Alberts, Jean Deysel, Pierre Spies, Ryan Kankowski, Josh Strauss.
Backs (20): Francois Hougaard, Jano Vermaak, Piet van Zyl, Morné Steyn, Pat Lambie, Elton Jantjies, Peter Grant, Wynand Olivier, Jean de Villiers, Juan de Jongh, JJ Engelbrecht, Bryan Habana, Bjorn Basson, JP Pietersen, Gio Aplon, Lwazi Mvovo, Akona Ndungane, Zane Kirchner, Jaco Taute, Joe Pietersen.
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24 May 2012, 11:56 am
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-182: yes but that is all slaptjips’ work not loubscher. only olivier – if at all – has ever been in the bulls structures and might’ve been coached by loubscher.
24 May 2012, 11:56 am
@Superbru(Superbru)-198: Thats before we had all therse nice stats, and they don’t lie , both games were at Newlands with what was, it 50 points , o no, it was 3 hardly a run away victory , a nother ref, a nother call who knows
24 May 2012, 11:57 am
@capebull(capebull)-199:
And that’s got them the top of the log,now where would you rather be?
24 May 2012, 11:58 am
@Superbru(Superbru)-200: Wrong Chiefs, actually number 4 in attacks
24 May 2012, 11:59 am
@capebull(capebull)-202: Stats mean nothin’ if you losing,it’s winning that counts,just ask Naas.
24 May 2012, 12:00 pm
@Superbru(Superbru)-203: They got there cause the Bulls lost a game , not cause Strompies played so well the last week, what is difference ,
2 log points
24 May 2012, 12:01 pm
The U20 champs is the same time as the England series and I think Goosen and Kitshoff would rather have been selected for the U20s from the start.
Kolisi I think is unlucky but I would like to hear what Meyer’s thoughts are on the selection. I bet it is not a Jake – Watson scenario and I also bet there is a good reason for his exclusion.
The only Stormers player that may feel very unlucky is Elstadt as he is perfect for test match rugby. If he becomes more prominent as a lineout jumper he will be considered. He is the sort of player Jake would have picked ahead of Daniel and Kanko.
Bulls players that are lucky are Kirchner, Ndungane, Vermaak and JJ.
24 May 2012, 12:03 pm
@capebull(capebull)-206: I don’t have to ask Naas,
I know what stats tell us , one thing they do is, to expose someone that just says aaa Bulls can’t tackle ,or aaa Bulls play boring Rugby the can not score tries. Aaa the Strompies backs are best they should all be in Bok team cause they score tries.
24 May 2012, 12:05 pm
@Horings(Horings)-207: Liebenberg will be in the Aus/NZ 22 and Brok is one of the reasons the Stormers do not score tries. Malherbe could have been given a surprise call up. It is a pity van Staden did not stay at the Sharks. The squad shows our lack of tightheads, centres, scrumhalves and fullbacks.
24 May 2012, 12:07 pm
@capebull(capebull)-208:
I would be very concerned if the bok coach picks stormers backs as boks backs,fact is,they don’t score tries.But in saying that,a bulls backline does not give me much confidence either.
24 May 2012, 12:07 pm
@capebull(capebull)-199: Kurtley Beale showed just how ‘insignificant’ the Bulls (as a team) die-fence is when he hopped through them at will(injured and on one leg). It’s about ‘balance’ sailor.
24 May 2012, 12:08 pm
@Horings(Horings)-207: Do you think Elstadt is fast enough
24 May 2012, 12:09 pm
question: who hasn’t being invited to these silly feel good camps??
question: England bring 42 players for 5 games. Ireland bring 29 players for 3 games??
24 May 2012, 12:09 pm
@Superbru(Superbru)-210: So should we pick the Sharkie backs or Lions ?
24 May 2012, 12:11 pm
@capebull(capebull)-214: Just hoping the coach will come up with a good combination,Basson will score many tries for boks but not very good defensively.
24 May 2012, 12:13 pm
why has someone of Luke Watson experience not being invited??
24 May 2012, 12:16 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-216:
24 May 2012, 12:16 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food(The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food)-211: So true, so where does it leave us , defence or attack. We will only know who has the balance once the season is, over for now I prefure 3.36 tries agains 2.18( 1.18+ ) in stead of 1.7272 tries against 1 ( 0.7272+ )
What this tells us, is that 1 team rely more on kicks to win them games than the other. aaaa its not the Bulls
24 May 2012, 12:18 pm
@Superbru(Superbru)-215: On what do you base that , have you got stats to prove that, my feeling is that the Bulls slipped most tries between 12 and 13 not 11
24 May 2012, 12:19 pm
@capebull(capebull)-206: 10 wins out of 11 vs 8 wins out of 11. Stormers deserve top spot. The Stormers will lengthen the gap this weekend with the Bulls losing and the Sharks handing the Stormers 5 points by playing Freddie and Bosman together.
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-216: Do you work for Keo?
24 May 2012, 12:21 pm
@Superbru(Superbru)-194:
to say the bulls only kick and chase is a generalisation.
they play as is tactically appropriate.
so i expect hm to carry this over to the boks.
when its on to run it, the bulls certainly do.
so to answer your question, i think the boks will mix it up as needed.
24 May 2012, 12:21 pm
@capebull(capebull)-218:
Not now maybe,but history shows us that the bulls have always relied heavily upon their kicker,and countless games being won on a kick or 2.
24 May 2012, 12:23 pm
@capebull(capebull)-212: Yes he can do a job similar to Danie Rossouw. Good to have such versatility in a squad.
24 May 2012, 12:24 pm
@capebull(capebull)-219: I guess I just have this image in my mind of Basson throwing his arms out hopelessly as a try is scored against him,no stats I’m afraid.
24 May 2012, 12:24 pm
We are down on experience so logical to think Why not Luke Watson???
@Sasuke(Sasuke)-220:
24 May 2012, 12:26 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-201:
yes, but my point is that the bulls systems and structures works from top down or bottom up, whichever way you prefer to view it and that anything slaptjips is doing well, it goes without saying, is tuaght further down the system. as well that those skills which make it possible for slaptjips is ‘already’ being imlemented in the junior / feeder systems…..
its a holistic evolution…chicken or the egg… whichever came first does not matter…
what matters is that rl is a systems and structures man.
24 May 2012, 12:26 pm
15. Lambie / Taute
14. Aplon
13. Jean (Temp cpt)
12. F Steyn
11. JP / Hougaard
10. M Steyn / Lambie
9. Hougaard / Fourie
8. Johnson
7. Alberts
6. Brussow / Kolisi / Coetzee
5. Bekker
4. Eben
3. Nel / Jannie
2. Bismark / Chili / Strauss (Tough choice)
1. Beast
24 May 2012, 12:26 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-176:
Neither do I but that won’t stop the Ab’s from scoring classy backline tries, too much talent outwide for that, fortunately Fozzy won’t be able to coach that out of them.
24 May 2012, 12:27 pm
Where is Johan Sadie???
shock omission
24 May 2012, 12:29 pm
@Bok fan(Bok fan)-227:
agree. WP Nel deserves a chance. Our most dominant TH in S15. Very sure now Jean will be captain but would not suprise if Meyer picks a young Warbourton like captain??
24 May 2012, 12:30 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-225:
Luke not team player,would cause great upheaval in team.
24 May 2012, 12:31 pm
Hi everybody
Been on this site as an observer for quite some time now but this is my first attempt at offering my opinion. 10 Players( 5 backs/5 forwards) have to be omitted from this group,
maybe more if the overseas based players are included. Frans Steyn and Fourie Du Preez ( if available) will be included.I dont think Pienaar is good enough and Steenkamp has been injured. Based on my thinking 12 players (7 backs/ 5forwards)will then fall by the wayside. To me it will be:
01. Greyling
02. Cilliers
03. Kanko
04. Deysel
05. Coetzee
06. Vermaak
07. Jantjies
08 Grant??
09. JJ
10. Akona
11. Basson
12. Taute
24 May 2012, 12:31 pm
@Robzim(Robzim)-197:
@Superbru(Superbru)-198:
fair enough.
i will bite my tongue and wait to see where the conference stage plays out.
its a simple question which will have a simple answer: does defense oriented rugby trump defense / attack oriented rugby or vice versa..?… and the answer to that will be whichever team tops the sa conference log…
24 May 2012, 12:32 pm
@capebull(capebull)-218: You should be thanking the Stormers…..If we allowed teams to score at will against us (thereby giving them the additional bonus point for 4 tries) you chaps might have been feeling the pressure a little more than what you are currently. In fact – would you be happy if the Stormers gifted the Sharks a 5 pointer on Saturday? (and you went down to the Chiefs) – So congrats on your teams try per match average – but it isn’t the whole story now is it?
24 May 2012, 12:32 pm
@Bok fan(Bok fan)-227:
Surely Spies will play 8, thats what we’re hoping for.
24 May 2012, 12:32 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-229: He has had his talent coached out of him,does not even make bulls starting line up mostly.
24 May 2012, 12:35 pm
@kimberleystormer(kimberleystormer)-232:
Welcome,and you make a good point,altho Meyer likely to hold on to Basson to play Bulls rugby with kick ‘n chase.
24 May 2012, 12:36 pm
@Superbru(Superbru)-222:
Yes. NTvl rugby history will show dominance by a gifted 10. This gameplan hasnt changed much over the years.
Morne Steyn
Jaco van der Westhuyzen (odd one out – actually a running 10)
Derrick Hougaard
Braam van Straatem
Louis Koen
Lance Sherrell
Naas Botha
Hansie Brewis
24 May 2012, 12:36 pm
1-3 Beast, Bissie, Jannie
4-5 Etzebeth, Bekker
6-8 Brussouw, Strauss, Spies
9-10 Hougie, Steyn
12-13 F Steyn, Jean (c)
11&14 Habana, JPP
15 Joe Pietersen
Res: Coenie, Chilli, Juandre, Alberts, Ruan, Lambie, Aplon
Best we have right now. Pietersen at 15 is a personal choice over Lambie – playing there at present and more kicking metres than Lambie.
24 May 2012, 12:36 pm
Why are there no Kings players, surely there are players good enough for the Bokke. I am sure they made the Vodacom cup quarters.
Cheeky must demand they they be represented immediately, this is not fair.
24 May 2012, 12:36 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-225: Yes you may be right but what type of form and physical shape is he in?
24 May 2012, 12:38 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-233: Well last year it was the Stormers defensive game that won out,hoping for the double this year.Strompies need to make that conference trophy their own.
24 May 2012, 12:39 pm
@Wanderer(Wanderer)-240: Viva Cheeky Viva
24 May 2012, 12:39 pm
@greatest13gerber(greatest13gerber)-238:
Who on that listed is/was gifted, genuine question would be interested to know.
24 May 2012, 12:40 pm
@kimberleystormer(kimberleystormer)-232:
WP supporter in Kimberley?????????????????????????????
YOU are very brave my friend!! first I ever heard such a thing!!
I think you maybe spot on there. I think Deysel and Coetzee will make the cut.
24 May 2012, 12:40 pm
@houston, we have a problem…(i_love_u_bakkiesbotha)-226: is that why meyer jettisooned all of the backline players that came through the system – manned by loubscher? jinka, brummer, watermeyer, dippenaar, boshoff to name a few, nearly a whole backline? rate loubscher if you want to but don’t assume pedigree is contagious
24 May 2012, 12:41 pm
@Mongril(Mongril)-239:
Pack should hold their own,I have reservations regarding backline players.
24 May 2012, 12:41 pm
@greentea(greentea)-235: No thank you, I like the guy off the field but no one has been given as much of a chance to prove themself in the Bok jersey as him.
Hes def improved this year but I would rather look at other options. Ashley Johnson is very underated IMO and has made an impact everytime he gets on the park.
24 May 2012, 12:41 pm
@greentea(greentea)-244:
All of them in their time were gifted placekickers and game generals
Naas is the Greatest 10 we have produced.
24 May 2012, 12:41 pm
@greentea(greentea)-235: I take it you are not a Bok fan? Most Bok fans – excluding the Bulls ones – are hoping like hell Spies does the honorable thing and announces his move to 7′s before the international season even kicks off. I pray for that – daily. But it seems we are going to be stuck with him. He is like a piece of bubblegum stuck in ones hair – impossible to get rid of.
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